WEBVTT - Howie Mandel: AGT Criticism, Stage Moms + Acting Tricks 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:10.080 Now really really, now really. 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:10.399 Hello everybody. 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:13.520 I am Jason Alexander here with my best friend Peter Tilden. 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:15.920 Oh is that that's Peter Tilden? 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:20.360 I was else, you're judging the way I said, welcome 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:23.040 to really know really the podcast where Peter and I 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:24.560 discussed things that make us. 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:26.880 Say really, no, really really. 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:29.200 And usually there's a bell here that I would ding, 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:31.520 but my producer Lori Cremey doesn't like the bell, so 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.279 ding today we have a very interesting topic. This one 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:37.440 scared me a little bit because this is a world 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:38.320 that I kind of live in. 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:38.760 Right. 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:41.320 So I was reading in a in a paper that 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:43.519 there was a dance company, I think maybe a ballet 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:47.239 company in Germany, and there was a new program and 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:49.440 the one of the critics, I think a person named 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:51.600 weep ke Huster, I think it was the name of 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:55.880 the critic, wrote a negative, perhaps scathing review. 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:57.600 I'm not sure. I didn't see the review. 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:00.279 Well, it did say that the dancers feel like they 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:02.120 were going insane or being killed by boredom. 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.800 Ah, so that's not a great. 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:05.279 Review, not a great review. 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.440 And so the choreographer or the manager of the ballet 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:12.240 company felt that that was excessive and that it needed 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.760 to be addressed, and they addressed it by when they 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:20.880 next saw Weepee Huster, they took dog feces and smeared 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:21.479 it in her. 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:24.000 Face in an audience. In the audience, Yes, in the audience. 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:25.160 And we went and I. 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:30.200 Got us talking about criticism because you and we'll talk 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:32.880 about that later, you've been criticized because you're in a broadway 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:33.600 and you get reviewed. 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.360 Anybody who's performing in the public arena in any way 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:38.400 doesn't have to be in entertainment radio. 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:40.760 For my entire life, on radio, you get ratings, and 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:42.800 you get critiqued, and you get called in all the time. 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:43.720 You're constant critiques. 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:46.240 So we wanted to get on somebody who has to 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:51.080 give criticism often as they're living. And Howie Mandel is 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:54.840 somebody who has to criticize and give axe feedback. 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:57.840 Because tenure to judge on America's got that. 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.360 So let's welcome mister Howie Mandel. Good. 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.240 Can I just say that opening of this do you 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:08.560 want me to critique episode of first? 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:08.960 Really? 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:10.200 That's the opening? 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:11.720 Really? Really? 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:12.880 Really? 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:17.239 You you have me on and it's a show on criticism, 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:23.360 And I love the thematic. Yes, the booking the thematic booking. Yes, criticism, 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:27.040 and you have a talent judge on but I have 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:31.359 I don't want to follow a story about ballet dancers 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:35.919 who get wiped in their face. Well, I don't think 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:38.520 that's a good I don't think that's a good entree. 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:42.000 And we have Howie Mandel, here's a story of Eric. 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.960 You think you're bigger than dog feces being smeared in 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:46.720 the critics face. 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.639 That's the kind of ego that you have. Bill to 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:52.400 a doge are you doing? 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:53.840 I don't know that is somebody. 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:57.239 Somebody says Jackie Mason. 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:57.600 I think. 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:00.200 Was Jackie. 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:05.400 It's also a little bit Max Moments, a little bit 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:06.480 of the Producers, which you. 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.560 Did very well, by the way, you're very kind. 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:13.840 Was that a criticism? It was a wonderful I did 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:15.519 not get a good review in the La. 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:19.000 Times, so you remember you can get That's the thing 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:24.520 about criticism is that you couldn't have standing ovations. You 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:29.720 can be loved by millions, but you get one little negative, 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:33.160 one little gray area, and that's all you remember. 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:36.000 You crushed it on Broadway. 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.320 I know that, and I read a lot of it, 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:39.960 and everybody loved. 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:40.920 You in that play. 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:41.760 In the producer. 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.080 But you remember an La times. 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:48.600 Absolutely, and not only that, not only do you remember 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:52.480 or I find that you remember the bad ones disproportionately. 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:56.240 I don't remember the good ones the good ones feel like. 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:58.520 And that may be a character thing to me. When 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:01.320 people are complimentary to me, I tend to thank you, 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:01.880 thank you. 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:03.120 You know, I can't quite. 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:04.240 Know what I think take it in. 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:06.600 I think it's the imposter syndrome. I think it's all 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:07.720 of us. And I don't know if you feel this 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:08.040 way too. 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:08.440 How are you? 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.120 I know you're a long time, You've had successful animated shows, 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:17.400 you've hosted a talk show, you've launched success. But I 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:20.480 think criticism hits us all because all of us have 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.479 a bit of that imposter syndrome. So it taps into that. 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.360 Oh they get what's in my head as far as 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:30.040 how I feel about myself. Yeah, and it just nudges 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:30.560 that thing. 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:30.760 You know. 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:32.239 I don't know if anybody. 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.200 Well, when you talk about criticism, I think that is 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:38.320 the fuel of life. I think anybody, even in and 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:42.040 out of this business, is concerned and believes that there 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:44.960 is a critical narrative going on in a room when 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.479 they walk in. You comb your hair, you dress a 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.240 certain way, you show up at a party, you show 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.680 up at an office. In your mind, everybody's looking at 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:56.680 you and critiquing. I don't think anybody steps out of 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:59.640 their house or into an office or into a workplace 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:03.520 without feeling that they are critiqued. That's just our narrative 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:05.400 of life, isn't it. 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:07.800 Well, yes, and you have to do it. You've done 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.080 it for how many years on America's got talent? 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:10.560 I've done it. 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:14.599 Fourteen fourteen years and it's really hard. That was the 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:17.640 hardest thing. Two things were hard for me. And you know, 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:21.800 as somebody who like you guys, you know, entered this 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:27.360 business not only for whatever we entered it to do, 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:31.000 to be a broadcaster or an actor, a comedian or whatever, 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:37.120 but we also needed to be accepted and loved and 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:42.360 you know, respected by people that will probably never meet. 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:43.400 Right. 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:45.920 It's like, I love that people that. 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:47.640 Don't have the need to be in this business it's 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.400 to be so it would lift a weight off my 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.599 shoulders to wake up and not give a shit about 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:54.720 what people thought of me. 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.240 Except today it's not about the influencers. Everybody because of 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.200 bar Soolo Howie, everybody there's a new entry into that 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:02.800 field of I want people to love. 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:06.280 It, right, But it's also very easy to read your analytics. 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:07.840 You know, you got how many. 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:09.840 Likes you get, how many views you get, how many 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:14.640 listeners you have, So everybody is chasing that critique, and 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.440 whether you hear the words or whether somebody shows up 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:21.159 to wipe dogs in your face, it feels exactly the 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:25.799 same to not have any views, to not have any listeners. Absolutely, 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:29.240 So the hardest thing for me was I entered into 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:34.120 this business to garner laughter and love and acceptance from 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:37.599 people I don't know. And then the first day that 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.080 I showed up on America's Got Talent. At that time, 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:41.680 we used to travel the show. 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:42.880 I don't know if people. 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.679 Remember at the beginning, you know that we're like American Idol. 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:47.839 We're coming to you from Dallas, or we're coming to 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:49.719 you from and we used to travel around and find 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.600 local talent and then bring it you're going to Hollywood. 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.480 I remember the first time. I don't think I. 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.960 Was that critical, but I didn't love a song choice 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.640 that somebody, a singer was on stage and I said, 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:06.039 you know something like you have a great voice, but 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.080 you know, I don't think you chose the right song. 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.240 I mean, there was no range in that song. And 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:16.720 I said something that wasn't totally positive, and the entire audience, 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.360 because this is their hometown boy or girl, the entire 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:24.840 audience bowed me. And I had this negative criticism just 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.840 wave over me, and I thought, oh my god, what 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.200 the can I swear on there? No? 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:34.200 But I know Laurie took away the bell. 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:36.040 I don't know if she took away the bleep we 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:40.480 have we have a like, okay, all right, but but 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.000 you know, I thought, what the hell have I done? 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.880 You know, like, I'm on a thing where everybody like 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:48.080 they don't even like what I'm saying. It's not like 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.320 I'm trying to entertain. I'm not trying to be funny. 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:52.760 I'm not trying to get a laugh. I'm just being 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.120 honest and I'm just being howey. And that hurt more 0:07:55.320 --> 0:08:00.320 than ever. You know, you don't agree with my my critique, 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:04.960 and now you're critiquing my critique, and you're critiquing who 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.520 I am and my taste and my sensibility. 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.200 And that wasn't even that audience response. I wouldn't even 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.560 put that under critique. That was, I'm going to hurt you. 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.680 I'm going to hurt you, Howie Mandel, because you did 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.000 something I don't approve of and I don't agree with, 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:19.960 and I feel you're hurting someone else. So in the 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:23.560 guys a protector, I'm going to boo you and hurt 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:24.280 your feelings. 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:25.400 I'm going to diminish you. 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:27.400 And you don't think that's what a critic does to 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:29.840 you about your about your performance. 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:33.120 I've received many different kinds of critique. 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:34.800 There are some critique that is not. 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:41.440 I wouldn't categorize it as positive, but it is helpful, yes. 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.559 And then there's critique that goes, I do want to 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.680 hurt you. I feel that you need to be harmed. 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.360 And that's why, as a judge on these shows, my 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:59.559 empathy precedes my professionalism. I am somebody who is on stage. 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:03.000 I am somebody who is in front of an audience 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.240 all the time, and I'm very cognizant. I try to 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:08.679 be as cognizant as I can be about how I 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.280 would feel. You know, it's kind of like do onto 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.800 others as you would have them do unto you. So 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:19.480 when I tell somebody something that isn't positive, there's this weight, 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.840 and the weight is because you just you just alluded 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:26.079 to it because of social media. America's Got Talent gets 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:29.640 a billion clicks a season on YouTube. 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:35.280 World criticism, Yeah. 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:36.760 But it does. 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.840 And I'm cognizant of the fact that people are listening 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:45.000 to what I'm doing and taken being entertained by the criticism. 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:50.440 So therefore I feel obligated to be honest, and I 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:54.240 feel obligated. It's really easy, but also boring and not 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:58.160 entertaining to just be nice for niceness sake. Wonderful, that 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:02.160 was wonderful, and it was horrible, but I'll never say 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.559 it was horrible. I will say I'll try to be 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:08.520 as constructive as possible. I'll say listen. Opera is not 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.640 my thing. I've never bought an opera album. I've never 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:16.240 gone to a concert. But I think that some of 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:23.800 the notes were not They weren't notes, they were pitchy. 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.800 So I listened to when I was preparing for this 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.319 and thinking about criticism because I had to help a 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:30.840 judge in the past on another show who called me 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:32.760 and said, I need to come up with X amount 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:36.600 of week. Can you write some right, some write some criticism. 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:38.440 In other words, get me. You have to come up 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:42.600 with so many ways to say something's bad after fifteen years. 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.240 Do you have to come up with a novel idea 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:47.079 or are you processing it as it happens. 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.640 I don't want to do that, So then it's I 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:50.920 don't want to write critique. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.559 No, no, but you know them, But you know what 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.160 words you can use or what things you haven't said before, 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:57.480 a way to say it differently. 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.160 You know, that's the biggest issue that people have. But 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.480 then you become like, he just said pitchy. You're making 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:06.280 fun of a gentleman that was on idol, right, he 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:07.400 always said it was pitchy. 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:09.520 Listen, dog, it's pitchy. 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:16.680 But the point is, so then I'm internalizing and I 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.480 know I don't think about saying it in a different way. 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:23.280 My whole goal on that show is to be a 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:26.880 real human being and to be authentic in the moment. 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.280 And even if I feel that I've repeated myself over 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:31.080 and over, I say wow, and I say I am 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.360 amazing way too much, and when I listen to it, 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.120 I go, oh my god, I'm just repeating that. 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:36.760 But that's okay. 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:39.760 That's my criticism, my self criticism, which is the biggest 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:43.440 critic in the world. I have a tough problem with myself. 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:47.880 I'm my worst critic. I suffer from depression and anxiety 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.080 and all these things because I am a critic living 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:55.520 in a very sensitive body. But the truth of the 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:59.240 matter is, I'm just I want to be honest and 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:00.880 I just want them to know that. 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.000 It comes from a place and. 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:06.760 A good place. I don't want to what you just said, Jason. 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.600 I don't want to hurt anybody, and the last thing 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:11.600 I want to do is hurt you. But my job here. 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:15.200 You're a person who shows up on this show. You 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.920 know that that's the game you're playing. It's like I 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:19.600 want to go play tennis, but I don't want anybody 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:21.640 hit a ball back to me. It's like, you got 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:24.559 you gotta. You're performing, and you know you're going to 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:27.439 hear from me, and I promise you I'm going to 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:32.680 be hopefully not mean and hopefully not hurtful, but constructive 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:34.800 as somebody who's been in the business for a long time. 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:37.400 And also when I don't know, and I'll tell you 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:41.319 I don't know, like I'm not a big mime. 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:42.200 Or opera fan. 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:43.400 I did. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:45.600 Those are two things that I would never buy a 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.079 ticket to go see I would never. 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:48.960 Buy a mime show. 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:53.320 I won't. I run from mimes whenever the street. 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.680 This made me remember I went to Stomp, and I 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.480 took super day to stop to Stomp. 0:12:58.600 --> 0:12:59.160 It seems like. 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.520 And we're sitting in the back we got less mian 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.360 of seats that somebody gave us, and he said, yeah, 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:06.120 I want to go, and we're watching Stomp and he waited. 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.200 Half an hour in he goes, these seats are so 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.440 bad if they're lyrics, if they're saying I'm gonna sue you. 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:14.560 Well, I sat. 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.360 I had a five hour flight sitting beside Marcel Marceau. 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:19.240 No, I didn't say. 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:24.320 But I hate mine and I tell people, I tell 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.800 people on the show. I just don't like it. I 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.560 don't get it. It annoys me exactly what you just said. 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.280 A mime is never nothing good is happening to a 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.520 mind that's always too windy their trap. 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:37.360 Do you think there's a mine who's putting an act 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:38.720 together saying, you know what, I'm going to do, an 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.040 act that's going to change the world. 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:43.400 No, but there is a mind that I ended up loving, 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.280 and I changed it changed my mind there's a guy 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:48.160 by the name of Tapeface who is now performing in 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:51.480 Las Vegas, who was one of the funniest, most innovative 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:52.480 mimes I've ever seen. 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:54.720 Well, you must enjoy Billy the Mime. Have you seen 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:59.439 Billy the Mime? Look him up on YouTube. He does 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:00.679 the most versus. 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.760 I'm not interested in seeing any more mine than than 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:04.959 mime is put in front of me. 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:07.840 He was the mime in The Aristocrats. He told the 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:11.000 Aristocrats joke. In my mind, Oh wow, then I know 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:11.760 I'm in that movie. 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:16.840 We're in that movie. Oh wow, the my Aristocrats. Now 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:17.440 we got to see that. 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:18.439 Now I'm gonna watch that. 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:19.760 So let me go back on. 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:21.920 So you you don't like mime, you don't like opera. 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.160 But here's the thing for me, and I wonder how 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:27.600 you address it. So you have many singers, you have 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:31.080 many dancers on the show. You're not a trained singer, 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:34.720 you're not a trained dancer. So but you you do 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:38.200 like those things, and you will critique them. What's the difference, 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.520 if there is one in your mind between what makes 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:45.120 you able to critique a singer or a dancer. 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:46.760 You have no background, you. 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:48.320 Know, but I am. I don't know how much you 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:52.080 know about me. I'm brilliant and I didn't know yet. 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.920 No I am, I'm brilliant and I'm no. The truth 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:58.600 of the matter is this, if you are a singer 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:04.240 and you show up, you know I'm somebody who has 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:08.040 a modicum of intelligence, who has been in the business 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:13.360 for over forty years, who understands. 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:14.960 Marketing, marketing. 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:21.760 I think I can understand why what you're doing is 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:26.680 marketable and why some people would love it. And even 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.040 though I don't love it, I mean, I can hear 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.760 that you're hitting notes that and I could hear that 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:36.040 your original I can hear that you're powerful. I could 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.960 look at you and say that you own that stage, 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:42.920 and you have such confidence and there's a magnetism. I 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.160 don't want to buy your record, I don't want to 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:50.600 stream your music, but you're really good. I get why 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:54.320 people are going crazy for Taylor Swift. I've never been 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:56.360 to a Taylor Swift concert. I'm not knocking her, but 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.840 I know that she's really good and relatable, and she 0:15:58.960 --> 0:15:59.720 hits an audience. 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:00.960 I understand. 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:05.520 You know, I never watched soap operas, but that is 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:09.480 I understand that's a rabid audience. And it's really good 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:13.560 and is the more melodramatic it is, the more they 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:16.920 entice that audience. So I think, as an intelligent person 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:22.160 who is in the entertainment industry, I have a right 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:23.920 to give you my opinion, and you have a right 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:25.840 to go, well, you don't know what the work. 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:35.160 Yeah, you don't know what ahead? Thank yous on that. 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:36.840 Do you know we pay for if you if you 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.520 had to come to your right now, I don't need 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:41.960 your Jason taught me this. 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:43.720 At the end of every scene in soap opera, they 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:45.880 go to commercial and the person is standing there and 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:47.840 they focus on their faces and. 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:49.680 I go, what is it? What's the trick? 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.880 Well, this was a director that I worked with who 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.560 directed a lot of when they do those pushions that 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.640 they end never seen. The scene could be mother died, 0:16:57.720 --> 0:16:59.880 the scene could be Jeffrey's missing, the scene could be 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:03.280 we'll do it tomorrow. But there's this ten second push right, 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:06.119 say what do I do? What do I do with that? 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.160 What do I play? And the director said, very subtly 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:12.680 but very real, play who farted? 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:15.320 It'll cover any situation if you do that. 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:19.600 It's this, it's this, you go, that's even that's two 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:21.119 over the time. If you're really put I'm going to 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.360 do it to this camera who farted mother Jeffrey died. 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:30.560 It's very and it will work every time. I'm so 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:31.320 glad I brought. 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:34.400 That better than well I'm going to critique. It was wonderful. 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.920 I didn't know you kind of take away from the 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.439 critique by telling me the mechanism that it was. But 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:43.440 that was an amazing That's why they say, I smell 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:54.879 emmy Simon. 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.960 You've got into riffs with him. Yes, hey, I guess 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.720 they got to be honestly real. But the other interesting 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.240 thing is I looked up reviews of America's Got Talent, 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.440 and there was a review recently by a guy named 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.600 John Dudley who said America's Got Talent would benefit from 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.960 more negativity and all those amp up the criticism. What's 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:16.640 interesting is when Simon cow first hit America, right, people 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:18.840 went crazy, He's mean. Oh my god, he's so mean. 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:23.440 Today it doesn't seem mean. And I'm wondering if that's 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:28.679 because he's adjusted or everybody else has gotten discourse. Public 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.720 discourse now has gotten so mean that to get clickbait 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:33.240 you almost have to amp it up. 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:39.880 To what I think the digital age kind of led 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:45.359 us into reality. And you know, Simon was the first person. 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:48.600 And I've talked to Simon about this. We become really 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:53.520 good friends. Simon was a record producer and in the 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.040 record business. He's told me, I'm not in the record business. 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.240 I can't tell you how many people would come into 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:01.040 his office or his building and sing a song and 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:03.879 he'd go, you know what, I'm gonna be honest with you. 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:07.480 It's like cats screaming. You know, It's like it's it's 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.200 terrible and I'm not signing you. And that's just normally. 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:12.760 He get tapes all the time, just over and over again. 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:17.240 And then he got recruited as a record producer to 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:22.200 lend some you know ravata. Yeah, there's a real record 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:26.720 producer here on these shows. He didn't know. They said 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:30.080 he's not a TV he was. They said, just be 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:34.080 the record producer. We in America because they had been 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:36.879 doing it a little bit in the UK, and the 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:40.360 UK is much I feel ahead of us in comedy, 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:46.080 ahead of us in edginess and reality. We had never 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:51.000 seen anybody be anything but nice on TV, whether it 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.399 was Star Search or the Ted Matt. 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:55.760