WEBVTT - Instagram Gets Big

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from half

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<v Speaker 1>stuff works dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer here

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<v Speaker 1>at hell Stuff Works in a love all things tech.

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<v Speaker 1>And in that last episode about the birth of Instagram,

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<v Speaker 1>I described how Kevin Systrom and Mike Krieger built the

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<v Speaker 1>app by paring down an earlier idea for a related app.

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<v Speaker 1>I left off right around two thousand twelve, after the

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<v Speaker 1>company had a successful second round of funding for seven

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars in early and saw its number of users

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<v Speaker 1>steadily increase, even though the app was only available for

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<v Speaker 1>iOS at the time. By the end of two thousand eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>celebrities were in on the game, with folks like Justin

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<v Speaker 1>Bieber giving the service a huge boost by making their

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<v Speaker 1>own accounts and sharing their photos with their baby Baby Baby.

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<v Speaker 1>In January two thousand and twelve, Instagram made another higher.

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<v Speaker 1>Philip McAllister joined the company as an engineer. He had

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<v Speaker 1>previously worked for go Wala, which was a location based

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<v Speaker 1>social network that got gobbled up by Facebook. And March

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<v Speaker 1>two more employees joined the company. They were Ryan Gamba,

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<v Speaker 1>a developer who had founded a business called app That,

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<v Speaker 1>and Bailey Richardson, a Stanford graduate and community manager who

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<v Speaker 1>had previously worked for you Gallery. I mentioned these hires

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<v Speaker 1>only to point out that Instagram at this phase was

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<v Speaker 1>still a very small company, despite having a massive installed base.

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<v Speaker 1>So you had millions of people using the app, but

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<v Speaker 1>less than a dozen people actually working for the company,

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<v Speaker 1>and that base got larger in early April of twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>when Instagram finally launched on Android, you needed a device

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<v Speaker 1>that was capable of running at least Android two point two,

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<v Speaker 1>also known as Froyo. It taken about a year and

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<v Speaker 1>a half to bring the app over to Google's mobile

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<v Speaker 1>operating system, and clearly Android users were eager for that app.

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<v Speaker 1>More than a million people downloaded the app in the

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<v Speaker 1>first twenty four hours. Instagram would hit fifty million active

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<v Speaker 1>users in early April, which was a huge jump since

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<v Speaker 1>it had only hit ten million the previous September. It's

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<v Speaker 1>meteoric rise helped the company hold a successful funding round,

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<v Speaker 1>raising fifty million dollars in investments in the process, which

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<v Speaker 1>means that's a dollar per active user, which is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>darn good, and it put the valuation of the company

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<v Speaker 1>at about five hundred million dollars. Investors included Sequoya Capital,

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<v Speaker 1>Thrive Capital, Benchmark, and Graylock. And then almost immediately after

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<v Speaker 1>that happened came the big news. Facebook had come knocking

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<v Speaker 1>and System answered the door. The news broke that Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>would acquire Instagram for the princely sum of one billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in a combination cash and stock deal. The timing

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<v Speaker 1>of both the funding round and the acquisition announcement meant

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<v Speaker 1>that it was very likely Instagram was in talks with

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<v Speaker 1>both groups at the same time. So what the heck

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<v Speaker 1>was going on here? Well, chances are Sistrom and company.

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<v Speaker 1>We're using the investment round as two things, a negotiation

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<v Speaker 1>tactic and a safety net. The fact that investors were

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<v Speaker 1>rushing to put more money into Instagram heightened the company's value,

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<v Speaker 1>which gave Instagram a better position when Facebook was looking

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<v Speaker 1>to acquire the company. Instagram could point at its recent

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<v Speaker 1>funding round as evidence of the company's worth and thus

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<v Speaker 1>demand a higher acquisition price, and the companies that had

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<v Speaker 1>just invested stood to see a return on those investment.

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<v Speaker 1>It's practically overnight if you and poured fifty million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>into a company and then that company sold for a

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars, you would stand to receive a really tidy

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<v Speaker 1>profit on your investment. And worst case scenario, if the

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<v Speaker 1>deal broke down and Facebook walked away, you still have

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<v Speaker 1>fifty million dollars of investment money to work with. At

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<v Speaker 1>the time of its acquisition, Kevin's Systram owned about forty

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the company, Mike Kreeger owned about ten percent,

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<v Speaker 1>and the rest was owned by their various investors. The

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<v Speaker 1>one billion dollar deal made them both multimillionaires overnight, at

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<v Speaker 1>least on paper, they were multimillionaires, with Systram being worth

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<v Speaker 1>about four million dollars, and there were just thirteen employees

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<v Speaker 1>at Instagram at the time of the acquisition, and that

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<v Speaker 1>includes the two founders, So it was a phenomenal deal. However,

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<v Speaker 1>that would not stop people from later saying Instagram made

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<v Speaker 1>the move too quickly. Now, before I get into that analysis,

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<v Speaker 1>win did Facebook one Instagram in the first place? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>for one thing, Facebook was heading toward its own initial

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<v Speaker 1>public offering or i p O. That's when a company

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<v Speaker 1>switches from being a privately held corporation into a publicly

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<v Speaker 1>traded one where you can end up trading stocks on

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<v Speaker 1>the market. And if an i p O goes well,

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<v Speaker 1>it earns a company a whole lot of cash, So

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<v Speaker 1>they become flush with cash they can suddenly do lots

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff with it, which typically can be used for

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<v Speaker 1>things like building out resources or acquiring other companies. But

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook had already found itself in a great position as

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<v Speaker 1>far as cash goes. Forbes estimated that due to private

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<v Speaker 1>share sales to Golden and Sacks, which happened in advance

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<v Speaker 1>of the i p O, Facebook had about four billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars burning a hole in its enormous corporate wallet. Making

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<v Speaker 1>a move like buying another company before Facebook had its

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<v Speaker 1>own i p O was a pretty baller move, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>For another thing, Facebook really wanted to get at Instagram's

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<v Speaker 1>reach with mobile users. Facebook was doing well on desktops

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<v Speaker 1>and laptops, but hatt't managed to be as successful in

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<v Speaker 1>the mobile world, and other entities like Google and Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>were eyeing Instagram to which created a sense of urgency

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<v Speaker 1>and Facebook needed to find ways to make sure it

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<v Speaker 1>would remain relevant as demographics and technology changed. Instagram has

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<v Speaker 1>always skewed younger with its demographics than other social platforms.

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<v Speaker 1>A Facebook as a platform started to age out it

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<v Speaker 1>needed the next big thing to help keep everything moving forward.

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<v Speaker 1>So why did some analysts later say Instagram made a

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<v Speaker 1>big mistake selling to Facebook in April In two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and fourteen, Business Insider ran a piece about this very question.

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<v Speaker 1>By that time, Instagram boasted two hundred million users that

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<v Speaker 1>put it on parallel with Twitter, which had already held

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<v Speaker 1>its own I p O and raised two billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>in the process, reaching a valuation of more than twenty

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars. And then Facebook went on to purchase the

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<v Speaker 1>messaging service WhatsApp, which was five hundred million users large,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's about two and a half times the size

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<v Speaker 1>of Instagram. But Facebook spent nineteen billion dollars on it

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<v Speaker 1>in the process, so way more than two and a

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<v Speaker 1>half times the amount it's it's spent on Instagram. So

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<v Speaker 1>some analysts have said that Instagram could have held out

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<v Speaker 1>a little longer, continued working under the investment money it

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<v Speaker 1>had raised in that fifty million dollar funding round, and

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<v Speaker 1>watched as its price tag ticked higher and higher. Systrom,

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<v Speaker 1>for his part, says that it is impossible to see

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<v Speaker 1>the future and that playing this game in hindsight is pointless. Rather,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, the acquisition enabled his team to work on

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<v Speaker 1>the project that they loved with an enormous amount of support,

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<v Speaker 1>and without that support, they may never hit that two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred million user mark, So it could have just been

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<v Speaker 1>a moot point, a moot question. When the acquisition became

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<v Speaker 1>public knowledge, Systrom and Zuckerberg both reassured people that Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>would continue as its own entity and not be swallowed

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<v Speaker 1>up into Facebook, incorporated into Facebook's features, and then later disappear,

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<v Speaker 1>And so far that has been the case. While Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>employees celebrate their windfall, the company continued to roll out features,

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<v Speaker 1>build a larger audience, and generally stay on target until

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<v Speaker 1>late when a corporate decision would backfire hard on Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>and cause the company to backpedal a bit. So what happened, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it all had to do with those pesky terms of

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<v Speaker 1>service that we all agree to but almost none of

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<v Speaker 1>us ever bother to actually read. I'll explain more in

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<v Speaker 1>just a moment, but first let's take a quick break

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<v Speaker 1>to thank our sponsor. In December, Instagram updated its terms

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<v Speaker 1>of service with the intent for the new policies to

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<v Speaker 1>take effects starting January. Among those updates was a sentence

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<v Speaker 1>that caused a bit of a ruckus, and the sentence

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<v Speaker 1>read quote, you agree that a business may pay Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>to display your photos in connection with paid or sponsored

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<v Speaker 1>content or promotions without any compensation to you end quote,

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<v Speaker 1>not first blush. That seems to say that if you

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<v Speaker 1>agree to use Instagram, any or all of your photos

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<v Speaker 1>could be featured in commercials for products you never use

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<v Speaker 1>or you've never heard of, or you oppose morally. And

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<v Speaker 1>what's more, you would never see a dime in compensation,

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<v Speaker 1>whether you liked the product or not. The advertisers would

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<v Speaker 1>get the wealth of countless photographs uploaded to Instagram by

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<v Speaker 1>millions of users without having to pay anyone other than

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram for that privilege. Outrage followed, But what was really

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<v Speaker 1>going on? Well, as it turns out, the terms of

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<v Speaker 1>service were actually restricting what Instagram could do. Earlier language

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<v Speaker 1>was more vague and permissive. But we need to understand

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<v Speaker 1>a few truths. One of those truths is that companies

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<v Speaker 1>that display user content require a lot of protection to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure they can't be held liable if someone says, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want you to share that. The terms of

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<v Speaker 1>service give broad licenses to such companies. To display images,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what the companies do. Instagram displays the photos

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<v Speaker 1>you upload and they store them as well, So in

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<v Speaker 1>order for that to happen, Instagram has to have permission

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<v Speaker 1>from you to do that because the photos don't belong

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<v Speaker 1>to Instagram. Those are your photos. Presumably you're presumably uploading

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<v Speaker 1>your own and not someone else's work, and so to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to display those images and to store them

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<v Speaker 1>on servers, Instagram requires users permission to do so. Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>can't sell your photos to anyone else because the service

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't own your photos. I can't sell something that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>belong to me, at least not legally. Nor can Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>change your photos beyond the ways you've indicated. So, in

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<v Speaker 1>other words, you can use Instagram's tools to change your photos.

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<v Speaker 1>But once you do that and you've settled on what

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<v Speaker 1>the photo needs to look like, Instagram doesn't have permission

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<v Speaker 1>to change it. Again, it doesn't have a license to

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<v Speaker 1>create derivative works based off of the images you upload.

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<v Speaker 1>There are similar terms of service elsewhere online, such as

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<v Speaker 1>with Google Drive. Without those terms, someone might try to

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<v Speaker 1>bring a case against a company saying, hey, I only

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<v Speaker 1>authorize this company to show me my material on this

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<v Speaker 1>particular device, nothing more. So some of this is in

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<v Speaker 1>the interest of self protection, but that didn't mean that

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram didn't have some wording that concerned poll For example,

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<v Speaker 1>there was this passage quote to help us deliver interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>paid or sponsored content or promotions. You agree that a

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<v Speaker 1>business or other entity may pay us to display your

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<v Speaker 1>user name, likeness, photos, along with any associated meta data,

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<v Speaker 1>and or actions you take in connection with paid or

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<v Speaker 1>sponsored content or promotions, without any compensation to you. End quote.

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<v Speaker 1>But the wording stated that Instagram could be paid to

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<v Speaker 1>allow advertisers to display your content in connection with advertising. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as The Verge pointed out in an insightful article on

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<v Speaker 1>the subject back in two thousand twelve, this actually created

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<v Speaker 1>limitations for Instagram and advertisers. A sponsor would not be

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to alter a photo in any way. It would

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<v Speaker 1>be able to display a photo in connection with advertising,

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<v Speaker 1>but couldn't turn the photo itself into an ad. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you took a picture of a perfect day on

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<v Speaker 1>a seashore, a nearby resort would not be allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>display that photo with overlaid text all about the resort.

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<v Speaker 1>The Verge piece goes on to point out that Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>already did something akin to this. If you were to

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<v Speaker 1>like a page on Facebook that was run by a

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<v Speaker 1>brand that like could show up in friends news feeds

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<v Speaker 1>as a sponsored post. So if I liked the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>page for the soundtrack show, which I recently did do

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast, could pay Facebook to promote that action across

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<v Speaker 1>my friends news feeds, and they would see Jonathan liked

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<v Speaker 1>this page, and that spreads the word and perhaps even

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<v Speaker 1>inspires my friends to also like that page. The Verge

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<v Speaker 1>argued that Instagram didn't make a mistake with the way

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<v Speaker 1>it formulated its terms of service, but rather made a

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<v Speaker 1>huge mistake by not explaining those terms clearly in advance

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<v Speaker 1>so that people wouldn't have a freak count. Instead, users

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<v Speaker 1>got the opression that all their pictures of vacations, pets,

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<v Speaker 1>and let's face it, food were to become the ads

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<v Speaker 1>of tomorrow, and while the users were the ones generating

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<v Speaker 1>all the content, they wouldn't get paid for it. The

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<v Speaker 1>reaction was, to put it, lightly negative. Systrom issued a

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<v Speaker 1>statement apologizing for the communication and the misunderstanding, but at

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<v Speaker 1>that point the outrage was spiraling out of control, and

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<v Speaker 1>so Instagram chose to roll back. The language. Just a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit later, in December of two thousand twelve, still

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<v Speaker 1>a month before the policies were even supposed to take effect,

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<v Speaker 1>the terms of service essentially reverted back to what they

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<v Speaker 1>were when Instagram first launched, back in which, as the

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<v Speaker 1>Verge piece pointed out, actually meant that there were fewer

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<v Speaker 1>protections in place for users, so it ironically got worse,

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<v Speaker 1>not better. Another piece, also in The Verge, went so

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<v Speaker 1>far as to suggest that the whole debacle would feed

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<v Speaker 1>into a culture of deceit among companies, that instagrams ex

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<v Speaker 1>arians would encourage other companies to develop terms of service

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<v Speaker 1>that would be difficult to suss out. They wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>written in plain language in order that people didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>bent out of shape from the outset, And as the

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<v Speaker 1>piece pointed out, Instagram's updated policy put their strategy in

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<v Speaker 1>plain language. It made it easier to understand, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>what set people off. When the terms were more obtuse.

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<v Speaker 1>No one got upset because no one took the effort

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<v Speaker 1>to understand what the heck the terms meant in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place. But once you spell it out, everyone got

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<v Speaker 1>up in arms about it, even though nothing had really changed.

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<v Speaker 1>That dramatically. Whether Instagram's experience has had an overall negative

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<v Speaker 1>impact on the way companies create their terms of services

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to say, but Instagram did have its first real

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<v Speaker 1>blush with user blowback, and at first some analysts claimed

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<v Speaker 1>the move had a real impact on user behavior. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a company called app Data, which measured Instagram usage

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<v Speaker 1>through users who had linked their Instagram accounts to their

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook profile. Else They reported that the app had seen

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty decline and daily activity over the week that

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<v Speaker 1>followed the policy announcements and rollback, but a later statement

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<v Speaker 1>from app Data cleared things up. According to a representative,

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<v Speaker 1>the report was based on inaccurate information and was far

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<v Speaker 1>more likely to be connected to the fact that the

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<v Speaker 1>week in question included Christmas and people were just not

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<v Speaker 1>posting as much that day because they were enjoying a holiday,

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<v Speaker 1>and that there probably wasn't any direct connection to the

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<v Speaker 1>policy controversy. Now, while the policy issue was a blip

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<v Speaker 1>in the radar, Instagram was able to get back on track.

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<v Speaker 1>By February of the service boasted one hundred million monthly

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<v Speaker 1>active users, and while some were starting to whisper that

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<v Speaker 1>Systram had sold too quickly. System continue to argue that

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<v Speaker 1>without the support of Facebook, the service wouldn't have grown

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<v Speaker 1>that quickly. To start with, Now, I've got a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more to say about where Instagram is today and

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<v Speaker 1>how it got there, But first let's take another quick

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<v Speaker 1>break to thank our sponsor. In two thousand thirteen, Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>introduced a few new features. One was photo tagging. Now

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<v Speaker 1>people could tag one another in photos, and it made

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<v Speaker 1>it much easier to find photos of yourself with the

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<v Speaker 1>inclusion of a photos of you tab. That tab displayed

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<v Speaker 1>all the pictures of a user that other people had

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<v Speaker 1>uploaded and tagged. Pretty useful when you go to a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of events and parties with friends and then you

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<v Speaker 1>want to see how many pictures of you looking like

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<v Speaker 1>an idiot there are out there. I might be projecting

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. I'm not suggesting that you look like

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<v Speaker 1>an idiot at parties. I'm admitting that I always do

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<v Speaker 1>look like an idiot at parties. In June, Instagram introduced

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<v Speaker 1>video sharing. This seemed to be a response to another

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<v Speaker 1>popular product that had launched the year before. This one

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<v Speaker 1>was called vine. Vine would allow users to create video

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<v Speaker 1>loops that lasted just six seconds and then upload those

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<v Speaker 1>clips to sites like Twitter, which bought Vine just before

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<v Speaker 1>it launched officially. The short form challenged users to find

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<v Speaker 1>creative ways to leverage that format. Instagram's approach was similar,

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<v Speaker 1>only it was nearly three times longer, with clips lasting

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<v Speaker 1>up to fifteen seconds. Instagram also introduced more than a

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<v Speaker 1>dozen special filters specifically designed to work with video. This

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<v Speaker 1>marked the first really big change to Instagram's features since

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<v Speaker 1>it launched, though the team behind Instagram had been working

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<v Speaker 1>the whole time to improve services speed and reliability, so

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't like they were shirking their duty. They just

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't really added any big features. It also meant some

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<v Speaker 1>people began to worry that Instagram could become Facebook's prototype

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<v Speaker 1>ground for features that Facebook wanted to explore but couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>easily implement into the Facebook experience directly. Instead, you just

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<v Speaker 1>add more stuff to Instagram. Ironically, this would mean pushing

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram closer to its predecessor, the app known as Bourbon

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<v Speaker 1>bu r b N. Also, Facebook had really wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>buy Vine that didn't work out for them, This would

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<v Speaker 1>become an ongoing thing for Facebook. Mark Zuckerberg would want

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<v Speaker 1>to go out and acquire a company, he would get

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<v Speaker 1>a negative reply, and then he would tell Instagram, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>can you make a tool that essentially does this thing

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<v Speaker 1>that we wanted to buy and they'd say okay. In October,

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram encountered another controversy. This one was one that continued

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<v Speaker 1>for a while. A photographer and model named Petra Collins

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<v Speaker 1>posted a photo of herself in a bikini, and in

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<v Speaker 1>the photo, some of Collins's pubic hair was actually visible

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<v Speaker 1>beneath her bikini bottom. Instagram ended up deleting her account,

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<v Speaker 1>which led to Collins protesting the move, claiming her photo

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<v Speaker 1>didn't violate any of Instagram's stated terms and conditions, and

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<v Speaker 1>that led to a wider discussion about Instagram's policies and

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<v Speaker 1>the seemingly inconsistent way the company enforced them. You could

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<v Speaker 1>argue that some photos, while not technically showing any nudity whatsoever,

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<v Speaker 1>we're incredibly suggestive or sexual in nature, and therefore we're

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<v Speaker 1>a quote unquote fine by Instagram standards. Other photos that

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<v Speaker 1>might include a little nudity, but we're not overtly sexual

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<v Speaker 1>or sensual, might end up being violations of Instagram's policies.

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<v Speaker 1>And there were other issues about a disparity between photos

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<v Speaker 1>of men and women, and this all started to spiral

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<v Speaker 1>into a big debate online that continues to this day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been an ongoing issue for Instagram. There were similar

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<v Speaker 1>incidents that happened in and there's still arguments about whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not the policies make sense, whether they are enforced equitably,

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<v Speaker 1>and whether it's a different story for men than it

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<v Speaker 1>is for women. Yet another controversy popped up in November,

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<v Speaker 1>which must have been a pretty rough year to work

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<v Speaker 1>in pr and Instagram. A b b See investigative report

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<v Speaker 1>revealed that people were selling illegal drugs using Instagram to

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<v Speaker 1>advertise their products, typically with a message that would send

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<v Speaker 1>people to the WhatsApp messenger in order to complete the transaction.

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram responded by cracking down no pun intended on the

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<v Speaker 1>various hashtags being used by people to sell drugs over

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<v Speaker 1>the service. Also in two thousand thirteen, Instagram introduced sponsored posts,

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<v Speaker 1>which would insert advertisements within the feeds of users as

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<v Speaker 1>a way to monetize the service, and the company also

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<v Speaker 1>introduced a feature called direct in which users could choose

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<v Speaker 1>to send photos to specific people as a private message,

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<v Speaker 1>rather than sharing it in their public feed. This last

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<v Speaker 1>feature seemed to be a response to apps like Snapchat,

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<v Speaker 1>which was growing in popularity at that time. Two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen was also the year Instagram finally came to the

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<v Speaker 1>Windows phone platform. Nakia had been pressuring Instagram for a

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<v Speaker 1>version of its app to run on Windows Mobile operating system.

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<v Speaker 1>Nakia's handset division was in the process of being acquired

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<v Speaker 1>by Microsoft by the time the app was on the

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<v Speaker 1>verge of launching. The app came out in November, and

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<v Speaker 1>immediately there were problems. For example, in the beta build,

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<v Speaker 1>you could not take photos directly from the app. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>you would take photos with your phones camera app, then

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<v Speaker 1>you would import the photos from your film role into Instagram. Worse,

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<v Speaker 1>the original announcement mentioned video support, but the Windows Mobile

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<v Speaker 1>version of Instagram had no such capability. In fact, it

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<v Speaker 1>would take nearly two and a half years before Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>on Windows ten Mobile could support video. There have been

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<v Speaker 1>some standalone apps that interoperate with Instagram that officially come

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<v Speaker 1>from Instagram the company. In fourteen, the company launched a

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<v Speaker 1>messaging app called Bolt, in which users could send an

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<v Speaker 1>image to other users that disappears after it's been viewed,

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<v Speaker 1>similar to snapchats design. Later, the company also released hyper Laps,

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<v Speaker 1>a time lapse video app. In two thousand and fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram launched a companion app called Boomerang. Boomerang allows users

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<v Speaker 1>to take a burst of five photos within the span

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<v Speaker 1>of a second. The photos are then shown in sequence

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<v Speaker 1>as if they are five frames of a video. Then

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<v Speaker 1>the sequence reverses back to the beginning and so on

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<v Speaker 1>in a never ending loop, and it can be funny

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<v Speaker 1>or irritating, all depending on the execution. In s, Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>introduced Stories, which lets you create a series of photos

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<v Speaker 1>and videos, complete with layers and effects, and string them

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<v Speaker 1>together to form into a narrative. The story expires after

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four hours it disappears from feeds at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>In April, Instagram changed up its algorithm in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that still drives me crazy, kind of the way Facebook's

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<v Speaker 1>algorithm drives me crazy. And maybe this is just me.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's not just me, because there's so many

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<v Speaker 1>articles about it, but maybe it doesn't bother you. But

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<v Speaker 1>the app changed from listing entries in reverse chronological order.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be where you have the most recent posts

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<v Speaker 1>at the top of your feed and older posts are

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<v Speaker 1>following behind, so you just scroll down and you're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>the older posts. Instead, they use a new algorithm in

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<v Speaker 1>order to show the posts in a way that was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be the kind that would show you more

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<v Speaker 1>of the type of stuff you really liked at the top.

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<v Speaker 1>Presumably the algorithm would take into account the people and

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<v Speaker 1>hashtags of photos that you had hit like on in

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<v Speaker 1>the past and use that to determine what would rise

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<v Speaker 1>to the top of your feed, so that you would

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<v Speaker 1>not miss out on those things, which I guess makes

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of sense, except it really cuts down on

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<v Speaker 1>discover ability. I much prefer the chronological approach, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think works better as long as you're not following thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of accounts. If you are following thousands of accounts, then

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<v Speaker 1>clearly you need some help to see the stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>you would most likely enjoy away. But if you're like

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<v Speaker 1>me and you're following maybe a couple hundred of accounts,

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<v Speaker 1>then chronological makes perfect sense. That same year, the company

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<v Speaker 1>faced more controversy when The Daily Star reported that it

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<v Speaker 1>had discovered users were uploading pornography to Instagram and hiding

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<v Speaker 1>it through Arabic hashtags and another awful moment came when

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<v Speaker 1>Olivia Salon um, the senior technology reporter for the U

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<v Speaker 1>S branch of The Guardian, posted a screenshot of an

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<v Speaker 1>email she had received, and that email included death and

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<v Speaker 1>rape threats against her. That part is awful enough, but

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<v Speaker 1>the truly terrible part for this story was that the

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<v Speaker 1>post got a lot of engagement, and Instagram's add algorithm

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<v Speaker 1>plucked the picture out for use in an advertisement, which

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<v Speaker 1>appeared on Solon's sisters feed, which is pretty horrifying to

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<v Speaker 1>see an email addressed to your sister appearing as a

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<v Speaker 1>sponsored post in your feed. The purpose behind the agorithm

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<v Speaker 1>was to help encourage engagement, so if a post was

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<v Speaker 1>doing well, it's supposed to get featured on your friends

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<v Speaker 1>feeds so that they don't miss out. But in this case,

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<v Speaker 1>it seemed as if Instagram was promoting the awful threats

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<v Speaker 1>against Ms Salon, a very upsetting situation. Also full disclosure,

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<v Speaker 1>I should say this. I can't say that I know

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<v Speaker 1>Olivia Salon, but she and I have interacted online a

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<v Speaker 1>few times, so I admit I'm not unbiased in this

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<v Speaker 1>particular story, though I would imagine I'd be horrified even

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<v Speaker 1>if I had never communicated with her, but that particular

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<v Speaker 1>problem is indicative of the sort of things that can

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<v Speaker 1>happen with algorithms without very careful supervision. And algorithm is

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<v Speaker 1>just a set of instructions, and if a situation seems

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<v Speaker 1>to fall within those parameters, the algorithm will act upon it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not indicative of anything malicious necessarily, but certainly falls

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<v Speaker 1>in the problematic or perhaps even negligent categories. And leading

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<v Speaker 1>up to the recording of these episodes, some more news

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<v Speaker 1>about Instagram recently came out. One feature that has yet

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<v Speaker 1>to be implemented as of the time I'm recording this,

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<v Speaker 1>but should soon be part of the service is a

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<v Speaker 1>mute button, which will let you silence friends without actually

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<v Speaker 1>on following them, so you can see who is bugging

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<v Speaker 1>you and then you can mute that person. You you

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<v Speaker 1>would stop seeing photos of my dog Tibolt without having

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<v Speaker 1>to let me know you've unfollowed me. Though, let's be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>Tibblet is so darn cute he deserves his own Instagram account.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just so darn cute. Instagram is also introducing a

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<v Speaker 1>feature to let you know when you've seen all the

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<v Speaker 1>latest posts from the past given amount of time, which

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<v Speaker 1>would save you the effort of scrolling beyond images you've

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<v Speaker 1>seen multiple times in the hopes of glimpsing something new. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this would not be necessary if the app, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>listed images and reverse chronological order or something, but it

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<v Speaker 1>lets you know you've hit the last of the new

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and that scrolling further will just show you more

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<v Speaker 1>of what you've already seen. So you start scrolling down

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually you see a message saying you have seen

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<v Speaker 1>all the latest posts from the last six hours. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>say I'm just arbitrarily making up that time, but you

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<v Speaker 1>get the idea, and that way you know, all right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's how many were there for the last six hours.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll check again in a couple of hours and it

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<v Speaker 1>will tell me when I get to that same spot

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<v Speaker 1>and say, oh, you've seen the latest ones from the

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<v Speaker 1>last two hours. And you can keep doing it that

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<v Speaker 1>way without having to dig way back in your Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>feed again. Wouldn't be necessary if it were in reverse

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<v Speaker 1>chronological order. But I'm beating a dead horse. And another

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<v Speaker 1>thing that the app is launching is a native payments feature,

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<v Speaker 1>so you will soon be able to if you if

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<v Speaker 1>you can already. You soon will be able to register

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<v Speaker 1>a credit or debit card in a profile. You would

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<v Speaker 1>then set up a security pen personal identification number, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you can buy stuff through Instagram. You might be

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<v Speaker 1>able to do things like make dinner reservations or book

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<v Speaker 1>a session in a sheep salon. You may soon be

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<v Speaker 1>able to buy things advertise on Instagram directly through the app,

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<v Speaker 1>removing the necessity of navigating away from Instagram to buy

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<v Speaker 1>those killer shade you saw or whatever. Now again, will

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<v Speaker 1>these features make Instagram ever more popular? Or are we

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<v Speaker 1>starting to see that feature creep problem up here, where

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<v Speaker 1>more and more things that were never part of Instagram's

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<v Speaker 1>uh makeup back in the old days start getting crammed

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<v Speaker 1>in there. Are we going to see Instagram become bourbon

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<v Speaker 1>the old proto Instagram app from And if it does,

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<v Speaker 1>will users still enjoy using Instagram or will they say

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<v Speaker 1>there's so many features here that it's cluttered and it's clumsy,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not fun to use. I much prefer a streamlined app,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll go looking for something else. It's too early

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<v Speaker 1>to say for sure. I know that I tend to

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<v Speaker 1>think that it would be best to keep things as

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<v Speaker 1>streamlined as possible, and perhaps develop partner apps that have

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<v Speaker 1>these other features that are starting to creep into Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>and then go that route instead of putting them all

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<v Speaker 1>in one. But who am I to say? I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>worth four million dollars, so I certainly can't argue that

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