1 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: I saw this viral video while I was on vacation. 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: Let's play the clip. 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 2: Do you know what happens after your funeral? In a 5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 2: few short hours, the crying will die down and your 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: family will be busy making arrangements for food or drink. 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: Some of your relatives will start discussing current events over coffee, 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 2: and some people will call your family to tell them 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 2: that they can't make it in person because of an emergency. 10 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 2: Your employer will begin to search for your replacement. In 11 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 2: a few days, your children will go back to work 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: because their bereavement leave has run out. In a month, 13 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 2: your spouse will be watching a comedy on TV and 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: start to laugh. You'll be forgotten at an astonishing pace. 15 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: If people will forget you so easily, then who are 16 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: you living your life for? You spend your whole life 17 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: worrying about what people will think about you. They don't, 18 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: so live your life for you. Remember, life is too 19 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: short to be lived for others approval. Embrace your true 20 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: self and make your own happiness a priority. 21 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: My family says, I talk about my own death too much, 22 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: But let's talk about it some more in the video. 23 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: We're supposed to be sad that our family and friends 24 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: are moving on, that they'll laugh even on the day 25 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 1: that they're burying you. I think this is the wrong mindset. 26 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: You should want your family and friends to move on 27 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: when you're gone. You should want them to laugh at 28 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: something funny and hopefully remember that you would have laughed 29 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: at that too. There's this crazy idea that we're the 30 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: center of the universe and that everyone's life has to 31 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: stop when we die. I've had Twitter friends die, people 32 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: that I knew primarily on the app, but who I 33 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: liked a lot. When people find out someone died they 34 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: knew online, they're sad. They may post remembrances and stories, 35 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: but minutes later they'll be retweeting the latest news and tape. 36 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: I love my online friends. They mean something to me, 37 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: but this is precisely why you have to live your 38 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 1: life offline. Your Twitter friends will be sad, but very 39 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: quickly move on. Your family and friends in real life 40 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: should move on too, but they'll carry your memory with 41 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: them in a way that your online friends really just can't. 42 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: But even still, you don't want your real life family 43 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 1: and friends to stop living the idea that if I die, 44 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: I want my family to grieve me NonStop in forever. 45 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: I absolutely do not. And the message in that video 46 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: that if people aren't tearing at their clothes and wailing 47 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: all the time because of your absence means that you 48 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: should have lived only for yourself and not for anyone else. 49 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: It's crazy. If we do this thing right, we'll be 50 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: living our lives for ourselves and for other people. When 51 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: I go, I want my kids to not only they 52 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: move on, I want them to thrive. I mean, of course, 53 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: remember our times together. Miss me, sure, because it would 54 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: just be weird if they didn't and I didn't raise sociopath. 55 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: But then go out there and live this big, wonderful 56 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: life that we get to have. Hopefully my kids will 57 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: have their own families, and they'll live both for their 58 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: children and for themselves and for their spouse and for 59 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: all the people that they love around them. The fact 60 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: that people's lives won't stop when you die is a 61 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: good thing, and you should use that information to live 62 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: a more fulfilling life, not just you know, stick two 63 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: middle fingers in the air and say nothing matters. It's 64 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: an opportunity to really live a full, healthy life that 65 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: you only get so much time here, and yes, not 66 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: everyone's going to carry you around with them when you go. 67 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: Coming up next and interview with Randy Barnett. Join us 68 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: after the break. Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show 69 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio. My guest today is Randy Barnett, Professor of 70 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: Constitutional Law at Georgetown Los Center, where he directs the 71 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: Georgetown Center for the Constitution. His new book is called 72 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: A Life for Liberty The Making of an American Originalist. 73 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: Get it now wherever you buy your books. So nice 74 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: to have you on, Randy. 75 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 3: Well, thanks for having me, Carol. I'm looking forward to 76 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 3: this a lot me too. 77 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: So is Life of Liberty and Autobiography. 78 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,559 Speaker 3: Yes, it is. I started off the idea of writing 79 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 3: it for my grandchildren because I've done so many things 80 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 3: in my life that by the time they're old enough 81 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 3: to understand them, I might not be around to tell 82 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 3: them about it. So I set out to write this 83 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 3: story for them, and that the book is dedicated to them. 84 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 3: But in the course of writing it, I learned a 85 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 3: lot of life lessons, or I took life lessons from 86 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: the book that I think would appeal to a larger 87 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: audience than just my grandchildren, most particularly younger people who 88 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 3: are looking to make a career for themselves in advancing 89 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 3: ideas that they care about. In my case, it was 90 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 3: justice and liberty and how one can go about doing that, 91 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 3: even if one starts with a background that really is 92 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: not all that clued into how you go about doing 93 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 3: these things. I tell the story about what I did right, 94 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 3: but I also tell a lot of stories about what 95 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 3: I did wrong in the course of getting to where 96 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 3: I am today. 97 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: So what was the beginning for you? How did you 98 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: get on this path? 99 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, really it starts with my father, who 100 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 3: was an ultimate contrarian. He was a conservative Jew and 101 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: who was from the South Side of Chicago, a kind 102 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 3: of a street fighting guy who was in a gang 103 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 3: at some point during his youth, and he was a 104 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 3: tough guy. 105 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: He was. 106 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 3: My nickname for him when I was little was most Man, 107 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: because that's what he was. But he was also a 108 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 3: very principal conservative. I found out late in life that 109 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 3: he'd read Iron Ran earlier on the Fountainhead. I didn't 110 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 3: know that until a long time after that, and I 111 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 3: got my political principles from him. I also got my 112 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 3: the sort of the role model that said, you stand 113 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 3: up for your principles and you don't back down when challenged. 114 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 3: And because he did e or back down, I love that. 115 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: He sounds amazing. That's exactly my kind of person. Rand 116 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: Paul referred to you as pioneering contrarianism in the blurb 117 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: for your book. What did he mean by that? I 118 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: mean he's pretty contrarian. 119 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's one contrary into another. I mean, that's 120 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 3: that's that's why one of the reasons he likes me, 121 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 3: I think. And I was a senior advisor to his 122 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 3: presidential campaign, so I got to know him a lot 123 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 3: better during that campaign than I did before. My dad 124 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 3: was a contrarian. To give you some idea, you know 125 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 3: that in those days, there were Chevy families. That was 126 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: the most popular car. There were Ford families, the next 127 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 3: most popular car. Naturally, we were a Chrysler family because 128 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 3: my dad was an automobile mechanic and he thought Kaisler 129 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 3: had the best power trained in the business, although he 130 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: admitted their bodies tended to rust out in the wintertime. 131 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 3: There was McDonald's families because that's the most popular hamburger. 132 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 3: There were Burger King families, not us. We were Prince 133 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 3: Castle family, and I had no idea. There was an 134 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 3: obscure chain in northwest Indiana that I don't know what 135 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: happened to it, but he thought those were the best burgers, 136 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 3: so he would go what he thought was best by 137 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 3: his own lights. And that's kind of where I go. 138 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: And that took me to being a Jewish kid in 139 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 3: a Polish Catholic town of Caliuit City, where of the 140 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 3: four hundred kids in my high school graduating class, there 141 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 3: were four Jews. So I was kind of the Jewish outcast, 142 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: or not outcast. I was very successful actually socially, but 143 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 3: I felt like an outcast sometimes I was the Jewish 144 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 3: kid in the Catholic town. But then I was the 145 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 3: conservative kid amongst the Jews in northwest Indiana. In my synagogue, 146 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 3: which was across the state line, I was literally from 147 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 3: the wrong side of the state line as far as 148 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 3: they were concerned. But I was this conservative kid with 149 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 3: all these liberal Jews, and so I had to stand 150 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 3: up for myself there as well. So I never really 151 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 3: fit one hundred percent into any social group. And Murray Rothbard, 152 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 3: this famous libertarian, once told me that he thought that 153 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 3: was one of the causes of people becoming intellectuals because 154 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 3: they never fit completely within their group. They could kind 155 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 3: of see the group in an objective way as an 156 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: outsider that people within the group could never see. And 157 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 3: maybe that was part of the reason I became an intellectual, right. 158 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you have to defend your opinions, I think 159 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: that that goes a long way towards making you an 160 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: intellectual and really having to get into why you believe 161 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: what you believe. I think a lot of people think 162 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: contrarians just kind of disagree for the sake of it. 163 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: But I think a lot of the time, it's, like 164 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: you said, you end up being the only one and 165 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: it's you against the mob. It's you against the crowd, 166 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: and you need to kind of represent what you believe 167 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: and do it well. 168 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, near the end of his life, I told my 169 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 3: dad that I thought he was a contrarian. He took 170 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 3: it kind of as an insult because it was sort 171 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 3: of like, he's just a contrary guy. But he wasn't 172 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 3: really a contrary guy. I'm not a contrary guy. I'm 173 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 3: kind of a hat a glass half full guy, kind 174 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 3: of a happy warrior guy. It's just that I'm prepared 175 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 3: to look elsewhere for answers than what the mainstream is 176 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 3: offering at any given time. And when I am in 177 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 3: the mainstream and it happens every once in a while, 178 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 3: it makes me feel a little uncomfortable, Like, what's wrong? 179 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: Really? 180 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like, well, you know, I'm going with 181 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 3: the flow here, but I wonder if I should. 182 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: Be right the question of like I usually find all 183 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: these people to be wrong, Am I wrong this time 184 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: for being on the same side of them? 185 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? 186 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 3: I get that. 187 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: So a question that I ask all of my guests, 188 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: and I'd love to hear your answer, is what do 189 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: you think is our largest cultural problem? 190 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: Well, I think we are in a culture war, and 191 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 3: I think our largest cultural problem is the rewriting of 192 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 3: American history to make America and the West, but in 193 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 3: the United States in particular, the bad guys in the history, 194 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 3: in the story of the world, when in fact we 195 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 3: are the good guys. Now, being the good guy doesn't 196 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 3: mean you are perfect. Some of the best heroes in 197 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 3: film played by John Wayne have flaws, and we have 198 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 3: our flaws. But every people has their flaws, every society 199 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 3: has their flaws, and our flaws are better than others, 200 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 3: and our virtues are way better. And so I think 201 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 3: the biggest problem we face is a concerted effort to 202 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 3: undercut the American culture and not teach it and not 203 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 3: transmit it to the future generations of young people. And 204 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 3: we can only hope that social media and alternate sources 205 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 3: of information will do an end run around in some 206 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 3: respects the establishment's desire to brainwash Americans into thinking America 207 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 3: is the bad guy and not the good guy. 208 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: So you do think it's solvable. You think you're an optimist, 209 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: You think that we could turn this around. 210 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 3: I think optimism is a little too strong. I don't 211 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 3: really know, but I'm hopeful, and I certainly don't think 212 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 3: the battle is lost. In fact, one way to look 213 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 3: at this is the battle for liberty is never one 214 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 3: because there are always going to be significant opponents of liberty. 215 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 3: The battle for liberty can only be lost. You can 216 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 3: lose it, completely lose it. But as long as you 217 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 3: haven't completely lost it, you're doing okay. You know you're 218 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 3: in the game, and you can never completely win it. 219 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 3: So it's always going to be a struggle to preserve 220 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 3: liberty no matter what the situation is. 221 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: Where do you see the threats to liberty in America 222 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:42,239 Speaker 1: right now. 223 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 3: Well, right now, I see it from essentially left wing 224 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 3: or wokeism that has infected one of the two major 225 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 3: political parties. When when you grow up, when I grew up, 226 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 3: there were liberals and they were conservatives. Now I have 227 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 3: to say, as I talk about in my book, at 228 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 3: the age of twelve years old, I debated on being 229 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 3: half of Barry Goldwater in front of my entire ye junior, 230 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 3: high school and grade school student body. So even at 231 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 3: twelve years old, my twelve year in my twelve year 232 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 3: old heart, I thought he was right, but I was 233 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 3: debating against liberals. In fact, one of my mentors that 234 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 3: I talk about in the book, my band director Mike Landis, 235 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 3: who had a big influence on me after my dad. 236 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 3: He was my next mentor. He was on the left 237 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 3: or he was a liberal. So instead of my dad 238 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 3: arguing with me from the right, I had Mike Landis 239 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 3: arguing with me from liberals. But he was a liberal, 240 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 3: he was not a leftist. And what's happened is leftism, 241 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 3: cultural Marxism, whatever you want to call it, is displacing 242 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 3: liberalism as sort of the animating political force of the 243 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 3: Democratic Party, and that is a big problem in a 244 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 3: two party system, and so that that is really one 245 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 3: of our biggest threats, if not the underlying cultural problem 246 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 3: that I believe is a real challenge. 247 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: So I completely agree. I just think that I get 248 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: asked a lot, well, how are they challenging, like, how 249 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: are they actually challenging liberty? They're not making laws to 250 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: limit liberty, are they? And I get that argument a lot, 251 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: But are are they passing laws to limit liberty? Do 252 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: you see that happening? 253 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, right now, what we're seeing is with 254 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 3: respect to Jewish people, we're seeing street violence being committed 255 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 3: against Jewish people, including you know, but primarily in cities 256 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 3: that are controlled by democratic politicians. And I'm Jewish, as 257 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 3: I mentioned earlier, and believe in fighting back. It's one 258 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 3: of the reasons why my dad instilled in me a 259 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 3: belief in the importance of the right to keep and 260 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 3: bear arms, that Jews should never go passively or quietly 261 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 3: into the night. Again, that that was one of the 262 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 3: lessons of the Holocaust, was that we should be armed. 263 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 3: And I and he taught me how to use weapons 264 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 3: at a young age, and I you know, I'm armed today. 265 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: I have a CCW permit. I had originally one in 266 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 3: now my permits in Florida because I don't live in 267 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 3: DC anymore. So I do think that we have a 268 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 3: real threat to Jewish existence here in this country. But 269 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: it's coming, I think, from an organized group of Islamo 270 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 3: fascist actors that are being organized and subsidized by foreign governments. 271 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 3: We have a and here is where the domination of 272 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 3: the Democratic Party gets in the way. What we have 273 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 3: is a Democrat administration and a Department of Justice that 274 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 3: will not do the job it was devised to do, 275 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 3: which is to protect the people from terrorism. The DOJ 276 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 3: was founded during the Grant administration to protect the American people, 277 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 3: to protect free blacks and Republicans in the South from 278 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 3: organized terrorist violence. That's why we have a Department of 279 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 3: There was an Attorney General, but we didn't have a 280 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 3: Department of Justice until we had this problem. And right 281 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 3: now the Department of Justice is not doing the job 282 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,119 Speaker 3: it needs to be doing to ferret out the sources 283 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 3: of this obviously organized campaign against the sactity of Jews, 284 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 3: which is not actually about Jewish people. It's really about 285 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 3: America and the American way of life. This is part 286 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 3: of jihadi cause. To underline the West, it's happening in Europe, 287 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 3: it's happening here. We are not immune. As the point 288 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 3: and where the Democratic Party is falling down is in 289 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 3: not standing up because they have been so undermined from 290 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 3: within by their left wing contingent that they are not 291 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 3: able to stand up to what is a genuine threat 292 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 3: to them as well as to us. 293 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right 294 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcowitz Show. So does the constitution 295 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: provide a way to fight back? 296 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 3: Yes, it does, and it's called elections. And when the 297 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 3: left has essentially taken over or undermined almost all of 298 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 3: our major institutions, there is one avenue left and that 299 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 3: is political power. We just saw that in the New 300 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 3: York congressional race. One of the members of the Hamas 301 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 3: party was defeated by a Democrat. So Democrats won. Hamas 302 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 3: lost in that race because that Jews got organized and 303 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 3: voted in en mass to get that of a result, 304 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 3: having previously voted for the incumbent in the last election 305 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 3: over a Jewish person who was holding that seat to 306 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 3: begin with. So we're seeing democracy use that. We see it. 307 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 3: Federalism is one of the most important ways we have 308 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 3: that the Constitution has given us to fight back. I 309 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 3: am now a citizen or resident of the state of Florida, 310 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 3: although I am sitting here right now in the Central Virginia, 311 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 3: but I'm a resident of the state of Florida, and 312 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 3: I moved there from DC because I like the form 313 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 3: of government they had there better than the form of 314 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 3: government we had in the d C. And that's because 315 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 3: of federalism. And so we have enclaves within this country 316 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 3: that from which we can provide a base in which 317 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 3: we can fight back against this And if we didn't 318 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 3: have a federalist system, there wouldn't be those enclaves. So 319 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 3: that's a very important thing that the Constitution has preserved, 320 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 3: notwithstanding all the checks and balances that have been overridden 321 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 3: by Supreme Court rulings over the years. 322 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: So I tend to ask my guests, what would you 323 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: be doing if you weren't doing this? But I kind 324 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: of can't see you doing anything but defending liberty. Would 325 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: you have a plan? 326 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 3: Be Well, in twenty sixteen, when I thought that Hillary 327 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 3: was going to win and Trump was going to lose, 328 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 3: and therefore I thought the Scalia seat was going to 329 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 3: be filled by the Democrat, by Hillary, and it probably 330 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 3: wasn't going to be Merrick Arland, it would be somebody else. 331 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 3: I thought it was really going to be game over 332 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 3: for the Constitution in this country, and it wasn't going 333 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 3: to be in my interest anymore, given how old I 334 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 3: am to continue to fight for the original meaning of 335 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 3: the Constitution, which is something that I've been fighting for 336 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 3: for the last thirty years, as evident as I discussed 337 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 3: in my book. So what my plan was to go 338 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 3: back to teaching contract law, which is what I taught 339 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 3: before I taught constitutional law, and then retire and enjoy 340 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 3: the remaining years of my life. So I think maybe 341 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 3: I would have sort of given up the fight at 342 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 3: least for the Constitution. But then lo and behold, Trump won, 343 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 3: and we knew, yeah, we did lose the Supreme Court, 344 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 3: and we got a lot of great judges appointed to 345 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 3: the Court of Appeals, and so it was a huge victory. 346 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 3: And that victory was made possible not only by Trump winning, 347 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 3: but by the fact that for twenty or thirty years, 348 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 3: the originalism movement within JIC within legal conservatism has triumphed, 349 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 3: has has developed. I've been part of the parcel of 350 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 3: developing the theory of originalism, and that coupled with the 351 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 3: mandate that Trump used to get himself the nomination, which 352 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 3: is by pledging to appoint originalist judges and then having 353 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 3: a White House counsel don again fulfill that promise. That's 354 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 3: how we got to winning. And so I didn't I 355 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 3: didn't have to go to my plan. 356 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: B Yeah, that's great. I mean it's funny that I 357 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: don't feel like there's enough credit given to the fact 358 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: that there was a plan and that plan was implemented. 359 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: Did It wasn't just like kind of loose ideals in 360 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: the air. It was like, this is how it's going 361 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: to go, This is how, you know, how how we're 362 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: going to get our ideas through. And Trump was such 363 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,959 Speaker 1: a huge player in that. It could have if it 364 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: wasn't Donald Trump. You know, do you think a different 365 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: Republican would have gone along with it? Yeah. 366 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,479 Speaker 3: Well, I was a campaign advisor to Rand Paul and 367 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 3: he was one of the first candidates to take off 368 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 3: after Trump, although he worked with Trump very well when 369 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 3: Trump was president, and I would have preferred rand As 370 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 3: as my candidate, and I think he would have done 371 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 3: all the right things, especially with respect to the Constitution, 372 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 3: which he cares very very much about. And I talk 373 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 3: a lot about rand in my role in his campaign 374 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 3: in the book, as well as him inviting me in 375 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 3: to interview Justice Kavanaugh and interview Justice Barrett while he 376 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 3: was they were doing their rounds of Senate interviews. He helped. 377 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 3: He invited me in to participate in their interviews. I 378 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 3: talk about that in the book as well. So I 379 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 3: do think other Republicans would have done okay, and I 380 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 3: actually think they would. They would have been pretty They 381 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 3: would have had a good chance of defeating the most 382 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 3: one of the most unpopular Democratic nominees in our history. 383 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 3: But there's no telling whether they would have broken through 384 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 3: in Pennsylvania the way Trump did. It's hard to know. 385 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 3: We may have come out ahead. But I can really 386 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 3: understand in hindsight why the voters Republican voters picked Trump, 387 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 3: which is they thought they were tired of being lied to. 388 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 3: They were tired of people telling them a conservatives singing 389 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 3: conservative song and then after election not doing anything about it. 390 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 3: And they thought Trump was independent enough and maybe even 391 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 3: crazy enough to do what he promised. And it turns 392 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 3: out that in some respects he did do what he promised. 393 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: Right, Can you see yourself working in politics some more 394 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: in the future. 395 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 3: No, I think that was kind of a one off deal. 396 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 3: Although I was interested in helping Governor Desanis in his 397 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 3: campaign had he gotten the nomination, I would have done 398 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 3: everything I could to help him out. He didn't invite 399 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 3: me into his campaign the way Ran did, But I 400 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 3: really he was the guy I thought combined both substance 401 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:59,719 Speaker 3: and courage and guts and tactics. But you know, it 402 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 3: wasn't his year, and we have to make the best 403 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 3: of the situation, and I don't think the I think 404 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 3: the choice that we now face is pretty clear cut. 405 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, But you know, we get to have 406 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: him as our governor, both of us being Floridians. I 407 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: think that's you know, there is a big plus for us, 408 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: a big upside to that because without him, those Republican 409 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: legislators are going to go back to being regular Republicans again. Right, 410 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: we can't really tell what's going to happen after him. 411 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: I hope he's laying down the foundation enough to keep 412 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: his style going after he's out. 413 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 3: But you know, I do believe in the so called 414 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 3: great Man theory of history. That is, it matters who 415 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 3: the individuals are, and I think he's a special guy, 416 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 3: and the existence of leadership makes a big difference. I mean, 417 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 3: it would be nice. I think if we had a 418 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 3: president of the United States. Currently, our system sort of 419 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 3: presupposes we have a president, but the current guy who 420 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 3: holds the office is obviously not in a position to 421 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 3: call all the shots. We don't really know who is 422 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 3: and so even bad leadership is better than no leadership 423 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 3: at all. And that's kind of what the situation is 424 00:21:59,240 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 3: right now. 425 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: Right Do you feel like you've made it? 426 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 3: I think I've exceeded any reasonable expectations I had for myself, 427 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 3: which was actually not this high. I mean, I'm yes. 428 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 3: The answer is I have done a lot more than 429 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 3: I ever dreamed I would. I never had a bucket list, 430 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 3: but if I have had at I have a retroactive 431 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 3: bucket list. After I do something, I think, oh wow, 432 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 3: that should be on a bucket list. Like I've been 433 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 3: a criminal prosecutor. I've been a criminal prosecutor of argued 434 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 3: juries in criminal cases in Chicago. I've argued in the 435 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 3: Supreme Court of the United States. I've played a prosecutor 436 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 3: in a science fiction movie called An Alienable which you 437 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 3: can watch on YouTube that's available for free streaming. And 438 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 3: I've had an impact in my writings on the direction 439 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 3: of constitutional law in this country. If you told me 440 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 3: when I was a law student in the nineteen seventies 441 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 3: and I was getting turned off of constitutional law by 442 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 3: reading all these Supreme Court cases that forty years later 443 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 3: we would have a Supreme Court now who are committed 444 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 3: to the original meeting of the Constitution, even though they 445 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 3: disagree with each other about a lot. I would have 446 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 3: told you you were on something, and I would know 447 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 3: what you were smoking. We've made more progress between that 448 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 3: day and this day than I ever could have imagined. 449 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 3: But nevertheless, the situation in other respects, you know, is 450 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 3: not going so well. 451 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: It's funny because you say you're not an optimist, but 452 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: this has been a very optimistic conversation. I feel good, 453 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: you know after talking to you. 454 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 3: Well, I'm a glass half full guy, which as a 455 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 3: opposed to half empty guy. That doesn't make you an 456 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 3: optimist about the future, but it does make you focus 457 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 3: on the blessings of the present, such as they are. 458 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 3: And I think we have a lot to be grateful for. 459 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 3: And we have a country that's worth fighting for, and 460 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 3: we have the means at our disposal to fight and elections, 461 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 3: as I say, is one of the very most important 462 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 3: ways in which we can start to push back. We 463 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 3: can continue to push back against the world culture that 464 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 3: is undermining American ideals. There is a lot of pushback 465 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 3: now to wokism that previous was just infecting academia where 466 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 3: I live. It's gone out, it's metastasized, it's in the culture. 467 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 3: It's got the Walt disneyfication of the entire culture. But 468 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 3: there's a tremendous amount of pushback now and that's very hopeful. 469 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: I like that a lot, and I'm going to be 470 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: hopeful after this conversation. So I love talking to you, Randy. 471 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: You're such an interesting person. You're one of my favorite 472 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: people to follow on Twitter. And here with your best 473 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: tip for my listeners on how they could be happy warriors, 474 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: how they can improve their lives. 475 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,959 Speaker 3: Live your life as though you're going to write a memoir, 476 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 3: because what will that be. That'll mean everything you do 477 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 3: are going to be things that you're going to one 478 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 3: day be proud to have done. So live your life. 479 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 3: I mean, this is what I learned from writing a memoir. 480 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 3: I have to admit my memoir talks a lot about 481 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 3: the mistakes I made along the way. Live your life 482 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 3: so that you can write a memoir about all the 483 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 3: right choices that you made, and I think that would 484 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 3: be a good guide to making choices for your future. Also, 485 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 3: develop mentors. I was helped along. I didn't do everything 486 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 3: by myself. I had key mentors along the way. And 487 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 3: then thank your mentors while you still can't before they 488 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 3: pass from the scene. 489 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: I like that advice a lot. He is Randy Barnett. 490 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: His book is A Life for Liberty, The Making of 491 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: an American Originalist. Thank you so much for being. 492 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 3: On, Randy, Thanks for having me, Carol. 493 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marcowitch Show. 494 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.