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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Giants Huddle. Get Him Huddle in New

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Speaker 1: York Giants podcast. Welcome to episode three of The Giants Huddle.

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Speaker 1: My name is John Schmilk. It's your brand new Giants podcast.

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Speaker 1: We've already heard from Peter Schrager and former Giants wide

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Speaker 1: receiver and Ring of Honor member a Monti Tumor. This

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Speaker 1: week we're talking to former Giants linebacker and current color

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Speaker 1: analyst on the radio that is the one only Carl Banks. Carl,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. How are you welcome? And thank

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Speaker 1: you for having me on the podcast? Is it is?

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Speaker 1: And we're happy to have you with us. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of a trying to take a different look at former

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Speaker 1: and current Giants on and off the field and try

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Speaker 1: to get their perspective on things. We don't really have

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Speaker 1: a chance to talk about what we're doing our normal

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Speaker 1: programming around games and breaking down players and and things

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Speaker 1: like that. So why don't we start here, Carl. We're

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Speaker 1: right in the middle of draft season right uh. People

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Speaker 1: are getting ready to figure out who everyone's gonna select,

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Speaker 1: and players are going through the final set of pro

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Speaker 1: days around the league getting ready to come in. When

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Speaker 1: you were coming from Michigan State to the NFL. How

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Speaker 1: when you're laughing already, how much different was the process

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Speaker 1: then than what these guys are dealing with now from

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Speaker 1: combine the Pro Day, Senior Bowl, all that stuff, Carl Who, Uh,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty much like I watched the draft. I didn't

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Speaker 1: watch the draft. I listened to it in my coach's office. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is the number three pick in the draft. Actually,

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Speaker 1: the first guy taken on draft day. And I don't

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Speaker 1: even know if they had, uh New York City where

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Speaker 1: the draftees or prospective first rounders would be in. What

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Speaker 1: do you mean the first guy picked on draft that

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Speaker 1: had they announced to the other picks, we're going to

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Speaker 1: be already. Yeah, Dean Stein Keeler and Urban Fire they

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Speaker 1: signed earlier or whatever. So the first guy off the

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Speaker 1: board on draft day was me, the first name called. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I said in my coach's office, and we watched it

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Speaker 1: and listened to it, and um, I got a call

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Speaker 1: from Bill Parcel. So now it is quite a and

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Speaker 1: I think it's a good thing too. Quite a show.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a show. You get the players, they get

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Speaker 1: to come in, and I think they probably took a

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Speaker 1: page from the Heisman um ceremonies because you know, you

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Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy deal and it became such a thing and

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Speaker 1: it became a Heisman show. Now the draft is prime time.

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Speaker 1: You do you remember what the conversation with Parcels was like? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was probably ten words. He said, Hey, I drafted you. Congratulations.

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Speaker 1: I didn't draft you to sit you on the bench.

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Speaker 1: Se assume did you talk to the defensive porn in

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Speaker 1: or anything like that? Nothing until I got into Um,

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Speaker 1: the medal ends, I guess right at to the draft. Now,

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Speaker 1: heading up to the draft, did you have any idea

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Speaker 1: Combine and things like that. Um, I had no idea. UM,

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Speaker 1: up all the publications, you'd see a lot of names

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Speaker 1: Hunley's Jackie Ship. So you had Oklahoma, Arizona, Florida, wilvermar Show.

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Speaker 1: then there was me and UM. I had no idea.

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. In fact, Parcels tells the story that he

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Speaker 1: intentionally ignored me or when he watched me in drills.

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Speaker 1: He did it from afar because you know, a few

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Speaker 1: if he showed enough attention, other teams would be UM

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Speaker 1: would be interested. But the person who actually, I think

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Speaker 1: What was the biggest transition for you from from going

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Speaker 1: I think I just had to adjust to the speed

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Speaker 1: in a highly rated defense. Belichick was such a great teacher.

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Speaker 1: Our entire coaching staff, like Romeo Cornell, great teacher. Everything

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Speaker 1: How important is a culture in the locker room to

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Speaker 1: it's it's vital. I can tell you why, because culture

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Speaker 1: There was gonna always be a high level of the

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Speaker 1: of accountability. And Parcel said it from the day. He

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Speaker 1: and and you'll be my guys. And we all bought in.

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Speaker 1: And from that minute on he could coach us the

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Speaker 1: hard for him and it was a great relationship. But

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Speaker 1: But yeah, this is a lot of old Joe Gibbs.

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Speaker 1: Read option is read option. UM. There's no reason why

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Speaker 1: that the offensive team had no idea how to adjust.

429
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: There was no adjustment at all, and it was the

430
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: most simple adjustment, but nobody thought about it. They just

431
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 1: kept doing the same thing over and over. Right, if

432
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: they're moving late, then go with a hurry up offense.

433
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: Right now, you put the defense back on its heels.

434
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: I would have been and that would have gotten your

435
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: quarterback back in rhythm to right. But they were stuck on. Okay,

436
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: we don't have girly for this play or this series,

437
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: so we're gonna just you know, I'm gonna stand your here,

438
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what I see and we can

439
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: hell getting the huddle, get out, run, hurry up, and

440
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: let's see what the Patriots do. After that, you'll be

441
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: able to get a play over the top on them,

442
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, or they'll be They will have to

443
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: show you what they're doing and will know how to

444
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: um defend it. So it's the simple things, man. And

445
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: sometimes football is played between your ears. You can be

446
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: psyched out or you can be the one you know

447
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: that that's playing that game equally um against your opponents.

448
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: So UM. But yeah, I just think that the fundamentals

449
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: of this game have to return and you know that's

450
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,959
Speaker 1: gonna counterbalance some of the explosive offenses. And then you know,

451
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: some of the offenses that are not that good, you

452
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: can tell they don't spend a lot of time on

453
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: perfecting route running. UM. Players are not committed to getting

454
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: better without their coaches. UM. So it goes both ways.

455
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: Let's circle back. I know you're not want to have regrets,

456
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: and I'm not individually I'm talking now, but as a

457
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: team to that next Super Bowl? Do you lament sometimes

458
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: some missed opportunities by you guys to try to put

459
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: another Super Bowl trophy in the case. Eight nine was

460
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: a great opportunity for us, and we missed that the

461
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: strike year which I think we were poised to we

462
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: were poised to win a super Bowl and had we

463
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: not spotted the rest of the Division four uh four

464
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: games because those games weren't supposed to count, right with

465
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: the replace point. Yeah, and then I think Washington end

466
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: up winning the Super Bowl that year. UM. Eighty nine

467
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: another disappointing season which we thought we would be able

468
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: to go back then too, so UM. But nevertheless we

469
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: were you know, we were competitive. We were still a

470
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: top foot ball team. And then the Ray Handley are

471
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: how did it all come back together? And I need

472
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: to get it done because again we were a team

473
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: that a group of players, a core group that and

474
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: coaches that set standards to set the bar high. That

475
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: got piste off um by losing and we just didn't

476
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: like it and we had to do some things and

477
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: we had some more players to come in. And it's

478
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: a little different, I guess now because you have you know,

479
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: free agency where guys got to come in and impact

480
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: right away. But you still have a core, whether or

481
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: not they're starters or not, they've got to be part

482
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: of the culture. You know, they got to be the

483
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: constants in today's game, those core players, you know, the

484
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: zach Diosis of the world, or any guy that's been

485
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: on the roster two or three years. They've got to

486
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: be part of the core of of what you're doing

487
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: messaging wise. So but um, at that time, you know,

488
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: missing because again we just felt robbed eighty nine. We

489
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: thought we were ready and we were um, and that

490
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: was the most disappointing, probably the most disappointing year of

491
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: my entire career. Did you guys really know you were

492
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: better than the Rams? And next oh yeah, oh yeah,

493
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: and I just we just did not. I don't know

494
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: if we took them too lightly or they're just they

495
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: just stole some place. North Turner was the master of

496
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: stealing big plays during the course of games, and he

497
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: stole one on us, and hey, he went over the top.

498
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: They got it. But we we knew we were better

499
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: than them. We absolutely knew we were better than them.

500
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: And then ninety just from you from a personal standpoint,

501
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,959
Speaker 1: you played through a lot of pain and an injury

502
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: that year with your broken wrist, right, yeah, just talk

503
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: about how that whole thing came about. And I don't

504
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: think that's something that we would probably see in the day. Um.

505
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: So we're playing Dallas and I can't I don't even

506
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: remember what player was, but I was chasing in it

507
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: Smith and I dove and missed him, and I was

508
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: so angry. I think I came down on my wrist

509
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: and I got to the sideline and I looked at

510
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: it and I was trying to move it around and

511
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: it was just feeling weird. So I tore Ronnie Barnes

512
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: and just look, I need to get my wrist taped.

513
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: I think I sprained it and I need to go

514
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: back in. So he looked at it and then he

515
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: called the doctor over and and uh, Dr Warrens is, no,

516
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: you can't go back in the game. I'm like, what

517
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: do you mean. He's like, you gotta dislocate the risk

518
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: because a little bolt was sticking out the bones was

519
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: was you know, in the wrist, there's like a like

520
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: a puzzle of bones, so if something dislocates, it bulges,

521
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: and so he's like, no, um, it could impact your

522
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: entire hand. If you know you're doing it. So I

523
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: UM was out that game. I remember sitting in the

524
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: tunnel waiting for an X ray and I was still

525
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: waiting and Jimmy Johnson came up to me and told me,

526
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: you know how much you respected me, and what the

527
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: hell of a player I was. I felt great, UM,

528
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: but I was just like so disappointed. And so we

529
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: go from that two. Okay, we can get your risks

530
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: the bones to reset. So I went into hospital for

531
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: special surgery that night and I was in Chinese finger

532
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: traps for about an hour until all the bones reset.

533
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: Then they put percutaneous pins in and then they put

534
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: a cast on it. And that cast was supposed to

535
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: be off in like a week and I would be

536
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: good to go. And somehow, UM things got infected and

537
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: I ended up having to play the tough pain in

538
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: the Washington game and go in for a reconstructive surgery

539
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: as soon as I got off the plane. So UM,

540
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: the surgery went as good as it could ever go.

541
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: Andrew Whyland was the top hand specialist in UM and

542
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was in the world, but

543
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: especially in America. They got him from Hopkins. He came down,

544
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: did the surgery. We talked. He said, listen, you're probably

545
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: gonna miss the rest of the year. Um, and yeah,

546
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: he said, depending on um, you know how you rehab,

547
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: it could take even another year. These He's like, I've

548
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: seen people, you know, these things can take a year

549
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: or two to really get get back from. And I

550
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,719
Speaker 1: was just like, I don't even have that long a right,

551
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: you know. So, UM, I just said, listen, once it's time,

552
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: I'm you tell me it's time to rehab. I'm going

553
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: to try to be as aggressive as I can to

554
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: get back in So six eight weeks or something like that,

555
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: I started rehabbing and my goal was to get back

556
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: for the playoffs. So that was about four months, five months,

557
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: and um, so they cleared me for practice after I

558
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: think four months, but it was in a cast and

559
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: I just was aggressively, um, working out my risk you know,

560
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: after practice before when I went home, and UM, I

561
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: end up making it back into the the back into

562
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: the lineup the last week of the season, throughout the

563
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: playoffs and then the Super Bowl. Doesn't bother you. And

564
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: I know you're not a guy that worries about individual awards,

565
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: and you're in the Giants Ring of Honor, which which

566
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,479
Speaker 1: is a great honor. And you're one of the top

567
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: linebackers on the old eighties team as well that the

568
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: NFL announced. But when people talk about the great linebackers,

569
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: I don't understand why. But a lot of times people

570
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: don't bring up Carl Banks. Do you think that's because

571
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: you don't have the sacks of raw numbers and and

572
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: does that bother you at all? Nah? I, I honestly

573
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: I don't even think about it that much when people

574
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: talk about the Hall of Fame and if I was

575
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: that guy, UM, I would hire Pro Football Focus, No, seriously,

576
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: I would hire them to um really chart my dominance,

577
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: UM and you know, just to just to show exactly

578
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: how good I was. And you know a lot of

579
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: areas on the football field, uh, you know, passes against,

580
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: runs against, and things like that. People would be shocked

581
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: because it's not I. I did something that not a

582
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: lot of people did or have done since. But it's

583
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: just I just wasn't that guy, because you know, I

584
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: kind of got over it when I was constantly um

585
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: overlooked for the Pro Bowl and people were saying, well,

586
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: you know, you can't have you know, three linebackers from

587
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: the same team when they constantly voted somebody else's three

588
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: linebackers in so um, yeah, but they were great players.

589
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: But I just it just never never bothered me. And

590
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: you know, when you are on a on a team

591
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: with Lawrence Taylor and Harry Carson and you're playing at

592
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: a level that's acceptable to them, then you know you

593
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: pretty much get all the validation you need. And so

594
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: I just never really worried about it. And even to

595
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: this day, Um, when my name is not mentioned among

596
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 1: the best linebackers, it still doesn't bother me because those

597
00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: who played the game, or anybody that competed against they knew.

598
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: Or anybody that coached against me, um they knew. So

599
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: it just really didn't matter to me. You know, Monty

600
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: Tumor was on last week call and he said the

601
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: thing he's most proud of, not even the Super Bowl.

602
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 1: He's proud of having his name that ring of honor

603
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: because he said, the people that knew him best and

604
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: knew him his whole career knew exactly the type of

605
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: god just player, but personally was how we represented the

606
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: organization and that's what got him up there. How important

607
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: is being in that ring of honor to you all?

608
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: It's the ultimate that is, you know, in essence your

609
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: or my hall of Fame. I mean I would be um,

610
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: probably not I mean being in the Hall of Fame

611
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: as being hall of fame, but being in that ring

612
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: of ring of honor. And it's a special place within

613
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: your organization's history that tells you, um, how highly you

614
00:37:54,200 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: were thought of by the way that you represented the organization. UM.

615
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: And as a player, you know the impact that you had,

616
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: and so I am thrilled, UM. And it's as important

617
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: to me as if I were in the Hall of Fame.

618
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the current team very quickly, Carl, and

619
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: let's start. You have a personal relationship with Pat Rumber

620
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: from your days in Michigan State. What was he like

621
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: in Michigan State and just how does the heart working guy?

622
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: You know, I only had him for a year, you know,

623
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit older, but um, I stayed around

624
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: the program every off season, so I got a chance

625
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: to see a lot of him and he was a friend. UM.

626
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: But he's a hard working guy, scrappy guy, very blue collar,

627
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: very focused because he was a bit undersized as a

628
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: linebacker and then as a center. But was you know,

629
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: it's a technician, but a tough you know, a really

630
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: tough guy. Um. So I'm not surprised at the type

631
00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: of program he's he's putting in place here. Um, what

632
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: type of program is that? Do you think? I think

633
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: him and gentlemen share similar values and the types of

634
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: players they want. Right, How do how do you think

635
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: their personalities reflect the type of roster trying to put together? Well,

636
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: they want, number one, they want good personnel, good personnel

637
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: that's coachable. Um. But they understand that there are certain

638
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: elements of the game that requires certain type of players.

639
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: They also know that it's a game that if you've

640
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: got a quarterback, um, you need to understand that he

641
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: is the most important position on the football field. They

642
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Speaker 1: also know that the quarterback position historically has the highest

643
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Speaker 1: rate of failure in terms of drafts. So if you

644
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Speaker 1: have one that you can look at in sale, okay,

645
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: and we can take Eli Manning out of this. Right,

646
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Speaker 1: Let's just say they drafted a guy who's the middle

647
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: of the road type of quarterback, right, and they said, Okay,

648
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: he can do certain things, but if we got an

649
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: offensive line we can play actually pass, he can do that, right,

650
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Speaker 1: which they did the second filesteral Lie. So, Um, we

651
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: know he can't take the top off of a defense,

652
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: but we've got two players that we get them the

653
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: ball in space. It's the same effect, right, But we

654
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: have to be able to protect him. So what do

655
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: we do. We got this quarterback, he can do some

656
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: things for us. We got to get an offensive line,

657
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: we gotta get that fixed. We gotta make sure we

658
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: have good pass catchers, and we got to be able

659
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: to diversify our passing game. It's simple, um, But when

660
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Speaker 1: you have a guy and I and I still believe

661
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: that Eli Manning is is at another level than mediocre,

662
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Um, But we're not under

663
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: any illusions. He's thirty eight. We know the end is

664
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: coming and they got to put a put a plan

665
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: in place. But if you're looking at a crop coming

666
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: out and you don't think they can help you right away,

667
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: why would you get rid of him? You can still

668
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: draft together. There's no rule that says because you draft

669
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: a guy, you gotta play him right away. That's that's nonsense. Um.

670
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: In this whole thing, Well, they missed an opportunity on

671
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Speaker 1: a quarterback last year because see Kwan Barkley is only

672
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: going to play for seven and a quarterback is for ten. Well,

673
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: what if your quarterback sucks for his first three years?

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00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: He plays ten, but he sucked for three and you

675
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: got seven right out the box. You know, this guy

676
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: hit the ground running and you can see his impact

677
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: on the game. So it's the logic is so twisted sometimes. Um.

678
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: And every one of those kids that were drafted last

679
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: year all didn't finish the season. They all had injuries.

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00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: Say Kwan Barkley finished the season. He finished the full season. UM.

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00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: But back to my point on ELI, if you have

682
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: you know what you have right, and you know that

683
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: there is some pretty high level productivity left in that quarterback.

684
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: And you're not under the illusion to thinking that, Hey,

685
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 1: you know he's not he's not the shiny young twentysomething

686
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 1: year old toy. But this is what we got, and

687
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: let's make sure we get the most out of this

688
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: before we move on. Even if we do plan it

689
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: this year, we need to make sure that this guy

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00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 1: gives us as our best chance. So let's make sure

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Speaker 1: that we give him the tools necessary for success, because

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Speaker 1: those same tools will be necessar serry for the next

693
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Speaker 1: guy's success too. With the way the NFL is changing.

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Speaker 1: A guy like Kyler Murray his stature and the way

695
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Speaker 1: he plays, can he succeed long term in the NFL

696
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Speaker 1: like a Russell Wilson has, or is Russell Wilson a

697
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: unique figurehead that you can't really compare somebody to. Well,

698
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's unique in that he's the only one in

699
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Speaker 1: this current era that's been able to do it. But

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Speaker 1: Steve Young, they're similar in stature, right. Michael Vick to

701
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Speaker 1: a large degree, not with the level of success, but

702
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: was able to play ten, eleven, twelve years. I believe um.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny you mentioned Steve Young. I was watching

704
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Speaker 1: Mike Holmgren's Football Life the other day and Steve Young

705
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Speaker 1: talked about how homegrown would yeah, why aren't you hitting

706
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: that guy over the middle, And Steve Young would literally say, coach,

707
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: I can't see him. And Steve Young had to teach

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Speaker 1: himself to throw blind based on throwing where the guy

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Speaker 1: should be open, based on the route. And to me,

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00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: that's a that's a real tough thing to figure out

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00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: as a quarterback, it is, And we don't know what

712
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Speaker 1: that it's gonna mean for Kyler Murray. Um, he should

713
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Speaker 1: probably spent a lot of time UM studying Drew Brees.

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Speaker 1: Um should probably spend some time studying UM Steve Young.

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Speaker 1: But you know, what it really comes down to is

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Speaker 1: system and how he can manipulate a system that's gonna

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Speaker 1: benefit him in his lack of stature, if you will,

718
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: meaning that he's gonna they're gonna move him some. It's

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Speaker 1: just it's impossible to think that he won't be moving

720
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Speaker 1: because he has the ability to. But he's got the

721
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: requisite skills as a quarterback to throw the football. How

722
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Speaker 1: does he take that and turn it to his advantage.

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Speaker 1: I think he can do that well. I hope to

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Speaker 1: see him do that UM to a higher level of

725
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Speaker 1: success than Lamar Jackson at this stage because Lamar Jackson

726
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: it's just that not just not that accomplished as a passer.

727
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Speaker 1: So their offense is designed for him to be more

728
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Speaker 1: of a a runner who can, you know, get the

729
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Speaker 1: ball out of his hands, whereas Murray's a guy who's

730
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Speaker 1: an accomplished passer, and they can do some things. But

731
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Speaker 1: he'll understand too once they start to do things to

732
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: benefit him, defenses will learn how to kind of choke

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Speaker 1: that off. Meaning r G three in what Kyle Shanahan

734
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: did with him early on. They gave him half to

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00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: feel to read well. Then when defenders started popping up

736
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Speaker 1: in that half of the field where all the receivers

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Speaker 1: are in, pressuring on the back side, it started to

738
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: you know, it started to wear on him a little bit. So, Um,

739
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna be able to He's gonna have to be

740
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Speaker 1: able to make some of those blind blind throws, but

741
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to be really good at what he

742
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: does with the system so that he can then manipulate

743
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Speaker 1: it so people can think he's gonna do something and

744
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: be able to make throws over or anticipation throws before

745
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: we hit the defense real quickly. On the offense, call Um,

746
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Speaker 1: you kind of talked about which how you picture this

747
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: offense looking this year? Play action, use the receivers, but

748
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Speaker 1: I think the end of last year gave a blueprint.

749
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Speaker 1: And how do you think this team consistently moves the

750
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Speaker 1: ball without number thirteen that true downfield deep throught that

751
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: teams have to commit to maybe sometimes three guys to

752
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: down the field. Well that's the difference. Um, Now you

753
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: can diversify your offense. You've got a tight end who's

754
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: now catching the football and can get behind most people.

755
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: Sterling Shepherd can get behind most people. Golden Tate is

756
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Speaker 1: a guy who is one of the best run after

757
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 1: catch guys too. So yeah, I mean it takes three,

758
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: sometimes four guys to replace the production of one. But

759
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: the benefit to that is there's more than one guy now,

760
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: so your quarterback doesn't have to, um, focus on getting

761
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: the ball to your best receiver who warranted Let's be honest,

762
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: but now the quarterback and say I have options available

763
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: to me and not just the one guy. Um, that's

764
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,479
Speaker 1: gonna be double and triple covered. Sometimes I can now

765
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: really go through reads without a a focus on you know,

766
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Speaker 1: just finding a little area to get the ball into

767
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: thirteen and he'll make a great play for us. Defensively,

768
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: Johnnys have twelve picks in the draft. I think we

769
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: all believe that a lot of those picks will be

770
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Speaker 1: dedicated to the defensive side of the balls. They try

771
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: to figure out what they're going to be. Where do

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Speaker 1: you think this defense needs to improve the most an

773
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: ad in order to take that next step. Next year

774
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: and James Betcher's second year, well, i think they've started. UM.

775
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: Two new safeties one kid who's extremely athletic. Young another

776
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: kid who's a high volume tackler, who's gonna help um

777
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: peppers mature pretty rapidly because the THEA has been a

778
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: highly productive player in the league for a long time,

779
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: high volume tackler. But what he can teach young peppers

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00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: based on his experience is going to be great. Um,

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00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: you need another cornerback, you need another bass rusher or two, um,

782
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Speaker 1: another linebacker, and you need some guys to really start

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00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: to And that's a lot what I just said. Yeah,

784
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: and you need guys to kind of grow. You know,

785
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: Lorenzo Carter has got great if he takes the next step,

786
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: you check that box. Now you got the two inside

787
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 1: guys and him, you know. Um, but it's a lot.

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00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: When you can name five or six areas that you

789
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: got to improve out of eleven, it kind of tells

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00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: you exactly why you're where you are, you know. And no,

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00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: I always when I think about Olivier Vernon's tenure here,

792
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: he was a victim of circumstance as much as he was,

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00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: you know, impacted by injuries and his lack of production.

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00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,439
Speaker 1: When I say victim of circumstance, he was the guy

795
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: who was always almost there. Right. The reason he was

796
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: always almost there is because there was nobody on the

797
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: other side that can either flush a quarterback or get

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00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: him to step up um to compliment him, or they

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00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: couldn't cover long enough in the back end and correct.

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00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: So I mean, he was just a good player on

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00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: a bad defense who couldn't make a difference. And that

802
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: happens quite a bit, um because if he can get close,

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00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: then somebody else should be getting sacks, you know, and

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00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: that's that didn't happen. Or if somebody else getting close,

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00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: he's right there to getting a sack, And so it's unfortunate.

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00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: But they're gonna have to get too good ad dressers too,

807
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: and guys who can blitz. Now, Carl, you've been as

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00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: big as a success off the field since you retired

809
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: as you were on. Just tell everybody how you got

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00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: into the fashion business, what you're doing now, and just

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00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: kind of what what drives you every day, because I

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00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: see you come here, you're doing broadcasts, if you're on

813
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: the phone, you're making deals, you're doing a little bit

814
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: everything all at the same time. Just kind of how

815
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: you evolved into this, what you've become off the field. Well,

816
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 1: I I started my company G three Sports by Carl Banks,

817
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: um my second year in the NFL. Really yeah, and um,

818
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: I saw an opportunity to make big and tall clothing

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Speaker 1: and uh I started doing some outwhere. Um at the time,

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00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: I was wearing the Starter brand. They were the online

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00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: I mean online on field Um there was no online

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00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: back at an they were the on field supplier. And

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00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: I fell in love with that brand, and I became

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00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: one of their spokespeople, and um we fast forward to

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00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: today it's it's one of the brands in my portfolio now. Um.

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Speaker 1: We do all major sports and colleges. Uh, everything from

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Speaker 1: swimwear to jackets, T shirts, sweatsuits, um, every sport, every team,

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Speaker 1: about a hundred and fifty colleges I do, and we

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Speaker 1: do ladies. I also do a list of Milano's collection,

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00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: I do Jimmy Fallon's collection. Um what else do we do? Uh?

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00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: I think that's h And we were the on field

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00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: um uniform supplier for the a F that's now defunct,

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00:51:54,360 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: but hopefully they can get some things worked out. Well. Yeah,

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00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: this is a guy who's uh a little self sufficient,

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00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: though he does a lot of his own products, so

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Speaker 1: he's a great model too to watch two. If you're

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00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, I've studied its quite a bit. Um. Yeah,

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00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: So you know, those are some of the few projects

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00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: I have going on to keep me busy. And um,

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00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: what drives me is the same thing that drove me

841
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: as a football player, you know, success and um, sustainable success,

842
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: good fundamentals for um building a business or dealing with adversity.

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00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: And you know that's what I take into my business.

844
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Speaker 1: You know, I always, you know, every every once in

845
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: a while I dropped Bill Belichick a note and thank

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00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: him for um, you know, instilling some of the principles

847
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: of of of sound fundamentals because I applied them, you know.

848
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: And what I do now and I think your biggest

849
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: accomplishment is putting up with Bob Papa, myself and Lance

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00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: Meadow and you know, Dave Bettencourt and all the guys

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00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: radio broadcast team. And it's not exactly putting up with

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00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: you know, um wells as Bob. We'll tell you he

853
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: got me really going in this business. We've been We've

854
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: known each other for a very long time. He actually

855
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: got me to do uh a boxing match with him once.

856
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: So UM, the level of comfort that we have with

857
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: each other. Um, is something I'm very grateful for because

858
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, we've known each other and worked together for

859
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: so long, and he's been a very big advocate, and

860
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: he gives me great feedback. Um. And as for the

861
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: rest of you guys, you know, as long as you

862
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: don't spilled chili in the binoculars, we're gonna be okay.

863
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: We'll try to avoid that. Cal You know, when we're

864
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: in the booth and we're looking out and I need

865
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: the binoculars and I go to put them up and

866
00:53:54,040 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: there's chili in it. Uh, inside joke, folks, It's funny, Um.

867
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: But no, I I enjoyed the team period. Man. I

868
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: think that's what what makes us one of the best

869
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: broadcast teams in the sport is that, you know, we

870
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: bring a level of passion to what we do, but

871
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: we also bring a level of reality. Um, that we

872
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: know that the fans need honesty, and especially when it

873
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: comes to a radio broadcast, were the eyes to their ears,

874
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: and if we can't explain to them what's going on

875
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: from play to play, then we're cheating them, you know. Um.

876
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: And a great credit by the way to want to

877
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: be honest and fair. Yeah. I mean, and it's it's fine.

878
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: We can be fair and we can be honest without

879
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: being personal, you know, um. But I think our fans

880
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: deserve that, and you know, and then here's just one

881
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: more thing, you know, for the fan base. I get

882
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: it that you're piste off right now, and you should be.

883
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I Um, if the team

884
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: hasn't given you any reason to be optimistic, it's okay,

885
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, um. And I think going back to when

886
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: I played, Harry Carson used to all because he spent

887
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: time during an era like this as a player, and

888
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: he used to come in the huddle and he used

889
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: to say, you hear that they're booing our assets. You

890
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: know why, because we ain't doing nothing to keep them happy.

891
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 1: We're not giving them anything to cheer about. So it's okay, um.

892
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: And it's up to the team to give the fans

893
00:55:55,040 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: the reason to be enthusiastic. And I believe sincerely that

894
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: they have a plan. I believe in the people that's

895
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:08,919
Speaker 1: putting that plan in place. But for fans, you don't

896
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: have that luxury. So it's about showing proof. So I

897
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: get it, um, But you've got one or two choices

898
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: hanging there or stop watching, you know. And for the giants,

899
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure they want you to hang in there. Better

900
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: days are coming sooner than later. But I get it, man,

901
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: You go through it enough times and you kind of

902
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 1: get jaded about decisions. You you question every decision. You

903
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: you look at every move as you know something idiotic,

904
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: or you say, ah, you know they're just doing this

905
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: because you know it's just some wild theory. But that's

906
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: what losing continuously breeds. So you gotta be back to

907
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: the winning ways. That's the responsibility of the players and

908
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: ultimately the organization. That's why Dave Gentleman may changes in

909
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: his personnel staff. Right. He didn't come out and tell

910
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: you on how athletic a guy projects and that he

911
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: could be the next this. He's going to tell you

912
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: what it is, and if it isn't, he moves on

913
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: from it. He doesn't extend scholarships two guys so that

914
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: you don't he doesn't look bad in the process. He

915
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: admits it. He moves on. Yeah. Yeah, many many organizations

916
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: do it instead of just having a guy as a

917
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: symbol of ineptitude, just constantly hanging around and hoping fans

918
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: forget he's on the roster when you actually drafted him

919
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: to be the next offensive lineman since you know Sean

920
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: O'Hara and Dave Dial left and guys just kind of

921
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: hanging around and never makes it to the football field.

922
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: So um M, that's you know where you are right now?

923
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: You gotta have some confidence. You want a cookie, um,

924
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: but it's it's you. You gotta have UH management team

925
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: and personnel team that hold themselves in terms of evaluation

926
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: at a very high standard. They you're not afforded the

927
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: luxury of projecting beyond what you see on film. Now,

928
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: if you see something good on film, you can project upside.

929
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: If you don't see it, don't project it's ever gonna come.

930
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: Not in today's NFL. You don't practice enough. Coaches don't

931
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: spend enough time with players. So if that player doesn't

932
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: come with some tools in his toolbox, you can pretty

933
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: much rest assured that he ain't gonna develop a certain

934
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: level and then he's just going to be the guy

935
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: that almost got there and that you've got people wishing

936
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: UH for more from. And you know, you look at

937
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: Eric Flowers was a top ten pick um. The bad

938
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: habits he had in college, they continued never got better.

939
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: His athleticism stayed the same, but it never it never

940
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: materialized into um a complete player as opposed to a

941
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: guy like Orlando Pace who was a dominant player in college.

942
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,439
Speaker 1: And I don't know where Pace wasn't the second pick

943
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: was he was? He the number one. But when you're

944
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: picking top five to ten, you gotta know that that

945
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: guy brings something to the table. If he doesn't, then

946
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: don't waste that pick on a guy like that, projecting

947
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: that he's going to be something else. I mean, and

948
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: that's that's very high. But where he's now in the

949
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. But when you get an offensive lineman

950
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: in the top ten, you better rest sure that he's

951
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: going to be pretty darn good. And if not, then

952
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: maybe he get him in the second round. You're not

953
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: wasting draft capital on them. But and this is the

954
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: final thing, Carl, because I think you made a great point,

955
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: and I think fancy a lot of losing that's happened

956
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: since since the last Super Bowl, right, and I think

957
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: people see it as a straight line. But there's been

958
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: two coaching changes just only a year and change ago.

959
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: Did they change the general manager. He completely changed the

960
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: structure of the front office, and I know people like

961
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: what Dave Gottman was here before, it's just a continuation.

962
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: It's not. There's been a lot of changes here in

963
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: the last year plus. And I think there should be

964
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: some level of patients to let Dave Gentleman and Patch

965
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: Charmer put together what they want because it can't be

966
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: done overnight, right And Um, if you go back to

967
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: the Giants first Super Bowl, it was Dave Gentleman behind

968
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: the scenes constructing that. He was the propersonal director. So

969
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: the one they lost, I said, the first first of

970
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: all post it's which was the third Super Bowl. Um,

971
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: the changes he made there to get that team into

972
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, getting Carrie Collins, some more offensive lineman, Um,

973
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: that was Dave Gentleman. So yeah, he's been here before.

974
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: And yeah he was part of constructing at Antonio Pierce

975
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: edit Sam Madison. I mean those are big time players

976
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: on that team, and then the second one and trow Role,

977
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: Chris Canty, Michael Bowlie, those are big important pieces. Yeah,

978
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: that's that's Dave Gentleman. So when you say he's been

979
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: here before, he's not part of the same old, newer regime.

980
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: He's part of a winning regime. He understands that he

981
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: gets it. And but again, you know we can, we

982
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: can encourage fans. Two were blew in the face. But

983
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: you know, results are whatdn't matter to a fan base.

984
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: And you know you can preach patients and I think

985
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: deep down most of them are because they still show

986
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: up to complain, you know what I mean. So I'm

987
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: sure they chew up the cheer as well. Carl. It's

988
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: a perfect place to end it. We appreciate it. Appreciate

989
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: Carl Banks. Make sure you go to your favorite podcast platform.

990
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: You can download The Giants Huddle, the brand new Giants podcast.

991
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: You can also listen to it on giants dot com.

992
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: For Carl Banks, I'm John Schmilk. We'll see you next week. Everybody,

993
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: have a good one. Audios.