Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth and Lazarre.
Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us always.
Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barr.
Speaker 2: Actually like Robert Solo, Okay, it's gonna leave that there.
Speaker 1: I I like him less this year than I have
Speaker 1: in the past, But this is actually one of the
Speaker 1: few guys that I generally don't like to take shots at.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, that that was crazy. That was crazy. But
Speaker 2: in in every you know, in your defense, Alex, I
Speaker 2: I took a lot of shots at Mike McCarthy last week,
Speaker 2: and I was dead wrong. Yeah, I was dead wrong
Speaker 2: about that. So we'll get into that. It's Evan Lazar
Speaker 2: Alex Barth with you for the next couple of hours
Speaker 2: here on Patriots Catch twenty two. We got some things
Speaker 2: to look back. We're gonna do a post mortem. We're
Speaker 2: gonna talk about the Dallas game. We're gonna do three up,
Speaker 2: three down, or it's a little bit of a different
Speaker 2: version of three up three this week, I should say,
Speaker 2: and I'll tell you why in a few minutes. And
Speaker 2: then we also have Nick Underhill calling in from NOLA
Speaker 2: Dot football. We haven't done this before a call in guess,
Speaker 2: but I wanted to have Nick Collin and get to
Speaker 2: know the Saints a little bit. He's the best on
Speaker 2: the Saints, and it is a team we don't see
Speaker 2: very often up here, so I thought it'd be good
Speaker 2: to get somebody on the inside down there that knows
Speaker 2: what's going on in New Orleans. So we're gonna talk
Speaker 2: some Saints with Nick and preview the Saints and do
Speaker 2: our key matchups. But I have a couple of things
Speaker 2: that I wanted to get off my chest here at
Speaker 2: the beginning of the show. And I should also say that,
Speaker 2: you know, I've been a little bit under the weather
Speaker 2: this week, as you know, Alex, and so hopefully my
Speaker 2: voice doesn't like crap out at some point in the
Speaker 2: next two hours. But we'll cross that bridge when we
Speaker 2: get to it. The first thing is that I want
Speaker 2: to talk about a couple of things with the Patriots
Speaker 2: offense and where we're headed here. Number one, I want
Speaker 2: to address people that have been saying the last couple
Speaker 2: of days since the debacle in Dallas, and it was
Speaker 2: an outright debacle. I was there in person, and it
Speaker 2: was not fun to Witness Live. I'm sure it wasn't
Speaker 2: fun for you guys watching it on TV. The people
Speaker 2: that have come out and said the Patriots should tank
Speaker 2: the rest of the season, And it's not like that
Speaker 2: big of a thing. I'm not trying to make a
Speaker 2: mountain out of a mole hill here. But as somebody
Speaker 2: that is privileged to see a lot of the inner
Speaker 2: workings of the organization, Alex, you see plenty of it
Speaker 2: yourself as well. Yeah, this starts for the coaches and
Speaker 2: the players and the people within this building all the
Speaker 2: way back in the spring, right like you start with
Speaker 2: you know, OTAs and off season program and then rookie
Speaker 2: mini camp and mini camp, and like all the way
Speaker 2: back in April. Obviously the front office and personnel people
Speaker 2: they started at the combine and free agency and the drift.
Speaker 2: The people in these walls and in this building are
Speaker 2: not going to tank, right, Okay, Like, the amount of
Speaker 2: work that gets put into a football season for this
Speaker 2: organization is way too much to even put the word
Speaker 2: tank out there to these people. So I understand the
Speaker 2: bigger picture of why you tank, and I understand why
Speaker 2: fans think that they should at least be quiet tanking.
Speaker 2: Maybe not like full on like you know, throwing interceptions
Speaker 2: to lose the game type of thing, but they should
Speaker 2: be quiet tanking. And I get the premise, but I
Speaker 2: think it's a little bit. It's it's so much deeper
Speaker 2: than that. So to that point, you know, we're gonna
Speaker 2: talk about the J. C. Jackson trade and all that
Speaker 2: sort of thing, and I think that that speaks to it.
Speaker 2: I heard a lot of people that said that, you know,
Speaker 2: why even bother, why even bother making this trade. The
Speaker 2: bottom line is is that the Patriots are not going
Speaker 2: to tank. They're never gonna tank, and they I honestly
Speaker 2: don't think that they should ever tank. Now, there's a
Speaker 2: difference between full on tanking and what I just said,
Speaker 2: quiet tanking. Right, Like, you know, you're probably not gonna
Speaker 2: win a Super Bowl this year, right, they know that,
Speaker 2: But you're not gonna have a team that's gonna tank.
Speaker 2: It's just not gonna happen here. And I think it's
Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to use the word disrespectful,
Speaker 2: but it's just you got to think about all the
Speaker 2: work that gets put in and all the guys in
Speaker 2: the locker room and all the players on this team,
Speaker 2: and some of these guys too, like mind you or
Speaker 2: free agents at the end of the year, so there
Speaker 2: their livelihoods are at stake to put good film out there.
Speaker 2: No one's tanking in the Patriots, no one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think a lot of people don't understand
Speaker 1: how tanking works. Like you see people say all the time,
Speaker 1: why would the coach try this? If they're trying to tank,
Speaker 1: why would the players? Tanking happens from the general manager
Speaker 1: level up right there? In any context, quiet tank, obvious tank,
Speaker 1: where you're tank from the start of the year, where
Speaker 1: you're tanking starting in November. There is never any incentive
Speaker 1: for a coach and player to tank because even if
Speaker 1: the team the organization wants to lose games for the
Speaker 1: purpose of draft position the play, why would the players
Speaker 1: want that? Right They odds are if you're a tanking team,
Speaker 1: you're probably overhauling the roster. That means most of the
Speaker 1: players won't be around next year. They want to put
Speaker 1: good plays on tape so they can go elsewhere and
Speaker 1: still be on a team in the future, even if
Speaker 1: it's not that team. The same goes for coaches. They
Speaker 1: don't want to lose their jobs. They want to prove,
Speaker 1: whether it's to the organization they're working for and I'm
Speaker 1: just talking in generalities here, or another organization that they're
Speaker 1: still employable. The general manager is the lowest level where
Speaker 1: a tank comes from, because he may put together a
Speaker 1: team that he looks at it and says, this team
Speaker 1: will get me in the top five of the draft
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. When the coach is the GM,
Speaker 1: that goes away. Right, So, if they're gonna tank at
Speaker 1: this point, it's not coming from Bill. Bill's trying to
Speaker 1: win games. There's zero incentive, believe it or not. And
Speaker 1: people go, oh, well, doesn't he want a better quarterback? No,
Speaker 1: there's no incentive for Bill Belichick to tank at this point.
Speaker 2: No. I mean, frankly, his job security right on the
Speaker 2: line a little bit.
Speaker 1: If they're picking in the top five, he might not
Speaker 1: be the one making that pick.
Speaker 2: And then what is the tech week I can talk
Speaker 2: about if you should be the one making that pick.
Speaker 1: And we'll probably get to that at some point down
Speaker 1: the road if it calls for it. So I is
Speaker 1: there anybody really between Bill and Robert? I guess would
Speaker 1: be my question. And Robert's not gonna tank, And I
Speaker 1: go back to people might roll their eyes at this,
Speaker 1: but I go back to, uh, you watch the last dance, right,
Speaker 1: she watched the last dance. It was in the first
Speaker 1: or second episode. It's Michael Jordan's rookie year and the
Speaker 1: Bulls they're not great yet. It's the last game of
Speaker 1: the year against the Knicks and they need to lose
Speaker 1: to have like a shot at the number one overall
Speaker 1: pick in the lottery or whatever it is. It's some
Speaker 1: sort of draft thing and it's like kind of big
Speaker 1: and they tell Michael Jordan like, hey, stop trying right,
Speaker 1: stop scoring. We need to lose this game. And he
Speaker 1: is furious. They have to pull him out of the
Speaker 1: game because he means, what do you mean draft position?
Speaker 1: This is a game that's being played right here, right now.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna win it. And I think that mentality, and
Speaker 1: this applies to more than tanking, but I think you
Speaker 1: see that mentality with a lot of the greats and
Speaker 1: sports I always had. I believe like Tom Brady has
Speaker 1: that mentality right, he wouldn't go into a season. There
Speaker 1: was some talk in twenty nineteen or at the end
Speaker 1: of his time in Tampa that, oh, he's just phoning it.
Speaker 3: In.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a guy that had that capacity.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's something that would cross his mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the whole concept of tanking is something it's
Speaker 1: not even his Bill Belichick considering it.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's wired that way. Yeah, no, or
Speaker 2: he would believe in that.
Speaker 1: So you can put the tanking away right now. That's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. That's not how they're they're wired. And again,
Speaker 1: I hate it. When what was it?
Speaker 2: It was?
Speaker 1: It was the Texans and Colts last year? No Texans?
Speaker 1: And who is it the Texans beat in Week eighteen?
Speaker 2: I think I think it was the Cults.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so they beat the Colts and if they
Speaker 1: had lost that game, they would have had the number
Speaker 1: one overall pick, and we knew that going in and
Speaker 1: they won it, and people.
Speaker 2: Are like, you know what, idiots they ended up with?
Speaker 1: Right, so one, they might have ended up with a
Speaker 1: better quarterback, but too, where is the incentive for any
Speaker 1: of those players to go out there and play poorly?
Speaker 1: They don't care what the pick is. Most of them
Speaker 1: won't be back next year.
Speaker 2: Or part of the rebuilder whatever, or.
Speaker 1: If they already what they're gonna put the team in
Speaker 1: better position to draft their replacement, like tanking doesn't. The
Speaker 1: way we talk about tanking in the world of sports
Speaker 1: is not done logically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. So with that that said, you know,
Speaker 2: just turning the Patriot are going to talk a little
Speaker 2: bit of J. C. Jackson as well, and he was
Speaker 2: out of practice today with the Patriots on Thursday. But
Speaker 2: the other thing, like I kind of challenged fans in
Speaker 2: that respect to like move on from the tanking thing,
Speaker 2: like they're not that's not happening. They're not going to
Speaker 2: purposely try to lose games. They're not going to try
Speaker 2: to you know, think about that in that sense. So
Speaker 2: let's let's move on from that. But for the players
Speaker 2: for the Patriots, I I've watched quite a bit of
Speaker 2: things coming off this game, and everybody's got an opinion
Speaker 2: about what happened in Dallas, and understandably, that's that's the job,
Speaker 2: that's what we do. But from my own film study,
Speaker 2: and then I thought J. T. Os Sullivan did a
Speaker 2: great job with Mac Jones and in his quarterback breakdown
Speaker 2: as well. The thing that I kind of came away
Speaker 2: from it, and we're gonna get to Mac and I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to excuse Mac of his play because this
Speaker 2: was this was on mass his career. Yeah, Mac was
Speaker 2: was not good in this game. We know that. The
Speaker 2: one thing I would I would say quickly though, is
Speaker 2: that and this has been on my mind, I offensively,
Speaker 2: and I think that this started last year and a
Speaker 2: lot of us chalked it up to Patricia and like
Speaker 2: just not having belief in what the coaching staff. But
Speaker 2: this group of players doesn't have that excuse anymore, like
Speaker 2: they don't have the Patricia scapegoat anymore. And what I
Speaker 2: was really disappointed about in this game and then watching
Speaker 2: it back on film, is just the the lack of
Speaker 2: of a fight from this team, like the lack of
Speaker 2: like attention to detail and the lack of of I
Speaker 2: don't want to use the word effort because that's not fair,
Speaker 2: but just the lack of fight. And it comes down
Speaker 2: to a couple of different things. First of all, teams
Speaker 2: that can't run the ball. You walk around the locker
Speaker 2: room and like I'm gonna go on a little bit
Speaker 2: of ramp, but you walk around the locker room and
Speaker 2: you wear those damn T shirts that say tough teams
Speaker 2: cover kicks, tough teams also run the football. Yes, tough
Speaker 2: teams block and run the football and take it to
Speaker 2: the opponent and you know, take their will. Like all
Speaker 2: those old cliches that we hear in football, I subscribe
Speaker 2: to a lot of this. I know. I'm a spreadsheet guy.
Speaker 2: I love them.
Speaker 1: This is crazy. But you're advocating for smash mouth football.
Speaker 2: I am advocating for them to give an f right, Like,
Speaker 2: That's what I'm advocating for. So first of all, you
Speaker 2: you can't run the ball right, So that tells me,
Speaker 2: right then and there that that your physicality as an
Speaker 2: offense is at the door.
Speaker 1: I have a theory on that, but put a pin
Speaker 1: in that.
Speaker 2: Keep going. Second of all, I watched a clip, two
Speaker 2: different clips. First clip because the second one is even
Speaker 2: bigger deal to me. First clip was from the Raiders
Speaker 2: Chargers game, and they're both from the Raiders Chargers game,
Speaker 2: I should say, But the first one was Keenan Allen.
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen is in like a tight skull. I saw
Speaker 2: this was good, and he chips the end on his
Speaker 2: way out of the route and he decletes the guy.
Speaker 2: He sends him into orbit Pancakes and the Patriots routinely
Speaker 2: tried to chip Micah Parsons routinely with the backs, with
Speaker 2: the receivers, with the tight ends. Week If your job
Speaker 2: is to chip Micah Parsons, you chip Micah Parsons right like,
Speaker 2: that's Micah Parsons. That's number eleven. That guy's an absolute
Speaker 2: freak and he took over this game. He ruined your
Speaker 2: quarterback and all you did was give a little forearm
Speaker 2: shiver on the way by. Yeah, it's gonna gonna try
Speaker 2: to push him, like, gonna try to put a little
Speaker 2: shoulder shake into him right now. When you when your
Speaker 2: job is to to chip the best player on the
Speaker 2: other team on your way out, you know the old
Speaker 2: like offensive line guys would say, get a slab, Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: get a freaking slab of the guy. So that's number two.
Speaker 2: Number three the Chargers Raiders game again. Justin Herbert scrambles
Speaker 2: and gets absolutely laid out on the sideline by Jerry Tillery.
Speaker 2: Late hit, dirty play, all of it, like Drew Bledsoe
Speaker 2: esque laid out the entire Chargers sideline. Coaches, players, defensive players,
Speaker 2: the punter, guys without helmets on the practice squad, guys
Speaker 2: in workout clothes, on the sideline. The whole organization got
Speaker 2: up off the bench and stormed the castle, all of them,
Speaker 2: all of them. Jerry Tillery had to be pulled out
Speaker 2: of a pile of people and basically like rescued by
Speaker 2: his teammates because they were all out for blood. Not literally,
Speaker 2: like I'm exaggerating for the point, but like you know
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say. And for two straight weeks,
Speaker 2: starting last week with the Sauce Gardner bs and then
Speaker 2: this week with Matt I don't care if you think
Speaker 2: that Mac Jones stinks. I don't care if you don't
Speaker 2: like Mac Jones as a person, as a teammate. That's
Speaker 2: your quarterback, Yeah, that's your quarterback. When he gets hit
Speaker 2: and guys are standing over him and guys are are
Speaker 2: you know, getting in his face and things like that,
Speaker 2: you gotta come clean house. You gotta, you have to.
Speaker 2: That's the sport. It's the same in hockey, right like
Speaker 2: like you know you take out for years with the
Speaker 2: If somebody comes after David Postronach on the Bruins and
Speaker 2: somebody lays out David Pastronach, do you think that there's
Speaker 2: gonna be no response response for that? Of course, there
Speaker 2: will be of course, like that's that's the sport, that's football,
Speaker 2: that's your quarterback. Like take some pride in it, you know,
Speaker 2: like they play up to a certain standard and it
Speaker 2: goes down to like the techniques and the fundamentals of
Speaker 2: it too. If you're if it's third and fifteen or
Speaker 2: third and fourteen, whatever that situation was, right, and you
Speaker 2: remember this one right before the sneak, it was a
Speaker 2: third and fourteen, third and fifteen. Don't run a thirteen
Speaker 2: yard route on third and fourteen, right, run a fourteen
Speaker 2: and a half yard route. Run the route past the
Speaker 2: sticks when you're coming out on fourth down and it's
Speaker 2: a big fourth down play, rub, get a rub, get
Speaker 2: a pick, get juju open, Like, don't just run in
Speaker 2: and lollygag off the line of scrimmage. This type of
Speaker 2: stuff has been going on for two years now with
Speaker 2: this team. Two years now they've been playing like this,
Speaker 2: And I didn't think that Bill O'Brien would stand for it.
Speaker 2: You know, he's not that type of coach. And you
Speaker 2: know his nickname is Tea Pot and like I feel
Speaker 2: like he was losing his mind over this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: But this has become and you talk about the turnovers
Speaker 2: and you talk about all like this is this is
Speaker 2: ingrained in the DNA of the team at this point
Speaker 2: that they that this is how their offense plays. And
Speaker 2: you don't have the Patricia escapegoat anymore. He's not gonna
Speaker 2: he's not gonna shield it for you anymore. So we're
Speaker 2: coming after you now, like show some pride. That's all
Speaker 2: I got. So I'll say on that part first.
Speaker 1: There is this weird take this week that Matt Patricia
Speaker 1: somehow vindicated by what happens Sunday. Yeah, nobody was saying
Speaker 1: replace Matt Patricia one for one swap and everything will
Speaker 1: be fixed. Matt Patricia. Replacing him was the first step
Speaker 1: of the process. And I wrote out my ten step
Speaker 1: process for the off season back in January, and replacing
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia was step one. There was also adding wide receivers,
Speaker 1: adding tackles, things like that that they didn't do. On
Speaker 1: the quarterback thing, You're absolutely right, and people want to
Speaker 1: make that about Mac Jones. The guys won't stand up
Speaker 1: for Mac Jones. Again, it's a point of pride. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who your quarterback is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't matter if it's Mac Jones, Will Greer
Speaker 2: Bailey z Appy right, I don't care. It's not that that.
Speaker 1: Is you getting beat. That is just having some self respect,
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, so I agree with a lot of
Speaker 1: what you said. I don't think that it's any sort
Speaker 1: of vindication for Patricia. I think it's players not showing up.
Speaker 1: The short of the sticks thing that's been a problem
Speaker 1: all year. It's been a problem for the most part
Speaker 1: with the same guy, yeah, ju Smith Schuster, but it's.
Speaker 2: Been a two year problem like this, these nutshells, you know,
Speaker 2: in this game, I thought a lot of and again,
Speaker 2: like we're going to get into Mac. I promise you
Speaker 2: that we're not trying to like make excuses for him.
Speaker 2: But in this particular game, there is a lot of
Speaker 2: things that were Patricia esk right. Guys running into each other,
Speaker 2: Guys not knowing the situation, Guys just not executing the
Speaker 2: route combinations the way that they're supposed to be executed.
Speaker 2: And this is the type of stuff. And I point
Speaker 2: at the coaching staff and Billy oh at this too,
Speaker 2: like this is what he was brought in here to
Speaker 2: clean up.
Speaker 1: Well, so, and I'll remember back when we were going
Speaker 1: through the offensive coordinators and Bill O'Brien wasn't at the
Speaker 1: top of my list, and you got all annoyed with me.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that? Sure, I on Cliff kings parrience
Speaker 1: was before he went to Thailand or whatever, right Bangkok.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing with Bill O'Brien at Alabama, and you're
Speaker 1: seeing it again. Alabama's offense last year schematically made a
Speaker 1: lot of sense, but there were a lot of dumb
Speaker 1: penalties and it became very one dimensional early. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: kind of seeing the same thing here.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean I've been on their run game
Speaker 2: the whole season.
Speaker 1: So it goes to my point about the run. You
Speaker 1: say they can't run the ball. I maybe how they
Speaker 1: haven't really tried.
Speaker 2: So I but it's not even like a to me
Speaker 2: that you go ahead they Okay, I get what you
Speaker 2: are saying.
Speaker 1: It's the two plays against Dallas. There's the third and
Speaker 1: one in the red zone in the first quarter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where they throw the ball to Mi Kasiki. Mac makes
Speaker 1: a bad throw, Kasiki makes a bad play on the ball.
Speaker 1: They both screwed up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mack Kaziki. Bad plays by both of them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then you have the fourth and one in the second quarter,
Speaker 1: just over the fifty and the game I don't think
Speaker 1: there'd been one turnover yet. I'm pretty sure it's either
Speaker 1: a three to three game or a ten three game
Speaker 1: at this point, very much a football game. And look
Speaker 1: that tush push plays great. It's automatic. It's automatic for
Speaker 1: about a half a yard.
Speaker 2: It's also automatic for the Eagles. That's automatic for a
Speaker 2: lot of teams. A lot of teams are struggling with
Speaker 2: it though.
Speaker 1: Okay, but well, but here's I think part of the
Speaker 1: problem why a lot of teams aren't. Patriots are bad
Speaker 1: with this. It's automatic for half a yard. There's teams
Speaker 1: running it from like a yard and a half two
Speaker 1: yards out. I know this is college, but Wisconsin a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago they ran it from the three.
Speaker 1: That's not going to work. And I saw when they
Speaker 1: were lining up for that play. I turn to somebody,
Speaker 1: I said, and I'm talking about the Patriots. Now fourth
Speaker 1: in what was really yard and a half. I turned
Speaker 1: to somebody, say they're in the formation. I go, they
Speaker 1: this has to be a fake. They have to somehow
Speaker 1: fake the touch push here cause it's too long. The
Speaker 1: play doesn't get you that much yardage. And MATC gets
Speaker 1: half a yard, but they needed a yard and a half.
Speaker 1: And they've become think about how many third or fourth
Speaker 1: and ones have they gone right to the touch push
Speaker 1: this year? Yeah, like quickly to the lines, didn't even
Speaker 1: think about it. They've become too reliant on that play.
Speaker 1: And I go to those two plays, the third one,
Speaker 1: the fourth and one. There was a play last week
Speaker 1: against the Jets. I don't remember the exact scenario, but
Speaker 1: they had a third and short and they went to
Speaker 1: the toush push and it worked, but barely. They went
Speaker 1: to the touch push instead of handing the ball off.
Speaker 1: And it goes back to something we talked about last week.
Speaker 1: Even this team is built to be a run dominant team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: get under center, put one of your two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty pound backs behind you, hand the ball off to
Speaker 1: him and let him go downhill. And I don't know
Speaker 1: whether they can't look they're not running the ball as
Speaker 1: well as they should, But the big picture of that
Speaker 1: is more about them not breaking big runs when it comes.
Speaker 2: To third and one.
Speaker 1: I don't need a twenty yard run fourth and one,
Speaker 1: I don't need a twenty yard run. I need a
Speaker 1: yard and a half. I need two yards, which say
Speaker 1: what you will about the running game. They don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of big plays. They don't have a ton
Speaker 1: of negative plays either. Why can't you on third and
Speaker 1: one or fourth and one getting the ey set with
Speaker 1: Pharaoh Brown or just put one back back there in
Speaker 1: a single back and hand the ball off into the
Speaker 1: B gap. Why is there such a reason forget doing it?
Speaker 1: If they do it and fail, we can change the conversation.
Speaker 2: Try it.
Speaker 1: They haven't even tried it, and it's mind blowing. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they lost the game on either of
Speaker 1: those those two plays. They lost the game because they
Speaker 1: turn a ball over three times and quit. But are
Speaker 1: for instance, the the now the third and one or
Speaker 1: the third and one in the red zone they kick
Speaker 1: a field goal on what was a very promising drive.
Speaker 1: If they get a touchdown there, they have an early lead.
Speaker 1: The fourth and one.
Speaker 2: His answer.
Speaker 1: The fourth and one, the defense actually holds the Cowboys punt.
Speaker 1: The punt pins the Patriots at the two, and the
Speaker 1: next play, Mac Jonalds just strip sacked essentially in the
Speaker 1: end zone. So it's it's a snowball effect. These things
Speaker 1: compound if you pick up those two first downs you're
Speaker 1: probably not in a spot where you're pressing later in
Speaker 1: the game and mac Jones gets panicked and receivers are
Speaker 1: trying to do too much and things like that. Bill
Speaker 1: O'Brien called that failed quarterback sneak a big moment in
Speaker 1: the game. He called it that on Tuesday. He's right,
Speaker 1: if you can't pick up third and one, And then
Speaker 1: when we talk about the Saints game, I want to
Speaker 1: get back into this. If you can't pick up third
Speaker 1: and one on the ground, especially for a team that
Speaker 1: wants to move the ball methodically.
Speaker 2: What are you doing?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, I mean I go back to twenty fifteen I
Speaker 2: think it was, and that game in Denver, they had
Speaker 2: like a third and one or fourth and one or
Speaker 2: something for a big spot in the game. And I
Speaker 2: remember coming off that game when they lost that. You know,
Speaker 2: Dante Scarnekio had said, if you like good football teams,
Speaker 2: good offenses, pick up third and one, right, Like, it's
Speaker 2: not even a question.
Speaker 1: But I they pick a third and one by just
Speaker 1: lining up, get a hat on a hat and win
Speaker 1: it the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, that was his point. I agree with you. Look,
Speaker 2: I've been I've been critical of the way that they've
Speaker 2: schemed up the running game all year, and I thought
Speaker 2: this game fell right into the same trap. First of all,
Speaker 2: just from like a gameplay a matchup standpoint. Dallas is
Speaker 2: a aggressive attack minded defense. They're a ballhowking defense, and they
Speaker 2: are an aggressive front. We saw that it come full
Speaker 2: of fruition, and that's why you lost by thirty five points.
Speaker 2: So running the ball right at that Dallas is not
Speaker 2: the way to run the ball against them. We talked
Speaker 2: about this with the Cardinals, Like the Cardinals outflanked them,
Speaker 2: they changed the point of attack. They use misdirection, they
Speaker 2: use motion, and they outflanked Dallas. That's how you run
Speaker 2: the ball against Dallas. You don't run the ball against
Speaker 2: Dallas by running gap like duo right after right right like,
Speaker 2: That's not how you do it, because they attack the
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage and they come downhill at you, and
Speaker 2: they get penetration in the backfield and they blow runs
Speaker 2: up that way. You have to outflank Dallas and they
Speaker 2: didn't even try to do that really very well. And schematically,
Speaker 2: this run game, I don't think it's using the personnel
Speaker 2: to the best of its ability either, because Frankly, their
Speaker 2: tight ends can't block. Hunter Henry and Mikasiki are not
Speaker 2: blocking tight ends. They can't block. So why are we
Speaker 2: using Hunter Henry and mi Kasiki at the point of attack? Like,
Speaker 2: why are we running to the y tight end in
Speaker 2: this offense? They can't hold up at the point of attack.
Speaker 2: Mike Kasiki, you know, coming into like a little motion
Speaker 2: and and leading up through the B gap to try
Speaker 2: to kick out a two hundred and fifty pound linebacker.
Speaker 2: He can't do it. That's he's not winning that matchup.
Speaker 2: So you have to, you know, find ways to use
Speaker 2: them on the backside of runs and run away from
Speaker 2: the tight ends and use them, you know, out on
Speaker 2: the perimeter against safeties in corners where they might actually
Speaker 2: be able to win that matchup. Kaziki and Henry, anytime
Speaker 2: they are blocking a defensive end or a linebacker, they're
Speaker 2: losing that matchup every time. And you can't do that anymore.
Speaker 2: You have to figure out some different ways that this
Speaker 2: run game right now is not creative. It's bland, and
Speaker 2: they have to figure out they don't trust it. This
Speaker 2: scheme it up.
Speaker 1: But I think what's even worse is they don't trust it,
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 2: Don't blame them for not trusting it, okay, because they
Speaker 2: can't block it. Like, they can't block it.
Speaker 1: This team can't run the ball.
Speaker 2: They're not going anywhere that we're on the same page
Speaker 2: on that. I mean, that's the whole thing. And that's
Speaker 2: why I'm saying that they need to figure out the
Speaker 2: best way to use their personnel. This is not the
Speaker 2: best way to run the football with this personnel. And
Speaker 2: the reason why they've had to run out thirteen personnel
Speaker 2: all the time with three tight ends is because they
Speaker 2: can't block. So they have to add Pharaoh Brown into
Speaker 2: the mix, and then they have to have some sort
Speaker 2: of passing threat, so they have to have the other
Speaker 2: two tight ends out there with him, because if it's
Speaker 2: like twelve with Pharaoh Brown, then your real hotel. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's just not much to do there, and they need
Speaker 2: to figure out how to run the ball. Like if
Speaker 2: I had to sit here and say, I think we're
Speaker 2: both in agreement, you know, what's the way to fix this?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Like, what's the way to salvage it? I think is
Speaker 2: a better way of putting it than fix it. What's
Speaker 2: the way to salvage it? The way to salvage it
Speaker 2: is to get your offensive line in order and run
Speaker 2: the ball. And until they get more creative, until they
Speaker 2: get more imaginative in the run game, they're not going
Speaker 2: to be able to run the ball. They're just not
Speaker 2: because if they just try to hat on a hat
Speaker 2: come right at teams, they don't have the blockers to
Speaker 2: do it. And that's the bottom line.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a problem because that's how you pick up
Speaker 1: third and one, fourth and one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's probably why they don't trust their running
Speaker 2: game to do it.
Speaker 1: I would almost rather them go down swinging in that
Speaker 1: sense then keep going the tush push on fourth and two, which.
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying. I just I think if
Speaker 2: you're gonna go down swinging quote unquote, like you gotta
Speaker 2: be more creative with it. Okay, so let's start to
Speaker 2: get a jet sweep, can we get you know, some
Speaker 2: sort of disdirection can be you know, like there's just
Speaker 2: the point is is that you can't just especially against
Speaker 2: teams that have good fronts like Dallas does. The Saints
Speaker 2: have a good front two, but it's not quite as
Speaker 2: good as the teams they've played so far in the
Speaker 2: first month. I would say, maybe it's better than Miami's,
Speaker 2: but it's close in general. Like when you get to
Speaker 2: some of these games where you're not playing these ridiculously
Speaker 2: talented fronts, you know, against the Raiders for example in
Speaker 2: Vegas the week after this, like maybe those are our
Speaker 2: games that you can come right at those teams. Right
Speaker 2: in these games against the fronts that are that are
Speaker 2: better than your offensive line, which is a lot of
Speaker 2: teams at the moment, you have to be creative, like
Speaker 2: you can't just run right at them.
Speaker 1: So okay, that brings me to two personnel points.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow Douglas played eighteen snaps last week. A few wist
Speaker 1: of anybody but Time Montgomery, who we've also said, we
Speaker 1: want to see you more. But yeah, they ran the
Speaker 1: end around to tomorrow Douglas against the Jets. They did
Speaker 1: it in a key moment in the game. Where was
Speaker 1: that the other thing?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: All right, look, so you talk about getting the offensive
Speaker 1: line right, yep, and we can get into maybe Riley
Speaker 1: Reef coming back. But we were texting about this yesterday. It's
Speaker 1: our job to say, you know, kind of analyze this thing.
Speaker 1: And even if we're banging our head against the wall,
Speaker 1: I think it's time to bring this up. Evan, I
Speaker 1: said to you back in training camp, at what point
Speaker 1: do we have the con because best five, right, that's
Speaker 1: what you're talking about when you say get the offensive
Speaker 1: line in order, you're talking about getting figuring out your
Speaker 1: best five, getting the best five on the field.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: I said to you back in training camp, and this
Speaker 1: was an honest question at the time. How long can
Speaker 1: they go before they seriously have to have the micro
Speaker 1: and WNU at right tackle conversation? You said about three
Speaker 1: or four weeks if it looks bad in three or
Speaker 1: four weeks, spot on one. Now, as I bring this up,
Speaker 1: do I think there's any chance it happens? No, because
Speaker 1: I think if they were gonna do it, they would
Speaker 1: have done it already. Yeah, but we're not doing our jobs.
Speaker 1: If we sit here and don't don't say that it
Speaker 1: should be an option, because, yeah, you put him out there.
Speaker 1: Riley Reef looked good at right guard this summer when
Speaker 1: they moved him in there, he did. I actually think
Speaker 1: if you went on whenu Reef Andrews whoever left guard,
Speaker 1: col Strange if he's healthy at Tonio Maffi's not, and
Speaker 1: then Trent Brown. That's not a bad line. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and tell you they're great. But you
Speaker 1: you love to soccer. On this right you can cover
Speaker 1: up one spot. Yeah, if you're covering up left guard
Speaker 1: and that's your spot. And on Whenos holding down right
Speaker 1: tackle and Reef looks like he did at the summer
Speaker 1: and right guard, you might be okay.
Speaker 2: You can at least be able to like maybe run
Speaker 2: the ball a little bit better. Yes, Like Reef is
Speaker 2: not a great pass blocker at this point of his
Speaker 2: career because of his foot.
Speaker 1: Speed, but that's he mitigated at guard well. And he's
Speaker 1: also just like a tough guy, Like he's a hard nose,
Speaker 1: tough like road grading type of blocker.
Speaker 2: Maybe he can block a little bit. Yeah, look, I
Speaker 2: I think you absolutely have to have the on winning discussion.
Speaker 2: I thought Mafi was actually pretty good all things, which
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Makes it even more of a talking pain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think Mafi's got to be in there.
Speaker 2: I would at this point if you're just going off of.
Speaker 1: So then if if Riley Reef isn't ready to put
Speaker 1: Mafiat right guard strange at.
Speaker 2: Left, if you're just going off of the film, that
Speaker 2: we've seen so far, and I'm not, you know, not
Speaker 2: to take the the film last year for Cold Strange
Speaker 2: out of it, take the fact that he was a
Speaker 2: first round pick out of it. If you just asked
Speaker 2: me to grade Cole Strange versus Antonio Mafi, I'm taking Mafi.
Speaker 2: I'm taking Mafi. Yeah, I think he's better. I would
Speaker 2: go Trent at right, Trent from left to right, Trent,
Speaker 2: Mafy Andrews. Probably figure out whatever you can. Reef, you know,
Speaker 2: probably if Ree's healthy, i'd and then and then tackle.
Speaker 2: If you don't, if Reef's not ready, then maybe Strange
Speaker 2: still plays left guard and Mafi plays right guard, and
Speaker 2: you would put you wouldn't put out there. No, okay,
Speaker 2: I think he's still better than so okay, and I
Speaker 2: think that, like there is something to be said for
Speaker 2: the fact of like pulling a first round pick a
Speaker 2: year ago, like a right fair enough.
Speaker 1: But but but the point being like, and and you know,
Speaker 1: I don't we don't need to do too much of
Speaker 1: this because for whatever reason, it's not going to happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I still feel like we should bring it up
Speaker 1: because they probably should consider it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So that I didn't. I'm glad we
Speaker 2: we did this because I didn't want to, like, you know,
Speaker 2: everybody's leading with Mac in the quarterback situation before we
Speaker 2: get Nick on here, and like ten minutes or so,
Speaker 2: I do want to talk a little bit of Mac,
Speaker 2: And we're going to get to him, I'm sure, and
Speaker 2: studs and duds as well in the second hour of
Speaker 2: the show. But my whole thing with Mac is, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, first of all, the stuff that he put
Speaker 2: out there on Sunday is not not NFL caliber. No,
Speaker 2: he can't play that way and stay in the league
Speaker 2: and stay as a starter, I should say in the league,
Speaker 2: I am. You can make excuses for him in terms
Speaker 2: of the line. The offensive line right now Alex is
Speaker 2: dead last and pass blocking there's the thirty second ranked
Speaker 2: unit in pass blocking on in every metric. Yeah, they're
Speaker 2: the worst pass blocking line in the league. So you
Speaker 2: can make those excuses for him. You can make the
Speaker 2: excuses that he doesn't have a lot of firepower on
Speaker 2: the outside and skill positions and stuff like that. That's
Speaker 2: all valid and all true. That does an excuse doing
Speaker 2: what he did on Sunday. No, Like, you still have
Speaker 2: NFL guys around you. You still shouldn't be imploding like that.
Speaker 2: His second quarter was as bad of a football quarter
Speaker 2: as I've seen any quarterback play. I mean, bad play
Speaker 2: after bad play after. It wasn't just the turnovers like
Speaker 2: it was the other plays in that quarter that could
Speaker 2: have been turnovers or were just disaster plays as well.
Speaker 2: It's snowbottled him and he fell apart. I think the
Speaker 2: two biggest things that stand out that are you know,
Speaker 2: one is I'm willing to he corrects this week and
Speaker 2: it doesn't happen again, at least as badly as it
Speaker 2: did against Dallas.
Speaker 1: Is all the crazy like out of structure stuff across
Speaker 1: the body y, Yeah, like all.
Speaker 2: That decision making stuff that he did, you know, the
Speaker 2: back across the you know, the two throws across the field, Uh,
Speaker 2: the scrambling one on the right hand side where he
Speaker 2: basically threw it right to Dallas again and he just
Speaker 2: dropped the guy to drop the interception. Like those types
Speaker 2: of things. I don't think he's gonna do again.
Speaker 1: I'll say, if I was the coaching staff, I'd tell
Speaker 1: him I'd pull him if I saw one of those week,
Speaker 1: I would say, we'd rather you eat a twenty yard sack.
Speaker 1: We need to see that you're not going to be
Speaker 1: doing that because that's not NFL quarterback.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the thing I'm most concerned about, and
Speaker 2: this isn't toil. Like you know, people they always get
Speaker 2: on me for taking victory laps and things like that.
Speaker 2: I'm really not trying to do that. But in week one,
Speaker 2: you remember, Yeah, I came out and I said that
Speaker 2: I didn't think mac Jones played that great against the Eagles,
Speaker 2: and I broke down all of the like minut shows
Speaker 2: to why with his footwork and things like that, that
Speaker 2: I was concerned about how he played against Philadelphia despite
Speaker 2: the stat line, and I got attacked. Alex I got attacked.
Speaker 2: People were coming after me for it. They were like,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? You don't know ball? You
Speaker 2: threw for three hundred yards through for three dds, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2: I have seen mac Jones' footwork be crappy all season long.
Speaker 2: He has not been right with his feet all year long.
Speaker 2: He's thrown off his back foot, he's fading out of pockets,
Speaker 2: he's bailing out of pockets. He's not you know, his
Speaker 2: feet aren't pointed in the hallway right, you created the
Speaker 2: hallway of where you're going with the football. His feet
Speaker 2: aren't pointed in the right directions. His feet are an
Speaker 2: utterly gross mess right now. I don't think it was
Speaker 2: as bad in the first three games as it was
Speaker 2: on so of course it wasn't. But what my concern
Speaker 2: was is that I was starting to see these signs
Speaker 2: of his footwork falling apart, and I think the main
Speaker 2: thing that you have to look at is to me,
Speaker 2: the main thing is is that he can't survive this
Speaker 2: level playing like that. Yeah, his footwork can't be inconsistent
Speaker 2: like that. He can't, you know, be have happy feet
Speaker 2: in the pocket and you know, just be I don't
Speaker 2: even know what the word is, just unsettled in the pocket.
Speaker 2: He can't be those things because he doesn't have the
Speaker 2: arm talent to make up for it. And so what
Speaker 2: I saw against Philadelphia was you know, throws that were
Speaker 2: short into the sideline, throws over the middle of that
Speaker 2: needed more zip on them, and they were some of
Speaker 2: these were completed, yeah, but they were leaving yards on
Speaker 2: the field because they weren't completed as well as they
Speaker 2: could have been. And this game, it was all of
Speaker 2: that turned up to a life.
Speaker 1: I think you could see his decision making his mechanics
Speaker 1: fall apart in real time. He completely imploded. And look,
Speaker 1: it wasn't you kind of said to begin there wasn't
Speaker 1: going great around and the line was playing poorly. The
Speaker 1: receivers you're playing poorly. Your first round quarterback, your job
Speaker 1: is to elevate that group. Your job is say get
Speaker 1: behind me. We're going to clean this up. And it
Speaker 1: starts at me. And Mac has said that, like verbally,
Speaker 1: he said it at press conferences. Son was not a
Speaker 1: good example of that. They followed the body language of
Speaker 1: their quarterback through and through. Yeah, And it's just you
Speaker 1: could tell he You hear players talk a lot about,
Speaker 1: you know, how do you come back from a deficit.
Speaker 1: You can't make it all up in one play. You
Speaker 1: can't chase it all in one play. And that's what
Speaker 1: it felt like he was trying to do that whole game.
Speaker 1: He was trying to race it a fourteen, twenty twenty
Speaker 1: eight whatever it was point deficit in a single play
Speaker 1: on every single snap, and he's wheeling off his back
Speaker 1: foot and look, I thought early to get he was
Speaker 1: running around a lot. And that goes to the offensive line.
Speaker 1: I thought early early in that game, and I talked
Speaker 1: about how the first drive was promising. He did a
Speaker 1: good job of kind of moving around but still playing
Speaker 1: within himself. As soon as they missed that fourth and one,
Speaker 1: right that play with the fumble, Buddy, you got to
Speaker 1: know where you are on the field, Yeah, you gotta,
Speaker 1: and to be running around with the ball back there
Speaker 1: like the Mike Vick animation and mad No. Four which
Speaker 1: isn't real. He can't run around with the ball like
Speaker 1: that for real. And to do it on your own
Speaker 1: goal line, that's just trying to do too much. And
Speaker 1: I think from that point on, and that's why I
Speaker 1: go back to that play call, they failed that, and
Speaker 1: I think as a quarterback, as other offensive players. And
Speaker 1: this isn't to excuse Mac, but this is just to
Speaker 1: kind of prove that point. I would bet truth serum,
Speaker 1: you asked, Mac, did you panic after you didn't get
Speaker 1: that fourth down? I would bet he said. Yet he
Speaker 1: would say yes, and I think other players would say yes.
Speaker 1: And you could see it because that moment is where
Speaker 1: it wasn't even it was before the turnover. People pointed
Speaker 1: that turnover and say, oh, he turned the ball over
Speaker 1: once and fell apart. No, he fell apart when they
Speaker 1: didn't get the quarterback sneak. And I think some of
Speaker 1: that is probably, well, if we can't get this, we're
Speaker 1: in big trouble, and now I have to do things
Speaker 1: I don't usually do, and Mac, there's a reason you
Speaker 1: don't usually do them, it's because he can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe I also think that in some ways, and
Speaker 2: in both of the turnovers actually kind of in the
Speaker 2: first half speak to this, he hit the throw to
Speaker 2: pop Douglas out of structure, and then I think he thought, oh,
Speaker 2: I pulled it off one time, right, And then on
Speaker 2: the second interception on the pick six, he hit that
Speaker 2: throat hit earlier, and I wonder if he had like
Speaker 2: a false sense of security of like, oh, well, maybe
Speaker 2: I can pull these off today, you know. I think
Speaker 2: it's both.
Speaker 1: I think it's a sense of panic that leads him
Speaker 1: to make these those plays and then they happen to
Speaker 1: hit and then it's like, let me go back to that.
Speaker 2: So I think the biggest thing though, in terms of
Speaker 2: moving forward and the best thing that I could say
Speaker 2: like for Mac and the best advice that I hope
Speaker 2: the coaching staff and Bill O'Brien and Evan Rostein and
Speaker 2: those guys are giving him is relocating in the pocket?
Speaker 2: Is your best friend? Yeah, you he's not. He's not
Speaker 2: a mobile quarterback. He's not a mobile quarterback. He shouldn't
Speaker 2: be trying to get outside the pocket. He shouldn't be
Speaker 2: trying to scramble. He shouldn't be trying to create out
Speaker 2: of structure. He needs to play, like he said yesterday,
Speaker 2: he needs to play within the scheme, right, within the
Speaker 2: framework of the offense. So what what I've always had
Speaker 2: reservations about with Mac and like canns about with the
Speaker 2: way that he plays, is that he doesn't have that
Speaker 2: Brady pocket movement gene where he can move and like
Speaker 2: short bursts in the pocket. So if your left guard
Speaker 2: is getting beat, and I'm not like picking on Mafi,
Speaker 2: I'm just using it as an example, maybe the right
Speaker 2: tackle would have been a better example in this case.
Speaker 2: If your right tackle is getting beat, but the other
Speaker 2: four fifths of the line have created a pocket, you
Speaker 2: have to be able to maneuver to find the air
Speaker 2: space right like right, Just take a little step to
Speaker 2: the left and a little step up and do it
Speaker 2: quickly and then reset your feet and make a throw.
Speaker 2: He doesn't. He he has two things. He either bails
Speaker 2: on the pocket or he throws off his back foot
Speaker 2: and just stands there and take it and takes the hit.
Speaker 2: And he's got to learn because of the fact that
Speaker 2: he needs to throw from that sturdy base and that
Speaker 2: sturdy platform with his feet set, he's got to learn
Speaker 2: how to make those Brady Jedi like movements in the
Speaker 2: pocket and have that sense of the pressure and where
Speaker 2: is the clean air space and where are are am
Speaker 2: I protected? And where am I not protected? Because bailing
Speaker 2: on the pocket can't be an option for him because
Speaker 2: he's not gonna create yards with his legs, And throwing
Speaker 2: off his back foot can't be an option for him
Speaker 2: because he's not gonna be able to put enough mustard
Speaker 2: on the throws to.
Speaker 1: Make the well, no quarterright period, no quarterbacktually thrown off
Speaker 1: their back foot. That's like Patrick Mahomes can throw off
Speaker 1: his back Again, we've established this.
Speaker 2: He's not as good as Patrick. I'm not saying that.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that like those types of guys can do
Speaker 2: that type of stuff. He's got to learn how to
Speaker 2: work within what he's his skill set is and if
Speaker 2: he doesn't need like move off his spots a little bit. Sometimes.
Speaker 2: You know, there's one play where Michaeh Parsons yet he
Speaker 2: comes up the middle and he's and he's coming through,
Speaker 2: but David Andrews gets just enough of him to like
Speaker 2: knock Parsons off his track just a little bit, and
Speaker 2: all Mack has to do is step to his right,
Speaker 2: reset and make a throw, and instead he just lets
Speaker 2: Parsons hit him right. And so that those little things
Speaker 2: like the maneuvering of the pocket and finding the clean
Speaker 2: air and you know, resetting your base and you know,
Speaker 2: a little quick move to the left and reset, those
Speaker 2: are the types of things that pocket quarterbacks need to master.
Speaker 2: If you're gonna be a really good pocket quarterback, and
Speaker 2: especially one that doesn't have a big arm, you have
Speaker 2: to be able to reset your base and make throws
Speaker 2: like that where you're not you're not scrambling, you're just
Speaker 2: moving like an inch here inch there in the pocket.
Speaker 2: If he can't figure out how to do that, then
Speaker 2: this is how it's gonna look like, not as bad
Speaker 2: as it is on Sunday, but like for the first
Speaker 2: month of this season, this is how it's gonna look,
Speaker 2: he's made some good throws staring down the barrel right
Speaker 2: like guys are coming at him, and he's made some
Speaker 2: good throws. But he's got to figure out how to
Speaker 2: make those little subtle movements in the pocket. I haven't
Speaker 2: really seen him do that at this level, at a
Speaker 2: high level regularly. I haven't really seen him have that
Speaker 2: type of pocket movement. And he's got to figure out
Speaker 2: how to do that because he's got to throw with
Speaker 2: his feet set. He has to throw on time and
Speaker 2: with his feet set, So you have to figure out
Speaker 2: ways to work around that. I don't think you know,
Speaker 2: And I thought Billy Oh said it perfectly when he
Speaker 2: said it was uncharacteristic of him to make some of
Speaker 2: the decisions that he made in that game. Spot on.
Speaker 2: It was there. No one's like thinking that Mac Jones
Speaker 2: gonna throw across the field and throw pick sixes like
Speaker 2: he did on Sunday all the time. It was and
Speaker 2: characteristic of him. But the little throws here and there
Speaker 2: that he missed in that game were because of his
Speaker 2: footwork and his pocket movement. Yeah, all right, we're gonna
Speaker 2: get Nick underhill here on the line in the second.
Speaker 2: So I don't want to get too much off on
Speaker 2: anything else. But I think the other couple of things
Speaker 2: in this game that were obviously troubling were the injuries.
Speaker 2: But the Patriots did make a trade for J. C. Jackson, Yes,
Speaker 2: and I did want to get to that. And I
Speaker 2: think the trade for j. C. Jackson, we went over
Speaker 2: the whole tanking thing and things like that, So I
Speaker 2: understand that, you know, some people want to don't see
Speaker 2: the point of trading for J. C. Jackson, But who's
Speaker 2: out of practice today? And I really like this move.
Speaker 2: I think that they had to do something to remain
Speaker 2: competitive on defense, and this move puts it there. And
Speaker 2: we'll get to that in a second, though, because I
Speaker 2: don't want to leave Nick on hold for too long.
Speaker 2: So let's talk a little bit of Saints. Let's let's
Speaker 2: transition to the Saints, and we got Nick Underhill from
Speaker 2: NOLA dot Football here on the line. Nick, how's it going, man?
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3: Hey doing well?
Speaker 2: How you guys doing good? Good? So I think the
Speaker 2: you know, the first question that I had for you,
Speaker 2: Nick is actually, you know, I always find it interesting
Speaker 2: how other teams viewed the Patriots, right, Like, how do
Speaker 2: you look at the Patriots right now in the state
Speaker 2: that they're in, and we just, you know, kind of
Speaker 2: bashed them for the last forty five minutes of our
Speaker 2: show after Sunday's game. But what is what is like
Speaker 2: the conversations down in New Orleans right now about this
Speaker 2: game on Sunday.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, there's always the Patriots mystique, and I'm
Speaker 3: sure that's kind of imished a little bit more for
Speaker 3: people that are closer to the team, but I think
Speaker 3: from a distance there's still there's still that, you know,
Speaker 3: there's still the reference for what they are and what
Speaker 3: they were and who Bill Belichick is and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: But I mean, look, I mean they're they're kind of
Speaker 3: in a rough spot on offense, and I mean I
Speaker 3: think that's acknowledged, But so were the Saints. You know,
Speaker 3: they're kind of like weirdly parallel right now, where there's
Speaker 3: just these like totally atrocious offenses. I think the thing
Speaker 3: that maybe gives the Saints a little bit more hope
Speaker 3: than probably what the Patriots have is that you look
Speaker 3: around and there's actually talented players that you assume will
Speaker 3: eventually get things going a little bit. But you know,
Speaker 3: I don't think they're taking the Patriots lately at all,
Speaker 3: even though they're catching them at a time when they're
Speaker 3: pretty banged up and they just lost their two best
Speaker 3: players and all that stuff. But I mean, Belichick's still Belichick. Man.
Speaker 3: That name carries cachet probably further away than it does
Speaker 3: that right now, but it's definitely still there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wanted to ask you about the offense too,
Speaker 2: because you just said I think the one difference as
Speaker 2: I've looked at the Saints is that they got Chris Alave.
Speaker 2: You know, Calvin al Alvin Kamara's coming back or Shahid, right,
Speaker 2: I am saying I always mess that name up for
Speaker 2: some reason, but he's an explosive player, and Michael Thomas
Speaker 2: is back. Like That's the one thing that you could
Speaker 2: say about New Orleans to me is that they do
Speaker 2: have some weapons down there. And what's been the problem
Speaker 2: with the offense though, because here in New England obviously
Speaker 2: it's not quite that you can't really sit here and say, well,
Speaker 2: they could get it together because they have Chris Alave,
Speaker 2: you know, if you catch my drift.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think it's three things. I mean, their
Speaker 3: their offensive line was was absolutely brutal, the first two
Speaker 3: maybe three weeks of the season, I think you could say,
Speaker 3: I mean that they weren't blocking anyone, like they were
Speaker 3: losing one on ones. They kind of got it together
Speaker 3: this week, so I think that there's tigns of hope,
Speaker 3: and you should assume that they're going to eventually get
Speaker 3: it together because I mean, you go across the board
Speaker 3: and they got three first round picks started in the
Speaker 3: second round pick start, and a first round pick on
Speaker 3: the bench. I mean, they should be good at uh
Speaker 3: at blocking out. There's just been so much resource spent there.
Speaker 3: And Doug Maroon's the coach. I mean, he's a former
Speaker 3: head coach in the league twice. I mean, so they
Speaker 3: have the players that have the coaching. I think last
Speaker 3: week we saw a corner turned, and I'm inclined to
Speaker 3: believe it just based on some of that stuff. You know.
Speaker 3: The other thing is that I think Derek Carr's kind
Speaker 3: of underwhelmed a little bit. You know, obviously he's just
Speaker 3: kind of like a like a league average quarterback, but
Speaker 3: I think he's probably been a little bit subpar so far.
Speaker 3: Lack of chemistry, some slow decisions, just not really what
Speaker 3: you expected to see. To start the season, and then
Speaker 3: the last thing is is and look, I'm not someone
Speaker 3: that ever comes after coaching really like I just never
Speaker 3: really feel comfortable doing it. It's it's always feels like
Speaker 3: like a half day criticism. But their play calling I
Speaker 3: think has been legitimately atrocious to the point like where
Speaker 3: you can see stuff happening in real time and just
Speaker 3: kind of you're scratching your head at the things they're doing,
Speaker 3: just in terms of like how they're attacking certain coverages,
Speaker 3: how they're using their personnel. Like it's just there's a
Speaker 3: lot of nonsensical things happening right now. I did an
Speaker 3: interview with Alvin Kamara yesterday. He didn't like directly call
Speaker 3: it out, but if you read between the lines, like
Speaker 3: it was seven minutes of saying like, hey, like we
Speaker 3: got to be better at play calling. So it's definitely
Speaker 3: a thing that they're looking at. Dennis Allen spoke on
Speaker 3: it this week that that, you know, Pete Carmichael Junior
Speaker 3: needs to do a better job beyondsive coordinator. So I mean,
Speaker 3: it's it's definitely not coming together as expected, but you know,
Speaker 3: as you said, I think the players are there for
Speaker 3: it to eventually turn around. It should turn around, and
Speaker 3: if it doesn't, I mean, I really do think this
Speaker 3: is a situation where, you know, if it's if it's
Speaker 3: the same, they play the Patriots this week, Houston next week.
Speaker 3: If you don't see improvement over the next two weeks,
Speaker 3: you know, I could see a change occurrent here.
Speaker 2: All Right.
Speaker 1: I got to ask you about Derek Carr, and I
Speaker 1: know you know how tough it can sometimes be to
Speaker 1: follow the storylines of other teams when you're trying to
Speaker 1: cover a game. So last week, so first of all,
Speaker 1: so Derek Carr sprained the AC joint his right children.
Speaker 1: This is like the same injury that you know Jimmy
Speaker 1: Garoppolo quarterbacks have missed time with right Yeah.
Speaker 3: He's frayed the ac joint. He didn't practice like the
Speaker 3: whole week last week, came back on Friday through, looked okay,
Speaker 3: went in the game, and I mean there were a
Speaker 3: couple of throws where I thought he definitely looked like
Speaker 3: he was injured a little bit. I mean, he tried
Speaker 3: to go down the field to Alave once underthrew him,
Speaker 3: tried to go down to Alave again, under throw them again,
Speaker 3: like they were just like a handful of things they
Speaker 3: were trying to attack to the flats. It was really
Speaker 3: really ugly. I mean that their top two tight ends
Speaker 3: were out of the game, and when you're trying to
Speaker 3: run screens behind Jimmy Graham, I mean, it's just probably
Speaker 3: not gonna work. So I mean that that's kind of
Speaker 3: where they were at with it, and it was just
Speaker 3: kind of a really ugly looking game. You know, he's
Speaker 3: looked okay this week in practice, we're we see like
Speaker 3: it slightly more than you guys do out of these sessions.
Speaker 3: Like we see like the first fifteen minutes you see
Speaker 3: routes on air and then like there's there's sometimes like
Speaker 3: a little bit of like a red zone period that
Speaker 3: you get to see, so like there's a little bit
Speaker 3: more of a sampling, and he's looked okay. You know,
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be He's gonna start obviously this week.
Speaker 3: You know, I do think it is it is an
Speaker 3: issue though, like it but they're shooting it up and
Speaker 3: he's playing through it. And you know, he did throw
Speaker 3: a ball like fifty yards through the air last week.
Speaker 3: Again it was a little under thrown, but like he's
Speaker 3: not super limited that he is a little bit limited.
Speaker 1: So and just to kind of tighten that, you just
Speaker 1: talked about the play calling, Like I'm looking at it.
Speaker 1: Twenty three pass completions for one hundred and twenty seven yards, right,
Speaker 1: you just said he could throw a ball down the field.
Speaker 1: But is this something you believe that to any extent
Speaker 1: they have to call around right now?
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just the last game was crazy. He
Speaker 3: threw thirty seven passes an average three point four yards
Speaker 3: a completion. Like I've never seen anything like that in
Speaker 3: like my entire it was. It was unbelievable to watch.
Speaker 3: It was just look, I mean it's a little bit
Speaker 3: like I think they got a coach around it a
Speaker 3: little bit to an extent. But I mean there's just
Speaker 3: also things like if you go break down this film,
Speaker 3: like you want to rip out your hair a little bit,
Speaker 3: like they're doing things like there's just nothing over the
Speaker 3: middle like at all, Like they're just like attacking to
Speaker 3: the outside, like you're going against like cover two middle
Speaker 3: of the fields open. There's there's not even routes like
Speaker 3: going up the middle of the field, Like you aren't
Speaker 3: even bluffing how you should be attacking some of these coverages,
Speaker 3: like you know, cover three, Like there's that hole behind
Speaker 3: the linebacker in the safety, like you should have people
Speaker 3: running routes through there, Like there's no routes going through there.
Speaker 3: So it's it's play calling, and I think cars just
Speaker 3: not executed well. Like he's been terrible in the red zone,
Speaker 3: which is which has been you know, kind of the
Speaker 3: story of his whole career. That was the thing coming
Speaker 3: out of Vegas that that you know, he just wasn't
Speaker 3: good in the red zone. I think there are three
Speaker 3: for twelve this year in the red zone. It's not
Speaker 3: been good. You know. Some of the throws down there
Speaker 3: have been like a little bit panicky. Sometimes he's holding
Speaker 3: the ball a little bit too long. On the play
Speaker 3: he got injured on, I think he was like trusting
Speaker 3: his blocking maybe, so I don't totally fault him, but
Speaker 3: if you go back and look at it, it's like, damn,
Speaker 3: you could have got rid of that ball and maybe
Speaker 3: avoided a hit. Uh. You know. So there's just a
Speaker 3: few things where where it's just sometimes a little bit slow,
Speaker 3: sometimes a little bit of a lack of chemistry. But
Speaker 3: I don't think they're doing enough to help them, Like
Speaker 3: with the play call, and I mean there's the spacing
Speaker 3: on some of their their routes, like they just it
Speaker 3: doesn't make sense. It's sloppy. You got people ended up
Speaker 3: in the same place on the field. There was an
Speaker 3: incompletion at the end of the Green Bay game. Jamis
Speaker 3: was a quarterback, but you have Chris A. Love and
Speaker 3: Mike Thomas ended up in the exact same spot. And like,
Speaker 3: these are things that that we used to see, like
Speaker 3: Sean Payton just like hammering them to the point that
Speaker 3: it was like ridiculous about just the proper spacing on splits,
Speaker 3: Like he would respit like reset somebody like and tell
Speaker 3: them to move over six inches. And he was right though,
Speaker 3: Like it's what needed to happen for the play to
Speaker 3: work right, for the time to work right, for everybody
Speaker 3: done up in the right places. And like, I just
Speaker 3: think like some of those like super hard details have
Speaker 3: gone to the wayside a little bit, you know, with
Speaker 3: Carmenical taken over and it's it's a little bit of
Speaker 3: it's just kind of like a little bit of everything underwhelming.
Speaker 3: But I think all it takes is one week and
Speaker 3: it could click. But the thing with Carmichael is last
Speaker 3: year it was underwhelming. This year it's underwhelming. Like you're
Speaker 3: just kind of starting to get to the point where
Speaker 3: it's like maybe this is just who he is and
Speaker 3: it's not going to get significantly better.
Speaker 2: That sounds kind of familiar. Yeah, the spacing and things
Speaker 2: like that was definitely eerily similar. I was like, that's,
Speaker 2: you know, that's how the Patriots were for twenty years,
Speaker 2: and that hasn't been how it's been for you know,
Speaker 2: two or three now. I want to move over to
Speaker 2: the defense, though, because that is for both teams, really
Speaker 2: the strength of their team. I wanted to talk about
Speaker 2: the secondary in New Orleans though. You know, obviously we
Speaker 2: know Lattimore, we know Honey Badger, Tyron Matthew, but some
Speaker 2: of these other guys like Isaac Gideam and some of
Speaker 2: these other players are starting to step up for them
Speaker 2: and they've been a really good pass defense. What have
Speaker 2: you seen from those guys?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so A Lottimore has been I think he's probably
Speaker 3: playing the best he's played in his career. Mike Evans
Speaker 3: got him place last week, so I mean that's usually
Speaker 3: a matchup to a Lottimore wins. He he definitely lost
Speaker 3: that one. And then Evans got hurt. But he's been
Speaker 3: really good. He's proud, like the thak with Latimer is
Speaker 3: like throughout his career, like he hasn't been like a
Speaker 3: good practicer. He wasn't serious of practice. I don't think,
Speaker 3: you know. And that's changed over the last couple of years.
Speaker 3: There's a maturation to his game and he looks really
Speaker 3: really good so far this year. And Tyron Matthew I
Speaker 3: think is playing better this year than he did last
Speaker 3: year as well, Like coming into the season last year
Speaker 3: that he had something going on in his personal life.
Speaker 3: He left her in camp, he came back. It just
Speaker 3: kind of took it a little while to settle in
Speaker 3: and get going, build chemistry and all that. Once it clicked,
Speaker 3: it clicked though, and he was good the second half
Speaker 3: of the year. But he's looked really good to start
Speaker 3: the season. The other stafety Marcus May he's serving a suspension.
Speaker 3: He'll be out this week. His backup Jordan Howden, was
Speaker 3: out last week. That's a rookie fits round pack. He's
Speaker 3: been pretty solid. He should be back this week, but
Speaker 3: he's playing through yet hand surgery, so his hand will
Speaker 3: probably be club so I don't know. Turnover potential is
Speaker 3: probably pretty low at that spot. The other qurnerback you
Speaker 3: mentioned Aasak Yeadham. He started the last two weeks. There
Speaker 3: was an injury to Pulsing a Deevo Pussing and Debos
Speaker 3: should be back and playing in that spot. The atom
Speaker 3: has been awesome, so it's gonna be interesting to see.
Speaker 3: Like Devo's a very physical corner, but he can definitely
Speaker 3: be exploited. Uh, he likes to He's kind of like gravy.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of p I penalties, so that that's
Speaker 3: you know, something that that could potentially be exploited. Double
Speaker 3: moves is something that I would run a lot about him.
Speaker 3: And then the guy in the slot, Alante Taylor. So
Speaker 3: much energy, so much passion, tons of talent, tons of upside,
Speaker 3: unbelievable athleticism, plays out of control sometimes and you know
Speaker 3: sometimes in the run game there's there's mistackles. He's new
Speaker 3: to the slot this year, definitely still learning it. And
Speaker 3: you know there's ups and there's downs. When he flashes
Speaker 3: like he flashes like nobody else, and when he gets beat,
Speaker 3: he gets beat like nobody else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and two other just you know more veteran guys
Speaker 2: on that defense. First of all, I'm glad that Tomrio
Speaker 2: Davis is finally starting to get some national attention as
Speaker 2: one of the time linebackers in the NFL. He's the
Speaker 2: type of guy that I think could really ruin this
Speaker 2: game for the Patriots the way you know, how aggressive
Speaker 2: he is and things like that. You know, what is
Speaker 2: what has been, you know, the key to his ascension though,
Speaker 2: to getting on more of like a national stage, if
Speaker 2: you will.
Speaker 3: It's surprising me that people are just kind of paying
Speaker 3: attention to him. And it's funny. He was like, I
Speaker 3: think a second team All Pro and had never made
Speaker 3: the Pro Bowl yet because like fans just never heard
Speaker 3: about it. I don't understand it. He's been incredible though,
Speaker 3: and you know, it's funny that people are catching up
Speaker 3: to him now because like he was, he was probably
Speaker 3: better two years ago. Like he's just he he had
Speaker 3: this like back half of his career here that was
Speaker 3: just it's just been unbelievable. And you know, he's getting
Speaker 3: a little bit older, but he's just so smart and
Speaker 3: so anticipatory that it doesn't it doesn't matter. Like he's
Speaker 3: seems like he's still improving a little bit like in
Speaker 3: that aspect. But he's he's just great at everything. He's
Speaker 3: incredibly sound. He's he's solid and coverage, they can use
Speaker 3: him as a blitzer. They like to use them as blitzer.
Speaker 3: He's really good at that. He's just he's just such
Speaker 3: a cerebral player. And you know, he's he's the guy
Speaker 3: calling stuff out before it happens all the time. Like
Speaker 3: he's just he's he's just really really good, really really sound.
Speaker 3: You don't really see him make too many mistakes. He
Speaker 3: missed the tackle against Green Bay, but I mean it's
Speaker 3: like one mistake that that, you know, the whole season.
Speaker 3: He's just such a good player, and yeah, he deserves
Speaker 3: all the recognition. It's it's too bad, man, Like if
Speaker 3: he was a few years younger, Like he's someone that
Speaker 3: could potentially have like a Hall of Fame case, but
Speaker 3: he just got off to such a slow start with
Speaker 3: the Jets, and it took him a little while to
Speaker 3: kind of like he's talked a lot about like like
Speaker 3: how how he had to learn out of the study
Speaker 3: and all this stuff, and like once he finally figured
Speaker 3: it all out, like he became like a truly truly
Speaker 3: incredible player, one of the best linebackers in the league,
Speaker 3: no doubt.
Speaker 2: So it's funny.
Speaker 1: I actually wanted to ask you about another linebacker. Pete
Speaker 1: Warner was a guy me and Evan both really liked
Speaker 1: coming out of the draft a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: And it seems like he's kind of started to hit
Speaker 1: his stride this year. What have you seen from him?
Speaker 3: Yeah, another one. Really good, really good, Like his range
Speaker 3: is awesome. Me, he's really good in coverage. He kind
Speaker 3: of makes every single tackle. He's just he's all over
Speaker 3: the place. Not not like a flashy player, but just
Speaker 3: kind of, you know, very like you know, you'll look
Speaker 3: up and all of a sudden he has, you know,
Speaker 3: twelve tackles in the game. It's like, damn, Like he's
Speaker 3: just he's just really really good, really sounds, you know,
Speaker 3: And yeah, I think he keeps getting better. And he's
Speaker 3: someone too that that's starting to be us a little
Speaker 3: bit more. As a blitzer. They'd like to use their
Speaker 3: linebackers like in these blitz packages a lot. Like on
Speaker 3: third downs, they played three down defensive lineman and they
Speaker 3: go to their dime package and they send the fourth
Speaker 3: Usually it's usually a linebacker you don't know where it's
Speaker 3: coming from. Though, Kayden ellis they got it that went
Speaker 3: to Atlanta last offseason, was kind of the primary blitzer
Speaker 3: last year, so like Werner and Davis has been sparingly
Speaker 3: using it a little bit this year. But that that's
Speaker 3: something that I expect to see ramp up a little
Speaker 3: bit and Werner's Werner's been getting a little bit more
Speaker 3: action in those types of looks too.
Speaker 1: All right, one moreph you, nick I got I gotta
Speaker 1: get a special teams question in here. Rashid shi Heat's
Speaker 1: been you mentioned him on, but he's been one of
Speaker 1: the best returners in football already, has to punt this year.
Speaker 1: We've seen the Patriots special team struggle at times this year,
Speaker 1: like where's the threat with him? And is he a
Speaker 1: guy that they could make an impact in that area
Speaker 1: this week?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, every time he gets the ball. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's definitely a threat. I mean he's just great vision,
Speaker 3: just just sees the field really well and incredibly explosive
Speaker 3: gets down the field. I'm surprised to hear that's Patriots
Speaker 3: special teams are struggling because that's usually like the calling
Speaker 3: card for them. But yeah, she is, she has been.
Speaker 3: He's a great returner, definitely a threat every single time.
Speaker 3: I try to keep the ball away from him if
Speaker 3: I could. You know, it's funny because like the Saints
Speaker 3: are one of those teams too, like Patriots that put
Speaker 3: a lot in special teams. They got J. C. Gray
Speaker 3: the gunner. He's kind of Verry Slater ish, like a
Speaker 3: difference maker the Patriot or the Saints. Hunter has been
Speaker 3: pretty bad. There's not a lot of consistency there, so
Speaker 3: that that's something that if the Patriots need to get right,
Speaker 3: they might have an opportunity there at some point. But yeah,
Speaker 3: he's definitely something that can break.
Speaker 2: The game open, all right, Nick, So last one, I
Speaker 2: promise that just what is your pick in this game?
Speaker 2: And like, if you're the Patriots, I would say, is
Speaker 2: a better question to phrase this? How would you attack
Speaker 2: this this Saints defense in particular, I think the offense
Speaker 2: against the Patriots defense doesn't worries fans as much up
Speaker 2: here as going against that Saints defense. How would you
Speaker 2: attack the Saints defense if you were the Patriots.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, my pick, my only pick that I
Speaker 3: feel good about is the under forty points. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know if these teams are going to score
Speaker 3: twenty points. It might be a race to seventeen. If
Speaker 3: I had to pick one team, I hate to make
Speaker 3: the Homer pick here, but I mean I would probably
Speaker 3: go with the Saints just because I think they have
Speaker 3: a little bit more offensive talent and it's just kind
Speaker 3: of like maybe maybe last week was a wake up call,
Speaker 3: you know, attacking this defense. They're down to safety, you know.
Speaker 3: I would try to get vertical on whatever side of
Speaker 3: the field Jordan Howden's on and just kind of see
Speaker 3: where that's at. I would attack the slot because, like
Speaker 3: I said, I think Alante Taylor is someone that can
Speaker 3: be you know, he he gave up like ten catches
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago, I think against Carolina. So
Speaker 3: that's that's one place i'd try to go with it.
Speaker 3: I'd run double move to the debo and eventually you're
Speaker 3: gonna get a key I down the field and get
Speaker 3: a free play. Like so, there's just a handful of
Speaker 3: things that I think you can do against their secondary
Speaker 3: and just try to try to see where the soft
Speaker 3: spots are. The one thing I definitely wouldn't do is
Speaker 3: throw the ball at a lot of more. It's just tough,
Speaker 3: but look, they're gonna disguise their coverages. So I mean
Speaker 3: Mac needs to be you know, I I've only looked
Speaker 3: a little bit. It seems like he's had some trouble
Speaker 3: with teams that do that well. And that's one of
Speaker 3: the things that that this defense does really really well.
Speaker 3: They'll hold their look until the very last second and
Speaker 3: they'll make you know, they'll give you a quarters look
Speaker 3: and it'll turn into cover three and you know, if
Speaker 3: you aren't reading that like through the snap like you're
Speaker 3: gonna make a mistake. So they just need to be
Speaker 3: very very aware of what their safeties are doing and
Speaker 3: what coverage is there.
Speaker 2: And absolutely awesome and I guess we'll see you on Sunday. Yeah, yes, sir,
Speaker 2: well awesome. Thanks next, safe travels. Thanks for calling in.
Speaker 2: I think you too. So yeah, I think that's a
Speaker 2: great point about what he brings up. And as we
Speaker 2: kind of segue here a little bit and more more
Speaker 2: of the Saints about Dennis Allen's defense, you know, watching
Speaker 2: them against the Bucks and uh this season so far,
Speaker 2: you got to look at you know, their their stats
Speaker 2: of like coverages that they use and and rushes that
Speaker 2: they they they throw the kitchen sink at a quarterback
Speaker 2: right like there, they spend the dial, they play one
Speaker 2: high two high man zone, they play a lot of
Speaker 2: a lot of man to man coverage, which we know
Speaker 2: the Patriots have had trouble with. And then their third
Speaker 2: down package is very patriot like. Well they'll put you know,
Speaker 2: five six guys up on the line of scrimmage and
Speaker 2: they only send four, but you don't know which four
Speaker 2: are coming, so you have to decipher all of that
Speaker 2: post snap. That's a great point by by Nick there
Speaker 2: about that's that's some of the stuff that I just
Speaker 2: laid out, you know, the disguising, the pressure man to
Speaker 2: man like that, that's the kryptonite for the Patriots offense
Speaker 2: so far. So the under as he as he said,
Speaker 2: is is a good pick here. Let's let's clear some
Speaker 2: of these phone calls out and a lot of people
Speaker 2: have been waiting on hold for a long time, and
Speaker 2: we appreciate that, and then we'll we'll get into some
Speaker 2: of the other things we wanted to discuss. But Christian
Speaker 2: is in start with Patty actually has been on hold longer.
Speaker 2: What's up, Patty?
Speaker 5: If you're still there, Hey, you guys will see me
Speaker 5: on Sunday too. I'll be at the stadium like that.
Speaker 5: Oh right, they You know what, though, I don't know
Speaker 5: what to expect.
Speaker 3: I really don't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I bet, I bet the delete stadiums are not
Speaker 4: the left. But I've been to fox for us in
Speaker 4: the game seven of these times, guys in my life,
Speaker 4: and the only time they've ever lost was back in
Speaker 4: ninety five when they played the Brontos. And know anything
Speaker 4: about John Elway, he never lost the paper or for
Speaker 4: the Bengals in his career. And you know, part of
Speaker 4: me likes to think that I'd like to keep micro
Speaker 4: Buck Street going, you know, just selfishly and egoistically. But
Speaker 4: part of me thinks that, like, damn, maybe with all this,
Speaker 4: you know, with all of our cornerbacks hurt. I know,
Speaker 4: we just picked up JC, But like all the top
Speaker 4: of the run guys out of this game and all
Speaker 4: the potential firepower that the Saints have, I might, I
Speaker 4: might see another thirty seven to three games. Because that
Speaker 4: was the final score to that Broncos game. I hope
Speaker 4: that I do have a little bit of faith that
Speaker 4: Matt's going to pull his head out of his rear
Speaker 4: end and hopefully play a decent game.
Speaker 3: Hopefully play with instructure.
Speaker 4: But I'll tell you what the defense I'm with the
Speaker 4: lot to dot on with obviously the Dallas and the
Speaker 4: other two Vielins is not being on the field.
Speaker 3: It really worries me.
Speaker 4: Guys, give me some hope, Alex, give me some hope.
Speaker 2: Baby, Thanks for the call. Patty is always and have
Speaker 2: fun at the game, I hopefully. I don't think the
Speaker 2: Patriots are gonna lose this game and a blowout. But
Speaker 2: I thought what Nick also said about that this Saints offense,
Speaker 2: I think it's different from the Patriots offense, even though
Speaker 2: they're their production is very similar and that being not good.
Speaker 2: I think the difference is is that the Saints have
Speaker 2: some pieces offensively, they just haven't really pointed to all
Speaker 2: the pieces in the right direction. And Derek Carr, I
Speaker 2: think it's Brady made it look so easy that you know,
Speaker 2: some people forget Derek Carr was in Vegas, I guess now,
Speaker 2: but with the Raiders for like a decade and then
Speaker 2: he has to come to a completely new system, a
Speaker 2: completely new area, like move coast to coast and like
Speaker 2: there's a transition period there. But when you look at
Speaker 2: the Saints roster offensively, they have some first round picks
Speaker 2: on their offensive line. They have Chris Olava on the outside,
Speaker 2: who's a great receiver and still is playing well, even
Speaker 2: though the Saints offense as a whole isn't. Alvin Kamara
Speaker 2: is back now after his suspension. There's just there's more
Speaker 2: pieces on that side of the ball. So my fear
Speaker 2: of this game is that is that the Saints are
Speaker 2: going to finally figure it out a little bit offensively
Speaker 2: and they're going to get some things rolling on that
Speaker 2: side of the ball. And I don't think the Patriots,
Speaker 2: even against New Orleans, they don't have the firepower that
Speaker 2: New Orleans has. If this ends up being a game
Speaker 2: that does get into let's say the twenties versus a
Speaker 2: game that we're all picking, which would be like a
Speaker 2: rock fight in the teams, right. I think with car too,
Speaker 2: there's the thing about his shoulder, Like you mentioned that
Speaker 2: he's got to come in, he's got to learn new offense,
Speaker 2: and now he's struggling to throw the ball. He can't
Speaker 2: throw the ball deep, which is something they probably wanted
Speaker 2: to do. Yeah, So yeah, he actually is a most
Speaker 2: of his career, he's been a pretty good deep ball thrower. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like that's not you know, he doesn't have this big
Speaker 2: cannon in terms of like driving the ball into tight windows.
Speaker 2: At the intermediate level, I've never really thought of him
Speaker 2: as like a great anticipatory passer over the middle of
Speaker 2: the field. But deep balls, he's usually been pretty good
Speaker 2: at that. And h and yeah, I guess at that shoulder.
Speaker 2: He's zero for five on deep passes last last week.
Speaker 1: So that that's what I'm interested in with this game,
Speaker 1: is just that. Because Bill even said earlier this week, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, good deep ball team, you got to be
Speaker 1: ready for it. Yeah, is that something they can do?
Speaker 1: I I would you have a quarterback with a with
Speaker 1: a bad shoulder injury. Most guys don't play through. I
Speaker 1: would make him put as much as he can on
Speaker 1: every pass. And like like Nick said, he's trying to
Speaker 1: throw the ball deep to chrys Olave last week, he
Speaker 1: goes fifty yards but it comes up short.
Speaker 2: That's that J C.
Speaker 1: Jackson's you know here in Bells, when he hears that,
Speaker 1: that's his play.
Speaker 2: So the underthrown deep ball interception, right, let's.
Speaker 1: Well, because he's good at as he can recognize. For
Speaker 1: let's get the guy with the bad throwing shoulder to
Speaker 1: throw the ball deep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that that's definitely what the Bucks tried
Speaker 2: to do. The Bucks played a lot. They played eighty
Speaker 2: four percent of their downs in zone coverage, and like
Speaker 2: sixty percent of it was split safety zone. So they
Speaker 2: just absolutely begged Derek Carr to throw it deep into
Speaker 2: their two deep zones. And he tried a couple of
Speaker 2: times and failed, and the rest of the game was
Speaker 2: all checkdowns. Right, he threw like a I think it
Speaker 2: was a record like fourteen passes behind the line of
Speaker 2: scrimmage or something like that.
Speaker 1: It's a wit Nick was saying, it's a weird game
Speaker 1: if you look at the breakdown of But I also.
Speaker 2: Don't think that that was necessarily because the Raiders were
Speaker 2: calling a bunch of screens because Derek Carr couldn't throw
Speaker 2: the ball because of his shoulder. I think that that's
Speaker 2: just what was open from the Bucks perspective, and the
Speaker 2: Bucks were just trying to get him to check it down,
Speaker 2: and he was taking the check downs and taking the
Speaker 2: check downs, and the Bucks did a good job of
Speaker 2: rallying to the football. This is a you know, you
Speaker 2: mentioned Shaheed Chris Olave, like, those guys can get up
Speaker 2: the field. They can get up the field and create
Speaker 2: on vertical routes and create opportunities to throw the ball deep.
Speaker 2: And the Bucks just they played soft zone, they played
Speaker 2: off coverage, they played two deep shells, and they just
Speaker 2: said the only way that you're beating us is if
Speaker 2: you matriculate down the field. And that's I mean, that's
Speaker 2: football nowadays in general, like that's how everybody's playing it.
Speaker 2: But I thought that was very telling from Tampa Bay.
Speaker 2: All right, Christian is in La. What's up? Christian?
Speaker 3: Hey, you guys.
Speaker 6: You two things And I kind of part the little
Speaker 6: bit on the LST Show, but I know you guys
Speaker 6: have to really go quickly on the of the shows
Speaker 6: that you can't really.
Speaker 3: Take it too. But I just wanted to touch on
Speaker 3: it again. And did I have a Mac Jones something
Speaker 3: that I saw in Mac.
Speaker 6: Jones that I would like to point out to see
Speaker 6: if you guys see it too or don't see it.
Speaker 6: First things first, and thanks for taking my call, guys.
Speaker 6: I appreciate the show and love love talking to you guys.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, right on, So first things first, I say this
Speaker 6: as being sort of a five win team, and that's
Speaker 6: sort of to me the high market if we don't
Speaker 6: have our defense anymore and just the offense just really
Speaker 6: is trying to figure yourself out in this league, trying
Speaker 6: to figure yourself out means you're not gonna win very
Speaker 6: many games. You may get it together for a couple
Speaker 6: of games and see some bright spots and what could
Speaker 6: be coming up, but you're not gonna win very many games.
Speaker 6: So for me, we're going into the next into this
Speaker 6: draft like top seven, right, top ten pick, we already
Speaker 6: have that that that why can't we and mostly you
Speaker 6: get a second round pick at some point in second round,
Speaker 6: why couldn't we take our third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and
Speaker 6: seventh round pick and package them to like a team
Speaker 6: like San Francisco that's not going to be trying to
Speaker 6: really build an impact player next draft. They're looking for
Speaker 6: more depth and stuff like that, and wind up with
Speaker 6: a great first rounder, someone maybe in the bottom of
Speaker 6: the first round that we'd get from five picks from
Speaker 6: something else, and a good second round of three impact
Speaker 6: players to change the culture, change the team really quickly.
Speaker 6: Could you kind of dig into this philosophy of that,
Speaker 6: But then the thing about mac Jones is and I
Speaker 6: know it's not fair to compare anything to Tom Brady
Speaker 6: at all, so I'm not really doing that, but it
Speaker 6: seemed like Brady had this sort of succession of football
Speaker 6: intelligence where the first quarter he would throw some things
Speaker 6: out there and sort of try something. The second quarter
Speaker 6: he would see how those things are really affecting and
Speaker 6: working the defense. The third quarter he would know what
Speaker 6: the defense is going to do, and then the first
Speaker 6: quarter he would light you up. It doesn't seem like
Speaker 6: mac Jones has that level of football intelligence to make
Speaker 6: that progression has the game unfold.
Speaker 3: Thank you, guys, pick up the air. I appreciate you
Speaker 3: guys so much.
Speaker 2: No problem, Thanks for the call, Christian, We appreciate it.
Speaker 2: So the draft thing, uh, definitely more of like an
Speaker 2: offseason deep dive. I was trying to keep that. So
Speaker 2: basically what he's saying is, why don't you just take
Speaker 2: your your ten draft picks that you have, Yeah, and
Speaker 2: consolidated to three, but you're getting three top fifty picks out,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like that?
Speaker 2: That's I think basically the argument.
Speaker 1: Because one one is I think a lot of teams
Speaker 1: don't just want a bunch of late draft picks because
Speaker 1: you've got to roster all those guys. And the flip
Speaker 1: side of it is, to a certain extent, you need
Speaker 1: a certain number of guys on your roster that are
Speaker 1: on rookie contracts because if you have to fill too
Speaker 1: many spots with free agents, it's it's going to kill
Speaker 1: your cap.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's it's not the NBA. You can't do that.
Speaker 1: The NFL draft is much more nuanced. Yeah, look the NBA.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he called in with Pu to PU and we
Speaker 2: we did have to kind of quickly talk about it
Speaker 2: because we had to get the picks. We had to hurry, right,
Speaker 2: But the biggest thing was is you know, yeah, like
Speaker 2: I love the idea. If the Patriots are picking you know,
Speaker 2: like to use his example, they're picking seventh, which means
Speaker 2: they're picking what thirty eight or thirty nine in the
Speaker 2: second round. If they want to jump back into the
Speaker 2: first round at the end of the first round instead
Speaker 2: of picking at the beginning of the second round because
Speaker 2: they really like a guy on Night one, then I'm
Speaker 2: all for that. But they're gonna have to trade from
Speaker 2: future drafts to make right.
Speaker 1: You can't nobody's so he basically wants to trade what three, four, five, six,
Speaker 1: and seven for a low one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, nobody's gonna do that. That's just Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you could do that, every team would do it.
Speaker 1: That's pretty much why. The second point, the reason Tom
Speaker 1: Brady was able to do that is because he had
Speaker 1: the margin Freerr, because he knew if he got down
Speaker 1: ten fourteen points early on, yeah, he was good enough
Speaker 1: to quickly score and he could fall back on what
Speaker 1: he does best, MACS. Most quarterbacks don't operate within that
Speaker 1: margin Forrer. Yeah, so that was a uniquely Brady thing.
Speaker 1: Like Mahomes can do it, Rogers did that a little bit,
Speaker 1: Peyton did it. That's an elite, elite, elite quarterback kind
Speaker 1: of thing to I would also sort of just use
Speaker 1: the first half of the game like a preseason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, totally. And I would also just say that
Speaker 2: like with Brady Brady, it wasn't the cut corners, but
Speaker 2: like Brady didn't have to worry about every little thing, right,
Speaker 2: you know, Like Brady didn't have to worry about, Okay,
Speaker 2: where are my eyes on this play? Where are my
Speaker 2: footwork on this play? Because all that type of stuff
Speaker 2: was just innate to him. Like he just it just
Speaker 2: came to He had done it so many times and
Speaker 2: he did it at such a high level that it
Speaker 2: just kind of came to him naturally. Of my footwork,
Speaker 2: my cadence, my eye, my eyes, where are they where
Speaker 2: it's my read? Was the intent of this play? Like
Speaker 2: all the things that Mack was talking about yesterday, right,
Speaker 2: All that type of stuff was natural to Tom Brady,
Speaker 2: so he could go to that next level of deciphering
Speaker 2: defense and deciphering how the game is declaring and how
Speaker 2: they are they defending us? And how are they defending
Speaker 2: me and all these type like Dad type of nuance
Speaker 2: of the game. I don't know if mac has Is
Speaker 2: necessarily has the k ability to graduate to that, because
Speaker 2: he's still worried about wearing my feet and wearing my
Speaker 2: eyes on this play right right, and what are we
Speaker 2: doing before we even get to the defense. It's like
Speaker 2: what are we doing first? And then we get to that.
Speaker 2: Brady knew what we were doing all the time, right,
Speaker 2: like he had already mastered that piece of the equation.
Speaker 2: So it's tough. It's tough to then, you know, play
Speaker 2: the chess match and do all that stuff when you're
Speaker 2: still not confident in yourself in what you're trying to do.
Speaker 2: Before we get to the rest of the phone calls,
Speaker 2: I do want to talk about J C. Jackson before
Speaker 2: we start to lose people here in the second hour.
Speaker 2: The Patriots made a trade yesterday, obviously for J C. Jackson,
Speaker 2: and I also subscribe to a lot of the positivity
Speaker 2: that's come out about this trade on a money side
Speaker 2: of things, in a trade, you know, capital side of things,
Speaker 2: they basically gave up nothing to get him. He was
Speaker 2: gonna get cut by the Chargers. They basically gave up
Speaker 2: nothing to get him. And I think watching his film
Speaker 2: yesterday and as we're you know, when the trade officially
Speaker 2: gets announced, he was out at practice. I think it
Speaker 2: actually literally just got announced as I just did it. Yes,
Speaker 2: so the trade is official now for J C. Jackson.
Speaker 2: But I think the biggest thing is is when I
Speaker 2: watched his film against the Chargers, I thought the Chargers
Speaker 2: fundamentally misunderstood the player and a player that they were getting.
Speaker 2: And I know you'll you'll jump right on this, Alex,
Speaker 2: because you hate Brandon Stance. He's a bad coach, so
Speaker 2: this is right up your alley. I felt like the
Speaker 2: Chargers thought that they were getting this revous Gilmore lockdown
Speaker 2: corner right that when they played Miami in Week one,
Speaker 2: they could just line him up across from Tyree Killer
Speaker 2: Jalen Waddle and be like, Jac's got got number ten.
Speaker 2: You know, we're all set there. And that's never been
Speaker 2: the type of player that j C. Jackson is.
Speaker 3: J C.
Speaker 2: Jackson's a boomer bust corner. He's a ballhawk, He's you know,
Speaker 2: he's a lot you know for people that I don't
Speaker 2: know why you wouldn't have watched Jacy Jackson, but you know,
Speaker 2: it's a lot like in the conversation that we have
Speaker 2: talked about with Jack Jones, right like, that's the type
Speaker 2: of corner that he is. He's a boomer bust guy.
Speaker 2: He's a ballhawk, whatever you want to call it. And
Speaker 2: when you start to look at the film, I thought
Speaker 2: that he looks like JC and you look at the
Speaker 2: coverage stats and last year was a disaster for him.
Speaker 2: For the five games he played before the knee injury
Speaker 2: was a disaster. But he was, you know, transitioning to
Speaker 2: a new scheme, a new coast, all that kind of
Speaker 2: stuff that I was talking about with Derek Carr. I
Speaker 2: think applies here this year when you start to look
Speaker 2: at some of the coverage metrics, his metrics were starting
Speaker 2: to level back off to what he was closer to
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. You know, similar completion rate into his coverage,
Speaker 2: similar success rate. Had an interception in Miami and then
Speaker 2: also gave up ninety nine yards, right, like, that's that's
Speaker 2: j C. Jackson, And I think the doll the Chargers,
Speaker 2: excuse me, just had this this this belief that they
Speaker 2: were getting this lockdown number one corner and in reality,
Speaker 2: the player that he was against Miami ninety nine yards,
Speaker 2: but an interception, that's all. That's who he's been. When
Speaker 2: he's elevated to that number one spot, when he was
Speaker 2: playing behind Stefan Gilmour and and you know those guys,
Speaker 2: that's a little bit different. But when he was the
Speaker 2: Patriots pseudo number one corner and what was at twenty
Speaker 2: one or twenty or twenty one, yeah, twenty one, that
Speaker 2: that was who he was. And so I think in
Speaker 2: some ways there there's Dad and you know there's a
Speaker 2: couple of the plays he gave up against Miami. Gives
Speaker 2: up a big explosive to Jalen Wattle trying to play
Speaker 2: him out of the slot, like not his game, right,
Speaker 2: Like Jan Waller runs a little quick slant on him
Speaker 2: and gets open and gains like thirty five yards. He
Speaker 2: gave up an explosive on Ti to Tyreek Hill on
Speaker 2: one of those motion routes. Everybody gives up explosives to
Speaker 2: Tyreek Kill on the motion routes. That's why they run
Speaker 2: the motion routes is because they're impossible to cover. And
Speaker 2: then he gave up the touchdown over the top to
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill where he didn't have safety help, right, Like,
Speaker 2: how you're not putting State, You're putting him in press
Speaker 2: man with inside leverage against Tyreek Hill and he doesn't
Speaker 2: have safety help over the top, what do you expect
Speaker 2: to happen? He got burned, Like that's exactly what was
Speaker 2: going to happen. So in a lot of ways, I'm
Speaker 2: optimistic about this trade helping the Patriots because one, they
Speaker 2: just needed corners, like they just needed playable corners and
Speaker 2: running a mere speed and Sean Wade and Miles Brian
Speaker 2: out there the rest of the season was not an
Speaker 2: option and they needed to be better than that. So
Speaker 2: they get a guy that can keep them competitive on defense.
Speaker 2: They get a guy that they can turn the ball
Speaker 2: over some on defense. I had two takeaways in the
Speaker 2: first four games of the year, so maybe he gets
Speaker 2: some of those. Mister iron, T's right, and I like
Speaker 2: the player, and you know who he is. You know
Speaker 2: he's not anything special.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wonder where he's at physically coming off that knee injury. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think he had even said that he wasn't
Speaker 1: completely healthy.
Speaker 2: Look, they need a corner. They didn't give up much.
Speaker 1: If they want to keep him, they can just restructure
Speaker 1: his contract and keep him down the road. So if
Speaker 1: that all makes sense, it's not a negative move. I
Speaker 1: don't know that he saves everything.
Speaker 2: I don't think that. You know, he's a one for one,
Speaker 2: So I is he gonna play as well as Hi
Speaker 2: Gonzalez was playing. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Christian Zola was playing an incredibly high level, and when
Speaker 1: you also lose Matthew Judahan, it's a big ask for
Speaker 1: him to come in and basically have the defense pick
Speaker 1: up where they left off.
Speaker 2: So we'll see.
Speaker 1: We'll see where he's at physically. I have nothing against
Speaker 1: the move, but I don't know that it's this over
Speaker 1: the top automatic success that some people are making it
Speaker 1: out to be. It they were desperate for a corner,
Speaker 1: and they went out and got one, and it made
Speaker 1: it easier to facilitate that they knew the guy. I wonder,
Speaker 1: and there's been some reporting to kind of suggest this
Speaker 1: if he was gonna end up here one way or
Speaker 1: the other once he got cut and the injuries just
Speaker 1: kind of created a situation where they couldn't wait for
Speaker 1: him to get cut. And I said that, and people
Speaker 1: pushed back on me, like, oh, no, it's a smart
Speaker 1: move because if you got cut, he might not have
Speaker 1: come back here. I don't know how big the market
Speaker 1: was going to be for him. I also, for a
Speaker 1: number of reasons, I think he has to look at
Speaker 1: it and be like, this is the place I belong in. Oh,
Speaker 1: this is a huge win for him. Yeah you can
Speaker 1: get where I was massive win for him. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: I'm him, I'm a static, But you know what, we'll see.
Speaker 2: We'll see.
Speaker 1: I'm optimistic, but I'm caustiously optimistic. I don't know that
Speaker 1: it's I still have my serious concerns about this defense.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm not sitting here saying either that, like season
Speaker 2: back on because they love j C. Jackson. But I
Speaker 2: do think that their defense is now going to remain competitive,
Speaker 2: Like is it gonna be as good as it was
Speaker 2: going to be? Obviously not, but I think they'll still
Speaker 2: be competitive.
Speaker 1: On Well, this is where I'm like, because he has
Speaker 1: a bad knee, Like is he healthy? How much can
Speaker 1: you count on him to just go out there? And
Speaker 1: I wonder about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I Also there's this I'm not saying this is a concern.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it. You can take it as a positive,
Speaker 1: you can take it as a negative. This is just
Speaker 1: an observation I have. Trey Flowers looks like he's gonna
Speaker 1: be one of the guys that gets activated j C.
Speaker 1: Jackson's back. Is there a level of them, you know, Bill,
Speaker 1: where things aren't going well? Just trying to lean on familiarity.
Speaker 2: Above all else. Yeah, I think that that's definitely fair.
Speaker 2: But I don't critique him for the familiarity in season, okay,
Speaker 2: because it's really hard to get out. I don't say
Speaker 2: it's a critique.
Speaker 1: I posed a question like I was talking to somebody
Speaker 1: earlier today, right like Kyle van Noy signed with the
Speaker 1: Ravens two weeks ago because they had some injuries. Let's
Speaker 1: say that doesn't happen. Are we talking about Kyle van
Speaker 1: Noy here right now? With Matthew Judon going out?
Speaker 2: Like, I just think it's different when you talk about
Speaker 2: in season because it's so hard to get a guy
Speaker 2: up and running again.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it is a critique. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it is an observation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think that this comes out a lot
Speaker 2: about Bill in the retreads, but it sometimes bothers me
Speaker 2: with the retreads when they do it in the off season,
Speaker 2: Like it's like, do you really need to bring back
Speaker 2: this guy in the off season when there's other guys
Speaker 2: available that might be better. But in season you're in
Speaker 2: a situation where you just need to get guys that
Speaker 2: can play for you on Sunday. And since JC Jackson
Speaker 2: knows the system and he knows the defense, if he's healthy,
Speaker 2: he's going to be active on So it's more for
Speaker 2: me with that.
Speaker 1: The concern here is you talk about how he plays.
Speaker 2: He has to be explosive.
Speaker 1: He has to be able to, you know, t step
Speaker 1: plan his foot in the ground, make cuts, make up
Speaker 1: for lost ground. Yeah, does he have that kind of
Speaker 1: pop in his lower body coming off that knee injury.
Speaker 2: It's a fair it's a fair wonder, it's a fair ass. Uh,
Speaker 2: last thing on on JC, and then we'll we'll move
Speaker 2: on j C. Jonathan Jones, and let's say Miles Brian
Speaker 2: probably in the slot you could do worse.
Speaker 1: Wasn't that the secondary and twenty twenty one basically it
Speaker 1: was right because they didn't have Steph that year they
Speaker 1: traded him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's basically I think in terms of talent level,
Speaker 2: you're basically in the same spot that you were in
Speaker 2: twenty one and twenty five.
Speaker 1: So Jeff, how this I think this happened while we
Speaker 1: were on here, reported that Jack Jones is probably another,
Speaker 1: you know, two weeks away. I think if you can
Speaker 1: get about two weeks, I don't want to say that
Speaker 1: like put words in Jeff's mouth that it's definitive. But
Speaker 1: let's say, let's see, let's just say Halloween as and
Speaker 1: I think that was the number the date given when
Speaker 1: he first went on IR. Mike Reese has reported something
Speaker 1: along those lines as well. Let's say it's Halloween. If
Speaker 1: you can get to a point where your corn are
Speaker 1: Jack Jones and j C. Jackson on the boundary and
Speaker 1: you move John Jones back into the slot. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if they will or not, but like, if
Speaker 1: your top three corners are Jack Jones, John Jones and
Speaker 1: j C. Jackson, who's going in? Like are they gonna
Speaker 1: bench one of those three guys from Ales Bryant? Maybe
Speaker 1: they might bench Jack Jones from Miles Brant. But the
Speaker 1: point being, like jac Jackson, Jack Jones on the boundary,
Speaker 1: John Jones on.
Speaker 2: The slot, that's legit. It's not a legit secondary.
Speaker 1: You could do a lot worse and with and like
Speaker 1: we can get ahead because I see people in the
Speaker 1: in the chat talking about this, and I've gotten questions
Speaker 1: about this. You know, next year is it Christian Gonzalez
Speaker 1: and j C? Is the outside corners?
Speaker 2: Like that? Yeah, that could be really fun. Let's see what.
Speaker 1: Jaz Jackson looks like before we start doing that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, it could be a lot worse. And
Speaker 2: I think, especially with a coach like Belichick, Like I
Speaker 2: still give Bill the maximizing the talent on the defensive
Speaker 2: side of the ball. I still think he does that
Speaker 2: at a high level. And so I think if you
Speaker 2: look at how they'll you JC, how they'll use John Jones,
Speaker 2: Like those guys will be playing to their strengths and
Speaker 2: playing in roles that they belong in and things like that.
Speaker 2: And it's basically the secondary talent wise that they had
Speaker 2: the last two years. Like obviously we were all hoping
Speaker 2: they were gonna take that next step with Christian Gonzales
Speaker 2: being that true number one Gilmour type corner. Unfortunately gets hurt.
Speaker 2: It's a bummer, but I think you at least you know,
Speaker 2: last year they were still a pretty good defense. Like
Speaker 2: they weren't a great defense, but they were a good defense,
Speaker 2: and I think they'll be a good defense still. If
Speaker 2: JC is ready to go, all right, let's do a
Speaker 2: three up, three down real quick, and uh, we'll get
Speaker 2: into this and then we'll take some of these calls
Speaker 2: and we'll rap with some more on the Saints. So
Speaker 2: I did a little differently this week because of obvious
Speaker 2: reasons the result of the game. Yeah, and I have
Speaker 2: two up in three and four down, so I took
Speaker 2: I only did two. Let's start with the positives though. Okay, Uh,
Speaker 2: best player in the game for the Patriots I thought
Speaker 2: was Detrick Wise. Okay, Dietrich Wise really good this game.
Speaker 2: Five pressure sack, another TfL on the run game. I
Speaker 2: thought he was disruptive. I thought he read blocks extremely well.
Speaker 2: I thought he worked well on the on the games
Speaker 2: or the stunts up front. I think Dietrich Wise, you know,
Speaker 2: he's not Matthew Junoni. He's not a game wrecker. He's
Speaker 2: not a Tuesday player, as we like to call him.
Speaker 2: But he's a guy that I think teams know of
Speaker 2: and is starting to get a little bit of a
Speaker 2: positive reputation around the league in terms of being someone
Speaker 2: you gotta worry about. He's a really well rounded player
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you know, I think he's one
Speaker 2: of those rare guys that comes in and in like
Speaker 2: year six or year seven of his NFL career kind
Speaker 2: of takes that next step to being extremely well rounded.
Speaker 2: And he's much more violent with his hands in the
Speaker 2: run game and getting off blocks, and his block anticipation
Speaker 2: has really improved, and his leveraging has really improved. I've
Speaker 2: been impressed with him all year, but I thought this
Speaker 2: game he was particularly really well, really good. Excuse me, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll go.
Speaker 1: I'll go with Hunter Henry. I know he didn't love
Speaker 1: his game, his blocking, but he keeps making catches.
Speaker 2: And he's the only guy that makes good like one
Speaker 2: handed little bit like I'll say that catches, I guess
Speaker 2: is the way to say.
Speaker 1: We kind of talked about the compete level in that game, right,
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry showed up and in a game like that,
Speaker 1: guy showing up to me gets him on the uplist.
Speaker 1: You're entering this really interesting spot with Hunter Henry because
Speaker 1: if they again I said the thing before, I don't
Speaker 1: believe they're gonna fall on tank, but if they end
Speaker 1: up on a spot where they're sellers at the deadline,
Speaker 1: which I don't think they will be, but let's say
Speaker 1: they get there, Yeah, you're gonna be able to get
Speaker 1: something for Hunter Henry. Yeah, because he keeps making plays.
Speaker 1: And honestly, the Cowboys are a team I look at
Speaker 1: they're like, can you get a third round pick, maybe
Speaker 1: second round pick with a pick slot for Hunter Henry?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And and I know you hate to hear this
Speaker 2: because you know he's one of one of your guys. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Kendrick Porn, Kendrick Porn, Yeah, Kendrick Poorn too, But I
Speaker 2: Kendrick Porne to me is gonna be the guy that
Speaker 2: if they're truly out of it at the deadline, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: three and eight or something, whatever the deadline is in
Speaker 2: terms of records.
Speaker 1: Well, look, his one, his contracts up at the end
Speaker 1: of the year. He's not coming back. I would love
Speaker 1: to see him go somewhere and win. You know how
Speaker 1: I feel about Kendrick Bourne if gets it. You know,
Speaker 1: I've come to terms with the fact that he won't
Speaker 1: be a Patriot next year when we're the other right,
Speaker 1: But Hunter Henry and Cowboys need a tight end. And
Speaker 1: again I think you get something for him. You want
Speaker 1: me to give my second up, yep. Miles Bryant, all right,
Speaker 1: you're gonna a lot of people are gonna roll their
Speaker 1: eyes on this. And by the way, I see people
Speaker 1: saying in the chat getting annoyed at me for saying
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick might bench Jack Jones from Miles Bryant. He
Speaker 1: did that last year. So there's history of that. That
Speaker 1: that the CD Lamb touchdown. That's just such a bad Again,
Speaker 1: it's not like there's a ton of ops to choose
Speaker 1: from in this game, right Evan, And it's a bad
Speaker 1: spot for him. It's just a bad He shouldn't be
Speaker 1: out there. This goes to my whole point about Miles Bryant.
Speaker 1: Miles Bryant's a solid rotational football player if you use
Speaker 1: him correctly, having him one on one, ceedee Lamb on
Speaker 1: the outside.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I look at the two fumblesy forced, and he made
Speaker 1: some competitive tackles stepping up the line of screwmage.
Speaker 2: She continues to do.
Speaker 1: There's sort of slim pickings. You only picked two ups.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get on you. I'm not yelling at so.
Speaker 2: He yelled at me a little bit for it yesterday.
Speaker 1: But it's slim pickings. There were some isolated players, and
Speaker 1: I was like, all right again, it's that thing.
Speaker 2: He showed up.
Speaker 1: I thought, at the very least, Miles Bryant showed up
Speaker 1: in a game like that. There aren't that many guys
Speaker 1: you can say that about.
Speaker 2: All Right, my second up, and then we're gonna go.
Speaker 2: Do you have three? I I do have three. Okay,
Speaker 2: you're you're nicer than me. Okay, well one of them
Speaker 2: is it's literally just one place. Second was good in
Speaker 2: this game. Uh made four stops against the run, three
Speaker 2: pressures and on the quarterback. I I understand that there's
Speaker 2: like a bigger philosophical problem with Jelani Tevai in terms
Speaker 2: of like Bill likes that type of guy because he
Speaker 2: just does his job. It's like it's the usage thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I get that, But I actually think that Jelanie Deviz
Speaker 2: turned into a pretty solid player for them, and I
Speaker 2: think that he's gonna play a lot now that Judon's
Speaker 2: not here. So just just prepare yourself for the fact
Speaker 2: that forty eight is going to be out there a
Speaker 2: ton on this defense. I'm not saying that he should
Speaker 2: be over Keon White, don't get on me, but I'm
Speaker 2: just telling you that in this game, this was probably
Speaker 2: one of the better games I saw Jelye Tevi play.
Speaker 2: He was really he was disruptive in this game, beat
Speaker 2: a couple really really well done in terms of shedding
Speaker 2: blocks in the run game. In this game, deflected a
Speaker 2: pass that he almost picked off at the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 2: got the sack on the goal line where he was unblocked,
Speaker 2: but he made the play. So I was impressed by
Speaker 2: Tavai in this game, and he was already playing a
Speaker 2: lot before Judon got hurt. He had a sixty six
Speaker 2: percent snap usage. I think in the first four games
Speaker 2: of the season, so he has his own role. Like
Speaker 2: this isn't like Julyn Devia is replacing Matthew Judon and
Speaker 2: he wasn't playing before. This just means that Julya DEVIAI
Speaker 2: is going to play a little bit more on the edge.
Speaker 2: I would say the defense versus off the ball. But
Speaker 2: I thought he was really good in this game. So
Speaker 2: that those are my two. I gave him both on
Speaker 2: the defense because the offense is deserved anything. I don't
Speaker 2: know why, Jeannie to Van Dietrich quiet, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I didn't pick any any defensive ones because it's just.
Speaker 1: The whole recap of the game. I'm just focused on
Speaker 1: the offense and what happened. My third one was to
Speaker 1: Mario Douglas. I, yeah, he wasn't good on the punt returns,
Speaker 1: but that that move was awesome up the sideline, that
Speaker 1: kind of cut and spin.
Speaker 2: Two dynamic for the Patriots. Yeah, for that move, he's
Speaker 2: on the lip he does.
Speaker 1: I think you were actually the one who tweeted about
Speaker 1: him on the punt returns, and he needs to do
Speaker 1: a better job getting up field. So credit to you
Speaker 1: for talking about special teams.
Speaker 2: You're welcome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you were spot on. Can't be moving laterally,
Speaker 1: you gotta just start getting.
Speaker 2: Up the field. But it's something that Troy Brown has
Speaker 2: always said to us when we talked to him, is
Speaker 2: like the key of being a good punt returner is
Speaker 2: getting vertical on. You gotta be aggressive. You got to
Speaker 2: take it to him. Yeah. I would just say with Douglas,
Speaker 2: we mentioned head on the Saints a couple of times.
Speaker 2: He's he's a little bit bigger than Douglas is. He's
Speaker 2: like six feet onet eighty. Obviously Douglas is not that tall,
Speaker 2: but there that's the type of player if she has
Speaker 2: a big game on Sunday for New Orleans, Like, that's
Speaker 2: what you, as a Patriots fan hope that Pop Douglas
Speaker 2: is going to become like he's one of those just jitterbug,
Speaker 2: game breaking, bursty guys. All right, let's get let's get
Speaker 2: to the DUTs. Yeah, this is uh, this is gonna
Speaker 2: be fun. All right, So we have four duds for me. Okay, four,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess we have a lot of overlap. Number
Speaker 2: one is Mac Jones. I mean Mac Jones gotta be
Speaker 2: number one. I mentioned a lot about it already, So
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna like continue to beat the dead horse
Speaker 2: about the footwork and the decision making. All of it
Speaker 2: was bad. Second quarter, all of it was bad. I
Speaker 2: think the biggest thing with Mac in terms of getting
Speaker 2: him back on track, Uh, they need to get him
Speaker 2: back to obviously playing within himself and playing within the
Speaker 2: system and then and then taking some of the layups.
Speaker 2: Like so the things that irked me the most about
Speaker 2: this game from Mac was like some of the crossers
Speaker 2: to Devonte Parker that he missed, Like just these shallows, right,
Speaker 2: these shallow crossers over the middle of the field, and
Speaker 2: it's like throw it, throw it, throw it, throw it,
Speaker 2: throw it, sack or throw it, throw it, throw it,
Speaker 2: throw it late almost intercepted, right, Like those are the
Speaker 2: types of throws that like he's got to make. You
Speaker 2: know a lot of people have been talking about the
Speaker 2: Kasiki one in the end zone. Devonte Parker is the
Speaker 2: read on that play. Devonte Parker is wide open, like
Speaker 2: five yards in front over the ball, you know, running
Speaker 2: a little shallow drag over the ball in Mac Jones.
Speaker 2: All Mac Jones got to do is put it on
Speaker 2: him and he's just gonna turn off field and walk
Speaker 2: into the end zone right, and he doesn't completely skips
Speaker 2: the read, just doesn't see it, just completely ignores it.
Speaker 2: They he's got to do much better job of seeing
Speaker 2: the fields, like all the footwork stuff, the decision making stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm willing to bet that it will be better than
Speaker 2: that on Sunday with the Saints. But the reads and
Speaker 2: seeing the field and stuff that's not Mac like Mac
Speaker 2: usually sees the field pretty well. It was disaster. It
Speaker 2: was bad. Yeah, he wasn't good. He was bad. He
Speaker 2: was bad in this game. He was bad.
Speaker 1: And there was no oh, well, you know this part
Speaker 1: of his game was fine, or that part of his
Speaker 1: game was fine.
Speaker 2: The complete thing.
Speaker 1: After the first drive, the complete thing fell apart. So
Speaker 1: I had him as my number one down, all.
Speaker 2: Right, number two down. And this is a speaks to
Speaker 2: what we're talking about the offensive line beginning of the show.
Speaker 2: Vaderian low like Vadarian Lowe is not an NFL tackle.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. He started three games this year. He has
Speaker 2: given up twenty two pressures? Is it that many? In
Speaker 2: three games? He's given up seventeen over the last two games, seventeen.
Speaker 2: It's a lot at right tackle. Eight last week nine
Speaker 2: this week, it's no contest, right like, especially if you're
Speaker 2: going up against a good edge rusher like Micah Parsons.
Speaker 2: I'll give a Darian Low this. He gets his hands
Speaker 2: on you, initially, he just can't stay with it, right like,
Speaker 2: once he okay, I'll get my punch, I'll get my
Speaker 2: hands on you. But as soon as you start running
Speaker 2: the arc, I'm like, you're you're past me, right and
Speaker 2: that it just it's not it's not sustainable, it's not playable.
Speaker 2: They gotta do something at right tackle, like it's it's
Speaker 2: it's Vaderian. Low's not the answer. They got to do
Speaker 2: something at right tackle. Whether it's Riley Reeve win City,
Speaker 2: so even like getting an opportunity out there, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but like they have to look elsewhere right tackle. He
Speaker 2: has been a disaster.
Speaker 1: So I just had the entire offensive line. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's yeah, so is probably the worst Low Low is
Speaker 1: probably worst of all them. But they in the run
Speaker 1: game in the past game, it didn't matter. They couldn't
Speaker 1: get a freaking push. And I know that Dallas front
Speaker 1: is good, but I mean, was there one snap where
Speaker 1: they won off the ball. They're few and far between,
Speaker 1: if any. And again, the inability to move the ball
Speaker 1: in short yard situations, things like that has to be better,
Speaker 1: has to be better the entire group. We've picked on
Speaker 1: their offensive line a lot this year. I think that
Speaker 1: wasn't well. I was gonna say, like, it's not that
Speaker 1: they've played a bunch of great games. I think that
Speaker 1: was their worst game of the year.
Speaker 2: And I don't think it was close.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the right side, especially my set, and it's it's
Speaker 1: not sorry, And it's not even like you can say, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, they played a good front in Dallas, so
Speaker 1: of course it was their worst game. They played Philly
Speaker 1: in Miami. In the Jets, they've played four good fronts.
Speaker 2: Dallas might.
Speaker 1: Dallas might be the worst front day faced. It's not
Speaker 1: in the top half because Philly's better and the Jets
Speaker 1: are better. Yeah, them in Miami can nit pick that.
Speaker 1: But this was, pound for pound, one of their easier
Speaker 1: games of the year, and it was their worst performance
Speaker 1: of the year.
Speaker 2: So I had Mike on win Who as as my
Speaker 2: second down or third down. I guess I had so
Speaker 2: many of them Mike on win Who in this game.
Speaker 2: First of all, the penalties obviously are killer yea, three penalties.
Speaker 2: Any offensive lineman gets called for three penalties, you're going
Speaker 2: to be on the down list. But I also just
Speaker 2: think that he doesn't look right coming off the ball.
Speaker 2: You know Mike on Wen who is a people moving
Speaker 2: guard and he come usually comes off the ball with aggression,
Speaker 2: with a mentality. I just haven't really seen that at
Speaker 2: all from him. I thought he was okay in pass
Speaker 2: pro for the most part, but in the run game,
Speaker 2: they need him to be a much bigger impact, Like
Speaker 2: he needs to be an impact blocker for them in
Speaker 2: the run game, and he just really hasn't been consistently.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the ankle. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's the lack of training camp and this is
Speaker 2: basically his training camp and he's trying to ramp it
Speaker 2: up in season or whatever. But going into the year
Speaker 2: like that, that's your guy, right, Like, that's the guy
Speaker 2: that you can you're saying is your best offensive lineman.
Speaker 2: He has not played like that and he needs to
Speaker 2: play better.
Speaker 1: Think do you think there's any element of there's too
Speaker 1: much on his plate because of what's happening at right
Speaker 1: tackle and maybe he's starting to push it in overcompensate a.
Speaker 2: Little bit, and that's I think an even bigger reason
Speaker 2: why they need to move on from Vederian Low and
Speaker 2: try some other people there. You know, it was put
Speaker 2: out today by I think Jordan Schultz had the report
Speaker 2: about Layol Collins being he's healthy and clear to physical
Speaker 2: independent physical. Obviously it's from the ACL and the MCL.
Speaker 2: Like the fact that Leon Collins is not online one
Speaker 2: right now is shocking to me. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1: I don't think Leo Collins is the ultimate fix.
Speaker 2: Everybody thinks he's thirty years old. He just shredded his knees.
Speaker 2: He's got to be better than this. He's got to
Speaker 2: be better.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's not worth a flyer, but it
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if in three weeks we're saying, all right,
Speaker 1: they tried Layo Collins, he didn't work.
Speaker 2: Now what he's got to be better when they have,
Speaker 2: and maybe even Riley Reef is better than what they have.
Speaker 1: So Riley, I think they're gonna try Riley ree first
Speaker 1: before Collins.
Speaker 2: That's fair, all right? What do you got how many
Speaker 2: interre we We're three, all right?
Speaker 1: So I had mac Jones I said, the offensive line, okay,
Speaker 1: the offensive coaching staff. That team was not ready schematically,
Speaker 1: that team was not ready emotionally. H the in game
Speaker 1: decisions I already kind of went on about that about
Speaker 1: the short yarded situation in the first half were bad.
Speaker 2: It was it was just all bad. It was all bad.
Speaker 1: It was a team that did not look prepared from
Speaker 1: a coaching point of view, and you got to look
Speaker 1: at the coaches and say, what exactly was the plan
Speaker 1: this week? I had Bill Bellich and so sorry, I
Speaker 1: wanted to add one more thing to that. Again, I
Speaker 1: think they should have run the ball traditionally more and
Speaker 1: I think we both agree on that. And then there
Speaker 1: was that court Sunday morning from Ian rapport that Zeke
Speaker 1: was going to get starter type reps and all that.
Speaker 1: He touched the ball nine times and most of those
Speaker 1: are when the game was out of reach. Again, third
Speaker 1: and one in the red zone. This is Zeke's game,
Speaker 1: it's his homecoming. You don't think he's a little extra
Speaker 1: jacked up. You can't give them the ball on an
Speaker 1: HB dive like what they should have come in. The
Speaker 1: Cardinals ran. The Cardinals ran for two hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: two yards on the Cowboys a week before, and there
Speaker 1: was zero interest in getting under center and just plowing
Speaker 1: ahead with the football. Why why why? And I know
Speaker 1: you you kind of explained before. You can't traditionally run
Speaker 1: on the Boys because they do this, you know what,
Speaker 1: I think at a cert as much as we like
Speaker 1: to talk about the breakdown between the two teams, I
Speaker 1: think there is something to be said, you know, not
Speaker 1: for the entire game, but there's something to be said
Speaker 1: for you know what, for get what they do.
Speaker 2: We do this, well, so we're going to try to
Speaker 2: do it. But the problem is in the run game
Speaker 2: right now is what do they do well? Well, they
Speaker 2: don't pass the ball? Well, no, But I'm not talking
Speaker 2: about the offense as a hole because there are things
Speaker 2: in the passing game that I could point to and say,
Speaker 2: you know, these couple of O'Brien's staple contracts. They would say, well,
Speaker 2: the player, I would say, ran, Well, they can't.
Speaker 1: You can't be so afraid of it to the fact
Speaker 1: that you don't even try it, Okay, and maybe it
Speaker 1: doesn't work.
Speaker 2: And you brought this up in the beginning of the show. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we only have twenty minutes left. So this is
Speaker 2: probably a much bigger topic to unpack. But I had
Speaker 2: somebody reach out to me that I don't want to
Speaker 2: I don't know if he wants this out there, so
Speaker 2: I'm not going to use his name. It's not anybody
Speaker 2: like in the organization of Alabama. It's just somebody that
Speaker 2: covers Alabama football. And he kind of said, like, this
Speaker 2: is what you see, Like this is what I was
Speaker 2: trying to tell you as somebody who watched Alabama football
Speaker 2: last year. He doesn't run the ball, you know, he
Speaker 2: doesn't traditionally run the football. And I said that I
Speaker 2: thought that he would up here when they hired Bill O'Brien.
Speaker 2: I thought that he would because Bill would make him
Speaker 2: like Big Bill, not Bill O'Brien, like Bill Belichick would
Speaker 2: make him. And uh, and that hasn't necessarily been the case,
Speaker 2: you know. They they've they kind of use like the
Speaker 2: bad starts as an excuse, like, all we were playing
Speaker 2: from behind and we had to throw our way back in.
Speaker 2: You get down by two touchdowns, you don't just completely
Speaker 2: abandon Also, but also this game, even if you want,
Speaker 2: even if that is their philosophy that if we're down
Speaker 2: two scores, we're not gonna We're not gonna run the ball,
Speaker 2: even if that is their philosophy, it is I forget
Speaker 2: was it three nothing or nothing nothing on that third
Speaker 2: and one? I think it was three nothing, three nothing,
Speaker 2: three nothing, So Cowboys already kick a field goal. It's
Speaker 2: three nothing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You should not be abandoning the rundown three nothing in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. You should not a half to ten
Speaker 1: to three yeah, in the second quarter. That is not
Speaker 1: a spot where you're giving up on the run game.
Speaker 1: This was not oh we were too far behind so
Speaker 1: we couldn't run the ball.
Speaker 2: That's not what this was. It's fair. And do you
Speaker 2: want to do.
Speaker 1: Saints key matchups or we're not gonna have time. I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna have time, okay, because there's a number
Speaker 1: moving forwards that I want to bring up in relation
Speaker 1: to this. We can do what we talked about this, okay,
Speaker 1: So really quickly, I had Bill Belichick on my down list,
Speaker 1: So I think it's along the same lines. I agree
Speaker 1: with you wholeheardly about some of the play calling. Offensively,
Speaker 1: one last thing about the play calling. They only called
Speaker 1: two screens two screen passes the entire game against the
Speaker 1: front that was eating their offensive line alive, Like you
Speaker 1: would think that trying to you know, get invite Parsons
Speaker 1: and those guys to come up front and you'll come
Speaker 1: downhill and then maybe just pop a screen over their
Speaker 1: heads to Mandre or Zeke would have worked like maybe once,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying it's gonna work a ton, but
Speaker 1: like maybe you hit one play like they did against Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: right like they hit that one screen. So I was
Speaker 1: shocked about the lack of screen passes in this game.
Speaker 1: Just really quickly on Bill.
Speaker 2: This to me is is a running theme with Bill
Speaker 2: that is getting me maybe even as as much concerned
Speaker 2: about it as the the personnel stuff that we talk
Speaker 2: about with Build a GM yep, build a game planner,
Speaker 2: and build the game coach like the week coach the
Speaker 2: game coach. And when it say week I mean like
Speaker 2: the week of the game. Are we sure that he's
Speaker 2: still got the fastball on that too? Are we sure?
Speaker 2: I tried telling you this after week one because week
Speaker 2: run I thought he coached. They coached well against Philly,
Speaker 2: especially defensively, they were they were really buttoned up on
Speaker 2: all the quarterback run stuff, the r R PO game,
Speaker 2: like all they had that buttoned up. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, they had all off season to plan that that.
Speaker 1: Game plan and the end game coaching in that game
Speaker 1: was not good, right, But the game planning, Like, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm more concerned about, because that's real, right, Like,
Speaker 1: that's you, that's the chess master behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: Is the game planning stuff. That's what we were. Best
Speaker 2: game planner nobody you'd rather have. He has now gotten
Speaker 2: out coached in two of the last three weeks. He
Speaker 2: got out coached by Mike McDaniel. Mike McDaniel really out
Speaker 2: coached him in that game, and then he got really
Speaker 2: out coached by Mike McCarthy and Dan Quinn on Sunday,
Speaker 2: but especially McCarthy. Yeah, you know, McCarthy came out and
Speaker 2: I don't think that they were ready for Dak to
Speaker 2: sling it like that. You know, Dak and the gun,
Speaker 2: three eleven personnel, three wide receivers, spread the field, where's
Speaker 2: twenty six, where's twenty seven on the defense, like that
Speaker 2: we're attacking these guys. I think they thought that like
Speaker 2: I thought, and I hand up like I thought the
Speaker 2: same thing. I thought that the Cowboys are going to
Speaker 2: put the ball under center. They were going to run
Speaker 2: the football like they always do. I thought that too.
Speaker 2: They didn't. They came out throwing eighteen passes in the
Speaker 2: first four drives of this game from Dallas. They went
Speaker 2: right down the field on the opening drive on six passes,
Speaker 2: right like, just Dak and the gun spread the field,
Speaker 2: throw the football, and the Patriots had no answers for it.
Speaker 2: I think people, the offense is clearly the issue with
Speaker 2: this team right now, so I'm not trying to point
Speaker 2: fingers at the defense. The Cowboys had five drives of
Speaker 2: over ten plays in this game. They had five drives
Speaker 2: over seventy yards. They had five drives over ten plays.
Speaker 2: I think people look at the final score and are like, well, technically,
Speaker 2: the defense only gave up twenty four points. Like, that's
Speaker 2: not that bad, right. They didn't stop the Cowboys on
Speaker 2: their first drive of the game. Where you mentioned that
Speaker 2: the Cowboys kicked that field goal, Dak and Tony Pollard
Speaker 2: ran into each other. Right, That's the only reason why
Speaker 2: the run didn't work is because they ran into each other.
Speaker 2: On the play. The offense screwed up. They held them
Speaker 2: in the red zone. They had some good stuff in
Speaker 2: the red zone, but for the most part, Dallas drove
Speaker 2: the ball in this game at will. They drove the
Speaker 2: ball at will. And I get that the Patriots were
Speaker 2: short handed in the second theary, I get Christian Gonzalez
Speaker 2: got hurt at the end of the first quarter. The
Speaker 2: first quarter was the same even with Gonzales out there.
Speaker 2: So at this point, you know, this kind of comes
Speaker 2: back to like Bill and the job security and all
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. We know that he's on the
Speaker 2: hot seat because of his personnel decisions, rightfully, so right
Speaker 2: and if he's not a great game planner anymore, Like
Speaker 2: that's the that's the Belichick mistique that Nick was talking
Speaker 2: about when we were talking to him about the Saints,
Speaker 2: is the Belichick mystique of game planning and taking away
Speaker 2: your best thing and like, you know, really out coaching you.
Speaker 2: And think, if he can't do that anymore, then I
Speaker 2: present the question to mister Craft of what what does
Speaker 2: he bring to the table? He doesn't the roster is
Speaker 2: not good, the game plan and then game coaching isn't
Speaker 2: necessarily good. What is he bringing to the table. And
Speaker 2: if Bill's gonna like rest on his laurels and figure
Speaker 2: something out for the rest of the season. They've got
Speaker 2: to get back to out coaching teams again. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: they don't have the talent to make up for it.
Speaker 2: That's that's why he makes the big bucks. That that's
Speaker 2: why he's here. So I was really frustrated by by
Speaker 2: the fact that, you know, you mentioned all all great
Speaker 2: points about the offensive coaching and the things that they
Speaker 2: didn't do offensively. Defensively, I thought that they were pretty
Speaker 2: much non competitive as well, except in the red zone.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I didn't even look at the defense
Speaker 1: from this gameout was just so fag It's like offense.
Speaker 1: I couldn't take my eyes off such a train wreck.
Speaker 2: It was, well, it was all a train wreck. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I'm trying to tell you. All right, all right,
Speaker 2: let's move on. Let's let's clear the phone lines. Then
Speaker 2: we'll do key matchups that quickly. All right, Ties in Seattle,
Speaker 2: let's up, Tie.
Speaker 7: Hey, how are you guys? First time caller. I want
Speaker 7: to say thanks for every thing you do. And when
Speaker 7: Juju came into Juju came to the team, was pretty
Speaker 7: excited for him. I feel like he's kind of been
Speaker 7: a bus sent, you know. He he just doesn't get open,
Speaker 7: get a separation like we need, and just two other
Speaker 7: points I'll take off the air. I was watching some
Speaker 7: film about from the Cowboys game. Uh, Matt's steetwork is
Speaker 7: just regretting. It's horrible. Uh he's he's not playing his
Speaker 7: foot and that threw that throw he made across the numbers.
Speaker 7: You know, it's high school level mistakes. You know it
Speaker 7: was big on Mac. But again, you know every week
Speaker 7: he's just like he's regressing. Even that pick six, he
Speaker 7: immediately left the pocket. I mean it was closing in
Speaker 7: but he still had time in there. And then a
Speaker 7: touchdown throw that one definitely win over top. He you know,
Speaker 7: looked off his number one and number two option immediately
Speaker 7: he had that throw in the middle there. You know,
Speaker 7: it's it's after the fact and when he went quarterback,
Speaker 7: but it's just you know, it's time NFL level quarterbacking.
Speaker 7: And then last just kind of curious why it feels
Speaker 7: like when I watched the past games, compared to other games,
Speaker 7: they're just so slow looking on the field of their motions,
Speaker 7: their plays. There's just really no urgency there as far
Speaker 7: as get the ball and go compared to some of
Speaker 7: these other new offenses in the league, and again I'll
Speaker 7: take off fair thanks for everything and.
Speaker 8: Have a good day.
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Tye. Yeah, I mean we broke
Speaker 2: down the footwork stuff with Mac and that's definitely you
Speaker 2: know your spot on here, definitely seeing the right things
Speaker 2: there and things like that. In terms of the motion
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. This was on my mind too,
Speaker 2: because some of the stuff that they're like trying to
Speaker 2: hit is just too slow. Like it's just it doesn't
Speaker 2: all of it does doesn't move fasten. Yeah, Right, And
Speaker 2: we've talked about teams speed on offense and it being
Speaker 2: a concern. I think one of the biggest reasons why
Speaker 2: they're so slow on offense is because of how many
Speaker 2: tight ends they're playing. And they're playing two or three
Speaker 2: tight ends like all the time, right, you know, like
Speaker 2: they're playing two or three either twelve personnel thirteen personnel,
Speaker 2: like something like eighty five percent of the game in
Speaker 2: some of these games. I get why they're doing it.
Speaker 2: They're doing it because they need to figure out a
Speaker 2: way to block, right, So they're trying to put more
Speaker 2: blockers on the field to try to figure it out.
Speaker 3: But the the.
Speaker 2: Outcome is is, like Mike Kasiki is like running a
Speaker 2: deep over Mikeasiki is not you know, he's a fast
Speaker 2: tight end, I suppose, but he's not like a deep
Speaker 2: over special runner right like he's It's not like that
Speaker 2: shouldn't be him. You know, that's a right you're trying
Speaker 2: to win on and trying to you know, generate an
Speaker 2: explosive off of and you have a six foot six,
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty pounds tight end running it right,
Speaker 2: So it just is too slow. It just doesn't work
Speaker 2: like that. So they've got to figure out a way
Speaker 2: to run the ball. We know that, but I don't
Speaker 2: necessarily know if the heavy packages is doing them any
Speaker 2: favors because they can't throw out of it. So maybe
Speaker 2: eleven personnel is the way to go to get more
Speaker 2: receivers on the field. This kind of goes to, you know,
Speaker 2: everybody's point about Pop Douglas, like you're only playing an
Speaker 2: eighteen snaps, Like some of these routes like that need
Speaker 2: to hit quicker, need to be by run by faster
Speaker 2: people like Pop Douglas, like a Kendrick Bourne, like Taekwon
Speaker 2: if he ever gets his butt back on the field,
Speaker 2: right like, you know, those are the types of guys
Speaker 2: that need to be running those types of routes. All right,
Speaker 2: Roman is in our Justin, Sorry, go in order here.
Speaker 2: Justin's in Houston. What's up Justin?
Speaker 8: Hey guys, how's it going?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 8: Hey man time probably one time listeners. So I got
Speaker 8: two things I want to say. I was curious that
Speaker 8: you guys think build a Spelli checkle that would be
Speaker 8: relieved of his GM duty to pass that along with
Speaker 8: somebody kind of like the Nike stereo type of thing.
Speaker 8: I think me personally, the game that's kind of just
Speaker 8: passed them by. I mean you go back to whenever
Speaker 8: cole Strains was drafted. Sean McVay was on Live TV
Speaker 8: saying they had a fourth round grade on the guy.
Speaker 8: And I got a one more thing I want to say, Evan.
Speaker 8: I know hindsight is twenty twenty, but what do you personally.
Speaker 3: See in juju?
Speaker 8: I know what most guys talk up great over to Kobe,
Speaker 8: but I nenver saw it. I mean, the guys can't
Speaker 8: even break a thousand yards and home still at home,
Speaker 8: and that often anybody ex healthy. But yeah, that's it
Speaker 8: for me.
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks for the call, Justin. We appreciate it. Uh, look,
Speaker 2: I missed on Juju. I'm not going to try to
Speaker 2: sugarcoat that. I thought that Juju is going to be
Speaker 2: much better than this. I think what I saw with
Speaker 2: Juju is a really good catch and run player. But
Speaker 2: the problem is is that for Kansas City, at least
Speaker 2: last year, they found a ways to get him into
Speaker 2: catch and run opportunities and the Patriots just haven't really
Speaker 2: been able to do that and haven't been able to
Speaker 2: get him loose and get him moving. He's not a jitterbug.
Speaker 2: He's not Pop Douglas, right, so he's not gonna shake
Speaker 2: out of tackles. He has to be able to run
Speaker 2: with the football, you know. Hit him on a slant
Speaker 2: and watch him run, Hit him on a dig and
Speaker 2: watch him run with it. Like those are the types
Speaker 2: of routes that he ran in Kansas City that he
Speaker 2: was effective on and they just haven't gotten the loose.
Speaker 2: And this is something that really Alex, We're on like
Speaker 2: three different coordinators that like can't get these catch and
Speaker 2: run players the ball in space. I don't think. I
Speaker 2: think McDaniel's really struggled with it with nickil Harry and
Speaker 2: with Johnny Smith. I think Patricia obviously struggled it with
Speaker 2: it last year again with John hu And I get
Speaker 2: that people can point to it and say, oh, well,
Speaker 2: those players just stink, right, like it's just on the personnel,
Speaker 2: and it's on the player, John who.
Speaker 1: Has more receiving yards than anybody on the Patriots this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's the number two.
Speaker 1: Well when you talk about the Falcons usage of.
Speaker 2: The would trade for Kyle Pitts, right, yeah, anyways, but
Speaker 2: you know now they're doing it again with Juju is
Speaker 2: not a separator. Juju doesn't separate on his own. He's
Speaker 2: not like a one on one winner, Like, that's not
Speaker 2: Juju Smith Schuster's game. They gotta, you know, they gotta
Speaker 2: get him off the line of screamage. They gotta run
Speaker 2: him on rubs on like you know, again, zone coverage.
Speaker 2: He's much better, Like, find ways to get him out
Speaker 2: into some space where he can run with the football.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that that's gonna turn him into a
Speaker 2: thousand yard receiver, but that's what he was at his best.
Speaker 2: Right He's running those types of routes and they just
Speaker 2: haven't really gotten gotten that. But I was totally wrong
Speaker 2: about Juju and Jacoby Myers. I'll admit that Roman's in Chicago.
Speaker 2: What's up Roman?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 2: We left. I didn't even leave Roman on hold for
Speaker 2: that long. No one, you know, some of the other
Speaker 2: people are waiting for like over an hour.
Speaker 1: When you call somebody's name and then you backtrack on it,
Speaker 1: people hang you.
Speaker 2: You can't do that. Oh oh, they're never gonna get
Speaker 2: it to me. So it was on the screen in
Speaker 2: a different order. All right. Anyways, let's do key matchups
Speaker 2: really quickly. All right, my first key matchup in this game.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll have some overlap which will help. But Darian
Speaker 2: low against Cameron Jordan, this is to me. When the
Speaker 2: Patriots have the ball, this is the game. Yeah, if
Speaker 2: they're gonna leave a Darian Lowe at right tackle Cameron Jordan,
Speaker 2: that's where he lines up. That's where he rushes over.
Speaker 2: Cameron Jordan might as well be twenty six years old.
Speaker 2: Like that's the way. He doesn't play like a thirty
Speaker 2: four times it's wild. He's agent like fine wine him
Speaker 2: and tomorrow Davis. This this is a absolute mismatch, a
Speaker 2: monster mismatch. On the same plane, I would say is
Speaker 2: like not necessarily Mike A. Parsons because I don't think
Speaker 2: Cameron Jordan's in that category of elite. But like John
Speaker 2: Franklin Myers, who also ate up Vederian Low two weeks ago,
Speaker 2: this is a this is a big you know, warning warning,
Speaker 2: right like for me with the Patriots in this matchup.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 2: I think the toughest part too with Cameron Jordan is
Speaker 2: that he's a great run player as well, Like he
Speaker 2: can rush the passer, but he does it both at
Speaker 2: a high level. So the running the ball at him
Speaker 2: and pass blocking him for with Vederian Low is gonna
Speaker 2: be an issue for this team on Sunday. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: that that's my number one matchup. That's that's one that
Speaker 2: everybody should have circle.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll go with on the other side of
Speaker 1: the ball, the Patriots, because look, if the Patriots are
Speaker 1: gonna win this game, they're gonna do it eventsively.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Just the Patriots front seven against Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have that one too.
Speaker 1: The Saints ran forty three plays last week, yeah, which
Speaker 1: is low, but they ran forty three plays. Twenty five
Speaker 1: of those, yeah, were to Alvin Kamara. Fourteen targets, thirteen
Speaker 1: of them catches, eleven carries. Yeah, and that was his
Speaker 1: first week back after missing three weeks. Yeah, say what
Speaker 1: you know about Mike Thomas lave. I think Derek Carrs
Speaker 1: shoulder probably factors into this. Alvin Kamara is the game
Speaker 1: for the Saints offense. And I asked Lawrence Guy about
Speaker 1: him earlier today and I was like, oh, you should
Speaker 1: like the way he cuts, and like, they're clearly impressed
Speaker 1: with this guy.
Speaker 2: It's hard not to.
Speaker 1: Lawrence Guy called him rare. His ability to cut back rare.
Speaker 1: He's slippery. You gotta swarm to the football gang tackling.
Speaker 1: They cannot be missing tackles this week. They cannot be
Speaker 1: missing tackles, especially against Alvin Kamara because more often than not, again,
Speaker 1: twenty five or forty three plays, that's way more than half.
Speaker 1: This is the guy the Saints are counting on to
Speaker 1: win them in the game.
Speaker 2: You gotta be able to shut him down. Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: he's a problem. Last week. You only had eleven carries
Speaker 2: in this first game back. All of them were outside
Speaker 2: zone run all even so they're they're an outside zone team.
Speaker 2: He loves you, like you said, the cutbacks and things
Speaker 2: like that. That's his game. He's impossible to tackle. His
Speaker 2: contact balance and his ability to break tackles has been
Speaker 2: his calling cards since day one. He's great like that.
Speaker 2: I would say also in the passing game, like you
Speaker 2: almost have to treat him as a wide receiver in
Speaker 2: the passing game, So like Juwan Bentley and Jeelani Tavai
Speaker 2: cannot be isolated on Alvin Kamara on Sunday, Like you
Speaker 2: have to treat him like, yeah, a Marde Mapu, Kyle Duggar,
Speaker 2: maybe even Jalen Mills, Like you have to have somebody
Speaker 2: that's the cover guy covering Alvin Kamara when they flex
Speaker 2: him out or in the passing game, he's a problem.
Speaker 2: And with Derek Carr's shoulder, you know that's the guy
Speaker 2: that the ball is gonna funnel through. Right now, It's
Speaker 2: not gonna be a lobby, I don't think necessarily, because
Speaker 2: a lobby is a vertical guy that needs to get
Speaker 2: the ball deep. I think a Kamara is gonna be
Speaker 2: a big part of their game plan.
Speaker 1: Again, so I would kind of add to this because
Speaker 1: the way I write it now for ninety eight five,
Speaker 1: I do like think things to watch for instead of
Speaker 1: key matchups within this, the defense has to start making plays.
Speaker 2: And I know you, I think you tweeted about this
Speaker 2: this week and it was a good point. People got
Speaker 2: mad at me. You were right, don't blame the defense.
Speaker 1: Especially now. The defense can't just stop by the way.
Speaker 1: This is something the Saints defense does incredibly well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this Saints defense, they're not out there to stop the offense.
Speaker 1: They're out there to make plays in their own right,
Speaker 1: whether it's tackles for loss, a sacks, forcing turnovers, things
Speaker 1: like that. The Patriots defense needs to have that mentality
Speaker 1: this week, not just tackling Alvin Kamara, but getting to
Speaker 1: them in the backfield, not just knocking passes down, but
Speaker 1: picking them off when you get to the ballcarrier, right,
Speaker 1: because they got to be swarm tackling. First guy, hold
Speaker 1: them up, second guy, punch it out. It's got to
Speaker 1: be things like that this week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look I said this on Twitter, and I
Speaker 2: joke like about people coming after me, but they did
Speaker 2: come after me about it, and I thought it was
Speaker 2: a good take. My whole point was is that we
Speaker 2: can disagree with the head coach here the philosophical idea
Speaker 2: of winning the game on defense. We all agree that
Speaker 2: that's not how the game has played anymore. That's not
Speaker 2: how you can win anymore at a high level. We
Speaker 2: all agree, But the bottom line is that they came
Speaker 2: into the season expecting their defense to be dominant, and
Speaker 2: when you're a dominant defense, you turn the ball over.
Speaker 2: It's not just about points per game. It's not just
Speaker 2: about points per game. The Patriots have had great defenses
Speaker 2: in terms of points per game that have given up
Speaker 2: a ton of yards, and our ben don't break and
Speaker 2: then are good in the red zone and good situationally,
Speaker 2: so they don't give up, you know, forty points a game.
Speaker 2: They only give up eighteen. This defense was not built
Speaker 2: for that. This defense was built to take the ball away.
Speaker 2: And I think a couple of different things that I've
Speaker 2: noticed about the way that they play right now. First
Speaker 2: of all, you gotta play Kyle Duggart close to the ball.
Speaker 2: Kyle Duggar's got to be close to the ball. Whatever
Speaker 2: you have to do with Devin mccorty's role, like whatever
Speaker 2: whoever has to play post safety to make that happen.
Speaker 2: You gotta try to make that happen because playing him
Speaker 2: twelve yards off the ball at this snap every single
Speaker 2: time is taking away his superpower, which is playmaking around
Speaker 2: the football. He's got to be around the ball because
Speaker 2: he has to be producing the turnovers he was producing
Speaker 2: last year, and he's not doing that right now because
Speaker 2: he's playing so deep off the line of scrimmage. So
Speaker 2: a guy like Kyle Duggart needs to be close to
Speaker 2: the ball. You get JC back, hopefully mister Iront comes
Speaker 2: up with his signature a right, and maybe Jack Jones
Speaker 2: comes back at some point, and the ball hawks a
Speaker 2: little bit as well. But in general, you weren't I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: in the modern NFL, you are not a good defense.
Speaker 2: If you have two takeaways in four games, you just aren't.
Speaker 1: In a lot of errors, I don't even think that's
Speaker 1: a modern thing, a lot of errors. You're not a committee,
Speaker 1: it's like, especially in this era, because like that, that's
Speaker 1: how defense impacts the game more than anything else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a back and forth, right, Like the offense
Speaker 2: is gonna land some punches and you have to land
Speaker 2: some punches. They they have to turn the ball over
Speaker 2: more than they have. Yeah, and that's the I couldn't
Speaker 2: agree more with that. All Right, my last one here,
Speaker 2: this one's going you know me, I gotta go interior offensive.
Speaker 2: Okay Hurst, their right guard against Christian Barmore. This is
Speaker 2: the weak point of their offensive line right now. And
Speaker 2: of course I'm blanking on his freaking first name like
Speaker 2: an idiot. But Christian Barmore without I'll get it in
Speaker 2: here in this I'll keep talking. Christian Barmore without Matthew
Speaker 2: Judon becomes your second best pass rusher, right, Joshu Jay
Speaker 2: is your best pass rusher, and Christian Barmore becomes your
Speaker 2: second best. It's James Hurst, James.
Speaker 1: Hurst, Okay, all right, because and andrews Pete is out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so James Hurst is their right guard. I think
Speaker 2: he's like something like sixty second among seventy guards in
Speaker 2: pass blocking grade right now in PFF right, so like
Speaker 2: he can't pass block very well. And your one two
Speaker 2: punch now in the pass rush becomes josh U j
Speaker 2: and Christian Barmore. So I think they really need to
Speaker 2: get some interior pressure. Watching that film last week against
Speaker 2: the Bucks Vita Vea just eight Hurst alive was in
Speaker 2: the backfield for a lot of that game. So I
Speaker 2: need to see that that old rookie season Christian bar Moore.
Speaker 2: I know we all want to see kef. I was
Speaker 2: gonna say, can we put Keon White in there as well.
Speaker 2: But it's gonna is gonna get a lot more attention now,
Speaker 2: like is gonna be the judon of this defense in
Speaker 2: pass for situations. Now they have to get some interior pressure.
Speaker 2: They have to get some secondary rushers, and Christian Barmore
Speaker 2: has got to lead that. Okay, So I only gave one.
Speaker 1: One of them was just Rashichi heat kickoffs. Contain him
Speaker 1: the last one. This is the number I've been teasing
Speaker 1: all game, Evan, the Patriots third down offense against the
Speaker 1: Saints third down defense. And again when you get third
Speaker 1: and short, yeah, run the ball.
Speaker 2: They're not going to listen. Just to mess with you.
Speaker 1: The Saints have faced seventeen third and shorts this year,
Speaker 1: so we're going yards to go three or less? All right,
Speaker 1: nearly an even split on those plays. They faced eight
Speaker 1: runs nine passes.
Speaker 2: Yep. Okay.
Speaker 1: When Tames throw the ball against the Saints on third
Speaker 1: and short, yes, I can't tell if you're making fun
Speaker 1: of me, you're extra.
Speaker 2: I have it on a table here. Do you want
Speaker 2: to see it?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I just want to keep going. When which is when
Speaker 2: we need a whiteboard?
Speaker 1: Right, when teams throw the ball against the Saints on
Speaker 1: third and short. Yes, they are converting a first down
Speaker 1: thirty three percent of the time.
Speaker 2: It's not good.
Speaker 1: When they run the ball against the Saints on third
Speaker 1: and short sixty two percent of the time is good.
Speaker 1: That's better than the league average. The other ones worse.
Speaker 1: Run third and short, third and one hand the ball off.
Speaker 1: I feel like in the blind side, run the damn ball.
Speaker 1: And yes, the runs and include quarterback sneaks. No, no
Speaker 1: quarterback sneak, no handing it off out of the shotgun.
Speaker 1: No put zeke, put remandree back there, put Pharaoh Brown
Speaker 1: in front of him. In Sandra Bullock, run the damn ball,
Speaker 1: I think that's right.
Speaker 2: Did that start with Marshaun Lynch? I don't know, but
Speaker 2: that that's I always think it was Sandra Bullock.
Speaker 1: On third the Saints good against the pass, bad against
Speaker 1: the run on third and short the ball and there's
Speaker 1: no sample sized thing there same number of plays.
Speaker 2: I want run the ball. I want them to. I
Speaker 2: want them to make. You know, they made these like
Speaker 2: tough guys cover kick t shirts. Can we just run, like,
Speaker 2: make a T shirt that actually matters and it says
Speaker 2: run the damn ball. Tough teams run the ball on
Speaker 2: third and one. Yeah, that's a better T shirt.
Speaker 1: Tough teams run the ball on third and one.
Speaker 2: All right, very last thing here, then we gotta wrap
Speaker 2: really quickly. Just don't don't get yourself caught with your
Speaker 2: pants down when Taysom Hill comes in the game at
Speaker 2: quarter pot. Yeah, like, it's not a it's not like
Speaker 2: this huge thing but that we need to break down
Speaker 2: for thirty minutes. Don't worry marine, but the big the
Speaker 2: biggest thing is just looked at the clock. Don't be surprised, Like,
Speaker 2: don't be surprised when they try to run like QB
Speaker 2: power with Taysom Hill and all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 2: you know, it's the Wildcat Dolphins game with Ronnie Brown, right, Like,
Speaker 2: just don't don't take it lightly and don't be surprised
Speaker 2: by it. The Patriots have a plan against it. They'll
Speaker 2: be fine, but they will put Taysom Hill at quarterbacks
Speaker 2: some in this game and have them run wildcat Like
Speaker 2: that's going to happen. It happened, They did it last week,
Speaker 2: They're gonna do it again this week, and they're gonna
Speaker 2: try to hit the Patriots. I'm sure on some of
Speaker 2: the things that have given them problems, you know, like
Speaker 2: power and counter with Lamar and justin fields last year.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're gonna try to do some of those
Speaker 2: things and test it and see if the Patriots are
Speaker 2: ready for it. So just don't get yourself caught in
Speaker 2: a place where you're like, oh, right, Taysom Hill and
Speaker 2: then he's got, like, you know, a ridiculous game on
Speaker 2: his hands. This game is gonna be offense is gonna
Speaker 2: be at a premium for both of these teams. I think,
Speaker 2: you know, the Saints their quarterbacks banged up, and they
Speaker 2: haven't been a good offense so far. The Patriots haven't
Speaker 2: been a good offense because of their own reasons. And
Speaker 2: you know, this should be eighteen fifteen, seventeen fourteen type
Speaker 2: of game, and you don't want Taysom Hill to be
Speaker 2: the difference in that for New Orleans. Like one drive
Speaker 2: that Taysom Hill comes out and runs the ball down
Speaker 2: the field. So just be ready for that. Do you
Speaker 2: like the Patriots in this game on Sunday? You're taking
Speaker 2: the Patriots because they're at home? Yeah, I do, But
Speaker 2: I don't feel great about it. I mean neither I've
Speaker 2: taken the Patriots too, but listening to Nick Hunter Hill,
Speaker 2: I am a little bit concerned about the fact that
Speaker 2: the Saints probably have more offensive firepower that they just
Speaker 2: haven't really been using correctly. So I hope they don't.
Speaker 2: Hope this isn't the week that they figure it out.
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