1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: Guess what, mango, what's that? Well, I'm gonna share a 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: fact that you didn't know was coming your way. So 3 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: did you know that Truman Capodi loved paper weights? That 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: is so strange, I know, but apparently he was a 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: huge fan of them. So I feel like paper weights 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: are one of those things that you only had because 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: your kid made it for you for Christmas. Likely they 8 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: glued some feathers and a pipe cleaner to a rock 9 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: and now you can't throw it away. Yes, I got 10 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: one of those sitting right here, But I don't think 11 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: I've ever bought a paperweight. If you it's not like 12 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: I live in a windy house, right anything. Yeah, I 13 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: can't say that I've ever saved up to buy a paperway, 14 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: But apparently there's quite a market for them, and Capodi 15 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: had an amazing eye for them. According to the Paris Review, 16 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: he went to the auctions in Europe and Asia just 17 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: to see these things, and he'd check out thrift shops 18 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: and even buy them for like twenty bucks and they 19 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: turned out to be worth like four thousand dollars and 20 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: four thousand dollar paperweight. This isn't something I made up. 21 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: He really did this stuff. But I mean, like, unless 22 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: you're using a diamond for a paperweight, I really don't 23 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: see how it could be worth that much. I don't know, 24 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: but he loved them, and Capodi actually had one in 25 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: his collection that was from Italy, a Mili Fiori and 26 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: it was worth seven thousand dis Apparently he called paper 27 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: weights a quote fragment of a dream. But after finding 28 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: that story, I thought we should do today's nine Things 29 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: on office supply, So let's dig in. Hey, their podcast listeners, 30 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: welcome to part time Genius. I'm Will Pearson and as 31 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: always I'm joined by my good friend man guest shot 32 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: Ticketer and the other side of that soundproof glass shuffling 33 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: folders around in his Lamborghini trapper that day, and that's 34 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: our pal and producer Ston McNeil. I know we love 35 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: our office here at how stuff works. And actually I've 36 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: seen you bring your kids in a few times and 37 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: do they love coming into the office here? Of course, 38 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: I mean they think it's such a treat. I don't 39 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: know if you do, but I I used to go 40 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: to my dad's office and this is when he worked 41 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: at the Experimental Station at DuPont, which was their big 42 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: research facility and I remember thinking it was just so exotic, right, 43 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: like it was the secret world he'd go to do 44 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: important things. And when I was there, I get to 45 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: peek into his lab set up that he had near 46 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: his desk. It was super cool. I mean, my kids 47 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: just like coming to the office here because Tamika and 48 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: Ember keep it stocked with candy and snacks. But actually, 49 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's from coming in. But my 50 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: my daughter is obsessed with having meetings with her friends now, 51 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: Like she just keeps talking about meetings. She's got to 52 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: go to a recess and meetings she's got with her 53 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: friends after school. And I think it's because I'm always 54 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: rushing off to meetings and and so what does she 55 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: do with these meetings? Mostly she just comes in and 56 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: a hoff and says, oh, honor, and I had to 57 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: cancel our meeting today. It's so annoying. And you'll be 58 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: like why and she'll say, you know, a monster attack. 59 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: That sounds pretty accurate. And that's kind of what happens 60 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: with us. Well, we we started the show off talking 61 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: about paper weight, So so where do you want to 62 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 1: go from their mango? I think I'm gonna start with pencils. 63 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: So do you remember the sudoku trend from like a 64 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: decade or so ago. Yeah, it was everywhere. And actually 65 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: this is a short aside, but I remember one of 66 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: our editors, that our book publisher. She was telling us 67 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: how it was her job to edit sudoku and that 68 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: there was basically no difference between them. You could get 69 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: them an easy, medium or hard, but yeah, that there's 70 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: no personality to the things. So her job was to 71 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: come up with different book covers and so she turned 72 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: them into like a salsa jar cover or have them 73 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: say like mild, medium or spicy and like that, which 74 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure gets like challenging after a while, right, Like 75 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: how many categories can you come up with? But here's 76 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: what I wanted to say about pencils. So, after sudoku 77 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: took off in England, the Chicago Tribute in report that 78 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: pencil sales in the country went up seven hundred percent. 79 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: Isn't that insane? That is? Yeah, But there's also a 80 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: bonus pencil fact I have here. Part of the reason 81 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: that NASA uses pens in space is because sharpening pencil 82 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: sends all these wooden flakes into the air. I mean, 83 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: that's pretty obvious, but first, they switched to mechanical pencils 84 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: before they made the move to pens, and this was 85 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: in nineteen five. NASA ordered thirty or so mechanical pencils 86 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: from a company and paid about a hundred thirty dollars 87 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: for each one, and there was actually so much outrage 88 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: from the public about spending that much money on pencils 89 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: that they switched to pens, which of course means astronauts 90 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: have to be extra careful when they do their sudoku 91 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: in space. I mean, that is crazy. But all right, well, 92 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: speaking of mistakes, did you know what they used to 93 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: use before rubber erasers? Apparently they used wheat red and 94 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: and and it had to be wheat I think, not 95 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: rye or pumpernickel. And anyway, this comes from mental flaws. 96 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: But in seventeen seventy, a guy named Edward name was 97 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: writing and made an error, so he reached for his 98 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: leftover wheat loaf, I guess, and he accidentally grabbed a 99 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: piece of rubber and started a racing and was delighted 100 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: when he realized it performed even better than the wheat bread. 101 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: That sounds like a terrible life hack, right, Like, we're 102 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: on the race around your pencils. Just stuff some bread 103 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: and there instead. Doesn't it seem like the pencil markings 104 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: would just get all smudgy, Like I can't imagine it 105 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: works that well. Well, we'll have to try this one 106 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: out later, all right, So what's your next one? Well, 107 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: how about we move on to the stapler. So if 108 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: you loved the classic movie Office Space, you probably remember 109 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: the character Milton and his red swing Line stapler that 110 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: he was obsessed with. So you know, after the movie 111 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: came out, it bombed in theaters, but it did well 112 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: on DVD, and Swing Line started getting tons of calls 113 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: for their red stapler. The only problem was Swing Line 114 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: never actually made a red stapler. The one in the 115 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: movie had been custom painted by a prop designer I 116 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: guess to make it pop off the screen or whatever. 117 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: So people actually made a business of it. They started 118 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: d I wining it, they spray painted their own, and 119 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: suddenly there was this hot market on eBay for it, 120 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: and eventually, like swing Line, wise and up and at 121 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: least a quote rio red version to quality demand. I 122 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: love that people can get attached enough to a concept 123 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: in a movie that they like need a red staplers 124 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: such a weird thing. All right, Well, here's a quick 125 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: one about a post it notes. There's of course a 126 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: well known origin story where scientists created a very weak 127 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: glue that no one knew how to use, and eventually 128 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: he used it for temporary bookmarks and his hymnal and 129 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: it kind of took off from there. What's interesting is 130 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: that for something so temporary, they actually have quite a 131 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: bit of sticking power. So post it note actually survived 132 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: on a trip from Vegas to Minneapolis on the nose 133 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: of a jet. It was put there as a reminder 134 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: for the Vegas ground crew, but it clung on through 135 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: five hundred mile per hour speeds and minus fifty six 136 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: degree temperatures. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, I mean it's like 137 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: the little post it that could definitely was. But all right, 138 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: so where do you want to take it from here? 139 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: So I've actually got a great story that Christopher told 140 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: me about, and it's about the highlighter. And you know 141 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,239 Speaker 1: how they always come in these fat and flat shapes, 142 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: So this is something I've never thought about. But the 143 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: story is really funny. So apparently this guy, Gunter Schwanhauser 144 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: for from the Schwan pencil factory. You know the schwan 145 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: pencil factory, right of pencil factory. Well, you've seen a 146 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: highlighter in the US in this nineties seventies, and he 147 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: wanted to release his own version back in Germany. So 148 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: he had his technicians and designers bring him a bunch 149 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: of these like clay prototypes for some reason. But when 150 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: he saw them, he was completely irritated, like none of 151 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: them had the right ergonomic field or something, and it 152 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: didn't feel right in his hand. So in his anger, 153 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: he slammed his fist down on the clay models and 154 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: when he looked at the flattened shaped he was like, 155 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: this is genius, Like that's the shape that feels good 156 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: in your hand, and uh, I mean, I just think 157 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: that's so cool. But he also called the product the 158 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: boss because busses don't write things, they just point out 159 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: important things that other people right, And I imagine a 160 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: guy named Gunter schwan Hauser would would slam his fist 161 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: down every once in a while. Definitely. Well here's something 162 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: neither of us are fancy enough to own, and that's 163 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollar business cards for one card, or for 164 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: like a set of them, apparently one card. So this 165 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: is from two thousand twelve where a company called Black 166 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: Ask from in England started making a card of Swiss 167 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: metal construction and more than thirty carrots of diamonds were 168 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: in each card. I mean, if I got handed one 169 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: of those, I just think you're really bad at business. Yeah, 170 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: someone must be buying the custom handcrafted cards are sold 171 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: in packs of twenty, three, fifty or one hundred, and 172 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: just because you're wealthy doesn't mean you can purchase them. 173 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: They're only obtainable through an exclusive invite. I love that 174 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: sort of pomposity, like you have to be invited to 175 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: throw away your money. Here's right, right. I know we've 176 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: got a couple more facts to share before we declare winner. 177 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: But let's take a quick break for Welcome back to 178 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: Part time Genius, and we're talking facts about office supplies. Now, Mango, 179 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: it's your last fact, So what do you want to 180 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: talk about. I want to talk about cubicles, which are 181 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: always a touchy subject, and they were touching at our 182 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: last office. And I'm sure you remember this, like some 183 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: people love them, some people felt closed off from all 184 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: the conversations around them, and and you know, we kept 185 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: experimenting with the office design, like we had big cubes 186 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: and then these more open office spaces. But but did 187 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: you realize that cubicles were actually designed to free office 188 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: workers from their uninspired workplace settings. Yeah, this is another 189 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: thing Christopher told me. But the things were originally called 190 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: the action office and was meant to free workers from 191 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: the tyranny of those classroom style offices that you see 192 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: in old movies where like all these deaths are in 193 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: the big hall face the same way. But the designer, 194 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: who's named Robert Probst, he designed them in the sixties 195 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: and actually hated how they were used in the eighties 196 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: and nineties. And and this is how he put it. 197 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: The dark side of this is that not all organizations 198 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: are intelligent. Lots are run by crass people who can 199 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: take the same kind of equipment and create hell holes. 200 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: They make little bitty cubicles and stuff people in these 201 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: barren rat hole places. Wow, he was not a fan. 202 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: You know. I always love that book from Quirk about 203 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: how to wallpaper your cubicle and make it like tiki themed, 204 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: or how to design it so it was like your 205 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: cabin in the woods or something like that. I know, 206 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: it's so great, So well, what's your last fact? All right, So, 207 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: just like cubicles and open offices, another thing that goes 208 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: in and out of fads seems to be desk chairs 209 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: and and right now, standing desk are obviously super popular. 210 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: We can just look around in the office here and 211 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: see so many people using them. I know, I feel 212 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: like it made this like progression right from like these 213 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: super ergonomic chairs to yoga balls for a while, suddenly 214 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: like everyone was bouncing on yoga poulse and now all 215 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: of a sudden everyone is standing. Oh that's right. But 216 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: apparently none of this is new. The ministers have been 217 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: preaching standing desk since at least seventeen nineties seven, when 218 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: this Presbyterian minister his name was job Orton, he was 219 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: telling people that a sedentary life was dangerous and he 220 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: claimed that quote, it must be your resolute care to 221 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: keep your body upright as possible, never stoop your head 222 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: or bend your breast. To prevent this, you should get 223 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: a standing desk. That's crazy that he used this exactly where. 224 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: It's like he kind of should have trademark them, right. Yeah, 225 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: And another minister in eighteen thirty six, this guy was 226 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: named Ebeny's reporter claimed that the standing desk is good 227 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: for those quote who have the animal vigor to sustain 228 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: the exhaustion and occasions. Animal vigor, you know, that's what 229 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: it takes. But if you're on the fence about using 230 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: a standing desk, you should know there are some historical 231 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: figures who were early adopters. Thomas Jefferson used what he 232 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: called a tall desk to draw blueprints, and Winston Churchill 233 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: also used the standing desk to lay out galley proofs. 234 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: I mean, Churchill also used to spend half his day 235 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: naked in a bathtub, like drinking straight in martiniz. So 236 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: that's how. I'm not sure I need to follow his model, 237 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: but I do like knowing that this trend has come 238 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: full circle. And since you've changed my mind on standing this, 239 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: I want you to take home today's trophy and use 240 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: it as a paperweight. All right, Well, thanks so much, 241 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: and that's it for today's episode. We will be back 242 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: with a full length episode tomorrow. Thanks so much for listening.