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Speaker 2: to be getting with something completely off of the realm.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into NBA, college basketball, fall off from the

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Speaker 2: NFL and everything else.

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Speaker 3: But the.

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Speaker 2: Ever since football all season ended, and I know my

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Speaker 2: fellows can understand this, I get into a deep, dark

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Speaker 2: depression because I think they're in the same thing too.

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Speaker 2: It's this dead period because of the basketball season, hockey season,

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Speaker 2: before baseball, you know, before the playoffs kind of arc.

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Speaker 3: You know, they rushed to the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: But I saw this piece about the college football EA

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Speaker 2: Sports and it's just I was just freaked out by

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Speaker 2: love it. The new college football from EA Sports is

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Speaker 2: coming out, and I can't.

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Speaker 3: Wait for it.

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Speaker 2: I'm like so excited and I feel like a complete

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Speaker 2: fool as a grown man being can't wait until college

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Speaker 2: football twenty five.

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Speaker 3: It looks outrageous.

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Speaker 2: It's just completely incredible, and I kind of want to

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Speaker 2: get into this with you guys today because I also

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Speaker 2: heard a baseball thing.

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Speaker 3: Like the video game that world.

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Speaker 2: The sports video game world is it's just gets better

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Speaker 2: and better and better. And this college football EA Sports

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Speaker 2: reboot is gonna be amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good morning, Good.

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Speaker 4: Morning morning, my friend. You were speaking my language. I'll

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Speaker 4: be honest, Like you know, I had everybody I've ever

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Speaker 4: met trying to reach out to EA for three years

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Speaker 4: to try and get me in that dang game. Didn't happen.

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Speaker 4: But I am that excited about what they're building there

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Speaker 4: because you know, realistically, you've got everybody licensed. It looks

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Speaker 4: like kids are gonna have the option on whether or

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Speaker 4: not they want to be in it or not. If

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Speaker 4: they choose to be in it, they get six hundred

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Speaker 4: bucks in a free game. But to me, this is

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Speaker 4: that moment where we get back to what I thought

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Speaker 4: was the most fun video game for sports through this

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Speaker 4: whole process, Like, because you know what we're all gonna do,

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Speaker 4: Like somebody's gonna like I'm gonna sit there and take

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Speaker 4: a program like UNLV and suddenly I'm gonna try and

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Speaker 4: turn You'll be into a year in, year out juggernaut, right,

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Speaker 4: Like this is the ultimate somewhere combination between living in

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Speaker 4: the now, being able to use the players that you're watching,

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Speaker 4: but then also feeling like you're in some virtual reality

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Speaker 4: SIMS world where you're trying to build your favorite team

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Speaker 4: into this absolute epic contender. So like, that's the joy

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Speaker 4: of these games is that there's so many different players

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Speaker 4: and you know, I only hope this leads to the

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Speaker 4: return of college basketball. I hope this leads to legendary

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Speaker 4: teams being in the game. Like there's there's so much

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Speaker 4: I'm beyond excited for it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, dude, oh my god, some of the things.

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Speaker 2: My one of my favorite video games ever was the

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Speaker 2: College Football Game. And this goes back god into the nineties,

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Speaker 3: Figgi, you gotta be fired off for.

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Speaker 1: When I was a big time gamer, one of my

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Speaker 5: It just always offered something different.

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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, the controller would shake and the screen

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Speaker 3: He in fact, we were got to be seventeen.

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Speaker 3: It was like that was just out right. It was

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's a part of it was you're

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Speaker 4: You were able to run things like the option that

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Speaker 4: Where things got fun for me with NCAA years ago

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Speaker 4: I make Vandy SEC champions year? Didn't hear out right?

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Speaker 4: Like that's a level of challenge that I just don't think.

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Speaker 4: I don't think there's a massive as nearly as huge

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Speaker 4: So I always love the challenge that the game presented

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Speaker 2: Man, that's gonna be incredible with I agree, that is

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Speaker 3: You know, it was like that stuff is just a blast. Man.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it was. And he had a

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Speaker 2: I and I even like this, but it was nothing.

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Speaker 2: It didn't compare to the college to college football. But

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Speaker 2: they had college basketball.

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Speaker 4: Figure that college remember that god, college basketball game was amazing.

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Speaker 3: One like the U c l A. I lost it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Ed O'Bannon you could play with. When we started

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Speaker 5: What am I getting out of this?

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Speaker 1: It makes no sense.

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Speaker 4: That's why I I A. I think it's easier to

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Speaker 4: Like for me, there's nostalgia combined with the fact that

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Speaker 3: Dude, that will be incredible. Now I got it.

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Speaker 2: I have a you know, ten year old who he's

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Speaker 2: like that. You're right, it is. It's awesome that you're

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Speaker 2: I was with a guy yesterday of a guy who

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Speaker 2: I mean, this thing sounds outrageous. So there is a

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Speaker 3: Bat, I have not, No, this thing is unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: So it spits out everything, like so if you have

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Speaker 4: the world we're in now, we're between social media and

436
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Speaker 4: great writers and great podcasts and you know, Sunday Ticket

437
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 4: or whatever your your favorite sports vehicle is, you can

438
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Speaker 4: be a literally a fan of any team anywhere, anytime

439
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Speaker 4: in the world. That's a much different world than I

440
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Speaker 4: grew up in, and so I never thought of it

441
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Speaker 4: till you just mentioned how difficult that is, But yeah,

442
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Speaker 4: that was That's ingrained in part of who I am in.

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Speaker 1: Sports, and in a similar but somewhat different vein for

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Speaker 1: me as someone that grew up in a you know,

445
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Speaker 1: lower middle class situation. I didn't grow up with cable television.

446
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Speaker 1: So you're talking about you or if you wanted. If

447
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to see Michael Jordan play, the only time

448
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: I could do it was when he the Bulls happened

449
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Speaker 1: to be playing the NBA on NBC against Elims of

450
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Speaker 1: morning in Miami heat. Yes, that was appointment viewing. I

451
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Speaker 1: was like, nope, I'm not going anywhere. I got to

452
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Speaker 1: be home by twelve thirty Pacific time to make sure

453
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Speaker 1: I catch tip off, to make sure I don't miss

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Speaker 1: because I'm not going to be able to see MJ

455
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Speaker 1: for another three weeks or a month before he's back

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Speaker 1: on again. So it was that situation for me where

457
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Speaker 1: I just didn't have and even then, you didn't have

458
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Speaker 1: the volume of games on Even if you did have

459
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Speaker 1: cable TV, you didn't have the same volume of games.

460
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Speaker 1: The Sunday ticket or you know, the NBA League pass

461
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Speaker 1: MLB at that just those weren't things back in the day.

462
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Speaker 1: You saw what was available to you, and it was

463
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Speaker 1: very scarce back then. It was just a different vibe

464
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Speaker 1: at that point in time for all of us. So

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Speaker 1: that that's kind of where it hit for me.

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Speaker 4: Well think about it too when you talk, because I'm

467
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Speaker 4: just like you, man, I didn't have cable growing up,

468
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Speaker 4: so it became really it made certainly. I remember going

469
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Speaker 4: to the store and I would just look while my

470
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Speaker 4: mom was shopping, look at the TV guy to figure

471
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Speaker 4: out because the TV guy was the only way I

472
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Speaker 4: knew which games we were getting Sunday. It's just that

473
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Speaker 4: was it right, So you'd have to look and see.

474
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Speaker 4: But the funny thing is the impact that that has had,

475
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Speaker 4: particularly in college football, because in the eighties and nineties,

476
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Speaker 4: I mean, you could be great, you could be Nebraska,

477
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Speaker 4: and because you were really good in the moment, you

478
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Speaker 4: were on TV every single week, and because you were

479
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Speaker 4: on TV every single week, you became a brand everybody

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Speaker 4: became a fan of. Now, I think one of the

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Speaker 4: biggest differences that college football has seen, and part of

482
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Speaker 4: the reason I believe this where this whole conversation started,

483
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Speaker 4: the college football video game. The reason I think it's

484
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Speaker 4: going to be huge is because every game is televised somewhere.

485
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Speaker 4: Like even if you're a Middle Tennessee State fan, you

486
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Speaker 4: can find your team's games on TV. So it allows

487
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Speaker 4: more teams, more programs than ever to be seen and

488
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Speaker 4: to have fans everywhere, which makes these sorts of games

489
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Speaker 4: and moments cooler than ever I think it used to

490
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Speaker 4: be that if you loved college football but you didn't

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Speaker 4: live in a college football town, there were really only

492
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Speaker 4: three or four teams you could root for because they

493
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Speaker 4: were the only ones ever on TV. I think it's

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Speaker 4: a huge change for the new generation and how they

495
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Speaker 4: watched sports incredible.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if you guys remember, there

497
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Speaker 2: used to be a Notre Dame show. It was like

498
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Speaker 2: just Notre Dame football, and it was like on early

499
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Speaker 2: Sunday mornings, and like half of the East Coast was

500
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Speaker 2: and Notre Dame fans and obviously the big Irish community

501
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Speaker 2: they played into that.

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Speaker 3: But like that's why they called.

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Speaker 2: It the Subway Alumni in New York and Philly and

504
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Speaker 2: Boston like that. People loved Notre Dame, but there was

505
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Speaker 2: a show on. You could always watch Notre Dame football

506
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Speaker 2: and there was a show on. And you're right, those

507
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Speaker 2: big brands because they were on television. Especially because college

508
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Speaker 2: you had all kinds of like fan made you. You

509
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: built an amazing fan base, and now those barriers are

510
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Speaker 2: are over.

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Speaker 3: You're done.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Notre Dame when they did their exclusive

513
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Speaker 4: TV deal that was like nothing we'd ever seen, right, right,

514
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Speaker 4: and then it guaranteed every Notre Dame home Dawn game

515
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Speaker 4: was going to be on TV, and that at the

516
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Speaker 4: time felt like such an advantage for them in recruiting

517
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Speaker 4: because it was, oh my god, they're going to be

518
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Speaker 4: on TV more than anybody else. We had no idea

519
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Speaker 4: in the moment that it was going to turn out

520
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Speaker 4: being that that's the case for absolutely everybody across the board, right,

521
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Speaker 4: Like it's such a different way. But there's generations of

522
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Speaker 4: fans that are you know, just kicked in, They're baked

523
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Speaker 4: into the Notre Dame fandom process because in the early nineties,

524
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Speaker 4: in the eighties, they were on TV every single weekend,

525
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Speaker 4: So why do you want to be And I didn't

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Speaker 4: really understand that until I moved out of Vegas, because

527
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Speaker 4: in Vegas, being an LA TV market, I had no

528
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Speaker 4: problem watching Lakers games and watching Raiders games. They were

529
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Speaker 4: on TV all the time, right. I didn't understand why

530
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Speaker 4: that was a big deal until I moved to the

531
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Speaker 4: East Coast, and then it was like, oh god, you know,

532
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Speaker 4: you'd get to see two or three games a year max.

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Speaker 2: So it was these places looked like these it was

534
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Speaker 2: almost like these.

535
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Speaker 3: Foreign right lands.

536
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Speaker 2: Like La like when it was you know, even like

537
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Speaker 2: the Forum and then it becomes a Staples Center, but

538
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Speaker 2: like it was like Dodger Stadium. Dude, the first time

539
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Speaker 2: I was ever at Dodger Stadium, I swear to God,

540
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Speaker 2: I must have. I got there very I was excited

541
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Speaker 2: to cover the game. I was covering a Mets Dodgers game.

542
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Speaker 2: I get there.

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Speaker 3: It was like innocuous or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I get there early, and I just walk around Chavez

545
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Speaker 2: Ravine and I was drinking the whole thing in like

546
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Speaker 2: I was, you know, at the in Paris for the

547
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Speaker 2: first time.

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Speaker 4: It's funny you say that, though, because I mean I was. Again,

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Speaker 4: I'll use my childhood here, Like I was an eighties

550
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Speaker 4: wrestling fan, right, and when Saturday Night's main event would

551
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Speaker 4: pre empt Saturday Night Live, I got to stay up late.

552
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Speaker 4: So once every few months you get to stay up

553
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Speaker 4: late and you get to watch these things and they're

554
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Speaker 4: happened at like dimly lit Madison Square Garden and you

555
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Speaker 4: look at that and you're like, God, this looks like

556
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Speaker 4: some sort of a place that I've never seen before,

557
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 4: Like why is it? Why is the lightning so different?

558
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Speaker 4: And why is the crowd sit the way they sit

559
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 4: and like all of these things that now we take

560
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Speaker 4: for granted because you could see this over and over

561
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Speaker 4: and over again. But as a kid, you know, I'm

562
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Speaker 4: staying up late to watch Hulk Hogan in Madison Square Garden,

563
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Speaker 4: Like that just hit different, Like it absolutely made the

564
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 4: viewing experience was so special. Like it's funny we live

565
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Speaker 4: now in a society where the minute something's on TV,

566
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Speaker 4: you've got your phone in your hand. You're back and

567
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Speaker 4: forth to your phone. Like, I just think that that

568
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 4: never happened to the same, not just because phones weren't

569
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Speaker 4: existing like that, but also just the fact that it

570
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Speaker 4: was so rare to get to see these things. You

571
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Speaker 4: were sort of glued to it, like it's just it

572
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Speaker 4: meant something.

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Speaker 1: You just wonder if the appreciation for that is lost

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Speaker 1: because everything is so ubiquitous now. You mentioned you can

575
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Speaker 1: see every game anytime that you want. Everybody's on their phones,

576
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: you can see every highlight, you can see every venue.

577
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: Now being there in person, obviously nothing will beat that.

578
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Speaker 1: It's one thing to watch every single Michigan game on TV,

579
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Speaker 1: but to actually go to the Big House and experience

580
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Speaker 1: that is a completely different phenomenon. But I do wonder

581
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Speaker 1: all of the wonder that we were just talking about

582
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Speaker 1: for the last five six minutes, if any of that

583
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Speaker 1: is lost because the novelty is no longer there because

584
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Speaker 1: you see them so often, I do wonder how that

585
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Speaker 1: might affect the upcoming generation.

586
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really interesting point, and it's what I

587
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: brought up to start the segment, which is scarcity, right,

588
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: like when you're working, there is something to human beings

589
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Speaker 2: about working for something. I just saw, Well, there's a

590
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: great podcast called Diary of CEO and uh in fact,

591
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: he's out of the UK and it's I love the podcast.

592
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: My wife watches it all the time.

593
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Speaker 2: So I was watching it and they were talking about

594
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Speaker 2: a study that was that was out there where it

595
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Speaker 2: was a boring like some boring news new seminar. It

596
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Speaker 2: was a seminar about, you know, something that was just boring.

597
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Speaker 2: But they had two groups of people. The one group

598
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Speaker 2: they just gave them the information and afterwards things or

599
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Speaker 2: what do you think of a symposium and people said

600
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Speaker 2: it was boring. The second group they made them work

601
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Speaker 2: for it and then pay for it and then afterwards

602
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Speaker 2: they're like, oh my god, it was so invaluable and

603
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Speaker 2: it was like, and it's amazing to us that when

604
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Speaker 2: you just give something away it's people just treat it

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Speaker 2: like that.

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Speaker 10: And I go back to newspapers, right, Like, you know,

607
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Speaker 10: maybe if they made people work for it and not

608
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Speaker 10: just give it away online, the newspaper thing would still

609
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Speaker 10: be around to some extent.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how do you make people pay for something that

611
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Speaker 4: they've now become accustomed to getting for free? This is

612
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Speaker 4: the music one on one too, Like, that's an interesting

613
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Speaker 4: that's an interesting debate. I think when you look at

614
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Speaker 4: all of this and you think about what it means,

615
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Speaker 4: it means at leaves have to be more creative than ever. Right.

616
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Speaker 4: One thing that I'm not a big NASCAR guy, never

617
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Speaker 4: pretended to be. But one thing I know is really

618
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Speaker 4: cool about NASCAR is that you can listen in to

619
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Speaker 4: some of the conversations, right, Like, you've got to find

620
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Speaker 4: when you're.

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Speaker 3: At the track.

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Speaker 4: You've got to find ways to make fans become super fans,

623
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Speaker 4: which today requires creative outside the box thinking. If everybody

624
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 4: has access to everything, how do you make what you

625
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Speaker 4: have cooler?

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Speaker 6: Right?

627
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Speaker 4: And that's that's what I think. You know, something like

628
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 4: the college football video game helps accomplished, but That's something

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Speaker 4: that I think every sport's gonna have to continue to

630
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 4: ask themselves, because what is your dramatic storyline? Like it

631
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Speaker 4: or not? Like you know, as we've all talked about before,

632
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 4: we are as a as a sports society, the minute

633
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 4: football season's over, what was the first topic on most

634
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 4: debate shows the day after the football season was over?

635
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Speaker 4: If it was about the NBA, it was something that

636
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 4: tied in Lebron or Michael Jordan. That's all anybody ever

637
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 4: talks about. So how are you growing your sport with

638
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 4: new people? Trying to get people like really fired up

639
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 4: about everything. I think that takes creative outside the box thinking.

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Speaker 2: I have to be honest with you, like I got

641
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: into the figuring and I've had the debate you know

642
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Speaker 2: about Jordan and Lebron, and you know what, it's just

643
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: so incredibly pointless, it really is.

644
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Speaker 4: It's a grown up plan and my dad can beat

645
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 4: up your dad. Nobody can prove any of it right,

646
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Speaker 4: like exactly, and there's no end to it.

647
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Speaker 6: It is.

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Speaker 2: It's silly, like you know, I mean, there is both

649
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: like incredible greatness. They're both in the rare air and

650
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Speaker 2: I get you know, we as sports fans. You know,

651
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: that's part of our DNA is to debate and try

652
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 2: to declare a winner. And we've had arguments being viewed

653
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Speaker 2: as a sport, like ESPN would do their round the

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Speaker 2: horn and try to argue as a sport type of thing.

655
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Speaker 2: But ultimately, why all that stuff fails and why it's

656
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: just not good content is because there is no winner,

657
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Speaker 2: and it is ridiculous. And they were both great, and

658
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: they both had incredible attributes, and I heard content about it,

659
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Speaker 2: like you know, obviously Lebron has longevity and Jordan has

660
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: this you know, incredible you know run and greatness and

661
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 2: clutchness and competitiveness and and all that stuff. But ultimately,

662
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Speaker 2: like you know, you can't you can't raise one by

663
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Speaker 2: one guy's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the other it's going to continue to continue

665
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Speaker 1: to you know, go because you can't be proven wrong.

666
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Speaker 1: It's an opinion, you know. So as long as I

667
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: whole firm in my stance, and you hold firm in

668
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Speaker 1: your stance, and nobody's willing to budge, you know, the

669
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Speaker 1: facts are what the facts are, those are never going

670
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Speaker 1: to change. I mean, Lebron's career isn't over yet, so

671
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Speaker 1: I guess they could change a little bit, we'll see,

672
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Speaker 1: but generally speaking, the facts are they're not going to

673
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Speaker 1: be able to change.

674
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Speaker 5: And if people have the heart a long.

675
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Speaker 1: Held belief about one guy over the other, nothing you

676
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Speaker 1: say or do is going to change their mind on that.

677
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: So we're going to be at a stalemate forever. But

678
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Speaker 1: there's always going to be people who are willing to

679
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: engage in that, in that sort of debate, and there's

680
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Speaker 1: a sect of people who eat that up. And that

681
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Speaker 1: goes back to the whole JJ Reddick controversy from earlier

682
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Speaker 1: this week. You know about what you know, what you

683
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Speaker 1: what viewers want, and what viewers don't want, and what

684
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Speaker 1: they crave and what they don't.

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Speaker 2: In fact, let's let's pick that off when we get back,

686
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Speaker 2: because that's a it's an interesting It was fascinated and

687
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Speaker 2: I agree with him. Uh, we're the fellas as we

688
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 2: hang on a Fox Sports Saturday Fellas from the tai

689
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Speaker 2: iraq dot Com studios, Jason fitz Kevin figures, I'm Anthony

690
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: Gargano and it's funny, fake you. I wanted to get

691
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Speaker 2: into it as soon as you said it. Uh, repeat

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Speaker 2: what you said in the last segment.

693
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Speaker 1: So we're talking about the endless and just needless comparison

694
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Speaker 1: of Michael Jordan and Lebron James and how nobody ever

695
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Speaker 1: wins the argument. Yet it continues to pop up in

696
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Speaker 1: sports debate formats. And it's just a ironic that we

697
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Speaker 1: had this conversation because it was something that popped up

698
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Speaker 1: earlier this week in a controversy with JJ Reddick on

699
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Speaker 1: First Take, when he questioned, you know why they have

700
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Speaker 1: these sorts of debates as opposed to talking about more

701
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: quote unquote meaningful discussion topics, as to educating people on

702
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: the sport, as opposed to just having these arguments where

703
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 1: we talk in circles and nothing ever gets resolved.

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Speaker 3: And he said, JJ Reddick said that he listen.

705
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Speaker 2: I could sit there and I can break down, you know,

706
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Speaker 2: a backdoor screen or whatever and kind of go through

707
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Speaker 2: it and I'll get fifty thousand views, and then if

708
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Speaker 2: I go after a coach, it gets a million views.

709
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Speaker 2: So it forces me to play by that, but to

710
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Speaker 2: play that side of the street for relevancy, and it's

711
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Speaker 2: something that I struggle with.

712
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Speaker 3: All the time.

713
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Speaker 2: So Baldie, Brian Baldinger and I do a podcast and

714
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Speaker 2: it's a real geeky NFL podcast and you know, like,

715
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Speaker 2: I don't know, Like we do it because that's what

716
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: we like, but I don't know if that's the right

717
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Speaker 2: thing to do to get like talk about option routes

718
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Speaker 2: and look at film and being coaching nerds.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. Most people don't like that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're a football fan, you don't need

721
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Speaker 2: to go into that kind of mutia. You probably want

722
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: to know and debate Mahomes versus Brady because everybody can

723
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Speaker 2: have an easy opinion on it.

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Speaker 4: You tell me, FITZI, I mean, the hard part about

725
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 4: this is you're not wrong. Like NFL Matchup has been

726
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 4: a great show on the ESPN for years, right like years,

727
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Speaker 4: and it's been just buried at different times because it

728
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 4: just nobody watches it because it's deep in you know,

729
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 4: as they say in our industry all the time, it's

730
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Speaker 4: in the weeds. Here's my problem with what JJ Reddick said,

731
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Speaker 4: because I think there's a nuanced conversation to have about it.

732
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Speaker 4: But realistically, for anyone that doesn't know, you know, JJ

733
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Speaker 4: Reddick said this on First Take. So the night before

734
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Speaker 4: First Take, an email goes out with all the possible topics,

735
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Speaker 4: and they ask, Hey, anybody hot on any of these things?

736
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Speaker 4: Anybody have differing opinions on these things? Then you go

737
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Speaker 4: into a production meeting that morning, and they want to

738
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Speaker 4: make sure that everybody doesn't agree on everything, because that

739
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Speaker 4: makes for a boring first take. So you go into

740
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Speaker 4: a production meeting and you're sitting there on a zoom

741
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Speaker 4: and they're saying, we're going to talk about this and

742
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Speaker 4: this is everybody good with it? Do we have different opinions?

743
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Speaker 4: I thought the soft part about all of that is

744
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Speaker 4: that JJ Reddick obviously didn't want to talk about it,

745
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Speaker 4: obviously mentioned that to the producers, who are you know,

746
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Speaker 4: men and women that are just working their tails off,

747
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 4: got out voted, and then goes on TV and makes

748
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Speaker 4: it sound like he's some sort of a victim for being,

749
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Speaker 4: you know, well compensated to be on a very popular

750
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Speaker 4: TV show, that he accepted the gig for the minute

751
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 4: you take the gig, you know, the gig. You don't

752
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 4: go on first take because you want to have a

753
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Speaker 4: nuanced x's and o's conversation. You want to do that,

754
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Speaker 4: then get on one of the other shows. But the

755
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Speaker 4: minute he goes on that show, now like he gets

756
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Speaker 4: to be the glorious victim here that's getting well paid

757
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Speaker 4: to be on that show. I just thought it was

758
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Speaker 4: such a hippocritical, soft moment from JJ to go in

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Speaker 4: and use that platform to try and make himself the martyr.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's that big of a deal and you

761
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Speaker 1: don't like that particular topic, then tell Steven A and

762
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Speaker 1: the producers you know what, I'm to recuse myself from

763
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Speaker 1: this situation. And you guys have at it that.

764
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Speaker 4: You don't want to do it, sit out the show

765
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Speaker 4: that day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great point, and no, it really is.

767
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Speaker 2: It's a it's a it's a it's a great point

768
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Speaker 2: because I rushed right in and I'll buy with a

769
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Speaker 2: fish shook in my mouth the victim thing, because I

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Speaker 2: you know, there's a market for both. You know, there

771
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Speaker 2: is a market for both. It's a great point. Fake,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's it's but I will say this, and

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Speaker 2: I think I think that most people, I think the

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Speaker 2: majority of audience prefers the former, right.

775
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Speaker 4: I think you're right. Yeah, most people just want to

776
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 4: have a fun sports debate like they would have with

777
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Speaker 4: their buddies, and they want to yell at their TV.

778
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Speaker 3: They don't.

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Speaker 4: They don't want to sit there and find out if

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Speaker 4: the line.

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Speaker 3: To yell at the coach and why the coach is

782
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Speaker 3: not is a boob. Right.

783
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Speaker 5: I can't explain why the coach is a boob, you know,

784
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Speaker 5: I just want to tell you that he is right.

785
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Speaker 2: Right, Fellas, we'll continue it right here, Fox Sports Radio. Well,

786
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Speaker 2: good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning,

787
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Speaker 2: good morning. A buddy, happy, happy happy, Fox Sports Saturday,

788
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Speaker 2: Fellas Jason fitz Kevin figures of Anthony gargano Ian producing

789
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Speaker 2: along with the great my Tea mock and in case

790
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 2: you missed it, talked a lot about college Football twenty

791
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Speaker 2: five on the Horizon, the great video game reboot, and

792
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 2: I love what they're doing, guys with players can be

793
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: in it. They get six hundred bucks plus a free game,

794
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 2: so all players can opt into it, uh, which is

795
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 2: which is really cool and having it back, and there's

796
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: so many it'stries that we discussed off of it about

797
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Speaker 2: how incredible it is to be a sports fan.

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Speaker 3: I brought up, uh with some of the some of

799
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Speaker 3: the new stuff.

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Speaker 2: That MLB and bait, Major League Baseball is doing on

801
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Speaker 2: the youth side and tying it in to UH to MLB.

802
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 3: UH.

803
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Speaker 2: We get into what JJ Reddick talked about this week

804
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 2: and about whether or not you know it's uh the

805
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 2: hot take world is what it is and what people

806
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Speaker 2: kind of really want, you know, from their sports guys.

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Speaker 2: Let's start our number two with this piece, and it's

808
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: a little bit of news well of college football, and

809
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Speaker 2: that is it's already talking about expanding the playoffs, and

810
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 2: it's heading and not my belief exactly what I've been

811
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Speaker 2: talking about. I mean, I brought this up years ago

812
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: to Figgy and he's my witness that all ultimately there's

813
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: gonna be two conferences and there's gonna be a huge

814
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: playoff field that you're gonna have an AFC and NFC

815
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Speaker 2: and it's gonna be a monster kind of playoffs that's

816
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Speaker 2: gonna be over a month almost. That's gonna rival the

817
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Speaker 2: NCAA tournament.

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Speaker 4: So you think because I think that number, you know,

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Speaker 4: sixty four, sixty eight, that sort of number feels daunting

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Speaker 4: obviously in my mind. But I do think it's obvious

821
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Speaker 4: that they're gonna continue to try and find more money.

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Speaker 3: But not sixty I mean, obviously you can't.

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Speaker 2: I mean that I've with football, because you can only

824
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Speaker 2: play once a week, you would have you know, sixteen

825
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Speaker 2: at some point.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you're gonna have that sort of thing.

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Speaker 4: I think that probably sixteen feels like where this thing

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Speaker 4: ends up. But that's a problem for me only in

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Speaker 4: the sense that, like, I don't care if they go

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Speaker 4: to sixteen. What I care about is that we've had

831
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Speaker 4: all this time to figure out going to twelve and

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Speaker 4: now we have barely we haven't even played a single

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Speaker 4: game in the season that goes to twelve, and the

834
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Speaker 4: report comes out that well, we're at least considering fourteen.

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Speaker 4: You can't keep doing this. At some point, just settle

836
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Speaker 4: on what your business model is so that we can

837
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Speaker 4: focus on what we see now instead of constantly thinking, well,

838
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Speaker 4: what's that going to mean for the future, what's that

839
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Speaker 4: going to mean for the future. Like I just this

840
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 4: was such an opportunity for college football to continue to

841
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Speaker 4: sell the five plus seven new twelve team playoff field

842
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Speaker 4: and instead the conversations about the possibility of going to fourteen,

843
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Speaker 4: which means all year we're going to be speculating when

844
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Speaker 4: does it go to sixteen? Why and why go to fourteen?

845
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Speaker 4: If you're eventually going to get to sixteen, Like, just.

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Speaker 3: Get to sixteen now, because we'll get there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just get there, Like whatever the number is, it's

848
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Speaker 4: keeping there. Yeah. Like when you're opening a business, like

849
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Speaker 4: you have to think sometimes if you're opening a warehouse,

850
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 4: you got to get much bigger than you think unique

851
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Speaker 4: as you want to plan for expansion if you're doing

852
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Speaker 4: that sort of company, right, like I think in this situation,

853
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 4: like go bigger than you think you need and just

854
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 4: figure it out, you know, just this constant chase of

855
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Speaker 4: the dollars. I just can't with it because it feels like,

856
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 4: you know, this should be a time to be telling

857
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Speaker 4: us more about why five plus seven rules instead of

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Speaker 4: sitting here telling us, but don't worry. Fourteens.

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Speaker 5: Right around the corner we pick fick, greed, greed, and

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Speaker 5: more greed.

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Speaker 1: You brought it up towards the end of your take there, Jayson, Like,

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Speaker 1: I can't.

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Speaker 5: I can't say more than that. That's all it's about.

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Speaker 5: As soon as you.

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Speaker 1: Make eight billion dollars, is like, how can we get

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Speaker 1: that eight up to twelve? How can we get that

867
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Speaker 1: twelve to sixteen? How can we get that sixteen to twenty?

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Speaker 1: It's almost as if let's not rush to sixteen. Let's

869
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: get their incremental league because we might be able to

870
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: make more money on the back end as opposed to

871
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: giving everything all at once. There's definitely a reason why

872
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: they do it. They're doing it the way that they're

873
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: doing it. It's unfortunate. But we've talked about this on

874
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: the show too. Above everything else, all that matters to

875
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: these major sports leagues and college football at this point

876
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: in time, whether we have a major super conferences or not,

877
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: it is a major pro sports league essentially, the all,

878
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: my how can we make another penny? The NFL put

879
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: a game on Peacock, How can we make another penny?

880
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: That's all it turns into.

881
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: Well, how about the playoff game that goes to Amazon right?

882
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 2: A hundred and fifty million dollars for a game for

883
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 2: one game?

884
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: How insane is that?

885
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: Oh my god?

886
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: The frightening thing, I'm sorry, the freighting thing. Let me

887
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: get your take on it is this is that when

888
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 2: you think about the shear that number for a second,

889
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: and you know, we all like it, were desensitized to

890
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: these numbers because you're so far out of our purview.

891
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 3: But one hundred and fifty million dollars for one game.

892
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: What does that say that if there's if we want

893
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: to talk about a wealth gap, there is no greater

894
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: wealth gap than you know, what's going on in sports

895
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: and the sports fan.

896
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.

897
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 4: I mean when you start talking and look, I think

898
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 4: there's a lot of us that have Amazon. But I'll

899
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 4: go back to I was pretty I was pretty stunned

900
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 4: a few years ago when the Academy of Country Music Awards,

901
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 4: the ACM Awards, moved off of TV and went to

902
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 4: Amazon Prime as their broadcast partner. And there were some

903
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 4: studies released at the time of how many country music

904
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 4: fans in rural areas don't have access to streaming internet still.

905
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 4: And this is as of like three years ago. So

906
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 4: you think about, like, you know, I've spent a lot

907
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 4: of time in the South. You start thinking about the

908
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 4: people that live out in the sticks in the middle

909
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 4: of nowhere in Tennessee. You know where I live for

910
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 4: so many years. It's not as simple as everyone thinks

911
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 4: to just presume that the world is connected. So I

912
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 4: still think it's strange that so much of this is

913
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 4: going to a streaming process when there's still much of

914
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 4: like I don't know. Going back to what we said earlier, Figgie,

915
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 4: like I didn't grow up with anything, and I realized

916
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 4: that parents now have to figure out internet for school.

917
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 4: I would guess I don't know. I don't have kids,

918
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 4: but like, what do you do if you don't have

919
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 4: great working internet for your family? Like you, we're just

920
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 4: not going to watch the playoffs in football. It seems

921
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 4: like we've been talking about all the smart innovations across

922
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 4: the board, but like, to that end, the greed is

923
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 4: going to make these things tougher and tougher to find.

924
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 4: I just I think long term, it's just it's a

925
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 4: curious move to me.

926
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the worst part about it is Roger Goodell

927
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 1: has asked about this at Super Bowl Week in Vegas,

928
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: and he was like, we want to go where the

929
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: fans are. It's like, do you cause I had a

930
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 1: hell of a lot of fans saying that they don't

931
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: have peacock and they don't want to pay for it.

932
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: So I don't really understand what you're trying to say.

933
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: I get it to a degree. I know everything is

934
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 1: going to streaming. I really wish you would just honest

935
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: and say, you know what they offered us a crap

936
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: ton of money and we took it. And whoever can

937
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: subscribe to it great. And if you can't, tough you

938
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: know what? Yeah, rightther you be honest and just tell

939
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: me that.

940
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 4: But when you do the math, Okay, so one hundred

941
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 4: and fifty million dollars, I'm not saying this is nothing,

942
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 4: but one hundred and fifty million dollars divided amongst thirty

943
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 4: two owners, it's about five million bucks an hour, so

944
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 4: for about five million bucks an owner, right, like, am

945
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 4: I doing the math? Yeah, about about five million bucks

946
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 4: an owner, so about five million dollars in you know,

947
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 4: Jerry Jones Pocket Cowboys fans are going to struggle to

948
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 4: find the playoff game. It's just it's when you break

949
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 4: it down that way. To me, it's it's wild.

950
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, listen, one hundred and fifty million

951
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: dollars for a play like five million dollars for one game.

952
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 3: It's unbelieved that I don't know.

953
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: It's like to me, it's it's unfathomable. And it's where

954
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 2: everything's it's where it's where it's well handed. Did you

955
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 2: see what's going on in Phoenix with the Suns and coyotes,

956
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: and because all the local this is the next domino

957
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: in sports. So radio stations are failing obviously, and then

958
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: that everybody sees that on the other side of the

959
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: horizon when it comes to local radio, that there's a

960
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 2: major issue that the minute cars are connected with internet

961
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 2: and people can just go to YouTube, Spotify, whatever, and

962
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 2: it gets streamed in your car, thrusts show. Radio goes away,

963
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: and so teams are going and and you have the

964
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 2: other issue, which is the comcast of the world.

965
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: The r sins, Yeah, regional sports networks are they're dying.

966
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: They're dying, and so they these teams are going, WHOA

967
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 2: what am I going to do with my games?

968
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: Well, one thing I do love about the Phoenix sun

969
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: Z owner. At least he says, if I have to

970
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: operate at a loss, then you know, be damned. He's

971
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: took a large portion of suns games and put them

972
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 1: on over the air broadcast television, owing that they didn't

973
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: have a cable TV contract. He says, We'll make up

974
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: not all of it, but at least some of the

975
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: revenue just selling sponsorships and just doing like the old

976
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: school local TV model. But at the very least we're

977
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: going to have a wider reach across the state and

978
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: not price people out sot him operating at a loss.

979
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: The problem is ninety nine percent of owners are not

980
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: going to want to operate at a loss.

981
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:06,479
Speaker 3: Right.

982
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: Let me just ask you a quick question on for this,

983
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: Because I find I love this stuff. I geek about it.

984
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: I will often wonder that if you're reach, you're if

985
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 2: you're giving the product away, the ad piece of it,

986
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: you're just reaching so many people that the ad dollar

987
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 2: has to has to go a long way. Now, I

988
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: get that you can also have someone pay you and

989
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 2: do all the work for you and sell and just

990
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 2: you just say, write me a check and then the

991
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 2: game appears and you collect a check without doing any

992
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: of the production piece of it. But there is something

993
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: to that model that you that you could play with.

994
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: You just don't make enough in that space. Unfortunately, at

995
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: this point in times like yeah, your reach might be

996
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: a much wider than a was before. But are you

997
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: going to get the same return from just you know,

998
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: selling advertising and hoping that people you know buy the

999
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: products and making sure you get the sort of return

1000
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: versus pay seven ninety nine or whatever it is for

1001
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: whatever streaming service or you know what have you, and

1002
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: just know you have that guaranteed income coming in from

1003
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: someone regardless as if they look at or pay attention

1004
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: to the ads that are attached to it or not.

1005
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 5: That's the difficult part.

1006
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 4: Just think about with all of this conversation and broadcast

1007
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 4: partners and ad revenue and everything, like the Denver Nuggets

1008
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 4: have been in a dispute that has kept them off

1009
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 4: of local TV for years. They are not on in

1010
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 4: their local market, you know, and you start thinking about

1011
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 4: the NBA champions with the MVP, like this should be

1012
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 4: the golden moment for that entire fan base for generations, right, Like,

1013
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 4: this is the moment that you get the entire city

1014
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 4: of Denver behind you for the next thirty years because

1015
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 4: of the championship run you went on with Jokis, Right, yeah, yeah,

1016
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 4: they because of their dispute that they have, they haven't

1017
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 4: been on local TV since twenty nineteen, so like the

1018
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 4: local community has never even seen it. That just speaks

1019
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 4: to like how different all of this is becoming in

1020
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 4: front of our eyes, Like and and you know, certainly

1021
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 4: in some places, like I'd argue right now, it's easier

1022
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 4: to watch the Nuggets if you're not in Denver. And

1023
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 4: the Nuggets are okay with that. Now, maybe that's because they,

1024
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 4: you know, they just don't care about making money.

1025
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 2: But it just like the black Hawks had the same

1026
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 2: issue in Chicago. Do you remember hear about that the

1027
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 2: Wortz family in Chicago and they forever like most of

1028
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 2: the black Halls home games were not televised in Chicago. Wow,

1029
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 2: and they were like and it's they suffered. They suffered

1030
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 2: big time. I mean, there's something to be said about

1031
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 2: your local community and who you are. Like, I get globalization,

1032
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: but there is still a local market that can that

1033
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: you can eat off of.

1034
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, there was a similar situation with

1035
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: the Dodgers where now they were able to be seen

1036
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 1: in the local market but somewhat, but I believe seventy

1037
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: percent of the market because they didn't subscribe to a

1038
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: particular cable provider, weren't able to see Dodger games. And

1039
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: this was for years only. This may have been five

1040
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: years or so that they weren't able to watch. And

1041
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: this is a this is an iconic franchise with a

1042
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: wide reach. Because of TV disputes, It's it's unbelievable and

1043
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 1: this was this sort of thing is still happening.

1044
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 2: It's it's crazy, But like, all right, so get back

1045
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 2: to the college football thing that we started with at

1046
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 2: the top of the segment. Just take forget the models

1047
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 2: or anything else you like it. It's just a college

1048
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: football fan. I'll start with you, FITZI.

1049
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 4: Look, I like going to sixteen is where I would

1050
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 4: have gone. So, I mean, expansion of fourteen is frustrating

1051
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 4: because it only gets us one step closer to sixteen.

1052
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 4: I just wanted to I want change to stop. I

1053
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 4: love the five plus seven. I'm all in on what

1054
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 4: they've got right now. In fact, if they told everybody

1055
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 4: that five plus seven the new twelve team format is

1056
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 4: what we were gonna see for the next ten years,

1057
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 4: I think that'd be amazing. I just shut the conversation off.

1058
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 4: I'm all in for the expansion that we've got. But

1059
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 4: if we're gonna go to fourteen, then just take us

1060
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 4: to sixteen. Like fourteen just doesn't feel like a number

1061
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 4: that's gonna be permanent. So I don't love change for

1062
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 4: the sake of change to get more change. But yeah,

1063
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 4: I'm all in. I'm all in on expanding it. Sure,

1064
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 4: I think once you get past sixteen, Like, I don't

1065
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 4: want to get to a spot where the entire top

1066
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 4: twenty five is making it because most of those teams

1067
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 4: are not real threats for the championship.

1068
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would rather keep it at at least I say,

1069
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:46,919
Speaker 1: keep it at twelve. Can we get to twelve first,

1070
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, but sort of I want to keep

1071
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: some sort of exclusivity to it and have you have

1072
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: a way to earn your way up into it, you know,

1073
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: if you're gonna expand to sixteen they now were Actually

1074
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: I want to go with Anthony's model and say we're

1075
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: gonna have sixteen, but there's also gonna be a promotion

1076
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 1: relegation aspect to it as well.

1077
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 5: So there's at least meaningful.

1078
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 1: Regular season games even where there generally wouldn't be. Where

1079
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 1: you have a five and seventeen playing a seven and

1080
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: five team, Well, that game at least has meaning towards

1081
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: the end of the season. Along with knowing that we

1082
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: have these certains who as these certain schools that are

1083
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: trying to qualify for a playoff bid. There's I'm all

1084
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: about having more more meaningful games, and I think the

1085
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: more and more you expand, the playoff, the less and

1086
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: less important the regular season becomes unless you do a

1087
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: promotion relegation model.

1088
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just work so perfectly because you have all

1089
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 2: those teams, when you have one hundred and sumidd programs,

1090
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: you can do the re You could do the relegation

1091
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 2: thing right works.

1092
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: And if you do the AFC, NFC, whatever model you

1093
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 1: want to call it. You know, with sixty some odd teams,

1094
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: let's say, and you split those into a couple of divisions, well,

1095
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: now you can have subdivisions of those and at the

1096
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: you know, and you can have basically a premier league

1097
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: soccer model where teams that at the top of you know,

1098
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: the league can fight it out to see who actually

1099
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 1: gets promoted up and who gets relegated down.

1100
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 2: But I'll be honest with you, I don't know why

1101
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 2: they're not, you know, moving forward with this right now,

1102
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 2: I think college football would become the biggest thing out there,

1103
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 2: like it would actually rival the NFL with interests only

1104
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 2: because of the of the you know, Nope, they're the

1105
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 2: only ones that could do that.

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00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 3: And the same thing with college basketball.

1107
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 4: There'd be so much whining about, well, we got relegated

1108
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 4: because we can't afford as much nil as this school

1109
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 4: and like.

1110
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 2: Of course, but that's all part of the drama.

1111
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 4: That's true. That's true.

1112
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 3: That sells it all.

1113
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 2: College basketball, which is nameless and faceless and need some

1114
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 2: sort of injection of life. If I was college basketball, like,

1115
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 2: that's the first thing I would cleave too, because then

1116
00:57:55,520 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 2: I could have you know, everybody's got college basketball program.

1117
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 2: There's a you know, there's there's so much opportunity for

1118
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 2: relegation and and building with college basketball.

1119
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 3: If I was college basketball, you need something.

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00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: The first thing they need is actually have players that

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00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: people recognize and actually stay totally stay for longer than

1122
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, five minutes, so we can actually recognize and

1123
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: grow to love and or hate a player or a team.

1124
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 5: That's that's the biggest issue for college basketball.

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00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 3: Dude. Amen, Amen, Well, I don't know.

1126
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 2: You guys heard the the the odd couple, and I

1127
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 2: guess it was Rob who said about Caitlyn Clark and

1128
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, how how how much you think

1129
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 2: about it the women's game, because uh, there's recognizable players,

1130
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 2: it's it's gotten a huge it's it's it's it's become

1131
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 2: so big. It's talking about much more than the men's

1132
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 2: game because of that, because recognition.

1133
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and their most recognizable player is exciting to watch.

1134
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to see Kaitlin Clark. The Purdue was great,

1135
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: and I love Zach Edy. He's just not pleasurable to watch.

1136
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 5: I'm sorry.

1137
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to see a big, sull lumbering guy, even

1138
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: if he's getting twenty five and twenty is just you know,

1139
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: twenty five years ago.

1140
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 11: Sure right now, nobody wants to see it. I'm sorry,

1141
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 11: I completely agree. All right, let's take a quick time out.

1142
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 11: We'll pick that one up. Which is because we're entering

1143
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 11: the teeth of college basketball. March is around the corner,

1144
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 11: and nobody cares.

1145
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:46,120
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1154
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 2: It's amazing that We're here in the end of February

1155
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 2: and March around a corner and like, we have a

1156
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 2: full day of college basketball Saturday, and listen, you know,

1157
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 2: there's some good teams and good games and the whole thing.

1158
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 3: But it's got no teeth.

1159
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 2: Man, it's got no Oh my god, I have to

1160
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 2: watch Ohio State and Michigan play, or you know, any

1161
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 2: of the any of the great football matchups. It doesn't

1162
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 2: have that. It doesn't have you know, I gotta see

1163
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 2: this game. I gotta see this player. It's a huge

1164
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 2: void in the sport.

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01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 10: It doesn't even have the coach, the face of the

1166
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 10: coach that you want.

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01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 2: FITZI, I gotta start with you. You cover a lot

1168
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 2: of college ball. The depth of it is like we're

1169
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 2: past that.

1170
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 4: We sat here last week and you asked me what

1171
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 4: I was most excited to watch over the weekend, and

1172
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 4: my answer was Yukon Marquette. You had a top five

1173
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 4: matchup before Connecticut basketball on the verge of trying to

1174
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 4: do with the Chiefs. Didn't just to go back to back, right,

1175
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 4: like this should be an electric story. And Yukon absolutely

1176
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 4: demolished Marquette. It wasn't even close and a few days later,

1177
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 4: Yukon loses to Creighton and their coach yells at a fan.

1178
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 4: And these are the sorts of things that would usually

1179
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 4: just be massive stories, and none of it felt like

1180
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 4: it resonated. And I found myself last Saturday night watching

1181
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 4: Michigan Michigan State, thinking, man, this is usually one of

1182
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 4: those games that you just sort of you stop and

1183
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 4: you say, okay, man, I got it. And it was Saturday,

1184
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 4: and I gave and I was bored out of my mind.

1185
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 4: Both of those teams were just terrible. They're just bad, right,

1186
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 4: So you sit here and you think, I don't know

1187
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 4: what's worse right now, the lack of personalities, the lack

1188
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 4: of coaching, the names that you can put on a billboard,

1189
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 4: or just the poor play. But across the board, how

1190
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 4: many people right now are pumped. How many casual people

1191
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 4: sitting around are doing cartwheels to see either Yukon Houston

1192
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 4: or Purdue. Those are top. The top three teams right

1193
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 4: now are Yukon, Houston and Purdue. And I'm sorry, but

1194
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 4: that's just not a level of name recognition that competes

1195
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 4: with Duke in North Carolina, Kentucky. The things that we're

1196
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 4: used to right. So it just it feels like a

1197
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 4: really lost year of irrelevance in college basketball right now.

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01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: And you know, you know, typically we have like the

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Speaker 1: one and Don's and like the exciting young freshmen. We

1200
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: don't have that this year either, So that that's what's hurting.

1201
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: It's not the strongest draft class, you know, so, I

1202
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: mean it had on top of the fact that you know,

1203
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: it's just not the most there's not a lot of

1204
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: exciting teams and a lot of exciting play. You don't

1205
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: even have a player or two that you can gravitate towards.

1206
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: And it goes to what we were discussing last segment, like,

1207
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: there are more exciting players to watch on the women's side,

1208
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's a a Caitlyn Clark or whether

1209
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: it's you know, Juju Watkins at USC who's breaking records

1210
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: and doing crazy things. I mean, you know more about

1211
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: about the players on the and the storylines on the

1212
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: women's side than you do on the men's side.

1213
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Speaker 5: And that is quite literally never happened before. It's unreal.

1214
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 3: It's funny.

1215
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 2: I was watching the U six ers and nixt the

1216
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 2: other night and there was like four Villanova players in

1217
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 2: the game Lowry and of course Brunson and Heart Josh

1218
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 2: Hart and I'm watching this game and all I'm thinking

1219
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 2: about is Jay Wright and I'm like, there's, like Jave writes, retired,

1220
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 2: Villanova is completely an afterthought. They were demolaged tonight by Yukon.

1221
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 2: Where are they.

1222
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 3: Man those coaches because the coaches.

1223
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 2: Carried the sport while the players were moving on to

1224
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 2: the NBA.

1225
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: But even with that, like I guess, the one of

1226
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: the bigger named coaches left I guess is coach cal

1227
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: and this certainly is not one of his better Kentucky teams.

1228
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: I mean, they can shoot the hell out of basketball,

1229
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: but they can't stop anybody, and that's why they have

1230
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 1: the record that they have. They don't have any great

1231
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: standout freshman teams like he had when he first got there.

1232
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: So I mean, like, I think not having the high

1233
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: profile coaches as part of it, But I do think

1234
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: the bigger issue is you just don't have the high

1235
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: profile players either. And again, the high profile player that

1236
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: you do have is just not esthetically pleasing to watch.

1237
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 4: In Zach Eatie, I'm curious to see what Nil can

1238
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 4: do because we spent so much time talking about name

1239
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 4: image likeness in college football, but I always felt like

1240
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 4: it could have a faster impact in college basketball if

1241
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 4: somebody actually chose to go out and essentially buy themselves

1242
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 4: the championship college basketball team less less players, you can

1243
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 4: get out there and you're competing against G League basically,

1244
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 4: so you kind of know what the economics are to

1245
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 4: commence somebody to come to your school. I wonder if

1246
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 4: that's what's gonna is it going to take somebody that decides,

1247
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 4: you know what, I'm going to invest enough that these

1248
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 4: guys want to stay here for two or three years

1249
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 4: and before they move on, because it's just I still

1250
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 4: think that part of the story of college basketball used

1251
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 4: to be falling in love with your you know, this

1252
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 4: growing freshman because you're gonna watch these guys play together

1253
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 4: for four years. And it just becomes like, I'm not

1254
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 4: sitting here lamenting an Il. I'm actually sitting here saying,

1255
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 4: like this era of college basket.

1256
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 3: That can be saved, an Il.

1257
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 10: Yeah, no, listen, it's a great point, man, dude, It's

1258
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 10: a great point.

1259
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 2: It could save Like imagine this, imagine UNLV right goes

1260
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 2: back to it makes this concerted effort. I used to

1261
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 2: bring this up the figuie all the time. But you

1262
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 2: remember the movie Blue Chips, Yeah, of course, all right,

1263
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 2: so it's I love that movie.

1264
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 3: I love forever.

1265
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 2: Right, So Nick Delty goes to all the ends of

1266
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 2: the earth to grab the best you know, uh players, Right,

1267
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 2: he goes.

1268
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 3: And gets Indiana, and Shooter goes you get Shack and

1269
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 3: to buy you goes Chicago for penny.

1270
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 2: Right, like, so he's getting He's got all the walks

1271
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 2: of the of the of the of the country to

1272
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 2: find the next So un l V I identifies right,

1273
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 2: like four dynamic domestic player and one incredible farm player

1274
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 2: gets the nil money. It puts them all together, pays

1275
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 2: him right through the nil and brings his team together.

1276
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 2: And one of the stipulations is of for the money

1277
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 2: is you got to stay three years, and these this

1278
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 2: team stays three years and the running Rebels become the

1279
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 2: running Rebels of nineteen ninety. Like like that's a story

1280
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 2: that could help save college basketball.

1281
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 5: No, well, now, well, since our go ahead fits.

1282
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 4: No, absolutely it does. It takes it takes one person

1283
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 4: that wants to come in and spend all that money

1284
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 4: and not get any of it back, right, because I

1285
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 4: just don't think that's just buying a championship, but you

1286
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 4: would think there's somebody. I mean, you use un lv

1287
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 4: In as example, like I mean, the maloofs are out there.

1288
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 4: You would think of family like that is out there

1289
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 4: just putting all the money in and saying, hey, let's

1290
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 4: make you and lv like you can buy relevance in

1291
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 4: college basketball.

1292
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: I would think yeah. And you know, and talking about

1293
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, a three year commitment that that was something

1294
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: that was brought up and I forget exactly who presents

1295
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: it a few weeks ago, but the idea of offering contracts,

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01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: you know, and look, if these guys want to be

1297
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: considered professional semi professionals now with nil deals and you know,

1298
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: we had the court case that that came down on

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01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 1: Thursday that basically had an injunction on nil.

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01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 5: So it's it's the wild while West. Even more so.

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01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: Now then we're gonna have to get a commitment from

1302
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: guys because we're just throwing money left and right. And

1303
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: once you determine after one year this isn't for me

1304
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: and you leave and go somewhere else, now we're kind of,

1305
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: you know, back to square one. So if you have

1306
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 1: some sort of system in place where you agreed to

1307
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: a scholarship, but within that scholarsh you'd be saying, here's

1308
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 1: your nil deal, here's your scholarship. You are not able

1309
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: to leave for two for at least two seasons. If

1310
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 1: we can get that written in, I think that will

1311
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: go a long way in helping really everybody in that situation,

1312
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 1: the school, the team, the fans, you know. I guess

1313
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: it would only end up potentially hindering the player, and

1314
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 1: obviously there could be extinguating circumstances coach gets fired, whatever

1315
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: you want to call it. But I think that will

1316
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: go a long way and helping especially a sport like

1317
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: college basketball, where the tonover rate is just so high.

1318
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, when you think about the turnover rate too specifically,

1319
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,679
Speaker 4: let's think about what the experience is like for most

1320
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 4: of us getting into college basketball. Like, if you're not

1321
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 4: a die hard, right, that means that after the Super Bowl,

1322
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 4: you're now turning on your favorite college basketball team, right.

1323
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,600
Speaker 4: And when you turn that team on, you now have

1324
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 4: basically a few weeks to catch up on what happened

1325
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 4: before conference tournament played before the NCAA tournament, while you're

1326
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 4: also trying to learn essentially an entirely new roster for

1327
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 4: your team and for your biggest rivals, right, Like, I

1328
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 4: think to the point you made earlier because about the coaches,

1329
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 4: I don't even think it's just about Hey, I'm a

1330
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 4: Villanova fan and I have Jay Wright, Like it became

1331
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 4: easy for the world to say it doesn't matter who

1332
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 4: plays for Duke. I know that I hate coach k right, So,

1333
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 4: like you had a villain that was easy. I don't

1334
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 4: even think as much as the coaching issue is also

1335
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 4: in part for fans and having their favorite guy. I

1336
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 4: think having easily the easy villain you can root against.

1337
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 4: I don't even know who that is right now in

1338
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 4: college basketball, Like, who's the person that immediately people will

1339
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 4: just hate watch just to watch. I don't know who

1340
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 4: that is.

1341
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 3: Now, and you need that. Like again, it goes back.

1342
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 2: It always goes back to the Marvel universe, right, which

1343
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 2: is you know the good, the guys you love, the

1344
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 2: guys you hate, right, Like, all that stuff is real,

1345
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 2: Like you need heroes and villains, and and someone's hero

1346
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:14,520
Speaker 2: is another person's villain. That's what's so great about sports

1347
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 2: is that it all changes with your with your distinct

1348
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 2: permew who you love who you hate, and it's the

1349
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 2: it's the greatest stick in the world. And that's what

1350
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 2: college basketball lacks. There's there's no heroes, there's no villains,

1351
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 2: there's just dudes.

1352
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a full on indifference and that's the one

1353
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: place you don't want to be there. I think you

1354
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 1: mentioned at the top of the segment, Anthony is like

1355
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 1: there's just a level of indifference about college basketball because

1356
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:53,719
Speaker 1: you're just not familiar players, coaches are otherwise, and there's

1357
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 1: no and look, once you do start watching, to you,

1358
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:59,680
Speaker 1: guys's point, there's no one who's really polarizing one way

1359
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 1: or the There's nobody that's really getting you, getting you

1360
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 1: out of your seat or that's appointment viewing for you.

1361
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: So at that point in time, you know what difference

1362
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: doesn't make. I will say even with having the coaches,

1363
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: like a coach k or even Roy Williams, if you

1364
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 1: were if you considered him a lover hate guy. Maybe

1365
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:15,600
Speaker 1: and maybe it's just a duke thing, but there was

1366
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,759
Speaker 1: always a duke player or two that you can attach

1367
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: yourself to himself to and say I don't like this guy,

1368
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: whether whether it was JJ Redick, whether it was Grayson Allen.

1369
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 1: You just go down the list over the last couple

1370
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: of years, but the road. Yeah, but these are guys

1371
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 1: that were there for three years at a time, three

1372
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: to four years at a time.

1373
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 2: So so you had I mean you had and you

1374
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 2: had him arm in arm with coach k so coach

1375
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 2: or hey when he's walking with his arm around woe

1376
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 2: Jahowski right right, like there is that oh wow, yeah, okay,

1377
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:50,600
Speaker 2: I get it right like there there that's like the

1378
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 2: essence of like, you know basketball, Like yeah, felt like

1379
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 2: it was, oh my god, it's duke basketball.

1380
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 1: Or even if if you were gonna be col you know,

1381
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 1: at least he was getting the top five recruits every

1382
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: single year. All these guys were NBA guys and you

1383
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 1: were there easy to root against. Right now, you have

1384
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:11,799
Speaker 1: no idea just yeah, they're a solid roster of guys.

1385
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 1: But nobody that you know knocks your socks off. There's

1386
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 1: no Carl Anthony Towns or Anthony Davis is on on

1387
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: these rosters.

1388
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 4: Well, and we've spent years with every sport saying, well,

1389
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 4: who's going to be the next whoever? In Superstar, who's

1390
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 4: the next face of the lead, who is the zion

1391
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 4: of college basketball now it doesn't exist anymore, so, you know,

1392
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 4: and there was a cultural phenomenon that not that long

1393
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 4: ago where you had to go and try and find

1394
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 4: a way to watch Zion play, even if it was

1395
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 4: just for a minute. And you know, frankly, I'm glad

1396
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,799
Speaker 4: that college basketball got that because the NBA really hasn't.

1397
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 4: You know. So college basketball got the best year of

1398
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 4: Zion hype ever that you could possibly imagine. It was awesome.

1399
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 4: But what's ever going to make that happen again? I

1400
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 4: don't know. So that that's when you don't have a

1401
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,879
Speaker 4: coach k and you don't have a Zion. Now, what's

1402
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 4: making people pay attention? It's not Zach Eatie. You know,

1403
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter how good it is, it's not Zach Katie.

1404
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 1: You're right, you know what I hope ultimately will happen,

1405
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 1: And it will eventually. I'm just not sure when. Once

1406
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: the NBA changes it's CBA rules and the draft rules

1407
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 1: and allows high school kids to commit, what you're gonna

1408
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 1: end up having. Yes, guys that want to go to

1409
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: college will go to college, and guys that want to

1410
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: try their hand at the pros will go to the

1411
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 1: pros and a look. Now, look the fact that n

1412
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 1: NIL has opened up a little bit that might change

1413
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 1: the metrics only slightly. But I do think we're going

1414
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 1: to see a better product than guys who are willing

1415
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 1: to stay longer by committing to college as opposed to

1416
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: the guys that just want to go pro, and that

1417
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: will ultimately end up helping the college basketball game.

1418
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,640
Speaker 3: I agree, I do. I do. Let me ask you

1419
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 3: a question, though, Guys, what happens this March?

1420
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 2: Like, so people get geeked up for the BRAC even

1421
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 2: though nobody will be able to hand the cap you're

1422
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 2: throwing darts. I mean you have a you know, a

1423
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 2: little semble to some teams and everything else. But you're

1424
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 2: gonna have what like people excited for Thursday and from

1425
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 2: and then as the second you know, as after the

1426
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 2: first weekend, it just kind of dissipates.

1427
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,679
Speaker 4: Yep, that's exactly. It's the first couple of rounds because

1428
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 4: it's going to be total chaos. I think are going

1429
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 4: to be incredible when we get to the sweet sixteen

1430
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 4: and everybody's looking around saying, wait, I don't really care

1431
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 4: about these teams. You're just going to see declining interest

1432
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 4: from the sweet sixteen to the final four. I don't know.

1433
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 1: There's a part of me that says I agree with

1434
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: you to a certain degree, but I'm also interested to see,

1435
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: if you know, because it's still it's still the NCAA tournament,

1436
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:32,600
Speaker 1: it will be the biggest thing going on at that

1437
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 1: point in time. You'll have the regular season of the

1438
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: NBA sort of winding down and nothing else in the

1439
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 1: sports landscape really happening. Gambling's a big deal across the country,

1440
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 1: especially now that it's legal in a lot of places,

1441
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 1: And if there's a game going on, especially a game

1442
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: of any sort of importance, people are going to want

1443
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: to put a shekel or two on it. So they're

1444
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: gonna be games of meat, of merit and games that

1445
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 1: have meaning attached to them, even if you're not familiar

1446
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 1: with the players, the coaches, the personalities, what have you.

1447
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 5: So look, maybe the ratings will drop.

1448
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 1: It's something I'm interest didn't sing, but I do think

1449
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 1: there's still gonna be a level of interest because there

1450
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: won't be anything else to pay attention to in the

1451
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:05,799
Speaker 1: sports landscape.

1452
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 3: It's it's it's so interesting, man.

1453
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 2: Let's let's uh, let's let's figure this whole thing out

1454
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 2: where the fellas as we hang on a Fox Sports

1455
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 2: Saturday Fellas Jason fitz Kevin figures Anthony Gargano as we

1456
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:31,799
Speaker 2: hang out on this Saturday morning, the plight of March

1457
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 2: like March hits and we'll have Selection Sunday. And the

1458
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 2: thing that the biggest issue and look sports is, you know,

1459
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 2: part of the beauty and lore of sport is that

1460
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 2: there is a nostalgia component to it because it's the

1461
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:59,440
Speaker 2: timeline of your life. You have there's a nostalgia component

1462
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 2: that you could bring up, you go always go to.

1463
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 2: The problem is when that's all you have, right, like

1464
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 2: it's all well and good that during an NFL season

1465
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 2: at their moments when you bring up you know, the

1466
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 2: Patriots dynasty or go back to the you know, the

1467
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 2: Cowboys not being able to get into the playoffs for

1468
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 2: you know, for years and years and talking about great

1469
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 2: players and the Dan Marino and Joe Montana at the

1470
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. But what makes football great is the here

1471
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 2: and now and the fact that you have Patrick Mahomes

1472
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 2: and you have these great storylines. And that's the greatest

1473
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 2: problem with you know, college basketball, is that there's no

1474
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 2: hearing now that all you have is yesterday, and it

1475
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 2: pals to yesterday. Like you can make an argument that football, baseball, NBA, NHL,

1476
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 2: it's as good or better now, you can make an

1477
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 2: argument you can't do that with college basketball.

1478
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 4: I'll go back also to the powers this year are

1479
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 4: not They just don't have the massive And I say

1480
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 4: this carefully with Yukon because I know Connecticut basketball has

1481
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:20,680
Speaker 4: been good for a very long time. But there are

1482
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 4: not a lot of Connecticut basketball lovers or haters sitting

1483
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 4: in Montana, right, Like there's not a lot of Houston

1484
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 4: basketball lovers or haters sitting in Oregon.

1485
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 3: Right.

1486
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:34,879
Speaker 4: That's the advantage that you have when you have schools

1487
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,759
Speaker 4: like Duke in Kansas because to your point, not only

1488
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:41,680
Speaker 4: is it, you know, my dislike of Duke basketball is

1489
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 4: baked into my life for years. Right, So it's one

1490
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 4: of those things that it's just it's the fabric of

1491
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 4: ah Duke makes your skin crawl, Like that's just who

1492
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 4: I am as a sports fan. Duke basketball is that

1493
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 4: team that I get fired up to try to I

1494
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 4: hope I'm gonna watch lose. Right, That's just that. But

1495
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 4: it gets me going, and I know I'm not the

1496
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:02,640
Speaker 4: only one there are a ton of If you just

1497
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 4: like college basketball, you have an opinion one way or

1498
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 4: the other. Duke Kansas North Carolina sit right now in

1499
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 4: the current college basketball rankings. They're eight, nine and ten.

1500
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 4: It's not that they're bad, it's just that they're not

1501
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 4: They're not great, you know. So if you're college basketball,

1502
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 4: I guess what you hope is that through the first

1503
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 4: few rounds of chaos, you'll get some unprecedented, oh my god,

1504
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 4: historic results and then somehow, rising from the ashes comes

1505
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 4: the Duke Kansas North Carolina's of the world, and you

1506
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 4: can at least tie it into that somehow Kentucky coming

1507
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 4: to you.

1508
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 2: What the problem though? You have the problem with you said,

1509
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:35,719
Speaker 2: and you lay it out beautifully.

1510
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 10: But the problem is that Cinderella doesn't exist.

1511
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 2: Without the Giant. You got no Cinderella.

1512
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 4: I mean, if to your point, and I never thought

1513
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 4: about this, but in order for David Goliath to be

1514
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:56,919
Speaker 4: a thing, you got to have both David and Goliath.

1515
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:00,839
Speaker 4: And while it would be an upset obviously for the Ages,

1516
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,639
Speaker 4: but if you know, if Yukon goes into the tournament

1517
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 4: with the number one overall seed and they fall on

1518
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:09,759
Speaker 4: the first weekend of the tournament. That would be an upset.

1519
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 4: Would it be the shocking thing that people would would

1520
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:16,639
Speaker 4: people just be other than the Shekels, as Faggie said

1521
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 4: earlier that they have on it. Would it get the

1522
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 4: same resounding response of Michigan State getting upset by MTSU.

1523
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:26,600
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I really maybe I'm wrong, but

1524
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 4: I don't think it will.

1525
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 3: I agree that not at all. I mean, Rip Hamilton's

1526
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 3: not playing for Yukon.

1527
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 1: That was gonna be my point, you know, talking about

1528
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 1: Yukon being a legacy program and not hated or loved

1529
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 1: or you know or whatever. You also don't have like

1530
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: those sort of players. You don't have Rip Hamilton, you

1531
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 1: don't have Ray Allen, you don't have Cliff Robinson like,

1532
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 1: you don't have stunt players playing for this, for this

1533
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 1: great program.

1534
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 5: You know, That's that's what's missing.

1535
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,639
Speaker 1: It's the program itself on top of the personalities attached

1536
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: to it. And when you're lacking both of them. To

1537
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 1: your point, Yukon might as well be Saint Peter's you know,

1538
01:19:59,520 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 1: no justice.

1539
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:08,600
Speaker 2: And titles right, No man, I listen, when I was

1540
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 2: a child, I will never forget one of the greatest

1541
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 2: games and it got me in love with college basketball.

1542
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:22,959
Speaker 2: So you might have heard about the NC State Houston, Uh,

1543
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 2: the miracle. So of course, so and I'll bring it up.

1544
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 2: We'll start the next segment with this. But I remember

1545
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 2: that upset and it and it had come. And then

1546
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 2: right after that was Villanova Georgetown, and like you had

1547
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 2: these amazing upsets that were you know, that changed the world.

1548
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 2: You just don't, you don't have the makeup for that.

1549
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 2: We'll discuss it coming up. Where the Fellas right here

1550
01:20:52,560 --> 01:21:00,720
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1551
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:07,320
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1552
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Speaker 2: I hope everybody's having a wonderful weekend. It's a Saturday

1558
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 2: morning in the east, seven am. It's four am in

1559
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 2: the west as we get to begin another or second

1560
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:49,719
Speaker 2: football list weekend. Oh god, I miss it terribly freaking

1561
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:53,799
Speaker 2: my buddy Baldy, who we do in the NFL podcast together,

1562
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 2: is in Costa Rica and like he's so far away,

1563
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 2: like he's in the waves and he's.

1564
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 3: Sending me videos and he's hanging out.

1565
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 2: On the beats and looking riding the big waves and

1566
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 2: going diving, and I'm like, oh my god, dude, that's

1567
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 2: awesome because it's you guys can relate. Well, Figgy can't

1568
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 2: relate to it, but Fitzy can relate to it. It's

1569
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 2: nothing but like February March, forty degree days on the

1570
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 2: East Coast, and like in the wire, the great line

1571
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 2: was nobody remembers a forty degree day.

1572
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 4: Oh that is so brilliant. I flew to Nashville for

1573
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 4: the weekend and it was amazing getting off the plane

1574
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 4: and seeing people in Nashville wearing jackets because it was

1575
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 4: like in the fifties and sixties and I'm like, I

1576
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 4: need to tear away pants. I was like, let's go.

1577
01:22:57,160 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 4: I'm ready, Like it's just just tearing the pants away,

1578
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 4: hoping the speedo's coming out in the airport. Like it

1579
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 4: was like a summer day yesterday walking through Nashville and

1580
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 4: just seeing like you know, the weather difference, but it's

1581
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:11,599
Speaker 4: hysterical that everybody down here is like bundled up. I'm

1582
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 4: gonna go to the Nashville SC home opener tomorrow for

1583
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 4: the soccer club, and you know that's all. But I've

1584
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 4: got I've got buddies that are like, oh, make sure

1585
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 4: you dig a beanie, And I'm like, dude, it's gonna

1586
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 4: be fifty I don't need a beanie and fifty degrees?

1587
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 4: What are we doing here? Like, it's just yeah, So

1588
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 4: I feel it like I can't imagine if I walked

1589
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 4: into like exotic climate right now. I think, like my

1590
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 4: my sweat would sweat. It'd be so hot, like I'm

1591
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 4: used to the I've had. I've had snow on the

1592
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 4: ground in Connecticut so long, I don't remember what my

1593
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:42,640
Speaker 4: grass looks like.

1594
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, degrees for me, I'm breaking out the mink coat.

1595
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 1: Oh I can't do it.

1596
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 4: And making it look good too, like a figure walking

1597
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:52,960
Speaker 4: into the studio and a mink coat.

1598
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 5: You know it just has five flas. Got nothing on me,

1599
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 5: trust me.

1600
01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Still want to coolest people the face

1601
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 2: of the planet is.

1602
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 5: I only met him once, but the cool guy, nice guy,

1603
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 5: super nice.

1604
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:06,640
Speaker 4: I thought we were talking about you still I was

1605
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 4: gonna give you one of the coolest people in.

1606
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:11,519
Speaker 1: Not as cool as clade. I can only hope.

1607
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 2: Man oh man, Yeah, And it's true, like when you're

1608
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:22,639
Speaker 2: locked and cold and you get like that fifty five

1609
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 2: fifty eight, you're like.

1610
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:26,759
Speaker 3: Oh man, this feels nice.

1611
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,719
Speaker 2: Like this is not like I'm excited because it's gonna

1612
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 2: get up to sixty this week in Philadelphia.

1613
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 3: So it's like, oh, well, it's gonna be nice.

1614
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:37,679
Speaker 1: See sixty week in Downgrade. So it's just a hood

1615
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 1: a sweatshirt. At that point, he's like, all right, you

1616
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 1: know that it's not as bad. We can work with that.

1617
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 1: These people here be wearing shorts. I'm sure going swimming.

1618
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure swimming weather.

1619
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 2: It's like, wow, oh my god, it's gonna be incredible,

1620
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 2: like outdoors after being locked up all winter.

1621
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 3: It's like outdoors.

1622
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 2: Anyway, we got this the topic of college basketball, and

1623
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 2: so like my first like I was a child of

1624
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 2: the eighties, right, So, like when I really fell in

1625
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:15,839
Speaker 2: love with college basketball, it was during those like amazing

1626
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 2: runs and it was NC State Wolfpack over the fire

1627
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:24,720
Speaker 2: Slam Majama and the Houston Cougars were the Keem Olajuan

1628
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 2: and the Nancy State had won the ACC tournament just

1629
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:34,639
Speaker 2: to get into the NC Double as unless they wouldn't

1630
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 2: have even been in it. They had to win the

1631
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 2: conference tournament. And they got hot. And this was like

1632
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 2: Derrek Wittenberg and Sydney Lowe and these guards that were

1633
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 2: bombing away, guy named Terry Gannon, and they wound up

1634
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 2: like stunning five Slam Majama. And then after that, two

1635
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 2: years later you had Villanova stunning Georgetown and Patrick Ewing

1636
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 2: and that the mighty Hoyas. I mean, if you go

1637
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:07,480
Speaker 2: back to that leading all the way through the nineties

1638
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:11,679
Speaker 2: in Michigan Fab five and UNLV and all the Duke

1639
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 2: and everything else, like you have all Kansas and Danny

1640
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 2: Manning and all these these legendary I can go every

1641
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 2: year there was a new you know, final four of legends,

1642
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 2: and you have none of that this year, not like

1643
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 2: there's there's no final four that you would go, oh

1644
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 2: my god. And that's a problem when you're when you're

1645
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 2: always in the yesterday and never into today.

1646
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 4: I also think it's a bit of a problem. You know,

1647
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 4: we have this in football sometimes when we sit around

1648
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 4: and say, well, who's the next like, who's the star

1649
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 4: quarterback everybody wants to see? And I remember a few

1650
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 4: years ago when it felt like all the quarterbacks were injured,

1651
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 4: and you know, suddenly there were conversations about well, his

1652
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 4: interest waning and all of these things for one year

1653
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 4: because of injuries. I look at it and it's like,

1654
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 4: what do you do when your biggest star just doesn't resonate?

1655
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 4: And that's an unfortunate position to be in for college

1656
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 4: basketball because Zach ede it should be the biggest star

1657
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 4: in the sport right now. He's the best player arguably

1658
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 4: in college basketball. But a big men don't win championships,

1659
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 4: be perdue, got beat last year, and see, Zach just

1660
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 4: isn't the type of personality that people flocked to to

1661
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 4: pay attention to. So you've got this combination of you know, now,

1662
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 4: I want to live even if I want to live

1663
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 4: in the present, and even as we've discussed, if we

1664
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 4: believe that some of the brands just don't carry the equity,

1665
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,639
Speaker 4: well none of the players do, and then none of

1666
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 4: the superstars, like there aren't superstars like it just it

1667
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 4: feels like right now, even if you just barely liked

1668
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 4: college basketball a few years ago, you were introduced to

1669
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,559
Speaker 4: John Morant, and in the NCAA tournament you saw John,

1670
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:58,720
Speaker 4: you thought, man, that kid, can't wait to see him

1671
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:01,639
Speaker 4: in the NBA. Right at least there was that moment.

1672
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 4: I can't even tell you who that's supposed to be

1673
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 4: right now this year. And it's not to say that

1674
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 4: there are good players. And I'm sure that fans are

1675
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 4: gonna hit us up with the well, you're not paying

1676
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 4: attention to this guy and this guy, but isn't that

1677
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 4: the problem? Like if I'm not paying attention to him,

1678
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 4: then who the hell is? I mean, all I do

1679
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:21,759
Speaker 4: is watch sports, consume sports, read about sports, write about sports,

1680
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 4: and talk about sports. Like so if I'm not sitting

1681
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 4: here saying, oh yeah, no, I get it, who does?

1682
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 4: And that's what you've got to figure out. You got

1683
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 4: to figure out quickly for the sport, because I don't

1684
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 4: think you can remain like worse than being good or

1685
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 4: bad as being irrelevant in college college basketball right now

1686
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 4: feels irrelevant and.

1687
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 1: Usually you can manufacture someone to draw on some interest.

1688
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 1: You can't even do that, Like you can Dalton connect

1689
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 1: me to death, and he's a good shooter, but I mean,

1690
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 1: nobody's flogging to the TV to watch him play. I'm sorry,

1691
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 1: Like Terrence Shannon is talented at Illinois, and I mean

1692
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 1: his off court issues which are terrible or certainly don't

1693
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:59,799
Speaker 1: help his cause, but I mean certainly doesn't draw anybody.

1694
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 1: They're just isn't There's no one that draws you to

1695
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 1: the television set. Unfortunately, from an even from just an

1696
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 1: individual standpoint, it just doesn't do it. Even though ben

1697
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:11,000
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons played for a terrible LSU team, but people

1698
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 1: still tuned in to watch because he was supposed to

1699
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:15,839
Speaker 1: be this, you know, a Maggie Johnson type of player.

1700
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 1: Even if he didn't turn out to be that, he

1701
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 1: at least got the hype and got eyeballs. There's nobody

1702
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 1: on that level right now.

1703
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:24,800
Speaker 3: Nah, yeah, nobody, nobody close to it.

1704
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 2: So let me let me widen the conversation just a

1705
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:34,680
Speaker 2: bit and ask you guys, do we have a basketball problem?

1706
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 3: And you look at the NBA and you know, I mean,

1707
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 3: I love it.

1708
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 2: I'm like an NBA fan, but there's a lot of

1709
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 2: people that are kind of tired. We talk about what's

1710
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:50,680
Speaker 2: wrong with it constantly. That's a part of the conversation,

1711
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 2: and I just go by with people that I talk

1712
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:58,839
Speaker 2: to right like and just kind of how they feel.

1713
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 2: And I know that there's a lot of like it

1714
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 2: feels like lukewarm interests. It's not like Cole basketball, but

1715
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 2: there's lukewarm interest as compared to other years. I don't know,

1716
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:17,640
Speaker 2: are you guys feeling in that in your circles?

1717
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 1: Go ahead fits.

1718
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 4: I feel like there's a transition taking place, but it's

1719
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 4: it works itself out in the playoffs. The playoffs, so

1720
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 4: as we all know, is when everybody really starts to

1721
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 4: gravitate towards the NBA. I think the NBA has a

1722
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 4: little bit of some of the things I just talked about,

1723
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 4: like what do you do when Jokich is somebody that

1724
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:39,639
Speaker 4: you know, they're basketball peurists that just sort of rolled

1725
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 4: their eyes at the way he's playing the game. And

1726
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 4: you know, I frankly think dominance is beautiful no matter

1727
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 4: where it comes from. But the fact that your best

1728
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 4: team the last couple of years and your best player

1729
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 4: has been you know, maybe a slightly less marketable brand,

1730
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:54,720
Speaker 4: and then we're at the we're at the end of

1731
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 4: the I think there's Lebron fatigue at this point, not

1732
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:00,640
Speaker 4: only because like the only way you can back fatigue

1733
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 4: over the same story over and over again is if

1734
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 4: you continue to win championships, which doesn't look like it's

1735
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:07,640
Speaker 4: even possibly on the radar. I even think there's a

1736
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 4: little bit of Golden State fatigue, so like it feels

1737
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 4: like we're waiting for the page to turn and to

1738
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 4: find the next Oh my god. And that's why this

1739
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:18,680
Speaker 4: week there were conversations on de pay shows about who

1740
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 4: the face of the NBA is moving forward. I think

1741
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:23,759
Speaker 4: that's just because people are looking around right now and saying, Okay,

1742
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:26,639
Speaker 4: what's new and interesting in the NBA, And I don't

1743
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 4: know that that separated itself, and without something new and interesting,

1744
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 4: everybody's just going to wait to the playoffs to give

1745
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 4: it him.

1746
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess that's kind of the unfortunate part,

1747
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 1: because if you just take the league as it is

1748
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 1: in and of itself, the games on the court, I

1749
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 1: think it's been as entertaining as it has been in

1750
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 1: recent years. And if you just take a look at

1751
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:47,680
Speaker 1: the Western Conference standings, I mean six games separate one

1752
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 1: through six in the conference. I think a game and

1753
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 1: a half separates one through four. And these are not

1754
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:55,240
Speaker 1: mediocre teams. These all these teams are pushing forty wins

1755
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 1: in sixty to fifteen months. Like the product in and

1756
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:00,720
Speaker 1: of itself, I think is good and healthy. And you

1757
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 1: have stars. Anthony Edwards is great, shell give us. Alexander

1758
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:04,800
Speaker 1: is phenomenal.

1759
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:05,679
Speaker 3: Howd Burt.

1760
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 4: Watch him playing?

1761
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 3: I mean, my god.

1762
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 1: But if you're talking greater narratives, you know, and arguing

1763
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 1: about who's the face of the league, and we're getting

1764
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 1: back to the JJ Redick sort of stuff again as

1765
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 1: opposed to just separating the individual product from what just

1766
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 1: people want to talk about in debate, uh, then yeah,

1767
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 1: you might struggle a little bit. I certainly think that

1768
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: Joel and b getting injured certainly didn't help because he

1769
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:29,320
Speaker 1: was on his way to running away with the MVP

1770
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 1: award yet again, so he is one of the faces

1771
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 1: of the league. Uh So that certainly doesn't help. But

1772
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:38,800
Speaker 1: you still have excellent young players who you know, have

1773
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 1: have balled out this year and played extremely well. Now,

1774
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:44,679
Speaker 1: whether or not they're getting this sort of attention from

1775
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:46,719
Speaker 1: me from the media and getting that sort of pub

1776
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:49,840
Speaker 1: you know that that's a different discussion. But I think

1777
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 1: the league in and of itself is as healthy as

1778
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 1: it's been from just a play standpoint.

1779
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:56,720
Speaker 4: I so let me be clear, I agree with you

1780
01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:59,040
Speaker 4: when you talk about the greatness of several players. I

1781
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:01,679
Speaker 4: think the talent, the depth of talent in the NBA

1782
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 4: is incredible right now, which is part of where the

1783
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 4: league really wins. We're just waiting to see which one

1784
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:11,320
Speaker 4: of those players asserts themselves in it. Like if if

1785
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 4: we all agree that the easiest NBA conversation most of

1786
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:17,040
Speaker 4: the time is Lebron versus MJ, you've got to have

1787
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 4: somebody that is as as polarizing and as conversational as

1788
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 4: one of those guys. We're waiting for that that when

1789
01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:25,640
Speaker 4: I say face of the league as part of like

1790
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 4: somebody that people flock to to have an opinion on

1791
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:29,720
Speaker 4: one way or the other.

1792
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:32,840
Speaker 5: And look that might be that might be Victor Wimbanyama

1793
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 5: in five years.

1794
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, sure, sure sure.

1795
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 1: Because generational talents, I mean that the very word generational

1796
01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 1: means you only see them once every you know, thirty

1797
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 1: years or so. Or it's not not literal generation, but

1798
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:46,919
Speaker 1: as far as generational cycles go with the professional sports,

1799
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:49,640
Speaker 1: so like Lebron could be transitioning out and by the

1800
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, by the within the next decade. Victor Wimbanyama

1801
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 1: could be the next Lebron. Thirty years from now, we

1802
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:56,559
Speaker 1: could be throwing him in that same discussion with Lebron

1803
01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 1: and Michael Jordan. Who knows.

1804
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So here's my question to you guys. Right,

1805
01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:08,040
Speaker 2: so I still have a healthy hate for the Celtics,

1806
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 2: like I could still, like I go, I can have

1807
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 2: a ladder, I can get into a ladder row, I

1808
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:16,679
Speaker 2: can still watch them and they're a good team. And

1809
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:21,000
Speaker 2: and I tell you, like, I like Jalen Brown and

1810
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:25,599
Speaker 2: I like Tatum as just you know, as as a

1811
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:29,680
Speaker 2: basketball fan, I like those two. But I can I

1812
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:32,840
Speaker 2: can really enjoy my hate of the Celtics and root

1813
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:35,519
Speaker 2: against them. I'm with you, So I that was my

1814
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 2: question because all right, so you are Aker fan, So

1815
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:43,800
Speaker 2: you were conditioned to hate the Celtics like I was

1816
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:46,760
Speaker 2: in Philly. So we were we were both kind of

1817
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:51,360
Speaker 2: you know, and I think towards each other. There was

1818
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:54,640
Speaker 2: more of a respect than a hate for sure, and

1819
01:34:54,680 --> 01:35:00,120
Speaker 2: we both hated Boston. How like, how much is that

1820
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:04,599
Speaker 2: exist today? So like, if FIGG and I are both

1821
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:09,800
Speaker 2: like can hate the Celtics fits Fitzy, what do you think.

1822
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 3: Do you have any hatred.

1823
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:17,560
Speaker 4: No, And so I grew up a Lakers fan. I

1824
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:21,639
Speaker 4: grew up a Lakers fan, like like FIGI, and that

1825
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:25,680
Speaker 4: that died off for me, you know, years ago. I

1826
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 4: just I felt like it was just too much emotionally

1827
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:31,000
Speaker 4: to do with the Raiders and the Lakers. I picked

1828
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 4: the wrong sign on that, by the way, really should

1829
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 4: have stayed with the Lakers. But anyway, Belt for sure, Yeah,

1830
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 4: I know as a kid, I was a like especially

1831
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 4: as I mentioned, moving around so much, my Lakers fan

1832
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 4: got pretty deeply rooted for a minute because I lived

1833
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 4: in New England as a Lakers fan, which made me

1834
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:51,600
Speaker 4: just I mean, nothing's that era than being stuck in

1835
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:56,600
Speaker 4: near Boston. I just, I don't know. I think, like

1836
01:35:56,720 --> 01:36:00,640
Speaker 4: so many people, I've become more interested in the individuals

1837
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:02,759
Speaker 4: than the team, more often than not to play the sport,

1838
01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 4: and so I need villains to find somebody to root against,

1839
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:09,160
Speaker 4: and that's that's hard. Like, I don't think the Celtics

1840
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 4: really have a baked in villain right now. I'm not

1841
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 4: sure they're Like I never shared the villain opinion that

1842
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 4: so many people had of KD through throughout the process

1843
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 4: of his career, So now like I don't know. There

1844
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:22,560
Speaker 4: are there guys that certainly make my blood boil a

1845
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 4: little bit. Yeah, absolutely. The way that Draymond plays the

1846
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 4: game makes my blood boil. The way that Grayson Allen

1847
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 4: has always been from the Duke days makes me boot boil.

1848
01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 4: So there's like there are individual guys that I find

1849
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:36,559
Speaker 4: myself just like heroes and villains. I root against the villains, right,

1850
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:39,479
Speaker 4: But I know I don't. I don't have a deep

1851
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:42,839
Speaker 4: I don't have a deep emotional reaction to the Celtics

1852
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 4: at all.

1853
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:45,479
Speaker 1: And this kind of speaks to a little bit of

1854
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 1: what we're talking about with college basketball, with learning to

1855
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:49,680
Speaker 1: hate people. You know, back in the day, you can

1856
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 1: learn to hate a team. You can learn to hate

1857
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:54,720
Speaker 1: a team because you know, as a Laker fan, I

1858
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:58,280
Speaker 1: hated McHale and Bird and DJ and all those guys

1859
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 1: because I saw him every single year for ten straight years. Now,

1860
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:04,800
Speaker 1: with free agency, guys move around, guys demand trades after

1861
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 1: signing nine year contracts left and right. You don't have

1862
01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 1: the familiarity, And I think it trickles down to the

1863
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 1: players hated each other. Yes, so Charles.

1864
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:17,920
Speaker 2: Charles still talks about hating those guys, man, right, right.

1865
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 4: That's one thing that I said about the All Star Game.

1866
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 4: You know, like what everybody says, well, how do you

1867
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:24,640
Speaker 4: fix the All Star Game? You can't make players that

1868
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:28,599
Speaker 4: are genuinely friends right suddenly walk into the like they

1869
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:30,800
Speaker 4: look like a bunch of like they're the kids at

1870
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:33,439
Speaker 4: jim that are best friends in high school, and they

1871
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 4: also happen to be the best athletes and they're watching

1872
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:37,479
Speaker 4: each other dunk and they're having a good time doing it,

1873
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:40,639
Speaker 4: like they're not out there like tooth and nail fighting

1874
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 4: for it because they don't have the same rivalry that

1875
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:46,960
Speaker 4: you know, Barkley had with everybody in the league at

1876
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 4: the time, right, Like it's just it's the friendship of

1877
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 4: players is real now.

1878
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:54,479
Speaker 1: And that's where the advent of travel ball and AAU

1879
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 1: has destroyed that some somewhat, the competitive nature of the

1880
01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:01,200
Speaker 1: league because back then, you know, eyes met each other.

1881
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:02,920
Speaker 1: By the time they got to the pros, they had

1882
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 1: no idea. I mean, they knew where they were from

1883
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:07,320
Speaker 1: across you know, the country whatnot. But now these guys

1884
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 1: know are friends from fifteen years old. One guy can

1885
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:11,920
Speaker 1: grow up an acron one guy can grow up in Miami.

1886
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:14,560
Speaker 1: One guy can grow up in you know, New England.

1887
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 11: Somewhere, and then these tournaments. Yeah, they meet each other

1888
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:17,679
Speaker 11: and they're friends.

1889
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:20,320
Speaker 1: They have the same agents, even though they're not supposed

1890
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:21,720
Speaker 1: to have agents yet, but we know how this sort

1891
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 1: of stuff works. AAU coaches might as well be agents,

1892
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 1: and it all converges together. So by the time they're

1893
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:29,679
Speaker 1: twenty two to twenty three years old tearing up the league,

1894
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:33,640
Speaker 1: they're all best friends. And it kind of kills a

1895
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:36,160
Speaker 1: little bit when you were talking about animus and rivalries

1896
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:39,920
Speaker 1: within the sport, because guys, it sounds bad to say

1897
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 1: that I'm upset that guys like each other, but from

1898
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:45,800
Speaker 1: a competitive standpoint, it kind of sucks that they like

1899
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:46,240
Speaker 1: each other.

1900
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:49,000
Speaker 3: You know it does because you know what it is.

1901
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:53,519
Speaker 2: Like if you just go back into the annals of

1902
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:57,719
Speaker 2: the great hate and that would be bird Magic, right yep.

1903
01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:02,639
Speaker 2: And there was rivalry. Uh, the rivalry was like who's better?

1904
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:07,680
Speaker 2: And then Jordan comes into scene and like these great players,

1905
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:14,760
Speaker 2: you know, like it was the alpha ego, that sort

1906
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:21,040
Speaker 2: of thing. That's weird that it doesn't exist, Like Lebron

1907
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:23,719
Speaker 2: and k D should hate each other.

1908
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 3: Right right, And I don't mean like off the court

1909
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:28,599
Speaker 3: or whatever.

1910
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:33,080
Speaker 2: But like have an intense rivalry on the floor to

1911
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:35,519
Speaker 2: prove who's a better player.

1912
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:39,920
Speaker 4: I mean, who to that end, who has the competitive

1913
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:43,680
Speaker 4: instinct that Kobe had? Right now in the NBA, this

1914
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:46,600
Speaker 4: person that walks on walks on the court and was like,

1915
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:49,479
Speaker 4: I won't even look at you for the handshake. I

1916
01:39:49,479 --> 01:39:51,360
Speaker 4: don't don't even talk to me like I am I

1917
01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 4: am here to destroy you. I who is that person

1918
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:55,719
Speaker 4: in the in the current NBA?

1919
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:56,839
Speaker 3: I'll never forget.

1920
01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 2: So it's the Finals, it's Iver City Kobe, and the

1921
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:05,800
Speaker 2: before Game one, Kobe goes, I'm wanna I want to

1922
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:10,960
Speaker 2: cut the hearts out of Philadelphia and people with knots

1923
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:11,799
Speaker 2: right now.

1924
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:14,160
Speaker 3: Here's a son of the city.

1925
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:18,120
Speaker 2: They well, of course, he's a Laker playing the Sixers,

1926
01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:22,679
Speaker 2: Like that's that's what it's about, right, Like, my team's

1927
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Speaker 2: gonna come into my hometown and it just knife you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And to answer your question, fits, I don't think

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Speaker 1: that player exists right now, and I really don't.

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Speaker 4: All Star Game as well, And that's why the regular

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Speaker 4: season is what it is, and that's why load management

1932
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Speaker 4: is what it is. Like if that player doesn't exist

1933
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Speaker 4: and fans know it doesn't exist, and who's the person

1934
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Speaker 4: that kicks the whole league? And the button says, hey,

1935
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Speaker 4: and maybe maybe it doesn't need it, like to to

1936
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Speaker 4: the point we've talked about before, maybe it does it

1937
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Speaker 4: simply doesn't need it. But if that's the case, let's

1938
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Speaker 4: just accept it. That's the modern MBA. And and hey, man,

1939
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Speaker 4: you better nail the playoffs every year because people will

1940
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Speaker 4: be paying attention then for sure.

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Speaker 2: So my question we're going to take quick TiO will

1942
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Speaker 2: come right back, But I want to ask you why

1943
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Speaker 2: does it k D and Lebron and Steph?

1944
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Speaker 3: Right?

1945
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Speaker 2: Like, take those Now I know k D and stuff

1946
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Speaker 2: you know play together, but if you take those three,

1947
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Speaker 2: who are the three greatest.

1948
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Speaker 3: Players of this generation?

1949
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Speaker 2: Why don't they have a competition on who is the

1950
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Speaker 2: greatest player?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 3: Why does k D take a back seat to anybody?

1953
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Speaker 6: Like?

1954
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Speaker 2: Why why does Steph take a back seat to Lebron?

1955
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Speaker 2: Like I why isn't there this you know? Is it

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Speaker 2: the lack of ego? Think about it?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: I want to kind of discuss a little bit where

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Speaker 2: the fellas hanging right here on Fox Sports Radio. Fellas

1960
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Speaker 2: from the Tairaq dot com studios. Hey, don't forget shortly

1961
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Speaker 2: after the show. Oh, the podcast goes out right, So

1962
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Speaker 2: have you missed any of today's show?

1963
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Speaker 3: Be sure to check out the podcast.

1964
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Speaker 2: Just search Fox Sports Radio wherever you get your podcasts,

1965
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Speaker 2: and be sure to follow, rate and review the podcast. Again,

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Speaker 2: just search Fox Sports Radio wherever you get your podcasts,

1967
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Speaker 2: and you'll see this show posted right after we get

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Speaker 2: off the air. All right, do be fair fake because

1969
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Speaker 2: I blew it off the list two times? Do you

1970
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:30,519
Speaker 2: want to do some tread dick? And then I want

1971
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Speaker 2: to get into this the Superstar Battle.

1972
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Speaker 1: Sure, sure, we'll start with some NBA. There was a

1973
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Speaker 1: ten games on the slate on Friday night. We'll start

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Speaker 1: with one of those superstars. I think we're gonna talk

1975
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Speaker 1: about Lebron James miss the Lakers a last game before

1976
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Speaker 1: the All Star Break, missed their first game since the

1977
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Speaker 1: All Star Break, but interestingly played in the All Star Game. Nevertheless,

1978
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Speaker 1: he scored thirty points and had nine er says for

1979
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Speaker 1: the Lakers and a return to the lineup against the Spurs.

1980
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Speaker 1: Once three eighteen was the final, as LA did pick

1981
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Speaker 1: up the victory of the victor. Wiinbin Yama, by the way,

1982
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Speaker 1: a great stat line in a losing effort twenty seven points,

1983
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Speaker 1: ten rebounds, eight assists, five steals and five block shots.

1984
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Speaker 3: What did that get on the same game, Parlay?

1985
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Speaker 1: Who knows? I can only imagine. And the kid doesn't

1986
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:16,280
Speaker 1: even know what he's doing yet. That's the scary part,

1987
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 1: I know. Jannis Tittakompo scored thirty three points. You got

1988
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Speaker 1: Damian Lillard who also chipped in twenty one for Milwaukee.

1989
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Speaker 1: They defeated the Timberwolves one twelve to one oh seven.

1990
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Speaker 1: Minnesota's four game winning streak was snapped in that one.

1991
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Speaker 1: Nakola Jokic another triple double. They also got thirty four

1992
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Speaker 1: points from Michael Porter Junior did the Nuggets as they

1993
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:36,880
Speaker 1: beat Portland won twenty seven to one twelve. The Warriors

1994
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Speaker 1: sign hit coach Steve Kurtz with a two year contract

1995
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Speaker 1: extension before they picked up a ninety seven to eighty

1996
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Speaker 1: four victory over Charlotte. Houston defeated the Suns, who were

1997
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Speaker 1: without Bradley Beal. The final score there one fourteen to

1998
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Speaker 1: one ten. You had victories for the Clippers, Heat and

1999
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Speaker 1: seventy six ers. News out of the NFL, Dolphins will

2000
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:56,400
Speaker 1: release former All Pro cornerback Zavian Howard and defensive end

2001
01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Agba Pittsburgh released starting center Mason Cole.

2002
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Speaker 5: Back to the Fellas.

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Speaker 2: Ah right, that's us. So we are the Fellas Hagen

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Speaker 2: from the tirec dot com stitio. So here's the deal.

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Speaker 2: We're I'm just curious and I post you I post

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Speaker 2: a question to you guys, and uh, Fitzy'll start with you.

2007
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Speaker 3: Why is it that k D, Steph and Lebron.

2008
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Speaker 2: Don't have this incredible rivalry as to who's the greatest,

2009
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Speaker 2: Like if you go back to Magic and Bird and

2010
01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:39,840
Speaker 2: Jordan and then Kobe and and like, you know, listen,

2011
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Speaker 2: Kobe liked Ai Kobe and I was sent we're friends,

2012
01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:50,320
Speaker 2: but Kobe was like, you know, we're competitors when it

2013
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:52,639
Speaker 2: comes to who's who's the man.

2014
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Speaker 4: I So I thought a lot about this because you

2015
01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:59,240
Speaker 4: posted right before we went to break to try and

2016
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Speaker 4: figure out a a smart answer to it. But honestly,

2017
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Speaker 4: the more I think about it, the more I just

2018
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Speaker 4: feel like NBA players and professional athletes in general have

2019
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Speaker 4: become more and more comfortable with the fact that hey,

2020
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Speaker 4: I've made it and nobody, nobody can question that one

2021
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Speaker 4: way or the other. I'm here and I've made it,

2022
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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And so in the NBA particularly,

2023
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Speaker 4: we've seen such a change in the way players really

2024
01:45:26,040 --> 01:45:29,479
Speaker 4: approach the media, such a way the way players approach

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Speaker 4: each other. There's a if you know, you know aspect

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Speaker 4: to so much of it. It just feels like NBA

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Speaker 4: players right now understand that they're great, and they know

2028
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Speaker 4: that they're great at what they do, and they don't

2029
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Speaker 4: need validation from anybody. It's a very know you're worth

2030
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Speaker 4: world and I don't know what changes that for them.

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Speaker 4: So to your point, it feels like if you if

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Speaker 4: you get there and you have such such tremendous mutual respect. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but also just a sense of like, nah, like we've

2034
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:58,680
Speaker 4: made it, we know we're great, and we're comfortable with that. Like,

2035
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Speaker 4: I don't think NBA play in this generation right now

2036
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:05,960
Speaker 4: playing today are as championship consumed is the media that

2037
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Speaker 4: covers them. I think they're just consumed with the fact

2038
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Speaker 4: that like, hey, I'm good at what I do, and

2039
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:11,840
Speaker 4: as long as I'm good at what I do, then

2040
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Speaker 4: I don't really care what anybody else thinks. And if

2041
01:46:13,880 --> 01:46:16,840
Speaker 4: that's your approach, I don't know that you necessarily have

2042
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:19,280
Speaker 4: to have the same. You know, I will scratch and

2043
01:46:19,320 --> 01:46:21,320
Speaker 4: claw and do anything to win a championship. I think

2044
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:22,400
Speaker 4: it's just about.

2045
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Speaker 10: Yeah, but real quick, let's stay in the league. Yeah,

2046
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:31,800
Speaker 10: but less than championship and more like the quest to

2047
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:38,639
Speaker 10: be the man. Like I'm talking about singular ego of

2048
01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:42,800
Speaker 10: those players, right, like, dude, Like there.

2049
01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 2: Was no ways like I'm the freaking man. Like that

2050
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:48,439
Speaker 2: was that for the last generation.

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Speaker 4: It's been pretty clear who the man is though, right, So.

2052
01:46:51,320 --> 01:46:53,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you're KD, Kati goes.

2053
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:56,680
Speaker 2: Forget about the titles themselves, but the sure dominance of

2054
01:46:56,680 --> 01:46:58,400
Speaker 2: a player. Now, I know they all played together in

2055
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 2: the whole thing, but KD go, you know what, I'm

2056
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:04,320
Speaker 2: the freaking man. Steph Curry goes, I'm the freaking man.

2057
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

2058
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Speaker 1: Well, what hurt Kevin Durant in then argument is the

2059
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Speaker 1: fact that he joined Steph Curry. I will fly back

2060
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:11,639
Speaker 1: a little bit on what Fitz said. I can't speak

2061
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:15,040
Speaker 1: for every player. Kevin Durant absolutely cares what the outside

2062
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Speaker 1: of the world thinks of him, and I think that's

2063
01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:18,360
Speaker 1: a big reason why he went to Golden State to

2064
01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:20,800
Speaker 1: begin with, because he hurt the criticism of not being

2065
01:47:20,840 --> 01:47:22,680
Speaker 1: able to win a championship, and I do think that

2066
01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:24,720
Speaker 1: weight on him, and that's a big reason why he

2067
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:26,600
Speaker 1: went to Golden State was to win. And to a

2068
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:28,600
Speaker 1: certain degree, I think that's why Lebron James went to

2069
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:32,519
Speaker 1: Miami because he knew that, to a certain degree, his

2070
01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:35,479
Speaker 1: career would be invalidated unless he won a championship or

2071
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:37,280
Speaker 1: two or three or four or five or whatever he

2072
01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:39,120
Speaker 1: said at that parade at the time. So to a

2073
01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:41,640
Speaker 1: certain degree, I do think they the media does have

2074
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:44,920
Speaker 1: some influence and fans to a certain degree, because going

2075
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:47,679
Speaker 1: back to the Jordan Lebron debate, one thing that everybody

2076
01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:50,160
Speaker 1: puts in Jordan's favor over Lebron is six and zero

2077
01:47:50,200 --> 01:47:53,200
Speaker 1: in the finals. Being able to win championships, and championships

2078
01:47:53,240 --> 01:47:54,640
Speaker 1: are all that matter. And I do think the more

2079
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:57,280
Speaker 1: that narrative gets spouted out there, it gets used against

2080
01:47:57,280 --> 01:47:59,360
Speaker 1: a lot of players. And players are on social media,

2081
01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:01,800
Speaker 1: they see all the criticism. Why do Kevin Durant have

2082
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:04,640
Speaker 1: fifteen burner accounts? Like these guys have rabbit ears and

2083
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:07,160
Speaker 1: know exactly what's being said about them and how it

2084
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:09,840
Speaker 1: affects their legacies. So in some degrees, I do think

2085
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:13,600
Speaker 1: players like Kevin Durant. It matters, and part of the

2086
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:17,120
Speaker 1: reason that I think that it invalidates talking about Steph Curry,

2087
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:19,280
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, and Lebron James, the three of them together,

2088
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:22,680
Speaker 1: it hurts whatever potential rival why you could have had

2089
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:24,960
Speaker 1: between the three, because two of those three happened to

2090
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:25,719
Speaker 1: team up together.

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Speaker 4: Now I want to you may have changed my mind here, Figgy,

2092
01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:33,559
Speaker 4: because you're right, they do hear it. Everything you said

2093
01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:36,679
Speaker 4: is one hundred percent right as you're talking. What really

2094
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:42,720
Speaker 4: hit me is like, maybe it's just in my mind.

2095
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:46,960
Speaker 4: They don't The view of the people critiquing them is like, man,

2096
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:49,400
Speaker 4: they're all idiots. Like if you look at the way

2097
01:48:49,439 --> 01:48:51,640
Speaker 4: the NBA players right now talk about the way the

2098
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:54,840
Speaker 4: media and fans talk about the game, you don't know

2099
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:57,519
Speaker 4: ball phrase is everywhere. Even diehard fans use that to

2100
01:48:57,600 --> 01:48:59,800
Speaker 4: you if you say something they don't like. But then, like,

2101
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:02,200
Speaker 4: I can only I'll go back to my music days.

2102
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:05,519
Speaker 4: There were certain reviewers that would write a concert review

2103
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:06,840
Speaker 4: and you would read it and be like, man, you

2104
01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:09,320
Speaker 4: aren't absolute more and you don't know anything about music,

2105
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:12,080
Speaker 4: And so then I don't care what that person thinks anymore.

2106
01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:15,120
Speaker 4: I feel like what's happened right now is that many

2107
01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:17,719
Speaker 4: players and you know, I can't speak to current players,

2108
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:19,840
Speaker 4: I don't know many of them, but I definitely have

2109
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:22,639
Speaker 4: worked with plenty of guys that recently played, and there

2110
01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:25,600
Speaker 4: is a perception of like us versus them being the

2111
01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:29,479
Speaker 4: players are together against the idiot people that are covering

2112
01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:31,120
Speaker 4: the sport that aren't doing a good job. But I

2113
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:34,400
Speaker 4: think JJ's words that we talked about earlier in the show,

2114
01:49:35,439 --> 01:49:37,639
Speaker 4: they are similar to the way a lot of people

2115
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:41,000
Speaker 4: feel about how the NBA has covered Like we're in

2116
01:49:41,080 --> 01:49:44,000
Speaker 4: this spot now where Kendrick Perkins says something about a

2117
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:47,880
Speaker 4: player and players will absolutely destroy him. Like it's become

2118
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:51,760
Speaker 4: us versus instead of players going at each other, it's

2119
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Speaker 4: almost like the players have bonded together and been like, Hey,

2120
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Speaker 4: I don't really care what you guys think. I hear

2121
01:49:57,360 --> 01:49:59,439
Speaker 4: what you think. I think you're all stupid. And I

2122
01:49:59,479 --> 01:50:03,639
Speaker 4: wonder if, like if they lose some of the like yeah,

2123
01:50:03,640 --> 01:50:05,519
Speaker 4: but if we're all bonded together and agree that the

2124
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:08,240
Speaker 4: way that everybody talks about us is dumb, does that

2125
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:10,120
Speaker 4: bring us together in a way where we just like

2126
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:14,080
Speaker 4: we celebrate each other instead of trying to Instead of trying.

2127
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Speaker 3: To do isn't that natural?

2128
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:19,719
Speaker 2: Like, isn't it natural to want to have a healthy

2129
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:24,920
Speaker 2: rivalry with the elite of your profession.

2130
01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:27,840
Speaker 5: I mean, there's nothing to say that we don't must

2131
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:28,880
Speaker 5: say hate.

2132
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:31,000
Speaker 3: I'm saying, you know, I mean you have to be

2133
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:31,880
Speaker 3: bird magic.

2134
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Speaker 1: The rivalries, I think maybe to a certain degree, can exist,

2135
01:50:34,840 --> 01:50:36,800
Speaker 1: but they don't exist the way that we're used to.

2136
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Speaker 5: And I think that's what Like, I have no idea.

2137
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Speaker 1: Anthony Davis could say I can't wait to knock Yokich

2138
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:43,080
Speaker 1: out of the postseason after what, but he's not going

2139
01:50:43,160 --> 01:50:45,639
Speaker 1: to say it publicly like they did back in the day.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm sure Kevin Durant and Lebron James have

2141
01:50:49,080 --> 01:50:52,200
Speaker 1: like a healthy respect for each other and the competitive

2142
01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:54,479
Speaker 1: drive to want to win and beat each other. Sure,

2143
01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:57,639
Speaker 1: but it just doesn't manifest itself publicly like it did

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01:50:57,680 --> 01:50:59,840
Speaker 1: back in the day. And I think that that might

2145
01:50:59,880 --> 01:51:01,640
Speaker 1: be a little bit of a disconnect. I don't think

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01:51:01,680 --> 01:51:05,639
Speaker 1: that the guys are any less competitive that they were back,

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01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:06,639
Speaker 1: you know, years ago.

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Speaker 5: I just think that it just it doesn't show itself

2149
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:08,960
Speaker 5: the same.

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Speaker 1: And I think that goes back to these guys knowing

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01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:14,679
Speaker 1: each other from years ago. They're just not actual real

2152
01:51:14,720 --> 01:51:17,280
Speaker 1: life enemies like they were back then. They're just you

2153
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:19,479
Speaker 1: know what, this is our job. Our job is to

2154
01:51:19,479 --> 01:51:21,320
Speaker 1: compete against each other. When I'm on the court, I

2155
01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:23,559
Speaker 1: want to win. But I'm off the court, Well, let's

2156
01:51:23,560 --> 01:51:25,080
Speaker 1: have a barbecue at my house after the game.

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01:51:25,240 --> 01:51:27,360
Speaker 12: I want to jump in for a second. I just

2158
01:51:27,439 --> 01:51:30,640
Speaker 12: think when it comes to what Anthony mentioned about this,

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01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:35,080
Speaker 12: the three big names, they seem in my view, they

2160
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:38,559
Speaker 12: might be afraid of the reputation that they have and

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01:51:38,600 --> 01:51:42,920
Speaker 12: if they lose, like playing each other, they would be

2162
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:45,799
Speaker 12: so ashamed to lose. It would just be their ego

2163
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:48,879
Speaker 12: is so big. They don't want to be challenged because

2164
01:51:48,920 --> 01:51:52,000
Speaker 12: if they lost in a big competition, they'd be so

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01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:54,680
Speaker 12: hurt that their reputation got damaged.

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01:51:55,880 --> 01:51:58,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, someone has to win and lose anyway to it.

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01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:01,439
Speaker 1: I mean Lebron's lost to these multiple times. I mean

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01:52:01,439 --> 01:52:03,599
Speaker 1: all of his losses, with the exception of a couple,

2169
01:52:03,680 --> 01:52:06,560
Speaker 1: are to some combination of Steph and Kevin Durant in

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01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:07,439
Speaker 1: the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 12: And the other thing about this the players, It just

2172
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:14,559
Speaker 12: seems like all the players are just nice to each other.

2173
01:52:14,680 --> 01:52:19,080
Speaker 12: No one wants to verbally say I'm going to rip

2174
01:52:19,160 --> 01:52:21,800
Speaker 12: your heart out the way Kobe used to say, the

2175
01:52:21,880 --> 01:52:25,920
Speaker 12: way other players said Jordan used to talk with them.

2176
01:52:26,360 --> 01:52:30,160
Speaker 12: No one has such an ego, a regular ego, a

2177
01:52:30,160 --> 01:52:34,240
Speaker 12: healthy ego that says I'm better than you, my team

2178
01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:36,599
Speaker 12: is better than yours, and we are going to make

2179
01:52:36,640 --> 01:52:41,080
Speaker 12: you go home and cry. No one's able to voice

2180
01:52:41,120 --> 01:52:44,840
Speaker 12: those things anymore because it seems like everybody wants to

2181
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:48,280
Speaker 12: be nice to each other, and that doesn't seem to,

2182
01:52:49,080 --> 01:52:53,080
Speaker 12: in my opinion, make the fans like their teams. Because

2183
01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:56,320
Speaker 12: everybody's gonna be nice. Almost everybody gets the trophy. It's

2184
01:52:56,360 --> 01:52:59,559
Speaker 12: just weird how everybody's so nice to each other. There's

2185
01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:05,200
Speaker 12: no competition that bring that breeds the kind of anger

2186
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:09,360
Speaker 12: that show each other competition.

2187
01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:12,240
Speaker 2: It's interesting, Mark, because money marks through this to me

2188
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:14,200
Speaker 2: off the air, say it on the air.

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01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:19,080
Speaker 3: Ben It's it's interesting like the the mean He's like,

2190
01:53:19,160 --> 01:53:20,120
Speaker 3: nobody's mean.

2191
01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:24,880
Speaker 5: And the guys who are Raymon one exception, Raymond Green.

2193
01:53:24,720 --> 01:53:27,439
Speaker 1: And Dylan Brooks, guys who don't matter for lack of

2194
01:53:27,560 --> 01:53:29,599
Speaker 1: I mean, Raymond's solid in the role that he plays

2195
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:32,080
Speaker 1: for that team, but in the grand scheme, those guys

2196
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:33,400
Speaker 1: are moving the needle for anybody.

2197
01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:38,160
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe I'm totally wrong, y'all, but like I don't

2198
01:53:38,200 --> 01:53:40,360
Speaker 4: know to the whole point of like I want to

2199
01:53:40,360 --> 01:53:43,080
Speaker 4: be the man if I was in the NBA today

2200
01:53:43,160 --> 01:53:45,519
Speaker 4: and I have watched the person that was clearly the

2201
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 4: man for his generation be absolutely you know what on

2202
01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:52,599
Speaker 4: every single time because it's this constant comparison. He can't

2203
01:53:52,640 --> 01:53:55,200
Speaker 4: win no matter how good he is, and like everybody

2204
01:53:55,240 --> 01:53:57,240
Speaker 4: has something to say about it, and it's all kind

2205
01:53:57,280 --> 01:54:00,160
Speaker 4: of stupid and uninformed. There's the spot for me. I

2206
01:54:00,160 --> 01:54:02,519
Speaker 4: wouldn't care about that anymore. It's like, Hey, I just

2207
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:04,439
Speaker 4: want to I just want to play basketball and like

2208
01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:08,040
Speaker 4: do my thing. Like there's nothing I can you know

2209
01:54:08,040 --> 01:54:11,240
Speaker 4: what I mean, Like I maybe that's oversimplification, but you know,

2210
01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:14,040
Speaker 4: I just there's no way that I would. I wouldn't

2211
01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:16,000
Speaker 4: care about being the man if I watched the person

2212
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:17,960
Speaker 4: that was clearly the best player of his generation be

2213
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:18,880
Speaker 4: doubted at every turn.

2214
01:54:20,439 --> 01:54:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's not I think you're I think you

2215
01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:28,360
Speaker 2: blur the media and the competitiveness.

2216
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:31,880
Speaker 1: I just think part of he'll be favorite.

2217
01:54:31,880 --> 01:54:33,800
Speaker 2: Because we got to take a quick time out, Let's

2218
01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:37,320
Speaker 2: let's continue the fun conversation where the fellas right here

2219
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:43,879
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio, all right, fellas hanging from the Tyraq

2220
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:48,600
Speaker 2: dot Com studios. So it's a really interesting conversation. Uh

2221
01:54:48,680 --> 01:54:51,520
Speaker 2: I checked in with me throwing the break and I

2222
01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:53,920
Speaker 2: want you to share it with the rest of the guys.

2223
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:56,800
Speaker 2: But uh, Fitz, it's interesting.

2224
01:54:58,040 --> 01:54:59,600
Speaker 3: Is it more that.

2225
01:55:01,160 --> 01:55:04,480
Speaker 2: Like I don't know that it's a blur of the

2226
01:55:04,720 --> 01:55:09,480
Speaker 2: media as much as well, I guess I'm talking about

2227
01:55:09,480 --> 01:55:15,160
Speaker 2: more the ego of wanting to be the.

2228
01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:18,040
Speaker 3: Greatest or wanting to best.

2229
01:55:18,200 --> 01:55:22,040
Speaker 2: Like like there was one guy and I give one

2230
01:55:22,040 --> 01:55:24,440
Speaker 2: of our listeners states to cake Dom and we give

2231
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:28,760
Speaker 2: him a YO, what I love He said this. One

2232
01:55:28,760 --> 01:55:31,680
Speaker 2: of the reasons why I love Joel Embiid is Joel Embiid.

2233
01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:36,560
Speaker 2: He doesn't care man like he's He's like, I want

2234
01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:39,920
Speaker 2: to be the greatest and I'm not backing down and

2235
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:43,720
Speaker 2: I'll talk about anybody, and that's what it is. And

2236
01:55:44,200 --> 01:55:48,720
Speaker 2: he has a good, healthy rivalry with players, right.

2237
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:52,600
Speaker 4: Well, yes, and I think you know we've seen some

2238
01:55:52,680 --> 01:55:55,560
Speaker 4: of that over the years from Jannis as well. The

2239
01:55:55,680 --> 01:55:58,400
Speaker 4: difference and I'm not sitting here like I've never wanted

2240
01:55:58,400 --> 01:56:01,040
Speaker 4: to sit here and blame the media for anything. I

2241
01:56:01,080 --> 01:56:06,760
Speaker 4: think my point is when you believe that you're gonna lose,

2242
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:08,920
Speaker 4: lose with the way everything's gonna be talked about it anyway,

2243
01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:11,280
Speaker 4: you just don't talk about it. So like I still

2244
01:56:11,480 --> 01:56:13,280
Speaker 4: when we hear these guys miked up, and when you

2245
01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:15,600
Speaker 4: hear what they're talking to each other and saying, I

2246
01:56:15,600 --> 01:56:19,200
Speaker 4: think behind closed doors, NBA players are the most competitive

2247
01:56:19,200 --> 01:56:22,120
Speaker 4: in the world. Like they are trash talking everybody every

2248
01:56:22,160 --> 01:56:25,560
Speaker 4: single second of the day. It's just then the minute

2249
01:56:25,640 --> 01:56:29,000
Speaker 4: the game, like it doesn't have the same negative killer instinct.

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01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:32,480
Speaker 4: It's friends trash talking each other and then they look around.

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01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:35,600
Speaker 4: And I don't think that that necessarily makes it off

2252
01:56:35,600 --> 01:56:37,880
Speaker 4: the court, you know, the minute the minute game ends,

2253
01:56:37,880 --> 01:56:40,280
Speaker 4: it's just like, okay, see again tomorrow. There we go, Like,

2254
01:56:40,640 --> 01:56:42,320
Speaker 4: you know, like you're trash talk and your Buddi's in

2255
01:56:42,360 --> 01:56:46,080
Speaker 4: the gym. There's these the friendships and connections that the

2256
01:56:46,120 --> 01:56:48,200
Speaker 4: players have I think runs deeper than any of that.

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01:56:48,240 --> 01:56:50,600
Speaker 4: And when I say the media, it's just like, I'm

2258
01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:53,360
Speaker 4: not sure there's a win anymore for players coming out

2259
01:56:53,400 --> 01:56:57,040
Speaker 4: and even if they think they're the best, Like, what's

2260
01:56:57,040 --> 01:56:59,880
Speaker 4: the point in even portraying that anymore? It just doesn't

2261
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:02,560
Speaker 4: like it's part of NBA culture the way that you know,

2262
01:57:02,600 --> 01:57:03,640
Speaker 4: they even want to be seen.

2263
01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and guys just don't get into consentious, you know,

2264
01:57:07,960 --> 01:57:10,800
Speaker 1: especially star players anymore like this. I remember one of

2265
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:13,120
Speaker 1: the old documentaries with Michael Jordan. He was talking about

2266
01:57:13,160 --> 01:57:15,520
Speaker 1: Patrick Ewing being one of his best friends. But they

2267
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:17,520
Speaker 1: almost got into a couple of fights because they had

2268
01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:20,120
Speaker 1: such you know, intense games in the postseason with the

2269
01:57:20,160 --> 01:57:22,840
Speaker 1: Knicks and the and Chicago. That's not think style of

2270
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:25,240
Speaker 1: play also probably has an effect on it too. You

2271
01:57:25,240 --> 01:57:27,440
Speaker 1: don't have guys Joe driving into the paint, dunking on

2272
01:57:27,560 --> 01:57:30,280
Speaker 1: each other and having hard physical fouls like you have

2273
01:57:30,440 --> 01:57:34,720
Speaker 1: back in the day. Like who's Steph Curry with Steph

2274
01:57:34,760 --> 01:57:35,520
Speaker 1: gonna mix it up with?

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01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:35,800
Speaker 3: You know?

2276
01:57:36,240 --> 01:57:38,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, like what let me ask you a question though,

2277
01:57:39,120 --> 01:57:45,440
Speaker 2: when STEP's going wild from three right, he's rained threes? Like,

2278
01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:50,640
Speaker 2: doesn't that make you doesn't if you're if you're played

2279
01:57:50,680 --> 01:57:53,920
Speaker 2: against them, like that's kind of make you seethe.

2280
01:57:54,080 --> 01:57:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure it does.

2281
01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:56,200
Speaker 5: I'm sure it does.

2282
01:57:56,280 --> 01:58:00,480
Speaker 3: You know, dude, dude, you know what I'm walking up.

2283
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:05,680
Speaker 2: There's a man there is a nastiness like a like

2284
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:09,520
Speaker 2: I want to beat you and I don't know.

2285
01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:12,440
Speaker 1: I've never gotten since that Lebron has ever expressed that

2286
01:58:12,480 --> 01:58:14,800
Speaker 1: he didn't want to beat him. You know, now, he

2287
01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:17,880
Speaker 1: might his words or be contentious about it, but it's

2288
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:19,440
Speaker 1: not like it's not like he's not trying to go

2289
01:58:19,480 --> 01:58:22,360
Speaker 1: out there and be dominant too in his own way.

2290
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:25,360
Speaker 4: Your point earlier was when we mentioned a couple of

2291
01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:29,640
Speaker 4: guys that are contentious, Dylan Brooks, Draymond.

2292
01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:32,320
Speaker 3: It beats that way.

2293
01:58:32,680 --> 01:58:35,560
Speaker 4: They happen to be guys that play more physically like

2294
01:58:35,600 --> 01:58:37,560
Speaker 4: to the point that you just made like they're guys

2295
01:58:37,560 --> 01:58:42,040
Speaker 4: that I don't know, do you. If you're just playing

2296
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:45,400
Speaker 4: against Steph Curry and he's raining from everywhere and you

2297
01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:47,360
Speaker 4: can't stop him, you can get it. You can get

2298
01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:49,480
Speaker 4: a hand up in a face, But when you're shooting

2299
01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:52,440
Speaker 4: the way that the league shoots now, and when the

2300
01:58:52,520 --> 01:58:54,600
Speaker 4: game is played the way the game is played, it's

2301
01:58:54,640 --> 01:58:56,800
Speaker 4: not like you can even make the physical contact to

2302
01:58:56,840 --> 01:58:58,520
Speaker 4: get any of that. So you just get into a

2303
01:58:59,080 --> 01:59:01,720
Speaker 4: game of horse. It's a game of all, right, steps

2304
01:59:01,720 --> 01:59:03,400
Speaker 4: on fire, let me see if I can outshoot him.

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01:59:03,560 --> 01:59:07,000
Speaker 4: I just that's a much different even tone in the

2306
01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:09,720
Speaker 4: way that you're gonna feel about somebody in your competitiveness,

2307
01:59:09,800 --> 01:59:13,200
Speaker 4: because it's not you know, somebody backing somebody up against

2308
01:59:13,200 --> 01:59:14,680
Speaker 4: and try and take him down to the rem Yeah.

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01:59:14,680 --> 01:59:17,120
Speaker 3: I think that's a great point. That's a great point.

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01:59:17,400 --> 01:59:18,760
Speaker 3: What about meanness?

2311
01:59:20,840 --> 01:59:21,600
Speaker 4: Like edge?

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01:59:23,480 --> 01:59:26,400
Speaker 2: We're rejust and I mean, I mean, I know the answer,

2313
01:59:26,440 --> 01:59:29,760
Speaker 2: but I guess this is I'm answering my own question.

2314
01:59:29,880 --> 01:59:34,560
Speaker 2: But maybe you have a different view. Are we just

2315
01:59:34,680 --> 01:59:38,160
Speaker 2: not as edgy where we just edgier back then?

2316
01:59:39,520 --> 01:59:39,800
Speaker 3: Maybe?

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01:59:39,880 --> 01:59:41,800
Speaker 1: I guess it depends on what your definition of an

2318
01:59:41,920 --> 01:59:47,120
Speaker 1: edge is, like, you know, just meanness.

2319
01:59:45,560 --> 01:59:49,880
Speaker 2: Like not mugging as much as just mean like Jordan

2320
01:59:50,040 --> 01:59:51,320
Speaker 2: was was just nasty.

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01:59:52,040 --> 01:59:55,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he expressed it. But I mean, does Nicola

2322
01:59:55,600 --> 01:59:58,080
Speaker 1: Jokic not have a mean streak because he doesn't express it?

2323
01:59:58,120 --> 02:00:01,000
Speaker 1: Because I'd say his style of play certainly expresses it

2324
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:03,520
Speaker 1: with with a certain level of dominance, you know that's

2325
02:00:03,560 --> 02:00:06,480
Speaker 1: fair when they when they when they delight shines bright.

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02:00:07,880 --> 02:00:11,160
Speaker 3: With demonstrativeness is part of his personalities.

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02:00:11,200 --> 02:00:12,840
Speaker 4: They don't have that, like does.

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02:00:12,760 --> 02:00:13,440
Speaker 3: It like that?

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02:00:13,800 --> 02:00:14,880
Speaker 1: But is it necessary?

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02:00:15,760 --> 02:00:15,840
Speaker 7: Not?

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02:00:16,200 --> 02:00:16,520
Speaker 3: It's not.

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02:00:16,600 --> 02:00:19,120
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's good or bad or you know,

2333
02:00:19,240 --> 02:00:23,000
Speaker 2: I'm just saying does it exist it? Does it still exist.

2334
02:00:23,880 --> 02:00:26,960
Speaker 1: I'd say Embiids to a certain degree has it unless

2335
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:30,560
Speaker 1: he doesn't play well in game seven. But I mean, wait, wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: hold on fellas.

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Speaker 2: get back to it, because I just did in love

2355
02:01:25,440 --> 02:01:29,480
Speaker 2: with this, and that is the College Football twenty five

2356
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:34,000
Speaker 2: which will be out we believe sometime in July, the

2357
02:01:34,120 --> 02:01:37,040
Speaker 2: new video game for EA Sports College Football twenty four

2358
02:01:37,560 --> 02:01:40,600
Speaker 2: twenty five. Cannot wait for it, and it's gonna be incredible.

2359
02:01:41,880 --> 02:01:44,440
Speaker 2: We're geeking out over it. So we got into that

2360
02:01:44,480 --> 02:01:46,680
Speaker 2: We're to have a lot of baseball tech that's coming.

2361
02:01:46,720 --> 02:01:50,040
Speaker 2: It's really kind of cool. I love a sports tech

2362
02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:52,959
Speaker 2: a lot. Again, really, it's it's one of my hobbies.

2363
02:01:53,360 --> 02:01:57,640
Speaker 2: And uh, we get into the college basketball and what's

2364
02:01:57,640 --> 02:01:59,720
Speaker 2: wrong with it and the lack of facing, and we

2365
02:01:59,800 --> 02:02:04,480
Speaker 2: turn and into basketball period and the NBA, and we

2366
02:02:04,600 --> 02:02:06,640
Speaker 2: got on this subject at the end of the last

2367
02:02:06,680 --> 02:02:15,240
Speaker 2: hour about the teeth, like why did the Jordan Kobe

2368
02:02:16,240 --> 02:02:22,400
Speaker 2: Bird magic. There was a meanness that especially Jordan Bird

2369
02:02:22,520 --> 02:02:27,840
Speaker 2: Kobe all had a nasty side, a nasty streak of

2370
02:02:28,040 --> 02:02:33,680
Speaker 2: meanness about them that the stars today don't really have.

2371
02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:41,560
Speaker 2: So the fig you were talking about my boy indeed to.

2372
02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:43,400
Speaker 1: Hit you with the Kevin Harlem between the eyes.

2373
02:02:45,800 --> 02:02:49,720
Speaker 3: I got marked in my ear. You're you're you're dotting

2374
02:02:49,760 --> 02:02:51,640
Speaker 3: my eye with my boy.

2375
02:02:52,320 --> 02:02:56,000
Speaker 2: Because I am an abashedly an emband fan. I don't

2376
02:02:56,040 --> 02:02:56,840
Speaker 2: care what anybody says.

2377
02:02:56,880 --> 02:02:57,240
Speaker 3: I love.

2378
02:02:59,560 --> 02:03:02,880
Speaker 2: I love guy I do, and I love his personality.

2379
02:03:02,920 --> 02:03:05,760
Speaker 2: I think the dude is Uh. I find him highly

2380
02:03:05,880 --> 02:03:11,080
Speaker 2: entertaining and a remarkable player, and I love like I

2381
02:03:11,280 --> 02:03:13,560
Speaker 2: missed him, and and I love Max.

2382
02:03:13,600 --> 02:03:15,839
Speaker 3: He took it, you know, being in Philly and the Sixers.

2383
02:03:17,160 --> 02:03:20,360
Speaker 2: But I miss when he's not when he's not playing

2384
02:03:20,440 --> 02:03:23,600
Speaker 2: man and I get to watch Maxie and Bean in

2385
02:03:23,640 --> 02:03:26,879
Speaker 2: a two man game. I'm I like, enjoy my local squad.

2386
02:03:27,480 --> 02:03:30,440
Speaker 2: I just enjoy that kind of basketball. But we talk

2387
02:03:30,520 --> 02:03:34,600
Speaker 2: about a meanness and Fitzy, you got into it and

2388
02:03:34,640 --> 02:03:37,600
Speaker 2: you were you were like, listen, they don't need to

2389
02:03:37,640 --> 02:03:42,680
Speaker 2: be mean like that part of it doesn't need to be.

2390
02:03:44,240 --> 02:03:47,880
Speaker 3: An attribute up to day star, I.

2391
02:03:48,200 --> 02:03:51,800
Speaker 4: Still go back to thinking that guys in the league

2392
02:03:51,880 --> 02:03:55,640
Speaker 4: right now believe that, Hey, like, nothing I'm gonna say

2393
02:03:55,960 --> 02:03:57,720
Speaker 4: is going to change anybody's mind, not if I'm the

2394
02:03:57,760 --> 02:04:00,520
Speaker 4: best of guys that know no right, So, like, I

2395
02:04:00,840 --> 02:04:03,040
Speaker 4: don't know that they don't have the fight because certainly,

2396
02:04:03,160 --> 02:04:05,760
Speaker 4: again if you if you hear these guys miked up,

2397
02:04:05,880 --> 02:04:08,480
Speaker 4: you hear them talking so much smacky, you know they care.

2398
02:04:09,160 --> 02:04:12,280
Speaker 4: I just don't know that there is necessarily the I

2399
02:04:12,400 --> 02:04:14,520
Speaker 4: have to be the greatest of all time drive for

2400
02:04:14,560 --> 02:04:17,920
Speaker 4: a lot of athletes. I wonder though, too, like our

2401
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:20,440
Speaker 4: athletes at some level, even if you think it, are

2402
02:04:20,440 --> 02:04:23,040
Speaker 4: you so conditioned to saying the right things that you

2403
02:04:23,080 --> 02:04:25,360
Speaker 4: wouldn't even admit it if you were like as you

2404
02:04:25,440 --> 02:04:28,320
Speaker 4: were talking, I kept thinking about all sports. Like, if

2405
02:04:28,360 --> 02:04:30,560
Speaker 4: you go up to the NFL right now and say

2406
02:04:30,600 --> 02:04:32,600
Speaker 4: who's the best to you know, who's the best pass

2407
02:04:32,680 --> 02:04:34,880
Speaker 4: rusher in the league, guys are going to defer to

2408
02:04:34,960 --> 02:04:37,400
Speaker 4: other guys. If you go wide receiver, might be the

2409
02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:40,040
Speaker 4: only exception where each guy's gonna you know, wide receivers

2410
02:04:40,120 --> 02:04:42,480
Speaker 4: wide receivers, I'm the best, right But even if you

2411
02:04:42,520 --> 02:04:45,200
Speaker 4: go to Mahomes, like Mahomes isn't out here making a

2412
02:04:45,240 --> 02:04:47,280
Speaker 4: statement to anybody of hey, like I'm the best player

2413
02:04:47,280 --> 02:04:49,040
Speaker 4: in the NFL. You just need to get in line.

2414
02:04:49,240 --> 02:04:52,280
Speaker 3: He's not mean either, No, no, no.

2415
02:04:52,360 --> 02:04:53,760
Speaker 1: I think he's a.

2416
02:04:53,680 --> 02:04:57,480
Speaker 3: Great, great player. But Brady was. Brady was mean. He

2417
02:04:57,480 --> 02:04:59,720
Speaker 3: had a mean street, and I.

2418
02:04:59,680 --> 02:05:02,480
Speaker 4: Don't I think that that same even you know, like

2419
02:05:02,520 --> 02:05:04,560
Speaker 4: I would argue, and I say this with love. We

2420
02:05:04,600 --> 02:05:06,400
Speaker 4: both have a friendship with him. Like I'd argue that

2421
02:05:06,440 --> 02:05:08,880
Speaker 4: Max Crossby's got a mean streak. I think that's pretty

2422
02:05:08,960 --> 02:05:12,560
Speaker 4: pretty fair. But when you see the way he interacts

2423
02:05:12,560 --> 02:05:15,200
Speaker 4: with other players off the field, it's all love and

2424
02:05:15,240 --> 02:05:18,520
Speaker 4: all respect. And he's also somebody that when he doesn't

2425
02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:20,360
Speaker 4: win Defensive Player of the Year, instead of coming out

2426
02:05:20,400 --> 02:05:22,040
Speaker 4: and saying I'm the best, he comes out and says

2427
02:05:22,040 --> 02:05:24,720
Speaker 4: still work to be doing. Like I think we're in

2428
02:05:24,720 --> 02:05:27,960
Speaker 4: a generation of athletes that have been, you know, conditioned

2429
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:31,160
Speaker 4: since eighth grade to sit in front of somebody and

2430
02:05:31,200 --> 02:05:32,880
Speaker 4: say all of the right things of what we're just

2431
02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:34,400
Speaker 4: going to take it one day at a time. And

2432
02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:37,520
Speaker 4: you know, so, I don't know, like have we sort

2433
02:05:37,560 --> 02:05:40,240
Speaker 4: of have we sort of numbed the I'm going to

2434
02:05:40,320 --> 02:05:43,400
Speaker 4: be the greatest that ever lived conversation from you know,

2435
02:05:43,600 --> 02:05:46,040
Speaker 4: even if you're in seventh grade, right you have kids,

2436
02:05:46,360 --> 02:05:48,880
Speaker 4: you think, like, what's supposed to matter more to the

2437
02:05:48,920 --> 02:05:52,080
Speaker 4: kids being the best that ever lived? Winning championships? Like,

2438
02:05:52,120 --> 02:05:54,440
Speaker 4: I don't know, Like, so I wonder if we've just

2439
02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:56,960
Speaker 4: sort of conditioned this out of modern athletes.

2440
02:05:57,040 --> 02:06:01,360
Speaker 2: Wow, that's that's the So all.

2441
02:06:01,280 --> 02:06:04,800
Speaker 12: Your players have to be nice all the time, because

2442
02:06:04,840 --> 02:06:11,480
Speaker 12: if I see two players swapping jerseys at the end

2443
02:06:11,520 --> 02:06:15,040
Speaker 12: of a game, Look, I'll be your friend at the

2444
02:06:15,200 --> 02:06:17,600
Speaker 12: end of the season. I'm not your friend right now.

2445
02:06:17,680 --> 02:06:20,080
Speaker 12: I'm your competitor. I want to beat your brains out,

2446
02:06:20,160 --> 02:06:23,320
Speaker 12: you want to beat my brains out. I'm not swatching

2447
02:06:23,560 --> 02:06:25,160
Speaker 12: swapping jerseys with you right now.

2448
02:06:25,760 --> 02:06:28,640
Speaker 4: But start to doesn't it start to make sense I'm

2449
02:06:28,640 --> 02:06:31,680
Speaker 4: with you, but doesn't it start to make sense at

2450
02:06:31,720 --> 02:06:34,920
Speaker 4: some point, like, look, that's how I think players feel

2451
02:06:34,920 --> 02:06:36,760
Speaker 4: when the game's going on. We all know that the

2452
02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:39,280
Speaker 4: minute of the whistle blows like everybody's going at each

2453
02:06:39,280 --> 02:06:42,000
Speaker 4: other with everything they got in those situations. But I

2454
02:06:42,040 --> 02:06:45,360
Speaker 4: think they're just smarter about turning that on and off.

2455
02:06:45,440 --> 02:06:50,520
Speaker 12: So I think current day gives players a hard time

2456
02:06:50,800 --> 02:06:54,960
Speaker 12: for speaking their mind about being competitive. If I say

2457
02:06:54,960 --> 02:06:57,120
Speaker 12: I'm the best, oh, you shouldn't do that, and you

2458
02:06:57,240 --> 02:07:01,160
Speaker 12: got hundreds of people calling you well for saying that

2459
02:07:01,240 --> 02:07:03,720
Speaker 12: you're confident and you know that you're the best player,

2460
02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:06,360
Speaker 12: or you think you're the best player. I'm not saying

2461
02:07:06,600 --> 02:07:10,720
Speaker 12: that person is the best, but the idea is I'm

2462
02:07:10,760 --> 02:07:14,320
Speaker 12: the best, and when until you beat me, i'm the best.

2463
02:07:14,680 --> 02:07:17,480
Speaker 12: I know I'm great, We're all great, we've all made

2464
02:07:17,480 --> 02:07:20,520
Speaker 12: it to that point. But I'm saying I'm the best.

2465
02:07:20,800 --> 02:07:26,720
Speaker 12: And my example is Kobe would tell either his teammates,

2466
02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:29,560
Speaker 12: I need you to be here early or to practice

2467
02:07:29,600 --> 02:07:33,320
Speaker 12: early with me, or we should have the same mentality

2468
02:07:33,800 --> 02:07:38,720
Speaker 12: to win and not just give in and be nice.

2469
02:07:38,960 --> 02:07:43,960
Speaker 12: We should be competitors and we want our team to win,

2470
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:45,240
Speaker 12: and you not to win.

2471
02:07:47,440 --> 02:07:53,280
Speaker 2: It's so interesting, man, Like, so the Mighty Mark brings

2472
02:07:53,320 --> 02:07:59,600
Speaker 2: it as like a negative that you know, what's wrong

2473
02:07:59,680 --> 02:08:02,440
Speaker 2: with that competitive spirit?

2474
02:08:03,720 --> 02:08:07,520
Speaker 3: And is that is.

2475
02:08:09,400 --> 02:08:13,400
Speaker 2: The fact that that it's wrong, Like we have a

2476
02:08:13,400 --> 02:08:15,720
Speaker 2: society deemed that wrong?

2477
02:08:16,000 --> 02:08:18,400
Speaker 3: Is that right? I'll ask you, fake.

2478
02:08:20,600 --> 02:08:22,840
Speaker 5: I don't think to a certain degree, I guess.

2479
02:08:22,920 --> 02:08:25,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I go back to the example that of

2480
02:08:25,440 --> 02:08:28,280
Speaker 1: Max Crosby that fits used, you know, because he's a

2481
02:08:28,280 --> 02:08:29,760
Speaker 1: guy that could turn it on and off. And there

2482
02:08:29,800 --> 02:08:31,480
Speaker 1: was a game I believe it was against Kansas City

2483
02:08:31,520 --> 02:08:33,880
Speaker 1: where he was miked up and this guy is just

2484
02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:36,760
Speaker 1: going the entire game, he's talking trash to my homes.

2485
02:08:36,800 --> 02:08:38,840
Speaker 1: He's talking trash to the left tack at least talk.

2486
02:08:39,320 --> 02:08:41,360
Speaker 1: Then after the game he's dapping them up and say, oh, man,

2487
02:08:41,360 --> 02:08:43,680
Speaker 1: say what's up to the family. Like that's just kind

2488
02:08:43,720 --> 02:08:45,880
Speaker 1: of where it is now. Guys have the it's theater.

2489
02:08:46,000 --> 02:08:50,040
Speaker 1: It's almost like the bastion of entertainment. Once the lights

2490
02:08:50,040 --> 02:08:52,240
Speaker 1: turn on and we're between the lines, we're playing, and

2491
02:08:52,280 --> 02:08:54,120
Speaker 1: then once the lights turn off and the game is

2492
02:08:54,160 --> 02:08:57,240
Speaker 1: over and the clockheads zeros, I'm a guy with a family,

2493
02:08:57,320 --> 02:08:59,520
Speaker 1: you're a guy with a family. We just did our jobs,

2494
02:08:59,600 --> 02:09:01,240
Speaker 1: and we're going to go back home and do our thing,

2495
02:09:01,360 --> 02:09:03,640
Speaker 1: will be cordial to each other. I don't think there's

2496
02:09:03,640 --> 02:09:04,400
Speaker 1: anything wrong with that.

2497
02:09:05,000 --> 02:09:08,680
Speaker 4: Think about the past Rush Seminar, like the tight End Seminar. Right,

2498
02:09:09,240 --> 02:09:12,840
Speaker 4: these are guys telling you that you know, you've got

2499
02:09:12,880 --> 02:09:15,920
Speaker 4: the biggest you've got. You know at the time von

2500
02:09:16,000 --> 02:09:18,040
Speaker 4: Miller coming in and saying, I want to help every

2501
02:09:18,120 --> 02:09:21,280
Speaker 4: pass rusher in the league get better, which included Max right. Like,

2502
02:09:21,640 --> 02:09:24,040
Speaker 4: so you talk about guys that play against each other

2503
02:09:24,160 --> 02:09:27,440
Speaker 4: every single Sunday are sitting there for you know, a

2504
02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:31,000
Speaker 4: week and helping each other get better at their their

2505
02:09:31,040 --> 02:09:34,080
Speaker 4: respective craft because at the end of the day, the

2506
02:09:34,200 --> 02:09:37,840
Speaker 4: respect that they have for each other, Like, I genuinely

2507
02:09:37,880 --> 02:09:41,600
Speaker 4: think what we forget sometimes as a population is that

2508
02:09:43,000 --> 02:09:46,400
Speaker 4: athletes that that that have reached the one percent understand

2509
02:09:46,440 --> 02:09:48,520
Speaker 4: that they are in the one percent. In the true

2510
02:09:48,520 --> 02:09:50,480
Speaker 4: brotherhood they have with the guys that they're playing with

2511
02:09:50,880 --> 02:09:52,839
Speaker 4: is something that matters more than anything.

2512
02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:53,200
Speaker 3: Right.

2513
02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:56,760
Speaker 4: So, the amount of mutual respect, And maybe it's because

2514
02:09:57,160 --> 02:09:59,080
Speaker 4: they do share more in the grind on the way up.

2515
02:09:59,120 --> 02:10:02,520
Speaker 4: Maybe it's because because they do like they see each

2516
02:10:02,520 --> 02:10:04,920
Speaker 4: other's process more on the way up, I don't know,

2517
02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:07,640
Speaker 4: but I think that there's just a different level of

2518
02:10:08,400 --> 02:10:10,840
Speaker 4: like right now, they'll talk all the trash during the game,

2519
02:10:10,880 --> 02:10:13,000
Speaker 4: but when the game's not going on, it is truly

2520
02:10:13,040 --> 02:10:15,280
Speaker 4: all love and respect and like, hey, you know, say

2521
02:10:15,320 --> 02:10:17,600
Speaker 4: hey to the family for me. Like, we live in

2522
02:10:17,640 --> 02:10:21,600
Speaker 4: a world where you've got fans leaving stadiums in arenas

2523
02:10:21,600 --> 02:10:24,280
Speaker 4: that are beating each other up, and in that same game,

2524
02:10:24,560 --> 02:10:26,600
Speaker 4: the actual people who were on the field are on

2525
02:10:26,680 --> 02:10:28,840
Speaker 4: the court that impacted the game and whose lives are

2526
02:10:28,840 --> 02:10:32,000
Speaker 4: impacted by the result, are swapping jerseys and slapping.

2527
02:10:31,720 --> 02:10:35,840
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, you're right guy.

2528
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:39,120
Speaker 2: So Aan brings something along those lines up to me

2529
02:10:39,360 --> 02:10:42,839
Speaker 2: during the break in our producer go ahead, Ian.

2530
02:10:42,960 --> 02:10:46,240
Speaker 13: Well, yeah, I just think it adds so much when

2531
02:10:46,320 --> 02:10:49,360
Speaker 13: guys genuinely dislike each other. And it's true that that's

2532
02:10:49,560 --> 02:10:52,840
Speaker 13: you know, gone downhill a lot, but you know, in

2533
02:10:52,920 --> 02:10:55,680
Speaker 13: the rare instance where they actually do seem to genuinely

2534
02:10:55,680 --> 02:10:57,560
Speaker 13: dislike each other, like if you look at Mike Evans

2535
02:10:57,600 --> 02:11:00,920
Speaker 13: and Marshawn Lattimore, Like whenever the Bus and Saints go

2536
02:11:00,960 --> 02:11:03,360
Speaker 13: to play each other, people tune in for that matchup

2537
02:11:03,400 --> 02:11:06,560
Speaker 13: alone because those two guys end up throwing haymakers at

2538
02:11:06,560 --> 02:11:09,840
Speaker 13: each other. And with those two, it's not like after

2539
02:11:09,880 --> 02:11:12,200
Speaker 13: the game they're dapping each other up, switching jerseys like. No,

2540
02:11:12,280 --> 02:11:15,160
Speaker 13: those guys seem to actually dislike each other, and because

2541
02:11:15,200 --> 02:11:17,800
Speaker 13: of that, I think it brings people coming back for more.

2542
02:11:17,840 --> 02:11:19,760
Speaker 13: And I think there's something kind of growing there with

2543
02:11:19,840 --> 02:11:22,920
Speaker 13: the Deebo Samuel and the Eagles and kind of how

2544
02:11:22,960 --> 02:11:26,480
Speaker 13: that's this budding rivalry. They seem to genuinely dislike each other,

2545
02:11:26,520 --> 02:11:28,000
Speaker 13: and I think there's potential there.

2546
02:11:28,960 --> 02:11:30,560
Speaker 1: That's a good point, though, he because this is what

2547
02:11:30,560 --> 02:11:32,920
Speaker 1: people are flocking to, and also the previous points you

2548
02:11:32,960 --> 02:11:36,080
Speaker 1: guys made, the fact that fans are getting into fistfights

2549
02:11:36,480 --> 02:11:40,520
Speaker 1: and players are being buddy buddy fans want the players

2550
02:11:40,560 --> 02:11:41,360
Speaker 1: to view each.

2551
02:11:41,160 --> 02:11:45,080
Speaker 5: Other the way that we view ourselves. That's that's that

2552
02:11:45,600 --> 02:11:47,640
Speaker 5: is why that be.

2553
02:11:47,720 --> 02:11:50,080
Speaker 1: And me Mark sees a guy with a cheesehead and

2554
02:11:50,080 --> 02:11:52,240
Speaker 1: wants to knock it off his noggin and say, oh,

2555
02:11:52,280 --> 02:11:53,360
Speaker 1: what do you want to do about it?

2556
02:11:53,760 --> 02:11:55,560
Speaker 5: I don't want you to you know what I mean

2557
02:11:55,640 --> 02:11:55,920
Speaker 5: to win?

2558
02:11:56,040 --> 02:11:57,120
Speaker 1: Here we go. Yeah.

2559
02:11:57,280 --> 02:12:00,760
Speaker 5: Meanwhile, like the Cole comments walking up to Jordan, I'm saying, hey, man,

2560
02:12:00,800 --> 02:12:01,400
Speaker 5: how's the family?

2561
02:12:01,520 --> 02:12:01,920
Speaker 3: How you doing.

2562
02:12:01,960 --> 02:12:03,720
Speaker 5: All right, we'll go play the game and then afterwards

2563
02:12:03,720 --> 02:12:04,600
Speaker 5: we'll go have some beers.

2564
02:12:05,560 --> 02:12:06,560
Speaker 4: That's what the season.

2565
02:12:06,800 --> 02:12:09,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, see, that's where the disconnect is. The fans to

2566
02:12:10,000 --> 02:12:11,400
Speaker 5: a certain degree hate each other.

2567
02:12:11,480 --> 02:12:13,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you can have a friend who's you know,

2568
02:12:13,400 --> 02:12:16,640
Speaker 1: who's a fan of a certain rival, but let somebody

2569
02:12:16,640 --> 02:12:18,480
Speaker 1: get a couple of beers in them and say one

2570
02:12:18,520 --> 02:12:22,040
Speaker 1: wrong word and it's all over. And the problem is,

2571
02:12:22,080 --> 02:12:25,440
Speaker 1: back in the day, Detroit and Chicago had that relationship

2572
02:12:25,440 --> 02:12:28,960
Speaker 1: when it was the Bulls and the Pistons because because

2573
02:12:29,040 --> 02:12:32,320
Speaker 1: you know, Dennis Robin could hate Scottie Pippen and the

2574
02:12:32,360 --> 02:12:34,600
Speaker 1: two rival fans would hate each other back then too.

2575
02:12:35,120 --> 02:12:37,400
Speaker 1: Now those guys are buddy buddy, but the fans still

2576
02:12:37,440 --> 02:12:39,800
Speaker 1: hate each other. So I think that's where the disconnect is.

2577
02:12:40,120 --> 02:12:42,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, and to that end, it's a great point,

2578
02:12:43,080 --> 02:12:45,600
Speaker 4: and I just keep thinking about. We asked the question

2579
02:12:45,640 --> 02:12:47,240
Speaker 4: all the time of how do you make the regular

2580
02:12:47,280 --> 02:12:50,080
Speaker 4: season in the NBA matter? The real answer to that

2581
02:12:50,280 --> 02:12:53,600
Speaker 4: is because there isn't the competitive fire right in nat

2582
02:12:54,760 --> 02:12:57,200
Speaker 4: to the point everybody's made here, Like, dude, there was

2583
02:12:57,240 --> 02:12:59,480
Speaker 4: a time when you knew that you had to watch

2584
02:12:59,480 --> 02:13:01,880
Speaker 4: some of theseuse you wanted to see two guys that

2585
02:13:01,920 --> 02:13:03,760
Speaker 4: hate each other going at it.

2586
02:13:04,200 --> 02:13:07,000
Speaker 2: You couldn't wait for six or Celtics, like I couldn't

2587
02:13:07,080 --> 02:13:12,720
Speaker 2: wait for Man, Oh my god, I couldn't wait for that.

2588
02:13:12,800 --> 02:13:14,520
Speaker 5: It's like you were waiting to see what would happen.

2589
02:13:14,720 --> 02:13:17,000
Speaker 1: Like no one ever wants a malice in the Palace

2590
02:13:17,040 --> 02:13:20,200
Speaker 1: situation to happen, obviously, but you were just waiting for

2591
02:13:20,320 --> 02:13:22,160
Speaker 1: something combustible to happen on the court.

2592
02:13:22,360 --> 02:13:26,160
Speaker 12: I mean, I wanted to see the competitiveness of your

2593
02:13:26,280 --> 02:13:29,200
Speaker 12: team and their team. You want to watch them duke

2594
02:13:29,280 --> 02:13:32,280
Speaker 12: it out, and you want to see, you know, can

2595
02:13:32,360 --> 02:13:35,200
Speaker 12: this play beat their play? And then just around and around,

2596
02:13:35,240 --> 02:13:37,120
Speaker 12: and if it's a series, you want to see how

2597
02:13:37,120 --> 02:13:39,360
Speaker 12: it's going to turn out. And then you're sad if

2598
02:13:39,400 --> 02:13:41,640
Speaker 12: you lose, and then you're really happy when you win.

2599
02:13:42,240 --> 02:13:45,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, you met me, Kobe and Ai earlier in this

2600
02:13:45,640 --> 02:13:49,360
Speaker 4: in this show, and just go back in time back

2601
02:13:49,400 --> 02:13:52,360
Speaker 4: then in a regular season matchup, if Kobe was playing

2602
02:13:52,400 --> 02:13:55,560
Speaker 4: Allan iverson, if the Lakers were playing the Sixers, you

2603
02:13:55,680 --> 02:13:58,040
Speaker 4: knew that everybody was going to stop what they were

2604
02:13:58,040 --> 02:14:00,000
Speaker 4: doing and it was going to be part of the culture,

2605
02:14:00,120 --> 02:14:01,440
Speaker 4: like it was going to be covered all day on

2606
02:14:01,560 --> 02:14:04,240
Speaker 4: every single TV show. Everybody was going to talk about

2607
02:14:04,240 --> 02:14:07,400
Speaker 4: that matchup. Regular season, you would still like the clock

2608
02:14:07,440 --> 02:14:10,640
Speaker 4: would stop and we would all watch. I would ask,

2609
02:14:10,720 --> 02:14:14,800
Speaker 4: right now, who in the NBA has that same what?

2610
02:14:14,800 --> 02:14:16,240
Speaker 4: What what rivalry?

2611
02:14:16,320 --> 02:14:16,560
Speaker 3: What?

2612
02:14:16,560 --> 02:14:19,920
Speaker 4: What individual fire? What? What is there in the NBA

2613
02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:22,400
Speaker 4: right now that on a Tuesday night, what play your

2614
02:14:22,480 --> 02:14:25,320
Speaker 4: matchup could even exist right now in this league this

2615
02:14:25,440 --> 02:14:28,840
Speaker 4: year that the whole world stops and says, oh wow, no,

2616
02:14:28,960 --> 02:14:32,240
Speaker 4: tonight's going to be intense. I just it just isn't.

2617
02:14:32,000 --> 02:14:36,920
Speaker 1: There, you one hundred percent right, doesn't exist like great

2618
02:14:36,920 --> 02:14:38,800
Speaker 1: individual players who can do it out and have a

2619
02:14:38,800 --> 02:14:42,920
Speaker 1: great entertaining battle dozens of matchups, but like to that

2620
02:14:43,040 --> 02:14:44,400
Speaker 1: level doesn't exist.

2621
02:14:44,960 --> 02:14:48,120
Speaker 4: Now that's where the marathon of Major League baseball. And

2622
02:14:48,160 --> 02:14:50,920
Speaker 4: you guys know, I will never apologize or hide the

2623
02:14:50,960 --> 02:14:52,840
Speaker 4: fact that I'm not really a baseball head, right Like

2624
02:14:52,880 --> 02:14:54,960
Speaker 4: I watch it casually. It's not my thing.

2625
02:14:55,240 --> 02:14:56,200
Speaker 3: It's a hold dad scene.

2626
02:14:57,040 --> 02:14:59,760
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, so a seam head. I'm not a seamhead.

2627
02:15:00,200 --> 02:15:02,680
Speaker 4: See that's how bad. That's how bad. But here's the

2628
02:15:02,680 --> 02:15:04,400
Speaker 4: one thing I will say.

2629
02:15:05,520 --> 02:15:06,560
Speaker 3: You sound cool, That's all.

2630
02:15:06,920 --> 02:15:07,040
Speaker 6: Now.

2631
02:15:07,120 --> 02:15:09,400
Speaker 4: I'm never gonna sound cool. Come on, I guess you are.

2632
02:15:11,480 --> 02:15:15,080
Speaker 4: But here's here's the thing. You get the advantage in baseball,

2633
02:15:15,120 --> 02:15:18,240
Speaker 4: even though it's a marathon season, you'll have that occasional Wow,

2634
02:15:18,320 --> 02:15:20,760
Speaker 4: this is a pitching matchup I'm excited about, right like,

2635
02:15:21,000 --> 02:15:23,600
Speaker 4: and that doesn't happen every single night. So that's the

2636
02:15:23,640 --> 02:15:26,960
Speaker 4: thing that it's like, Oh wait, I know, it's you know,

2637
02:15:27,000 --> 02:15:28,800
Speaker 4: I know, it's these two teams that have played twenty

2638
02:15:28,840 --> 02:15:30,720
Speaker 4: times this year, but this time we got this guy

2639
02:15:30,800 --> 02:15:32,440
Speaker 4: versus this guy. I'm excited for that.

2640
02:15:32,560 --> 02:15:36,280
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, part of that stuff was the Boston

2641
02:15:36,400 --> 02:15:40,120
Speaker 2: the Red Sox Yankee thing was one of it was incredible,

2642
02:15:40,160 --> 02:15:44,880
Speaker 2: it was everything. Dodgers Giants was an incredible rival and

2643
02:15:44,960 --> 02:15:49,240
Speaker 2: you're like, you had some really good baseball rivalries and

2644
02:15:49,400 --> 02:15:53,440
Speaker 2: teams that hate each other. Yeah, because Dodgers Giants, if

2645
02:15:53,480 --> 02:15:55,480
Speaker 2: you figure, you could talk to that all day long.

2646
02:15:56,040 --> 02:15:59,240
Speaker 1: Very contentious at times, and even more so just because

2647
02:15:59,240 --> 02:16:02,040
Speaker 1: of what gets some stationalized with the Red Sox and Yankees.

2648
02:16:02,040 --> 02:16:03,760
Speaker 1: Anytime the Red Sox and Yankees, they have to go

2649
02:16:03,800 --> 02:16:06,280
Speaker 1: back into the archives and get Jason Veritek and a

2650
02:16:06,440 --> 02:16:09,120
Speaker 1: Rod fighting each other. Forget about all the highlights when

2651
02:16:09,160 --> 02:16:11,680
Speaker 1: the playoffs and like actual you know games or or

2652
02:16:11,840 --> 02:16:14,720
Speaker 1: you know, the Pedro Martinez throwing down Don Zimmer. It's

2653
02:16:14,760 --> 02:16:17,080
Speaker 1: all the stuff around the actual playing of the game

2654
02:16:17,120 --> 02:16:19,960
Speaker 1: that says, look how intensest rivalry is. Those those are

2655
02:16:19,960 --> 02:16:21,320
Speaker 1: the sort of things that get pumped up.

2656
02:16:23,720 --> 02:16:28,400
Speaker 2: And I guess we can't be a pout to apologetic, right,

2657
02:16:28,560 --> 02:16:31,440
Speaker 2: I mean, like that's kind of in our DNA.

2658
02:16:32,240 --> 02:16:33,160
Speaker 1: Oh it's well, we crave.

2659
02:16:33,360 --> 02:16:33,560
Speaker 3: You know.

2660
02:16:33,600 --> 02:16:35,560
Speaker 1: We were talking about the lack of you know, support

2661
02:16:35,680 --> 02:16:38,840
Speaker 1: or fervor for college basketball, and you talk about Duke

2662
02:16:38,840 --> 02:16:41,560
Speaker 1: in North Carolina. You know, for years what they show

2663
02:16:41,640 --> 02:16:46,120
Speaker 1: Tyler Hansborough's nose is broken and this again, sure that

2664
02:16:46,200 --> 02:16:48,040
Speaker 1: they talk about the games and the matchups, but they

2665
02:16:48,040 --> 02:16:50,200
Speaker 1: want to go back to situations like that, that that's

2666
02:16:50,240 --> 02:16:51,320
Speaker 1: the stuff that people care about.

2667
02:16:51,320 --> 02:16:52,560
Speaker 5: I was like, Oh, these guys don't like each other.

2668
02:16:52,560 --> 02:16:53,560
Speaker 1: What might pop off tonight?

2669
02:16:53,640 --> 02:16:56,199
Speaker 5: Like that's yeah, I mean, what's machine.

2670
02:16:56,640 --> 02:16:59,200
Speaker 4: We were talking about Lakers Celtics earlier in this show,

2671
02:16:59,240 --> 02:17:01,760
Speaker 4: and you think about those showtime Lakers teams taking on

2672
02:17:01,800 --> 02:17:04,360
Speaker 4: the Celtics team that you know, much like the Bulls

2673
02:17:04,400 --> 02:17:07,360
Speaker 4: and the bad Boys, like you've always had this flash

2674
02:17:07,480 --> 02:17:10,960
Speaker 4: versus you know, flash versus strength sort of moment that

2675
02:17:11,440 --> 02:17:14,959
Speaker 4: you could gravitate to. And you would think with the

2676
02:17:14,959 --> 02:17:18,120
Speaker 4: Warriors being as fluid as they are, that there would

2677
02:17:18,160 --> 02:17:20,000
Speaker 4: have at some point bend the counter to that, like

2678
02:17:20,040 --> 02:17:22,360
Speaker 4: some sort of a team that could become the Villains.

2679
02:17:22,400 --> 02:17:24,000
Speaker 4: Thought it was going to be Memphis for a minute.

2680
02:17:24,040 --> 02:17:27,480
Speaker 4: But like, we lack that, We lack that that regular

2681
02:17:27,560 --> 02:17:31,640
Speaker 4: season clash of styles, clash of personalities, class of greatness,

2682
02:17:31,640 --> 02:17:32,440
Speaker 4: all of these things.

2683
02:17:33,680 --> 02:17:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think part of it is, Yeah, we that

2684
02:17:43,040 --> 02:17:49,000
Speaker 2: the lack of that stuff speaks to like the fan disconnect.

2685
02:17:49,920 --> 02:17:50,720
Speaker 3: It just does.

2686
02:17:50,879 --> 02:17:53,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I think you're I mean, I've listened to

2687
02:17:53,560 --> 02:17:57,120
Speaker 2: Mighty Mark, right, and I'm going that's the true fan.

2688
02:17:57,240 --> 02:18:00,400
Speaker 2: The true fan says, this is what I want to

2689
02:18:00,440 --> 02:18:03,879
Speaker 2: see and this is how I want to because they

2690
02:18:03,920 --> 02:18:06,280
Speaker 2: represent us. Like when you talk about Fitcy, you talk

2691
02:18:06,320 --> 02:18:10,320
Speaker 2: about the bad Boys, right, that was representative of Detroit,

2692
02:18:11,120 --> 02:18:17,520
Speaker 2: like the Behave, like Showtime Lakers was representative.

2693
02:18:16,720 --> 02:18:17,800
Speaker 3: Of Los Angeles.

2694
02:18:18,160 --> 02:18:22,440
Speaker 10: So the fan base, you know, the teams were an

2695
02:18:22,520 --> 02:18:26,640
Speaker 10: extension of the region and of the people.

2696
02:18:28,520 --> 02:18:33,000
Speaker 4: Agreed one percent, one hundred percent, And I like, I

2697
02:18:33,040 --> 02:18:35,040
Speaker 4: think we've seen that and we've talked a little bit

2698
02:18:35,040 --> 02:18:37,800
Speaker 4: about that this year and even in the NFL, like

2699
02:18:37,840 --> 02:18:40,600
Speaker 4: some of the coaches that really work are representative of

2700
02:18:40,600 --> 02:18:44,280
Speaker 4: their cities. You're absolutely right, Like, you know, if you

2701
02:18:44,360 --> 02:18:47,959
Speaker 4: were an eighties nineties kid on the West Coast, you

2702
02:18:48,440 --> 02:18:51,160
Speaker 4: wanted to be part of the Lakers culture as a

2703
02:18:51,200 --> 02:18:53,959
Speaker 4: fan because you felt like that represented the best of

2704
02:18:54,000 --> 02:18:56,880
Speaker 4: what everybody perceived West Coast life to be, right like it,

2705
02:18:56,959 --> 02:18:59,560
Speaker 4: it was bigger than just the fan. It was a

2706
02:18:59,600 --> 02:19:02,360
Speaker 4: bigger than just the team or the logo or the jersey.

2707
02:19:02,400 --> 02:19:05,400
Speaker 4: It was about everything that it represented to the lifestyle

2708
02:19:05,440 --> 02:19:06,640
Speaker 4: that you felt proud of.

2709
02:19:06,840 --> 02:19:11,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, so interesting, man, I love this stuff.

2710
02:19:11,360 --> 02:19:17,000
Speaker 2: The sociologists. Sociological stuff is fascinating. Where the Fellas Jason

2711
02:19:17,040 --> 02:19:20,760
Speaker 2: fitz Kevin Figures, I'm Anthony Gargana, produced by of course

2712
02:19:20,879 --> 02:19:24,840
Speaker 2: Mighty Mark and our man Ian. We'll come back and

2713
02:19:24,879 --> 02:19:29,200
Speaker 2: we'll take a look at the weekend from a betting standpoint.

2714
02:19:29,240 --> 02:19:31,640
Speaker 2: Our Man, the Big Brain will join us next. Where

2715
02:19:31,640 --> 02:19:40,640
Speaker 2: the Fellas right here, Fox Sports Radio. Fellas from the

2716
02:19:40,800 --> 02:19:43,440
Speaker 2: tire Raq dot Com Studios.

2717
02:19:46,640 --> 02:19:47,800
Speaker 3: Jason fitz.

2718
02:19:49,040 --> 02:19:51,480
Speaker 2: Kevin Figures, I'm Anthony Garganall hanging out.

2719
02:19:52,640 --> 02:19:54,360
Speaker 3: Uh, let's take.

2720
02:19:54,240 --> 02:20:01,120
Speaker 2: A moment and uh talk about sports from a betting standpoint,

2721
02:20:01,200 --> 02:20:03,680
Speaker 2: joining us now like he does every week at this time.

2722
02:20:03,800 --> 02:20:09,879
Speaker 2: He is our man, the big brain. Brad Feinberg on

2723
02:20:10,040 --> 02:20:13,200
Speaker 2: the as we hang out on this Saturday.

2724
02:20:13,120 --> 02:20:14,600
Speaker 3: We were you're a sportsman.

2725
02:20:14,640 --> 02:20:16,520
Speaker 2: Well, one of the reasons why you and I are

2726
02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:21,440
Speaker 2: are very good friends is because we share this love

2727
02:20:21,480 --> 02:20:25,679
Speaker 2: of sports. Like you, you love it college basketball?

2728
02:20:26,760 --> 02:20:29,560
Speaker 3: Does it have it? Has it lost completely?

2729
02:20:29,600 --> 02:20:33,320
Speaker 2: It's further with you and do you just look at okay,

2730
02:20:33,400 --> 02:20:34,800
Speaker 2: look at it and you have to go further.

2731
02:20:34,920 --> 02:20:35,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2732
02:20:35,800 --> 02:20:40,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna be honest, Anthony. It I look, you know,

2733
02:20:41,080 --> 02:20:44,200
Speaker 6: I understand things change and and you know, but it's

2734
02:20:44,320 --> 02:20:46,760
Speaker 6: to me, it's just not like I think you can

2735
02:20:46,800 --> 02:20:49,080
Speaker 6: see even talking about a Hall of Fame coach like

2736
02:20:49,160 --> 02:20:52,440
Speaker 6: Rick Bettino, you see his I think his frustration, which

2737
02:20:52,480 --> 02:20:55,600
Speaker 6: is like how the business of college basketball how it's

2738
02:20:55,680 --> 02:20:59,320
Speaker 6: just it's just everything's different in college sports. I think

2739
02:20:59,360 --> 02:21:03,640
Speaker 6: it's a extremely extreme. I used to always think, Anthony,

2740
02:21:04,080 --> 02:21:06,000
Speaker 6: I would much rather be a college coach and an

2741
02:21:06,080 --> 02:21:08,440
Speaker 6: NBA coach, you know, back in you know, I'm talking

2742
02:21:08,560 --> 02:21:11,600
Speaker 6: years back. I always thought, you know, give me four

2743
02:21:11,680 --> 02:21:13,640
Speaker 6: years to work with kids, you know, they don't get

2744
02:21:13,840 --> 02:21:16,000
Speaker 6: tired of you because you know you're only there for

2745
02:21:16,040 --> 02:21:20,400
Speaker 6: four years, and now with the NILS, people can transfer

2746
02:21:20,440 --> 02:21:24,560
Speaker 6: it by week by day. It's just it's just a

2747
02:21:24,560 --> 02:21:28,680
Speaker 6: different world, and it's just it's just not I mean, look,

2748
02:21:28,800 --> 02:21:30,600
Speaker 6: I never was one of those people thought it was

2749
02:21:30,640 --> 02:21:34,160
Speaker 6: like a truly like amateur sport where you know, I

2750
02:21:34,240 --> 02:21:36,680
Speaker 6: understand maybe things happened, but it's to me, it's become

2751
02:21:36,760 --> 02:21:40,959
Speaker 6: really I don't even know. I I don't. I feel

2752
02:21:40,959 --> 02:21:44,560
Speaker 6: like there's no not that same loyalty that I felt

2753
02:21:44,560 --> 02:21:45,480
Speaker 6: like was in the past.

2754
02:21:45,520 --> 02:21:46,560
Speaker 3: And I don't know.

2755
02:21:46,600 --> 02:21:48,400
Speaker 6: I don't know how you guys feel, but it's just

2756
02:21:48,480 --> 02:21:50,000
Speaker 6: it's different to me, but not and not in a

2757
02:21:50,000 --> 02:21:50,400
Speaker 6: good way.

2758
02:21:51,200 --> 02:21:53,879
Speaker 4: It feels lost to us, I think the best way

2759
02:21:53,920 --> 02:21:56,680
Speaker 4: to say it and maybe a little irrelevant. So I

2760
02:21:56,680 --> 02:22:00,280
Speaker 4: guess what's hard? Yeah, And you tell me from from

2761
02:22:00,320 --> 02:22:03,480
Speaker 4: your mindset, from a betting standpoint, because you know, as

2762
02:22:03,560 --> 02:22:05,879
Speaker 4: a show that talks so much college football, for example,

2763
02:22:05,920 --> 02:22:07,959
Speaker 4: there's a lot of ways to make money betting on

2764
02:22:08,000 --> 02:22:11,760
Speaker 4: college football. It feels like college basketball is just tougher

2765
02:22:11,879 --> 02:22:15,880
Speaker 4: to grasp to get a handle on who's good and

2766
02:22:15,920 --> 02:22:18,760
Speaker 4: what to rely on, Like, is there any difference in

2767
02:22:18,800 --> 02:22:21,080
Speaker 4: your approach when you start looking at college basketball.

2768
02:22:22,200 --> 02:22:24,760
Speaker 6: Well, look again, I'm not. Again, most of the stuff

2769
02:22:24,840 --> 02:22:28,879
Speaker 6: I specialize in. I always try to specialize as most

2770
02:22:28,920 --> 02:22:31,400
Speaker 6: I can, as much as I can in inefficient markets

2771
02:22:31,440 --> 02:22:34,960
Speaker 6: versus efficient markets. Everyone listening, Here's what an efficient market is.

2772
02:22:35,320 --> 02:22:37,760
Speaker 6: Betting an NFL or an NBA or college basketball or

2773
02:22:37,760 --> 02:22:40,400
Speaker 6: college football spread against just the regular number. Those are

2774
02:22:40,440 --> 02:22:43,920
Speaker 6: efficient numbers. I mean they really really are. And like

2775
02:22:44,280 --> 02:22:47,440
Speaker 6: the best people in the universe, I mean, like people

2776
02:22:47,600 --> 02:22:52,120
Speaker 6: like Dave Bruce, Lebron, James, Wayne Gretzky, they can maybe

2777
02:22:52,160 --> 02:22:55,400
Speaker 6: in those efficient markets hit around fifty four percent. I'm

2778
02:22:55,440 --> 02:22:58,760
Speaker 6: talking again the Mount rushmore of people, and there's not

2779
02:22:58,840 --> 02:23:03,039
Speaker 6: many people on that mount right more. List Okay for me,

2780
02:23:03,560 --> 02:23:05,440
Speaker 6: and the reason I've had the success that I've had

2781
02:23:05,600 --> 02:23:07,400
Speaker 6: is I try to focus as much as i can

2782
02:23:07,480 --> 02:23:13,199
Speaker 6: on inefficient markets. Hence the season win totals, futures who

2783
02:23:13,240 --> 02:23:16,879
Speaker 6: can win the Super Bowl or the championship. NBA props

2784
02:23:16,920 --> 02:23:21,000
Speaker 6: are football props, baseball props every single day those lines are.

2785
02:23:21,040 --> 02:23:24,320
Speaker 6: In my opinion, I've beaten them at incredibly high levels.

2786
02:23:24,440 --> 02:23:28,840
Speaker 6: They're not as efficient yet hopefully it never changes. But

2787
02:23:29,520 --> 02:23:32,560
Speaker 6: look you know, listen, when it comes to basketball, I

2788
02:23:32,640 --> 02:23:34,200
Speaker 6: try to look at that. Actually, our three games I

2789
02:23:34,240 --> 02:23:36,800
Speaker 6: did like today I'll talk about, but I'm trying to

2790
02:23:36,800 --> 02:23:39,880
Speaker 6: look at strength to schedule, the luck factor the certain teams.

2791
02:23:39,879 --> 02:23:42,520
Speaker 6: You see a record, you may see twenty three and six,

2792
02:23:42,920 --> 02:23:46,080
Speaker 6: but they've been very lucky in close games. What we

2793
02:23:46,200 --> 02:23:49,440
Speaker 6: try to do is sports betters is not who wins,

2794
02:23:49,480 --> 02:23:52,000
Speaker 6: but who should have won? Like, what's it? Your record

2795
02:23:52,040 --> 02:23:56,520
Speaker 6: almost has become it's irrelevant. I know that sounds crazy

2796
02:23:56,640 --> 02:23:58,480
Speaker 6: to a lot of people listening, but it's just how

2797
02:23:58,560 --> 02:24:01,520
Speaker 6: you play versus the record. Is every means everything for

2798
02:24:01,600 --> 02:24:03,720
Speaker 6: the university and the coaching staff and the fan base.

2799
02:24:04,200 --> 02:24:06,400
Speaker 6: But from a betting point of view, you don't even

2800
02:24:06,400 --> 02:24:08,520
Speaker 6: really look at the record. You really are looking at

2801
02:24:09,000 --> 02:24:12,160
Speaker 6: you look at schedule, they're off, they're deep, the metrics.

2802
02:24:12,360 --> 02:24:16,199
Speaker 6: You're not even looking at the record is actually honestly irrelevant.

2803
02:24:16,480 --> 02:24:17,840
Speaker 6: It sounds crazy, No.

2804
02:24:17,959 --> 02:24:18,840
Speaker 3: It's completely real.

2805
02:24:18,959 --> 02:24:21,280
Speaker 2: Like if you just use the football analogy, you're looking

2806
02:24:21,320 --> 02:24:24,840
Speaker 2: at yards to look at that, those kinds of things

2807
02:24:24,879 --> 02:24:28,440
Speaker 2: that tell you and it's only because you go, well,

2808
02:24:28,480 --> 02:24:31,000
Speaker 2: that's not lines inflated because they're six and oh, but

2809
02:24:31,040 --> 02:24:34,160
Speaker 2: they were a fake six and oh because they had

2810
02:24:34,200 --> 02:24:37,520
Speaker 2: turnovers and there was a degree of luck that happened

2811
02:24:37,560 --> 02:24:38,520
Speaker 2: in three of their wins.

2812
02:24:39,440 --> 02:24:41,560
Speaker 6: And you know what, it's me it's funny that is

2813
02:24:41,640 --> 02:24:43,160
Speaker 6: you want to ask what has changed the most of

2814
02:24:43,280 --> 02:24:46,480
Speaker 6: something doing this? It's that it used to be, you know,

2815
02:24:46,959 --> 02:24:49,440
Speaker 6: people would look at record and that would be like

2816
02:24:49,879 --> 02:24:52,600
Speaker 6: just like how these games would be, that these lines

2817
02:24:52,600 --> 02:24:54,360
Speaker 6: will come out from the sports books and it would

2818
02:24:54,400 --> 02:24:56,520
Speaker 6: just be, oh, this team is nine and two. You know,

2819
02:24:56,959 --> 02:25:00,400
Speaker 6: that doesn't make a difference now and this books have

2820
02:25:00,440 --> 02:25:03,080
Speaker 6: caught up and those edges that were in years past

2821
02:25:03,320 --> 02:25:06,800
Speaker 6: no longer exist. They don't, But I do. I know

2822
02:25:06,840 --> 02:25:08,880
Speaker 6: you guys asked about college basketball. Actually are a couple

2823
02:25:08,879 --> 02:25:11,960
Speaker 6: of basketball games. I did my feeding for the pool

2824
02:25:11,959 --> 02:25:15,160
Speaker 6: with my favorite game of the day. Real quick, North

2825
02:25:15,160 --> 02:25:19,039
Speaker 6: Carolina is playing Virginia. Look, I have North Carolina in

2826
02:25:19,080 --> 02:25:25,240
Speaker 6: my ratings, okay, ranked about nine or eight points, eight

2827
02:25:25,280 --> 02:25:28,960
Speaker 6: points better than Virginia on a neutral court. I have them, sire.

2828
02:25:29,040 --> 02:25:31,879
Speaker 6: I have these teams not even close. Even if I

2829
02:25:31,920 --> 02:25:34,280
Speaker 6: want to give three points for Virginia for home court,

2830
02:25:34,760 --> 02:25:36,879
Speaker 6: I really like North Carolina lane two and a half.

2831
02:25:36,959 --> 02:25:39,760
Speaker 6: I think that line is too low. I think there's

2832
02:25:39,800 --> 02:25:43,959
Speaker 6: a legitimate class difference, guys, between these two teams. And

2833
02:25:44,280 --> 02:25:48,280
Speaker 6: again I'll bet a great fruit or too. I think

2834
02:25:48,320 --> 02:25:50,320
Speaker 6: that this line will close at least at three and

2835
02:25:50,360 --> 02:25:52,080
Speaker 6: a half. I don't understand why it's only at two

2836
02:25:52,120 --> 02:25:55,800
Speaker 6: and a half. I think that line's too low. And

2837
02:25:55,879 --> 02:25:58,480
Speaker 6: I'll give you two others real quick, guys. I like

2838
02:25:58,560 --> 02:26:03,039
Speaker 6: Houston today playing bad. I think again now ball Wars

2839
02:26:03,040 --> 02:26:05,640
Speaker 6: is a good team. But again my numbers made this.

2840
02:26:06,760 --> 02:26:11,640
Speaker 6: I if Houston better by about six points better on

2841
02:26:11,720 --> 02:26:14,160
Speaker 6: a neutral, So I'll take my chances. In late two

2842
02:26:14,160 --> 02:26:16,560
Speaker 6: and a half with Houston at Baylor again, I think

2843
02:26:16,560 --> 02:26:19,080
Speaker 6: it's gonna be a close game. But again I think

2844
02:26:19,120 --> 02:26:21,480
Speaker 6: Houston finds that would win. Again, my numbers just made

2845
02:26:21,480 --> 02:26:24,760
Speaker 6: this higher than it was. And the last one Duke

2846
02:26:24,840 --> 02:26:29,080
Speaker 6: playing wake Forest. I thought this line should be Duke

2847
02:26:29,120 --> 02:26:33,560
Speaker 6: by one. It's wake Force by two and a half. Again,

2848
02:26:33,640 --> 02:26:36,240
Speaker 6: my numbers showed Duke's about you know, three and a

2849
02:26:36,280 --> 02:26:39,320
Speaker 6: half four points better on a neutral. You want to

2850
02:26:39,360 --> 02:26:41,760
Speaker 6: give me them taking two and a half, I'm gonna

2851
02:26:41,800 --> 02:26:43,240
Speaker 6: do it again. You say, oh, two and a half

2852
02:26:43,280 --> 02:26:46,039
Speaker 6: points is not much, but games do land close, and

2853
02:26:46,160 --> 02:26:49,000
Speaker 6: over thousands of games that plus two and a half

2854
02:26:49,040 --> 02:26:51,800
Speaker 6: versus laying one adds up. So those are the three games.

2855
02:26:51,879 --> 02:26:53,119
Speaker 6: I personally I.

2856
02:26:53,040 --> 02:26:58,360
Speaker 2: Got one more just to throw at you. Yukon played

2857
02:26:58,400 --> 02:27:02,800
Speaker 2: them over right. I just that Yukon buries it the

2858
02:27:02,920 --> 02:27:07,160
Speaker 2: loss shide. But that team, that team can't stay with Yukon.

2859
02:27:08,160 --> 02:27:10,760
Speaker 6: No, it's funny. I say, look, my numbers made that

2860
02:27:10,920 --> 02:27:13,240
Speaker 6: thirteen and a half. I think it's twelve and a

2861
02:27:13,240 --> 02:27:15,760
Speaker 6: half right now, got a double check that, but I

2862
02:27:15,760 --> 02:27:18,879
Speaker 6: think it's twelve and a half. But yeah, listen, I

2863
02:27:18,879 --> 02:27:21,800
Speaker 6: mean the only way I can look is the Yukon

2864
02:27:21,920 --> 02:27:25,920
Speaker 6: sight plus getting just absolutely just don't know this playing

2865
02:27:25,959 --> 02:27:27,840
Speaker 6: better at me as you know, as a Philly guy.

2866
02:27:28,040 --> 02:27:31,600
Speaker 6: But the only way to come up by great though Yukon.

2867
02:27:31,760 --> 02:27:35,360
Speaker 6: You're correct, Yukon is just they seem to me to

2868
02:27:35,520 --> 02:27:37,480
Speaker 6: be the best team this year or whatever that's worth.

2869
02:27:38,680 --> 02:27:40,240
Speaker 6: And I agree, the only way I could look in

2870
02:27:40,320 --> 02:27:42,320
Speaker 6: that game would be the Yukon site. Didn't bet it,

2871
02:27:42,360 --> 02:27:44,680
Speaker 6: but my numbers do favor them by about a point

2872
02:27:44,760 --> 02:27:46,720
Speaker 6: point and a half based on what the spread is,

2873
02:27:46,879 --> 02:27:48,160
Speaker 6: so I would be on that side.

2874
02:27:48,760 --> 02:27:51,080
Speaker 4: You said that Yukon, by your numbers, looks to be

2875
02:27:51,120 --> 02:27:53,240
Speaker 4: the best team in the country right now. Is there

2876
02:27:53,600 --> 02:27:55,879
Speaker 4: any team that, as you look and we all start

2877
02:27:55,879 --> 02:27:58,080
Speaker 4: getting ready for marshmadnws, are the teams that you look

2878
02:27:58,120 --> 02:28:00,160
Speaker 4: at that you say, hey, keep an eye out. This

2879
02:28:00,200 --> 02:28:03,119
Speaker 4: team is actually worth with a little bit of the futures.

2880
02:28:03,160 --> 02:28:03,320
Speaker 3: Look.

2881
02:28:04,720 --> 02:28:07,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it's funny like it's been. It's been hard.

2882
02:28:08,480 --> 02:28:11,680
Speaker 6: It's that you to find those kind of plays like

2883
02:28:11,760 --> 02:28:14,880
Speaker 6: as opposed to years past, it really has been uh.

2884
02:28:15,000 --> 02:28:18,560
Speaker 6: I mean the sports books that have caught up and

2885
02:28:18,879 --> 02:28:23,520
Speaker 6: like teams that are maybe not as you know known

2886
02:28:23,640 --> 02:28:25,600
Speaker 6: so to speak, Like a team that I think had

2887
02:28:25,640 --> 02:28:28,360
Speaker 6: the chance to start playing better, but they're odds star

2888
02:28:28,400 --> 02:28:31,000
Speaker 6: aren't great, And I'm maybe I'm being stubborn on this,

2889
02:28:31,080 --> 02:28:34,160
Speaker 6: but I actually just think they're talented and I think

2890
02:28:34,280 --> 02:28:37,360
Speaker 6: cal Perry maybe can get them whole to be better

2891
02:28:37,440 --> 02:28:40,800
Speaker 6: twying toe time. But I watched Kentucky. I think they

2892
02:28:40,800 --> 02:28:45,280
Speaker 6: have good players and I and I could see them.

2893
02:28:45,600 --> 02:28:46,960
Speaker 6: You know, it's a team that's not in the top

2894
02:28:47,000 --> 02:28:51,640
Speaker 6: twenty right now. They could get hot, that has the

2895
02:28:51,000 --> 02:28:55,160
Speaker 6: the personnel I would I would say probably Kentucky would

2896
02:28:55,160 --> 02:28:57,920
Speaker 6: be a team that I think could maybe do some

2897
02:28:58,080 --> 02:29:02,240
Speaker 6: things that it's not getting the you know, today's respect

2898
02:29:02,480 --> 02:29:05,080
Speaker 6: become you know, march madness. Can I see them in

2899
02:29:05,120 --> 02:29:07,040
Speaker 6: the Elite eight maybe if I'm and you know, and

2900
02:29:07,120 --> 02:29:10,120
Speaker 6: you know, maybe playing for championship. Sure, because there is

2901
02:29:10,160 --> 02:29:12,240
Speaker 6: so much parody in all these games, guys. And again,

2902
02:29:12,400 --> 02:29:16,720
Speaker 6: like to me, college basketball is now like you know,

2903
02:29:17,120 --> 02:29:19,600
Speaker 6: to give a comparison, when who watched the Daytona five hundred.

2904
02:29:19,640 --> 02:29:22,520
Speaker 6: They have those restrictor plates. So every the race is

2905
02:29:22,520 --> 02:29:24,920
Speaker 6: always close. It doesn't make a difference what it is.

2906
02:29:24,959 --> 02:29:27,160
Speaker 6: The race just comes down to the end, like within

2907
02:29:27,760 --> 02:29:31,440
Speaker 6: milliseconds because of these restrictor plates. I feel like college

2908
02:29:31,440 --> 02:29:34,560
Speaker 6: basketball is on restrictor plates. Everything's close. It just doesn't

2909
02:29:34,600 --> 02:29:38,680
Speaker 6: make it different. There's not that real just divide that

2910
02:29:38,720 --> 02:29:40,520
Speaker 6: we used to have in the past when like of

2911
02:29:40,600 --> 02:29:42,400
Speaker 6: a one plate in eight seed of Easter when I

2912
02:29:42,480 --> 02:29:44,000
Speaker 6: was growing up, that would be like a twelve to

2913
02:29:44,040 --> 02:29:46,520
Speaker 6: thirteen point spread. Now those rents are four and a

2914
02:29:46,560 --> 02:29:49,680
Speaker 6: half points, you know, so it's it's a different world.

2915
02:29:49,959 --> 02:29:53,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, let me ask you. I just want to

2916
02:29:53,200 --> 02:29:54,080
Speaker 3: keep out for a minute.

2917
02:29:54,879 --> 02:29:59,879
Speaker 2: Have you dove into the MLBU few sus.

2918
02:30:00,040 --> 02:30:04,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Listen, my biggest investment uh in

2919
02:30:04,840 --> 02:30:09,560
Speaker 6: baseball this year by far By far is the Cincinnati Reds.

2920
02:30:10,440 --> 02:30:14,360
Speaker 6: I look, I love won the women division. You still

2921
02:30:14,400 --> 02:30:17,959
Speaker 6: can get plus four tenets out there. They to me,

2922
02:30:18,480 --> 02:30:22,000
Speaker 6: guys have the best pitching and the best hitting in

2923
02:30:22,000 --> 02:30:25,360
Speaker 6: that division. And I'm gonna I bet them over eighty

2924
02:30:25,400 --> 02:30:27,280
Speaker 6: and a half wins. It's eighty one and a half.

2925
02:30:27,320 --> 02:30:29,920
Speaker 6: You could still get eighty two. Still like that. I

2926
02:30:30,000 --> 02:30:33,280
Speaker 6: think the Reds actually have legitimate depth in pitching staff,

2927
02:30:33,920 --> 02:30:40,840
Speaker 6: and it hitting like extremely well, and they actually have,

2928
02:30:42,480 --> 02:30:45,400
Speaker 6: in my opinion, very good depth in the starting pitching

2929
02:30:45,440 --> 02:30:48,200
Speaker 6: as well too. I really liked what they did in

2930
02:30:48,240 --> 02:30:50,959
Speaker 6: the offseason. They got Frankie Montaus who when he's pitched,

2931
02:30:51,440 --> 02:30:54,240
Speaker 6: when he's pitched, has been very very good. They gave

2932
02:30:54,320 --> 02:30:56,800
Speaker 6: him eighteen million, I think to pitch this year, not

2933
02:30:56,920 --> 02:30:58,960
Speaker 6: my money. So and he gets hurt, but it's but

2934
02:30:58,959 --> 02:31:01,520
Speaker 6: that's only They're not going to been five hundred million

2935
02:31:01,560 --> 02:31:04,199
Speaker 6: dollars or Blake snow So. But mom tass when he pitches,

2936
02:31:04,200 --> 02:31:06,000
Speaker 6: could be just as good as Blake snow quite frankly.

2937
02:31:06,840 --> 02:31:09,360
Speaker 6: And I like Andrew Rabbit, I love Hunter Green, I

2938
02:31:09,400 --> 02:31:13,320
Speaker 6: love Nick Lidolo. Graham Astra pitched well for them. They

2939
02:31:13,360 --> 02:31:16,279
Speaker 6: have real depth and they also got from the Padres,

2940
02:31:17,040 --> 02:31:19,240
Speaker 6: they got Nick Martinez Pictu. Really well, this is a

2941
02:31:19,280 --> 02:31:22,480
Speaker 6: really good team. That's probably my faatee anction, not probably,

2942
02:31:22,480 --> 02:31:25,040
Speaker 6: it is my favorite future is taking them and I

2943
02:31:25,040 --> 02:31:27,600
Speaker 6: bet Tampa Bay under eighty five and a half wins. Family.

2944
02:31:28,160 --> 02:31:32,080
Speaker 6: I know life death taxes campaign is always good, but

2945
02:31:32,160 --> 02:31:35,640
Speaker 6: I'm going to tell you something. Listen, you you take

2946
02:31:35,680 --> 02:31:43,840
Speaker 6: away Springs, who was ras mussin Glass now McClanahan, you

2947
02:31:43,879 --> 02:31:46,959
Speaker 6: take away the four death starters and Franco their best tenor.

2948
02:31:47,080 --> 02:31:49,640
Speaker 6: I just don't know how you can say, Okay, we're

2949
02:31:49,640 --> 02:31:51,199
Speaker 6: just gonna keep winning eighty six games.

2950
02:31:51,760 --> 02:31:57,080
Speaker 2: Take me away they have again, but but again, you

2951
02:31:57,120 --> 02:31:59,480
Speaker 2: take away player after player after player.

2952
02:32:00,600 --> 02:32:04,600
Speaker 6: It's not It gets to be more challenging. And I

2953
02:32:04,760 --> 02:32:06,959
Speaker 6: like Arizona over eighty three and a half wins. I

2954
02:32:07,000 --> 02:32:10,200
Speaker 6: should try to stay away from overs, but I do

2955
02:32:10,240 --> 02:32:13,960
Speaker 6: think Arizona is a legitimate, legitimate, good team. Guys, and

2956
02:32:14,120 --> 02:32:16,959
Speaker 6: they eighty three and a half. I thought they're you know,

2957
02:32:16,959 --> 02:32:18,560
Speaker 6: I think you could argue that the third best team

2958
02:32:18,560 --> 02:32:20,800
Speaker 6: in the National League. I think them in Philadelphia would

2959
02:32:20,840 --> 02:32:23,040
Speaker 6: be my two choices for being in that area. And

2960
02:32:23,480 --> 02:32:25,000
Speaker 6: eighty three and a half, I thought that was like

2961
02:32:25,280 --> 02:32:28,920
Speaker 6: around three games too low to be honest, What.

2962
02:32:28,840 --> 02:32:30,880
Speaker 4: Do you do with the fact that the Dodgers always Dodger.

2963
02:32:32,520 --> 02:32:35,439
Speaker 6: The Dodgers always always what Dodger.

2964
02:32:35,200 --> 02:32:37,640
Speaker 4: Like, they never win, but they're supposed to. Oh so,

2965
02:32:38,040 --> 02:32:39,400
Speaker 4: what do we do with the fact that, like the

2966
02:32:39,440 --> 02:32:42,199
Speaker 4: history of the organization versus the way this roster looks

2967
02:32:42,240 --> 02:32:42,600
Speaker 4: right now?

2968
02:32:42,959 --> 02:32:45,200
Speaker 6: Well, okay, but listen, you're a super smart guy when

2969
02:32:45,200 --> 02:32:48,039
Speaker 6: you say they never win. I mean they want only

2970
02:32:48,080 --> 02:32:51,119
Speaker 6: guess one World Series with Kershel But but what last

2971
02:32:51,200 --> 02:32:54,160
Speaker 6: year is the poster child? You have to almost get

2972
02:32:54,160 --> 02:32:57,880
Speaker 6: amnesia when baseball playoffs start. You have to get amnesia.

2973
02:32:59,240 --> 02:33:02,680
Speaker 6: It doesn't make different. It's all random. That's the baseball

2974
02:33:02,720 --> 02:33:05,400
Speaker 6: playoffs are purely random. And I could show you data

2975
02:33:05,400 --> 02:33:08,160
Speaker 6: over the last twenty five years proving I'm factually correct

2976
02:33:08,160 --> 02:33:10,520
Speaker 6: the liss This isn't an opinion, I am just it's

2977
02:33:10,520 --> 02:33:14,160
Speaker 6: a true fall. I am correct. It is just pure random.

2978
02:33:14,200 --> 02:33:16,680
Speaker 6: This doesn't mean the Dodgers choked. It doesn't mean they're

2979
02:33:16,680 --> 02:33:18,920
Speaker 6: not a great team. Over one hundred and sixty two games,

2980
02:33:18,959 --> 02:33:22,240
Speaker 6: your true colors show getting into the playoffs is all skilled. Look,

2981
02:33:22,400 --> 02:33:25,480
Speaker 6: last year the Braves were better than the Phillies. Phillies

2982
02:33:25,520 --> 02:33:28,120
Speaker 6: smoked them the playoffs. The Phillies were way better than Arizona.

2983
02:33:28,240 --> 02:33:32,920
Speaker 6: Arizona's beat them in the playoffs. It's just Arizona wasn't

2984
02:33:32,959 --> 02:33:35,720
Speaker 6: as good as the Dodgers. They beat them in the playoffs.

2985
02:33:35,920 --> 02:33:38,960
Speaker 6: It's just short sample sized. Baseball takes a best a

2986
02:33:39,080 --> 02:33:41,360
Speaker 6: quarter to the mak takes the best of twenty seven

2987
02:33:41,560 --> 02:33:43,880
Speaker 6: for the better team to start showing themselves a best

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02:33:43,879 --> 02:33:46,160
Speaker 6: of twenty seven. They're playing best of fives and best

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Speaker 6: of sevens. It's just the worst team in baseball can

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02:33:50,800 --> 02:33:53,160
Speaker 6: beat the best team in the best of three. So

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02:33:53,440 --> 02:33:57,160
Speaker 6: it happens every single day. It's not so when the

2992
02:33:57,200 --> 02:34:00,000
Speaker 6: Dodgers are in the playoffs. You know, look they should win.

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02:34:00,200 --> 02:34:02,960
Speaker 6: They they have the best team, but the edges are minuscule.

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02:34:03,160 --> 02:34:05,520
Speaker 6: I mean the edges are miniscupal. These these these series

2995
02:34:05,560 --> 02:34:08,440
Speaker 6: are very close. So I would just say I don't

2996
02:34:08,520 --> 02:34:11,600
Speaker 6: mind taking a team to win the World Series that's

2997
02:34:11,600 --> 02:34:15,640
Speaker 6: a big underdog, because look at Texas last year in Arizona,

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02:34:16,040 --> 02:34:20,880
Speaker 6: because they can there's no baseball just as a sport itself.

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Speaker 6: I don't think it's a Dodger. I think let's see

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02:34:22,240 --> 02:34:24,720
Speaker 6: I think it's a baseball thing. I just think inherently,

3001
02:34:25,200 --> 02:34:25,840
Speaker 6: look at that now.

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02:34:25,840 --> 02:34:27,920
Speaker 3: I agree we're up against it.

3003
02:34:28,360 --> 02:34:30,520
Speaker 2: I just want people to know, if you need to,

3004
02:34:30,920 --> 02:34:33,840
Speaker 2: people want to get a hold of you, you're killing it.

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02:34:33,959 --> 02:34:35,640
Speaker 3: I mean, what's the best way.

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02:34:36,200 --> 02:34:40,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, Brad's Best Bets on Twitter. I'm up about one

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02:34:40,320 --> 02:34:43,760
Speaker 6: hundred and thirty units, you know, up about fifty units

3008
02:34:43,760 --> 02:34:46,879
Speaker 6: this year, eighty units in the three months before that.

3009
02:34:46,920 --> 02:34:48,920
Speaker 6: I started this about six months ago, up about one

3010
02:34:48,959 --> 02:34:52,240
Speaker 6: hundred and thirty units, setting one unit a game. Brad's

3011
02:34:52,320 --> 02:34:54,760
Speaker 6: Best Bets. And I'll give you two quick props. Drew

3012
02:34:54,800 --> 02:34:57,039
Speaker 6: Holiday over ten and a half points thirty six and

3013
02:34:57,080 --> 02:35:00,640
Speaker 6: fifteen this year, and Drew Holidy over four have freebounds.

3014
02:35:00,640 --> 02:35:03,320
Speaker 6: There's also thirty six and fifteen this year. Those are

3015
02:35:03,360 --> 02:35:04,800
Speaker 6: two props. I think we're mispriced.

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02:35:05,280 --> 02:35:08,320
Speaker 2: Love it, love it, great stuff, as always the big Brain.

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02:35:08,920 --> 02:35:11,360
Speaker 3: All right, Fellas will come back and wrap it up.

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02:35:11,680 --> 02:35:19,560
Speaker 2: Coming up next The Fellas on Fox Sports Radio. All Right,

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02:35:21,360 --> 02:35:26,080
Speaker 2: Fellas hanging wrapping one up from the tire Rack dot

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Speaker 2: Com Studios. Jason fitz Kevin Figures on Anthony Gargano. Yeah,

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02:35:32,320 --> 02:35:34,080
Speaker 2: I got a little bit of a baseball atch. I

3022
02:35:34,120 --> 02:35:37,440
Speaker 2: know that fits you're like a loser. But I got

3023
02:35:37,440 --> 02:35:40,280
Speaker 2: a little bit of the Today's like a first day

3024
02:35:40,320 --> 02:35:44,920
Speaker 2: of like all the spring training, like everybody's playing, and

3025
02:35:45,160 --> 02:35:46,959
Speaker 2: so I'll kind of dabble a little bit. Then I

3026
02:35:47,000 --> 02:35:49,000
Speaker 2: get tired of it, and then until the start of

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02:35:49,040 --> 02:35:52,039
Speaker 2: the season. But I do get that little kind of

3028
02:35:52,160 --> 02:35:55,879
Speaker 2: spring itch from spring training. Figgi, are you like that

3029
02:35:56,000 --> 02:35:56,280
Speaker 2: at all?

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02:35:57,879 --> 02:36:00,119
Speaker 5: Absolutely, because, uh, you know, I know it.

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02:36:00,120 --> 02:36:02,160
Speaker 1: It's a slow slog for a lot of people, but

3032
02:36:02,560 --> 02:36:05,320
Speaker 1: and I know baseball has the longest season and shortest

3033
02:36:05,320 --> 02:36:07,160
Speaker 1: off season, but man, it seems like it's been gone

3034
02:36:07,200 --> 02:36:09,280
Speaker 1: for too long, so I'm excited for it.

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02:36:10,480 --> 02:36:13,160
Speaker 4: I feel like to your point, guys are like there

3036
02:36:13,200 --> 02:36:16,080
Speaker 4: was something about you know you you mentioned earlier at

3037
02:36:16,080 --> 02:36:18,360
Speaker 4: the beginning of the show, because like what it's like

3038
02:36:18,879 --> 02:36:22,280
Speaker 4: when you've been just stuck in hibernation. There is a

3039
02:36:22,320 --> 02:36:25,800
Speaker 4: moment every year when you see spring training where you're like, Okay,

3040
02:36:26,240 --> 02:36:28,240
Speaker 4: we almost made it through. We're almost done with the

3041
02:36:28,280 --> 02:36:31,440
Speaker 4: whole winter thing. Like it does. I think it hits different,

3042
02:36:31,520 --> 02:36:35,560
Speaker 4: Like I followed, my interest in baseball falls off in

3043
02:36:35,600 --> 02:36:37,600
Speaker 4: the middle of the summer, when we're in the middle

3044
02:36:37,959 --> 02:36:40,960
Speaker 4: of the marathon. You know, but like in spring. Yeah,

3045
02:36:41,000 --> 02:36:43,600
Speaker 4: Like I've got some buddies that are out in Arizona

3046
02:36:43,680 --> 02:36:45,360
Speaker 4: doing the whole spring training thing, and I look at it.

3047
02:36:45,400 --> 02:36:47,280
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, I'm jealous. I wish I was. There'd

3048
02:36:47,320 --> 02:36:47,760
Speaker 4: be awesome.

3049
02:36:48,480 --> 02:36:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, see, and I could see you and I get listen,

3050
02:36:52,800 --> 02:36:54,640
Speaker 2: come July August.

3051
02:36:55,480 --> 02:36:57,680
Speaker 3: I mean you know, I mean it is.

3052
02:36:57,840 --> 02:37:02,920
Speaker 2: It's get there's a degree of not me that that occurs,

3053
02:37:03,280 --> 02:37:08,800
Speaker 2: which is truly why they need to just make September

3054
02:37:09,040 --> 02:37:13,640
Speaker 2: the playoffs. It's a lot easier to get to September

3055
02:37:13,840 --> 02:37:16,520
Speaker 2: for the playoffs than it is to have to go

3056
02:37:16,600 --> 02:37:19,600
Speaker 2: through you know, because September is good month. It would

3057
02:37:19,640 --> 02:37:23,400
Speaker 2: make August a better month of baseball if the playoffs

3058
02:37:23,400 --> 02:37:24,519
Speaker 2: started in September.

3059
02:37:25,280 --> 02:37:25,640
Speaker 3: Oh god.

3060
02:37:25,720 --> 02:37:27,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then we wouldn't have to even pretend to

3061
02:37:27,400 --> 02:37:30,080
Speaker 4: care about preseason football and all of its meaningless glory.

3062
02:37:30,120 --> 02:37:31,960
Speaker 4: Like yeah, and I'd be all in on that. Yeah,

3063
02:37:32,080 --> 02:37:36,480
Speaker 4: give me meaningful August baseball leading into September playoffs is

3064
02:37:36,520 --> 02:37:39,000
Speaker 4: a brilliant idea. And by the way, there's still nothing better.

3065
02:37:39,040 --> 02:37:40,800
Speaker 4: I don't care what time of the year we're talking about.

3066
02:37:40,800 --> 02:37:43,160
Speaker 4: There there's nothing better than just going and checking out

3067
02:37:43,200 --> 02:37:45,160
Speaker 4: a baseball game, right, we all know, right, Like it's

3068
02:37:45,680 --> 02:37:48,360
Speaker 4: you know, even in Connecticut they have the Hartford yard Goats,

3069
02:37:48,400 --> 02:37:51,600
Speaker 4: the minor league team. It's beautiful stadium and they constantly

3070
02:37:51,680 --> 02:37:54,440
Speaker 4: lead all minor league teams and attendance. And there's a

3071
02:37:54,480 --> 02:37:57,400
Speaker 4: reason the yard Goots put on a spectacular show, you know.

3072
02:37:57,560 --> 02:38:00,720
Speaker 4: So there's just there's something about, Yeah, it's a summer day,

3073
02:38:00,720 --> 02:38:02,200
Speaker 4: I don't know what to do today, Let's just go

3074
02:38:02,360 --> 02:38:04,840
Speaker 4: let's just go catch game. Like I think there's a

3075
02:38:04,840 --> 02:38:07,720
Speaker 4: beauty to that. But yeah, I'm excited for spring training

3076
02:38:07,760 --> 02:38:09,959
Speaker 4: to start, just because it feels like that means that

3077
02:38:10,000 --> 02:38:12,279
Speaker 4: the next chapter of sports is about to kitos.

3078
02:38:13,000 --> 02:38:14,360
Speaker 1: I just love the name yard Goats.

3079
02:38:14,400 --> 02:38:16,160
Speaker 5: That's one of the great mascots of all time.

3080
02:38:16,200 --> 02:38:16,760
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

3081
02:38:16,920 --> 02:38:19,680
Speaker 4: Hartford yard Goats.

3082
02:38:18,879 --> 02:38:20,680
Speaker 5: The main red clalls in the same area.

3083
02:38:20,720 --> 02:38:21,120
Speaker 3: I like it.

3084
02:38:21,760 --> 02:38:25,520
Speaker 4: I mean, the one of their alternate logos is the

3085
02:38:25,560 --> 02:38:28,600
Speaker 4: steamed cheeseburgers. Cheeseburgers.

3086
02:38:28,840 --> 02:38:30,320
Speaker 3: That's awesome quality.

3087
02:38:31,360 --> 02:38:33,680
Speaker 4: Man. I love minor league baseball like everything they put

3088
02:38:33,680 --> 02:38:35,640
Speaker 4: into it, and yeah, it's amazing.

3089
02:38:36,200 --> 02:38:39,240
Speaker 2: My wife called me a yard goat yesterday.

3090
02:38:40,200 --> 02:38:42,080
Speaker 5: You know, she could have called you so many worse things.

3091
02:38:42,080 --> 02:38:48,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, it's time. Now, what are we

3092
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Speaker 2: watching over the weekend? We always play this at the

3093
02:38:52,400 --> 02:38:55,320
Speaker 2: end of the show. I'll start with our production team

3094
02:38:56,280 --> 02:38:59,879
Speaker 2: and Ian, what are you watching this week?

3095
02:39:00,080 --> 02:39:04,280
Speaker 3: Can so tell me?

3096
02:39:04,520 --> 02:39:08,520
Speaker 2: Give me a sport game or anything shot, whatever you

3097
02:39:08,560 --> 02:39:09,039
Speaker 2: want to watch.

3098
02:39:09,200 --> 02:39:11,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love the perfect dunk and he was not

3099
02:39:11,920 --> 02:39:12,520
Speaker 4: there to dunk it.

3100
02:39:12,680 --> 02:39:14,400
Speaker 13: No, I'm here, I'm here, I'm here, I got I

3101
02:39:14,440 --> 02:39:15,480
Speaker 13: caught the lob a little late.

3102
02:39:15,480 --> 02:39:16,640
Speaker 4: I'm going up for the putback.

3103
02:39:16,760 --> 02:39:20,280
Speaker 13: I'm watching Survivor Millennials versus gen X.

3104
02:39:20,280 --> 02:39:21,680
Speaker 4: I'm in the middle of that season right now.

3105
02:39:21,720 --> 02:39:25,880
Speaker 3: I'm hooked. All right, all right, I like it. What

3106
02:39:25,920 --> 02:39:27,280
Speaker 3: do you say there, money Mock.

3107
02:39:27,879 --> 02:39:30,600
Speaker 12: I'll find some old movie like The Goodbye Girl.

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02:39:30,640 --> 02:39:31,879
Speaker 1: I'll watch some old movie.

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02:39:34,120 --> 02:39:37,720
Speaker 2: Hi, girl, you're the best part. Uh Figgy, what are

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02:39:37,760 --> 02:39:38,720
Speaker 2: we watching, Buddy?

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02:39:38,959 --> 02:39:40,600
Speaker 1: I know you guys are not keen on the NBA

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02:39:40,840 --> 02:39:42,959
Speaker 1: Big matches, but there's some nice ones on Sunday. I'm

3113
02:39:42,959 --> 02:39:46,680
Speaker 1: looking for it. To Lakers Phoenix, Clipper Sacramento and Philadelphia Milwaukee.

3114
02:39:46,720 --> 02:39:47,760
Speaker 1: I think we'll be a good one today.

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02:39:47,840 --> 02:39:51,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm excited for tomorrow. NBA hoops. FITZI what

3116
02:39:52,000 --> 02:39:52,800
Speaker 2: you got baby?

3117
02:39:53,200 --> 02:39:55,400
Speaker 4: Headed to the stadium tomorrow for the opening of the

3118
02:39:55,400 --> 02:39:58,720
Speaker 4: season for MLS for Nashville SC. Gona go out there

3119
02:39:58,760 --> 02:40:01,840
Speaker 4: and wear some highlight yellow and be a soccer nut.

3120
02:40:01,959 --> 02:40:02,920
Speaker 4: So yeah, I can't wait.

3121
02:40:03,040 --> 02:40:03,640
Speaker 3: Very cool.

3122
02:40:03,959 --> 02:40:05,840
Speaker 1: MLS is an excellent in person for sure.

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02:40:06,000 --> 02:40:06,400
Speaker 4: I love it.

3124
02:40:06,480 --> 02:40:11,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fantastic. Listen, enjoy it, fellas. We love you guys.

3125
02:40:11,280 --> 02:40:12,800
Speaker 2: Have great week, See you next week.