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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to cool Zone Media book Club. I

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Speaker 2: waited to do the chanting, so if you're ready to

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Speaker 2: of time with me. Book Club, book Club, book Club.

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Speaker 2: There we go. That's the book club intro everyone wants.

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Speaker 2: So it's cool Zone Media book Club only this month,

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Speaker 2: as you probably are aware, instead of doing our regular

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Speaker 2: book club. What we got sent missives from the future

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Speaker 2: from cool Zone Media twenty fifty four, and so here

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Speaker 2: we are welcome to cool Zone Media twenty fifty four

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Speaker 2: Reports from the Dinah War, your source for everything World

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Speaker 2: War three point five. I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and

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Speaker 2: today we've got something extra special for you. Today we

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Speaker 2: are talking to the Witch of Warcraft, the Mistress of Macnovia,

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Speaker 2: the Conquering Queen. She's either the Prince of Portland or

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Speaker 2: the Butcher of Beaverton, depending on who you ask. Today

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Speaker 2: we're talking to the one, the Only, General, Sophie Lickterman.

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Speaker 2: How are you today, Sophie?

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Speaker 1: Well, all my dogs are good, so I'm good. All right.

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Speaker 2: I've got a bunch of questions for you, some are

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Speaker 2: for me, some are listener recommended. And hey, if you

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Speaker 2: want to ask our guest questions, anyone with a service card,

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Speaker 2: civil or military can send them along to us using

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Speaker 2: the social media app of your choice. As always, we'll

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Speaker 2: pick the best ones to ask our guests. And no,

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Speaker 2: we don't sort by rank privates in generals, you're all

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Speaker 2: equal here, just like you are in all the best militaries.

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Speaker 2: But first you might be asking yourself, dear listener, what

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Speaker 2: if I haven't served in World War three point five yet?

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Speaker 2: What if you're looking for a way to get involved, Well,

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Speaker 2: look no further, because it wouldn't be a cool Zone

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Speaker 2: Media podcast in the year twenty fifty four if we

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Speaker 2: weren't brought to you by our biggest sponsor, Dino Cadence.

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Speaker 2: them Cool Zone Media sent you, and you still won't

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Speaker 2: twenty fifty four, Ride or Die. I told you years

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Speaker 2: ago that it would take until the twenty fifties before

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Speaker 2: I would do adreads. Before I get into it with

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Speaker 2: the questions, I've got to pretend like there isn't anyone

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Speaker 2: in the audience who might not have heard of you,

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Speaker 2: just in case you were born yesterday. General Sophie Lickterman is,

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Speaker 2: of course one of the most decorated commanders in the

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Speaker 2: Internationalist forces, and I believe the only person alive who

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Speaker 2: holds the rank of brigadier general in three different armies

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Speaker 2: four armies. Four.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Freeqrumpy of Louisiana just promoted me after last.

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Speaker 2: Week's campaign four Armies. The only person currently alive who

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Speaker 2: holds the rank of brigadier general in four armies. You

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Speaker 2: are the woman of the hour. It seems like jet

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Speaker 2: setting and organizing forces everywhere in the world. Whenever a

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Speaker 2: new internationalist force needs help getting up and off the ground,

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Speaker 2: you're there. You're still on the board here at cool

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Speaker 2: Zone Media, of course, which you've founded decades ago at

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Speaker 2: this point, but you've still got time to dog mom

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Speaker 2: two amazing pups. I think you've got more hours in

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Speaker 2: the day than the rest of us. But on to

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Speaker 2: the questions. You first rose to political prominence back in

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Speaker 2: twenty thirty six, during the whole Fight for the Future thing,

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Speaker 2: when you became a household name after a well televised arrest.

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Speaker 2: In your own words, what happened there?

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Speaker 1: I mean most of you have seen it, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: so the Fight for the Future kicks off and recovering

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Speaker 1: it on a bunch of our shows. I didn't even

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Speaker 1: mean to get more directly involved. I'd had my own

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Speaker 1: on it because I like getting stuff done behind this

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Speaker 1: sear I mean, always have. I love you all, but

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Speaker 1: someone's got to keep things organized, you know. Anyways, I

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Speaker 1: made this offhand comment February twenty fourth, twenty thirty six,

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Speaker 2: And then someone killed that man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, his own, a strange son killed him, And like,

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Speaker 2: And so later that day you're just out shopping.

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Speaker 1: I did it or what I why I masterminded that assassination,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know. It's been a long day. I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to go home to the dogs, and they're all,

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Speaker 1: why do you hate innovation? And why does Antifa support

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Speaker 1: murder as a tactic? And tried to get out the door,

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Speaker 1: but they were both just there and they weren't small men,

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Speaker 2: So you pepper sprayed both of them.

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Speaker 1: I pepper sprayed the shit out of both of them,

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Speaker 1: but the cameras caught it all and I was arrested

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Speaker 1: in the parking lot. They clearly planned the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: The cops wanted to hold me in jail until trial too.

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Speaker 1: Our words are more dangerous than a ghost gun, the

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Speaker 1: judge said, which is a compliment, I guess. But I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to go home see my dogs. And I

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Speaker 1: Let her see her dogs. It was a weird time.

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Speaker 1: Fight for the Future was a weird movement, still throwing

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Speaker 2: And so the cops they let you go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, turns out the whole power concedes nothing without a demand.

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Speaker 2: And I was at some of these protests. Jury of

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Speaker 2: in another one. I guess. So World War three twenty

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Speaker 1: Yeah, can't stop the signal.

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Speaker 2: I don't think most of our listeners are old enough

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Speaker 1: I'm sure the little don't call me AI robot in

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Speaker 1: their ears can help them get a firefly reference. Last,

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Speaker 2: Hey, ad, pivots are my job, Well, then go ahead.

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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes I look around this world and think

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Speaker 2: to myself, the Industrial Revolution and its consequences might just

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Speaker 2: have been a disaster for the human race. We used

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Speaker 2: I just book myself a vacation in Helsenborg, Sweden, the

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Speaker 2: largest de electrified region in the world, with its Vishnu

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Speaker 2: it'll be completely destroyed. Come on down to Helsenborg, where

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Speaker 2: the stars shine at night, Helsenborg, Come on over. Ironic

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Speaker 2: paraphrasing and industrial society and its future is not intended

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Speaker 2: to convey sympathy for the actions of Ted Kazinski. Do

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Speaker 2: and temporary guests of the Scandinavian Federation are required to

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Speaker 2: spend at least six hours per week in a volunteer position.

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Speaker 2: Not all volunteers are able to pick their form of service.

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Speaker 2: an otherwise industrial world, not proven to mitigate climate change,

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Speaker 2: no such thing as a climate haven, and natural disaster

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Speaker 2: to you by the Council for Unbroken Spaghetti. The Council

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Speaker 2: the Dino War, and there're so far successful fight to

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Speaker 2: of May and the first schematics for the Vishnu Shield

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Speaker 2: the Hunter Killer robots of the US counter Terrorism Force

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Speaker 2: are getting closer to our undisclosed location in eastern Washington.

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Speaker 2: Every week. You and me and Mia are binging old

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Speaker 2: to me who Mecca Ariana Grande is and why she's

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Speaker 1: Once we had them dialed in, we started telling everyone and.

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Speaker 2: That's when you knew we couldn't stay underground anymore. Fuck

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Speaker 2: no people needed to know. AWP's were killing literally millions

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Speaker 2: all of this is in the history books. But we

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Speaker 2: around the start of World War three point five two

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Speaker 1: Like, look, I'm the first shurtment. I was kind of

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the question. Honestly, the biggest part of it

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Speaker 1: Their job is life and death, and there is no

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Speaker 2: That all makes sense to me. I mean, the point

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Speaker 2: of Russia releasing those videos is to make us give

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Speaker 1: Morale's a terrainer struggle. I know it. You know it.

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Speaker 1: Cool Zone media knows it. The enemy, the nationalists, the fascists,

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Speaker 1: the necromancers, they want us to give up. Why because

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Speaker 1: they know that when we organize and we fight all together,

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Speaker 1: not one off attacks here and there. When we fight,

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Speaker 1: we win. We're winning all over the globe. There's never

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Speaker 1: been a worldwide civil war because there's never been a

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Speaker 1: worldwide revolution, and worldwide revolution has always been our best

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Speaker 1: chance at building a better world. We're building that world

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Speaker 1: right now. Are we building it out of bones?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? We are.

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Speaker 1: But one day all of the dead will just be

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Speaker 1: composts in memories, two of the most valuable things in

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Speaker 1: the world. That's all any of us will end up

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Speaker 1: as composts and memories. That's what we use to build

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Speaker 1: a better world. There are free territories everywhere now, and

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Speaker 1: there are going to be more until everyone is free.

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Speaker 2: Well, it'd be hard to follow that up with like

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Speaker 2: some lighthearted question about your favorite color. So I want

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Speaker 2: to thank you for your time and thank you for

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Speaker 2: breaking the silence on that for sure. Anyway, thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for coming on the show. Of course. Do

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Speaker 2: you have anything you want to plug?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just don't follow for a nationalist from papaganda and

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Speaker 1: put your dog or diner or whatever animal keeps you company.

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Speaker 1: Also support your local mu Julia groups.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you so much. That has been general

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Speaker 2: Sophie Lichterman.

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