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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth and Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us always.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barr.

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Speaker 2: Actually like Robert Solo, Okay, it's gonna leave that there.

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Speaker 1: I I like him less this year than I have

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Speaker 1: in the past, But this is actually one of the

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Speaker 1: few guys that I generally don't like to take shots at.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy, that that was crazy. That was crazy. But

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Speaker 2: in in every you know, in your defense, Alex, I

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Speaker 2: I took a lot of shots at Mike McCarthy last week,

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Speaker 2: and I was dead wrong. Yeah, I was dead wrong

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Speaker 2: about that. So we'll get into that. It's Evan Lazar

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Speaker 2: Alex Barth with you for the next couple of hours

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Speaker 2: here on Patriots Catch twenty two. We got some things

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Speaker 2: to look back. We're gonna do a post mortem. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna talk about the Dallas game. We're gonna do three up,

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Speaker 2: three down, or it's a little bit of a different

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Speaker 2: version of three up three this week, I should say,

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Speaker 2: and I'll tell you why in a few minutes. And

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Speaker 2: then we also have Nick Underhill calling in from NOLA

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Speaker 2: Dot football. We haven't done this before a call in guess,

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Speaker 2: but I wanted to have Nick Collin and get to

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Speaker 2: know the Saints a little bit. He's the best on

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Speaker 2: the Saints, and it is a team we don't see

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Speaker 2: what's going on in New Orleans. So we're gonna talk

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Speaker 2: some Saints with Nick and preview the Saints and do

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Speaker 2: our key matchups. But I have a couple of things

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Speaker 2: the beginning of the show. And I should also say that,

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Speaker 2: you know, I've been a little bit under the weather

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Speaker 2: this week, as you know, Alex, and so hopefully my

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Speaker 2: next two hours. But we'll cross that bridge when we

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Speaker 2: get to it. The first thing is that I want

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Speaker 2: to talk about a couple of things with the Patriots

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Speaker 2: offense and where we're headed here. Number one, I want

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Speaker 2: to address people that have been saying the last couple

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Speaker 2: an outright debacle. I was there in person, and it

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Speaker 2: was not fun to Witness Live. I'm sure it wasn't

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Speaker 2: fun for you guys watching it on TV. The people

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Speaker 2: that have come out and said the Patriots should tank

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Speaker 2: the rest of the season, And it's not like that

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Speaker 2: big of a thing. I'm not trying to make a

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Speaker 2: workings of the organization, Alex, you see plenty of it

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Speaker 2: yourself as well. Yeah, this starts for the coaches and

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Speaker 2: the players and the people within this building all the

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Speaker 2: The people in these walls and in this building are

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Speaker 2: bigger picture of why you tank, and I understand why

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Speaker 2: Maybe not like full on like you know, throwing interceptions

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Speaker 2: be quiet tanking. And I get the premise, but I

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Speaker 2: why even bother, why even bother making this trade. The

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Speaker 2: bottom line is is that the Patriots are not going

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Speaker 2: But you're not gonna have a team that's gonna tank.

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Speaker 2: No one's tanking in the Patriots, no one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think a lot of people don't understand

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Speaker 1: why would the coach try this? If they're trying to tank,

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Speaker 1: why would the players? Tanking happens from the general manager

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Speaker 1: level up right there? In any context, quiet tank, obvious tank,

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Speaker 1: whether it's to the organization they're working for and I'm

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Speaker 1: that goes away. Right, So, if they're gonna tank at

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Speaker 1: people go, oh, well, doesn't he want a better quarterback? No,

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Speaker 1: there's no incentive for Bill Belichick to tank at this point.

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Speaker 2: No. I mean, frankly, his job security right on the

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Speaker 2: And then what is the tech week I can talk

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Speaker 1: And we'll probably get to that at some point down

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Speaker 1: and they tell Michael Jordan like, hey, stop trying right,

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Speaker 1: This is a game that's being played right here, right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna win it. And I think that mentality, and

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Speaker 1: this applies to more than tanking, but I think you

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's a guy that had that capacity.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's something that would cross his mind. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So you can put the tanking away right now. That's

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Speaker 1: I hate it. When what was it?

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Speaker 1: It was the Texans and Colts last year? No Texans?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so they beat the Colts and if they

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Speaker 1: they won it, and people.

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Speaker 2: Are like, you know what, idiots they ended up with?

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Speaker 1: Right, so one, they might have ended up with a

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Speaker 1: They don't care what the pick is. Most of them

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Speaker 2: Or part of the rebuilder whatever, or.

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Speaker 1: If they already what they're gonna put the team in

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Speaker 1: better position to draft their replacement, like tanking doesn't. The

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. So with that that said, you know,

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Speaker 2: the other thing, like I kind of challenged fans in

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Speaker 2: to you know, think about that in that sense. So

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Speaker 2: let's let's move on from that. But for the players

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Speaker 2: for the Patriots, I I've watched quite a bit of

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Speaker 2: things coming off this game, and everybody's got an opinion

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Speaker 2: about what happened in Dallas, and understandably, that's that's the job,

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Speaker 2: that's what we do. But from my own film study,

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Speaker 2: not trying to excuse Mac of his play because this

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Speaker 2: was not good in this game. We know that. The

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Speaker 2: this group of players doesn't have that excuse anymore, like

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Speaker 2: they don't have the Patricia scapegoat anymore. And what I

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Speaker 2: but just the lack of fight. And it comes down

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Speaker 2: cover kicks, tough teams also run the football. Yes, tough

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Speaker 2: those old cliches that we hear in football, I subscribe

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Speaker 2: I am advocating for them to give an f right, Like,

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm advocating for. So first of all, you

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Speaker 2: Keep going. Second of all, I watched a clip, two

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Speaker 2: like Mac Jones as a person, as a teammate. That's

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Speaker 2: That's the sport. It's the same in hockey, right like

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Speaker 2: And I didn't think that Bill O'Brien would stand for it.

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Speaker 2: But this has become and you talk about the turnovers

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Speaker 2: you don't have the Patricia escapegoat anymore. He's not gonna

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Speaker 2: he's not gonna shield it for you anymore. So we're

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Speaker 2: coming after you now, like show some pride. That's all

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Speaker 1: There is this weird take this week that Matt Patricia

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Speaker 1: make that about Mac Jones. The guys won't stand up

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Speaker 2: Been a two year problem like this, these nutshells, you know,

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Speaker 2: But in this particular game, there is a lot of

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Speaker 1: Well, so, and I'll remember back when we were going

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Speaker 1: Do you remember that? Sure, I on Cliff kings parrience

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing with Bill O'Brien at Alabama, and you're

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Speaker 1: seeing it again. Alabama's offense last year schematically made a

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Speaker 1: It's the two plays against Dallas. There's the third and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mack Kaziki. Bad plays by both of them. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but well, but here's I think part of the

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Speaker 1: And they've become think about how many third or fourth

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Speaker 1: I don't need a twenty yard run fourth and one,

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Speaker 2: Try it.

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Speaker 1: The fourth and one.

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Speaker 1: The punt pins the Patriots at the two, and the

433
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Speaker 1: next play, Mac Jonalds just strip sacked essentially in the

434
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Speaker 1: end zone. So it's it's a snowball effect. These things

435
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Speaker 1: compound if you pick up those two first downs you're

436
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Speaker 1: probably not in a spot where you're pressing later in

437
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,000
Speaker 1: the game and mac Jones gets panicked and receivers are

438
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 1: trying to do too much and things like that. Bill

439
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,119
Speaker 1: O'Brien called that failed quarterback sneak a big moment in

440
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Speaker 1: the game. He called it that on Tuesday. He's right,

441
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,160
Speaker 1: if you can't pick up third and one, And then

442
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Speaker 1: when we talk about the Saints game, I want to

443
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,160
Speaker 1: get back into this. If you can't pick up third

444
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Speaker 1: and one on the ground, especially for a team that

445
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 1: wants to move the ball methodically.

446
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Speaker 2: What are you doing?

447
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 3: Yeah?

448
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Speaker 2: No, I mean I go back to twenty fifteen I

449
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 2: think it was, and that game in Denver, they had

450
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Speaker 2: like a third and one or fourth and one or

451
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Speaker 2: something for a big spot in the game. And I

452
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 2: remember coming off that game when they lost that. You know,

453
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 2: Dante Scarnekio had said, if you like good football teams,

454
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 2: good offenses, pick up third and one, right, Like, it's

455
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 2: not even a question.

456
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Speaker 1: But I they pick a third and one by just

457
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Speaker 1: lining up, get a hat on a hat and win

458
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Speaker 1: it the line of scrimmage.

459
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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, that was his point. I agree with you. Look,

460
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,640
Speaker 2: I've been I've been critical of the way that they've

461
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 2: schemed up the running game all year, and I thought

462
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Speaker 2: this game fell right into the same trap. First of all,

463
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Speaker 2: just from like a gameplay a matchup standpoint. Dallas is

464
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 2: a aggressive attack minded defense. They're a ballhowking defense, and they

465
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 2: are an aggressive front. We saw that it come full

466
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Speaker 2: of fruition, and that's why you lost by thirty five points.

467
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Speaker 2: So running the ball right at that Dallas is not

468
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Speaker 2: the way to run the ball against them. We talked

469
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Speaker 2: about this with the Cardinals, Like the Cardinals outflanked them,

470
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 2: they changed the point of attack. They use misdirection, they

471
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Speaker 2: use motion, and they outflanked Dallas. That's how you run

472
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Speaker 2: the ball against Dallas. You don't run the ball against

473
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Speaker 2: Dallas by running gap like duo right after right right like,

474
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Speaker 2: That's not how you do it, because they attack the

475
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Speaker 2: line of scrimmage and they come downhill at you, and

476
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Speaker 2: they get penetration in the backfield and they blow runs

477
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Speaker 2: up that way. You have to outflank Dallas and they

478
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Speaker 2: didn't even try to do that really very well. And schematically,

479
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Speaker 2: this run game, I don't think it's using the personnel

480
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Speaker 2: to the best of its ability either, because Frankly, their

481
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 2: tight ends can't block. Hunter Henry and Mikasiki are not

482
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Speaker 2: blocking tight ends. They can't block. So why are we

483
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Speaker 2: using Hunter Henry and mi Kasiki at the point of attack? Like,

484
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Speaker 2: why are we running to the y tight end in

485
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Speaker 2: this offense? They can't hold up at the point of attack.

486
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 2: Mike Kasiki, you know, coming into like a little motion

487
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Speaker 2: and and leading up through the B gap to try

488
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 2: to kick out a two hundred and fifty pound linebacker.

489
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: He can't do it. That's he's not winning that matchup.

490
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 2: So you have to, you know, find ways to use

491
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Speaker 2: them on the backside of runs and run away from

492
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Speaker 2: the tight ends and use them, you know, out on

493
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Speaker 2: the perimeter against safeties in corners where they might actually

494
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Speaker 2: be able to win that matchup. Kaziki and Henry, anytime

495
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 2: they are blocking a defensive end or a linebacker, they're

496
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: losing that matchup every time. And you can't do that anymore.

497
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Speaker 2: You have to figure out some different ways that this

498
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 2: run game right now is not creative. It's bland, and

499
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Speaker 2: they have to figure out they don't trust it. This

500
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Speaker 2: scheme it up.

501
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Speaker 1: But I think what's even worse is they don't trust it,

502
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Speaker 1: and I.

503
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Speaker 2: Don't blame them for not trusting it, okay, because they

504
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 2: can't block it. Like, they can't block it.

505
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Speaker 1: This team can't run the ball.

506
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Speaker 2: They're not going anywhere that we're on the same page

507
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Speaker 2: on that. I mean, that's the whole thing. And that's

508
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Speaker 2: why I'm saying that they need to figure out the

509
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 2: best way to use their personnel. This is not the

510
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 2: best way to run the football with this personnel. And

511
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Speaker 2: the reason why they've had to run out thirteen personnel

512
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 2: all the time with three tight ends is because they

513
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 2: can't block. So they have to add Pharaoh Brown into

514
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Speaker 2: the mix, and then they have to have some sort

515
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Speaker 2: of passing threat, so they have to have the other

516
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 2: two tight ends out there with him, because if it's

517
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 2: like twelve with Pharaoh Brown, then your real hotel. Yeah,

518
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: there's just not much to do there, and they need

519
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 2: to figure out how to run the ball. Like if

520
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: I had to sit here and say, I think we're

521
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 2: both in agreement, you know, what's the way to fix this?

522
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Speaker 4: Right?

523
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Speaker 2: Like, what's the way to salvage it? I think is

524
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 2: a better way of putting it than fix it. What's

525
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: the way to salvage it? The way to salvage it

526
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 2: is to get your offensive line in order and run

527
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Speaker 2: the ball. And until they get more creative, until they

528
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Speaker 2: get more imaginative in the run game, they're not going

529
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Speaker 2: to be able to run the ball. They're just not

530
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 2: because if they just try to hat on a hat

531
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Speaker 2: come right at teams, they don't have the blockers to

532
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Speaker 2: do it. And that's the bottom line.

533
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Speaker 1: Well, that's a problem because that's how you pick up

534
00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: third and one, fourth and one.

535
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's probably why they don't trust their running

536
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Speaker 2: game to do it.

537
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Speaker 1: I would almost rather them go down swinging in that

538
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: sense then keep going the tush push on fourth and two, which.

539
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Speaker 2: I get what you're saying. I just I think if

540
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Speaker 2: you're gonna go down swinging quote unquote, like you gotta

541
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Speaker 2: be more creative with it. Okay, so let's start to

542
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 2: get a jet sweep, can we get you know, some

543
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: sort of disdirection can be you know, like there's just

544
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Speaker 2: the point is is that you can't just especially against

545
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: teams that have good fronts like Dallas does. The Saints

546
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 2: have a good front two, but it's not quite as

547
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Speaker 2: good as the teams they've played so far in the

548
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 2: first month. I would say, maybe it's better than Miami's,

549
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 2: but it's close in general. Like when you get to

550
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Speaker 2: some of these games where you're not playing these ridiculously

551
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Speaker 2: talented fronts, you know, against the Raiders for example in

552
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: Vegas the week after this, like maybe those are our

553
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: games that you can come right at those teams. Right

554
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: in these games against the fronts that are that are

555
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 2: better than your offensive line, which is a lot of

556
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: teams at the moment, you have to be creative, like

557
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 2: you can't just run right at them.

558
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Speaker 1: So okay, that brings me to two personnel points.

559
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Speaker 2: One.

560
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: Tomorrow Douglas played eighteen snaps last week. A few wist

561
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Speaker 1: of anybody but Time Montgomery, who we've also said, we

562
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: want to see you more. But yeah, they ran the

563
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: end around to tomorrow Douglas against the Jets. They did

564
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Speaker 1: it in a key moment in the game. Where was

565
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: that the other thing?

566
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Speaker 3: Uh?

567
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: All right, look, so you talk about getting the offensive

568
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: line right, yep, and we can get into maybe Riley

569
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Speaker 1: Reef coming back. But we were texting about this yesterday. It's

570
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: our job to say, you know, kind of analyze this thing.

571
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Speaker 1: And even if we're banging our head against the wall,

572
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Speaker 1: I think it's time to bring this up. Evan, I

573
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: said to you back in training camp, at what point

574
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Speaker 1: do we have the con because best five, right, that's

575
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Speaker 1: what you're talking about when you say get the offensive

576
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Speaker 1: line in order, you're talking about getting figuring out your

577
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: best five, getting the best five on the field.

578
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 2: Yep.

579
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Speaker 1: I said to you back in training camp, and this

580
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: was an honest question at the time. How long can

581
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: they go before they seriously have to have the micro

582
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: and WNU at right tackle conversation? You said about three

583
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Speaker 1: or four weeks if it looks bad in three or

584
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Speaker 1: four weeks, spot on one. Now, as I bring this up,

585
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: do I think there's any chance it happens? No, because

586
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: I think if they were gonna do it, they would

587
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: have done it already. Yeah, but we're not doing our jobs.

588
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: If we sit here and don't don't say that it

589
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: should be an option, because, yeah, you put him out there.

590
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: Riley Reef looked good at right guard this summer when

591
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: they moved him in there, he did. I actually think

592
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Speaker 1: if you went on whenu Reef Andrews whoever left guard,

593
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: col Strange if he's healthy at Tonio Maffi's not, and

594
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: then Trent Brown. That's not a bad line. I'm not

595
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and tell you they're great. But you

596
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: you love to soccer. On this right you can cover

597
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: up one spot. Yeah, if you're covering up left guard

598
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: and that's your spot. And on Whenos holding down right

599
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: tackle and Reef looks like he did at the summer

600
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: and right guard, you might be okay.

601
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 2: You can at least be able to like maybe run

602
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: the ball a little bit better. Yes, Like Reef is

603
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 2: not a great pass blocker at this point of his

604
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: career because of his foot.

605
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: Speed, but that's he mitigated at guard well. And he's

606
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: also just like a tough guy, Like he's a hard nose,

607
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: tough like road grading type of blocker.

608
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 2: Maybe he can block a little bit. Yeah, look, I

609
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 2: I think you absolutely have to have the on winning discussion.

610
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: I thought Mafi was actually pretty good all things, which

611
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: I think.

612
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: Makes it even more of a talking pain.

613
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think Mafi's got to be in there.

614
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: I would at this point if you're just going off of.

615
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,959
Speaker 1: So then if if Riley Reef isn't ready to put

616
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: Mafiat right guard strange at.

617
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: Left, if you're just going off of the film, that

618
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 2: we've seen so far, and I'm not, you know, not

619
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 2: to take the the film last year for Cold Strange

620
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: out of it, take the fact that he was a

621
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Speaker 2: first round pick out of it. If you just asked

622
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: me to grade Cole Strange versus Antonio Mafi, I'm taking Mafi.

623
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 2: I'm taking Mafi. Yeah, I think he's better. I would

624
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: go Trent at right, Trent from left to right, Trent,

625
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: Mafy Andrews. Probably figure out whatever you can. Reef, you know,

626
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 2: probably if Ree's healthy, i'd and then and then tackle.

627
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: If you don't, if Reef's not ready, then maybe Strange

628
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: still plays left guard and Mafi plays right guard, and

629
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: you would put you wouldn't put out there. No, okay,

630
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: I think he's still better than so okay, and I

631
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: think that, like there is something to be said for

632
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: the fact of like pulling a first round pick a

633
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: year ago, like a right fair enough.

634
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: But but but the point being like, and and you know,

635
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: I don't we don't need to do too much of

636
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: this because for whatever reason, it's not going to happen. Yeah,

637
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: but I still feel like we should bring it up

638
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: because they probably should consider it.

639
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So that I didn't. I'm glad we

640
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: we did this because I didn't want to, like, you know,

641
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: everybody's leading with Mac in the quarterback situation before we

642
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: get Nick on here, and like ten minutes or so,

643
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: I do want to talk a little bit of Mac,

644
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: And we're going to get to him, I'm sure, and

645
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: studs and duds as well in the second hour of

646
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: the show. But my whole thing with Mac is, uh,

647
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: you know, first of all, the stuff that he put

648
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: out there on Sunday is not not NFL caliber. No,

649
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: he can't play that way and stay in the league

650
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: and stay as a starter, I should say in the league,

651
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: I am. You can make excuses for him in terms

652
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: of the line. The offensive line right now Alex is

653
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: dead last and pass blocking there's the thirty second ranked

654
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: unit in pass blocking on in every metric. Yeah, they're

655
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: the worst pass blocking line in the league. So you

656
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: can make those excuses for him. You can make the

657
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 2: excuses that he doesn't have a lot of firepower on

658
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: the outside and skill positions and stuff like that. That's

659
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: all valid and all true. That does an excuse doing

660
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: what he did on Sunday. No, Like, you still have

661
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: NFL guys around you. You still shouldn't be imploding like that.

662
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: His second quarter was as bad of a football quarter

663
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: as I've seen any quarterback play. I mean, bad play

664
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: after bad play after. It wasn't just the turnovers like

665
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 2: it was the other plays in that quarter that could

666
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: have been turnovers or were just disaster plays as well.

667
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: It's snowbottled him and he fell apart. I think the

668
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: two biggest things that stand out that are you know,

669
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: one is I'm willing to he corrects this week and

670
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: it doesn't happen again, at least as badly as it

671
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: did against Dallas.

672
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: Is all the crazy like out of structure stuff across

673
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: the body y, Yeah, like all.

674
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: That decision making stuff that he did, you know, the

675
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 2: back across the you know, the two throws across the field, Uh,

676
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: the scrambling one on the right hand side where he

677
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: basically threw it right to Dallas again and he just

678
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: dropped the guy to drop the interception. Like those types

679
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: of things. I don't think he's gonna do again.

680
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: I'll say, if I was the coaching staff, I'd tell

681
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: him I'd pull him if I saw one of those week,

682
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: I would say, we'd rather you eat a twenty yard sack.

683
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: We need to see that you're not going to be

684
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,959
Speaker 1: doing that because that's not NFL quarterback.

685
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the thing I'm most concerned about, and

686
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: this isn't toil. Like you know, people they always get

687
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: on me for taking victory laps and things like that.

688
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: I'm really not trying to do that. But in week one,

689
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: you remember, Yeah, I came out and I said that

690
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: I didn't think mac Jones played that great against the Eagles,

691
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: and I broke down all of the like minut shows

692
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: to why with his footwork and things like that, that

693
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: I was concerned about how he played against Philadelphia despite

694
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: the stat line, and I got attacked. Alex I got attacked.

695
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: People were coming after me for it. They were like,

696
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? You don't know ball? You

697
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: threw for three hundred yards through for three dds, YadA, YadA, YadA.

698
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: I have seen mac Jones' footwork be crappy all season long.

699
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: He has not been right with his feet all year long.

700
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: He's thrown off his back foot, he's fading out of pockets,

701
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: he's bailing out of pockets. He's not you know, his

702
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: feet aren't pointed in the hallway right, you created the

703
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: hallway of where you're going with the football. His feet

704
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: aren't pointed in the right directions. His feet are an

705
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: utterly gross mess right now. I don't think it was

706
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: as bad in the first three games as it was

707
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: on so of course it wasn't. But what my concern

708
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: was is that I was starting to see these signs

709
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: of his footwork falling apart, and I think the main

710
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: thing that you have to look at is to me,

711
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: the main thing is is that he can't survive this

712
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: level playing like that. Yeah, his footwork can't be inconsistent

713
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: like that. He can't, you know, be have happy feet

714
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: in the pocket and you know, just be I don't

715
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: even know what the word is, just unsettled in the pocket.

716
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: He can't be those things because he doesn't have the

717
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: arm talent to make up for it. And so what

718
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: I saw against Philadelphia was you know, throws that were

719
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: short into the sideline, throws over the middle of that

720
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: needed more zip on them, and they were some of

721
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: these were completed, yeah, but they were leaving yards on

722
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,239
Speaker 2: the field because they weren't completed as well as they

723
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: could have been. And this game, it was all of

724
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: that turned up to a life.

725
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: I think you could see his decision making his mechanics

726
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: fall apart in real time. He completely imploded. And look,

727
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't you kind of said to begin there wasn't

728
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: going great around and the line was playing poorly. The

729
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: receivers you're playing poorly. Your first round quarterback, your job

730
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: is to elevate that group. Your job is say get

731
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: behind me. We're going to clean this up. And it

732
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: starts at me. And Mac has said that, like verbally,

733
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: he said it at press conferences. Son was not a

734
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: good example of that. They followed the body language of

735
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: their quarterback through and through. Yeah, And it's just you

736
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: could tell he You hear players talk a lot about,

737
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, how do you come back from a deficit.

738
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: You can't make it all up in one play. You

739
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: can't chase it all in one play. And that's what

740
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: it felt like he was trying to do that whole game.

741
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: He was trying to race it a fourteen, twenty twenty

742
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: eight whatever it was point deficit in a single play

743
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: on every single snap, and he's wheeling off his back

744
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: foot and look, I thought early to get he was

745
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: running around a lot. And that goes to the offensive line.

746
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: I thought early early in that game, and I talked

747
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: about how the first drive was promising. He did a

748
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: good job of kind of moving around but still playing

749
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: within himself. As soon as they missed that fourth and one,

750
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: right that play with the fumble, Buddy, you got to

751
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: know where you are on the field, Yeah, you gotta,

752
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,479
Speaker 1: and to be running around with the ball back there

753
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: like the Mike Vick animation and mad No. Four which

754
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: isn't real. He can't run around with the ball like

755
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: that for real. And to do it on your own

756
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: goal line, that's just trying to do too much. And

757
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: I think from that point on, and that's why I

758
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: go back to that play call, they failed that, and

759
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: I think as a quarterback, as other offensive players. And

760
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: this isn't to excuse Mac, but this is just to

761
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: kind of prove that point. I would bet truth serum,

762
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: you asked, Mac, did you panic after you didn't get

763
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: that fourth down? I would bet he said. Yet he

764
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: would say yes, and I think other players would say yes.

765
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: And you could see it because that moment is where

766
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't even it was before the turnover. People pointed

767
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: that turnover and say, oh, he turned the ball over

768
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: once and fell apart. No, he fell apart when they

769
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: didn't get the quarterback sneak. And I think some of

770
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 1: that is probably, well, if we can't get this, we're

771
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: in big trouble, and now I have to do things

772
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: I don't usually do, and Mac, there's a reason you

773
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: don't usually do them, it's because he can't.

774
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe I also think that in some ways, and

775
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: in both of the turnovers actually kind of in the

776
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 2: first half speak to this, he hit the throw to

777
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: pop Douglas out of structure, and then I think he thought, oh,

778
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: I pulled it off one time, right, And then on

779
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: the second interception on the pick six, he hit that

780
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: throat hit earlier, and I wonder if he had like

781
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: a false sense of security of like, oh, well, maybe

782
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: I can pull these off today, you know. I think

783
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: it's both.

784
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: I think it's a sense of panic that leads him

785
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: to make these those plays and then they happen to

786
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: hit and then it's like, let me go back to that.

787
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: So I think the biggest thing though, in terms of

788
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,959
Speaker 2: moving forward and the best thing that I could say

789
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: like for Mac and the best advice that I hope

790
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: the coaching staff and Bill O'Brien and Evan Rostein and

791
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: those guys are giving him is relocating in the pocket?

792
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: Is your best friend? Yeah, you he's not. He's not

793
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 2: a mobile quarterback. He's not a mobile quarterback. He shouldn't

794
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: be trying to get outside the pocket. He shouldn't be

795
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 2: trying to scramble. He shouldn't be trying to create out

796
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: of structure. He needs to play, like he said yesterday,

797
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: he needs to play within the scheme, right, within the

798
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: framework of the offense. So what what I've always had

799
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: reservations about with Mac and like canns about with the

800
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: way that he plays, is that he doesn't have that

801
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: Brady pocket movement gene where he can move and like

802
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: short bursts in the pocket. So if your left guard

803
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: is getting beat, and I'm not like picking on Mafi,

804
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: I'm just using it as an example, maybe the right

805
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: tackle would have been a better example in this case.

806
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: If your right tackle is getting beat, but the other

807
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: four fifths of the line have created a pocket, you

808
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,959
Speaker 2: have to be able to maneuver to find the air

809
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 2: space right like right, Just take a little step to

810
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: the left and a little step up and do it

811
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: quickly and then reset your feet and make a throw.

812
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 2: He doesn't. He he has two things. He either bails

813
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: on the pocket or he throws off his back foot

814
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 2: and just stands there and take it and takes the hit.

815
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: And he's got to learn because of the fact that

816
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: he needs to throw from that sturdy base and that

817
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 2: sturdy platform with his feet set, he's got to learn

818
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: how to make those Brady Jedi like movements in the

819
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: pocket and have that sense of the pressure and where

820
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 2: is the clean air space and where are are am

821
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: I protected? And where am I not protected? Because bailing

822
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: on the pocket can't be an option for him because

823
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: he's not gonna create yards with his legs, And throwing

824
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: off his back foot can't be an option for him

825
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 2: because he's not gonna be able to put enough mustard

826
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: on the throws to.

827
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: Make the well, no quarterright period, no quarterbacktually thrown off

828
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: their back foot. That's like Patrick Mahomes can throw off

829
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: his back Again, we've established this.

830
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: He's not as good as Patrick. I'm not saying that.

831
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 2: I'm saying that like those types of guys can do

832
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 2: that type of stuff. He's got to learn how to

833
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: work within what he's his skill set is and if

834
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 2: he doesn't need like move off his spots a little bit. Sometimes.

835
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 2: You know, there's one play where Michaeh Parsons yet he

836
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: comes up the middle and he's and he's coming through,

837
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: but David Andrews gets just enough of him to like

838
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 2: knock Parsons off his track just a little bit, and

839
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: all Mack has to do is step to his right,

840
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: reset and make a throw, and instead he just lets

841
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: Parsons hit him right. And so that those little things

842
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 2: like the maneuvering of the pocket and finding the clean

843
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: air and you know, resetting your base and you know,

844
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: a little quick move to the left and reset, those

845
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 2: are the types of things that pocket quarterbacks need to master.

846
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: If you're gonna be a really good pocket quarterback, and

847
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: especially one that doesn't have a big arm, you have

848
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: to be able to reset your base and make throws

849
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: like that where you're not you're not scrambling, you're just

850
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: moving like an inch here inch there in the pocket.

851
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 2: If he can't figure out how to do that, then

852
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: this is how it's gonna look like, not as bad

853
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: as it is on Sunday, but like for the first

854
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: month of this season, this is how it's gonna look,

855
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 2: he's made some good throws staring down the barrel right

856
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: like guys are coming at him, and he's made some

857
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: good throws. But he's got to figure out how to

858
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: make those little subtle movements in the pocket. I haven't

859
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: really seen him do that at this level, at a

860
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: high level regularly. I haven't really seen him have that

861
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: type of pocket movement. And he's got to figure out

862
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 2: how to do that because he's got to throw with

863
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: his feet set. He has to throw on time and

864
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: with his feet set, So you have to figure out

865
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: ways to work around that. I don't think you know,

866
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 2: And I thought Billy Oh said it perfectly when he

867
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 2: said it was uncharacteristic of him to make some of

868
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: the decisions that he made in that game. Spot on.

869
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: It was there. No one's like thinking that Mac Jones

870
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: gonna throw across the field and throw pick sixes like

871
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: he did on Sunday all the time. It was and

872
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: characteristic of him. But the little throws here and there

873
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: that he missed in that game were because of his

874
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: footwork and his pocket movement. Yeah, all right, we're gonna

875
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 2: get Nick underhill here on the line in the second.

876
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 2: So I don't want to get too much off on

877
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: anything else. But I think the other couple of things

878
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: in this game that were obviously troubling were the injuries.

879
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 2: But the Patriots did make a trade for J. C. Jackson, Yes,

880
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 2: and I did want to get to that. And I

881
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: think the trade for j. C. Jackson, we went over

882
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 2: the whole tanking thing and things like that, So I

883
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 2: understand that, you know, some people want to don't see

884
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 2: the point of trading for J. C. Jackson, But who's

885
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: out of practice today? And I really like this move.

886
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 2: I think that they had to do something to remain

887
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: competitive on defense, and this move puts it there. And

888
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: we'll get to that in a second, though, because I

889
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: don't want to leave Nick on hold for too long.

890
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 2: So let's talk a little bit of Saints. Let's let's

891
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: transition to the Saints, and we got Nick Underhill from

892
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: NOLA dot Football here on the line. Nick, how's it going, man?

893
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us.

894
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 3: Hey doing well?

895
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: How you guys doing good? Good? So I think the

896
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: you know, the first question that I had for you,

897
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: Nick is actually, you know, I always find it interesting

898
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 2: how other teams viewed the Patriots, right, Like, how do

899
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 2: you look at the Patriots right now in the state

900
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: that they're in, and we just, you know, kind of

901
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: bashed them for the last forty five minutes of our

902
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: show after Sunday's game. But what is what is like

903
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 2: the conversations down in New Orleans right now about this

904
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: game on Sunday.

905
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, there's always the Patriots mystique, and I'm

906
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 3: sure that's kind of imished a little bit more for

907
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 3: people that are closer to the team, but I think

908
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 3: from a distance there's still there's still that, you know,

909
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 3: there's still the reference for what they are and what

910
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 3: they were and who Bill Belichick is and all that stuff.

911
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: But I mean, look, I mean they're they're kind of

912
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: in a rough spot on offense, and I mean I

913
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 3: think that's acknowledged, But so were the Saints. You know,

914
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 3: they're kind of like weirdly parallel right now, where there's

915
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 3: just these like totally atrocious offenses. I think the thing

916
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 3: that maybe gives the Saints a little bit more hope

917
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 3: than probably what the Patriots have is that you look

918
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 3: around and there's actually talented players that you assume will

919
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: eventually get things going a little bit. But you know,

920
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 3: I don't think they're taking the Patriots lately at all,

921
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: even though they're catching them at a time when they're

922
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 3: pretty banged up and they just lost their two best

923
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 3: players and all that stuff. But I mean, Belichick's still Belichick. Man.

924
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 3: That name carries cachet probably further away than it does

925
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 3: that right now, but it's definitely still there.

926
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wanted to ask you about the offense too,

927
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 2: because you just said I think the one difference as

928
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: I've looked at the Saints is that they got Chris Alave.

929
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 2: You know, Calvin al Alvin Kamara's coming back or Shahid, right,

930
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: I am saying I always mess that name up for

931
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: some reason, but he's an explosive player, and Michael Thomas

932
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 2: is back. Like That's the one thing that you could

933
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: say about New Orleans to me is that they do

934
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 2: have some weapons down there. And what's been the problem

935
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: with the offense though, because here in New England obviously

936
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: it's not quite that you can't really sit here and say, well,

937
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: they could get it together because they have Chris Alave,

938
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: you know, if you catch my drift.

939
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think it's three things. I mean, their

940
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 3: their offensive line was was absolutely brutal, the first two

941
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 3: maybe three weeks of the season, I think you could say,

942
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 3: I mean that they weren't blocking anyone, like they were

943
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 3: losing one on ones. They kind of got it together

944
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 3: this week, so I think that there's tigns of hope,

945
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 3: and you should assume that they're going to eventually get

946
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 3: it together because I mean, you go across the board

947
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: and they got three first round picks started in the

948
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 3: second round pick start, and a first round pick on

949
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 3: the bench. I mean, they should be good at uh

950
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: at blocking out. There's just been so much resource spent there.

951
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 3: And Doug Maroon's the coach. I mean, he's a former

952
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 3: head coach in the league twice. I mean, so they

953
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 3: have the players that have the coaching. I think last

954
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 3: week we saw a corner turned, and I'm inclined to

955
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 3: believe it just based on some of that stuff. You know.

956
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: The other thing is that I think Derek Carr's kind

957
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 3: of underwhelmed a little bit. You know, obviously he's just

958
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 3: kind of like a like a league average quarterback, but

959
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 3: I think he's probably been a little bit subpar so far.

960
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: Lack of chemistry, some slow decisions, just not really what

961
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 3: you expected to see. To start the season, and then

962
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 3: the last thing is is and look, I'm not someone

963
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 3: that ever comes after coaching really like I just never

964
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 3: really feel comfortable doing it. It's it's always feels like

965
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 3: like a half day criticism. But their play calling I

966
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 3: think has been legitimately atrocious to the point like where

967
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 3: you can see stuff happening in real time and just

968
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 3: kind of you're scratching your head at the things they're doing,

969
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 3: just in terms of like how they're attacking certain coverages,

970
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 3: how they're using their personnel. Like it's just there's a

971
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: lot of nonsensical things happening right now. I did an

972
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 3: interview with Alvin Kamara yesterday. He didn't like directly call

973
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 3: it out, but if you read between the lines, like

974
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 3: it was seven minutes of saying like, hey, like we

975
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 3: got to be better at play calling. So it's definitely

976
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 3: a thing that they're looking at. Dennis Allen spoke on

977
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 3: it this week that that, you know, Pete Carmichael Junior

978
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 3: needs to do a better job beyondsive coordinator. So I mean,

979
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 3: it's it's definitely not coming together as expected, but you know,

980
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 3: as you said, I think the players are there for

981
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 3: it to eventually turn around. It should turn around, and

982
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 3: if it doesn't, I mean, I really do think this

983
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 3: is a situation where, you know, if it's if it's

984
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 3: the same, they play the Patriots this week, Houston next week.

985
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 3: If you don't see improvement over the next two weeks,

986
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: you know, I could see a change occurrent here.

987
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: All Right.

988
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: I got to ask you about Derek Carr, and I

989
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: know you know how tough it can sometimes be to

990
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: follow the storylines of other teams when you're trying to

991
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: cover a game. So last week, so first of all,

992
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: so Derek Carr sprained the AC joint his right children.

993
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 1: This is like the same injury that you know Jimmy

994
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: Garoppolo quarterbacks have missed time with right Yeah.

995
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 3: He's frayed the ac joint. He didn't practice like the

996
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 3: whole week last week, came back on Friday through, looked okay,

997
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 3: went in the game, and I mean there were a

998
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 3: couple of throws where I thought he definitely looked like

999
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 3: he was injured a little bit. I mean, he tried

1000
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 3: to go down the field to Alave once underthrew him,

1001
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 3: tried to go down to Alave again, under throw them again,

1002
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 3: like they were just like a handful of things they

1003
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 3: were trying to attack to the flats. It was really

1004
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: really ugly. I mean that their top two tight ends

1005
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 3: were out of the game, and when you're trying to

1006
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 3: run screens behind Jimmy Graham, I mean, it's just probably

1007
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 3: not gonna work. So I mean that that's kind of

1008
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 3: where they were at with it, and it was just

1009
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 3: kind of a really ugly looking game. You know, he's

1010
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 3: looked okay this week in practice, we're we see like

1011
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 3: it slightly more than you guys do out of these sessions.

1012
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 3: Like we see like the first fifteen minutes you see

1013
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 3: routes on air and then like there's there's sometimes like

1014
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 3: a little bit of like a red zone period that

1015
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 3: you get to see, so like there's a little bit

1016
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 3: more of a sampling, and he's looked okay. You know,

1017
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be He's gonna start obviously this week.

1018
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 3: You know, I do think it is it is an

1019
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 3: issue though, like it but they're shooting it up and

1020
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 3: he's playing through it. And you know, he did throw

1021
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 3: a ball like fifty yards through the air last week.

1022
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 3: Again it was a little under thrown, but like he's

1023
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 3: not super limited that he is a little bit limited.

1024
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: So and just to kind of tighten that, you just

1025
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: talked about the play calling, Like I'm looking at it.

1026
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: Twenty three pass completions for one hundred and twenty seven yards, right,

1027
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: you just said he could throw a ball down the field.

1028
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: But is this something you believe that to any extent

1029
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 1: they have to call around right now?

1030
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just the last game was crazy. He

1031
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 3: threw thirty seven passes an average three point four yards

1032
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 3: a completion. Like I've never seen anything like that in

1033
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 3: like my entire it was. It was unbelievable to watch.

1034
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: It was just look, I mean it's a little bit

1035
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 3: like I think they got a coach around it a

1036
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 3: little bit to an extent. But I mean there's just

1037
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 3: also things like if you go break down this film,

1038
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 3: like you want to rip out your hair a little bit,

1039
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: like they're doing things like there's just nothing over the

1040
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 3: middle like at all, Like they're just like attacking to

1041
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 3: the outside, like you're going against like cover two middle

1042
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 3: of the fields open. There's there's not even routes like

1043
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 3: going up the middle of the field, Like you aren't

1044
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 3: even bluffing how you should be attacking some of these coverages,

1045
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 3: like you know, cover three, Like there's that hole behind

1046
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 3: the linebacker in the safety, like you should have people

1047
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 3: running routes through there, Like there's no routes going through there.

1048
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 3: So it's it's play calling, and I think cars just

1049
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 3: not executed well. Like he's been terrible in the red zone,

1050
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 3: which is which has been you know, kind of the

1051
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 3: story of his whole career. That was the thing coming

1052
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 3: out of Vegas that that you know, he just wasn't

1053
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 3: good in the red zone. I think there are three

1054
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 3: for twelve this year in the red zone. It's not

1055
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 3: been good. You know. Some of the throws down there

1056
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 3: have been like a little bit panicky. Sometimes he's holding

1057
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 3: the ball a little bit too long. On the play

1058
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 3: he got injured on, I think he was like trusting

1059
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 3: his blocking maybe, so I don't totally fault him, but

1060
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,479
Speaker 3: if you go back and look at it, it's like, damn,

1061
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 3: you could have got rid of that ball and maybe

1062
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 3: avoided a hit. Uh. You know. So there's just a

1063
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 3: few things where where it's just sometimes a little bit slow,

1064
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 3: sometimes a little bit of a lack of chemistry. But

1065
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 3: I don't think they're doing enough to help them, Like

1066
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 3: with the play call, and I mean there's the spacing

1067
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 3: on some of their their routes, like they just it

1068
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 3: doesn't make sense. It's sloppy. You got people ended up

1069
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: in the same place on the field. There was an

1070
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 3: incompletion at the end of the Green Bay game. Jamis

1071
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 3: was a quarterback, but you have Chris A. Love and

1072
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 3: Mike Thomas ended up in the exact same spot. And like,

1073
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 3: these are things that that we used to see, like

1074
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 3: Sean Payton just like hammering them to the point that

1075
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 3: it was like ridiculous about just the proper spacing on splits,

1076
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 3: Like he would respit like reset somebody like and tell

1077
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: them to move over six inches. And he was right though,

1078
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 3: Like it's what needed to happen for the play to

1079
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 3: work right, for the time to work right, for everybody

1080
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 3: done up in the right places. And like, I just

1081
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 3: think like some of those like super hard details have

1082
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 3: gone to the wayside a little bit, you know, with

1083
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 3: Carmenical taken over and it's it's a little bit of

1084
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 3: it's just kind of like a little bit of everything underwhelming.

1085
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 3: But I think all it takes is one week and

1086
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 3: it could click. But the thing with Carmichael is last

1087
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 3: year it was underwhelming. This year it's underwhelming. Like you're

1088
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 3: just kind of starting to get to the point where

1089
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 3: it's like maybe this is just who he is and

1090
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 3: it's not going to get significantly better.

1091
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: That sounds kind of familiar. Yeah, the spacing and things

1092
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 2: like that was definitely eerily similar. I was like, that's,

1093
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 2: you know, that's how the Patriots were for twenty years,

1094
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: and that hasn't been how it's been for you know,

1095
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 2: two or three now. I want to move over to

1096
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,479
Speaker 2: the defense, though, because that is for both teams, really

1097
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 2: the strength of their team. I wanted to talk about

1098
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: the secondary in New Orleans though. You know, obviously we

1099
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 2: know Lattimore, we know Honey Badger, Tyron Matthew, but some

1100
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 2: of these other guys like Isaac Gideam and some of

1101
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 2: these other players are starting to step up for them

1102
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 2: and they've been a really good pass defense. What have

1103
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: you seen from those guys?

1104
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, so A Lottimore has been I think he's probably

1105
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 3: playing the best he's played in his career. Mike Evans

1106
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 3: got him place last week, so I mean that's usually

1107
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 3: a matchup to a Lottimore wins. He he definitely lost

1108
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 3: that one. And then Evans got hurt. But he's been

1109
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 3: really good. He's proud, like the thak with Latimer is

1110
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 3: like throughout his career, like he hasn't been like a

1111
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 3: good practicer. He wasn't serious of practice. I don't think,

1112
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 3: you know. And that's changed over the last couple of years.

1113
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 3: There's a maturation to his game and he looks really

1114
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 3: really good so far this year. And Tyron Matthew I

1115
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 3: think is playing better this year than he did last

1116
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 3: year as well, Like coming into the season last year

1117
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 3: that he had something going on in his personal life.

1118
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 3: He left her in camp, he came back. It just

1119
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 3: kind of took it a little while to settle in

1120
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 3: and get going, build chemistry and all that. Once it clicked,

1121
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 3: it clicked though, and he was good the second half

1122
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 3: of the year. But he's looked really good to start

1123
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 3: the season. The other stafety Marcus May he's serving a suspension.

1124
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 3: He'll be out this week. His backup Jordan Howden, was

1125
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 3: out last week. That's a rookie fits round pack. He's

1126
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 3: been pretty solid. He should be back this week, but

1127
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 3: he's playing through yet hand surgery, so his hand will

1128
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 3: probably be club so I don't know. Turnover potential is

1129
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 3: probably pretty low at that spot. The other qurnerback you

1130
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 3: mentioned Aasak Yeadham. He started the last two weeks. There

1131
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 3: was an injury to Pulsing a Deevo Pussing and Debos

1132
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 3: should be back and playing in that spot. The atom

1133
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 3: has been awesome, so it's gonna be interesting to see.

1134
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 3: Like Devo's a very physical corner, but he can definitely

1135
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 3: be exploited. Uh, he likes to He's kind of like gravy.

1136
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 3: There's a lot of p I penalties, so that that's

1137
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 3: you know, something that that could potentially be exploited. Double

1138
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 3: moves is something that I would run a lot about him.

1139
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 3: And then the guy in the slot, Alante Taylor. So

1140
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 3: much energy, so much passion, tons of talent, tons of upside,

1141
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 3: unbelievable athleticism, plays out of control sometimes and you know

1142
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 3: sometimes in the run game there's there's mistackles. He's new

1143
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 3: to the slot this year, definitely still learning it. And

1144
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 3: you know there's ups and there's downs. When he flashes

1145
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 3: like he flashes like nobody else, and when he gets beat,

1146
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 3: he gets beat like nobody else.

1147
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and two other just you know more veteran guys

1148
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 2: on that defense. First of all, I'm glad that Tomrio

1149
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: Davis is finally starting to get some national attention as

1150
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: one of the time linebackers in the NFL. He's the

1151
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 2: type of guy that I think could really ruin this

1152
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 2: game for the Patriots the way you know, how aggressive

1153
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: he is and things like that. You know, what is

1154
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 2: what has been, you know, the key to his ascension though,

1155
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: to getting on more of like a national stage, if

1156
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: you will.

1157
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 3: It's surprising me that people are just kind of paying

1158
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 3: attention to him. And it's funny. He was like, I

1159
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 3: think a second team All Pro and had never made

1160
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 3: the Pro Bowl yet because like fans just never heard

1161
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: about it. I don't understand it. He's been incredible though,

1162
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 3: and you know, it's funny that people are catching up

1163
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 3: to him now because like he was, he was probably

1164
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 3: better two years ago. Like he's just he he had

1165
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 3: this like back half of his career here that was

1166
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 3: just it's just been unbelievable. And you know, he's getting

1167
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 3: a little bit older, but he's just so smart and

1168
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: so anticipatory that it doesn't it doesn't matter. Like he's

1169
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 3: seems like he's still improving a little bit like in

1170
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 3: that aspect. But he's he's just great at everything. He's

1171
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 3: incredibly sound. He's he's solid and coverage, they can use

1172
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 3: him as a blitzer. They like to use them as blitzer.

1173
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 3: He's really good at that. He's just he's just such

1174
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 3: a cerebral player. And you know, he's he's the guy

1175
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 3: calling stuff out before it happens all the time. Like

1176
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 3: he's just he's he's just really really good, really really sound.

1177
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 3: You don't really see him make too many mistakes. He

1178
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 3: missed the tackle against Green Bay, but I mean it's

1179
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 3: like one mistake that that, you know, the whole season.

1180
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 3: He's just such a good player, and yeah, he deserves

1181
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 3: all the recognition. It's it's too bad, man, Like if

1182
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 3: he was a few years younger, Like he's someone that

1183
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 3: could potentially have like a Hall of Fame case, but

1184
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 3: he just got off to such a slow start with

1185
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 3: the Jets, and it took him a little while to

1186
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 3: kind of like he's talked a lot about like like

1187
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 3: how how he had to learn out of the study

1188
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 3: and all this stuff, and like once he finally figured

1189
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 3: it all out, like he became like a truly truly

1190
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 3: incredible player, one of the best linebackers in the league,

1191
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 3: no doubt.

1192
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: So it's funny.

1193
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: I actually wanted to ask you about another linebacker. Pete

1194
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: Warner was a guy me and Evan both really liked

1195
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: coming out of the draft a couple of years ago.

1196
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: And it seems like he's kind of started to hit

1197
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: his stride this year. What have you seen from him?

1198
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, another one. Really good, really good, Like his range

1199
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 3: is awesome. Me, he's really good in coverage. He kind

1200
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 3: of makes every single tackle. He's just he's all over

1201
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 3: the place. Not not like a flashy player, but just

1202
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 3: kind of, you know, very like you know, you'll look

1203
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 3: up and all of a sudden he has, you know,

1204
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 3: twelve tackles in the game. It's like, damn, Like he's

1205
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 3: just he's just really really good, really sounds, you know,

1206
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 3: And yeah, I think he keeps getting better. And he's

1207
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 3: someone too that that's starting to be us a little

1208
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 3: bit more. As a blitzer. They'd like to use their

1209
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 3: linebackers like in these blitz packages a lot. Like on

1210
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 3: third downs, they played three down defensive lineman and they

1211
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 3: go to their dime package and they send the fourth

1212
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 3: Usually it's usually a linebacker you don't know where it's

1213
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 3: coming from. Though, Kayden ellis they got it that went

1214
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 3: to Atlanta last offseason, was kind of the primary blitzer

1215
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 3: last year, so like Werner and Davis has been sparingly

1216
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 3: using it a little bit this year. But that that's

1217
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 3: something that I expect to see ramp up a little

1218
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 3: bit and Werner's Werner's been getting a little bit more

1219
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 3: action in those types of looks too.

1220
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: All right, one moreph you, nick I got I gotta

1221
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: get a special teams question in here. Rashid shi Heat's

1222
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: been you mentioned him on, but he's been one of

1223
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: the best returners in football already, has to punt this year.

1224
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: We've seen the Patriots special team struggle at times this year,

1225
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: like where's the threat with him? And is he a

1226
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 1: guy that they could make an impact in that area

1227
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: this week?

1228
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, every time he gets the ball. I mean,

1229
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 3: he's definitely a threat. I mean he's just great vision,

1230
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 3: just just sees the field really well and incredibly explosive

1231
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 3: gets down the field. I'm surprised to hear that's Patriots

1232
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 3: special teams are struggling because that's usually like the calling

1233
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 3: card for them. But yeah, she is, she has been.

1234
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 3: He's a great returner, definitely a threat every single time.

1235
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 3: I try to keep the ball away from him if

1236
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 3: I could. You know, it's funny because like the Saints

1237
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 3: are one of those teams too, like Patriots that put

1238
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 3: a lot in special teams. They got J. C. Gray

1239
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 3: the gunner. He's kind of Verry Slater ish, like a

1240
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 3: difference maker the Patriot or the Saints. Hunter has been

1241
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 3: pretty bad. There's not a lot of consistency there, so

1242
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 3: that that's something that if the Patriots need to get right,

1243
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 3: they might have an opportunity there at some point. But yeah,

1244
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:57,720
Speaker 3: he's definitely something that can break.

1245
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 2: The game open, all right, Nick, So last one, I

1246
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 2: promise that just what is your pick in this game?

1247
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 2: And like, if you're the Patriots, I would say, is

1248
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 2: a better question to phrase this? How would you attack

1249
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 2: this this Saints defense in particular, I think the offense

1250
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 2: against the Patriots defense doesn't worries fans as much up

1251
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 2: here as going against that Saints defense. How would you

1252
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 2: attack the Saints defense if you were the Patriots.

1253
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 3: So, I mean, my pick, my only pick that I

1254
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 3: feel good about is the under forty points. I mean,

1255
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,439
Speaker 3: I don't know if these teams are going to score

1256
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 3: twenty points. It might be a race to seventeen. If

1257
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 3: I had to pick one team, I hate to make

1258
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 3: the Homer pick here, but I mean I would probably

1259
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 3: go with the Saints just because I think they have

1260
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 3: a little bit more offensive talent and it's just kind

1261
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 3: of like maybe maybe last week was a wake up call,

1262
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 3: you know, attacking this defense. They're down to safety, you know.

1263
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 3: I would try to get vertical on whatever side of

1264
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 3: the field Jordan Howden's on and just kind of see

1265
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 3: where that's at. I would attack the slot because, like

1266
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 3: I said, I think Alante Taylor is someone that can

1267
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 3: be you know, he he gave up like ten catches

1268
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago, I think against Carolina. So

1269
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 3: that's that's one place i'd try to go with it.

1270
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 3: I'd run double move to the debo and eventually you're

1271
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 3: gonna get a key I down the field and get

1272
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 3: a free play. Like so, there's just a handful of

1273
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 3: things that I think you can do against their secondary

1274
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 3: and just try to try to see where the soft

1275
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 3: spots are. The one thing I definitely wouldn't do is

1276
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 3: throw the ball at a lot of more. It's just tough,

1277
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 3: but look, they're gonna disguise their coverages. So I mean

1278
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 3: Mac needs to be you know, I I've only looked

1279
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 3: a little bit. It seems like he's had some trouble

1280
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 3: with teams that do that well. And that's one of

1281
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 3: the things that that this defense does really really well.

1282
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 3: They'll hold their look until the very last second and

1283
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 3: they'll make you know, they'll give you a quarters look

1284
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 3: and it'll turn into cover three and you know, if

1285
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 3: you aren't reading that like through the snap like you're

1286
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 3: gonna make a mistake. So they just need to be

1287
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 3: very very aware of what their safeties are doing and

1288
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 3: what coverage is there.

1289
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 2: And absolutely awesome and I guess we'll see you on Sunday. Yeah, yes, sir,

1290
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 2: well awesome. Thanks next, safe travels. Thanks for calling in.

1291
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 2: I think you too. So yeah, I think that's a

1292
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: great point about what he brings up. And as we

1293
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 2: kind of segue here a little bit and more more

1294
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 2: of the Saints about Dennis Allen's defense, you know, watching

1295
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 2: them against the Bucks and uh this season so far,

1296
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 2: you got to look at you know, their their stats

1297
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 2: of like coverages that they use and and rushes that

1298
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 2: they they they throw the kitchen sink at a quarterback

1299
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 2: right like there, they spend the dial, they play one

1300
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 2: high two high man zone, they play a lot of

1301
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 2: a lot of man to man coverage, which we know

1302
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 2: the Patriots have had trouble with. And then their third

1303
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 2: down package is very patriot like. Well they'll put you know,

1304
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 2: five six guys up on the line of scrimmage and

1305
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 2: they only send four, but you don't know which four

1306
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 2: are coming, so you have to decipher all of that

1307
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: post snap. That's a great point by by Nick there

1308
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 2: about that's that's some of the stuff that I just

1309
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 2: laid out, you know, the disguising, the pressure man to

1310
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 2: man like that, that's the kryptonite for the Patriots offense

1311
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,959
Speaker 2: so far. So the under as he as he said,

1312
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 2: is is a good pick here. Let's let's clear some

1313
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 2: of these phone calls out and a lot of people

1314
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 2: have been waiting on hold for a long time, and

1315
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 2: we appreciate that, and then we'll we'll get into some

1316
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 2: of the other things we wanted to discuss. But Christian

1317
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 2: is in start with Patty actually has been on hold longer.

1318
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 2: What's up, Patty?

1319
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 5: If you're still there, Hey, you guys will see me

1320
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 5: on Sunday too. I'll be at the stadium like that.

1321
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 5: Oh right, they You know what, though, I don't know

1322
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 5: what to expect.

1323
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:27,479
Speaker 3: I really don't.

1324
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I bet, I bet the delete stadiums are not

1325
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 4: the left. But I've been to fox for us in

1326
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 4: the game seven of these times, guys in my life,

1327
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 4: and the only time they've ever lost was back in

1328
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 4: ninety five when they played the Brontos. And know anything

1329
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 4: about John Elway, he never lost the paper or for

1330
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 4: the Bengals in his career. And you know, part of

1331
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 4: me likes to think that I'd like to keep micro

1332
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 4: Buck Street going, you know, just selfishly and egoistically. But

1333
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 4: part of me thinks that, like, damn, maybe with all this,

1334
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 4: you know, with all of our cornerbacks hurt. I know,

1335
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 4: we just picked up JC, But like all the top

1336
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 4: of the run guys out of this game and all

1337
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 4: the potential firepower that the Saints have, I might, I

1338
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 4: might see another thirty seven to three games. Because that

1339
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 4: was the final score to that Broncos game. I hope

1340
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 4: that I do have a little bit of faith that

1341
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 4: Matt's going to pull his head out of his rear

1342
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 4: end and hopefully play a decent game.

1343
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 3: Hopefully play with instructure.

1344
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 4: But I'll tell you what the defense I'm with the

1345
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 4: lot to dot on with obviously the Dallas and the

1346
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 4: other two Vielins is not being on the field.

1347
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 3: It really worries me.

1348
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,919
Speaker 4: Guys, give me some hope, Alex, give me some hope.

1349
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 2: Baby, Thanks for the call. Patty is always and have

1350
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 2: fun at the game, I hopefully. I don't think the

1351
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 2: Patriots are gonna lose this game and a blowout. But

1352
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 2: I thought what Nick also said about that this Saints offense,

1353
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 2: I think it's different from the Patriots offense, even though

1354
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 2: they're their production is very similar and that being not good.

1355
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 2: I think the difference is is that the Saints have

1356
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 2: some pieces offensively, they just haven't really pointed to all

1357
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 2: the pieces in the right direction. And Derek Carr, I

1358
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 2: think it's Brady made it look so easy that you know,

1359
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 2: some people forget Derek Carr was in Vegas, I guess now,

1360
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 2: but with the Raiders for like a decade and then

1361
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 2: he has to come to a completely new system, a

1362
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 2: completely new area, like move coast to coast and like

1363
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 2: there's a transition period there. But when you look at

1364
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 2: the Saints roster offensively, they have some first round picks

1365
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 2: on their offensive line. They have Chris Olava on the outside,

1366
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 2: who's a great receiver and still is playing well, even

1367
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 2: though the Saints offense as a whole isn't. Alvin Kamara

1368
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 2: is back now after his suspension. There's just there's more

1369
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 2: pieces on that side of the ball. So my fear

1370
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 2: of this game is that is that the Saints are

1371
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 2: going to finally figure it out a little bit offensively

1372
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 2: and they're going to get some things rolling on that

1373
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 2: side of the ball. And I don't think the Patriots,

1374
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 2: even against New Orleans, they don't have the firepower that

1375
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 2: New Orleans has. If this ends up being a game

1376
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 2: that does get into let's say the twenties versus a

1377
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 2: game that we're all picking, which would be like a

1378
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 2: rock fight in the teams, right. I think with car too,

1379
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 2: there's the thing about his shoulder, Like you mentioned that

1380
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 2: he's got to come in, he's got to learn new offense,

1381
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 2: and now he's struggling to throw the ball. He can't

1382
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 2: throw the ball deep, which is something they probably wanted

1383
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 2: to do. Yeah, So yeah, he actually is a most

1384
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 2: of his career, he's been a pretty good deep ball thrower. Yeah,

1385
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 2: like that's not you know, he doesn't have this big

1386
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 2: cannon in terms of like driving the ball into tight windows.

1387
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 2: At the intermediate level, I've never really thought of him

1388
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 2: as like a great anticipatory passer over the middle of

1389
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 2: the field. But deep balls, he's usually been pretty good

1390
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 2: at that. And h and yeah, I guess at that shoulder.

1391
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 2: He's zero for five on deep passes last last week.

1392
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: So that that's what I'm interested in with this game,

1393
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: is just that. Because Bill even said earlier this week, like, yeah,

1394
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, good deep ball team, you got to be

1395
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: ready for it. Yeah, is that something they can do?

1396
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: I I would you have a quarterback with a with

1397
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: a bad shoulder injury. Most guys don't play through. I

1398
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: would make him put as much as he can on

1399
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: every pass. And like like Nick said, he's trying to

1400
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: throw the ball deep to chrys Olave last week, he

1401
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:07,919
Speaker 1: goes fifty yards but it comes up short.

1402
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 2: That's that J C.

1403
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: Jackson's you know here in Bells, when he hears that,

1404
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: that's his play.

1405
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 2: So the underthrown deep ball interception, right, let's.

1406
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: Well, because he's good at as he can recognize. For

1407
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: let's get the guy with the bad throwing shoulder to

1408
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: throw the ball deep.

1409
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that that's definitely what the Bucks tried

1410
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 2: to do. The Bucks played a lot. They played eighty

1411
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 2: four percent of their downs in zone coverage, and like

1412
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 2: sixty percent of it was split safety zone. So they

1413
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 2: just absolutely begged Derek Carr to throw it deep into

1414
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 2: their two deep zones. And he tried a couple of

1415
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 2: times and failed, and the rest of the game was

1416
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 2: all checkdowns. Right, he threw like a I think it

1417
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: was a record like fourteen passes behind the line of

1418
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 2: scrimmage or something like that.

1419
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: It's a wit Nick was saying, it's a weird game

1420
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: if you look at the breakdown of But I also.

1421
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 2: Don't think that that was necessarily because the Raiders were

1422
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 2: calling a bunch of screens because Derek Carr couldn't throw

1423
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 2: the ball because of his shoulder. I think that that's

1424
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 2: just what was open from the Bucks perspective, and the

1425
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,919
Speaker 2: Bucks were just trying to get him to check it down,

1426
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 2: and he was taking the check downs and taking the

1427
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 2: check downs, and the Bucks did a good job of

1428
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 2: rallying to the football. This is a you know, you

1429
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 2: mentioned Shaheed Chris Olave, like, those guys can get up

1430
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 2: the field. They can get up the field and create

1431
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 2: on vertical routes and create opportunities to throw the ball deep.

1432
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,479
Speaker 2: And the Bucks just they played soft zone, they played

1433
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 2: off coverage, they played two deep shells, and they just

1434
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 2: said the only way that you're beating us is if

1435
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 2: you matriculate down the field. And that's I mean, that's

1436
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 2: football nowadays in general, like that's how everybody's playing it.

1437
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 2: But I thought that was very telling from Tampa Bay.

1438
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 2: All right, Christian is in La. What's up? Christian?

1439
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 3: Hey, you guys.

1440
01:05:54,480 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 6: You two things And I kind of part the little

1441
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 6: bit on the LST Show, but I know you guys

1442
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,439
Speaker 6: have to really go quickly on the of the shows

1443
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 6: that you can't really.

1444
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 3: Take it too. But I just wanted to touch on

1445
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 3: it again. And did I have a Mac Jones something

1446
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 3: that I saw in Mac.

1447
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 6: Jones that I would like to point out to see

1448
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 6: if you guys see it too or don't see it.

1449
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 6: First things first, and thanks for taking my call, guys.

1450
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 6: I appreciate the show and love love talking to you guys.

1451
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1452
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, right on, So first things first, I say this

1453
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 6: as being sort of a five win team, and that's

1454
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 6: sort of to me the high market if we don't

1455
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 6: have our defense anymore and just the offense just really

1456
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 6: is trying to figure yourself out in this league, trying

1457
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 6: to figure yourself out means you're not gonna win very

1458
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,439
Speaker 6: many games. You may get it together for a couple

1459
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 6: of games and see some bright spots and what could

1460
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 6: be coming up, but you're not gonna win very many games.

1461
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 6: So for me, we're going into the next into this

1462
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 6: draft like top seven, right, top ten pick, we already

1463
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 6: have that that that why can't we and mostly you

1464
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 6: get a second round pick at some point in second round,

1465
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 6: why couldn't we take our third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and

1466
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 6: seventh round pick and package them to like a team

1467
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 6: like San Francisco that's not going to be trying to

1468
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 6: really build an impact player next draft. They're looking for

1469
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 6: more depth and stuff like that, and wind up with

1470
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 6: a great first rounder, someone maybe in the bottom of

1471
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 6: the first round that we'd get from five picks from

1472
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 6: something else, and a good second round of three impact

1473
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 6: players to change the culture, change the team really quickly.

1474
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 6: Could you kind of dig into this philosophy of that,

1475
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 6: But then the thing about mac Jones is and I

1476
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 6: know it's not fair to compare anything to Tom Brady

1477
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 6: at all, so I'm not really doing that, but it

1478
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 6: seemed like Brady had this sort of succession of football

1479
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 6: intelligence where the first quarter he would throw some things

1480
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 6: out there and sort of try something. The second quarter

1481
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 6: he would see how those things are really affecting and

1482
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 6: working the defense. The third quarter he would know what

1483
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 6: the defense is going to do, and then the first

1484
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 6: quarter he would light you up. It doesn't seem like

1485
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 6: mac Jones has that level of football intelligence to make

1486
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 6: that progression has the game unfold.

1487
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 3: Thank you, guys, pick up the air. I appreciate you

1488
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 3: guys so much.

1489
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 2: No problem, Thanks for the call, Christian, We appreciate it.

1490
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 2: So the draft thing, uh, definitely more of like an

1491
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 2: offseason deep dive. I was trying to keep that. So

1492
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 2: basically what he's saying is, why don't you just take

1493
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 2: your your ten draft picks that you have, Yeah, and

1494
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 2: consolidated to three, but you're getting three top fifty picks out,

1495
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

1496
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 3: Like that?

1497
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 2: That's I think basically the argument.

1498
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: Because one one is I think a lot of teams

1499
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 1: don't just want a bunch of late draft picks because

1500
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: you've got to roster all those guys. And the flip

1501
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: side of it is, to a certain extent, you need

1502
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: a certain number of guys on your roster that are

1503
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 1: on rookie contracts because if you have to fill too

1504
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 1: many spots with free agents, it's it's going to kill

1505
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 1: your cap.

1506
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's it's not the NBA. You can't do that.

1507
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 1: The NFL draft is much more nuanced. Yeah, look the NBA.

1508
01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he called in with Pu to PU and we

1509
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 2: we did have to kind of quickly talk about it

1510
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 2: because we had to get the picks. We had to hurry, right,

1511
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 2: But the biggest thing was is you know, yeah, like

1512
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 2: I love the idea. If the Patriots are picking you know,

1513
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 2: like to use his example, they're picking seventh, which means

1514
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 2: they're picking what thirty eight or thirty nine in the

1515
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 2: second round. If they want to jump back into the

1516
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 2: first round at the end of the first round instead

1517
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 2: of picking at the beginning of the second round because

1518
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 2: they really like a guy on Night one, then I'm

1519
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 2: all for that. But they're gonna have to trade from

1520
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 2: future drafts to make right.

1521
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 1: You can't nobody's so he basically wants to trade what three, four, five, six,

1522
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: and seven for a low one.

1523
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, nobody's gonna do that. That's just Yeah.

1524
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 1: If you could do that, every team would do it.

1525
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: That's pretty much why. The second point, the reason Tom

1526
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 1: Brady was able to do that is because he had

1527
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: the margin Freerr, because he knew if he got down

1528
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: ten fourteen points early on, yeah, he was good enough

1529
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: to quickly score and he could fall back on what

1530
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 1: he does best, MACS. Most quarterbacks don't operate within that

1531
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: margin Forrer. Yeah, so that was a uniquely Brady thing.

1532
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: Like Mahomes can do it, Rogers did that a little bit,

1533
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 1: Peyton did it. That's an elite, elite, elite quarterback kind

1534
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: of thing to I would also sort of just use

1535
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 1: the first half of the game like a preseason.

1536
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, totally. And I would also just say that

1537
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 2: like with Brady Brady, it wasn't the cut corners, but

1538
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 2: like Brady didn't have to worry about every little thing, right,

1539
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 2: you know, Like Brady didn't have to worry about, Okay,

1540
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 2: where are my eyes on this play? Where are my

1541
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 2: footwork on this play? Because all that type of stuff

1542
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 2: was just innate to him. Like he just it just

1543
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 2: came to He had done it so many times and

1544
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 2: he did it at such a high level that it

1545
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:33,480
Speaker 2: just kind of came to him naturally. Of my footwork,

1546
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 2: my cadence, my eye, my eyes, where are they where

1547
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 2: it's my read? Was the intent of this play? Like

1548
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 2: all the things that Mack was talking about yesterday, right,

1549
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 2: All that type of stuff was natural to Tom Brady,

1550
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 2: so he could go to that next level of deciphering

1551
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 2: defense and deciphering how the game is declaring and how

1552
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 2: they are they defending us? And how are they defending

1553
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 2: me and all these type like Dad type of nuance

1554
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 2: of the game. I don't know if mac has Is

1555
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 2: necessarily has the k ability to graduate to that, because

1556
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 2: he's still worried about wearing my feet and wearing my

1557
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 2: eyes on this play right right, and what are we

1558
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 2: doing before we even get to the defense. It's like

1559
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 2: what are we doing first? And then we get to that.

1560
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 2: Brady knew what we were doing all the time, right,

1561
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 2: like he had already mastered that piece of the equation.

1562
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 2: So it's tough. It's tough to then, you know, play

1563
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 2: the chess match and do all that stuff when you're

1564
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 2: still not confident in yourself in what you're trying to do.

1565
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 2: Before we get to the rest of the phone calls,

1566
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 2: I do want to talk about J C. Jackson before

1567
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 2: we start to lose people here in the second hour.

1568
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:35,679
Speaker 2: The Patriots made a trade yesterday, obviously for J C. Jackson,

1569
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 2: and I also subscribe to a lot of the positivity

1570
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 2: that's come out about this trade on a money side

1571
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 2: of things, in a trade, you know, capital side of things,

1572
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 2: they basically gave up nothing to get him. He was

1573
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,640
Speaker 2: gonna get cut by the Chargers. They basically gave up

1574
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 2: nothing to get him. And I think watching his film

1575
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:58,719
Speaker 2: yesterday and as we're you know, when the trade officially

1576
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 2: gets announced, he was out at practice. I think it

1577
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 2: actually literally just got announced as I just did it. Yes,

1578
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:07,759
Speaker 2: so the trade is official now for J C. Jackson.

1579
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 2: But I think the biggest thing is is when I

1580
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 2: watched his film against the Chargers, I thought the Chargers

1581
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 2: fundamentally misunderstood the player and a player that they were getting.

1582
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 2: And I know you'll you'll jump right on this, Alex,

1583
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 2: because you hate Brandon Stance. He's a bad coach, so

1584
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 2: this is right up your alley. I felt like the

1585
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 2: Chargers thought that they were getting this revous Gilmore lockdown

1586
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 2: corner right that when they played Miami in Week one,

1587
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 2: they could just line him up across from Tyree Killer

1588
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 2: Jalen Waddle and be like, Jac's got got number ten.

1589
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 2: You know, we're all set there. And that's never been

1590
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 2: the type of player that j C. Jackson is.

1591
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:47,600
Speaker 3: J C.

1592
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 2: Jackson's a boomer bust corner. He's a ballhawk, He's you know,

1593
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 2: he's a lot you know for people that I don't

1594
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 2: know why you wouldn't have watched Jacy Jackson, but you know,

1595
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 2: it's a lot like in the conversation that we have

1596
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 2: talked about with Jack Jones, right like, that's the type

1597
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 2: of corner that he is. He's a boomer bust guy.

1598
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 2: He's a ballhawk, whatever you want to call it. And

1599
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 2: when you start to look at the film, I thought

1600
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,560
Speaker 2: that he looks like JC and you look at the

1601
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 2: coverage stats and last year was a disaster for him.

1602
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,599
Speaker 2: For the five games he played before the knee injury

1603
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 2: was a disaster. But he was, you know, transitioning to

1604
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 2: a new scheme, a new coast, all that kind of

1605
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 2: stuff that I was talking about with Derek Carr. I

1606
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 2: think applies here this year when you start to look

1607
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 2: at some of the coverage metrics, his metrics were starting

1608
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 2: to level back off to what he was closer to

1609
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:37,839
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. You know, similar completion rate into his coverage,

1610
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 2: similar success rate. Had an interception in Miami and then

1611
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 2: also gave up ninety nine yards, right, like, that's that's

1612
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,679
Speaker 2: j C. Jackson, And I think the doll the Chargers,

1613
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 2: excuse me, just had this this this belief that they

1614
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 2: were getting this lockdown number one corner and in reality,

1615
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 2: the player that he was against Miami ninety nine yards,

1616
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 2: but an interception, that's all. That's who he's been. When

1617
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 2: he's elevated to that number one spot, when he was

1618
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,719
Speaker 2: playing behind Stefan Gilmour and and you know those guys,

1619
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 2: that's a little bit different. But when he was the

1620
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 2: Patriots pseudo number one corner and what was at twenty

1621
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:17,560
Speaker 2: one or twenty or twenty one, yeah, twenty one, that

1622
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 2: that was who he was. And so I think in

1623
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 2: some ways there there's Dad and you know there's a

1624
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 2: couple of the plays he gave up against Miami. Gives

1625
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 2: up a big explosive to Jalen Wattle trying to play

1626
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 2: him out of the slot, like not his game, right,

1627
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 2: Like Jan Waller runs a little quick slant on him

1628
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 2: and gets open and gains like thirty five yards. He

1629
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 2: gave up an explosive on Ti to Tyreek Hill on

1630
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 2: one of those motion routes. Everybody gives up explosives to

1631
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 2: Tyreek Kill on the motion routes. That's why they run

1632
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 2: the motion routes is because they're impossible to cover. And

1633
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:50,560
Speaker 2: then he gave up the touchdown over the top to

1634
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill where he didn't have safety help, right, Like,

1635
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 2: how you're not putting State, You're putting him in press

1636
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 2: man with inside leverage against Tyreek Hill and he doesn't

1637
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,719
Speaker 2: have safety help over the top, what do you expect

1638
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 2: to happen? He got burned, Like that's exactly what was

1639
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 2: going to happen. So in a lot of ways, I'm

1640
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 2: optimistic about this trade helping the Patriots because one, they

1641
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 2: just needed corners, like they just needed playable corners and

1642
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 2: running a mere speed and Sean Wade and Miles Brian

1643
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 2: out there the rest of the season was not an

1644
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 2: option and they needed to be better than that. So

1645
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 2: they get a guy that can keep them competitive on defense.

1646
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 2: They get a guy that they can turn the ball

1647
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 2: over some on defense. I had two takeaways in the

1648
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 2: first four games of the year, so maybe he gets

1649
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 2: some of those. Mister iron, T's right, and I like

1650
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 2: the player, and you know who he is. You know

1651
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 2: he's not anything special.

1652
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1653
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 1: I wonder where he's at physically coming off that knee injury. Yeah,

1654
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 1: And I think he had even said that he wasn't

1655
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 1: completely healthy.

1656
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 2: Look, they need a corner. They didn't give up much.

1657
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,480
Speaker 1: If they want to keep him, they can just restructure

1658
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 1: his contract and keep him down the road. So if

1659
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: that all makes sense, it's not a negative move. I

1660
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: don't know that he saves everything.

1661
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 2: I don't think that. You know, he's a one for one,

1662
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:00,120
Speaker 2: So I is he gonna play as well as Hi

1663
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 2: Gonzalez was playing. I don't know. I don't know.

1664
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 1: Christian Zola was playing an incredibly high level, and when

1665
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:08,600
Speaker 1: you also lose Matthew Judahan, it's a big ask for

1666
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 1: him to come in and basically have the defense pick

1667
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 1: up where they left off.

1668
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 2: So we'll see.

1669
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: We'll see where he's at physically. I have nothing against

1670
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: the move, but I don't know that it's this over

1671
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: the top automatic success that some people are making it

1672
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 1: out to be. It they were desperate for a corner,

1673
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 1: and they went out and got one, and it made

1674
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: it easier to facilitate that they knew the guy. I wonder,

1675
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 1: and there's been some reporting to kind of suggest this

1676
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: if he was gonna end up here one way or

1677
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 1: the other once he got cut and the injuries just

1678
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 1: kind of created a situation where they couldn't wait for

1679
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: him to get cut. And I said that, and people

1680
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 1: pushed back on me, like, oh, no, it's a smart

1681
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:44,600
Speaker 1: move because if you got cut, he might not have

1682
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 1: come back here. I don't know how big the market

1683
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 1: was going to be for him. I also, for a

1684
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 1: number of reasons, I think he has to look at

1685
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: it and be like, this is the place I belong in. Oh,

1686
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:54,640
Speaker 1: this is a huge win for him. Yeah you can

1687
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 1: get where I was massive win for him. Yeah, if

1688
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm him, I'm a static, But you know what, we'll see.

1689
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 2: We'll see.

1690
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm optimistic, but I'm caustiously optimistic. I don't know that

1691
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 1: it's I still have my serious concerns about this defense.

1692
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:11,679
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm not sitting here saying either that, like season

1693
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 2: back on because they love j C. Jackson. But I

1694
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 2: do think that their defense is now going to remain competitive,

1695
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 2: Like is it gonna be as good as it was

1696
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 2: going to be? Obviously not, but I think they'll still

1697
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 2: be competitive.

1698
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 1: On Well, this is where I'm like, because he has

1699
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: a bad knee, Like is he healthy? How much can

1700
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 1: you count on him to just go out there? And

1701
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: I wonder about that?

1702
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

1703
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: I Also there's this I'm not saying this is a concern.

1704
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,599
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it. You can take it as a positive,

1705
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: you can take it as a negative. This is just

1706
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: an observation I have. Trey Flowers looks like he's gonna

1707
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 1: be one of the guys that gets activated j C.

1708
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 1: Jackson's back. Is there a level of them, you know, Bill,

1709
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: where things aren't going well? Just trying to lean on familiarity.

1710
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 2: Above all else. Yeah, I think that that's definitely fair.

1711
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 2: But I don't critique him for the familiarity in season, okay,

1712
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 2: because it's really hard to get out. I don't say

1713
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:05,839
Speaker 2: it's a critique.

1714
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:07,679
Speaker 1: I posed a question like I was talking to somebody

1715
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 1: earlier today, right like Kyle van Noy signed with the

1716
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 1: Ravens two weeks ago because they had some injuries. Let's

1717
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 1: say that doesn't happen. Are we talking about Kyle van

1718
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 1: Noy here right now? With Matthew Judon going out?

1719
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 2: Like, I just think it's different when you talk about

1720
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 2: in season because it's so hard to get a guy

1721
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 2: up and running again.

1722
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it is a critique. I'm just saying

1723
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:24,719
Speaker 1: it is an observation.

1724
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think that this comes out a lot

1725
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 2: about Bill in the retreads, but it sometimes bothers me

1726
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 2: with the retreads when they do it in the off season,

1727
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 2: Like it's like, do you really need to bring back

1728
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 2: this guy in the off season when there's other guys

1729
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 2: available that might be better. But in season you're in

1730
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 2: a situation where you just need to get guys that

1731
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 2: can play for you on Sunday. And since JC Jackson

1732
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 2: knows the system and he knows the defense, if he's healthy,

1733
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 2: he's going to be active on So it's more for

1734
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:54,560
Speaker 2: me with that.

1735
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: The concern here is you talk about how he plays.

1736
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 2: He has to be explosive.

1737
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:02,759
Speaker 1: He has to be able to, you know, t step

1738
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 1: plan his foot in the ground, make cuts, make up

1739
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 1: for lost ground. Yeah, does he have that kind of

1740
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 1: pop in his lower body coming off that knee injury.

1741
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 2: It's a fair it's a fair wonder, it's a fair ass. Uh,

1742
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 2: last thing on on JC, and then we'll we'll move

1743
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 2: on j C. Jonathan Jones, and let's say Miles Brian

1744
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 2: probably in the slot you could do worse.

1745
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: Wasn't that the secondary and twenty twenty one basically it

1746
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 1: was right because they didn't have Steph that year they

1747
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 1: traded him.

1748
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:31,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's basically I think in terms of talent level,

1749
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 2: you're basically in the same spot that you were in

1750
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 2: twenty one and twenty five.

1751
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 1: So Jeff, how this I think this happened while we

1752
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 1: were on here, reported that Jack Jones is probably another,

1753
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 1: you know, two weeks away. I think if you can

1754
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 1: get about two weeks, I don't want to say that

1755
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 1: like put words in Jeff's mouth that it's definitive. But

1756
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 1: let's say, let's see, let's just say Halloween as and

1757
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 1: I think that was the number the date given when

1758
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 1: he first went on IR. Mike Reese has reported something

1759
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 1: along those lines as well. Let's say it's Halloween. If

1760
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: you can get to a point where your corn are

1761
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 1: Jack Jones and j C. Jackson on the boundary and

1762
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 1: you move John Jones back into the slot. And I

1763
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 1: don't know if they will or not, but like, if

1764
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 1: your top three corners are Jack Jones, John Jones and

1765
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 1: j C. Jackson, who's going in? Like are they gonna

1766
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 1: bench one of those three guys from Ales Bryant? Maybe

1767
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,560
Speaker 1: they might bench Jack Jones from Miles Brant. But the

1768
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 1: point being, like jac Jackson, Jack Jones on the boundary,

1769
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 1: John Jones on.

1770
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 2: The slot, that's legit. It's not a legit secondary.

1771
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 1: You could do a lot worse and with and like

1772
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 1: we can get ahead because I see people in the

1773
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 1: in the chat talking about this, and I've gotten questions

1774
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:37,799
Speaker 1: about this. You know, next year is it Christian Gonzalez

1775
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 1: and j C? Is the outside corners?

1776
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 2: Like that? Yeah, that could be really fun. Let's see what.

1777
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 1: Jaz Jackson looks like before we start doing that.

1778
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:46,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, it could be a lot worse. And

1779
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 2: I think, especially with a coach like Belichick, Like I

1780
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 2: still give Bill the maximizing the talent on the defensive

1781
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 2: side of the ball. I still think he does that

1782
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 2: at a high level. And so I think if you

1783
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 2: look at how they'll you JC, how they'll use John Jones,

1784
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 2: Like those guys will be playing to their strengths and

1785
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 2: playing in roles that they belong in and things like that.

1786
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 2: And it's basically the secondary talent wise that they had

1787
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 2: the last two years. Like obviously we were all hoping

1788
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 2: they were gonna take that next step with Christian Gonzales

1789
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 2: being that true number one Gilmour type corner. Unfortunately gets hurt.

1790
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 2: It's a bummer, but I think you at least you know,

1791
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 2: last year they were still a pretty good defense. Like

1792
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 2: they weren't a great defense, but they were a good defense,

1793
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 2: and I think they'll be a good defense still. If

1794
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:32,560
Speaker 2: JC is ready to go, all right, let's do a

1795
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 2: three up, three down real quick, and uh, we'll get

1796
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 2: into this and then we'll take some of these calls

1797
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:42,640
Speaker 2: and we'll rap with some more on the Saints. So

1798
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 2: I did a little differently this week because of obvious

1799
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 2: reasons the result of the game. Yeah, and I have

1800
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 2: two up in three and four down, so I took

1801
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 2: I only did two. Let's start with the positives though. Okay, Uh,

1802
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 2: best player in the game for the Patriots I thought

1803
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 2: was Detrick Wise. Okay, Dietrich Wise really good this game.

1804
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 2: Five pressure sack, another TfL on the run game. I

1805
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 2: thought he was disruptive. I thought he read blocks extremely well.

1806
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 2: I thought he worked well on the on the games

1807
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 2: or the stunts up front. I think Dietrich Wise, you know,

1808
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 2: he's not Matthew Junoni. He's not a game wrecker. He's

1809
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 2: not a Tuesday player, as we like to call him.

1810
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 2: But he's a guy that I think teams know of

1811
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 2: and is starting to get a little bit of a

1812
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 2: positive reputation around the league in terms of being someone

1813
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 2: you gotta worry about. He's a really well rounded player

1814
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you know, I think he's one

1815
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 2: of those rare guys that comes in and in like

1816
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 2: year six or year seven of his NFL career kind

1817
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 2: of takes that next step to being extremely well rounded.

1818
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 2: And he's much more violent with his hands in the

1819
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 2: run game and getting off blocks, and his block anticipation

1820
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 2: has really improved, and his leveraging has really improved. I've

1821
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 2: been impressed with him all year, but I thought this

1822
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 2: game he was particularly really well, really good. Excuse me, yeah,

1823
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 2: I'll go.

1824
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 1: I'll go with Hunter Henry. I know he didn't love

1825
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 1: his game, his blocking, but he keeps making catches.

1826
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 2: And he's the only guy that makes good like one

1827
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 2: handed little bit like I'll say that catches, I guess

1828
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 2: is the way to say.

1829
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 1: We kind of talked about the compete level in that game, right,

1830
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,560
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry showed up and in a game like that,

1831
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 1: guy showing up to me gets him on the uplist.

1832
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 1: You're entering this really interesting spot with Hunter Henry because

1833
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: if they again I said the thing before, I don't

1834
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 1: believe they're gonna fall on tank, but if they end

1835
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 1: up on a spot where they're sellers at the deadline,

1836
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 1: which I don't think they will be, but let's say

1837
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 1: they get there, Yeah, you're gonna be able to get

1838
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 1: something for Hunter Henry. Yeah, because he keeps making plays.

1839
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: And honestly, the Cowboys are a team I look at

1840
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 1: they're like, can you get a third round pick, maybe

1841
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 1: second round pick with a pick slot for Hunter Henry?

1842
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? And and I know you hate to hear this

1843
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 2: because you know he's one of one of your guys. Yeah,

1844
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 2: Kendrick Porn, Kendrick Porn, Yeah, Kendrick Poorn too, But I

1845
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:50,560
Speaker 2: Kendrick Porne to me is gonna be the guy that

1846
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 2: if they're truly out of it at the deadline, you know, yeah,

1847
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 2: three and eight or something, whatever the deadline is in

1848
01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 2: terms of records.

1849
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 1: Well, look, his one, his contracts up at the end

1850
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 1: of the year. He's not coming back. I would love

1851
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 1: to see him go somewhere and win. You know how

1852
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 1: I feel about Kendrick Bourne if gets it. You know,

1853
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 1: I've come to terms with the fact that he won't

1854
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 1: be a Patriot next year when we're the other right,

1855
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 1: But Hunter Henry and Cowboys need a tight end. And

1856
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 1: again I think you get something for him. You want

1857
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:18,640
Speaker 1: me to give my second up, yep. Miles Bryant, all right,

1858
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna a lot of people are gonna roll their

1859
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 1: eyes on this. And by the way, I see people

1860
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 1: saying in the chat getting annoyed at me for saying

1861
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,600
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick might bench Jack Jones from Miles Bryant. He

1862
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:31,439
Speaker 1: did that last year. So there's history of that. That

1863
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 1: that the CD Lamb touchdown. That's just such a bad Again,

1864
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 1: it's not like there's a ton of ops to choose

1865
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 1: from in this game, right Evan, And it's a bad

1866
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 1: spot for him. It's just a bad He shouldn't be

1867
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:47,679
Speaker 1: out there. This goes to my whole point about Miles Bryant.

1868
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 1: Miles Bryant's a solid rotational football player if you use

1869
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 1: him correctly, having him one on one, ceedee Lamb on

1870
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 1: the outside.

1871
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 2: Right.

1872
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 1: I look at the two fumblesy forced, and he made

1873
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 1: some competitive tackles stepping up the line of screwmage.

1874
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 2: She continues to do.

1875
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 1: There's sort of slim pickings. You only picked two ups.

1876
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get on you. I'm not yelling at so.

1877
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:11,759
Speaker 2: He yelled at me a little bit for it yesterday.

1878
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 1: But it's slim pickings. There were some isolated players, and

1879
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:16,599
Speaker 1: I was like, all right again, it's that thing.

1880
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 2: He showed up.

1881
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 1: I thought, at the very least, Miles Bryant showed up

1882
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 1: in a game like that. There aren't that many guys

1883
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 1: you can say that about.

1884
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 2: All Right, my second up, and then we're gonna go.

1885
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 2: Do you have three? I I do have three. Okay,

1886
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:29,640
Speaker 2: you're you're nicer than me. Okay, well one of them

1887
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 2: is it's literally just one place. Second was good in

1888
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 2: this game. Uh made four stops against the run, three

1889
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 2: pressures and on the quarterback. I I understand that there's

1890
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 2: like a bigger philosophical problem with Jelani Tevai in terms

1891
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 2: of like Bill likes that type of guy because he

1892
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 2: just does his job. It's like it's the usage thing. Yeah,

1893
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 2: I get that, But I actually think that Jelanie Deviz

1894
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 2: turned into a pretty solid player for them, and I

1895
01:25:57,560 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 2: think that he's gonna play a lot now that Judon's

1896
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:02,679
Speaker 2: not here. So just just prepare yourself for the fact

1897
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 2: that forty eight is going to be out there a

1898
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 2: ton on this defense. I'm not saying that he should

1899
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 2: be over Keon White, don't get on me, but I'm

1900
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 2: just telling you that in this game, this was probably

1901
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 2: one of the better games I saw Jelye Tevi play.

1902
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 2: He was really he was disruptive in this game, beat

1903
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:21,759
Speaker 2: a couple really really well done in terms of shedding

1904
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 2: blocks in the run game. In this game, deflected a

1905
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:26,679
Speaker 2: pass that he almost picked off at the line of scrimmage,

1906
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:29,599
Speaker 2: got the sack on the goal line where he was unblocked,

1907
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 2: but he made the play. So I was impressed by

1908
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 2: Tavai in this game, and he was already playing a

1909
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 2: lot before Judon got hurt. He had a sixty six

1910
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 2: percent snap usage. I think in the first four games

1911
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 2: of the season, so he has his own role. Like

1912
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,600
Speaker 2: this isn't like Julyn Devia is replacing Matthew Judon and

1913
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:50,679
Speaker 2: he wasn't playing before. This just means that Julya DEVIAI

1914
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 2: is going to play a little bit more on the edge.

1915
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 2: I would say the defense versus off the ball. But

1916
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 2: I thought he was really good in this game. So

1917
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 2: that those are my two. I gave him both on

1918
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 2: the defense because the offense is deserved anything. I don't

1919
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 2: know why, Jeannie to Van Dietrich quiet, I don't know.

1920
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 2: I didn't pick any any defensive ones because it's just.

1921
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 1: The whole recap of the game. I'm just focused on

1922
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 1: the offense and what happened. My third one was to

1923
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,759
Speaker 1: Mario Douglas. I, yeah, he wasn't good on the punt returns,

1924
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:17,600
Speaker 1: but that that move was awesome up the sideline, that

1925
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 1: kind of cut and spin.

1926
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 2: Two dynamic for the Patriots. Yeah, for that move, he's

1927
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 2: on the lip he does.

1928
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:24,679
Speaker 1: I think you were actually the one who tweeted about

1929
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 1: him on the punt returns, and he needs to do

1930
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 1: a better job getting up field. So credit to you

1931
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 1: for talking about special teams.

1932
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 2: You're welcome.

1933
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:33,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you were spot on. Can't be moving laterally,

1934
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:34,799
Speaker 1: you gotta just start getting.

1935
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 2: Up the field. But it's something that Troy Brown has

1936
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 2: always said to us when we talked to him, is

1937
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 2: like the key of being a good punt returner is

1938
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 2: getting vertical on. You gotta be aggressive. You got to

1939
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 2: take it to him. Yeah. I would just say with Douglas,

1940
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 2: we mentioned head on the Saints a couple of times.

1941
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 2: He's he's a little bit bigger than Douglas is. He's

1942
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 2: like six feet onet eighty. Obviously Douglas is not that tall,

1943
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 2: but there that's the type of player if she has

1944
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 2: a big game on Sunday for New Orleans, Like, that's

1945
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 2: what you, as a Patriots fan hope that Pop Douglas

1946
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 2: is going to become like he's one of those just jitterbug,

1947
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 2: game breaking, bursty guys. All right, let's get let's get

1948
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 2: to the DUTs. Yeah, this is uh, this is gonna

1949
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 2: be fun. All right, So we have four duds for me. Okay, four,

1950
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess we have a lot of overlap. Number

1951
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 2: one is Mac Jones. I mean Mac Jones gotta be

1952
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 2: number one. I mentioned a lot about it already, So

1953
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna like continue to beat the dead horse

1954
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 2: about the footwork and the decision making. All of it

1955
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 2: was bad. Second quarter, all of it was bad. I

1956
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 2: think the biggest thing with Mac in terms of getting

1957
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 2: him back on track, Uh, they need to get him

1958
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 2: back to obviously playing within himself and playing within the

1959
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 2: system and then and then taking some of the layups.

1960
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 2: Like so the things that irked me the most about

1961
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 2: this game from Mac was like some of the crossers

1962
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:52,680
Speaker 2: to Devonte Parker that he missed, Like just these shallows, right,

1963
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 2: these shallow crossers over the middle of the field, and

1964
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 2: it's like throw it, throw it, throw it, throw it,

1965
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 2: throw it, sack or throw it, throw it, throw it,

1966
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 2: throw it late almost intercepted, right, Like those are the

1967
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 2: types of throws that like he's got to make. You

1968
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:06,600
Speaker 2: know a lot of people have been talking about the

1969
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 2: Kasiki one in the end zone. Devonte Parker is the

1970
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 2: read on that play. Devonte Parker is wide open, like

1971
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 2: five yards in front over the ball, you know, running

1972
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 2: a little shallow drag over the ball in Mac Jones.

1973
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 2: All Mac Jones got to do is put it on

1974
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 2: him and he's just gonna turn off field and walk

1975
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 2: into the end zone right, and he doesn't completely skips

1976
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 2: the read, just doesn't see it, just completely ignores it.

1977
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:31,599
Speaker 2: They he's got to do much better job of seeing

1978
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 2: the fields, like all the footwork stuff, the decision making stuff.

1979
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 2: I'm willing to bet that it will be better than

1980
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 2: that on Sunday with the Saints. But the reads and

1981
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 2: seeing the field and stuff that's not Mac like Mac

1982
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 2: usually sees the field pretty well. It was disaster. It

1983
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 2: was bad. Yeah, he wasn't good. He was bad. He

1984
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 2: was bad in this game. He was bad.

1985
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 1: And there was no oh, well, you know this part

1986
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:54,720
Speaker 1: of his game was fine, or that part of his

1987
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 1: game was fine.

1988
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 2: The complete thing.

1989
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 1: After the first drive, the complete thing fell apart. So

1990
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:00,679
Speaker 1: I had him as my number one down, all.

1991
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 2: Right, number two down. And this is a speaks to

1992
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 2: what we're talking about the offensive line beginning of the show.

1993
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 2: Vaderian low like Vadarian Lowe is not an NFL tackle.

1994
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. He started three games this year. He has

1995
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 2: given up twenty two pressures? Is it that many? In

1996
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 2: three games? He's given up seventeen over the last two games, seventeen.

1997
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 2: It's a lot at right tackle. Eight last week nine

1998
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 2: this week, it's no contest, right like, especially if you're

1999
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:31,839
Speaker 2: going up against a good edge rusher like Micah Parsons.

2000
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:35,759
Speaker 2: I'll give a Darian Low this. He gets his hands

2001
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 2: on you, initially, he just can't stay with it, right like,

2002
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:41,360
Speaker 2: once he okay, I'll get my punch, I'll get my

2003
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:43,639
Speaker 2: hands on you. But as soon as you start running

2004
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 2: the arc, I'm like, you're you're past me, right and

2005
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:50,639
Speaker 2: that it just it's not it's not sustainable, it's not playable.

2006
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 2: They gotta do something at right tackle, like it's it's

2007
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:56,800
Speaker 2: it's Vaderian. Low's not the answer. They got to do

2008
01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 2: something at right tackle. Whether it's Riley Reeve win City,

2009
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:05,120
Speaker 2: so even like getting an opportunity out there, I don't know,

2010
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 2: but like they have to look elsewhere right tackle. He

2011
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:09,839
Speaker 2: has been a disaster.

2012
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 1: So I just had the entire offensive line. Yeah, and

2013
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:17,720
Speaker 1: it's yeah, so is probably the worst Low Low is

2014
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 1: probably worst of all them. But they in the run

2015
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 1: game in the past game, it didn't matter. They couldn't

2016
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 1: get a freaking push. And I know that Dallas front

2017
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 1: is good, but I mean, was there one snap where

2018
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:32,360
Speaker 1: they won off the ball. They're few and far between,

2019
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 1: if any. And again, the inability to move the ball

2020
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 1: in short yard situations, things like that has to be better,

2021
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:41,640
Speaker 1: has to be better the entire group. We've picked on

2022
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:44,120
Speaker 1: their offensive line a lot this year. I think that

2023
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 1: wasn't well. I was gonna say, like, it's not that

2024
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 1: they've played a bunch of great games. I think that

2025
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 1: was their worst game of the year.

2026
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 2: And I don't think it was close.

2027
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, the right side, especially my set, and it's it's

2028
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:56,240
Speaker 1: not sorry, And it's not even like you can say, oh,

2029
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, they played a good front in Dallas, so

2030
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 1: of course it was their worst game. They played Philly

2031
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 1: in Miami. In the Jets, they've played four good fronts.

2032
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 2: Dallas might.

2033
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:07,760
Speaker 1: Dallas might be the worst front day faced. It's not

2034
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 1: in the top half because Philly's better and the Jets

2035
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 1: are better. Yeah, them in Miami can nit pick that.

2036
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:16,280
Speaker 1: But this was, pound for pound, one of their easier

2037
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 1: games of the year, and it was their worst performance

2038
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:18,559
Speaker 1: of the year.

2039
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 2: So I had Mike on win Who as as my

2040
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:22,760
Speaker 2: second down or third down. I guess I had so

2041
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 2: many of them Mike on win Who in this game.

2042
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:29,840
Speaker 2: First of all, the penalties obviously are killer yea, three penalties.

2043
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:32,240
Speaker 2: Any offensive lineman gets called for three penalties, you're going

2044
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 2: to be on the down list. But I also just

2045
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:36,720
Speaker 2: think that he doesn't look right coming off the ball.

2046
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 2: You know Mike on Wen who is a people moving

2047
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 2: guard and he come usually comes off the ball with aggression,

2048
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:45,519
Speaker 2: with a mentality. I just haven't really seen that at

2049
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:48,759
Speaker 2: all from him. I thought he was okay in pass

2050
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:50,920
Speaker 2: pro for the most part, but in the run game,

2051
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 2: they need him to be a much bigger impact, Like

2052
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 2: he needs to be an impact blocker for them in

2053
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:58,600
Speaker 2: the run game, and he just really hasn't been consistently.

2054
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:01,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the ankle. I don't know

2055
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 2: if it's the lack of training camp and this is

2056
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 2: basically his training camp and he's trying to ramp it

2057
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 2: up in season or whatever. But going into the year

2058
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:13,640
Speaker 2: like that, that's your guy, right, Like, that's the guy

2059
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 2: that you can you're saying is your best offensive lineman.

2060
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:17,720
Speaker 2: He has not played like that and he needs to

2061
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 2: play better.

2062
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:23,720
Speaker 1: Think do you think there's any element of there's too

2063
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:25,640
Speaker 1: much on his plate because of what's happening at right

2064
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 1: tackle and maybe he's starting to push it in overcompensate a.

2065
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 2: Little bit, and that's I think an even bigger reason

2066
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 2: why they need to move on from Vederian Low and

2067
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 2: try some other people there. You know, it was put

2068
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 2: out today by I think Jordan Schultz had the report

2069
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 2: about Layol Collins being he's healthy and clear to physical

2070
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 2: independent physical. Obviously it's from the ACL and the MCL.

2071
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 2: Like the fact that Leon Collins is not online one

2072
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 2: right now is shocking to me. I'm okay with that.

2073
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 1: I don't think Leo Collins is the ultimate fix.

2074
01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 2: Everybody thinks he's thirty years old. He just shredded his knees.

2075
01:33:57,320 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 2: He's got to be better than this. He's got to

2076
01:33:59,439 --> 01:33:59,760
Speaker 2: be better.

2077
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's not worth a flyer, but it

2078
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if in three weeks we're saying, all right,

2079
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:06,360
Speaker 1: they tried Layo Collins, he didn't work.

2080
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:08,519
Speaker 2: Now what he's got to be better when they have,

2081
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 2: and maybe even Riley Reef is better than what they have.

2082
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 1: So Riley, I think they're gonna try Riley ree first

2083
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 1: before Collins.

2084
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 2: That's fair, all right? What do you got how many

2085
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:18,600
Speaker 2: interre we We're three, all right?

2086
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:20,599
Speaker 1: So I had mac Jones I said, the offensive line, okay,

2087
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 1: the offensive coaching staff. That team was not ready schematically,

2088
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:29,280
Speaker 1: that team was not ready emotionally. H the in game

2089
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 1: decisions I already kind of went on about that about

2090
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:35,240
Speaker 1: the short yarded situation in the first half were bad.

2091
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 2: It was it was just all bad. It was all bad.

2092
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 1: It was a team that did not look prepared from

2093
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 1: a coaching point of view, and you got to look

2094
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 1: at the coaches and say, what exactly was the plan

2095
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:51,720
Speaker 1: this week? I had Bill Bellich and so sorry, I

2096
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:54,640
Speaker 1: wanted to add one more thing to that. Again, I

2097
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:57,560
Speaker 1: think they should have run the ball traditionally more and

2098
01:34:57,600 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 1: I think we both agree on that. And then there

2099
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 1: was that court Sunday morning from Ian rapport that Zeke

2100
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:04,880
Speaker 1: was going to get starter type reps and all that.

2101
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 1: He touched the ball nine times and most of those

2102
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:13,800
Speaker 1: are when the game was out of reach. Again, third

2103
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 1: and one in the red zone. This is Zeke's game,

2104
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 1: it's his homecoming. You don't think he's a little extra

2105
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 1: jacked up. You can't give them the ball on an

2106
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 1: HB dive like what they should have come in. The

2107
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 1: Cardinals ran. The Cardinals ran for two hundred and twenty

2108
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 1: two yards on the Cowboys a week before, and there

2109
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:38,599
Speaker 1: was zero interest in getting under center and just plowing

2110
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:42,760
Speaker 1: ahead with the football. Why why why? And I know

2111
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 1: you you kind of explained before. You can't traditionally run

2112
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 1: on the Boys because they do this, you know what,

2113
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 1: I think at a cert as much as we like

2114
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:54,080
Speaker 1: to talk about the breakdown between the two teams, I

2115
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 1: think there is something to be said, you know, not

2116
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:58,639
Speaker 1: for the entire game, but there's something to be said

2117
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:00,880
Speaker 1: for you know what, for get what they do.

2118
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 2: We do this, well, so we're going to try to

2119
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 2: do it. But the problem is in the run game

2120
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 2: right now is what do they do well? Well, they

2121
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 2: don't pass the ball? Well, no, But I'm not talking

2122
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 2: about the offense as a hole because there are things

2123
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:14,720
Speaker 2: in the passing game that I could point to and say,

2124
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:18,599
Speaker 2: you know, these couple of O'Brien's staple contracts. They would say, well,

2125
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:21,160
Speaker 2: the player, I would say, ran, Well, they can't.

2126
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 1: You can't be so afraid of it to the fact

2127
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:27,640
Speaker 1: that you don't even try it, Okay, and maybe it

2128
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 1: doesn't work.

2129
01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 2: And you brought this up in the beginning of the show. Yeah,

2130
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 2: and we only have twenty minutes left. So this is

2131
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:36,400
Speaker 2: probably a much bigger topic to unpack. But I had

2132
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:39,720
Speaker 2: somebody reach out to me that I don't want to

2133
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if he wants this out there, so

2134
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:42,519
Speaker 2: I'm not going to use his name. It's not anybody

2135
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 2: like in the organization of Alabama. It's just somebody that

2136
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:48,800
Speaker 2: covers Alabama football. And he kind of said, like, this

2137
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:51,240
Speaker 2: is what you see, Like this is what I was

2138
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:54,120
Speaker 2: trying to tell you as somebody who watched Alabama football

2139
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 2: last year. He doesn't run the ball, you know, he

2140
01:36:56,200 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 2: doesn't traditionally run the football. And I said that I

2141
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:03,160
Speaker 2: thought that he would up here when they hired Bill O'Brien.

2142
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:05,639
Speaker 2: I thought that he would because Bill would make him

2143
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:08,280
Speaker 2: like Big Bill, not Bill O'Brien, like Bill Belichick would

2144
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:11,760
Speaker 2: make him. And uh, and that hasn't necessarily been the case,

2145
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:14,600
Speaker 2: you know. They they've they kind of use like the

2146
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:17,639
Speaker 2: bad starts as an excuse, like, all we were playing

2147
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 2: from behind and we had to throw our way back in.

2148
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 2: You get down by two touchdowns, you don't just completely

2149
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:25,519
Speaker 2: abandon Also, but also this game, even if you want,

2150
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:27,559
Speaker 2: even if that is their philosophy that if we're down

2151
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 2: two scores, we're not gonna We're not gonna run the ball,

2152
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 2: even if that is their philosophy, it is I forget

2153
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:35,920
Speaker 2: was it three nothing or nothing nothing on that third

2154
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:38,080
Speaker 2: and one? I think it was three nothing, three nothing,

2155
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 2: three nothing, So Cowboys already kick a field goal. It's

2156
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:42,639
Speaker 2: three nothing. Yeah.

2157
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:45,040
Speaker 1: You should not be abandoning the rundown three nothing in

2158
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:47,640
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. You should not a half to ten

2159
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:50,600
Speaker 1: to three yeah, in the second quarter. That is not

2160
01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 1: a spot where you're giving up on the run game.

2161
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:57,280
Speaker 1: This was not oh we were too far behind so

2162
01:37:57,400 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 1: we couldn't run the ball.

2163
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:02,760
Speaker 2: That's not what this was. It's fair. And do you

2164
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:03,200
Speaker 2: want to do.

2165
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 1: Saints key matchups or we're not gonna have time. I

2166
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 1: think we're gonna have time, okay, because there's a number

2167
01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:09,840
Speaker 1: moving forwards that I want to bring up in relation

2168
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:11,519
Speaker 1: to this. We can do what we talked about this, okay,

2169
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:14,639
Speaker 1: So really quickly, I had Bill Belichick on my down list,

2170
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:16,719
Speaker 1: So I think it's along the same lines. I agree

2171
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 1: with you wholeheardly about some of the play calling. Offensively,

2172
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:21,760
Speaker 1: one last thing about the play calling. They only called

2173
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:27,160
Speaker 1: two screens two screen passes the entire game against the

2174
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:29,600
Speaker 1: front that was eating their offensive line alive, Like you

2175
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:32,320
Speaker 1: would think that trying to you know, get invite Parsons

2176
01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:34,680
Speaker 1: and those guys to come up front and you'll come

2177
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 1: downhill and then maybe just pop a screen over their

2178
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 1: heads to Mandre or Zeke would have worked like maybe once,

2179
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying it's gonna work a ton, but

2180
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:44,840
Speaker 1: like maybe you hit one play like they did against Philadelphia,

2181
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:47,640
Speaker 1: right like they hit that one screen. So I was

2182
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:50,000
Speaker 1: shocked about the lack of screen passes in this game.

2183
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 1: Just really quickly on Bill.

2184
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:56,160
Speaker 2: This to me is is a running theme with Bill

2185
01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 2: that is getting me maybe even as as much concerned

2186
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:02,920
Speaker 2: about it as the the personnel stuff that we talk

2187
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 2: about with Build a GM yep, build a game planner,

2188
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:10,160
Speaker 2: and build the game coach like the week coach the

2189
01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:11,840
Speaker 2: game coach. And when it say week I mean like

2190
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 2: the week of the game. Are we sure that he's

2191
01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 2: still got the fastball on that too? Are we sure?

2192
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:20,720
Speaker 2: I tried telling you this after week one because week

2193
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:23,160
Speaker 2: run I thought he coached. They coached well against Philly,

2194
01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 2: especially defensively, they were they were really buttoned up on

2195
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:29,880
Speaker 2: all the quarterback run stuff, the r R PO game,

2196
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:32,680
Speaker 2: like all they had that buttoned up. But at the

2197
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:34,920
Speaker 2: same time, they had all off season to plan that that.

2198
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:37,160
Speaker 1: Game plan and the end game coaching in that game

2199
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:39,639
Speaker 1: was not good, right, But the game planning, Like, that's

2200
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:41,560
Speaker 1: what I'm more concerned about, because that's real, right, Like,

2201
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:44,240
Speaker 1: that's you, that's the chess master behind the scenes.

2202
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:46,719
Speaker 2: Is the game planning stuff. That's what we were. Best

2203
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:51,040
Speaker 2: game planner nobody you'd rather have. He has now gotten

2204
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:54,640
Speaker 2: out coached in two of the last three weeks. He

2205
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:58,960
Speaker 2: got out coached by Mike McDaniel. Mike McDaniel really out

2206
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:02,280
Speaker 2: coached him in that game, and then he got really

2207
01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 2: out coached by Mike McCarthy and Dan Quinn on Sunday,

2208
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:08,840
Speaker 2: but especially McCarthy. Yeah, you know, McCarthy came out and

2209
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 2: I don't think that they were ready for Dak to

2210
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 2: sling it like that. You know, Dak and the gun,

2211
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 2: three eleven personnel, three wide receivers, spread the field, where's

2212
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 2: twenty six, where's twenty seven on the defense, like that

2213
01:40:21,439 --> 01:40:24,800
Speaker 2: we're attacking these guys. I think they thought that like

2214
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,240
Speaker 2: I thought, and I hand up like I thought the

2215
01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:29,720
Speaker 2: same thing. I thought that the Cowboys are going to

2216
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:31,599
Speaker 2: put the ball under center. They were going to run

2217
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:33,479
Speaker 2: the football like they always do. I thought that too.

2218
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 2: They didn't. They came out throwing eighteen passes in the

2219
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 2: first four drives of this game from Dallas. They went

2220
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:41,439
Speaker 2: right down the field on the opening drive on six passes,

2221
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 2: right like, just Dak and the gun spread the field,

2222
01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:48,000
Speaker 2: throw the football, and the Patriots had no answers for it.

2223
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:53,320
Speaker 2: I think people, the offense is clearly the issue with

2224
01:40:53,439 --> 01:40:56,040
Speaker 2: this team right now, so I'm not trying to point

2225
01:40:56,120 --> 01:41:00,840
Speaker 2: fingers at the defense. The Cowboys had five drives of

2226
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:04,080
Speaker 2: over ten plays in this game. They had five drives

2227
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:06,679
Speaker 2: over seventy yards. They had five drives over ten plays.

2228
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:09,639
Speaker 2: I think people look at the final score and are like, well, technically,

2229
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:11,639
Speaker 2: the defense only gave up twenty four points. Like, that's

2230
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:15,560
Speaker 2: not that bad, right. They didn't stop the Cowboys on

2231
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 2: their first drive of the game. Where you mentioned that

2232
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:20,000
Speaker 2: the Cowboys kicked that field goal, Dak and Tony Pollard

2233
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:22,680
Speaker 2: ran into each other. Right, That's the only reason why

2234
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 2: the run didn't work is because they ran into each other.

2235
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:29,080
Speaker 2: On the play. The offense screwed up. They held them

2236
01:41:29,080 --> 01:41:30,840
Speaker 2: in the red zone. They had some good stuff in

2237
01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 2: the red zone, but for the most part, Dallas drove

2238
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:35,280
Speaker 2: the ball in this game at will. They drove the

2239
01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:37,439
Speaker 2: ball at will. And I get that the Patriots were

2240
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:39,639
Speaker 2: short handed in the second theary, I get Christian Gonzalez

2241
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:41,200
Speaker 2: got hurt at the end of the first quarter. The

2242
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:43,920
Speaker 2: first quarter was the same even with Gonzales out there.

2243
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:47,840
Speaker 2: So at this point, you know, this kind of comes

2244
01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:49,720
Speaker 2: back to like Bill and the job security and all

2245
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. We know that he's on the

2246
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:56,680
Speaker 2: hot seat because of his personnel decisions, rightfully, so right

2247
01:41:57,560 --> 01:42:00,240
Speaker 2: and if he's not a great game planner anymore, Like

2248
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:03,240
Speaker 2: that's the that's the Belichick mistique that Nick was talking

2249
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:04,920
Speaker 2: about when we were talking to him about the Saints,

2250
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:09,439
Speaker 2: is the Belichick mystique of game planning and taking away

2251
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:12,680
Speaker 2: your best thing and like, you know, really out coaching you.

2252
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 2: And think, if he can't do that anymore, then I

2253
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:19,320
Speaker 2: present the question to mister Craft of what what does

2254
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:22,320
Speaker 2: he bring to the table? He doesn't the roster is

2255
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:25,120
Speaker 2: not good, the game plan and then game coaching isn't

2256
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:28,680
Speaker 2: necessarily good. What is he bringing to the table. And

2257
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 2: if Bill's gonna like rest on his laurels and figure

2258
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:35,120
Speaker 2: something out for the rest of the season. They've got

2259
01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:37,880
Speaker 2: to get back to out coaching teams again. Yeah, because

2260
01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:39,720
Speaker 2: they don't have the talent to make up for it.

2261
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:42,360
Speaker 2: That's that's why he makes the big bucks. That that's

2262
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:45,640
Speaker 2: why he's here. So I was really frustrated by by

2263
01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:47,960
Speaker 2: the fact that, you know, you mentioned all all great

2264
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:50,479
Speaker 2: points about the offensive coaching and the things that they

2265
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 2: didn't do offensively. Defensively, I thought that they were pretty

2266
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:56,679
Speaker 2: much non competitive as well, except in the red zone.

2267
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I didn't even look at the defense

2268
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:00,479
Speaker 1: from this gameout was just so fag It's like offense.

2269
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:02,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't take my eyes off such a train wreck.

2270
01:43:02,640 --> 01:43:04,120
Speaker 2: It was, well, it was all a train wreck. Yeah,

2271
01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:05,840
Speaker 2: that's what I'm trying to tell you. All right, all right,

2272
01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:07,920
Speaker 2: let's move on. Let's let's clear the phone lines. Then

2273
01:43:07,960 --> 01:43:10,479
Speaker 2: we'll do key matchups that quickly. All right, Ties in Seattle,

2274
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:11,000
Speaker 2: let's up, Tie.

2275
01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:14,720
Speaker 7: Hey, how are you guys? First time caller. I want

2276
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:17,080
Speaker 7: to say thanks for every thing you do. And when

2277
01:43:17,120 --> 01:43:19,840
Speaker 7: Juju came into Juju came to the team, was pretty

2278
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:21,519
Speaker 7: excited for him. I feel like he's kind of been

2279
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:24,720
Speaker 7: a bus sent, you know. He he just doesn't get open,

2280
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:27,280
Speaker 7: get a separation like we need, and just two other

2281
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 7: points I'll take off the air. I was watching some

2282
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:34,040
Speaker 7: film about from the Cowboys game. Uh, Matt's steetwork is

2283
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:37,800
Speaker 7: just regretting. It's horrible. Uh he's he's not playing his

2284
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:41,080
Speaker 7: foot and that threw that throw he made across the numbers.

2285
01:43:41,400 --> 01:43:44,920
Speaker 7: You know, it's high school level mistakes. You know it

2286
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:47,680
Speaker 7: was big on Mac. But again, you know every week

2287
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:51,320
Speaker 7: he's just like he's regressing. Even that pick six, he

2288
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:53,400
Speaker 7: immediately left the pocket. I mean it was closing in

2289
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:56,560
Speaker 7: but he still had time in there. And then a

2290
01:43:56,640 --> 01:44:02,400
Speaker 7: touchdown throw that one definitely win over top. He you know,

2291
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:04,839
Speaker 7: looked off his number one and number two option immediately

2292
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:07,800
Speaker 7: he had that throw in the middle there. You know,

2293
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:09,920
Speaker 7: it's it's after the fact and when he went quarterback,

2294
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:14,360
Speaker 7: but it's just you know, it's time NFL level quarterbacking.

2295
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:18,439
Speaker 7: And then last just kind of curious why it feels

2296
01:44:18,479 --> 01:44:20,479
Speaker 7: like when I watched the past games, compared to other games,

2297
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:23,639
Speaker 7: they're just so slow looking on the field of their motions,

2298
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:26,800
Speaker 7: their plays. There's just really no urgency there as far

2299
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:29,120
Speaker 7: as get the ball and go compared to some of

2300
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:32,040
Speaker 7: these other new offenses in the league, and again I'll

2301
01:44:32,120 --> 01:44:33,280
Speaker 7: take off fair thanks for everything and.

2302
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 8: Have a good day.

2303
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:35,720
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Tye. Yeah, I mean we broke

2304
01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:38,720
Speaker 2: down the footwork stuff with Mac and that's definitely you

2305
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:41,519
Speaker 2: know your spot on here, definitely seeing the right things

2306
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:44,000
Speaker 2: there and things like that. In terms of the motion

2307
01:44:44,720 --> 01:44:46,479
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. This was on my mind too,

2308
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:50,320
Speaker 2: because some of the stuff that they're like trying to

2309
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:53,080
Speaker 2: hit is just too slow. Like it's just it doesn't

2310
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:55,360
Speaker 2: all of it does doesn't move fasten. Yeah, Right, And

2311
01:44:55,560 --> 01:44:57,559
Speaker 2: we've talked about teams speed on offense and it being

2312
01:44:57,640 --> 01:45:00,280
Speaker 2: a concern. I think one of the biggest reasons why

2313
01:45:01,240 --> 01:45:03,000
Speaker 2: they're so slow on offense is because of how many

2314
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:06,240
Speaker 2: tight ends they're playing. And they're playing two or three

2315
01:45:06,280 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 2: tight ends like all the time, right, you know, like

2316
01:45:08,120 --> 01:45:10,919
Speaker 2: they're playing two or three either twelve personnel thirteen personnel,

2317
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:13,640
Speaker 2: like something like eighty five percent of the game in

2318
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 2: some of these games. I get why they're doing it.

2319
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:17,840
Speaker 2: They're doing it because they need to figure out a

2320
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:20,280
Speaker 2: way to block, right, So they're trying to put more

2321
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:22,240
Speaker 2: blockers on the field to try to figure it out.

2322
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:23,400
Speaker 3: But the the.

2323
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:27,240
Speaker 2: Outcome is is, like Mike Kasiki is like running a

2324
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:30,960
Speaker 2: deep over Mikeasiki is not you know, he's a fast

2325
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:34,200
Speaker 2: tight end, I suppose, but he's not like a deep

2326
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 2: over special runner right like he's It's not like that

2327
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:39,400
Speaker 2: shouldn't be him. You know, that's a right you're trying

2328
01:45:39,400 --> 01:45:41,240
Speaker 2: to win on and trying to you know, generate an

2329
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:43,880
Speaker 2: explosive off of and you have a six foot six,

2330
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:46,160
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty pounds tight end running it right,

2331
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:48,160
Speaker 2: So it just is too slow. It just doesn't work

2332
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:52,000
Speaker 2: like that. So they've got to figure out a way

2333
01:45:52,040 --> 01:45:54,639
Speaker 2: to run the ball. We know that, but I don't

2334
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:57,000
Speaker 2: necessarily know if the heavy packages is doing them any

2335
01:45:57,040 --> 01:45:59,559
Speaker 2: favors because they can't throw out of it. So maybe

2336
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:01,479
Speaker 2: eleven personnel is the way to go to get more

2337
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 2: receivers on the field. This kind of goes to, you know,

2338
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:06,120
Speaker 2: everybody's point about Pop Douglas, like you're only playing an

2339
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:08,920
Speaker 2: eighteen snaps, Like some of these routes like that need

2340
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:11,759
Speaker 2: to hit quicker, need to be by run by faster

2341
01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:16,599
Speaker 2: people like Pop Douglas, like a Kendrick Bourne, like Taekwon

2342
01:46:16,640 --> 01:46:18,280
Speaker 2: if he ever gets his butt back on the field,

2343
01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:19,960
Speaker 2: right like, you know, those are the types of guys

2344
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:22,080
Speaker 2: that need to be running those types of routes. All right,

2345
01:46:22,479 --> 01:46:25,040
Speaker 2: Roman is in our Justin, Sorry, go in order here.

2346
01:46:25,200 --> 01:46:26,519
Speaker 2: Justin's in Houston. What's up Justin?

2347
01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:29,040
Speaker 8: Hey guys, how's it going?

2348
01:46:29,120 --> 01:46:29,439
Speaker 2: Hey?

2349
01:46:30,840 --> 01:46:34,360
Speaker 8: Hey man time probably one time listeners. So I got

2350
01:46:34,479 --> 01:46:37,360
Speaker 8: two things I want to say. I was curious that

2351
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:40,439
Speaker 8: you guys think build a Spelli checkle that would be

2352
01:46:40,640 --> 01:46:43,439
Speaker 8: relieved of his GM duty to pass that along with

2353
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:45,840
Speaker 8: somebody kind of like the Nike stereo type of thing.

2354
01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:47,840
Speaker 8: I think me personally, the game that's kind of just

2355
01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:50,120
Speaker 8: passed them by. I mean you go back to whenever

2356
01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:53,760
Speaker 8: cole Strains was drafted. Sean McVay was on Live TV

2357
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:55,680
Speaker 8: saying they had a fourth round grade on the guy.

2358
01:46:56,520 --> 01:46:59,320
Speaker 8: And I got a one more thing I want to say, Evan.

2359
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:03,360
Speaker 8: I know hindsight is twenty twenty, but what do you personally.

2360
01:47:03,080 --> 01:47:03,759
Speaker 3: See in juju?

2361
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:06,439
Speaker 8: I know what most guys talk up great over to Kobe,

2362
01:47:06,640 --> 01:47:08,760
Speaker 8: but I nenver saw it. I mean, the guys can't

2363
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 8: even break a thousand yards and home still at home,

2364
01:47:11,439 --> 01:47:15,880
Speaker 8: and that often anybody ex healthy. But yeah, that's it

2365
01:47:15,960 --> 01:47:16,160
Speaker 8: for me.

2366
01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:19,519
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks for the call, Justin. We appreciate it. Uh, look,

2367
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:21,800
Speaker 2: I missed on Juju. I'm not going to try to

2368
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:24,800
Speaker 2: sugarcoat that. I thought that Juju is going to be

2369
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:27,320
Speaker 2: much better than this. I think what I saw with

2370
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:30,160
Speaker 2: Juju is a really good catch and run player. But

2371
01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:34,639
Speaker 2: the problem is is that for Kansas City, at least

2372
01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:36,920
Speaker 2: last year, they found a ways to get him into

2373
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:39,519
Speaker 2: catch and run opportunities and the Patriots just haven't really

2374
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:41,160
Speaker 2: been able to do that and haven't been able to

2375
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:44,360
Speaker 2: get him loose and get him moving. He's not a jitterbug.

2376
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:46,599
Speaker 2: He's not Pop Douglas, right, so he's not gonna shake

2377
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:49,160
Speaker 2: out of tackles. He has to be able to run

2378
01:47:49,240 --> 01:47:51,240
Speaker 2: with the football, you know. Hit him on a slant

2379
01:47:51,280 --> 01:47:52,800
Speaker 2: and watch him run, Hit him on a dig and

2380
01:47:52,840 --> 01:47:54,479
Speaker 2: watch him run with it. Like those are the types

2381
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:56,560
Speaker 2: of routes that he ran in Kansas City that he

2382
01:47:56,720 --> 01:47:58,920
Speaker 2: was effective on and they just haven't gotten the loose.

2383
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:02,160
Speaker 2: And this is something that really Alex, We're on like

2384
01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:05,240
Speaker 2: three different coordinators that like can't get these catch and

2385
01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:08,680
Speaker 2: run players the ball in space. I don't think. I

2386
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:11,519
Speaker 2: think McDaniel's really struggled with it with nickil Harry and

2387
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:15,040
Speaker 2: with Johnny Smith. I think Patricia obviously struggled it with

2388
01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:17,400
Speaker 2: it last year again with John hu And I get

2389
01:48:17,439 --> 01:48:18,880
Speaker 2: that people can point to it and say, oh, well,

2390
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:21,559
Speaker 2: those players just stink, right, like it's just on the personnel,

2391
01:48:21,560 --> 01:48:23,040
Speaker 2: and it's on the player, John who.

2392
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:25,720
Speaker 1: Has more receiving yards than anybody on the Patriots this year.

2393
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:27,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's the number two.

2394
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:30,040
Speaker 1: Well when you talk about the Falcons usage of.

2395
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:33,920
Speaker 2: The would trade for Kyle Pitts, right, yeah, anyways, but

2396
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:37,439
Speaker 2: you know now they're doing it again with Juju is

2397
01:48:37,479 --> 01:48:40,800
Speaker 2: not a separator. Juju doesn't separate on his own. He's

2398
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:42,519
Speaker 2: not like a one on one winner, Like, that's not

2399
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:45,360
Speaker 2: Juju Smith Schuster's game. They gotta, you know, they gotta

2400
01:48:45,479 --> 01:48:47,680
Speaker 2: get him off the line of screamage. They gotta run

2401
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:50,360
Speaker 2: him on rubs on like you know, again, zone coverage.

2402
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:52,880
Speaker 2: He's much better, Like, find ways to get him out

2403
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:55,160
Speaker 2: into some space where he can run with the football.

2404
01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:56,720
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that that's gonna turn him into a

2405
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:59,960
Speaker 2: thousand yard receiver, but that's what he was at his best.

2406
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 2: Right He's running those types of routes and they just

2407
01:49:02,360 --> 01:49:04,920
Speaker 2: haven't really gotten gotten that. But I was totally wrong

2408
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:08,879
Speaker 2: about Juju and Jacoby Myers. I'll admit that Roman's in Chicago.

2409
01:49:08,920 --> 01:49:09,559
Speaker 2: What's up Roman?

2410
01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:12,280
Speaker 8: Uh?

2411
01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:14,800
Speaker 2: We left. I didn't even leave Roman on hold for

2412
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:16,320
Speaker 2: that long. No one, you know, some of the other

2413
01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:17,800
Speaker 2: people are waiting for like over an hour.

2414
01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:20,080
Speaker 1: When you call somebody's name and then you backtrack on it,

2415
01:49:20,160 --> 01:49:20,920
Speaker 1: people hang you.

2416
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:23,880
Speaker 2: You can't do that. Oh oh, they're never gonna get

2417
01:49:23,880 --> 01:49:27,880
Speaker 2: it to me. So it was on the screen in

2418
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:30,200
Speaker 2: a different order. All right. Anyways, let's do key matchups

2419
01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:34,639
Speaker 2: really quickly. All right, my first key matchup in this game.

2420
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll have some overlap which will help. But Darian

2421
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:41,519
Speaker 2: low against Cameron Jordan, this is to me. When the

2422
01:49:41,560 --> 01:49:43,880
Speaker 2: Patriots have the ball, this is the game. Yeah, if

2423
01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:47,360
Speaker 2: they're gonna leave a Darian Lowe at right tackle Cameron Jordan,

2424
01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:49,760
Speaker 2: that's where he lines up. That's where he rushes over.

2425
01:49:50,680 --> 01:49:52,720
Speaker 2: Cameron Jordan might as well be twenty six years old.

2426
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:54,400
Speaker 2: Like that's the way. He doesn't play like a thirty

2427
01:49:54,439 --> 01:49:58,200
Speaker 2: four times it's wild. He's agent like fine wine him

2428
01:49:58,240 --> 01:50:03,000
Speaker 2: and tomorrow Davis. This this is a absolute mismatch, a

2429
01:50:03,200 --> 01:50:07,720
Speaker 2: monster mismatch. On the same plane, I would say is

2430
01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:10,559
Speaker 2: like not necessarily Mike A. Parsons because I don't think

2431
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:13,760
Speaker 2: Cameron Jordan's in that category of elite. But like John

2432
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:16,559
Speaker 2: Franklin Myers, who also ate up Vederian Low two weeks ago,

2433
01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:20,519
Speaker 2: this is a this is a big you know, warning warning,

2434
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:22,799
Speaker 2: right like for me with the Patriots in this matchup.

2435
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:23,360
Speaker 8: Uh.

2436
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:28,519
Speaker 2: I think the toughest part too with Cameron Jordan is

2437
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:30,720
Speaker 2: that he's a great run player as well, Like he

2438
01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:33,280
Speaker 2: can rush the passer, but he does it both at

2439
01:50:33,320 --> 01:50:37,000
Speaker 2: a high level. So the running the ball at him

2440
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:39,880
Speaker 2: and pass blocking him for with Vederian Low is gonna

2441
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:42,880
Speaker 2: be an issue for this team on Sunday. So, yeah,

2442
01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:45,040
Speaker 2: that that's my number one matchup. That's that's one that

2443
01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:46,360
Speaker 2: everybody should have circle.

2444
01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:48,560
Speaker 1: All right, I'll go with on the other side of

2445
01:50:48,600 --> 01:50:51,200
Speaker 1: the ball, the Patriots, because look, if the Patriots are

2446
01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:52,759
Speaker 1: gonna win this game, they're gonna do it eventsively.

2447
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:53,160
Speaker 2: Yep.

2448
01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:57,559
Speaker 1: Just the Patriots front seven against Alvin Kamara.

2449
01:50:57,680 --> 01:50:58,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have that one too.

2450
01:50:58,640 --> 01:51:01,559
Speaker 1: The Saints ran forty three plays last week, yeah, which

2451
01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:05,519
Speaker 1: is low, but they ran forty three plays. Twenty five

2452
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:10,160
Speaker 1: of those, yeah, were to Alvin Kamara. Fourteen targets, thirteen

2453
01:51:10,200 --> 01:51:12,600
Speaker 1: of them catches, eleven carries. Yeah, and that was his

2454
01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:16,120
Speaker 1: first week back after missing three weeks. Yeah, say what

2455
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:18,559
Speaker 1: you know about Mike Thomas lave. I think Derek Carrs

2456
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:22,920
Speaker 1: shoulder probably factors into this. Alvin Kamara is the game

2457
01:51:23,080 --> 01:51:25,639
Speaker 1: for the Saints offense. And I asked Lawrence Guy about

2458
01:51:25,680 --> 01:51:27,799
Speaker 1: him earlier today and I was like, oh, you should

2459
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:30,320
Speaker 1: like the way he cuts, and like, they're clearly impressed

2460
01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:30,800
Speaker 1: with this guy.

2461
01:51:31,160 --> 01:51:31,760
Speaker 2: It's hard not to.

2462
01:51:32,040 --> 01:51:34,320
Speaker 1: Lawrence Guy called him rare. His ability to cut back rare.

2463
01:51:35,200 --> 01:51:39,160
Speaker 1: He's slippery. You gotta swarm to the football gang tackling.

2464
01:51:39,479 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 1: They cannot be missing tackles this week. They cannot be

2465
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:46,400
Speaker 1: missing tackles, especially against Alvin Kamara because more often than not, again,

2466
01:51:46,680 --> 01:51:49,599
Speaker 1: twenty five or forty three plays, that's way more than half.

2467
01:51:50,479 --> 01:51:52,120
Speaker 1: This is the guy the Saints are counting on to

2468
01:51:52,160 --> 01:51:52,760
Speaker 1: win them in the game.

2469
01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:54,840
Speaker 2: You gotta be able to shut him down. Yeah, he's

2470
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:57,439
Speaker 2: he's a problem. Last week. You only had eleven carries

2471
01:51:57,439 --> 01:51:59,439
Speaker 2: in this first game back. All of them were outside

2472
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:02,920
Speaker 2: zone run all even so they're they're an outside zone team.

2473
01:52:03,439 --> 01:52:05,439
Speaker 2: He loves you, like you said, the cutbacks and things

2474
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:08,760
Speaker 2: like that. That's his game. He's impossible to tackle. His

2475
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:11,080
Speaker 2: contact balance and his ability to break tackles has been

2476
01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:13,680
Speaker 2: his calling cards since day one. He's great like that.

2477
01:52:14,040 --> 01:52:16,000
Speaker 2: I would say also in the passing game, like you

2478
01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:17,960
Speaker 2: almost have to treat him as a wide receiver in

2479
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:22,320
Speaker 2: the passing game, So like Juwan Bentley and Jeelani Tavai

2480
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:26,000
Speaker 2: cannot be isolated on Alvin Kamara on Sunday, Like you

2481
01:52:26,120 --> 01:52:29,679
Speaker 2: have to treat him like, yeah, a Marde Mapu, Kyle Duggar,

2482
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:32,679
Speaker 2: maybe even Jalen Mills, Like you have to have somebody

2483
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:36,880
Speaker 2: that's the cover guy covering Alvin Kamara when they flex

2484
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:39,599
Speaker 2: him out or in the passing game, he's a problem.

2485
01:52:40,120 --> 01:52:42,639
Speaker 2: And with Derek Carr's shoulder, you know that's the guy

2486
01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:44,400
Speaker 2: that the ball is gonna funnel through. Right now, It's

2487
01:52:44,439 --> 01:52:46,760
Speaker 2: not gonna be a lobby, I don't think necessarily, because

2488
01:52:47,040 --> 01:52:49,040
Speaker 2: a lobby is a vertical guy that needs to get

2489
01:52:49,080 --> 01:52:51,640
Speaker 2: the ball deep. I think a Kamara is gonna be

2490
01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:52,639
Speaker 2: a big part of their game plan.

2491
01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:54,920
Speaker 1: Again, so I would kind of add to this because

2492
01:52:55,080 --> 01:52:56,559
Speaker 1: the way I write it now for ninety eight five,

2493
01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:58,840
Speaker 1: I do like think things to watch for instead of

2494
01:52:58,920 --> 01:53:03,080
Speaker 1: key matchups within this, the defense has to start making plays.

2495
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:05,519
Speaker 2: And I know you, I think you tweeted about this

2496
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:07,080
Speaker 2: this week and it was a good point. People got

2497
01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:10,200
Speaker 2: mad at me. You were right, don't blame the defense.

2498
01:53:10,040 --> 01:53:14,800
Speaker 1: Especially now. The defense can't just stop by the way.

2499
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:18,120
Speaker 1: This is something the Saints defense does incredibly well. Yeah,

2500
01:53:18,520 --> 01:53:22,160
Speaker 1: this Saints defense, they're not out there to stop the offense.

2501
01:53:22,439 --> 01:53:24,639
Speaker 1: They're out there to make plays in their own right,

2502
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:27,479
Speaker 1: whether it's tackles for loss, a sacks, forcing turnovers, things

2503
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:31,160
Speaker 1: like that. The Patriots defense needs to have that mentality

2504
01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:34,160
Speaker 1: this week, not just tackling Alvin Kamara, but getting to

2505
01:53:34,240 --> 01:53:36,840
Speaker 1: them in the backfield, not just knocking passes down, but

2506
01:53:36,920 --> 01:53:39,240
Speaker 1: picking them off when you get to the ballcarrier, right,

2507
01:53:39,240 --> 01:53:41,720
Speaker 1: because they got to be swarm tackling. First guy, hold

2508
01:53:41,720 --> 01:53:44,120
Speaker 1: them up, second guy, punch it out. It's got to

2509
01:53:44,160 --> 01:53:45,160
Speaker 1: be things like that this week.

2510
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:47,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look I said this on Twitter, and I

2511
01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:49,680
Speaker 2: joke like about people coming after me, but they did

2512
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:51,760
Speaker 2: come after me about it, and I thought it was

2513
01:53:51,760 --> 01:53:55,400
Speaker 2: a good take. My whole point was is that we

2514
01:53:55,560 --> 01:54:02,000
Speaker 2: can disagree with the head coach here the philosophical idea

2515
01:54:02,160 --> 01:54:04,560
Speaker 2: of winning the game on defense. We all agree that

2516
01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:06,960
Speaker 2: that's not how the game has played anymore. That's not

2517
01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:09,320
Speaker 2: how you can win anymore at a high level. We

2518
01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:12,240
Speaker 2: all agree, But the bottom line is that they came

2519
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:14,760
Speaker 2: into the season expecting their defense to be dominant, and

2520
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:16,800
Speaker 2: when you're a dominant defense, you turn the ball over.

2521
01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:19,920
Speaker 2: It's not just about points per game. It's not just

2522
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:23,120
Speaker 2: about points per game. The Patriots have had great defenses

2523
01:54:23,160 --> 01:54:25,280
Speaker 2: in terms of points per game that have given up

2524
01:54:25,320 --> 01:54:27,519
Speaker 2: a ton of yards, and our ben don't break and

2525
01:54:27,600 --> 01:54:30,040
Speaker 2: then are good in the red zone and good situationally,

2526
01:54:30,479 --> 01:54:32,600
Speaker 2: so they don't give up, you know, forty points a game.

2527
01:54:33,000 --> 01:54:36,760
Speaker 2: They only give up eighteen. This defense was not built

2528
01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:39,040
Speaker 2: for that. This defense was built to take the ball away.

2529
01:54:39,640 --> 01:54:41,640
Speaker 2: And I think a couple of different things that I've

2530
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:44,400
Speaker 2: noticed about the way that they play right now. First

2531
01:54:44,440 --> 01:54:48,120
Speaker 2: of all, you gotta play Kyle Duggart close to the ball.

2532
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:51,520
Speaker 2: Kyle Duggar's got to be close to the ball. Whatever

2533
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:54,480
Speaker 2: you have to do with Devin mccorty's role, like whatever

2534
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:56,920
Speaker 2: whoever has to play post safety to make that happen.

2535
01:54:57,240 --> 01:54:59,840
Speaker 2: You gotta try to make that happen because playing him

2536
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:01,960
Speaker 2: twelve yards off the ball at this snap every single

2537
01:55:02,040 --> 01:55:05,640
Speaker 2: time is taking away his superpower, which is playmaking around

2538
01:55:05,680 --> 01:55:08,600
Speaker 2: the football. He's got to be around the ball because

2539
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:10,800
Speaker 2: he has to be producing the turnovers he was producing

2540
01:55:10,920 --> 01:55:13,320
Speaker 2: last year, and he's not doing that right now because

2541
01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:15,680
Speaker 2: he's playing so deep off the line of scrimmage. So

2542
01:55:16,360 --> 01:55:18,160
Speaker 2: a guy like Kyle Duggart needs to be close to

2543
01:55:18,200 --> 01:55:21,080
Speaker 2: the ball. You get JC back, hopefully mister Iront comes

2544
01:55:21,160 --> 01:55:24,400
Speaker 2: up with his signature a right, and maybe Jack Jones

2545
01:55:24,440 --> 01:55:26,440
Speaker 2: comes back at some point, and the ball hawks a

2546
01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:31,280
Speaker 2: little bit as well. But in general, you weren't I'm sorry,

2547
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:33,800
Speaker 2: in the modern NFL, you are not a good defense.

2548
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:36,760
Speaker 2: If you have two takeaways in four games, you just aren't.

2549
01:55:37,000 --> 01:55:38,800
Speaker 1: In a lot of errors, I don't even think that's

2550
01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:41,160
Speaker 1: a modern thing, a lot of errors. You're not a committee,

2551
01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:45,320
Speaker 1: it's like, especially in this era, because like that, that's

2552
01:55:45,320 --> 01:55:47,080
Speaker 1: how defense impacts the game more than anything else.

2553
01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:49,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a back and forth, right, Like the offense

2554
01:55:49,480 --> 01:55:51,520
Speaker 2: is gonna land some punches and you have to land

2555
01:55:51,560 --> 01:55:54,320
Speaker 2: some punches. They they have to turn the ball over

2556
01:55:54,400 --> 01:55:57,320
Speaker 2: more than they have. Yeah, and that's the I couldn't

2557
01:55:57,320 --> 01:55:59,680
Speaker 2: agree more with that. All Right, my last one here,

2558
01:56:00,200 --> 01:56:02,480
Speaker 2: this one's going you know me, I gotta go interior offensive.

2559
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:10,640
Speaker 2: Okay Hurst, their right guard against Christian Barmore. This is

2560
01:56:10,680 --> 01:56:12,880
Speaker 2: the weak point of their offensive line right now. And

2561
01:56:13,080 --> 01:56:14,960
Speaker 2: of course I'm blanking on his freaking first name like

2562
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:19,520
Speaker 2: an idiot. But Christian Barmore without I'll get it in

2563
01:56:19,560 --> 01:56:23,560
Speaker 2: here in this I'll keep talking. Christian Barmore without Matthew

2564
01:56:23,640 --> 01:56:27,200
Speaker 2: Judon becomes your second best pass rusher, right, Joshu Jay

2565
01:56:27,240 --> 01:56:30,040
Speaker 2: is your best pass rusher, and Christian Barmore becomes your

2566
01:56:30,040 --> 01:56:32,000
Speaker 2: second best. It's James Hurst, James.

2567
01:56:31,880 --> 01:56:33,880
Speaker 1: Hurst, Okay, all right, because and andrews Pete is out.

2568
01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so James Hurst is their right guard. I think

2569
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:41,400
Speaker 2: he's like something like sixty second among seventy guards in

2570
01:56:41,480 --> 01:56:44,240
Speaker 2: pass blocking grade right now in PFF right, so like

2571
01:56:44,320 --> 01:56:48,360
Speaker 2: he can't pass block very well. And your one two

2572
01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:51,000
Speaker 2: punch now in the pass rush becomes josh U j

2573
01:56:51,120 --> 01:56:53,520
Speaker 2: and Christian Barmore. So I think they really need to

2574
01:56:53,560 --> 01:56:56,160
Speaker 2: get some interior pressure. Watching that film last week against

2575
01:56:56,200 --> 01:56:59,440
Speaker 2: the Bucks Vita Vea just eight Hurst alive was in

2576
01:56:59,480 --> 01:57:01,760
Speaker 2: the backfield for a lot of that game. So I

2577
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:04,960
Speaker 2: need to see that that old rookie season Christian bar Moore.

2578
01:57:05,200 --> 01:57:07,240
Speaker 2: I know we all want to see kef. I was

2579
01:57:07,280 --> 01:57:08,960
Speaker 2: gonna say, can we put Keon White in there as well.

2580
01:57:09,080 --> 01:57:11,760
Speaker 2: But it's gonna is gonna get a lot more attention now,

2581
01:57:11,880 --> 01:57:14,840
Speaker 2: like is gonna be the judon of this defense in

2582
01:57:14,920 --> 01:57:18,760
Speaker 2: pass for situations. Now they have to get some interior pressure.

2583
01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:21,320
Speaker 2: They have to get some secondary rushers, and Christian Barmore

2584
01:57:21,320 --> 01:57:23,240
Speaker 2: has got to lead that. Okay, So I only gave one.

2585
01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:26,000
Speaker 1: One of them was just Rashichi heat kickoffs. Contain him

2586
01:57:26,440 --> 01:57:28,200
Speaker 1: the last one. This is the number I've been teasing

2587
01:57:28,240 --> 01:57:32,080
Speaker 1: all game, Evan, the Patriots third down offense against the

2588
01:57:32,120 --> 01:57:37,520
Speaker 1: Saints third down defense. And again when you get third

2589
01:57:37,560 --> 01:57:42,320
Speaker 1: and short, yeah, run the ball.

2590
01:57:42,520 --> 01:57:44,680
Speaker 2: They're not going to listen. Just to mess with you.

2591
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:48,760
Speaker 1: The Saints have faced seventeen third and shorts this year,

2592
01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:52,720
Speaker 1: so we're going yards to go three or less? All right,

2593
01:57:53,280 --> 01:57:56,400
Speaker 1: nearly an even split on those plays. They faced eight

2594
01:57:56,520 --> 01:57:57,520
Speaker 1: runs nine passes.

2595
01:57:58,120 --> 01:57:58,640
Speaker 2: Yep. Okay.

2596
01:57:59,400 --> 01:58:02,840
Speaker 1: When Tames throw the ball against the Saints on third

2597
01:58:02,840 --> 01:58:04,520
Speaker 1: and short, yes, I can't tell if you're making fun

2598
01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:05,120
Speaker 1: of me, you're extra.

2599
01:58:06,120 --> 01:58:07,240
Speaker 2: I have it on a table here. Do you want

2600
01:58:07,240 --> 01:58:07,520
Speaker 2: to see it?

2601
01:58:07,600 --> 01:58:07,640
Speaker 3: No?

2602
01:58:07,680 --> 01:58:11,760
Speaker 2: I just want to keep going. When which is when

2603
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:12,560
Speaker 2: we need a whiteboard?

2604
01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:15,200
Speaker 1: Right, when teams throw the ball against the Saints on

2605
01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:17,920
Speaker 1: third and short. Yes, they are converting a first down

2606
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:19,080
Speaker 1: thirty three percent of the time.

2607
01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:19,560
Speaker 2: It's not good.

2608
01:58:19,960 --> 01:58:21,800
Speaker 1: When they run the ball against the Saints on third

2609
01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:25,000
Speaker 1: and short sixty two percent of the time is good.

2610
01:58:25,360 --> 01:58:28,040
Speaker 1: That's better than the league average. The other ones worse.

2611
01:58:28,720 --> 01:58:32,520
Speaker 1: Run third and short, third and one hand the ball off.

2612
01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:35,440
Speaker 1: I feel like in the blind side, run the damn ball.

2613
01:58:36,120 --> 01:58:39,280
Speaker 1: And yes, the runs and include quarterback sneaks. No, no

2614
01:58:39,480 --> 01:58:42,080
Speaker 1: quarterback sneak, no handing it off out of the shotgun.

2615
01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:48,120
Speaker 1: No put zeke, put remandree back there, put Pharaoh Brown

2616
01:58:48,200 --> 01:58:52,080
Speaker 1: in front of him. In Sandra Bullock, run the damn ball,

2617
01:58:52,240 --> 01:58:53,960
Speaker 1: I think that's right.

2618
01:58:54,560 --> 01:58:57,000
Speaker 2: Did that start with Marshaun Lynch? I don't know, but

2619
01:58:57,160 --> 01:58:59,720
Speaker 2: that that's I always think it was Sandra Bullock.

2620
01:58:59,560 --> 01:59:03,160
Speaker 1: On third the Saints good against the pass, bad against

2621
01:59:03,200 --> 01:59:06,160
Speaker 1: the run on third and short the ball and there's

2622
01:59:06,240 --> 01:59:08,839
Speaker 1: no sample sized thing there same number of plays.

2623
01:59:09,200 --> 01:59:11,640
Speaker 2: I want run the ball. I want them to. I

2624
01:59:11,720 --> 01:59:13,520
Speaker 2: want them to make. You know, they made these like

2625
01:59:13,600 --> 01:59:16,440
Speaker 2: tough guys cover kick t shirts. Can we just run, like,

2626
01:59:16,520 --> 01:59:18,400
Speaker 2: make a T shirt that actually matters and it says

2627
01:59:18,440 --> 01:59:20,440
Speaker 2: run the damn ball. Tough teams run the ball on

2628
01:59:20,520 --> 01:59:22,360
Speaker 2: third and one. Yeah, that's a better T shirt.

2629
01:59:22,440 --> 01:59:23,840
Speaker 1: Tough teams run the ball on third and one.

2630
01:59:23,880 --> 01:59:25,720
Speaker 2: All right, very last thing here, then we gotta wrap

2631
01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:30,360
Speaker 2: really quickly. Just don't don't get yourself caught with your

2632
01:59:30,400 --> 01:59:32,200
Speaker 2: pants down when Taysom Hill comes in the game at

2633
01:59:32,280 --> 01:59:35,200
Speaker 2: quarter pot. Yeah, like, it's not a it's not like

2634
01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:38,040
Speaker 2: this huge thing but that we need to break down

2635
01:59:38,160 --> 01:59:41,160
Speaker 2: for thirty minutes. Don't worry marine, but the big the

2636
01:59:41,200 --> 01:59:45,160
Speaker 2: biggest thing is just looked at the clock. Don't be surprised, Like,

2637
01:59:45,240 --> 01:59:47,960
Speaker 2: don't be surprised when they try to run like QB

2638
01:59:48,160 --> 01:59:50,520
Speaker 2: power with Taysom Hill and all of a sudden, it's

2639
01:59:50,600 --> 01:59:53,880
Speaker 2: you know, it's the Wildcat Dolphins game with Ronnie Brown, right, Like,

2640
01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:57,000
Speaker 2: just don't don't take it lightly and don't be surprised

2641
01:59:57,040 --> 01:59:59,760
Speaker 2: by it. The Patriots have a plan against it. They'll

2642
01:59:59,800 --> 02:00:03,760
Speaker 2: be fine, but they will put Taysom Hill at quarterbacks

2643
02:00:03,800 --> 02:00:05,760
Speaker 2: some in this game and have them run wildcat Like

2644
02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:08,120
Speaker 2: that's going to happen. It happened, They did it last week,

2645
02:00:08,200 --> 02:00:10,560
Speaker 2: They're gonna do it again this week, and they're gonna

2646
02:00:10,600 --> 02:00:13,800
Speaker 2: try to hit the Patriots. I'm sure on some of

2647
02:00:13,840 --> 02:00:15,720
Speaker 2: the things that have given them problems, you know, like

2648
02:00:15,880 --> 02:00:18,800
Speaker 2: power and counter with Lamar and justin fields last year.

2649
02:00:19,280 --> 02:00:20,880
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're gonna try to do some of those

2650
02:00:20,920 --> 02:00:23,000
Speaker 2: things and test it and see if the Patriots are

2651
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:25,320
Speaker 2: ready for it. So just don't get yourself caught in

2652
02:00:25,400 --> 02:00:27,560
Speaker 2: a place where you're like, oh, right, Taysom Hill and

2653
02:00:27,600 --> 02:00:29,640
Speaker 2: then he's got, like, you know, a ridiculous game on

2654
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:33,720
Speaker 2: his hands. This game is gonna be offense is gonna

2655
02:00:33,720 --> 02:00:35,800
Speaker 2: be at a premium for both of these teams. I think,

2656
02:00:36,080 --> 02:00:38,240
Speaker 2: you know, the Saints their quarterbacks banged up, and they

2657
02:00:38,280 --> 02:00:40,520
Speaker 2: haven't been a good offense so far. The Patriots haven't

2658
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:42,720
Speaker 2: been a good offense because of their own reasons. And

2659
02:00:43,160 --> 02:00:47,440
Speaker 2: you know, this should be eighteen fifteen, seventeen fourteen type

2660
02:00:47,480 --> 02:00:50,000
Speaker 2: of game, and you don't want Taysom Hill to be

2661
02:00:50,080 --> 02:00:53,080
Speaker 2: the difference in that for New Orleans. Like one drive

2662
02:00:53,160 --> 02:00:55,200
Speaker 2: that Taysom Hill comes out and runs the ball down

2663
02:00:55,240 --> 02:00:57,760
Speaker 2: the field. So just be ready for that. Do you

2664
02:00:57,880 --> 02:01:00,920
Speaker 2: like the Patriots in this game on Sunday? You're taking

2665
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:04,080
Speaker 2: the Patriots because they're at home? Yeah, I do, But

2666
02:01:04,120 --> 02:01:06,120
Speaker 2: I don't feel great about it. I mean neither I've

2667
02:01:06,200 --> 02:01:09,160
Speaker 2: taken the Patriots too, but listening to Nick Hunter Hill,

2668
02:01:09,240 --> 02:01:11,240
Speaker 2: I am a little bit concerned about the fact that

2669
02:01:11,320 --> 02:01:14,920
Speaker 2: the Saints probably have more offensive firepower that they just

2670
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:18,000
Speaker 2: haven't really been using correctly. So I hope they don't.

2671
02:01:18,120 --> 02:01:20,000
Speaker 2: Hope this isn't the week that they figure it out.

2672
02:01:20,520 --> 02:01:24,440
Speaker 2: But that's gonna do it here. Thanks for listening, Thanks

2673
02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:27,840
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2674
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2676
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2677
02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:41,920
Speaker 2: talk about this game against the Saints, and then pack

2678
02:01:42,040 --> 02:01:47,600
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2679
02:01:47,640 --> 02:01:49,800
Speaker 2: This is the fourth time I will be in Las

2680
02:01:49,920 --> 02:01:52,400
Speaker 2: Vegas in the calendar year, and for most men that's like,

2681
02:01:52,560 --> 02:01:55,040
Speaker 2: hell yeah, let's go to Vegas. For me, I am

2682
02:01:55,120 --> 02:01:57,360
Speaker 2: done with the desert, but I'll be there next week,

2683
02:01:57,440 --> 02:02:00,840
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2684
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:02,280
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