WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 10/5: Three Up, Three Down from Patriots at Cowboys, Concern Level with Mac Jones 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:06.840 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:10.680 Lazar and Alex Barth and Lazarre. 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:17.640 Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us always. 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:19.920 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barr. 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:26.079 Actually like Robert Solo, Okay, it's gonna leave that there. 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:28.760 I I like him less this year than I have 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:30.360 in the past, But this is actually one of the 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:32.400 few guys that I generally don't like to take shots at. 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:37.760 That's crazy, that that was crazy. That was crazy. But 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.760 in in every you know, in your defense, Alex, I 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:42.800 I took a lot of shots at Mike McCarthy last week, 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:44.880 and I was dead wrong. Yeah, I was dead wrong 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:47.280 about that. So we'll get into that. It's Evan Lazar 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:50.040 Alex Barth with you for the next couple of hours 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:52.520 here on Patriots Catch twenty two. We got some things 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:54.560 to look back. We're gonna do a post mortem. We're 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:56.680 gonna talk about the Dallas game. We're gonna do three up, 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:58.840 three down, or it's a little bit of a different 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.120 version of three up three this week, I should say, 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:03.120 and I'll tell you why in a few minutes. And 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:06.240 then we also have Nick Underhill calling in from NOLA 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:09.440 Dot football. We haven't done this before a call in guess, 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:12.360 but I wanted to have Nick Collin and get to 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:14.200 know the Saints a little bit. He's the best on 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:16.720 the Saints, and it is a team we don't see 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:18.520 very often up here, so I thought it'd be good 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:21.360 to get somebody on the inside down there that knows 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.360 what's going on in New Orleans. So we're gonna talk 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:25.560 some Saints with Nick and preview the Saints and do 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:28.240 our key matchups. But I have a couple of things 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:30.560 that I wanted to get off my chest here at 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:32.760 the beginning of the show. And I should also say that, 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:34.560 you know, I've been a little bit under the weather 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:36.480 this week, as you know, Alex, and so hopefully my 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:38.800 voice doesn't like crap out at some point in the 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:40.880 next two hours. But we'll cross that bridge when we 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:44.720 get to it. The first thing is that I want 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.560 to talk about a couple of things with the Patriots 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:52.080 offense and where we're headed here. Number one, I want 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:55.640 to address people that have been saying the last couple 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.320 of days since the debacle in Dallas, and it was 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.680 an outright debacle. I was there in person, and it 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.880 was not fun to Witness Live. I'm sure it wasn't 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.559 fun for you guys watching it on TV. The people 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:10.000 that have come out and said the Patriots should tank 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:14.240 the rest of the season, And it's not like that 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:16.360 big of a thing. I'm not trying to make a 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:19.000 mountain out of a mole hill here. But as somebody 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.720 that is privileged to see a lot of the inner 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:24.320 workings of the organization, Alex, you see plenty of it 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:29.080 yourself as well. Yeah, this starts for the coaches and 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:32.200 the players and the people within this building all the 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.160 way back in the spring, right like you start with 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:39.240 you know, OTAs and off season program and then rookie 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.480 mini camp and mini camp, and like all the way 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:46.640 back in April. Obviously the front office and personnel people 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.919 they started at the combine and free agency and the drift. 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:52.919 The people in these walls and in this building are 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:57.200 not going to tank, right, Okay, Like, the amount of 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.480 work that gets put into a football season for this 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:06.040 organization is way too much to even put the word 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:10.119 tank out there to these people. So I understand the 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:13.480 bigger picture of why you tank, and I understand why 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.640 fans think that they should at least be quiet tanking. 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:19.760 Maybe not like full on like you know, throwing interceptions 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.440 to lose the game type of thing, but they should 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:26.400 be quiet tanking. And I get the premise, but I 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:29.919 think it's a little bit. It's it's so much deeper 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:31.959 than that. So to that point, you know, we're gonna 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.400 talk about the J. C. Jackson trade and all that 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:36.480 sort of thing, and I think that that speaks to it. 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:38.640 I heard a lot of people that said that, you know, 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:41.840 why even bother, why even bother making this trade. The 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:43.960 bottom line is is that the Patriots are not going 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.880 to tank. They're never gonna tank, and they I honestly 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:49.240 don't think that they should ever tank. Now, there's a 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.839 difference between full on tanking and what I just said, 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:55.480 quiet tanking. Right, Like, you know, you're probably not gonna 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:57.280 win a Super Bowl this year, right, they know that, 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:01.600 But you're not gonna have a team that's gonna tank. 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:04.080 It's just not gonna happen here. And I think it's 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:06.240 you know, I don't want to use the word disrespectful, 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.160 but it's just you got to think about all the 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.760 work that gets put in and all the guys in 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:12.880 the locker room and all the players on this team, 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.400 and some of these guys too, like mind you or 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:17.400 free agents at the end of the year, so there 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.520 their livelihoods are at stake to put good film out there. 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.520 No one's tanking in the Patriots, no one. 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:27.520 Yeah, And I think a lot of people don't understand 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:31.160 how tanking works. Like you see people say all the time, 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:33.200 why would the coach try this? If they're trying to tank, 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:37.880 why would the players? Tanking happens from the general manager 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:44.280 level up right there? In any context, quiet tank, obvious tank, 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:46.120 where you're tank from the start of the year, where 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:51.640 you're tanking starting in November. There is never any incentive 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:54.920 for a coach and player to tank because even if 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.800 the team the organization wants to lose games for the 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:03.680 purpose of draft position the play, why would the players 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.640 want that? Right They odds are if you're a tanking team, 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:08.560 you're probably overhauling the roster. That means most of the 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.000 players won't be around next year. They want to put 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:14.159 good plays on tape so they can go elsewhere and 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:15.840 still be on a team in the future, even if 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.280 it's not that team. The same goes for coaches. They 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.200 don't want to lose their jobs. They want to prove, 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:22.680 whether it's to the organization they're working for and I'm 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:26.159 just talking in generalities here, or another organization that they're 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:30.240 still employable. The general manager is the lowest level where 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.159 a tank comes from, because he may put together a 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:34.680 team that he looks at it and says, this team 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:36.000 will get me in the top five of the draft 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.400 or whatever it may be. When the coach is the GM, 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:44.120 that goes away. Right, So, if they're gonna tank at 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.800 this point, it's not coming from Bill. Bill's trying to 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.919 win games. There's zero incentive, believe it or not. And 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:52.760 people go, oh, well, doesn't he want a better quarterback? No, 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.160 there's no incentive for Bill Belichick to tank at this point. 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.480 No. I mean, frankly, his job security right on the 0:05:58.520 --> 0:05:59.039 line a little bit. 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.800 If they're picking in the top five, he might not 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:03.000 be the one making that pick. 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:04.680 And then what is the tech week I can talk 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:06.240 about if you should be the one making that pick. 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.520 And we'll probably get to that at some point down 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.120 the road if it calls for it. So I is 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.440 there anybody really between Bill and Robert? I guess would 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:16.919 be my question. And Robert's not gonna tank, And I 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.359 go back to people might roll their eyes at this, 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.320 but I go back to, uh, you watch the last dance, right, 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:23.840 she watched the last dance. It was in the first 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:27.640 or second episode. It's Michael Jordan's rookie year and the 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:30.640 Bulls they're not great yet. It's the last game of 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.159 the year against the Knicks and they need to lose 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.080 to have like a shot at the number one overall 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:36.560 pick in the lottery or whatever it is. It's some 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:38.279 sort of draft thing and it's like kind of big 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:42.880 and they tell Michael Jordan like, hey, stop trying right, 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.000 stop scoring. We need to lose this game. And he 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:46.840 is furious. They have to pull him out of the 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.160 game because he means, what do you mean draft position? 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.320 This is a game that's being played right here, right now. 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:55.599 I'm gonna win it. And I think that mentality, and 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:57.360 this applies to more than tanking, but I think you 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:59.240 see that mentality with a lot of the greats and 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.600 sports I always had. I believe like Tom Brady has 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:04.080 that mentality right, he wouldn't go into a season. There 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:06.039 was some talk in twenty nineteen or at the end 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.279 of his time in Tampa that, oh, he's just phoning it. 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:08.440 In. 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:10.800 I don't think he's a guy that had that capacity. 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.679 I don't think that's something that would cross his mind. Yeah, 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.360 I think the whole concept of tanking is something it's 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:18.000 not even his Bill Belichick considering it. 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.360 I don't think he's wired that way. Yeah, no, or 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:21.280 he would believe in that. 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.080 So you can put the tanking away right now. That's 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.679 not gonna happen. That's not how they're they're wired. And again, 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.280 I hate it. When what was it? 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:29.520 It was? 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.080 It was the Texans and Colts last year? No Texans? 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:36.080 And who is it the Texans beat in Week eighteen? 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.000 I think I think it was the Cults. 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:39.600 Oh yeah, so they beat the Colts and if they 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:41.240 had lost that game, they would have had the number 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:42.920 one overall pick, and we knew that going in and 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:43.960 they won it, and people. 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.000 Are like, you know what, idiots they ended up with? 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:47.640 Right, so one, they might have ended up with a 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:50.520 better quarterback, but too, where is the incentive for any 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:52.520 of those players to go out there and play poorly? 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:54.640 They don't care what the pick is. Most of them 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:56.000 won't be back next year. 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.800 Or part of the rebuilder whatever, or. 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:00.600 If they already what they're gonna put the team in 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:04.920 better position to draft their replacement, like tanking doesn't. The 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.360 way we talk about tanking in the world of sports 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:08.920 is not done logically. 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.760 Yeah, I agree. So with that that said, you know, 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:13.360 just turning the Patriot are going to talk a little 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.240 bit of J. C. Jackson as well, and he was 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.840 out of practice today with the Patriots on Thursday. But 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.480 the other thing, like I kind of challenged fans in 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.080 that respect to like move on from the tanking thing, 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:25.040 like they're not that's not happening. They're not going to 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.560 purposely try to lose games. They're not going to try 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:30.240 to you know, think about that in that sense. So 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:32.800 let's let's move on from that. But for the players 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.480 for the Patriots, I I've watched quite a bit of 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:39.160 things coming off this game, and everybody's got an opinion 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:42.040 about what happened in Dallas, and understandably, that's that's the job, 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:45.000 that's what we do. But from my own film study, 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.200 and then I thought J. T. Os Sullivan did a 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.840 great job with Mac Jones and in his quarterback breakdown 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.280 as well. The thing that I kind of came away 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:54.839 from it, and we're gonna get to Mac and I'm 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:58.480 not trying to excuse Mac of his play because this 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.720 was this was on mass his career. Yeah, Mac was 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:04.360 was not good in this game. We know that. The 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:07.040 one thing I would I would say quickly though, is 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:11.439 that and this has been on my mind, I offensively, 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.280 and I think that this started last year and a 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:15.760 lot of us chalked it up to Patricia and like 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.560 just not having belief in what the coaching staff. But 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:22.640 this group of players doesn't have that excuse anymore, like 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:26.920 they don't have the Patricia scapegoat anymore. And what I 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:30.120 was really disappointed about in this game and then watching 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:34.800 it back on film, is just the the lack of 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:39.280 of a fight from this team, like the lack of 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:43.000 like attention to detail and the lack of of I 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.199 don't want to use the word effort because that's not fair, 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.679 but just the lack of fight. And it comes down 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.400 to a couple of different things. First of all, teams 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:55.080 that can't run the ball. You walk around the locker 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:56.560 room and like I'm gonna go on a little bit 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:59.000 of ramp, but you walk around the locker room and 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.360 you wear those damn T shirts that say tough teams 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:06.720 cover kicks, tough teams also run the football. Yes, tough 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:11.200 teams block and run the football and take it to 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:13.719 the opponent and you know, take their will. Like all 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.880 those old cliches that we hear in football, I subscribe 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:18.960 to a lot of this. I know. I'm a spreadsheet guy. 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:19.400 I love them. 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:22.920 This is crazy. But you're advocating for smash mouth football. 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.560 I am advocating for them to give an f right, Like, 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:29.160 That's what I'm advocating for. So first of all, you 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.920 you can't run the ball right, So that tells me, 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.679 right then and there that that your physicality as an 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:36.839 offense is at the door. 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:38.360 I have a theory on that, but put a pin 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:38.600 in that. 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:43.160 Keep going. Second of all, I watched a clip, two 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.000 different clips. First clip because the second one is even 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.920 bigger deal to me. First clip was from the Raiders 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:52.959 Chargers game, and they're both from the Raiders Chargers game, 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:54.760 I should say, But the first one was Keenan Allen. 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.360 Keenan Allen is in like a tight skull. I saw 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.760 this was good, and he chips the end on his 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:05.120 way out of the route and he decletes the guy. 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:10.600 He sends him into orbit Pancakes and the Patriots routinely 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:15.120 tried to chip Micah Parsons routinely with the backs, with 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:20.640 the receivers, with the tight ends. Week If your job 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:26.720 is to chip Micah Parsons, you chip Micah Parsons right like, 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:31.479 that's Micah Parsons. That's number eleven. That guy's an absolute 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:35.840 freak and he took over this game. He ruined your 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:40.319 quarterback and all you did was give a little forearm 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.560 shiver on the way by. Yeah, it's gonna gonna try 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.600 to push him, like, gonna try to put a little 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.360 shoulder shake into him right now. When you when your 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:53.040 job is to to chip the best player on the 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.480 other team on your way out, you know the old 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.319 like offensive line guys would say, get a slab, Yeah, right, 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.240 get a freaking slab of the guy. So that's number two. 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:09.520 Number three the Chargers Raiders game again. Justin Herbert scrambles 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:13.600 and gets absolutely laid out on the sideline by Jerry Tillery. 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:17.280 Late hit, dirty play, all of it, like Drew Bledsoe 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:25.920 esque laid out the entire Chargers sideline. Coaches, players, defensive players, 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:30.200 the punter, guys without helmets on the practice squad, guys 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:36.040 in workout clothes, on the sideline. The whole organization got 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:40.080 up off the bench and stormed the castle, all of them, 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:43.079 all of them. Jerry Tillery had to be pulled out 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:46.600 of a pile of people and basically like rescued by 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:50.240 his teammates because they were all out for blood. Not literally, 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:52.599 like I'm exaggerating for the point, but like you know 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:56.800 what I'm trying to say. And for two straight weeks, 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:00.520 starting last week with the Sauce Gardner bs and then 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.400 this week with Matt I don't care if you think 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.680 that Mac Jones stinks. I don't care if you don't 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:10.199 like Mac Jones as a person, as a teammate. That's 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:14.040 your quarterback, Yeah, that's your quarterback. When he gets hit 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.319 and guys are standing over him and guys are are 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:19.640 you know, getting in his face and things like that, 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.560 you gotta come clean house. You gotta, you have to. 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.840 That's the sport. It's the same in hockey, right like 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.200 like you know you take out for years with the 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.400 If somebody comes after David Postronach on the Bruins and 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:36.000 somebody lays out David Pastronach, do you think that there's 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.760 gonna be no response response for that? Of course, there 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:42.840 will be of course, like that's that's the sport, that's football, 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.920 that's your quarterback. Like take some pride in it, you know, 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:49.439 like they play up to a certain standard and it 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:53.400 goes down to like the techniques and the fundamentals of 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:57.080 it too. If you're if it's third and fifteen or 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.680 third and fourteen, whatever that situation was, right, and you 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:01.559 remember this one right before the sneak, it was a 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:05.079 third and fourteen, third and fifteen. Don't run a thirteen 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:09.080 yard route on third and fourteen, right, run a fourteen 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.320 and a half yard route. Run the route past the 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:15.400 sticks when you're coming out on fourth down and it's 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:19.560 a big fourth down play, rub, get a rub, get 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:23.080 a pick, get juju open, Like, don't just run in 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.440 and lollygag off the line of scrimmage. This type of 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.040 stuff has been going on for two years now with 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.320 this team. Two years now they've been playing like this, 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:36.720 And I didn't think that Bill O'Brien would stand for it. 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:38.800 You know, he's not that type of coach. And you 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.120 know his nickname is Tea Pot and like I feel 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:43.400 like he was losing his mind over this kind of stuff. 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:47.040 But this has become and you talk about the turnovers 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:48.720 and you talk about all like this is this is 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.160 ingrained in the DNA of the team at this point 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.080 that they that this is how their offense plays. And 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:57.800 you don't have the Patricia escapegoat anymore. He's not gonna 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:00.280 he's not gonna shield it for you anymore. So we're 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:02.800 coming after you now, like show some pride. That's all 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.520 I got. So I'll say on that part first. 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:07.760 There is this weird take this week that Matt Patricia 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:11.600 somehow vindicated by what happens Sunday. Yeah, nobody was saying 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:13.920 replace Matt Patricia one for one swap and everything will 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.440 be fixed. Matt Patricia. Replacing him was the first step 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:19.240 of the process. And I wrote out my ten step 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:21.760 process for the off season back in January, and replacing 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:25.000 Matt Patricia was step one. There was also adding wide receivers, 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:28.720 adding tackles, things like that that they didn't do. On 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:32.160 the quarterback thing, You're absolutely right, and people want to 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.040 make that about Mac Jones. The guys won't stand up 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:35.560 for Mac Jones. Again, it's a point of pride. It 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:36.880 doesn't matter who your quarterback is. 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:39.560 Yeah, it doesn't matter if it's Mac Jones, Will Greer 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:41.880 Bailey z Appy right, I don't care. It's not that that. 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:45.560 Is you getting beat. That is just having some self respect, 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:50.080 I think. Yeah, so I agree with a lot of 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.480 what you said. I don't think that it's any sort 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.200 of vindication for Patricia. I think it's players not showing up. 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:56.840 The short of the sticks thing that's been a problem 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:58.400 all year. It's been a problem for the most part 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:01.840 with the same guy, yeah, ju Smith Schuster, but it's. 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.320 Been a two year problem like this, these nutshells, you know, 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.680 in this game, I thought a lot of and again, 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:09.760 like we're going to get into Mac. I promise you 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.360 that we're not trying to like make excuses for him. 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.000 But in this particular game, there is a lot of 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:18.440 things that were Patricia esk right. Guys running into each other, 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:22.760 Guys not knowing the situation, Guys just not executing the 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.320 route combinations the way that they're supposed to be executed. 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.120 And this is the type of stuff. And I point 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.240 at the coaching staff and Billy oh at this too, 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:32.000 like this is what he was brought in here to 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:32.400 clean up. 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:34.480 Well, so, and I'll remember back when we were going 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.120 through the offensive coordinators and Bill O'Brien wasn't at the 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:38.760 top of my list, and you got all annoyed with me. 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.200 Do you remember that? Sure, I on Cliff kings parrience 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.160 was before he went to Thailand or whatever, right Bangkok. 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:46.760 Yeah. 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:49.520 Yeah, the thing with Bill O'Brien at Alabama, and you're 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:53.280 seeing it again. Alabama's offense last year schematically made a 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.800 lot of sense, but there were a lot of dumb 0:16:55.800 --> 0:17:00.200 penalties and it became very one dimensional early. Yeah, you're 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:01.600 kind of seeing the same thing here. 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:03.600 And yeah, I mean I've been on their run game 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:04.119 the whole season. 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:05.720 So it goes to my point about the run. You 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:10.040 say they can't run the ball. I maybe how they 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:11.560 haven't really tried. 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.679 So I but it's not even like a to me 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:17.560 that you go ahead they Okay, I get what you 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:18.080 are saying. 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.359 It's the two plays against Dallas. There's the third and 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:23.200 one in the red zone in the first quarter. Yeah, 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:25.400 where they throw the ball to Mi Kasiki. Mac makes 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:27.320 a bad throw, Kasiki makes a bad play on the ball. 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:28.080 They both screwed up. 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.440 Yeah, Mack Kaziki. Bad plays by both of them. Yeah. 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:34.200 Then you have the fourth and one in the second quarter, 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.080 just over the fifty and the game I don't think 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.160 there'd been one turnover yet. I'm pretty sure it's either 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:39.560 a three to three game or a ten three game 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:44.320 at this point, very much a football game. And look 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:48.080 that tush push plays great. It's automatic. It's automatic for 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:49.000 about a half a yard. 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.960 It's also automatic for the Eagles. That's automatic for a 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:53.679 lot of teams. A lot of teams are struggling with 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:53.960 it though. 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:55.840 Okay, but well, but here's I think part of the 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:57.840 problem why a lot of teams aren't. Patriots are bad 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:01.480 with this. It's automatic for half a yard. There's teams 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:04.080 running it from like a yard and a half two 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:08.000 yards out. I know this is college, but Wisconsin a 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.520 couple of weeks ago they ran it from the three. 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:14.679 That's not going to work. And I saw when they 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:16.600 were lining up for that play. I turn to somebody, 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:18.800 I said, and I'm talking about the Patriots. Now fourth 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:20.120 in what was really yard and a half. I turned 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.680 to somebody, say they're in the formation. I go, they 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:25.960 this has to be a fake. They have to somehow 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.919 fake the touch push here cause it's too long. The 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:32.119 play doesn't get you that much yardage. And MATC gets 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.040 half a yard, but they needed a yard and a half. 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:37.960 And they've become think about how many third or fourth 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.640 and ones have they gone right to the touch push 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.000 this year? Yeah, like quickly to the lines, didn't even 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.880 think about it. They've become too reliant on that play. 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:47.920 And I go to those two plays, the third one, 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:49.960 the fourth and one. There was a play last week 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.040 against the Jets. I don't remember the exact scenario, but 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:55.200 they had a third and short and they went to 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:58.680 the toush push and it worked, but barely. They went 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:00.560 to the touch push instead of handing the ball off. 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:02.400 And it goes back to something we talked about last week. 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:06.040 Even this team is built to be a run dominant team. Yeah, 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:08.680 get under center, put one of your two hundred and 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:11.240 fifty pound backs behind you, hand the ball off to 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:14.040 him and let him go downhill. And I don't know 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.160 whether they can't look they're not running the ball as 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:19.280 well as they should, But the big picture of that 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:23.520 is more about them not breaking big runs when it comes. 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:24.360 To third and one. 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:26.479 I don't need a twenty yard run fourth and one, 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:28.280 I don't need a twenty yard run. I need a 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:31.480 yard and a half. I need two yards, which say 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:32.879 what you will about the running game. They don't have 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:34.520 a lot of big plays. They don't have a ton 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:38.280 of negative plays either. Why can't you on third and 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.639 one or fourth and one getting the ey set with 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:44.600 Pharaoh Brown or just put one back back there in 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.040 a single back and hand the ball off into the 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:50.680 B gap. Why is there such a reason forget doing it? 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:53.399 If they do it and fail, we can change the conversation. 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:54.359 Try it. 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:57.320 They haven't even tried it, and it's mind blowing. And 0:19:57.359 --> 0:19:59.800 I'm not saying they lost the game on either of 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:02.280 those those two plays. They lost the game because they 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:05.360 turn a ball over three times and quit. But are 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:11.840 for instance, the the now the third and one or 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:13.480 the third and one in the red zone they kick 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:15.400 a field goal on what was a very promising drive. 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:17.840 If they get a touchdown there, they have an early lead. 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:19.320 The fourth and one. 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:20.320 His answer. 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:25.719 The fourth and one, the defense actually holds the Cowboys punt. 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:28.439 The punt pins the Patriots at the two, and the 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:30.520 next play, Mac Jonalds just strip sacked essentially in the 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:34.160 end zone. So it's it's a snowball effect. These things 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:37.600 compound if you pick up those two first downs you're 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:40.080 probably not in a spot where you're pressing later in 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.000 the game and mac Jones gets panicked and receivers are 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:45.080 trying to do too much and things like that. Bill 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:48.119 O'Brien called that failed quarterback sneak a big moment in 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:50.960 the game. He called it that on Tuesday. He's right, 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:54.160 if you can't pick up third and one, And then 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:55.840 when we talk about the Saints game, I want to 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.160 get back into this. If you can't pick up third 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:00.679 and one on the ground, especially for a team that 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:02.960 wants to move the ball methodically. 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:03.880 What are you doing? 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:04.240 Yeah? 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:07.359 No, I mean I go back to twenty fifteen I 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:09.800 think it was, and that game in Denver, they had 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:11.679 like a third and one or fourth and one or 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:13.960 something for a big spot in the game. And I 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:16.800 remember coming off that game when they lost that. You know, 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:21.520 Dante Scarnekio had said, if you like good football teams, 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:24.040 good offenses, pick up third and one, right, Like, it's 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:24.840 not even a question. 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:27.480 But I they pick a third and one by just 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:29.280 lining up, get a hat on a hat and win 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:30.160 it the line of scrimmage. 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:33.840 Yeah, hey, that was his point. I agree with you. Look, 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:36.640 I've been I've been critical of the way that they've 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:40.160 schemed up the running game all year, and I thought 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:43.880 this game fell right into the same trap. First of all, 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:48.119 just from like a gameplay a matchup standpoint. Dallas is 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:52.240 a aggressive attack minded defense. They're a ballhowking defense, and they 0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:54.880 are an aggressive front. We saw that it come full 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:57.400 of fruition, and that's why you lost by thirty five points. 0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:01.119 So running the ball right at that Dallas is not 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:03.520 the way to run the ball against them. We talked 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:06.480 about this with the Cardinals, Like the Cardinals outflanked them, 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:09.560 they changed the point of attack. They use misdirection, they 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:13.080 use motion, and they outflanked Dallas. That's how you run 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:16.000 the ball against Dallas. You don't run the ball against 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:19.040 Dallas by running gap like duo right after right right like, 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:20.840 That's not how you do it, because they attack the 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:23.480 line of scrimmage and they come downhill at you, and 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:26.240 they get penetration in the backfield and they blow runs 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:29.280 up that way. You have to outflank Dallas and they 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:33.480 didn't even try to do that really very well. And schematically, 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:37.000 this run game, I don't think it's using the personnel 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:40.160 to the best of its ability either, because Frankly, their 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:43.240 tight ends can't block. Hunter Henry and Mikasiki are not 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:46.159 blocking tight ends. They can't block. So why are we 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:49.359 using Hunter Henry and mi Kasiki at the point of attack? Like, 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:52.639 why are we running to the y tight end in 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:55.919 this offense? They can't hold up at the point of attack. 0:22:56.440 --> 0:22:59.680 Mike Kasiki, you know, coming into like a little motion 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:02.160 and and leading up through the B gap to try 0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:04.320 to kick out a two hundred and fifty pound linebacker. 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:08.240 He can't do it. That's he's not winning that matchup. 0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:11.879 So you have to, you know, find ways to use 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:14.120 them on the backside of runs and run away from 0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:16.560 the tight ends and use them, you know, out on 0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:20.280 the perimeter against safeties in corners where they might actually 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:23.520 be able to win that matchup. Kaziki and Henry, anytime 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:26.120 they are blocking a defensive end or a linebacker, they're 0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:29.800 losing that matchup every time. And you can't do that anymore. 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:31.960 You have to figure out some different ways that this 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:36.280 run game right now is not creative. It's bland, and 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:38.159 they have to figure out they don't trust it. This 0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:38.719 scheme it up. 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:40.320 But I think what's even worse is they don't trust it, 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:41.160 and I. 0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:43.119 Don't blame them for not trusting it, okay, because they 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:45.840 can't block it. Like, they can't block it. 0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:47.040 This team can't run the ball. 0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:49.440 They're not going anywhere that we're on the same page 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:51.600 on that. I mean, that's the whole thing. And that's 0:23:51.600 --> 0:23:53.720 why I'm saying that they need to figure out the 0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:56.359 best way to use their personnel. This is not the 0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:58.919 best way to run the football with this personnel. And 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:01.680 the reason why they've had to run out thirteen personnel 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:03.919 all the time with three tight ends is because they 0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:06.920 can't block. So they have to add Pharaoh Brown into 0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:08.639 the mix, and then they have to have some sort 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:11.040 of passing threat, so they have to have the other 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:13.480 two tight ends out there with him, because if it's 0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:17.160 like twelve with Pharaoh Brown, then your real hotel. Yeah, 0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:21.040 there's just not much to do there, and they need 0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:23.000 to figure out how to run the ball. Like if 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:25.080 I had to sit here and say, I think we're 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:28.520 both in agreement, you know, what's the way to fix this? 0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:28.960 Right? 0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:30.720 Like, what's the way to salvage it? I think is 0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:32.880 a better way of putting it than fix it. What's 0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:35.240 the way to salvage it? The way to salvage it 0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:38.000 is to get your offensive line in order and run 0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:42.840 the ball. And until they get more creative, until they 0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:46.720 get more imaginative in the run game, they're not going 0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:48.879 to be able to run the ball. They're just not 0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:51.600 because if they just try to hat on a hat 0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:54.399 come right at teams, they don't have the blockers to 0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:56.520 do it. And that's the bottom line. 0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:58.320 Well, that's a problem because that's how you pick up 0:24:58.320 --> 0:24:59.480 third and one, fourth and one. 0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:01.600 Yeah, and that's probably why they don't trust their running 0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:02.119 game to do it. 0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:05.439 I would almost rather them go down swinging in that 0:25:05.520 --> 0:25:10.240 sense then keep going the tush push on fourth and two, which. 0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:11.959 I get what you're saying. I just I think if 0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:15.000 you're gonna go down swinging quote unquote, like you gotta 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:18.000 be more creative with it. Okay, so let's start to 0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:19.879 get a jet sweep, can we get you know, some 0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:22.520 sort of disdirection can be you know, like there's just 0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:26.240 the point is is that you can't just especially against 0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:29.320 teams that have good fronts like Dallas does. The Saints 0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:31.119 have a good front two, but it's not quite as 0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:32.919 good as the teams they've played so far in the 0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:35.320 first month. I would say, maybe it's better than Miami's, 0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:37.879 but it's close in general. Like when you get to 0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:40.720 some of these games where you're not playing these ridiculously 0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:43.960 talented fronts, you know, against the Raiders for example in 0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:47.080 Vegas the week after this, like maybe those are our 0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:49.480 games that you can come right at those teams. Right 0:25:49.880 --> 0:25:52.080 in these games against the fronts that are that are 0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:55.119 better than your offensive line, which is a lot of 0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:58.000 teams at the moment, you have to be creative, like 0:25:58.040 --> 0:25:59.600 you can't just run right at them. 0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:01.600 So okay, that brings me to two personnel points. 0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:01.840 One. 0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:05.000 Tomorrow Douglas played eighteen snaps last week. A few wist 0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:07.639 of anybody but Time Montgomery, who we've also said, we 0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:09.600 want to see you more. But yeah, they ran the 0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:12.280 end around to tomorrow Douglas against the Jets. They did 0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:14.320 it in a key moment in the game. Where was 0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:15.640 that the other thing? 0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:16.479 Uh? 0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:19.320 All right, look, so you talk about getting the offensive 0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:22.080 line right, yep, and we can get into maybe Riley 0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:25.880 Reef coming back. But we were texting about this yesterday. It's 0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:28.560 our job to say, you know, kind of analyze this thing. 0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:31.200 And even if we're banging our head against the wall, 0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:32.879 I think it's time to bring this up. Evan, I 0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:35.520 said to you back in training camp, at what point 0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:37.720 do we have the con because best five, right, that's 0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:39.560 what you're talking about when you say get the offensive 0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:41.600 line in order, you're talking about getting figuring out your 0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:43.160 best five, getting the best five on the field. 0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:43.560 Yep. 0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:46.080 I said to you back in training camp, and this 0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:48.800 was an honest question at the time. How long can 0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:50.760 they go before they seriously have to have the micro 0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:53.840 and WNU at right tackle conversation? You said about three 0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:55.920 or four weeks if it looks bad in three or 0:26:55.960 --> 0:27:00.520 four weeks, spot on one. Now, as I bring this up, 0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:02.960 do I think there's any chance it happens? No, because 0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:04.200 I think if they were gonna do it, they would 0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:07.680 have done it already. Yeah, but we're not doing our jobs. 0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:09.280 If we sit here and don't don't say that it 0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:12.560 should be an option, because, yeah, you put him out there. 0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:16.520 Riley Reef looked good at right guard this summer when 0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:19.200 they moved him in there, he did. I actually think 0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:23.520 if you went on whenu Reef Andrews whoever left guard, 0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:26.080 col Strange if he's healthy at Tonio Maffi's not, and 0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:29.960 then Trent Brown. That's not a bad line. I'm not 0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:33.080 gonna sit here and tell you they're great. But you 0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:34.640 you love to soccer. On this right you can cover 0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:37.840 up one spot. Yeah, if you're covering up left guard 0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:40.280 and that's your spot. And on Whenos holding down right 0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:41.920 tackle and Reef looks like he did at the summer 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.480 and right guard, you might be okay. 0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:46.600 You can at least be able to like maybe run 0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:48.560 the ball a little bit better. Yes, Like Reef is 0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:50.399 not a great pass blocker at this point of his 0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:51.520 career because of his foot. 0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:54.120 Speed, but that's he mitigated at guard well. And he's 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:56.760 also just like a tough guy, Like he's a hard nose, 0:27:57.160 --> 0:27:59.280 tough like road grading type of blocker. 0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:01.920 Maybe he can block a little bit. Yeah, look, I 0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:04.400 I think you absolutely have to have the on winning discussion. 0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:08.080 I thought Mafi was actually pretty good all things, which 0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:08.600 I think. 0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:10.640 Makes it even more of a talking pain. 0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:12.640 Yeah, yeah, I think Mafi's got to be in there. 0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:17.000 I would at this point if you're just going off of. 0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:18.959 So then if if Riley Reef isn't ready to put 0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:20.280 Mafiat right guard strange at. 0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:22.600 Left, if you're just going off of the film, that 0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:25.199 we've seen so far, and I'm not, you know, not 0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:28.639 to take the the film last year for Cold Strange 0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:30.040 out of it, take the fact that he was a 0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:32.080 first round pick out of it. If you just asked 0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:35.800 me to grade Cole Strange versus Antonio Mafi, I'm taking Mafi. 0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:40.240 I'm taking Mafi. Yeah, I think he's better. I would 0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:44.280 go Trent at right, Trent from left to right, Trent, 0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:50.560 Mafy Andrews. Probably figure out whatever you can. Reef, you know, 0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:56.719 probably if Ree's healthy, i'd and then and then tackle. 0:28:57.080 --> 0:28:59.480 If you don't, if Reef's not ready, then maybe Strange 0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:01.920 still plays left guard and Mafi plays right guard, and 0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:04.920 you would put you wouldn't put out there. No, okay, 0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:07.400 I think he's still better than so okay, and I 0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:09.600 think that, like there is something to be said for 0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:12.360 the fact of like pulling a first round pick a 0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:14.240 year ago, like a right fair enough. 0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:17.040 But but but the point being like, and and you know, 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:18.840 I don't we don't need to do too much of 0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:21.640 this because for whatever reason, it's not going to happen. Yeah, 0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:24.280 but I still feel like we should bring it up 0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:25.760 because they probably should consider it. 0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:28.560 Yeah, all right, So that I didn't. I'm glad we 0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:31.000 we did this because I didn't want to, like, you know, 0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:34.640 everybody's leading with Mac in the quarterback situation before we 0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:37.240 get Nick on here, and like ten minutes or so, 0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:38.800 I do want to talk a little bit of Mac, 0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:40.080 And we're going to get to him, I'm sure, and 0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:43.360 studs and duds as well in the second hour of 0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:46.520 the show. But my whole thing with Mac is, uh, 0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:51.800 you know, first of all, the stuff that he put 0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:56.920 out there on Sunday is not not NFL caliber. No, 0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:59.800 he can't play that way and stay in the league 0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:03.200 and stay as a starter, I should say in the league, 0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:07.920 I am. You can make excuses for him in terms 0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:10.800 of the line. The offensive line right now Alex is 0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:13.360 dead last and pass blocking there's the thirty second ranked 0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:16.800 unit in pass blocking on in every metric. Yeah, they're 0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:19.280 the worst pass blocking line in the league. So you 0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:21.200 can make those excuses for him. You can make the 0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:23.400 excuses that he doesn't have a lot of firepower on 0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:25.880 the outside and skill positions and stuff like that. That's 0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:29.120 all valid and all true. That does an excuse doing 0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:31.400 what he did on Sunday. No, Like, you still have 0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:34.560 NFL guys around you. You still shouldn't be imploding like that. 0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:38.160 His second quarter was as bad of a football quarter 0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:42.240 as I've seen any quarterback play. I mean, bad play 0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:45.880 after bad play after. It wasn't just the turnovers like 0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:48.720 it was the other plays in that quarter that could 0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:51.960 have been turnovers or were just disaster plays as well. 0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:56.000 It's snowbottled him and he fell apart. I think the 0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:58.240 two biggest things that stand out that are you know, 0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:02.720 one is I'm willing to he corrects this week and 0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.680 it doesn't happen again, at least as badly as it 0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:06.680 did against Dallas. 0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:11.120 Is all the crazy like out of structure stuff across 0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:13.040 the body y, Yeah, like all. 0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:15.480 That decision making stuff that he did, you know, the 0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:18.959 back across the you know, the two throws across the field, Uh, 0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:20.960 the scrambling one on the right hand side where he 0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:23.360 basically threw it right to Dallas again and he just 0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:26.200 dropped the guy to drop the interception. Like those types 0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:28.200 of things. I don't think he's gonna do again. 0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:30.280 I'll say, if I was the coaching staff, I'd tell 0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:33.000 him I'd pull him if I saw one of those week, 0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:35.400 I would say, we'd rather you eat a twenty yard sack. 0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:37.160 We need to see that you're not going to be 0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:38.959 doing that because that's not NFL quarterback. 0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:41.600 Yeah. I think the thing I'm most concerned about, and 0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:44.280 this isn't toil. Like you know, people they always get 0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:46.320 on me for taking victory laps and things like that. 0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:49.400 I'm really not trying to do that. But in week one, 0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:52.640 you remember, Yeah, I came out and I said that 0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:55.360 I didn't think mac Jones played that great against the Eagles, 0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:57.640 and I broke down all of the like minut shows 0:31:57.720 --> 0:32:00.520 to why with his footwork and things like that, that 0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:03.440 I was concerned about how he played against Philadelphia despite 0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:06.960 the stat line, and I got attacked. Alex I got attacked. 0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:09.240 People were coming after me for it. They were like, 0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:11.720 what are you talking about? You don't know ball? You 0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:15.000 threw for three hundred yards through for three dds, YadA, YadA, YadA. 0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:19.440 I have seen mac Jones' footwork be crappy all season long. 0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:23.520 He has not been right with his feet all year long. 0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:26.920 He's thrown off his back foot, he's fading out of pockets, 0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:30.080 he's bailing out of pockets. He's not you know, his 0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:32.560 feet aren't pointed in the hallway right, you created the 0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:35.120 hallway of where you're going with the football. His feet 0:32:35.160 --> 0:32:38.280 aren't pointed in the right directions. His feet are an 0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:42.840 utterly gross mess right now. I don't think it was 0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:44.800 as bad in the first three games as it was 0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:47.680 on so of course it wasn't. But what my concern 0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:50.280 was is that I was starting to see these signs 0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:53.160 of his footwork falling apart, and I think the main 0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:56.200 thing that you have to look at is to me, 0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:59.840 the main thing is is that he can't survive this 0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:05.640 level playing like that. Yeah, his footwork can't be inconsistent 0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:08.640 like that. He can't, you know, be have happy feet 0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:11.360 in the pocket and you know, just be I don't 0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:14.520 even know what the word is, just unsettled in the pocket. 0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:16.840 He can't be those things because he doesn't have the 0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:19.320 arm talent to make up for it. And so what 0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:22.040 I saw against Philadelphia was you know, throws that were 0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:24.320 short into the sideline, throws over the middle of that 0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:26.560 needed more zip on them, and they were some of 0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:29.680 these were completed, yeah, but they were leaving yards on 0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:32.239 the field because they weren't completed as well as they 0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:35.360 could have been. And this game, it was all of 0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:37.040 that turned up to a life. 0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:40.080 I think you could see his decision making his mechanics 0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:43.600 fall apart in real time. He completely imploded. And look, 0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:45.920 it wasn't you kind of said to begin there wasn't 0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:47.680 going great around and the line was playing poorly. The 0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:50.480 receivers you're playing poorly. Your first round quarterback, your job 0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:52.720 is to elevate that group. Your job is say get 0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:54.240 behind me. We're going to clean this up. And it 0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:57.720 starts at me. And Mac has said that, like verbally, 0:33:57.760 --> 0:34:00.480 he said it at press conferences. Son was not a 0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:02.920 good example of that. They followed the body language of 0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:06.160 their quarterback through and through. Yeah, And it's just you 0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:09.239 could tell he You hear players talk a lot about, 0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:10.680 you know, how do you come back from a deficit. 0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:12.560 You can't make it all up in one play. You 0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:14.120 can't chase it all in one play. And that's what 0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:15.799 it felt like he was trying to do that whole game. 0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:19.279 He was trying to race it a fourteen, twenty twenty 0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:22.160 eight whatever it was point deficit in a single play 0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:25.560 on every single snap, and he's wheeling off his back 0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:28.520 foot and look, I thought early to get he was 0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:31.200 running around a lot. And that goes to the offensive line. 0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:34.359 I thought early early in that game, and I talked 0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:36.640 about how the first drive was promising. He did a 0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:38.719 good job of kind of moving around but still playing 0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:42.560 within himself. As soon as they missed that fourth and one, 0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:46.239 right that play with the fumble, Buddy, you got to 0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:48.200 know where you are on the field, Yeah, you gotta, 0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:50.479 and to be running around with the ball back there 0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:53.520 like the Mike Vick animation and mad No. Four which 0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:55.560 isn't real. He can't run around with the ball like 0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:57.120 that for real. And to do it on your own 0:34:57.160 --> 0:35:00.239 goal line, that's just trying to do too much. And 0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:02.319 I think from that point on, and that's why I 0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:05.560 go back to that play call, they failed that, and 0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:08.279 I think as a quarterback, as other offensive players. And 0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:09.920 this isn't to excuse Mac, but this is just to 0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:12.680 kind of prove that point. I would bet truth serum, 0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:15.239 you asked, Mac, did you panic after you didn't get 0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:17.239 that fourth down? I would bet he said. Yet he 0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:19.279 would say yes, and I think other players would say yes. 0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:22.120 And you could see it because that moment is where 0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:24.920 it wasn't even it was before the turnover. People pointed 0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:26.560 that turnover and say, oh, he turned the ball over 0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:29.400 once and fell apart. No, he fell apart when they 0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:32.000 didn't get the quarterback sneak. And I think some of 0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:34.879 that is probably, well, if we can't get this, we're 0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:37.359 in big trouble, and now I have to do things 0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:39.799 I don't usually do, and Mac, there's a reason you 0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:41.520 don't usually do them, it's because he can't. 0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:44.759 Yeah. Maybe I also think that in some ways, and 0:35:44.920 --> 0:35:47.279 in both of the turnovers actually kind of in the 0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:50.800 first half speak to this, he hit the throw to 0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:55.000 pop Douglas out of structure, and then I think he thought, oh, 0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:58.160 I pulled it off one time, right, And then on 0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:01.920 the second interception on the pick six, he hit that 0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:05.120 throat hit earlier, and I wonder if he had like 0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:07.640 a false sense of security of like, oh, well, maybe 0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:09.440 I can pull these off today, you know. I think 0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:09.920 it's both. 0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:11.799 I think it's a sense of panic that leads him 0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:14.000 to make these those plays and then they happen to 0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:16.200 hit and then it's like, let me go back to that. 0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:18.799 So I think the biggest thing though, in terms of 0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:22.959 moving forward and the best thing that I could say 0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:26.520 like for Mac and the best advice that I hope 0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:29.000 the coaching staff and Bill O'Brien and Evan Rostein and 0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:33.000 those guys are giving him is relocating in the pocket? 0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:37.719 Is your best friend? Yeah, you he's not. He's not 0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:41.240 a mobile quarterback. He's not a mobile quarterback. He shouldn't 0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:43.480 be trying to get outside the pocket. He shouldn't be 0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:46.879 trying to scramble. He shouldn't be trying to create out 0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:49.680 of structure. He needs to play, like he said yesterday, 0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:52.719 he needs to play within the scheme, right, within the 0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:57.400 framework of the offense. So what what I've always had 0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:00.960 reservations about with Mac and like canns about with the 0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:05.080 way that he plays, is that he doesn't have that 0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:10.319 Brady pocket movement gene where he can move and like 0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:15.480 short bursts in the pocket. So if your left guard 0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:17.640 is getting beat, and I'm not like picking on Mafi, 0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:19.960 I'm just using it as an example, maybe the right 0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:22.000 tackle would have been a better example in this case. 0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:25.600 If your right tackle is getting beat, but the other 0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:28.560 four fifths of the line have created a pocket, you 0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:30.959 have to be able to maneuver to find the air 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:34.400 space right like right, Just take a little step to 0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:37.080 the left and a little step up and do it 0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:39.799 quickly and then reset your feet and make a throw. 0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:45.800 He doesn't. He he has two things. He either bails 0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:49.400 on the pocket or he throws off his back foot 0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:51.879 and just stands there and take it and takes the hit. 0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:55.560 And he's got to learn because of the fact that 0:37:55.600 --> 0:37:58.000 he needs to throw from that sturdy base and that 0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:01.759 sturdy platform with his feet set, he's got to learn 0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:05.200 how to make those Brady Jedi like movements in the 0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:08.400 pocket and have that sense of the pressure and where 0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:10.799 is the clean air space and where are are am 0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:14.360 I protected? And where am I not protected? Because bailing 0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:16.200 on the pocket can't be an option for him because 0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:20.440 he's not gonna create yards with his legs, And throwing 0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:22.200 off his back foot can't be an option for him 0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:23.840 because he's not gonna be able to put enough mustard 0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:24.480 on the throws to. 0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:26.560 Make the well, no quarterright period, no quarterbacktually thrown off 0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:29.440 their back foot. That's like Patrick Mahomes can throw off 0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:30.920 his back Again, we've established this. 0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:34.160 He's not as good as Patrick. I'm not saying that. 0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:36.799 I'm saying that like those types of guys can do 0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:39.440 that type of stuff. He's got to learn how to 0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:42.719 work within what he's his skill set is and if 0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:46.080 he doesn't need like move off his spots a little bit. Sometimes. 0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:49.600 You know, there's one play where Michaeh Parsons yet he 0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:51.920 comes up the middle and he's and he's coming through, 0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:55.239 but David Andrews gets just enough of him to like 0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:58.359 knock Parsons off his track just a little bit, and 0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:01.080 all Mack has to do is step to his right, 0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:05.560 reset and make a throw, and instead he just lets 0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:11.080 Parsons hit him right. And so that those little things 0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:13.839 like the maneuvering of the pocket and finding the clean 0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:16.719 air and you know, resetting your base and you know, 0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:19.319 a little quick move to the left and reset, those 0:39:19.320 --> 0:39:21.800 are the types of things that pocket quarterbacks need to master. 0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:25.160 If you're gonna be a really good pocket quarterback, and 0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:28.200 especially one that doesn't have a big arm, you have 0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:31.680 to be able to reset your base and make throws 0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:34.480 like that where you're not you're not scrambling, you're just 0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:37.640 moving like an inch here inch there in the pocket. 0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:40.759 If he can't figure out how to do that, then 0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:44.040 this is how it's gonna look like, not as bad 0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:46.000 as it is on Sunday, but like for the first 0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:48.200 month of this season, this is how it's gonna look, 0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:51.359 he's made some good throws staring down the barrel right 0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:53.520 like guys are coming at him, and he's made some 0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:56.160 good throws. But he's got to figure out how to 0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:58.920 make those little subtle movements in the pocket. I haven't 0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:02.759 really seen him do that at this level, at a 0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:05.440 high level regularly. I haven't really seen him have that 0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:08.239 type of pocket movement. And he's got to figure out 0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:10.719 how to do that because he's got to throw with 0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:13.719 his feet set. He has to throw on time and 0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:16.040 with his feet set, So you have to figure out 0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:19.200 ways to work around that. I don't think you know, 0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:22.319 And I thought Billy Oh said it perfectly when he 0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:26.440 said it was uncharacteristic of him to make some of 0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:28.880 the decisions that he made in that game. Spot on. 0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:31.560 It was there. No one's like thinking that Mac Jones 0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:33.799 gonna throw across the field and throw pick sixes like 0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:36.000 he did on Sunday all the time. It was and 0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:39.799 characteristic of him. But the little throws here and there 0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:41.719 that he missed in that game were because of his 0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:45.480 footwork and his pocket movement. Yeah, all right, we're gonna 0:40:45.520 --> 0:40:47.840 get Nick underhill here on the line in the second. 0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:49.920 So I don't want to get too much off on 0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:53.880 anything else. But I think the other couple of things 0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:57.160 in this game that were obviously troubling were the injuries. 0:40:57.200 --> 0:40:59.879 But the Patriots did make a trade for J. C. Jackson, Yes, 0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:02.360 and I did want to get to that. And I 0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:05.719 think the trade for j. C. Jackson, we went over 0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:07.840 the whole tanking thing and things like that, So I 0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:11.879 understand that, you know, some people want to don't see 0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:13.919 the point of trading for J. C. Jackson, But who's 0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:16.200 out of practice today? And I really like this move. 0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:18.160 I think that they had to do something to remain 0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:21.560 competitive on defense, and this move puts it there. And 0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:23.160 we'll get to that in a second, though, because I 0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:25.000 don't want to leave Nick on hold for too long. 0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:27.359 So let's talk a little bit of Saints. Let's let's 0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:30.160 transition to the Saints, and we got Nick Underhill from 0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:32.719 NOLA dot Football here on the line. Nick, how's it going, man? 0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:33.480 Thanks for joining us. 0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:35.279 Hey doing well? 0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:38.600 How you guys doing good? Good? So I think the 0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:41.040 you know, the first question that I had for you, 0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:43.680 Nick is actually, you know, I always find it interesting 0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:46.799 how other teams viewed the Patriots, right, Like, how do 0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:48.919 you look at the Patriots right now in the state 0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:51.440 that they're in, and we just, you know, kind of 0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:53.480 bashed them for the last forty five minutes of our 0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:56.640 show after Sunday's game. But what is what is like 0:41:56.680 --> 0:42:00.160 the conversations down in New Orleans right now about this 0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:00.960 game on Sunday. 0:42:02.640 --> 0:42:06.200 Well, I mean, there's always the Patriots mystique, and I'm 0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:08.440 sure that's kind of imished a little bit more for 0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:10.279 people that are closer to the team, but I think 0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:13.120 from a distance there's still there's still that, you know, 0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:15.960 there's still the reference for what they are and what 0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:18.800 they were and who Bill Belichick is and all that stuff. 0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:21.560 But I mean, look, I mean they're they're kind of 0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:23.560 in a rough spot on offense, and I mean I 0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:25.960 think that's acknowledged, But so were the Saints. You know, 0:42:26.000 --> 0:42:29.239 they're kind of like weirdly parallel right now, where there's 0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:32.839 just these like totally atrocious offenses. I think the thing 0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:35.719 that maybe gives the Saints a little bit more hope 0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:37.359 than probably what the Patriots have is that you look 0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:40.879 around and there's actually talented players that you assume will 0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:43.600 eventually get things going a little bit. But you know, 0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:45.440 I don't think they're taking the Patriots lately at all, 0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:47.200 even though they're catching them at a time when they're 0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:49.239 pretty banged up and they just lost their two best 0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:53.080 players and all that stuff. But I mean, Belichick's still Belichick. Man. 0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:56.239 That name carries cachet probably further away than it does 0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:58.080 that right now, but it's definitely still there. 0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:00.640 Yeah. I wanted to ask you about the offense too, 0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:03.839 because you just said I think the one difference as 0:43:03.880 --> 0:43:07.600 I've looked at the Saints is that they got Chris Alave. 0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:12.319 You know, Calvin al Alvin Kamara's coming back or Shahid, right, 0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:14.040 I am saying I always mess that name up for 0:43:14.040 --> 0:43:17.120 some reason, but he's an explosive player, and Michael Thomas 0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:19.319 is back. Like That's the one thing that you could 0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:21.160 say about New Orleans to me is that they do 0:43:21.280 --> 0:43:24.880 have some weapons down there. And what's been the problem 0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:27.080 with the offense though, because here in New England obviously 0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:30.560 it's not quite that you can't really sit here and say, well, 0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:32.640 they could get it together because they have Chris Alave, 0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:34.160 you know, if you catch my drift. 0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:37.400 Yeah, look, I think it's three things. I mean, their 0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:41.120 their offensive line was was absolutely brutal, the first two 0:43:41.960 --> 0:43:43.960 maybe three weeks of the season, I think you could say, 0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:46.880 I mean that they weren't blocking anyone, like they were 0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:49.400 losing one on ones. They kind of got it together 0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:51.279 this week, so I think that there's tigns of hope, 0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:54.600 and you should assume that they're going to eventually get 0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:56.680 it together because I mean, you go across the board 0:43:56.960 --> 0:43:59.080 and they got three first round picks started in the 0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:01.279 second round pick start, and a first round pick on 0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:04.560 the bench. I mean, they should be good at uh 0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:07.520 at blocking out. There's just been so much resource spent there. 0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:09.880 And Doug Maroon's the coach. I mean, he's a former 0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:12.640 head coach in the league twice. I mean, so they 0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:15.319 have the players that have the coaching. I think last 0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:17.560 week we saw a corner turned, and I'm inclined to 0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:20.480 believe it just based on some of that stuff. You know. 0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:22.440 The other thing is that I think Derek Carr's kind 0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:25.440 of underwhelmed a little bit. You know, obviously he's just 0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:27.520 kind of like a like a league average quarterback, but 0:44:27.520 --> 0:44:30.439 I think he's probably been a little bit subpar so far. 0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:36.080 Lack of chemistry, some slow decisions, just not really what 0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:38.920 you expected to see. To start the season, and then 0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:41.800 the last thing is is and look, I'm not someone 0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:44.279 that ever comes after coaching really like I just never 0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:47.480 really feel comfortable doing it. It's it's always feels like 0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:50.440 like a half day criticism. But their play calling I 0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:53.799 think has been legitimately atrocious to the point like where 0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:56.200 you can see stuff happening in real time and just 0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:58.879 kind of you're scratching your head at the things they're doing, 0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:02.239 just in terms of like how they're attacking certain coverages, 0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:05.560 how they're using their personnel. Like it's just there's a 0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:09.160 lot of nonsensical things happening right now. I did an 0:45:09.160 --> 0:45:11.719 interview with Alvin Kamara yesterday. He didn't like directly call 0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:13.640 it out, but if you read between the lines, like 0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:16.040 it was seven minutes of saying like, hey, like we 0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:19.120 got to be better at play calling. So it's definitely 0:45:19.120 --> 0:45:21.399 a thing that they're looking at. Dennis Allen spoke on 0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:23.960 it this week that that, you know, Pete Carmichael Junior 0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:26.719 needs to do a better job beyondsive coordinator. So I mean, 0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:30.920 it's it's definitely not coming together as expected, but you know, 0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:32.759 as you said, I think the players are there for 0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:35.640 it to eventually turn around. It should turn around, and 0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:37.440 if it doesn't, I mean, I really do think this 0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:40.239 is a situation where, you know, if it's if it's 0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:43.520 the same, they play the Patriots this week, Houston next week. 0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:45.600 If you don't see improvement over the next two weeks, 0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:48.560 you know, I could see a change occurrent here. 0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:49.239 All Right. 0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:50.960 I got to ask you about Derek Carr, and I 0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:52.759 know you know how tough it can sometimes be to 0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:55.080 follow the storylines of other teams when you're trying to 0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:58.319 cover a game. So last week, so first of all, 0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:00.840 so Derek Carr sprained the AC joint his right children. 0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:02.720 This is like the same injury that you know Jimmy 0:46:02.719 --> 0:46:06.560 Garoppolo quarterbacks have missed time with right Yeah. 0:46:06.520 --> 0:46:08.880 He's frayed the ac joint. He didn't practice like the 0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:11.640 whole week last week, came back on Friday through, looked okay, 0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:15.239 went in the game, and I mean there were a 0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:17.400 couple of throws where I thought he definitely looked like 0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:18.919 he was injured a little bit. I mean, he tried 0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:21.040 to go down the field to Alave once underthrew him, 0:46:21.560 --> 0:46:24.440 tried to go down to Alave again, under throw them again, 0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:26.279 like they were just like a handful of things they 0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:29.239 were trying to attack to the flats. It was really 0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:31.520 really ugly. I mean that their top two tight ends 0:46:31.560 --> 0:46:33.000 were out of the game, and when you're trying to 0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:35.200 run screens behind Jimmy Graham, I mean, it's just probably 0:46:35.200 --> 0:46:37.160 not gonna work. So I mean that that's kind of 0:46:37.160 --> 0:46:38.960 where they were at with it, and it was just 0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:42.160 kind of a really ugly looking game. You know, he's 0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:45.960 looked okay this week in practice, we're we see like 0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:48.840 it slightly more than you guys do out of these sessions. 0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:51.040 Like we see like the first fifteen minutes you see 0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:54.279 routes on air and then like there's there's sometimes like 0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:57.319 a little bit of like a red zone period that 0:46:57.360 --> 0:46:59.120 you get to see, so like there's a little bit 0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:02.480 more of a sampling, and he's looked okay. You know, 0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:05.720 I think he's gonna be He's gonna start obviously this week. 0:47:06.920 --> 0:47:08.239 You know, I do think it is it is an 0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:10.320 issue though, like it but they're shooting it up and 0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:13.279 he's playing through it. And you know, he did throw 0:47:13.320 --> 0:47:15.160 a ball like fifty yards through the air last week. 0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:17.000 Again it was a little under thrown, but like he's 0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:19.840 not super limited that he is a little bit limited. 0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:22.400 So and just to kind of tighten that, you just 0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:24.440 talked about the play calling, Like I'm looking at it. 0:47:24.760 --> 0:47:27.359 Twenty three pass completions for one hundred and twenty seven yards, right, 0:47:27.400 --> 0:47:29.680 you just said he could throw a ball down the field. 0:47:29.719 --> 0:47:33.840 But is this something you believe that to any extent 0:47:34.360 --> 0:47:36.439 they have to call around right now? 0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:41.239 I mean, it's just the last game was crazy. He 0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:44.200 threw thirty seven passes an average three point four yards 0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:48.000 a completion. Like I've never seen anything like that in 0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:50.640 like my entire it was. It was unbelievable to watch. 0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:54.920 It was just look, I mean it's a little bit 0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:56.839 like I think they got a coach around it a 0:47:56.840 --> 0:47:59.120 little bit to an extent. But I mean there's just 0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:01.480 also things like if you go break down this film, 0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:03.480 like you want to rip out your hair a little bit, 0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:06.520 like they're doing things like there's just nothing over the 0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:09.360 middle like at all, Like they're just like attacking to 0:48:09.400 --> 0:48:11.399 the outside, like you're going against like cover two middle 0:48:11.400 --> 0:48:13.600 of the fields open. There's there's not even routes like 0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:15.080 going up the middle of the field, Like you aren't 0:48:15.080 --> 0:48:18.480 even bluffing how you should be attacking some of these coverages, 0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:20.960 like you know, cover three, Like there's that hole behind 0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:22.879 the linebacker in the safety, like you should have people 0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:26.120 running routes through there, Like there's no routes going through there. 0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:29.759 So it's it's play calling, and I think cars just 0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:32.600 not executed well. Like he's been terrible in the red zone, 0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:35.000 which is which has been you know, kind of the 0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:36.839 story of his whole career. That was the thing coming 0:48:36.880 --> 0:48:39.160 out of Vegas that that you know, he just wasn't 0:48:39.160 --> 0:48:40.960 good in the red zone. I think there are three 0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:43.960 for twelve this year in the red zone. It's not 0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:46.080 been good. You know. Some of the throws down there 0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:48.200 have been like a little bit panicky. Sometimes he's holding 0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:49.719 the ball a little bit too long. On the play 0:48:49.719 --> 0:48:52.440 he got injured on, I think he was like trusting 0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:55.680 his blocking maybe, so I don't totally fault him, but 0:48:55.719 --> 0:48:57.479 if you go back and look at it, it's like, damn, 0:48:57.480 --> 0:48:59.080 you could have got rid of that ball and maybe 0:48:59.160 --> 0:49:01.680 avoided a hit. Uh. You know. So there's just a 0:49:01.680 --> 0:49:04.680 few things where where it's just sometimes a little bit slow, 0:49:05.320 --> 0:49:08.279 sometimes a little bit of a lack of chemistry. But 0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:10.319 I don't think they're doing enough to help them, Like 0:49:10.400 --> 0:49:13.719 with the play call, and I mean there's the spacing 0:49:13.960 --> 0:49:16.799 on some of their their routes, like they just it 0:49:16.880 --> 0:49:19.319 doesn't make sense. It's sloppy. You got people ended up 0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:21.239 in the same place on the field. There was an 0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:24.280 incompletion at the end of the Green Bay game. Jamis 0:49:24.320 --> 0:49:26.920 was a quarterback, but you have Chris A. Love and 0:49:26.960 --> 0:49:29.279 Mike Thomas ended up in the exact same spot. And like, 0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:31.880 these are things that that we used to see, like 0:49:31.960 --> 0:49:34.759 Sean Payton just like hammering them to the point that 0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:38.480 it was like ridiculous about just the proper spacing on splits, 0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:41.080 Like he would respit like reset somebody like and tell 0:49:41.160 --> 0:49:43.520 them to move over six inches. And he was right though, 0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:45.319 Like it's what needed to happen for the play to 0:49:45.320 --> 0:49:47.520 work right, for the time to work right, for everybody 0:49:47.600 --> 0:49:49.360 done up in the right places. And like, I just 0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:51.759 think like some of those like super hard details have 0:49:51.960 --> 0:49:54.120 gone to the wayside a little bit, you know, with 0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:57.000 Carmenical taken over and it's it's a little bit of 0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:59.759 it's just kind of like a little bit of everything underwhelming. 0:50:00.560 --> 0:50:02.040 But I think all it takes is one week and 0:50:02.080 --> 0:50:04.719 it could click. But the thing with Carmichael is last 0:50:04.760 --> 0:50:07.440 year it was underwhelming. This year it's underwhelming. Like you're 0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:08.879 just kind of starting to get to the point where 0:50:08.880 --> 0:50:10.920 it's like maybe this is just who he is and 0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:12.799 it's not going to get significantly better. 0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:15.440 That sounds kind of familiar. Yeah, the spacing and things 0:50:15.440 --> 0:50:18.440 like that was definitely eerily similar. I was like, that's, 0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:20.840 you know, that's how the Patriots were for twenty years, 0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:24.080 and that hasn't been how it's been for you know, 0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:25.799 two or three now. I want to move over to 0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:28.479 the defense, though, because that is for both teams, really 0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:31.439 the strength of their team. I wanted to talk about 0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:34.160 the secondary in New Orleans though. You know, obviously we 0:50:34.239 --> 0:50:38.839 know Lattimore, we know Honey Badger, Tyron Matthew, but some 0:50:38.880 --> 0:50:40.840 of these other guys like Isaac Gideam and some of 0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:42.799 these other players are starting to step up for them 0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:44.799 and they've been a really good pass defense. What have 0:50:44.840 --> 0:50:46.120 you seen from those guys? 0:50:47.080 --> 0:50:49.479 Yeah, so A Lottimore has been I think he's probably 0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:52.200 playing the best he's played in his career. Mike Evans 0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:54.640 got him place last week, so I mean that's usually 0:50:54.640 --> 0:50:56.759 a matchup to a Lottimore wins. He he definitely lost 0:50:56.760 --> 0:50:59.480 that one. And then Evans got hurt. But he's been 0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:01.880 really good. He's proud, like the thak with Latimer is 0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:04.040 like throughout his career, like he hasn't been like a 0:51:04.080 --> 0:51:07.400 good practicer. He wasn't serious of practice. I don't think, 0:51:07.440 --> 0:51:09.680 you know. And that's changed over the last couple of years. 0:51:09.680 --> 0:51:12.440 There's a maturation to his game and he looks really 0:51:12.600 --> 0:51:15.600 really good so far this year. And Tyron Matthew I 0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:18.080 think is playing better this year than he did last 0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:20.600 year as well, Like coming into the season last year 0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:22.439 that he had something going on in his personal life. 0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:25.600 He left her in camp, he came back. It just 0:51:25.680 --> 0:51:27.600 kind of took it a little while to settle in 0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:30.320 and get going, build chemistry and all that. Once it clicked, 0:51:30.360 --> 0:51:32.640 it clicked though, and he was good the second half 0:51:32.680 --> 0:51:34.040 of the year. But he's looked really good to start 0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:38.480 the season. The other stafety Marcus May he's serving a suspension. 0:51:38.520 --> 0:51:41.520 He'll be out this week. His backup Jordan Howden, was 0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:44.319 out last week. That's a rookie fits round pack. He's 0:51:44.320 --> 0:51:46.239 been pretty solid. He should be back this week, but 0:51:46.280 --> 0:51:49.319 he's playing through yet hand surgery, so his hand will 0:51:49.320 --> 0:51:52.160 probably be club so I don't know. Turnover potential is 0:51:52.200 --> 0:51:56.560 probably pretty low at that spot. The other qurnerback you 0:51:56.560 --> 0:51:59.719 mentioned Aasak Yeadham. He started the last two weeks. There 0:51:59.760 --> 0:52:03.840 was an injury to Pulsing a Deevo Pussing and Debos 0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:06.920 should be back and playing in that spot. The atom 0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:09.279 has been awesome, so it's gonna be interesting to see. 0:52:09.320 --> 0:52:12.400 Like Devo's a very physical corner, but he can definitely 0:52:12.480 --> 0:52:16.320 be exploited. Uh, he likes to He's kind of like gravy. 0:52:16.400 --> 0:52:19.120 There's a lot of p I penalties, so that that's 0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:21.839 you know, something that that could potentially be exploited. Double 0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:23.719 moves is something that I would run a lot about him. 0:52:24.080 --> 0:52:27.279 And then the guy in the slot, Alante Taylor. So 0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:31.000 much energy, so much passion, tons of talent, tons of upside, 0:52:31.160 --> 0:52:35.200 unbelievable athleticism, plays out of control sometimes and you know 0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:38.799 sometimes in the run game there's there's mistackles. He's new 0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:42.080 to the slot this year, definitely still learning it. And 0:52:42.680 --> 0:52:45.520 you know there's ups and there's downs. When he flashes 0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:48.600 like he flashes like nobody else, and when he gets beat, 0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:49.960 he gets beat like nobody else. 0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:52.719 Yeah, and two other just you know more veteran guys 0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:55.240 on that defense. First of all, I'm glad that Tomrio 0:52:55.400 --> 0:52:59.480 Davis is finally starting to get some national attention as 0:52:59.520 --> 0:53:02.680 one of the time linebackers in the NFL. He's the 0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:05.400 type of guy that I think could really ruin this 0:53:05.520 --> 0:53:07.640 game for the Patriots the way you know, how aggressive 0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:09.520 he is and things like that. You know, what is 0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:12.239 what has been, you know, the key to his ascension though, 0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:15.759 to getting on more of like a national stage, if 0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:16.120 you will. 0:53:18.000 --> 0:53:19.799 It's surprising me that people are just kind of paying 0:53:19.800 --> 0:53:21.960 attention to him. And it's funny. He was like, I 0:53:22.000 --> 0:53:23.919 think a second team All Pro and had never made 0:53:23.960 --> 0:53:26.279 the Pro Bowl yet because like fans just never heard 0:53:26.280 --> 0:53:29.680 about it. I don't understand it. He's been incredible though, 0:53:29.960 --> 0:53:32.440 and you know, it's funny that people are catching up 0:53:32.440 --> 0:53:34.120 to him now because like he was, he was probably 0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:36.960 better two years ago. Like he's just he he had 0:53:37.000 --> 0:53:39.320 this like back half of his career here that was 0:53:39.400 --> 0:53:42.400 just it's just been unbelievable. And you know, he's getting 0:53:42.560 --> 0:53:45.200 a little bit older, but he's just so smart and 0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:49.000 so anticipatory that it doesn't it doesn't matter. Like he's 0:53:49.239 --> 0:53:51.680 seems like he's still improving a little bit like in 0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:54.799 that aspect. But he's he's just great at everything. He's 0:53:54.840 --> 0:53:58.400 incredibly sound. He's he's solid and coverage, they can use 0:53:58.480 --> 0:54:00.360 him as a blitzer. They like to use them as blitzer. 0:54:00.440 --> 0:54:03.040 He's really good at that. He's just he's just such 0:54:03.080 --> 0:54:06.480 a cerebral player. And you know, he's he's the guy 0:54:06.560 --> 0:54:08.719 calling stuff out before it happens all the time. Like 0:54:08.800 --> 0:54:12.040 he's just he's he's just really really good, really really sound. 0:54:12.480 --> 0:54:14.279 You don't really see him make too many mistakes. He 0:54:14.480 --> 0:54:17.399 missed the tackle against Green Bay, but I mean it's 0:54:17.480 --> 0:54:20.400 like one mistake that that, you know, the whole season. 0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:23.640 He's just such a good player, and yeah, he deserves 0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:26.719 all the recognition. It's it's too bad, man, Like if 0:54:26.760 --> 0:54:28.560 he was a few years younger, Like he's someone that 0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:30.360 could potentially have like a Hall of Fame case, but 0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:32.360 he just got off to such a slow start with 0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:34.320 the Jets, and it took him a little while to 0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:36.440 kind of like he's talked a lot about like like 0:54:36.600 --> 0:54:38.400 how how he had to learn out of the study 0:54:38.480 --> 0:54:40.520 and all this stuff, and like once he finally figured 0:54:40.560 --> 0:54:43.400 it all out, like he became like a truly truly 0:54:43.640 --> 0:54:45.759 incredible player, one of the best linebackers in the league, 0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:46.120 no doubt. 0:54:46.200 --> 0:54:46.640 So it's funny. 0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:49.080 I actually wanted to ask you about another linebacker. Pete 0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:50.920 Warner was a guy me and Evan both really liked 0:54:50.960 --> 0:54:52.480 coming out of the draft a couple of years ago. 0:54:52.520 --> 0:54:54.520 And it seems like he's kind of started to hit 0:54:54.600 --> 0:54:56.680 his stride this year. What have you seen from him? 0:54:58.120 --> 0:55:00.839 Yeah, another one. Really good, really good, Like his range 0:55:00.920 --> 0:55:04.680 is awesome. Me, he's really good in coverage. He kind 0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:07.279 of makes every single tackle. He's just he's all over 0:55:07.360 --> 0:55:10.120 the place. Not not like a flashy player, but just 0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:12.920 kind of, you know, very like you know, you'll look 0:55:13.000 --> 0:55:14.480 up and all of a sudden he has, you know, 0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:16.839 twelve tackles in the game. It's like, damn, Like he's 0:55:16.880 --> 0:55:20.800 just he's just really really good, really sounds, you know, 0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:23.680 And yeah, I think he keeps getting better. And he's 0:55:23.719 --> 0:55:25.279 someone too that that's starting to be us a little 0:55:25.280 --> 0:55:26.520 bit more. As a blitzer. They'd like to use their 0:55:26.560 --> 0:55:29.840 linebackers like in these blitz packages a lot. Like on 0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:33.720 third downs, they played three down defensive lineman and they 0:55:33.800 --> 0:55:35.600 go to their dime package and they send the fourth 0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:38.359 Usually it's usually a linebacker you don't know where it's 0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:40.400 coming from. Though, Kayden ellis they got it that went 0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:43.600 to Atlanta last offseason, was kind of the primary blitzer 0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:46.800 last year, so like Werner and Davis has been sparingly 0:55:46.920 --> 0:55:49.440 using it a little bit this year. But that that's 0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:51.080 something that I expect to see ramp up a little 0:55:51.080 --> 0:55:53.040 bit and Werner's Werner's been getting a little bit more 0:55:53.080 --> 0:55:54.520 action in those types of looks too. 0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:56.120 All right, one moreph you, nick I got I gotta 0:55:56.120 --> 0:55:59.000 get a special teams question in here. Rashid shi Heat's 0:55:59.040 --> 0:56:00.880 been you mentioned him on, but he's been one of 0:56:00.880 --> 0:56:03.640 the best returners in football already, has to punt this year. 0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:06.759 We've seen the Patriots special team struggle at times this year, 0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:09.080 like where's the threat with him? And is he a 0:56:09.120 --> 0:56:11.319 guy that they could make an impact in that area 0:56:11.400 --> 0:56:11.719 this week? 0:56:12.880 --> 0:56:14.440 Oh yeah, every time he gets the ball. I mean, 0:56:14.480 --> 0:56:18.000 he's definitely a threat. I mean he's just great vision, 0:56:18.200 --> 0:56:21.800 just just sees the field really well and incredibly explosive 0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:23.640 gets down the field. I'm surprised to hear that's Patriots 0:56:23.640 --> 0:56:25.799 special teams are struggling because that's usually like the calling 0:56:25.880 --> 0:56:28.799 card for them. But yeah, she is, she has been. 0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:31.640 He's a great returner, definitely a threat every single time. 0:56:31.760 --> 0:56:33.879 I try to keep the ball away from him if 0:56:33.920 --> 0:56:36.719 I could. You know, it's funny because like the Saints 0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:38.440 are one of those teams too, like Patriots that put 0:56:38.440 --> 0:56:40.160 a lot in special teams. They got J. C. Gray 0:56:40.200 --> 0:56:42.520 the gunner. He's kind of Verry Slater ish, like a 0:56:42.600 --> 0:56:46.239 difference maker the Patriot or the Saints. Hunter has been 0:56:46.520 --> 0:56:50.600 pretty bad. There's not a lot of consistency there, so 0:56:50.680 --> 0:56:53.120 that that's something that if the Patriots need to get right, 0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:56.160 they might have an opportunity there at some point. But yeah, 0:56:56.360 --> 0:56:57.720 he's definitely something that can break. 0:56:57.520 --> 0:57:00.840 The game open, all right, Nick, So last one, I 0:57:01.000 --> 0:57:04.120 promise that just what is your pick in this game? 0:57:04.200 --> 0:57:06.160 And like, if you're the Patriots, I would say, is 0:57:06.200 --> 0:57:09.160 a better question to phrase this? How would you attack 0:57:09.280 --> 0:57:12.040 this this Saints defense in particular, I think the offense 0:57:12.239 --> 0:57:16.480 against the Patriots defense doesn't worries fans as much up 0:57:16.560 --> 0:57:18.960 here as going against that Saints defense. How would you 0:57:19.040 --> 0:57:21.480 attack the Saints defense if you were the Patriots. 0:57:23.800 --> 0:57:27.080 So, I mean, my pick, my only pick that I 0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:29.680 feel good about is the under forty points. I mean, 0:57:29.720 --> 0:57:31.439 I don't know if these teams are going to score 0:57:31.480 --> 0:57:34.040 twenty points. It might be a race to seventeen. If 0:57:34.040 --> 0:57:36.760 I had to pick one team, I hate to make 0:57:36.800 --> 0:57:38.680 the Homer pick here, but I mean I would probably 0:57:38.680 --> 0:57:40.800 go with the Saints just because I think they have 0:57:40.960 --> 0:57:42.920 a little bit more offensive talent and it's just kind 0:57:42.960 --> 0:57:45.240 of like maybe maybe last week was a wake up call, 0:57:45.720 --> 0:57:49.120 you know, attacking this defense. They're down to safety, you know. 0:57:49.240 --> 0:57:52.360 I would try to get vertical on whatever side of 0:57:52.400 --> 0:57:54.640 the field Jordan Howden's on and just kind of see 0:57:54.680 --> 0:57:57.600 where that's at. I would attack the slot because, like 0:57:57.640 --> 0:57:59.640 I said, I think Alante Taylor is someone that can 0:57:59.680 --> 0:58:02.200 be you know, he he gave up like ten catches 0:58:02.200 --> 0:58:05.760 a couple of weeks ago, I think against Carolina. So 0:58:05.880 --> 0:58:08.400 that's that's one place i'd try to go with it. 0:58:08.440 --> 0:58:10.600 I'd run double move to the debo and eventually you're 0:58:10.640 --> 0:58:12.600 gonna get a key I down the field and get 0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:15.480 a free play. Like so, there's just a handful of 0:58:15.520 --> 0:58:17.400 things that I think you can do against their secondary 0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:19.680 and just try to try to see where the soft 0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:21.680 spots are. The one thing I definitely wouldn't do is 0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:24.320 throw the ball at a lot of more. It's just tough, 0:58:24.400 --> 0:58:27.160 but look, they're gonna disguise their coverages. So I mean 0:58:27.240 --> 0:58:30.560 Mac needs to be you know, I I've only looked 0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:32.880 a little bit. It seems like he's had some trouble 0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:34.760 with teams that do that well. And that's one of 0:58:34.840 --> 0:58:37.040 the things that that this defense does really really well. 0:58:37.120 --> 0:58:39.720 They'll hold their look until the very last second and 0:58:39.800 --> 0:58:42.160 they'll make you know, they'll give you a quarters look 0:58:42.160 --> 0:58:44.400 and it'll turn into cover three and you know, if 0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:47.040 you aren't reading that like through the snap like you're 0:58:47.080 --> 0:58:49.120 gonna make a mistake. So they just need to be 0:58:49.280 --> 0:58:52.000 very very aware of what their safeties are doing and 0:58:52.400 --> 0:58:53.160 what coverage is there. 0:58:53.200 --> 0:58:58.000 And absolutely awesome and I guess we'll see you on Sunday. Yeah, yes, sir, 0:58:58.120 --> 0:59:00.400 well awesome. Thanks next, safe travels. Thanks for calling in. 0:59:00.960 --> 0:59:03.920 I think you too. So yeah, I think that's a 0:59:03.960 --> 0:59:06.200 great point about what he brings up. And as we 0:59:06.280 --> 0:59:08.040 kind of segue here a little bit and more more 0:59:08.080 --> 0:59:10.960 of the Saints about Dennis Allen's defense, you know, watching 0:59:11.040 --> 0:59:13.640 them against the Bucks and uh this season so far, 0:59:14.200 --> 0:59:16.440 you got to look at you know, their their stats 0:59:16.480 --> 0:59:19.720 of like coverages that they use and and rushes that 0:59:19.800 --> 0:59:23.520 they they they throw the kitchen sink at a quarterback 0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:26.760 right like there, they spend the dial, they play one 0:59:26.880 --> 0:59:29.200 high two high man zone, they play a lot of 0:59:29.400 --> 0:59:31.240 a lot of man to man coverage, which we know 0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:33.600 the Patriots have had trouble with. And then their third 0:59:33.640 --> 0:59:36.560 down package is very patriot like. Well they'll put you know, 0:59:36.720 --> 0:59:39.520 five six guys up on the line of scrimmage and 0:59:39.640 --> 0:59:42.200 they only send four, but you don't know which four 0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:44.200 are coming, so you have to decipher all of that 0:59:44.360 --> 0:59:47.360 post snap. That's a great point by by Nick there 0:59:47.440 --> 0:59:50.280 about that's that's some of the stuff that I just 0:59:50.440 --> 0:59:54.000 laid out, you know, the disguising, the pressure man to 0:59:54.160 --> 0:59:57.120 man like that, that's the kryptonite for the Patriots offense 0:59:57.200 --> 0:59:59.959 so far. So the under as he as he said, 1:00:00.160 --> 1:00:02.760 is is a good pick here. Let's let's clear some 1:00:02.840 --> 1:00:04.360 of these phone calls out and a lot of people 1:00:04.400 --> 1:00:05.920 have been waiting on hold for a long time, and 1:00:06.000 --> 1:00:08.120 we appreciate that, and then we'll we'll get into some 1:00:08.160 --> 1:00:10.600 of the other things we wanted to discuss. But Christian 1:00:10.880 --> 1:00:13.280 is in start with Patty actually has been on hold longer. 1:00:13.320 --> 1:00:13.920 What's up, Patty? 1:00:13.960 --> 1:00:17.640 If you're still there, Hey, you guys will see me 1:00:17.760 --> 1:00:20.040 on Sunday too. I'll be at the stadium like that. 1:00:22.600 --> 1:00:26.040 Oh right, they You know what, though, I don't know 1:00:26.080 --> 1:00:26.760 what to expect. 1:00:26.880 --> 1:00:27.479 I really don't. 1:00:29.640 --> 1:00:32.080 Yeah, I bet, I bet the delete stadiums are not 1:00:32.240 --> 1:00:33.840 the left. But I've been to fox for us in 1:00:33.920 --> 1:00:36.280 the game seven of these times, guys in my life, 1:00:37.120 --> 1:00:39.960 and the only time they've ever lost was back in 1:00:40.080 --> 1:00:43.120 ninety five when they played the Brontos. And know anything 1:00:43.160 --> 1:00:46.120 about John Elway, he never lost the paper or for 1:00:46.280 --> 1:00:49.880 the Bengals in his career. And you know, part of 1:00:49.920 --> 1:00:52.040 me likes to think that I'd like to keep micro 1:00:52.120 --> 1:00:56.280 Buck Street going, you know, just selfishly and egoistically. But 1:00:56.400 --> 1:00:59.560 part of me thinks that, like, damn, maybe with all this, 1:00:59.840 --> 1:01:03.240 you know, with all of our cornerbacks hurt. I know, 1:01:03.360 --> 1:01:06.720 we just picked up JC, But like all the top 1:01:06.760 --> 1:01:11.080 of the run guys out of this game and all 1:01:11.120 --> 1:01:15.200 the potential firepower that the Saints have, I might, I 1:01:16.040 --> 1:01:18.840 might see another thirty seven to three games. Because that 1:01:19.040 --> 1:01:22.120 was the final score to that Broncos game. I hope 1:01:22.120 --> 1:01:23.840 that I do have a little bit of faith that 1:01:25.200 --> 1:01:27.200 Matt's going to pull his head out of his rear 1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:29.600 end and hopefully play a decent game. 1:01:29.680 --> 1:01:31.160 Hopefully play with instructure. 1:01:32.000 --> 1:01:35.440 But I'll tell you what the defense I'm with the 1:01:35.520 --> 1:01:38.640 lot to dot on with obviously the Dallas and the 1:01:38.760 --> 1:01:41.040 other two Vielins is not being on the field. 1:01:41.080 --> 1:01:42.080 It really worries me. 1:01:42.160 --> 1:01:44.919 Guys, give me some hope, Alex, give me some hope. 1:01:44.960 --> 1:01:48.120 Baby, Thanks for the call. Patty is always and have 1:01:48.240 --> 1:01:51.040 fun at the game, I hopefully. I don't think the 1:01:51.080 --> 1:01:52.880 Patriots are gonna lose this game and a blowout. But 1:01:52.920 --> 1:01:57.120 I thought what Nick also said about that this Saints offense, 1:01:57.160 --> 1:01:59.440 I think it's different from the Patriots offense, even though 1:01:59.480 --> 1:02:03.000 they're their production is very similar and that being not good. 1:02:03.680 --> 1:02:06.080 I think the difference is is that the Saints have 1:02:06.240 --> 1:02:10.160 some pieces offensively, they just haven't really pointed to all 1:02:10.200 --> 1:02:12.640 the pieces in the right direction. And Derek Carr, I 1:02:12.680 --> 1:02:15.520 think it's Brady made it look so easy that you know, 1:02:15.640 --> 1:02:19.520 some people forget Derek Carr was in Vegas, I guess now, 1:02:19.600 --> 1:02:21.760 but with the Raiders for like a decade and then 1:02:21.800 --> 1:02:23.760 he has to come to a completely new system, a 1:02:23.800 --> 1:02:26.840 completely new area, like move coast to coast and like 1:02:27.200 --> 1:02:29.680 there's a transition period there. But when you look at 1:02:29.720 --> 1:02:33.200 the Saints roster offensively, they have some first round picks 1:02:33.240 --> 1:02:36.040 on their offensive line. They have Chris Olava on the outside, 1:02:36.080 --> 1:02:38.560 who's a great receiver and still is playing well, even 1:02:38.600 --> 1:02:41.920 though the Saints offense as a whole isn't. Alvin Kamara 1:02:42.040 --> 1:02:45.920 is back now after his suspension. There's just there's more 1:02:46.000 --> 1:02:48.800 pieces on that side of the ball. So my fear 1:02:48.840 --> 1:02:51.360 of this game is that is that the Saints are 1:02:51.440 --> 1:02:53.840 going to finally figure it out a little bit offensively 1:02:54.240 --> 1:02:56.080 and they're going to get some things rolling on that 1:02:56.200 --> 1:02:58.000 side of the ball. And I don't think the Patriots, 1:02:58.120 --> 1:03:00.880 even against New Orleans, they don't have the firepower that 1:03:00.960 --> 1:03:03.320 New Orleans has. If this ends up being a game 1:03:03.400 --> 1:03:05.920 that does get into let's say the twenties versus a 1:03:05.960 --> 1:03:07.800 game that we're all picking, which would be like a 1:03:07.880 --> 1:03:10.840 rock fight in the teams, right. I think with car too, 1:03:11.000 --> 1:03:13.080 there's the thing about his shoulder, Like you mentioned that 1:03:13.080 --> 1:03:14.840 he's got to come in, he's got to learn new offense, 1:03:14.880 --> 1:03:16.400 and now he's struggling to throw the ball. He can't 1:03:16.400 --> 1:03:18.280 throw the ball deep, which is something they probably wanted 1:03:18.320 --> 1:03:21.120 to do. Yeah, So yeah, he actually is a most 1:03:21.160 --> 1:03:23.720 of his career, he's been a pretty good deep ball thrower. Yeah, 1:03:23.880 --> 1:03:26.040 like that's not you know, he doesn't have this big 1:03:26.520 --> 1:03:29.400 cannon in terms of like driving the ball into tight windows. 1:03:29.480 --> 1:03:32.320 At the intermediate level, I've never really thought of him 1:03:32.360 --> 1:03:35.200 as like a great anticipatory passer over the middle of 1:03:35.280 --> 1:03:38.000 the field. But deep balls, he's usually been pretty good 1:03:38.040 --> 1:03:40.440 at that. And h and yeah, I guess at that shoulder. 1:03:40.440 --> 1:03:42.960 He's zero for five on deep passes last last week. 1:03:43.080 --> 1:03:45.320 So that that's what I'm interested in with this game, 1:03:45.480 --> 1:03:48.280 is just that. Because Bill even said earlier this week, like, yeah, 1:03:48.280 --> 1:03:50.000 you know, good deep ball team, you got to be 1:03:50.040 --> 1:03:52.560 ready for it. Yeah, is that something they can do? 1:03:53.200 --> 1:03:55.880 I I would you have a quarterback with a with 1:03:56.000 --> 1:03:59.360 a bad shoulder injury. Most guys don't play through. I 1:03:59.440 --> 1:04:01.480 would make him put as much as he can on 1:04:01.520 --> 1:04:04.360 every pass. And like like Nick said, he's trying to 1:04:04.400 --> 1:04:06.400 throw the ball deep to chrys Olave last week, he 1:04:06.440 --> 1:04:07.919 goes fifty yards but it comes up short. 1:04:08.520 --> 1:04:09.360 That's that J C. 1:04:09.560 --> 1:04:11.840 Jackson's you know here in Bells, when he hears that, 1:04:11.960 --> 1:04:12.640 that's his play. 1:04:13.200 --> 1:04:16.960 So the underthrown deep ball interception, right, let's. 1:04:17.680 --> 1:04:20.440 Well, because he's good at as he can recognize. For 1:04:21.320 --> 1:04:23.600 let's get the guy with the bad throwing shoulder to 1:04:23.760 --> 1:04:24.600 throw the ball deep. 1:04:24.920 --> 1:04:29.520 Yeah, I mean that that's definitely what the Bucks tried 1:04:29.520 --> 1:04:32.320 to do. The Bucks played a lot. They played eighty 1:04:32.640 --> 1:04:36.160 four percent of their downs in zone coverage, and like 1:04:36.360 --> 1:04:39.400 sixty percent of it was split safety zone. So they 1:04:39.600 --> 1:04:43.520 just absolutely begged Derek Carr to throw it deep into 1:04:43.560 --> 1:04:47.640 their two deep zones. And he tried a couple of 1:04:47.760 --> 1:04:49.960 times and failed, and the rest of the game was 1:04:50.000 --> 1:04:52.840 all checkdowns. Right, he threw like a I think it 1:04:52.960 --> 1:04:55.560 was a record like fourteen passes behind the line of 1:04:55.600 --> 1:04:56.560 scrimmage or something like that. 1:04:56.720 --> 1:04:58.640 It's a wit Nick was saying, it's a weird game 1:04:58.680 --> 1:05:01.240 if you look at the breakdown of But I also. 1:05:01.160 --> 1:05:06.200 Don't think that that was necessarily because the Raiders were 1:05:06.240 --> 1:05:08.480 calling a bunch of screens because Derek Carr couldn't throw 1:05:08.520 --> 1:05:10.520 the ball because of his shoulder. I think that that's 1:05:10.640 --> 1:05:14.440 just what was open from the Bucks perspective, and the 1:05:14.520 --> 1:05:16.919 Bucks were just trying to get him to check it down, 1:05:17.000 --> 1:05:19.680 and he was taking the check downs and taking the 1:05:19.760 --> 1:05:21.440 check downs, and the Bucks did a good job of 1:05:21.520 --> 1:05:23.960 rallying to the football. This is a you know, you 1:05:24.040 --> 1:05:26.680 mentioned Shaheed Chris Olave, like, those guys can get up 1:05:26.720 --> 1:05:29.040 the field. They can get up the field and create 1:05:29.120 --> 1:05:32.280 on vertical routes and create opportunities to throw the ball deep. 1:05:32.760 --> 1:05:35.479 And the Bucks just they played soft zone, they played 1:05:35.520 --> 1:05:38.240 off coverage, they played two deep shells, and they just 1:05:38.600 --> 1:05:40.640 said the only way that you're beating us is if 1:05:40.680 --> 1:05:43.280 you matriculate down the field. And that's I mean, that's 1:05:43.320 --> 1:05:46.280 football nowadays in general, like that's how everybody's playing it. 1:05:46.800 --> 1:05:49.360 But I thought that was very telling from Tampa Bay. 1:05:49.400 --> 1:05:51.360 All right, Christian is in La. What's up? Christian? 1:05:53.080 --> 1:05:53.600 Hey, you guys. 1:05:54.480 --> 1:06:00.240 You two things And I kind of part the little 1:06:00.240 --> 1:06:01.400 bit on the LST Show, but I know you guys 1:06:01.480 --> 1:06:03.439 have to really go quickly on the of the shows 1:06:03.440 --> 1:06:04.160 that you can't really. 1:06:04.040 --> 1:06:05.760 Take it too. But I just wanted to touch on 1:06:05.920 --> 1:06:09.760 it again. And did I have a Mac Jones something 1:06:09.800 --> 1:06:10.720 that I saw in Mac. 1:06:10.640 --> 1:06:12.600 Jones that I would like to point out to see 1:06:12.640 --> 1:06:14.520 if you guys see it too or don't see it. 1:06:14.840 --> 1:06:18.320 First things first, and thanks for taking my call, guys. 1:06:18.400 --> 1:06:21.560 I appreciate the show and love love talking to you guys. 1:06:22.280 --> 1:06:22.560 Thank you. 1:06:23.800 --> 1:06:27.920 Yeah, right on, So first things first, I say this 1:06:28.000 --> 1:06:31.400 as being sort of a five win team, and that's 1:06:31.480 --> 1:06:34.200 sort of to me the high market if we don't 1:06:34.240 --> 1:06:38.160 have our defense anymore and just the offense just really 1:06:38.320 --> 1:06:40.680 is trying to figure yourself out in this league, trying 1:06:40.720 --> 1:06:43.200 to figure yourself out means you're not gonna win very 1:06:43.240 --> 1:06:45.439 many games. You may get it together for a couple 1:06:45.440 --> 1:06:47.360 of games and see some bright spots and what could 1:06:47.360 --> 1:06:49.680 be coming up, but you're not gonna win very many games. 1:06:49.720 --> 1:06:52.880 So for me, we're going into the next into this 1:06:53.120 --> 1:06:58.280 draft like top seven, right, top ten pick, we already 1:06:58.360 --> 1:07:02.240 have that that that why can't we and mostly you 1:07:02.360 --> 1:07:05.240 get a second round pick at some point in second round, 1:07:05.640 --> 1:07:08.160 why couldn't we take our third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and 1:07:08.280 --> 1:07:11.520 seventh round pick and package them to like a team 1:07:11.640 --> 1:07:13.480 like San Francisco that's not going to be trying to 1:07:13.560 --> 1:07:16.280 really build an impact player next draft. They're looking for 1:07:16.360 --> 1:07:18.600 more depth and stuff like that, and wind up with 1:07:18.720 --> 1:07:22.360 a great first rounder, someone maybe in the bottom of 1:07:22.400 --> 1:07:24.720 the first round that we'd get from five picks from 1:07:24.800 --> 1:07:27.720 something else, and a good second round of three impact 1:07:27.800 --> 1:07:31.240 players to change the culture, change the team really quickly. 1:07:31.320 --> 1:07:33.400 Could you kind of dig into this philosophy of that, 1:07:33.640 --> 1:07:36.960 But then the thing about mac Jones is and I 1:07:37.040 --> 1:07:39.800 know it's not fair to compare anything to Tom Brady 1:07:39.880 --> 1:07:41.840 at all, so I'm not really doing that, but it 1:07:41.920 --> 1:07:45.360 seemed like Brady had this sort of succession of football 1:07:45.520 --> 1:07:49.080 intelligence where the first quarter he would throw some things 1:07:49.120 --> 1:07:51.720 out there and sort of try something. The second quarter 1:07:51.880 --> 1:07:53.840 he would see how those things are really affecting and 1:07:53.960 --> 1:07:57.240 working the defense. The third quarter he would know what 1:07:57.360 --> 1:07:58.880 the defense is going to do, and then the first 1:07:58.960 --> 1:08:01.240 quarter he would light you up. It doesn't seem like 1:08:01.360 --> 1:08:05.240 mac Jones has that level of football intelligence to make 1:08:05.760 --> 1:08:07.800 that progression has the game unfold. 1:08:08.480 --> 1:08:10.400 Thank you, guys, pick up the air. I appreciate you 1:08:10.480 --> 1:08:11.080 guys so much. 1:08:11.280 --> 1:08:13.840 No problem, Thanks for the call, Christian, We appreciate it. 1:08:13.920 --> 1:08:16.439 So the draft thing, uh, definitely more of like an 1:08:16.479 --> 1:08:19.320 offseason deep dive. I was trying to keep that. So 1:08:19.720 --> 1:08:22.559 basically what he's saying is, why don't you just take 1:08:23.000 --> 1:08:25.680 your your ten draft picks that you have, Yeah, and 1:08:25.840 --> 1:08:29.680 consolidated to three, but you're getting three top fifty picks out, 1:08:29.800 --> 1:08:30.400 you know what I mean? 1:08:30.640 --> 1:08:30.840 Like that? 1:08:31.040 --> 1:08:33.080 That's I think basically the argument. 1:08:33.760 --> 1:08:36.840 Because one one is I think a lot of teams 1:08:36.880 --> 1:08:38.519 don't just want a bunch of late draft picks because 1:08:38.520 --> 1:08:40.200 you've got to roster all those guys. And the flip 1:08:40.280 --> 1:08:42.800 side of it is, to a certain extent, you need 1:08:43.280 --> 1:08:45.200 a certain number of guys on your roster that are 1:08:45.240 --> 1:08:47.559 on rookie contracts because if you have to fill too 1:08:47.600 --> 1:08:49.599 many spots with free agents, it's it's going to kill 1:08:49.600 --> 1:08:49.960 your cap. 1:08:50.479 --> 1:08:53.000 So, yeah, it's it's not the NBA. You can't do that. 1:08:53.280 --> 1:08:57.120 The NFL draft is much more nuanced. Yeah, look the NBA. 1:08:57.320 --> 1:08:59.680 Yeah, he called in with Pu to PU and we 1:09:00.160 --> 1:09:01.680 we did have to kind of quickly talk about it 1:09:01.720 --> 1:09:03.320 because we had to get the picks. We had to hurry, right, 1:09:03.640 --> 1:09:05.960 But the biggest thing was is you know, yeah, like 1:09:06.040 --> 1:09:08.920 I love the idea. If the Patriots are picking you know, 1:09:09.040 --> 1:09:12.080 like to use his example, they're picking seventh, which means 1:09:12.080 --> 1:09:14.240 they're picking what thirty eight or thirty nine in the 1:09:14.320 --> 1:09:16.479 second round. If they want to jump back into the 1:09:16.560 --> 1:09:18.719 first round at the end of the first round instead 1:09:18.720 --> 1:09:20.400 of picking at the beginning of the second round because 1:09:20.400 --> 1:09:22.519 they really like a guy on Night one, then I'm 1:09:22.560 --> 1:09:24.559 all for that. But they're gonna have to trade from 1:09:24.640 --> 1:09:25.800 future drafts to make right. 1:09:25.920 --> 1:09:29.720 You can't nobody's so he basically wants to trade what three, four, five, six, 1:09:29.800 --> 1:09:30.800 and seven for a low one. 1:09:31.000 --> 1:09:33.639 Yeah. Yeah, nobody's gonna do that. That's just Yeah. 1:09:33.920 --> 1:09:35.320 If you could do that, every team would do it. 1:09:35.400 --> 1:09:38.880 That's pretty much why. The second point, the reason Tom 1:09:38.880 --> 1:09:40.280 Brady was able to do that is because he had 1:09:40.280 --> 1:09:42.120 the margin Freerr, because he knew if he got down 1:09:42.240 --> 1:09:45.080 ten fourteen points early on, yeah, he was good enough 1:09:45.120 --> 1:09:47.080 to quickly score and he could fall back on what 1:09:47.160 --> 1:09:50.640 he does best, MACS. Most quarterbacks don't operate within that 1:09:50.800 --> 1:09:54.120 margin Forrer. Yeah, so that was a uniquely Brady thing. 1:09:54.560 --> 1:09:57.160 Like Mahomes can do it, Rogers did that a little bit, 1:09:57.280 --> 1:10:01.760 Peyton did it. That's an elite, elite, elite quarterback kind 1:10:01.840 --> 1:10:04.280 of thing to I would also sort of just use 1:10:04.360 --> 1:10:06.439 the first half of the game like a preseason. 1:10:06.160 --> 1:10:08.240 Yeah, no, totally. And I would also just say that 1:10:08.439 --> 1:10:14.120 like with Brady Brady, it wasn't the cut corners, but 1:10:14.200 --> 1:10:17.120 like Brady didn't have to worry about every little thing, right, 1:10:17.240 --> 1:10:19.240 you know, Like Brady didn't have to worry about, Okay, 1:10:19.280 --> 1:10:20.920 where are my eyes on this play? Where are my 1:10:20.960 --> 1:10:23.000 footwork on this play? Because all that type of stuff 1:10:23.439 --> 1:10:25.439 was just innate to him. Like he just it just 1:10:25.560 --> 1:10:27.720 came to He had done it so many times and 1:10:27.800 --> 1:10:29.680 he did it at such a high level that it 1:10:29.880 --> 1:10:33.480 just kind of came to him naturally. Of my footwork, 1:10:33.680 --> 1:10:36.599 my cadence, my eye, my eyes, where are they where 1:10:36.600 --> 1:10:38.600 it's my read? Was the intent of this play? Like 1:10:38.640 --> 1:10:41.120 all the things that Mack was talking about yesterday, right, 1:10:41.240 --> 1:10:43.479 All that type of stuff was natural to Tom Brady, 1:10:43.880 --> 1:10:48.160 so he could go to that next level of deciphering 1:10:48.280 --> 1:10:51.160 defense and deciphering how the game is declaring and how 1:10:51.160 --> 1:10:53.160 they are they defending us? And how are they defending 1:10:53.280 --> 1:10:55.559 me and all these type like Dad type of nuance 1:10:55.640 --> 1:10:58.720 of the game. I don't know if mac has Is 1:10:58.960 --> 1:11:01.920 necessarily has the k ability to graduate to that, because 1:11:01.920 --> 1:11:03.880 he's still worried about wearing my feet and wearing my 1:11:03.920 --> 1:11:06.200 eyes on this play right right, and what are we 1:11:06.400 --> 1:11:09.280 doing before we even get to the defense. It's like 1:11:09.400 --> 1:11:11.680 what are we doing first? And then we get to that. 1:11:11.760 --> 1:11:14.040 Brady knew what we were doing all the time, right, 1:11:14.200 --> 1:11:16.320 like he had already mastered that piece of the equation. 1:11:16.760 --> 1:11:18.880 So it's tough. It's tough to then, you know, play 1:11:18.960 --> 1:11:20.880 the chess match and do all that stuff when you're 1:11:20.920 --> 1:11:23.800 still not confident in yourself in what you're trying to do. 1:11:24.439 --> 1:11:26.000 Before we get to the rest of the phone calls, 1:11:26.040 --> 1:11:28.639 I do want to talk about J C. Jackson before 1:11:29.240 --> 1:11:31.280 we start to lose people here in the second hour. 1:11:31.800 --> 1:11:35.679 The Patriots made a trade yesterday, obviously for J C. Jackson, 1:11:36.120 --> 1:11:39.880 and I also subscribe to a lot of the positivity 1:11:39.960 --> 1:11:42.960 that's come out about this trade on a money side 1:11:43.000 --> 1:11:46.080 of things, in a trade, you know, capital side of things, 1:11:46.320 --> 1:11:48.760 they basically gave up nothing to get him. He was 1:11:48.800 --> 1:11:51.640 gonna get cut by the Chargers. They basically gave up 1:11:51.680 --> 1:11:54.599 nothing to get him. And I think watching his film 1:11:55.640 --> 1:11:58.719 yesterday and as we're you know, when the trade officially 1:11:58.720 --> 1:12:00.320 gets announced, he was out at practice. I think it 1:12:00.360 --> 1:12:03.040 actually literally just got announced as I just did it. Yes, 1:12:03.680 --> 1:12:07.759 so the trade is official now for J C. Jackson. 1:12:08.120 --> 1:12:10.320 But I think the biggest thing is is when I 1:12:10.400 --> 1:12:12.960 watched his film against the Chargers, I thought the Chargers 1:12:13.439 --> 1:12:17.040 fundamentally misunderstood the player and a player that they were getting. 1:12:17.080 --> 1:12:19.200 And I know you'll you'll jump right on this, Alex, 1:12:19.280 --> 1:12:21.320 because you hate Brandon Stance. He's a bad coach, so 1:12:21.439 --> 1:12:23.920 this is right up your alley. I felt like the 1:12:24.040 --> 1:12:30.120 Chargers thought that they were getting this revous Gilmore lockdown 1:12:30.320 --> 1:12:33.800 corner right that when they played Miami in Week one, 1:12:34.280 --> 1:12:36.679 they could just line him up across from Tyree Killer 1:12:36.760 --> 1:12:40.720 Jalen Waddle and be like, Jac's got got number ten. 1:12:41.160 --> 1:12:44.400 You know, we're all set there. And that's never been 1:12:44.479 --> 1:12:46.640 the type of player that j C. Jackson is. 1:12:47.400 --> 1:12:47.600 J C. 1:12:47.800 --> 1:12:51.120 Jackson's a boomer bust corner. He's a ballhawk, He's you know, 1:12:51.240 --> 1:12:54.280 he's a lot you know for people that I don't 1:12:54.280 --> 1:12:56.880 know why you wouldn't have watched Jacy Jackson, but you know, 1:12:56.960 --> 1:12:59.040 it's a lot like in the conversation that we have 1:12:59.160 --> 1:13:01.280 talked about with Jack Jones, right like, that's the type 1:13:01.280 --> 1:13:03.800 of corner that he is. He's a boomer bust guy. 1:13:03.840 --> 1:13:06.280 He's a ballhawk, whatever you want to call it. And 1:13:06.400 --> 1:13:09.880 when you start to look at the film, I thought 1:13:09.920 --> 1:13:12.560 that he looks like JC and you look at the 1:13:13.400 --> 1:13:16.080 coverage stats and last year was a disaster for him. 1:13:16.200 --> 1:13:18.599 For the five games he played before the knee injury 1:13:19.240 --> 1:13:21.280 was a disaster. But he was, you know, transitioning to 1:13:21.360 --> 1:13:23.400 a new scheme, a new coast, all that kind of 1:13:23.400 --> 1:13:25.280 stuff that I was talking about with Derek Carr. I 1:13:25.360 --> 1:13:28.040 think applies here this year when you start to look 1:13:28.080 --> 1:13:31.559 at some of the coverage metrics, his metrics were starting 1:13:31.640 --> 1:13:33.920 to level back off to what he was closer to 1:13:34.000 --> 1:13:37.839 twenty twenty one. You know, similar completion rate into his coverage, 1:13:37.840 --> 1:13:41.040 similar success rate. Had an interception in Miami and then 1:13:41.040 --> 1:13:43.880 also gave up ninety nine yards, right, like, that's that's 1:13:43.960 --> 1:13:46.679 j C. Jackson, And I think the doll the Chargers, 1:13:46.760 --> 1:13:51.559 excuse me, just had this this this belief that they 1:13:51.600 --> 1:13:55.000 were getting this lockdown number one corner and in reality, 1:13:55.680 --> 1:13:59.439 the player that he was against Miami ninety nine yards, 1:14:00.040 --> 1:14:03.840 but an interception, that's all. That's who he's been. When 1:14:03.880 --> 1:14:05.920 he's elevated to that number one spot, when he was 1:14:05.960 --> 1:14:08.719 playing behind Stefan Gilmour and and you know those guys, 1:14:08.760 --> 1:14:10.160 that's a little bit different. But when he was the 1:14:10.280 --> 1:14:13.599 Patriots pseudo number one corner and what was at twenty 1:14:13.640 --> 1:14:17.560 one or twenty or twenty one, yeah, twenty one, that 1:14:17.880 --> 1:14:21.000 that was who he was. And so I think in 1:14:21.080 --> 1:14:23.439 some ways there there's Dad and you know there's a 1:14:23.520 --> 1:14:25.880 couple of the plays he gave up against Miami. Gives 1:14:25.960 --> 1:14:29.559 up a big explosive to Jalen Wattle trying to play 1:14:29.600 --> 1:14:32.840 him out of the slot, like not his game, right, 1:14:32.920 --> 1:14:35.200 Like Jan Waller runs a little quick slant on him 1:14:35.200 --> 1:14:37.920 and gets open and gains like thirty five yards. He 1:14:38.000 --> 1:14:40.320 gave up an explosive on Ti to Tyreek Hill on 1:14:40.400 --> 1:14:43.479 one of those motion routes. Everybody gives up explosives to 1:14:43.560 --> 1:14:45.760 Tyreek Kill on the motion routes. That's why they run 1:14:45.840 --> 1:14:48.640 the motion routes is because they're impossible to cover. And 1:14:48.760 --> 1:14:50.560 then he gave up the touchdown over the top to 1:14:50.640 --> 1:14:53.200 Tyreek Hill where he didn't have safety help, right, Like, 1:14:53.479 --> 1:14:55.360 how you're not putting State, You're putting him in press 1:14:55.439 --> 1:14:58.519 man with inside leverage against Tyreek Hill and he doesn't 1:14:58.520 --> 1:15:00.719 have safety help over the top, what do you expect 1:15:00.800 --> 1:15:02.840 to happen? He got burned, Like that's exactly what was 1:15:02.880 --> 1:15:05.320 going to happen. So in a lot of ways, I'm 1:15:05.400 --> 1:15:10.160 optimistic about this trade helping the Patriots because one, they 1:15:10.240 --> 1:15:13.040 just needed corners, like they just needed playable corners and 1:15:13.200 --> 1:15:16.599 running a mere speed and Sean Wade and Miles Brian 1:15:16.640 --> 1:15:18.240 out there the rest of the season was not an 1:15:18.240 --> 1:15:21.439 option and they needed to be better than that. So 1:15:21.520 --> 1:15:24.160 they get a guy that can keep them competitive on defense. 1:15:24.600 --> 1:15:26.120 They get a guy that they can turn the ball 1:15:26.240 --> 1:15:28.720 over some on defense. I had two takeaways in the 1:15:28.800 --> 1:15:31.040 first four games of the year, so maybe he gets 1:15:31.040 --> 1:15:34.200 some of those. Mister iron, T's right, and I like 1:15:34.320 --> 1:15:36.360 the player, and you know who he is. You know 1:15:36.479 --> 1:15:37.639 he's not anything special. 1:15:38.400 --> 1:15:38.599 Yeah. 1:15:38.800 --> 1:15:42.000 I wonder where he's at physically coming off that knee injury. Yeah, 1:15:42.160 --> 1:15:43.840 And I think he had even said that he wasn't 1:15:43.840 --> 1:15:44.599 completely healthy. 1:15:45.720 --> 1:15:47.559 Look, they need a corner. They didn't give up much. 1:15:47.600 --> 1:15:49.480 If they want to keep him, they can just restructure 1:15:49.520 --> 1:15:51.519 his contract and keep him down the road. So if 1:15:51.560 --> 1:15:54.200 that all makes sense, it's not a negative move. I 1:15:54.280 --> 1:15:55.559 don't know that he saves everything. 1:15:55.880 --> 1:15:58.320 I don't think that. You know, he's a one for one, 1:15:58.360 --> 1:16:00.120 So I is he gonna play as well as Hi 1:16:00.120 --> 1:16:02.200 Gonzalez was playing. I don't know. I don't know. 1:16:02.320 --> 1:16:04.720 Christian Zola was playing an incredibly high level, and when 1:16:04.760 --> 1:16:08.600 you also lose Matthew Judahan, it's a big ask for 1:16:08.720 --> 1:16:10.599 him to come in and basically have the defense pick 1:16:10.640 --> 1:16:11.400 up where they left off. 1:16:11.479 --> 1:16:11.960 So we'll see. 1:16:12.280 --> 1:16:15.040 We'll see where he's at physically. I have nothing against 1:16:15.080 --> 1:16:19.160 the move, but I don't know that it's this over 1:16:19.240 --> 1:16:22.280 the top automatic success that some people are making it 1:16:22.360 --> 1:16:25.080 out to be. It they were desperate for a corner, 1:16:25.120 --> 1:16:26.760 and they went out and got one, and it made 1:16:26.800 --> 1:16:30.080 it easier to facilitate that they knew the guy. I wonder, 1:16:30.160 --> 1:16:32.160 and there's been some reporting to kind of suggest this 1:16:32.320 --> 1:16:34.280 if he was gonna end up here one way or 1:16:34.320 --> 1:16:37.000 the other once he got cut and the injuries just 1:16:37.080 --> 1:16:39.160 kind of created a situation where they couldn't wait for 1:16:39.240 --> 1:16:41.479 him to get cut. And I said that, and people 1:16:41.560 --> 1:16:43.240 pushed back on me, like, oh, no, it's a smart 1:16:43.280 --> 1:16:44.600 move because if you got cut, he might not have 1:16:44.720 --> 1:16:46.920 come back here. I don't know how big the market 1:16:47.080 --> 1:16:48.840 was going to be for him. I also, for a 1:16:48.960 --> 1:16:50.960 number of reasons, I think he has to look at 1:16:51.040 --> 1:16:53.160 it and be like, this is the place I belong in. Oh, 1:16:53.240 --> 1:16:54.640 this is a huge win for him. Yeah you can 1:16:54.680 --> 1:16:57.760 get where I was massive win for him. Yeah, if 1:16:57.760 --> 1:16:59.920 I'm him, I'm a static, But you know what, we'll see. 1:17:00.080 --> 1:17:00.479 We'll see. 1:17:00.840 --> 1:17:03.640 I'm optimistic, but I'm caustiously optimistic. I don't know that 1:17:03.760 --> 1:17:08.080 it's I still have my serious concerns about this defense. 1:17:08.280 --> 1:17:11.679 Yeah. I'm not sitting here saying either that, like season 1:17:11.800 --> 1:17:14.280 back on because they love j C. Jackson. But I 1:17:14.400 --> 1:17:19.200 do think that their defense is now going to remain competitive, 1:17:19.439 --> 1:17:20.840 Like is it gonna be as good as it was 1:17:20.920 --> 1:17:24.080 going to be? Obviously not, but I think they'll still 1:17:24.080 --> 1:17:25.200 be competitive. 1:17:24.760 --> 1:17:27.760 On Well, this is where I'm like, because he has 1:17:27.800 --> 1:17:30.360 a bad knee, Like is he healthy? How much can 1:17:30.439 --> 1:17:33.040 you count on him to just go out there? And 1:17:34.000 --> 1:17:34.840 I wonder about that? 1:17:35.800 --> 1:17:36.240 Yeah, I don't know. 1:17:36.320 --> 1:17:38.479 I Also there's this I'm not saying this is a concern. 1:17:38.560 --> 1:17:40.599 I'm just saying it. You can take it as a positive, 1:17:40.640 --> 1:17:41.880 you can take it as a negative. This is just 1:17:41.920 --> 1:17:45.160 an observation I have. Trey Flowers looks like he's gonna 1:17:45.160 --> 1:17:46.840 be one of the guys that gets activated j C. 1:17:47.040 --> 1:17:51.479 Jackson's back. Is there a level of them, you know, Bill, 1:17:52.280 --> 1:17:56.280 where things aren't going well? Just trying to lean on familiarity. 1:17:56.000 --> 1:17:58.400 Above all else. Yeah, I think that that's definitely fair. 1:17:58.520 --> 1:18:02.920 But I don't critique him for the familiarity in season, okay, 1:18:02.920 --> 1:18:04.800 because it's really hard to get out. I don't say 1:18:04.800 --> 1:18:05.839 it's a critique. 1:18:05.880 --> 1:18:07.679 I posed a question like I was talking to somebody 1:18:07.720 --> 1:18:10.200 earlier today, right like Kyle van Noy signed with the 1:18:10.280 --> 1:18:12.160 Ravens two weeks ago because they had some injuries. Let's 1:18:12.160 --> 1:18:14.920 say that doesn't happen. Are we talking about Kyle van 1:18:15.000 --> 1:18:17.080 Noy here right now? With Matthew Judon going out? 1:18:17.200 --> 1:18:19.120 Like, I just think it's different when you talk about 1:18:19.200 --> 1:18:21.280 in season because it's so hard to get a guy 1:18:21.360 --> 1:18:22.360 up and running again. 1:18:22.400 --> 1:18:24.000 I'm not saying it is a critique. I'm just saying 1:18:24.000 --> 1:18:24.719 it is an observation. 1:18:24.960 --> 1:18:26.559 Yeah, I just think that this comes out a lot 1:18:26.680 --> 1:18:30.960 about Bill in the retreads, but it sometimes bothers me 1:18:31.040 --> 1:18:33.360 with the retreads when they do it in the off season, 1:18:33.600 --> 1:18:35.280 Like it's like, do you really need to bring back 1:18:35.360 --> 1:18:38.519 this guy in the off season when there's other guys 1:18:38.560 --> 1:18:43.040 available that might be better. But in season you're in 1:18:43.120 --> 1:18:45.040 a situation where you just need to get guys that 1:18:45.120 --> 1:18:48.000 can play for you on Sunday. And since JC Jackson 1:18:48.080 --> 1:18:51.040 knows the system and he knows the defense, if he's healthy, 1:18:51.160 --> 1:18:54.160 he's going to be active on So it's more for 1:18:54.240 --> 1:18:54.560 me with that. 1:18:54.640 --> 1:18:58.280 The concern here is you talk about how he plays. 1:18:58.840 --> 1:19:00.559 He has to be explosive. 1:19:00.640 --> 1:19:02.759 He has to be able to, you know, t step 1:19:03.120 --> 1:19:05.920 plan his foot in the ground, make cuts, make up 1:19:06.000 --> 1:19:08.400 for lost ground. Yeah, does he have that kind of 1:19:08.479 --> 1:19:10.559 pop in his lower body coming off that knee injury. 1:19:10.760 --> 1:19:13.559 It's a fair it's a fair wonder, it's a fair ass. Uh, 1:19:14.240 --> 1:19:17.040 last thing on on JC, and then we'll we'll move 1:19:17.120 --> 1:19:21.280 on j C. Jonathan Jones, and let's say Miles Brian 1:19:21.439 --> 1:19:23.400 probably in the slot you could do worse. 1:19:23.560 --> 1:19:26.000 Wasn't that the secondary and twenty twenty one basically it 1:19:26.080 --> 1:19:27.559 was right because they didn't have Steph that year they 1:19:27.640 --> 1:19:28.040 traded him. 1:19:28.120 --> 1:19:31.599 Yeah, but it's basically I think in terms of talent level, 1:19:32.080 --> 1:19:34.080 you're basically in the same spot that you were in 1:19:34.120 --> 1:19:35.080 twenty one and twenty five. 1:19:35.200 --> 1:19:37.240 So Jeff, how this I think this happened while we 1:19:37.280 --> 1:19:39.920 were on here, reported that Jack Jones is probably another, 1:19:40.120 --> 1:19:42.960 you know, two weeks away. I think if you can 1:19:43.040 --> 1:19:44.880 get about two weeks, I don't want to say that 1:19:45.080 --> 1:19:47.120 like put words in Jeff's mouth that it's definitive. But 1:19:47.680 --> 1:19:50.040 let's say, let's see, let's just say Halloween as and 1:19:50.160 --> 1:19:52.760 I think that was the number the date given when 1:19:52.800 --> 1:19:55.080 he first went on IR. Mike Reese has reported something 1:19:55.120 --> 1:19:57.840 along those lines as well. Let's say it's Halloween. If 1:19:57.920 --> 1:20:00.920 you can get to a point where your corn are 1:20:01.920 --> 1:20:04.240 Jack Jones and j C. Jackson on the boundary and 1:20:04.320 --> 1:20:06.160 you move John Jones back into the slot. And I 1:20:06.600 --> 1:20:09.200 don't know if they will or not, but like, if 1:20:09.280 --> 1:20:11.680 your top three corners are Jack Jones, John Jones and 1:20:11.760 --> 1:20:15.559 j C. Jackson, who's going in? Like are they gonna 1:20:15.560 --> 1:20:17.400 bench one of those three guys from Ales Bryant? Maybe 1:20:17.400 --> 1:20:19.560 they might bench Jack Jones from Miles Brant. But the 1:20:19.640 --> 1:20:23.439 point being, like jac Jackson, Jack Jones on the boundary, 1:20:23.520 --> 1:20:24.080 John Jones on. 1:20:24.040 --> 1:20:28.200 The slot, that's legit. It's not a legit secondary. 1:20:28.280 --> 1:20:30.640 You could do a lot worse and with and like 1:20:30.800 --> 1:20:32.840 we can get ahead because I see people in the 1:20:32.960 --> 1:20:34.880 in the chat talking about this, and I've gotten questions 1:20:34.880 --> 1:20:37.799 about this. You know, next year is it Christian Gonzalez 1:20:37.840 --> 1:20:39.400 and j C? Is the outside corners? 1:20:39.479 --> 1:20:41.880 Like that? Yeah, that could be really fun. Let's see what. 1:20:42.320 --> 1:20:44.240 Jaz Jackson looks like before we start doing that. 1:20:44.400 --> 1:20:46.560 But yeah, yeah, it could be a lot worse. And 1:20:46.720 --> 1:20:49.320 I think, especially with a coach like Belichick, Like I 1:20:49.439 --> 1:20:54.200 still give Bill the maximizing the talent on the defensive 1:20:54.200 --> 1:20:55.840 side of the ball. I still think he does that 1:20:55.920 --> 1:20:58.120 at a high level. And so I think if you 1:20:58.200 --> 1:21:02.479 look at how they'll you JC, how they'll use John Jones, 1:21:02.560 --> 1:21:05.320 Like those guys will be playing to their strengths and 1:21:05.400 --> 1:21:08.200 playing in roles that they belong in and things like that. 1:21:08.439 --> 1:21:12.320 And it's basically the secondary talent wise that they had 1:21:12.360 --> 1:21:14.320 the last two years. Like obviously we were all hoping 1:21:14.360 --> 1:21:16.439 they were gonna take that next step with Christian Gonzales 1:21:16.520 --> 1:21:21.240 being that true number one Gilmour type corner. Unfortunately gets hurt. 1:21:21.360 --> 1:21:23.760 It's a bummer, but I think you at least you know, 1:21:23.920 --> 1:21:25.680 last year they were still a pretty good defense. Like 1:21:25.720 --> 1:21:28.080 they weren't a great defense, but they were a good defense, 1:21:28.439 --> 1:21:30.040 and I think they'll be a good defense still. If 1:21:30.120 --> 1:21:32.560 JC is ready to go, all right, let's do a 1:21:32.800 --> 1:21:35.519 three up, three down real quick, and uh, we'll get 1:21:35.560 --> 1:21:37.559 into this and then we'll take some of these calls 1:21:38.000 --> 1:21:42.640 and we'll rap with some more on the Saints. So 1:21:42.720 --> 1:21:45.280 I did a little differently this week because of obvious 1:21:45.400 --> 1:21:47.920 reasons the result of the game. Yeah, and I have 1:21:48.120 --> 1:21:51.320 two up in three and four down, so I took 1:21:51.560 --> 1:21:55.120 I only did two. Let's start with the positives though. Okay, Uh, 1:21:55.880 --> 1:21:57.599 best player in the game for the Patriots I thought 1:21:57.640 --> 1:22:00.519 was Detrick Wise. Okay, Dietrich Wise really good this game. 1:22:00.880 --> 1:22:04.720 Five pressure sack, another TfL on the run game. I 1:22:04.760 --> 1:22:08.080 thought he was disruptive. I thought he read blocks extremely well. 1:22:08.240 --> 1:22:10.200 I thought he worked well on the on the games 1:22:10.280 --> 1:22:13.640 or the stunts up front. I think Dietrich Wise, you know, 1:22:13.760 --> 1:22:17.160 he's not Matthew Junoni. He's not a game wrecker. He's 1:22:17.240 --> 1:22:20.439 not a Tuesday player, as we like to call him. 1:22:20.560 --> 1:22:23.800 But he's a guy that I think teams know of 1:22:23.960 --> 1:22:25.280 and is starting to get a little bit of a 1:22:25.360 --> 1:22:27.960 positive reputation around the league in terms of being someone 1:22:28.000 --> 1:22:30.840 you gotta worry about. He's a really well rounded player 1:22:30.880 --> 1:22:32.960 all of a sudden, you know, I think he's one 1:22:33.000 --> 1:22:35.080 of those rare guys that comes in and in like 1:22:35.240 --> 1:22:38.240 year six or year seven of his NFL career kind 1:22:38.280 --> 1:22:40.960 of takes that next step to being extremely well rounded. 1:22:41.000 --> 1:22:43.200 And he's much more violent with his hands in the 1:22:43.280 --> 1:22:46.320 run game and getting off blocks, and his block anticipation 1:22:46.439 --> 1:22:50.120 has really improved, and his leveraging has really improved. I've 1:22:50.120 --> 1:22:52.240 been impressed with him all year, but I thought this 1:22:52.400 --> 1:22:55.240 game he was particularly really well, really good. Excuse me, yeah, 1:22:55.280 --> 1:22:55.479 I'll go. 1:22:55.600 --> 1:22:58.200 I'll go with Hunter Henry. I know he didn't love 1:22:58.280 --> 1:23:00.920 his game, his blocking, but he keeps making catches. 1:23:00.720 --> 1:23:04.439 And he's the only guy that makes good like one 1:23:04.520 --> 1:23:06.880 handed little bit like I'll say that catches, I guess 1:23:06.880 --> 1:23:07.400 is the way to say. 1:23:07.479 --> 1:23:09.680 We kind of talked about the compete level in that game, right, 1:23:10.120 --> 1:23:12.560 Hunter Henry showed up and in a game like that, 1:23:13.840 --> 1:23:16.000 guy showing up to me gets him on the uplist. 1:23:17.600 --> 1:23:20.000 You're entering this really interesting spot with Hunter Henry because 1:23:20.040 --> 1:23:22.000 if they again I said the thing before, I don't 1:23:22.000 --> 1:23:23.559 believe they're gonna fall on tank, but if they end 1:23:23.640 --> 1:23:25.920 up on a spot where they're sellers at the deadline, 1:23:25.920 --> 1:23:27.439 which I don't think they will be, but let's say 1:23:27.439 --> 1:23:29.439 they get there, Yeah, you're gonna be able to get 1:23:29.479 --> 1:23:31.760 something for Hunter Henry. Yeah, because he keeps making plays. 1:23:31.800 --> 1:23:34.160 And honestly, the Cowboys are a team I look at 1:23:34.200 --> 1:23:36.400 they're like, can you get a third round pick, maybe 1:23:36.439 --> 1:23:38.280 second round pick with a pick slot for Hunter Henry? 1:23:39.200 --> 1:23:41.280 Yeah? And and I know you hate to hear this 1:23:41.439 --> 1:23:44.120 because you know he's one of one of your guys. Yeah, 1:23:44.280 --> 1:23:48.000 Kendrick Porn, Kendrick Porn, Yeah, Kendrick Poorn too, But I 1:23:48.439 --> 1:23:50.560 Kendrick Porne to me is gonna be the guy that 1:23:50.960 --> 1:23:54.479 if they're truly out of it at the deadline, you know, yeah, 1:23:54.560 --> 1:23:57.160 three and eight or something, whatever the deadline is in 1:23:57.280 --> 1:23:58.040 terms of records. 1:23:58.040 --> 1:24:01.000 Well, look, his one, his contracts up at the end 1:24:01.040 --> 1:24:02.720 of the year. He's not coming back. I would love 1:24:02.720 --> 1:24:04.080 to see him go somewhere and win. You know how 1:24:04.120 --> 1:24:06.280 I feel about Kendrick Bourne if gets it. You know, 1:24:06.880 --> 1:24:08.439 I've come to terms with the fact that he won't 1:24:08.439 --> 1:24:10.160 be a Patriot next year when we're the other right, 1:24:10.360 --> 1:24:13.000 But Hunter Henry and Cowboys need a tight end. And 1:24:13.280 --> 1:24:15.120 again I think you get something for him. You want 1:24:15.160 --> 1:24:18.640 me to give my second up, yep. Miles Bryant, all right, 1:24:18.680 --> 1:24:20.080 you're gonna a lot of people are gonna roll their 1:24:20.080 --> 1:24:22.000 eyes on this. And by the way, I see people 1:24:22.040 --> 1:24:23.840 saying in the chat getting annoyed at me for saying 1:24:23.880 --> 1:24:26.600 Bill Belichick might bench Jack Jones from Miles Bryant. He 1:24:26.720 --> 1:24:31.439 did that last year. So there's history of that. That 1:24:31.760 --> 1:24:37.400 that the CD Lamb touchdown. That's just such a bad Again, 1:24:37.600 --> 1:24:39.160 it's not like there's a ton of ops to choose 1:24:39.160 --> 1:24:42.519 from in this game, right Evan, And it's a bad 1:24:42.640 --> 1:24:45.080 spot for him. It's just a bad He shouldn't be 1:24:45.200 --> 1:24:47.679 out there. This goes to my whole point about Miles Bryant. 1:24:48.000 --> 1:24:51.120 Miles Bryant's a solid rotational football player if you use 1:24:51.200 --> 1:24:54.280 him correctly, having him one on one, ceedee Lamb on 1:24:54.320 --> 1:24:54.920 the outside. 1:24:55.760 --> 1:24:55.920 Right. 1:24:56.320 --> 1:24:59.000 I look at the two fumblesy forced, and he made 1:24:59.040 --> 1:25:01.240 some competitive tackles stepping up the line of screwmage. 1:25:01.320 --> 1:25:02.080 She continues to do. 1:25:03.960 --> 1:25:06.040 There's sort of slim pickings. You only picked two ups. 1:25:06.720 --> 1:25:08.920 I'm not gonna get on you. I'm not yelling at so. 1:25:09.800 --> 1:25:11.759 He yelled at me a little bit for it yesterday. 1:25:11.920 --> 1:25:15.200 But it's slim pickings. There were some isolated players, and 1:25:15.320 --> 1:25:16.599 I was like, all right again, it's that thing. 1:25:16.680 --> 1:25:17.240 He showed up. 1:25:17.280 --> 1:25:19.280 I thought, at the very least, Miles Bryant showed up 1:25:19.560 --> 1:25:21.160 in a game like that. There aren't that many guys 1:25:21.200 --> 1:25:21.920 you can say that about. 1:25:22.520 --> 1:25:24.360 All Right, my second up, and then we're gonna go. 1:25:24.479 --> 1:25:26.639 Do you have three? I I do have three. Okay, 1:25:26.840 --> 1:25:29.640 you're you're nicer than me. Okay, well one of them 1:25:29.720 --> 1:25:33.400 is it's literally just one place. Second was good in 1:25:33.479 --> 1:25:36.800 this game. Uh made four stops against the run, three 1:25:36.840 --> 1:25:40.960 pressures and on the quarterback. I I understand that there's 1:25:41.040 --> 1:25:45.240 like a bigger philosophical problem with Jelani Tevai in terms 1:25:45.280 --> 1:25:47.880 of like Bill likes that type of guy because he 1:25:48.000 --> 1:25:51.080 just does his job. It's like it's the usage thing. Yeah, 1:25:51.240 --> 1:25:54.080 I get that, But I actually think that Jelanie Deviz 1:25:54.240 --> 1:25:57.479 turned into a pretty solid player for them, and I 1:25:57.560 --> 1:25:59.519 think that he's gonna play a lot now that Judon's 1:25:59.560 --> 1:26:02.679 not here. So just just prepare yourself for the fact 1:26:02.720 --> 1:26:04.200 that forty eight is going to be out there a 1:26:04.280 --> 1:26:06.960 ton on this defense. I'm not saying that he should 1:26:07.040 --> 1:26:09.559 be over Keon White, don't get on me, but I'm 1:26:09.640 --> 1:26:12.160 just telling you that in this game, this was probably 1:26:12.200 --> 1:26:14.559 one of the better games I saw Jelye Tevi play. 1:26:15.160 --> 1:26:18.439 He was really he was disruptive in this game, beat 1:26:18.520 --> 1:26:21.759 a couple really really well done in terms of shedding 1:26:21.800 --> 1:26:24.240 blocks in the run game. In this game, deflected a 1:26:24.320 --> 1:26:26.679 pass that he almost picked off at the line of scrimmage, 1:26:27.240 --> 1:26:29.599 got the sack on the goal line where he was unblocked, 1:26:29.640 --> 1:26:33.000 but he made the play. So I was impressed by 1:26:33.080 --> 1:26:35.920 Tavai in this game, and he was already playing a 1:26:36.000 --> 1:26:39.439 lot before Judon got hurt. He had a sixty six 1:26:39.560 --> 1:26:41.920 percent snap usage. I think in the first four games 1:26:41.960 --> 1:26:44.240 of the season, so he has his own role. Like 1:26:44.320 --> 1:26:47.600 this isn't like Julyn Devia is replacing Matthew Judon and 1:26:47.680 --> 1:26:50.679 he wasn't playing before. This just means that Julya DEVIAI 1:26:50.840 --> 1:26:52.519 is going to play a little bit more on the edge. 1:26:52.680 --> 1:26:55.320 I would say the defense versus off the ball. But 1:26:55.439 --> 1:26:56.800 I thought he was really good in this game. So 1:26:56.880 --> 1:26:58.360 that those are my two. I gave him both on 1:26:58.439 --> 1:27:01.280 the defense because the offense is deserved anything. I don't 1:27:01.280 --> 1:27:03.240 know why, Jeannie to Van Dietrich quiet, I don't know. 1:27:03.360 --> 1:27:06.000 I didn't pick any any defensive ones because it's just. 1:27:06.560 --> 1:27:09.000 The whole recap of the game. I'm just focused on 1:27:09.080 --> 1:27:12.000 the offense and what happened. My third one was to 1:27:12.080 --> 1:27:14.759 Mario Douglas. I, yeah, he wasn't good on the punt returns, 1:27:14.760 --> 1:27:17.600 but that that move was awesome up the sideline, that 1:27:17.880 --> 1:27:19.160 kind of cut and spin. 1:27:19.439 --> 1:27:22.080 Two dynamic for the Patriots. Yeah, for that move, he's 1:27:22.080 --> 1:27:23.120 on the lip he does. 1:27:23.160 --> 1:27:24.679 I think you were actually the one who tweeted about 1:27:24.720 --> 1:27:26.479 him on the punt returns, and he needs to do 1:27:26.520 --> 1:27:28.320 a better job getting up field. So credit to you 1:27:28.400 --> 1:27:29.599 for talking about special teams. 1:27:29.640 --> 1:27:30.120 You're welcome. 1:27:31.280 --> 1:27:33.639 Yeah, and you were spot on. Can't be moving laterally, 1:27:33.640 --> 1:27:34.799 you gotta just start getting. 1:27:34.640 --> 1:27:37.000 Up the field. But it's something that Troy Brown has 1:27:37.000 --> 1:27:38.840 always said to us when we talked to him, is 1:27:38.920 --> 1:27:41.040 like the key of being a good punt returner is 1:27:41.040 --> 1:27:43.040 getting vertical on. You gotta be aggressive. You got to 1:27:43.080 --> 1:27:46.280 take it to him. Yeah. I would just say with Douglas, 1:27:46.800 --> 1:27:49.599 we mentioned head on the Saints a couple of times. 1:27:50.120 --> 1:27:52.519 He's he's a little bit bigger than Douglas is. He's 1:27:52.560 --> 1:27:55.559 like six feet onet eighty. Obviously Douglas is not that tall, 1:27:56.120 --> 1:27:58.439 but there that's the type of player if she has 1:27:58.439 --> 1:28:00.400 a big game on Sunday for New Orleans, Like, that's 1:28:00.439 --> 1:28:04.120 what you, as a Patriots fan hope that Pop Douglas 1:28:04.240 --> 1:28:06.720 is going to become like he's one of those just jitterbug, 1:28:06.840 --> 1:28:11.599 game breaking, bursty guys. All right, let's get let's get 1:28:11.640 --> 1:28:14.280 to the DUTs. Yeah, this is uh, this is gonna 1:28:14.280 --> 1:28:16.920 be fun. All right, So we have four duds for me. Okay, four, 1:28:17.000 --> 1:28:19.120 I'm gonna guess we have a lot of overlap. Number 1:28:19.120 --> 1:28:21.280 one is Mac Jones. I mean Mac Jones gotta be 1:28:21.400 --> 1:28:24.200 number one. I mentioned a lot about it already, So 1:28:24.200 --> 1:28:26.120 I'm not gonna like continue to beat the dead horse 1:28:26.160 --> 1:28:28.519 about the footwork and the decision making. All of it 1:28:28.720 --> 1:28:31.840 was bad. Second quarter, all of it was bad. I 1:28:31.920 --> 1:28:34.519 think the biggest thing with Mac in terms of getting 1:28:34.560 --> 1:28:37.200 him back on track, Uh, they need to get him 1:28:37.320 --> 1:28:41.080 back to obviously playing within himself and playing within the 1:28:41.160 --> 1:28:44.000 system and then and then taking some of the layups. 1:28:44.040 --> 1:28:46.200 Like so the things that irked me the most about 1:28:46.200 --> 1:28:49.080 this game from Mac was like some of the crossers 1:28:49.120 --> 1:28:52.680 to Devonte Parker that he missed, Like just these shallows, right, 1:28:52.760 --> 1:28:55.040 these shallow crossers over the middle of the field, and 1:28:55.080 --> 1:28:56.760 it's like throw it, throw it, throw it, throw it, 1:28:56.880 --> 1:28:59.080 throw it, sack or throw it, throw it, throw it, 1:28:59.160 --> 1:29:02.519 throw it late almost intercepted, right, Like those are the 1:29:02.600 --> 1:29:05.040 types of throws that like he's got to make. You 1:29:05.080 --> 1:29:06.600 know a lot of people have been talking about the 1:29:06.680 --> 1:29:10.160 Kasiki one in the end zone. Devonte Parker is the 1:29:10.240 --> 1:29:13.160 read on that play. Devonte Parker is wide open, like 1:29:13.360 --> 1:29:15.559 five yards in front over the ball, you know, running 1:29:15.600 --> 1:29:18.519 a little shallow drag over the ball in Mac Jones. 1:29:18.680 --> 1:29:20.519 All Mac Jones got to do is put it on 1:29:20.680 --> 1:29:22.439 him and he's just gonna turn off field and walk 1:29:22.479 --> 1:29:25.920 into the end zone right, and he doesn't completely skips 1:29:25.960 --> 1:29:28.720 the read, just doesn't see it, just completely ignores it. 1:29:29.479 --> 1:29:31.599 They he's got to do much better job of seeing 1:29:31.640 --> 1:29:35.040 the fields, like all the footwork stuff, the decision making stuff. 1:29:35.520 --> 1:29:37.920 I'm willing to bet that it will be better than 1:29:37.960 --> 1:29:42.360 that on Sunday with the Saints. But the reads and 1:29:42.439 --> 1:29:45.240 seeing the field and stuff that's not Mac like Mac 1:29:45.360 --> 1:29:47.720 usually sees the field pretty well. It was disaster. It 1:29:47.840 --> 1:29:49.880 was bad. Yeah, he wasn't good. He was bad. He 1:29:49.960 --> 1:29:51.200 was bad in this game. He was bad. 1:29:51.280 --> 1:29:53.360 And there was no oh, well, you know this part 1:29:53.400 --> 1:29:54.720 of his game was fine, or that part of his 1:29:54.800 --> 1:29:55.320 game was fine. 1:29:55.360 --> 1:29:56.280 The complete thing. 1:29:56.600 --> 1:29:58.680 After the first drive, the complete thing fell apart. So 1:29:58.720 --> 1:30:00.679 I had him as my number one down, all. 1:30:00.640 --> 1:30:04.519 Right, number two down. And this is a speaks to 1:30:04.720 --> 1:30:07.000 what we're talking about the offensive line beginning of the show. 1:30:07.520 --> 1:30:10.240 Vaderian low like Vadarian Lowe is not an NFL tackle. 1:30:10.360 --> 1:30:14.479 I'm sorry. He started three games this year. He has 1:30:14.600 --> 1:30:18.320 given up twenty two pressures? Is it that many? In 1:30:18.400 --> 1:30:23.040 three games? He's given up seventeen over the last two games, seventeen. 1:30:23.160 --> 1:30:25.880 It's a lot at right tackle. Eight last week nine 1:30:26.000 --> 1:30:29.439 this week, it's no contest, right like, especially if you're 1:30:29.439 --> 1:30:31.839 going up against a good edge rusher like Micah Parsons. 1:30:32.280 --> 1:30:35.759 I'll give a Darian Low this. He gets his hands 1:30:35.800 --> 1:30:38.840 on you, initially, he just can't stay with it, right like, 1:30:38.960 --> 1:30:41.360 once he okay, I'll get my punch, I'll get my 1:30:41.439 --> 1:30:43.639 hands on you. But as soon as you start running 1:30:43.640 --> 1:30:46.280 the arc, I'm like, you're you're past me, right and 1:30:46.439 --> 1:30:50.639 that it just it's not it's not sustainable, it's not playable. 1:30:51.400 --> 1:30:53.880 They gotta do something at right tackle, like it's it's 1:30:54.120 --> 1:30:56.800 it's Vaderian. Low's not the answer. They got to do 1:30:56.920 --> 1:31:01.840 something at right tackle. Whether it's Riley Reeve win City, 1:31:02.000 --> 1:31:05.120 so even like getting an opportunity out there, I don't know, 1:31:05.320 --> 1:31:08.960 but like they have to look elsewhere right tackle. He 1:31:09.040 --> 1:31:09.839 has been a disaster. 1:31:10.680 --> 1:31:13.400 So I just had the entire offensive line. Yeah, and 1:31:13.920 --> 1:31:17.720 it's yeah, so is probably the worst Low Low is 1:31:17.720 --> 1:31:20.479 probably worst of all them. But they in the run 1:31:20.560 --> 1:31:22.479 game in the past game, it didn't matter. They couldn't 1:31:22.479 --> 1:31:24.880 get a freaking push. And I know that Dallas front 1:31:25.040 --> 1:31:29.479 is good, but I mean, was there one snap where 1:31:29.520 --> 1:31:32.360 they won off the ball. They're few and far between, 1:31:32.400 --> 1:31:34.760 if any. And again, the inability to move the ball 1:31:34.800 --> 1:31:38.040 in short yard situations, things like that has to be better, 1:31:38.280 --> 1:31:41.640 has to be better the entire group. We've picked on 1:31:41.720 --> 1:31:44.120 their offensive line a lot this year. I think that 1:31:44.280 --> 1:31:46.960 wasn't well. I was gonna say, like, it's not that 1:31:47.040 --> 1:31:49.200 they've played a bunch of great games. I think that 1:31:49.360 --> 1:31:50.240 was their worst game of the year. 1:31:50.280 --> 1:31:51.200 And I don't think it was close. 1:31:51.360 --> 1:31:54.200 Yeah, the right side, especially my set, and it's it's 1:31:54.280 --> 1:31:56.240 not sorry, And it's not even like you can say, oh, 1:31:56.360 --> 1:31:58.240 you know, they played a good front in Dallas, so 1:31:58.280 --> 1:32:00.400 of course it was their worst game. They played Philly 1:32:00.880 --> 1:32:03.960 in Miami. In the Jets, they've played four good fronts. 1:32:05.000 --> 1:32:05.559 Dallas might. 1:32:05.920 --> 1:32:07.760 Dallas might be the worst front day faced. It's not 1:32:07.800 --> 1:32:11.120 in the top half because Philly's better and the Jets 1:32:11.160 --> 1:32:13.280 are better. Yeah, them in Miami can nit pick that. 1:32:13.439 --> 1:32:16.280 But this was, pound for pound, one of their easier 1:32:16.320 --> 1:32:18.240 games of the year, and it was their worst performance 1:32:18.240 --> 1:32:18.559 of the year. 1:32:18.680 --> 1:32:20.880 So I had Mike on win Who as as my 1:32:20.960 --> 1:32:22.760 second down or third down. I guess I had so 1:32:22.880 --> 1:32:24.960 many of them Mike on win Who in this game. 1:32:25.960 --> 1:32:29.840 First of all, the penalties obviously are killer yea, three penalties. 1:32:29.880 --> 1:32:32.240 Any offensive lineman gets called for three penalties, you're going 1:32:32.280 --> 1:32:34.240 to be on the down list. But I also just 1:32:34.360 --> 1:32:36.720 think that he doesn't look right coming off the ball. 1:32:37.120 --> 1:32:39.160 You know Mike on Wen who is a people moving 1:32:39.200 --> 1:32:42.120 guard and he come usually comes off the ball with aggression, 1:32:42.600 --> 1:32:45.519 with a mentality. I just haven't really seen that at 1:32:45.520 --> 1:32:48.759 all from him. I thought he was okay in pass 1:32:48.800 --> 1:32:50.920 pro for the most part, but in the run game, 1:32:51.000 --> 1:32:53.080 they need him to be a much bigger impact, Like 1:32:53.160 --> 1:32:55.880 he needs to be an impact blocker for them in 1:32:55.960 --> 1:32:58.600 the run game, and he just really hasn't been consistently. 1:32:59.120 --> 1:33:01.800 I don't know if it's the ankle. I don't know 1:33:02.479 --> 1:33:04.360 if it's the lack of training camp and this is 1:33:04.400 --> 1:33:06.760 basically his training camp and he's trying to ramp it 1:33:06.880 --> 1:33:10.880 up in season or whatever. But going into the year 1:33:11.160 --> 1:33:13.640 like that, that's your guy, right, Like, that's the guy 1:33:13.720 --> 1:33:16.000 that you can you're saying is your best offensive lineman. 1:33:16.040 --> 1:33:17.720 He has not played like that and he needs to 1:33:17.760 --> 1:33:18.160 play better. 1:33:18.960 --> 1:33:23.720 Think do you think there's any element of there's too 1:33:23.800 --> 1:33:25.640 much on his plate because of what's happening at right 1:33:25.720 --> 1:33:28.240 tackle and maybe he's starting to push it in overcompensate a. 1:33:28.240 --> 1:33:30.559 Little bit, and that's I think an even bigger reason 1:33:30.600 --> 1:33:32.519 why they need to move on from Vederian Low and 1:33:32.960 --> 1:33:35.040 try some other people there. You know, it was put 1:33:35.080 --> 1:33:38.120 out today by I think Jordan Schultz had the report 1:33:38.160 --> 1:33:41.200 about Layol Collins being he's healthy and clear to physical 1:33:41.680 --> 1:33:45.200 independent physical. Obviously it's from the ACL and the MCL. 1:33:45.320 --> 1:33:47.880 Like the fact that Leon Collins is not online one 1:33:48.000 --> 1:33:51.960 right now is shocking to me. I'm okay with that. 1:33:52.240 --> 1:33:54.120 I don't think Leo Collins is the ultimate fix. 1:33:54.160 --> 1:33:57.280 Everybody thinks he's thirty years old. He just shredded his knees. 1:33:57.320 --> 1:33:59.400 He's got to be better than this. He's got to 1:33:59.439 --> 1:33:59.760 be better. 1:34:00.160 --> 1:34:02.880 I'm not saying he's not worth a flyer, but it 1:34:02.880 --> 1:34:04.880 wouldn't surprise me if in three weeks we're saying, all right, 1:34:04.920 --> 1:34:06.360 they tried Layo Collins, he didn't work. 1:34:06.400 --> 1:34:08.519 Now what he's got to be better when they have, 1:34:08.680 --> 1:34:10.479 and maybe even Riley Reef is better than what they have. 1:34:10.640 --> 1:34:12.880 So Riley, I think they're gonna try Riley ree first 1:34:12.920 --> 1:34:14.000 before Collins. 1:34:14.040 --> 1:34:17.040 That's fair, all right? What do you got how many 1:34:17.080 --> 1:34:18.600 interre we We're three, all right? 1:34:18.640 --> 1:34:20.599 So I had mac Jones I said, the offensive line, okay, 1:34:21.080 --> 1:34:25.040 the offensive coaching staff. That team was not ready schematically, 1:34:25.520 --> 1:34:29.280 that team was not ready emotionally. H the in game 1:34:29.360 --> 1:34:32.240 decisions I already kind of went on about that about 1:34:32.320 --> 1:34:35.240 the short yarded situation in the first half were bad. 1:34:36.680 --> 1:34:39.320 It was it was just all bad. It was all bad. 1:34:39.479 --> 1:34:41.920 It was a team that did not look prepared from 1:34:41.920 --> 1:34:45.160 a coaching point of view, and you got to look 1:34:45.160 --> 1:34:47.080 at the coaches and say, what exactly was the plan 1:34:47.200 --> 1:34:51.720 this week? I had Bill Bellich and so sorry, I 1:34:51.760 --> 1:34:54.640 wanted to add one more thing to that. Again, I 1:34:55.120 --> 1:34:57.560 think they should have run the ball traditionally more and 1:34:57.600 --> 1:34:59.479 I think we both agree on that. And then there 1:34:59.560 --> 1:35:03.120 was that court Sunday morning from Ian rapport that Zeke 1:35:03.240 --> 1:35:04.880 was going to get starter type reps and all that. 1:35:06.000 --> 1:35:09.080 He touched the ball nine times and most of those 1:35:09.120 --> 1:35:13.800 are when the game was out of reach. Again, third 1:35:13.840 --> 1:35:18.080 and one in the red zone. This is Zeke's game, 1:35:18.120 --> 1:35:20.320 it's his homecoming. You don't think he's a little extra 1:35:20.680 --> 1:35:23.479 jacked up. You can't give them the ball on an 1:35:23.640 --> 1:35:27.400 HB dive like what they should have come in. The 1:35:27.640 --> 1:35:32.439 Cardinals ran. The Cardinals ran for two hundred and twenty 1:35:32.520 --> 1:35:35.800 two yards on the Cowboys a week before, and there 1:35:35.920 --> 1:35:38.599 was zero interest in getting under center and just plowing 1:35:38.600 --> 1:35:42.760 ahead with the football. Why why why? And I know 1:35:42.920 --> 1:35:46.439 you you kind of explained before. You can't traditionally run 1:35:46.520 --> 1:35:49.320 on the Boys because they do this, you know what, 1:35:49.520 --> 1:35:51.400 I think at a cert as much as we like 1:35:51.439 --> 1:35:54.080 to talk about the breakdown between the two teams, I 1:35:54.160 --> 1:35:56.920 think there is something to be said, you know, not 1:35:57.040 --> 1:35:58.639 for the entire game, but there's something to be said 1:35:58.640 --> 1:36:00.880 for you know what, for get what they do. 1:36:01.640 --> 1:36:04.040 We do this, well, so we're going to try to 1:36:04.200 --> 1:36:05.920 do it. But the problem is in the run game 1:36:06.000 --> 1:36:08.200 right now is what do they do well? Well, they 1:36:08.240 --> 1:36:10.320 don't pass the ball? Well, no, But I'm not talking 1:36:10.320 --> 1:36:12.040 about the offense as a hole because there are things 1:36:12.080 --> 1:36:14.720 in the passing game that I could point to and say, 1:36:15.120 --> 1:36:18.599 you know, these couple of O'Brien's staple contracts. They would say, well, 1:36:18.680 --> 1:36:21.160 the player, I would say, ran, Well, they can't. 1:36:22.280 --> 1:36:24.439 You can't be so afraid of it to the fact 1:36:24.479 --> 1:36:27.640 that you don't even try it, Okay, and maybe it 1:36:27.760 --> 1:36:28.320 doesn't work. 1:36:28.439 --> 1:36:30.320 And you brought this up in the beginning of the show. Yeah, 1:36:30.360 --> 1:36:32.040 and we only have twenty minutes left. So this is 1:36:32.040 --> 1:36:36.400 probably a much bigger topic to unpack. But I had 1:36:36.479 --> 1:36:39.720 somebody reach out to me that I don't want to 1:36:39.720 --> 1:36:41.000 I don't know if he wants this out there, so 1:36:41.040 --> 1:36:42.519 I'm not going to use his name. It's not anybody 1:36:42.600 --> 1:36:44.800 like in the organization of Alabama. It's just somebody that 1:36:44.880 --> 1:36:48.800 covers Alabama football. And he kind of said, like, this 1:36:49.000 --> 1:36:51.240 is what you see, Like this is what I was 1:36:51.280 --> 1:36:54.120 trying to tell you as somebody who watched Alabama football 1:36:54.160 --> 1:36:56.080 last year. He doesn't run the ball, you know, he 1:36:56.200 --> 1:37:00.479 doesn't traditionally run the football. And I said that I 1:37:00.640 --> 1:37:03.160 thought that he would up here when they hired Bill O'Brien. 1:37:03.560 --> 1:37:05.639 I thought that he would because Bill would make him 1:37:05.720 --> 1:37:08.280 like Big Bill, not Bill O'Brien, like Bill Belichick would 1:37:08.320 --> 1:37:11.760 make him. And uh, and that hasn't necessarily been the case, 1:37:12.040 --> 1:37:14.600 you know. They they've they kind of use like the 1:37:15.360 --> 1:37:17.639 bad starts as an excuse, like, all we were playing 1:37:17.680 --> 1:37:19.439 from behind and we had to throw our way back in. 1:37:19.840 --> 1:37:21.920 You get down by two touchdowns, you don't just completely 1:37:21.960 --> 1:37:25.519 abandon Also, but also this game, even if you want, 1:37:25.600 --> 1:37:27.559 even if that is their philosophy that if we're down 1:37:27.600 --> 1:37:30.519 two scores, we're not gonna We're not gonna run the ball, 1:37:30.560 --> 1:37:33.960 even if that is their philosophy, it is I forget 1:37:34.080 --> 1:37:35.920 was it three nothing or nothing nothing on that third 1:37:35.960 --> 1:37:38.080 and one? I think it was three nothing, three nothing, 1:37:38.400 --> 1:37:41.000 three nothing, So Cowboys already kick a field goal. It's 1:37:41.040 --> 1:37:42.639 three nothing. Yeah. 1:37:42.880 --> 1:37:45.040 You should not be abandoning the rundown three nothing in 1:37:45.040 --> 1:37:47.640 the fourth quarter. You should not a half to ten 1:37:47.680 --> 1:37:50.600 to three yeah, in the second quarter. That is not 1:37:50.760 --> 1:37:53.960 a spot where you're giving up on the run game. 1:37:54.720 --> 1:37:57.280 This was not oh we were too far behind so 1:37:57.400 --> 1:37:58.400 we couldn't run the ball. 1:37:58.760 --> 1:38:02.760 That's not what this was. It's fair. And do you 1:38:02.800 --> 1:38:03.200 want to do. 1:38:03.560 --> 1:38:05.240 Saints key matchups or we're not gonna have time. I 1:38:05.280 --> 1:38:08.040 think we're gonna have time, okay, because there's a number 1:38:08.120 --> 1:38:09.840 moving forwards that I want to bring up in relation 1:38:09.920 --> 1:38:11.519 to this. We can do what we talked about this, okay, 1:38:11.600 --> 1:38:14.639 So really quickly, I had Bill Belichick on my down list, 1:38:14.760 --> 1:38:16.719 So I think it's along the same lines. I agree 1:38:16.720 --> 1:38:19.080 with you wholeheardly about some of the play calling. Offensively, 1:38:19.479 --> 1:38:21.760 one last thing about the play calling. They only called 1:38:21.800 --> 1:38:27.160 two screens two screen passes the entire game against the 1:38:27.240 --> 1:38:29.600 front that was eating their offensive line alive, Like you 1:38:29.680 --> 1:38:32.320 would think that trying to you know, get invite Parsons 1:38:32.360 --> 1:38:34.680 and those guys to come up front and you'll come 1:38:34.760 --> 1:38:37.200 downhill and then maybe just pop a screen over their 1:38:37.240 --> 1:38:40.000 heads to Mandre or Zeke would have worked like maybe once, 1:38:40.400 --> 1:38:41.960 Like I'm not saying it's gonna work a ton, but 1:38:42.160 --> 1:38:44.840 like maybe you hit one play like they did against Philadelphia, 1:38:44.960 --> 1:38:47.640 right like they hit that one screen. So I was 1:38:47.920 --> 1:38:50.000 shocked about the lack of screen passes in this game. 1:38:50.920 --> 1:38:52.040 Just really quickly on Bill. 1:38:53.280 --> 1:38:56.160 This to me is is a running theme with Bill 1:38:56.240 --> 1:38:59.519 that is getting me maybe even as as much concerned 1:38:59.520 --> 1:39:02.920 about it as the the personnel stuff that we talk 1:39:02.960 --> 1:39:06.880 about with Build a GM yep, build a game planner, 1:39:07.280 --> 1:39:10.160 and build the game coach like the week coach the 1:39:10.240 --> 1:39:11.840 game coach. And when it say week I mean like 1:39:11.880 --> 1:39:14.920 the week of the game. Are we sure that he's 1:39:14.920 --> 1:39:17.960 still got the fastball on that too? Are we sure? 1:39:18.200 --> 1:39:20.720 I tried telling you this after week one because week 1:39:20.840 --> 1:39:23.160 run I thought he coached. They coached well against Philly, 1:39:24.360 --> 1:39:27.080 especially defensively, they were they were really buttoned up on 1:39:27.160 --> 1:39:29.880 all the quarterback run stuff, the r R PO game, 1:39:30.040 --> 1:39:32.680 like all they had that buttoned up. But at the 1:39:32.680 --> 1:39:34.920 same time, they had all off season to plan that that. 1:39:35.040 --> 1:39:37.160 Game plan and the end game coaching in that game 1:39:37.240 --> 1:39:39.639 was not good, right, But the game planning, Like, that's 1:39:39.680 --> 1:39:41.560 what I'm more concerned about, because that's real, right, Like, 1:39:41.640 --> 1:39:44.240 that's you, that's the chess master behind the scenes. 1:39:44.320 --> 1:39:46.719 Is the game planning stuff. That's what we were. Best 1:39:46.760 --> 1:39:51.040 game planner nobody you'd rather have. He has now gotten 1:39:51.080 --> 1:39:54.640 out coached in two of the last three weeks. He 1:39:54.720 --> 1:39:58.960 got out coached by Mike McDaniel. Mike McDaniel really out 1:39:59.040 --> 1:40:02.280 coached him in that game, and then he got really 1:40:02.360 --> 1:40:05.120 out coached by Mike McCarthy and Dan Quinn on Sunday, 1:40:05.160 --> 1:40:08.840 but especially McCarthy. Yeah, you know, McCarthy came out and 1:40:09.560 --> 1:40:11.280 I don't think that they were ready for Dak to 1:40:11.320 --> 1:40:14.240 sling it like that. You know, Dak and the gun, 1:40:15.240 --> 1:40:18.960 three eleven personnel, three wide receivers, spread the field, where's 1:40:19.000 --> 1:40:21.360 twenty six, where's twenty seven on the defense, like that 1:40:21.439 --> 1:40:24.800 we're attacking these guys. I think they thought that like 1:40:24.920 --> 1:40:27.240 I thought, and I hand up like I thought the 1:40:27.280 --> 1:40:29.720 same thing. I thought that the Cowboys are going to 1:40:29.800 --> 1:40:31.599 put the ball under center. They were going to run 1:40:31.640 --> 1:40:33.479 the football like they always do. I thought that too. 1:40:33.600 --> 1:40:36.400 They didn't. They came out throwing eighteen passes in the 1:40:36.439 --> 1:40:39.120 first four drives of this game from Dallas. They went 1:40:39.200 --> 1:40:41.439 right down the field on the opening drive on six passes, 1:40:41.640 --> 1:40:44.160 right like, just Dak and the gun spread the field, 1:40:44.240 --> 1:40:48.000 throw the football, and the Patriots had no answers for it. 1:40:49.200 --> 1:40:53.320 I think people, the offense is clearly the issue with 1:40:53.439 --> 1:40:56.040 this team right now, so I'm not trying to point 1:40:56.120 --> 1:41:00.840 fingers at the defense. The Cowboys had five drives of 1:41:00.920 --> 1:41:04.080 over ten plays in this game. They had five drives 1:41:04.160 --> 1:41:06.679 over seventy yards. They had five drives over ten plays. 1:41:06.720 --> 1:41:09.639 I think people look at the final score and are like, well, technically, 1:41:09.680 --> 1:41:11.639 the defense only gave up twenty four points. Like, that's 1:41:11.680 --> 1:41:15.560 not that bad, right. They didn't stop the Cowboys on 1:41:15.680 --> 1:41:17.320 their first drive of the game. Where you mentioned that 1:41:17.360 --> 1:41:20.000 the Cowboys kicked that field goal, Dak and Tony Pollard 1:41:20.120 --> 1:41:22.680 ran into each other. Right, That's the only reason why 1:41:22.720 --> 1:41:25.400 the run didn't work is because they ran into each other. 1:41:25.520 --> 1:41:29.080 On the play. The offense screwed up. They held them 1:41:29.080 --> 1:41:30.840 in the red zone. They had some good stuff in 1:41:30.920 --> 1:41:33.360 the red zone, but for the most part, Dallas drove 1:41:33.400 --> 1:41:35.280 the ball in this game at will. They drove the 1:41:35.320 --> 1:41:37.439 ball at will. And I get that the Patriots were 1:41:37.479 --> 1:41:39.639 short handed in the second theary, I get Christian Gonzalez 1:41:39.680 --> 1:41:41.200 got hurt at the end of the first quarter. The 1:41:41.280 --> 1:41:43.920 first quarter was the same even with Gonzales out there. 1:41:44.520 --> 1:41:47.840 So at this point, you know, this kind of comes 1:41:47.880 --> 1:41:49.720 back to like Bill and the job security and all 1:41:49.760 --> 1:41:53.000 that kind of stuff. We know that he's on the 1:41:53.040 --> 1:41:56.680 hot seat because of his personnel decisions, rightfully, so right 1:41:57.560 --> 1:42:00.240 and if he's not a great game planner anymore, Like 1:42:00.320 --> 1:42:03.240 that's the that's the Belichick mistique that Nick was talking 1:42:03.280 --> 1:42:04.920 about when we were talking to him about the Saints, 1:42:05.600 --> 1:42:09.439 is the Belichick mystique of game planning and taking away 1:42:09.560 --> 1:42:12.680 your best thing and like, you know, really out coaching you. 1:42:12.880 --> 1:42:15.920 And think, if he can't do that anymore, then I 1:42:16.000 --> 1:42:19.320 present the question to mister Craft of what what does 1:42:19.360 --> 1:42:22.320 he bring to the table? He doesn't the roster is 1:42:22.360 --> 1:42:25.120 not good, the game plan and then game coaching isn't 1:42:25.160 --> 1:42:28.680 necessarily good. What is he bringing to the table. And 1:42:29.680 --> 1:42:32.400 if Bill's gonna like rest on his laurels and figure 1:42:32.439 --> 1:42:35.120 something out for the rest of the season. They've got 1:42:35.240 --> 1:42:37.880 to get back to out coaching teams again. Yeah, because 1:42:37.880 --> 1:42:39.720 they don't have the talent to make up for it. 1:42:39.800 --> 1:42:42.360 That's that's why he makes the big bucks. That that's 1:42:42.360 --> 1:42:45.640 why he's here. So I was really frustrated by by 1:42:45.720 --> 1:42:47.960 the fact that, you know, you mentioned all all great 1:42:48.040 --> 1:42:50.479 points about the offensive coaching and the things that they 1:42:50.560 --> 1:42:54.519 didn't do offensively. Defensively, I thought that they were pretty 1:42:54.600 --> 1:42:56.679 much non competitive as well, except in the red zone. 1:42:56.720 --> 1:42:58.280 I'm just like, I didn't even look at the defense 1:42:58.320 --> 1:43:00.479 from this gameout was just so fag It's like offense. 1:43:00.520 --> 1:43:02.400 I couldn't take my eyes off such a train wreck. 1:43:02.640 --> 1:43:04.120 It was, well, it was all a train wreck. Yeah, 1:43:04.120 --> 1:43:05.840 that's what I'm trying to tell you. All right, all right, 1:43:06.120 --> 1:43:07.920 let's move on. Let's let's clear the phone lines. Then 1:43:07.960 --> 1:43:10.479 we'll do key matchups that quickly. All right, Ties in Seattle, 1:43:10.520 --> 1:43:11.000 let's up, Tie. 1:43:12.520 --> 1:43:14.720 Hey, how are you guys? First time caller. I want 1:43:14.760 --> 1:43:17.080 to say thanks for every thing you do. And when 1:43:17.120 --> 1:43:19.840 Juju came into Juju came to the team, was pretty 1:43:19.840 --> 1:43:21.519 excited for him. I feel like he's kind of been 1:43:21.520 --> 1:43:24.720 a bus sent, you know. He he just doesn't get open, 1:43:24.760 --> 1:43:27.280 get a separation like we need, and just two other 1:43:27.320 --> 1:43:30.120 points I'll take off the air. I was watching some 1:43:30.200 --> 1:43:34.040 film about from the Cowboys game. Uh, Matt's steetwork is 1:43:34.200 --> 1:43:37.800 just regretting. It's horrible. Uh he's he's not playing his 1:43:37.880 --> 1:43:41.080 foot and that threw that throw he made across the numbers. 1:43:41.400 --> 1:43:44.920 You know, it's high school level mistakes. You know it 1:43:44.960 --> 1:43:47.680 was big on Mac. But again, you know every week 1:43:47.800 --> 1:43:51.320 he's just like he's regressing. Even that pick six, he 1:43:51.360 --> 1:43:53.400 immediately left the pocket. I mean it was closing in 1:43:53.520 --> 1:43:56.560 but he still had time in there. And then a 1:43:56.640 --> 1:44:02.400 touchdown throw that one definitely win over top. He you know, 1:44:02.600 --> 1:44:04.839 looked off his number one and number two option immediately 1:44:05.600 --> 1:44:07.800 he had that throw in the middle there. You know, 1:44:07.880 --> 1:44:09.920 it's it's after the fact and when he went quarterback, 1:44:10.000 --> 1:44:14.360 but it's just you know, it's time NFL level quarterbacking. 1:44:14.880 --> 1:44:18.439 And then last just kind of curious why it feels 1:44:18.479 --> 1:44:20.479 like when I watched the past games, compared to other games, 1:44:21.280 --> 1:44:23.639 they're just so slow looking on the field of their motions, 1:44:24.320 --> 1:44:26.800 their plays. There's just really no urgency there as far 1:44:26.880 --> 1:44:29.120 as get the ball and go compared to some of 1:44:29.160 --> 1:44:32.040 these other new offenses in the league, and again I'll 1:44:32.120 --> 1:44:33.280 take off fair thanks for everything and. 1:44:33.479 --> 1:44:34.000 Have a good day. 1:44:34.080 --> 1:44:35.720 Thanks for the call, Tye. Yeah, I mean we broke 1:44:35.800 --> 1:44:38.720 down the footwork stuff with Mac and that's definitely you 1:44:38.800 --> 1:44:41.519 know your spot on here, definitely seeing the right things 1:44:41.600 --> 1:44:44.000 there and things like that. In terms of the motion 1:44:44.720 --> 1:44:46.479 and stuff like that. This was on my mind too, 1:44:47.280 --> 1:44:50.320 because some of the stuff that they're like trying to 1:44:50.400 --> 1:44:53.080 hit is just too slow. Like it's just it doesn't 1:44:53.280 --> 1:44:55.360 all of it does doesn't move fasten. Yeah, Right, And 1:44:55.560 --> 1:44:57.559 we've talked about teams speed on offense and it being 1:44:57.640 --> 1:45:00.280 a concern. I think one of the biggest reasons why 1:45:01.240 --> 1:45:03.000 they're so slow on offense is because of how many 1:45:03.040 --> 1:45:06.240 tight ends they're playing. And they're playing two or three 1:45:06.280 --> 1:45:08.040 tight ends like all the time, right, you know, like 1:45:08.120 --> 1:45:10.919 they're playing two or three either twelve personnel thirteen personnel, 1:45:11.400 --> 1:45:13.640 like something like eighty five percent of the game in 1:45:13.760 --> 1:45:16.160 some of these games. I get why they're doing it. 1:45:16.280 --> 1:45:17.840 They're doing it because they need to figure out a 1:45:17.840 --> 1:45:20.280 way to block, right, So they're trying to put more 1:45:20.320 --> 1:45:22.240 blockers on the field to try to figure it out. 1:45:22.840 --> 1:45:23.400 But the the. 1:45:25.040 --> 1:45:27.240 Outcome is is, like Mike Kasiki is like running a 1:45:27.280 --> 1:45:30.960 deep over Mikeasiki is not you know, he's a fast 1:45:31.040 --> 1:45:34.200 tight end, I suppose, but he's not like a deep 1:45:34.280 --> 1:45:36.920 over special runner right like he's It's not like that 1:45:36.960 --> 1:45:39.400 shouldn't be him. You know, that's a right you're trying 1:45:39.400 --> 1:45:41.240 to win on and trying to you know, generate an 1:45:41.280 --> 1:45:43.880 explosive off of and you have a six foot six, 1:45:43.920 --> 1:45:46.160 two hundred and fifty pounds tight end running it right, 1:45:46.240 --> 1:45:48.160 So it just is too slow. It just doesn't work 1:45:48.880 --> 1:45:52.000 like that. So they've got to figure out a way 1:45:52.040 --> 1:45:54.639 to run the ball. We know that, but I don't 1:45:54.680 --> 1:45:57.000 necessarily know if the heavy packages is doing them any 1:45:57.040 --> 1:45:59.559 favors because they can't throw out of it. So maybe 1:45:59.600 --> 1:46:01.479 eleven personnel is the way to go to get more 1:46:01.520 --> 1:46:03.519 receivers on the field. This kind of goes to, you know, 1:46:03.560 --> 1:46:06.120 everybody's point about Pop Douglas, like you're only playing an 1:46:06.120 --> 1:46:08.920 eighteen snaps, Like some of these routes like that need 1:46:09.000 --> 1:46:11.759 to hit quicker, need to be by run by faster 1:46:11.880 --> 1:46:16.599 people like Pop Douglas, like a Kendrick Bourne, like Taekwon 1:46:16.640 --> 1:46:18.280 if he ever gets his butt back on the field, 1:46:18.439 --> 1:46:19.960 right like, you know, those are the types of guys 1:46:19.960 --> 1:46:22.080 that need to be running those types of routes. All right, 1:46:22.479 --> 1:46:25.040 Roman is in our Justin, Sorry, go in order here. 1:46:25.200 --> 1:46:26.519 Justin's in Houston. What's up Justin? 1:46:28.160 --> 1:46:29.040 Hey guys, how's it going? 1:46:29.120 --> 1:46:29.439 Hey? 1:46:30.840 --> 1:46:34.360 Hey man time probably one time listeners. So I got 1:46:34.479 --> 1:46:37.360 two things I want to say. I was curious that 1:46:37.400 --> 1:46:40.439 you guys think build a Spelli checkle that would be 1:46:40.640 --> 1:46:43.439 relieved of his GM duty to pass that along with 1:46:43.520 --> 1:46:45.840 somebody kind of like the Nike stereo type of thing. 1:46:46.240 --> 1:46:47.840 I think me personally, the game that's kind of just 1:46:48.040 --> 1:46:50.120 passed them by. I mean you go back to whenever 1:46:50.240 --> 1:46:53.760 cole Strains was drafted. Sean McVay was on Live TV 1:46:53.840 --> 1:46:55.680 saying they had a fourth round grade on the guy. 1:46:56.520 --> 1:46:59.320 And I got a one more thing I want to say, Evan. 1:47:00.600 --> 1:47:03.360 I know hindsight is twenty twenty, but what do you personally. 1:47:03.080 --> 1:47:03.759 See in juju? 1:47:03.880 --> 1:47:06.439 I know what most guys talk up great over to Kobe, 1:47:06.640 --> 1:47:08.760 but I nenver saw it. I mean, the guys can't 1:47:08.760 --> 1:47:11.240 even break a thousand yards and home still at home, 1:47:11.439 --> 1:47:15.880 and that often anybody ex healthy. But yeah, that's it 1:47:15.960 --> 1:47:16.160 for me. 1:47:16.720 --> 1:47:19.519 All right, Thanks for the call, Justin. We appreciate it. Uh, look, 1:47:20.040 --> 1:47:21.800 I missed on Juju. I'm not going to try to 1:47:21.960 --> 1:47:24.800 sugarcoat that. I thought that Juju is going to be 1:47:24.920 --> 1:47:27.320 much better than this. I think what I saw with 1:47:27.439 --> 1:47:30.160 Juju is a really good catch and run player. But 1:47:30.280 --> 1:47:34.639 the problem is is that for Kansas City, at least 1:47:34.760 --> 1:47:36.920 last year, they found a ways to get him into 1:47:36.960 --> 1:47:39.519 catch and run opportunities and the Patriots just haven't really 1:47:39.520 --> 1:47:41.160 been able to do that and haven't been able to 1:47:41.200 --> 1:47:44.360 get him loose and get him moving. He's not a jitterbug. 1:47:44.400 --> 1:47:46.599 He's not Pop Douglas, right, so he's not gonna shake 1:47:46.640 --> 1:47:49.160 out of tackles. He has to be able to run 1:47:49.240 --> 1:47:51.240 with the football, you know. Hit him on a slant 1:47:51.280 --> 1:47:52.800 and watch him run, Hit him on a dig and 1:47:52.840 --> 1:47:54.479 watch him run with it. Like those are the types 1:47:54.520 --> 1:47:56.560 of routes that he ran in Kansas City that he 1:47:56.720 --> 1:47:58.920 was effective on and they just haven't gotten the loose. 1:47:58.960 --> 1:48:02.160 And this is something that really Alex, We're on like 1:48:02.240 --> 1:48:05.240 three different coordinators that like can't get these catch and 1:48:05.320 --> 1:48:08.680 run players the ball in space. I don't think. I 1:48:08.720 --> 1:48:11.519 think McDaniel's really struggled with it with nickil Harry and 1:48:11.560 --> 1:48:15.040 with Johnny Smith. I think Patricia obviously struggled it with 1:48:15.160 --> 1:48:17.400 it last year again with John hu And I get 1:48:17.439 --> 1:48:18.880 that people can point to it and say, oh, well, 1:48:18.880 --> 1:48:21.559 those players just stink, right, like it's just on the personnel, 1:48:21.560 --> 1:48:23.040 and it's on the player, John who. 1:48:22.960 --> 1:48:25.720 Has more receiving yards than anybody on the Patriots this year. 1:48:25.840 --> 1:48:27.720 Yeah, yeah, he's the number two. 1:48:27.960 --> 1:48:30.040 Well when you talk about the Falcons usage of. 1:48:30.400 --> 1:48:33.920 The would trade for Kyle Pitts, right, yeah, anyways, but 1:48:34.960 --> 1:48:37.439 you know now they're doing it again with Juju is 1:48:37.479 --> 1:48:40.800 not a separator. Juju doesn't separate on his own. He's 1:48:40.840 --> 1:48:42.519 not like a one on one winner, Like, that's not 1:48:42.680 --> 1:48:45.360 Juju Smith Schuster's game. They gotta, you know, they gotta 1:48:45.479 --> 1:48:47.680 get him off the line of screamage. They gotta run 1:48:47.760 --> 1:48:50.360 him on rubs on like you know, again, zone coverage. 1:48:50.400 --> 1:48:52.880 He's much better, Like, find ways to get him out 1:48:53.200 --> 1:48:55.160 into some space where he can run with the football. 1:48:55.160 --> 1:48:56.720 I'm not saying that that's gonna turn him into a 1:48:56.800 --> 1:48:59.960 thousand yard receiver, but that's what he was at his best. 1:49:00.360 --> 1:49:02.280 Right He's running those types of routes and they just 1:49:02.360 --> 1:49:04.920 haven't really gotten gotten that. But I was totally wrong 1:49:04.960 --> 1:49:08.879 about Juju and Jacoby Myers. I'll admit that Roman's in Chicago. 1:49:08.920 --> 1:49:09.559 What's up Roman? 1:49:12.200 --> 1:49:12.280 Uh? 1:49:12.520 --> 1:49:14.800 We left. I didn't even leave Roman on hold for 1:49:14.880 --> 1:49:16.320 that long. No one, you know, some of the other 1:49:16.360 --> 1:49:17.800 people are waiting for like over an hour. 1:49:17.840 --> 1:49:20.080 When you call somebody's name and then you backtrack on it, 1:49:20.160 --> 1:49:20.920 people hang you. 1:49:21.200 --> 1:49:23.880 You can't do that. Oh oh, they're never gonna get 1:49:23.880 --> 1:49:27.880 it to me. So it was on the screen in 1:49:27.960 --> 1:49:30.200 a different order. All right. Anyways, let's do key matchups 1:49:30.240 --> 1:49:34.639 really quickly. All right, my first key matchup in this game. 1:49:34.680 --> 1:49:38.519 Maybe we'll have some overlap which will help. But Darian 1:49:38.560 --> 1:49:41.519 low against Cameron Jordan, this is to me. When the 1:49:41.560 --> 1:49:43.880 Patriots have the ball, this is the game. Yeah, if 1:49:43.880 --> 1:49:47.360 they're gonna leave a Darian Lowe at right tackle Cameron Jordan, 1:49:47.560 --> 1:49:49.760 that's where he lines up. That's where he rushes over. 1:49:50.680 --> 1:49:52.720 Cameron Jordan might as well be twenty six years old. 1:49:52.800 --> 1:49:54.400 Like that's the way. He doesn't play like a thirty 1:49:54.439 --> 1:49:58.200 four times it's wild. He's agent like fine wine him 1:49:58.240 --> 1:50:03.000 and tomorrow Davis. This this is a absolute mismatch, a 1:50:03.200 --> 1:50:07.720 monster mismatch. On the same plane, I would say is 1:50:07.840 --> 1:50:10.559 like not necessarily Mike A. Parsons because I don't think 1:50:10.600 --> 1:50:13.760 Cameron Jordan's in that category of elite. But like John 1:50:13.800 --> 1:50:16.559 Franklin Myers, who also ate up Vederian Low two weeks ago, 1:50:17.040 --> 1:50:20.519 this is a this is a big you know, warning warning, 1:50:20.720 --> 1:50:22.799 right like for me with the Patriots in this matchup. 1:50:23.240 --> 1:50:23.360 Uh. 1:50:24.320 --> 1:50:28.519 I think the toughest part too with Cameron Jordan is 1:50:28.560 --> 1:50:30.720 that he's a great run player as well, Like he 1:50:30.760 --> 1:50:33.280 can rush the passer, but he does it both at 1:50:33.320 --> 1:50:37.000 a high level. So the running the ball at him 1:50:37.280 --> 1:50:39.880 and pass blocking him for with Vederian Low is gonna 1:50:39.880 --> 1:50:42.880 be an issue for this team on Sunday. So, yeah, 1:50:42.920 --> 1:50:45.040 that that's my number one matchup. That's that's one that 1:50:45.240 --> 1:50:46.360 everybody should have circle. 1:50:46.600 --> 1:50:48.560 All right, I'll go with on the other side of 1:50:48.600 --> 1:50:51.200 the ball, the Patriots, because look, if the Patriots are 1:50:51.200 --> 1:50:52.759 gonna win this game, they're gonna do it eventsively. 1:50:52.960 --> 1:50:53.160 Yep. 1:50:54.840 --> 1:50:57.559 Just the Patriots front seven against Alvin Kamara. 1:50:57.680 --> 1:50:58.439 Yeah, I have that one too. 1:50:58.640 --> 1:51:01.559 The Saints ran forty three plays last week, yeah, which 1:51:01.640 --> 1:51:05.519 is low, but they ran forty three plays. Twenty five 1:51:05.640 --> 1:51:10.160 of those, yeah, were to Alvin Kamara. Fourteen targets, thirteen 1:51:10.200 --> 1:51:12.600 of them catches, eleven carries. Yeah, and that was his 1:51:12.720 --> 1:51:16.120 first week back after missing three weeks. Yeah, say what 1:51:16.200 --> 1:51:18.559 you know about Mike Thomas lave. I think Derek Carrs 1:51:18.560 --> 1:51:22.920 shoulder probably factors into this. Alvin Kamara is the game 1:51:23.080 --> 1:51:25.639 for the Saints offense. And I asked Lawrence Guy about 1:51:25.680 --> 1:51:27.799 him earlier today and I was like, oh, you should 1:51:28.000 --> 1:51:30.320 like the way he cuts, and like, they're clearly impressed 1:51:30.360 --> 1:51:30.800 with this guy. 1:51:31.160 --> 1:51:31.760 It's hard not to. 1:51:32.040 --> 1:51:34.320 Lawrence Guy called him rare. His ability to cut back rare. 1:51:35.200 --> 1:51:39.160 He's slippery. You gotta swarm to the football gang tackling. 1:51:39.479 --> 1:51:42.439 They cannot be missing tackles this week. They cannot be 1:51:42.560 --> 1:51:46.400 missing tackles, especially against Alvin Kamara because more often than not, again, 1:51:46.680 --> 1:51:49.599 twenty five or forty three plays, that's way more than half. 1:51:50.479 --> 1:51:52.120 This is the guy the Saints are counting on to 1:51:52.160 --> 1:51:52.760 win them in the game. 1:51:52.800 --> 1:51:54.840 You gotta be able to shut him down. Yeah, he's 1:51:55.000 --> 1:51:57.439 he's a problem. Last week. You only had eleven carries 1:51:57.439 --> 1:51:59.439 in this first game back. All of them were outside 1:51:59.520 --> 1:52:02.920 zone run all even so they're they're an outside zone team. 1:52:03.439 --> 1:52:05.439 He loves you, like you said, the cutbacks and things 1:52:05.520 --> 1:52:08.760 like that. That's his game. He's impossible to tackle. His 1:52:08.920 --> 1:52:11.080 contact balance and his ability to break tackles has been 1:52:11.120 --> 1:52:13.680 his calling cards since day one. He's great like that. 1:52:14.040 --> 1:52:16.000 I would say also in the passing game, like you 1:52:16.080 --> 1:52:17.960 almost have to treat him as a wide receiver in 1:52:18.000 --> 1:52:22.320 the passing game, So like Juwan Bentley and Jeelani Tavai 1:52:22.400 --> 1:52:26.000 cannot be isolated on Alvin Kamara on Sunday, Like you 1:52:26.120 --> 1:52:29.679 have to treat him like, yeah, a Marde Mapu, Kyle Duggar, 1:52:30.400 --> 1:52:32.679 maybe even Jalen Mills, Like you have to have somebody 1:52:32.800 --> 1:52:36.880 that's the cover guy covering Alvin Kamara when they flex 1:52:37.000 --> 1:52:39.599 him out or in the passing game, he's a problem. 1:52:40.120 --> 1:52:42.639 And with Derek Carr's shoulder, you know that's the guy 1:52:42.720 --> 1:52:44.400 that the ball is gonna funnel through. Right now, It's 1:52:44.439 --> 1:52:46.760 not gonna be a lobby, I don't think necessarily, because 1:52:47.040 --> 1:52:49.040 a lobby is a vertical guy that needs to get 1:52:49.080 --> 1:52:51.640 the ball deep. I think a Kamara is gonna be 1:52:51.640 --> 1:52:52.639 a big part of their game plan. 1:52:52.720 --> 1:52:54.920 Again, so I would kind of add to this because 1:52:55.080 --> 1:52:56.559 the way I write it now for ninety eight five, 1:52:56.600 --> 1:52:58.840 I do like think things to watch for instead of 1:52:58.920 --> 1:53:03.080 key matchups within this, the defense has to start making plays. 1:53:03.560 --> 1:53:05.519 And I know you, I think you tweeted about this 1:53:05.600 --> 1:53:07.080 this week and it was a good point. People got 1:53:07.160 --> 1:53:10.200 mad at me. You were right, don't blame the defense. 1:53:10.040 --> 1:53:14.800 Especially now. The defense can't just stop by the way. 1:53:14.880 --> 1:53:18.120 This is something the Saints defense does incredibly well. Yeah, 1:53:18.520 --> 1:53:22.160 this Saints defense, they're not out there to stop the offense. 1:53:22.439 --> 1:53:24.639 They're out there to make plays in their own right, 1:53:24.800 --> 1:53:27.479 whether it's tackles for loss, a sacks, forcing turnovers, things 1:53:27.520 --> 1:53:31.160 like that. The Patriots defense needs to have that mentality 1:53:31.280 --> 1:53:34.160 this week, not just tackling Alvin Kamara, but getting to 1:53:34.240 --> 1:53:36.840 them in the backfield, not just knocking passes down, but 1:53:36.920 --> 1:53:39.240 picking them off when you get to the ballcarrier, right, 1:53:39.240 --> 1:53:41.720 because they got to be swarm tackling. First guy, hold 1:53:41.720 --> 1:53:44.120 them up, second guy, punch it out. It's got to 1:53:44.160 --> 1:53:45.160 be things like that this week. 1:53:45.360 --> 1:53:47.360 Yeah, and look I said this on Twitter, and I 1:53:47.520 --> 1:53:49.680 joke like about people coming after me, but they did 1:53:49.760 --> 1:53:51.760 come after me about it, and I thought it was 1:53:51.760 --> 1:53:55.400 a good take. My whole point was is that we 1:53:55.560 --> 1:54:02.000 can disagree with the head coach here the philosophical idea 1:54:02.160 --> 1:54:04.560 of winning the game on defense. We all agree that 1:54:04.680 --> 1:54:06.960 that's not how the game has played anymore. That's not 1:54:07.080 --> 1:54:09.320 how you can win anymore at a high level. We 1:54:09.520 --> 1:54:12.240 all agree, But the bottom line is that they came 1:54:12.320 --> 1:54:14.760 into the season expecting their defense to be dominant, and 1:54:14.800 --> 1:54:16.800 when you're a dominant defense, you turn the ball over. 1:54:17.240 --> 1:54:19.920 It's not just about points per game. It's not just 1:54:20.000 --> 1:54:23.120 about points per game. The Patriots have had great defenses 1:54:23.160 --> 1:54:25.280 in terms of points per game that have given up 1:54:25.320 --> 1:54:27.519 a ton of yards, and our ben don't break and 1:54:27.600 --> 1:54:30.040 then are good in the red zone and good situationally, 1:54:30.479 --> 1:54:32.600 so they don't give up, you know, forty points a game. 1:54:33.000 --> 1:54:36.760 They only give up eighteen. This defense was not built 1:54:36.880 --> 1:54:39.040 for that. This defense was built to take the ball away. 1:54:39.640 --> 1:54:41.640 And I think a couple of different things that I've 1:54:41.760 --> 1:54:44.400 noticed about the way that they play right now. First 1:54:44.440 --> 1:54:48.120 of all, you gotta play Kyle Duggart close to the ball. 1:54:48.600 --> 1:54:51.520 Kyle Duggar's got to be close to the ball. Whatever 1:54:51.640 --> 1:54:54.480 you have to do with Devin mccorty's role, like whatever 1:54:54.520 --> 1:54:56.920 whoever has to play post safety to make that happen. 1:54:57.240 --> 1:54:59.840 You gotta try to make that happen because playing him 1:55:00.000 --> 1:55:01.960 twelve yards off the ball at this snap every single 1:55:02.040 --> 1:55:05.640 time is taking away his superpower, which is playmaking around 1:55:05.680 --> 1:55:08.600 the football. He's got to be around the ball because 1:55:08.600 --> 1:55:10.800 he has to be producing the turnovers he was producing 1:55:10.920 --> 1:55:13.320 last year, and he's not doing that right now because 1:55:13.320 --> 1:55:15.680 he's playing so deep off the line of scrimmage. So 1:55:16.360 --> 1:55:18.160 a guy like Kyle Duggart needs to be close to 1:55:18.200 --> 1:55:21.080 the ball. You get JC back, hopefully mister Iront comes 1:55:21.160 --> 1:55:24.400 up with his signature a right, and maybe Jack Jones 1:55:24.440 --> 1:55:26.440 comes back at some point, and the ball hawks a 1:55:26.480 --> 1:55:31.280 little bit as well. But in general, you weren't I'm sorry, 1:55:31.600 --> 1:55:33.800 in the modern NFL, you are not a good defense. 1:55:33.840 --> 1:55:36.760 If you have two takeaways in four games, you just aren't. 1:55:37.000 --> 1:55:38.800 In a lot of errors, I don't even think that's 1:55:38.840 --> 1:55:41.160 a modern thing, a lot of errors. You're not a committee, 1:55:41.480 --> 1:55:45.320 it's like, especially in this era, because like that, that's 1:55:45.320 --> 1:55:47.080 how defense impacts the game more than anything else. 1:55:47.200 --> 1:55:49.440 Yeah, it's a back and forth, right, Like the offense 1:55:49.480 --> 1:55:51.520 is gonna land some punches and you have to land 1:55:51.560 --> 1:55:54.320 some punches. They they have to turn the ball over 1:55:54.400 --> 1:55:57.320 more than they have. Yeah, and that's the I couldn't 1:55:57.320 --> 1:55:59.680 agree more with that. All Right, my last one here, 1:56:00.200 --> 1:56:02.480 this one's going you know me, I gotta go interior offensive. 1:56:02.480 --> 1:56:10.640 Okay Hurst, their right guard against Christian Barmore. This is 1:56:10.680 --> 1:56:12.880 the weak point of their offensive line right now. And 1:56:13.080 --> 1:56:14.960 of course I'm blanking on his freaking first name like 1:56:15.000 --> 1:56:19.520 an idiot. But Christian Barmore without I'll get it in 1:56:19.560 --> 1:56:23.560 here in this I'll keep talking. Christian Barmore without Matthew 1:56:23.640 --> 1:56:27.200 Judon becomes your second best pass rusher, right, Joshu Jay 1:56:27.240 --> 1:56:30.040 is your best pass rusher, and Christian Barmore becomes your 1:56:30.040 --> 1:56:32.000 second best. It's James Hurst, James. 1:56:31.880 --> 1:56:33.880 Hurst, Okay, all right, because and andrews Pete is out. 1:56:34.360 --> 1:56:37.320 Yeah, so James Hurst is their right guard. I think 1:56:37.360 --> 1:56:41.400 he's like something like sixty second among seventy guards in 1:56:41.480 --> 1:56:44.240 pass blocking grade right now in PFF right, so like 1:56:44.320 --> 1:56:48.360 he can't pass block very well. And your one two 1:56:48.480 --> 1:56:51.000 punch now in the pass rush becomes josh U j 1:56:51.120 --> 1:56:53.520 and Christian Barmore. So I think they really need to 1:56:53.560 --> 1:56:56.160 get some interior pressure. Watching that film last week against 1:56:56.200 --> 1:56:59.440 the Bucks Vita Vea just eight Hurst alive was in 1:56:59.480 --> 1:57:01.760 the backfield for a lot of that game. So I 1:57:01.840 --> 1:57:04.960 need to see that that old rookie season Christian bar Moore. 1:57:05.200 --> 1:57:07.240 I know we all want to see kef. I was 1:57:07.280 --> 1:57:08.960 gonna say, can we put Keon White in there as well. 1:57:09.080 --> 1:57:11.760 But it's gonna is gonna get a lot more attention now, 1:57:11.880 --> 1:57:14.840 like is gonna be the judon of this defense in 1:57:14.920 --> 1:57:18.760 pass for situations. Now they have to get some interior pressure. 1:57:18.760 --> 1:57:21.320 They have to get some secondary rushers, and Christian Barmore 1:57:21.320 --> 1:57:23.240 has got to lead that. Okay, So I only gave one. 1:57:23.280 --> 1:57:26.000 One of them was just Rashichi heat kickoffs. Contain him 1:57:26.440 --> 1:57:28.200 the last one. This is the number I've been teasing 1:57:28.240 --> 1:57:32.080 all game, Evan, the Patriots third down offense against the 1:57:32.120 --> 1:57:37.520 Saints third down defense. And again when you get third 1:57:37.560 --> 1:57:42.320 and short, yeah, run the ball. 1:57:42.520 --> 1:57:44.680 They're not going to listen. Just to mess with you. 1:57:45.040 --> 1:57:48.760 The Saints have faced seventeen third and shorts this year, 1:57:48.800 --> 1:57:52.720 so we're going yards to go three or less? All right, 1:57:53.280 --> 1:57:56.400 nearly an even split on those plays. They faced eight 1:57:56.520 --> 1:57:57.520 runs nine passes. 1:57:58.120 --> 1:57:58.640 Yep. Okay. 1:57:59.400 --> 1:58:02.840 When Tames throw the ball against the Saints on third 1:58:02.840 --> 1:58:04.520 and short, yes, I can't tell if you're making fun 1:58:04.560 --> 1:58:05.120 of me, you're extra. 1:58:06.120 --> 1:58:07.240 I have it on a table here. Do you want 1:58:07.240 --> 1:58:07.520 to see it? 1:58:07.600 --> 1:58:07.640 No? 1:58:07.680 --> 1:58:11.760 I just want to keep going. When which is when 1:58:11.800 --> 1:58:12.560 we need a whiteboard? 1:58:12.800 --> 1:58:15.200 Right, when teams throw the ball against the Saints on 1:58:15.280 --> 1:58:17.920 third and short. Yes, they are converting a first down 1:58:18.000 --> 1:58:19.080 thirty three percent of the time. 1:58:19.080 --> 1:58:19.560 It's not good. 1:58:19.960 --> 1:58:21.800 When they run the ball against the Saints on third 1:58:21.840 --> 1:58:25.000 and short sixty two percent of the time is good. 1:58:25.360 --> 1:58:28.040 That's better than the league average. The other ones worse. 1:58:28.720 --> 1:58:32.520 Run third and short, third and one hand the ball off. 1:58:32.640 --> 1:58:35.440 I feel like in the blind side, run the damn ball. 1:58:36.120 --> 1:58:39.280 And yes, the runs and include quarterback sneaks. No, no 1:58:39.480 --> 1:58:42.080 quarterback sneak, no handing it off out of the shotgun. 1:58:42.400 --> 1:58:48.120 No put zeke, put remandree back there, put Pharaoh Brown 1:58:48.200 --> 1:58:52.080 in front of him. In Sandra Bullock, run the damn ball, 1:58:52.240 --> 1:58:53.960 I think that's right. 1:58:54.560 --> 1:58:57.000 Did that start with Marshaun Lynch? I don't know, but 1:58:57.160 --> 1:58:59.720 that that's I always think it was Sandra Bullock. 1:58:59.560 --> 1:59:03.160 On third the Saints good against the pass, bad against 1:59:03.200 --> 1:59:06.160 the run on third and short the ball and there's 1:59:06.240 --> 1:59:08.839 no sample sized thing there same number of plays. 1:59:09.200 --> 1:59:11.640 I want run the ball. I want them to. I 1:59:11.720 --> 1:59:13.520 want them to make. You know, they made these like 1:59:13.600 --> 1:59:16.440 tough guys cover kick t shirts. Can we just run, like, 1:59:16.520 --> 1:59:18.400 make a T shirt that actually matters and it says 1:59:18.440 --> 1:59:20.440 run the damn ball. Tough teams run the ball on 1:59:20.520 --> 1:59:22.360 third and one. Yeah, that's a better T shirt. 1:59:22.440 --> 1:59:23.840 Tough teams run the ball on third and one. 1:59:23.880 --> 1:59:25.720 All right, very last thing here, then we gotta wrap 1:59:26.320 --> 1:59:30.360 really quickly. Just don't don't get yourself caught with your 1:59:30.400 --> 1:59:32.200 pants down when Taysom Hill comes in the game at 1:59:32.280 --> 1:59:35.200 quarter pot. Yeah, like, it's not a it's not like 1:59:35.280 --> 1:59:38.040 this huge thing but that we need to break down 1:59:38.160 --> 1:59:41.160 for thirty minutes. Don't worry marine, but the big the 1:59:41.200 --> 1:59:45.160 biggest thing is just looked at the clock. Don't be surprised, Like, 1:59:45.240 --> 1:59:47.960 don't be surprised when they try to run like QB 1:59:48.160 --> 1:59:50.520 power with Taysom Hill and all of a sudden, it's 1:59:50.600 --> 1:59:53.880 you know, it's the Wildcat Dolphins game with Ronnie Brown, right, Like, 1:59:54.000 --> 1:59:57.000 just don't don't take it lightly and don't be surprised 1:59:57.040 --> 1:59:59.760 by it. The Patriots have a plan against it. They'll 1:59:59.800 --> 2:00:03.760 be fine, but they will put Taysom Hill at quarterbacks 2:00:03.800 --> 2:00:05.760 some in this game and have them run wildcat Like 2:00:05.840 --> 2:00:08.120 that's going to happen. It happened, They did it last week, 2:00:08.200 --> 2:00:10.560 They're gonna do it again this week, and they're gonna 2:00:10.600 --> 2:00:13.800 try to hit the Patriots. I'm sure on some of 2:00:13.840 --> 2:00:15.720 the things that have given them problems, you know, like 2:00:15.880 --> 2:00:18.800 power and counter with Lamar and justin fields last year. 2:00:19.280 --> 2:00:20.880 I'm sure they're gonna try to do some of those 2:00:20.920 --> 2:00:23.000 things and test it and see if the Patriots are 2:00:23.000 --> 2:00:25.320 ready for it. So just don't get yourself caught in 2:00:25.400 --> 2:00:27.560 a place where you're like, oh, right, Taysom Hill and 2:00:27.600 --> 2:00:29.640 then he's got, like, you know, a ridiculous game on 2:00:29.760 --> 2:00:33.720 his hands. This game is gonna be offense is gonna 2:00:33.720 --> 2:00:35.800 be at a premium for both of these teams. I think, 2:00:36.080 --> 2:00:38.240 you know, the Saints their quarterbacks banged up, and they 2:00:38.280 --> 2:00:40.520 haven't been a good offense so far. The Patriots haven't 2:00:40.560 --> 2:00:42.720 been a good offense because of their own reasons. And 2:00:43.160 --> 2:00:47.440 you know, this should be eighteen fifteen, seventeen fourteen type 2:00:47.480 --> 2:00:50.000 of game, and you don't want Taysom Hill to be 2:00:50.080 --> 2:00:53.080 the difference in that for New Orleans. Like one drive 2:00:53.160 --> 2:00:55.200 that Taysom Hill comes out and runs the ball down 2:00:55.240 --> 2:00:57.760 the field. So just be ready for that. Do you 2:00:57.880 --> 2:01:00.920 like the Patriots in this game on Sunday? You're taking 2:01:00.960 --> 2:01:04.080 the Patriots because they're at home? Yeah, I do, But 2:01:04.120 --> 2:01:06.120 I don't feel great about it. I mean neither I've 2:01:06.200 --> 2:01:09.160 taken the Patriots too, but listening to Nick Hunter Hill, 2:01:09.240 --> 2:01:11.240 I am a little bit concerned about the fact that 2:01:11.320 --> 2:01:14.920 the Saints probably have more offensive firepower that they just 2:01:15.000 --> 2:01:18.000 haven't really been using correctly. So I hope they don't. 2:01:18.120 --> 2:01:20.000 Hope this isn't the week that they figure it out. 2:01:20.520 --> 2:01:24.440 But that's gonna do it here. Thanks for listening, Thanks 2:01:24.480 --> 2:01:27.840 for watching. Leave those comments, leave those reviews. We like 2:01:27.960 --> 2:01:30.520 them all, even the ones that are negative, So keep 2:01:30.600 --> 2:01:33.760 leaving those. 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