WEBVTT - Let's Talk About Thalidomide 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:08.840 To welcome bastards behind people bad about talk Evans Robert host, 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:15.480 Hello boy, Sophie, I forgot the order of words go 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:18.880 into and sentences briefly. That was wonderful. Um, I think 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:20.400 people will get the gist of it. I think all 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:22.919 you need is to present the proper words and the 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:26.079 order doesn't really matter. This is like a do it 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:29.360 yourself podcast. I just I throw the words at you. 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:31.760 You you line them up right. Why do you think 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:35.239 Yoda is so popular? That's exactly what I was going for, Sophie. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:40.280 Is Yoda? And like Yoda, I also train child soldiers. 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:45.960 I know, I've met Harrison Well. Their little hands can 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:49.400 reach into the hard to reach places of a rifle, um, 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:51.960 which makes it a lot easier for them to do maintenance. Look, 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:54.639 this isn't a podcast about white child soldiers are such 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:56.480 a good idea. This is a podcast about the worst 0:00:56.480 --> 0:01:00.480 people in all of history and today. My guess is 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:07.639 Francesca if yeah right, yeah, Francesca. I was on your show, 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.120 which is which is has both a pod and a 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:14.119 video component. Yes, and I apologize for that. I I 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:16.800 like forced you to turn on your camera, but yeah, 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:20.039 Roberts rushed it. It was It was rough, you know, 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.440 seeing actually seeing your face. I don't people, I don't 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:27.040 know if people are ready for just how like Disney 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:31.360 Prince handsome you are, like, uh, that's a very nice 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:37.160 way to say perpetually hungover. Thank you? Yeah yeah yeah yeah, 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.400 and like you know, in a punk rock like Disney 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:43.000 Prince but punk rock. Um yeah. That was the Bituation 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.440 Room podcast. Everyone should check that out. And Robert was 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:48.480 great and it was a great podcast. I had a 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.160 lot of fun on it. Um And today we're gonna 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:54.680 be bitch you wastioning about well, something else I want 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.760 to keep. I want to actually keep the the exact 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.520 topic of today's podcast a secret and tell the big 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.400 reveal because it's gonna be it's gonna be a good time. 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:09.360 Um not. How do you feel about babies? I feel 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.440 like I've been asking that a lot. I don't know. 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.440 I don't like where this is going already. Alright, alright, 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:17.239 let me ask it easier question. How do you feel 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:24.279 about Nazis? Oh? Bad, there you go, Nazis are bad. Nazis, Uh, 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:28.919 you know, just cutting edge, maybe a little too much, so, yeah, 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:33.440 definitely too much cutting. That's fair to say about Nazi doctors. Um, 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.400 this is a fun one because we're talking about Nazi doctors. 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:38.639 But the most of what we're talking about a curse 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:44.480 in like the nineteen sixties. So you're gonna have a 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:46.040 good time with this one. You're gonna have a really 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:49.320 good time with It's almost like there. They never suffered 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:53.320 the full consequences of their crimes against humanity, and that 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:58.760 is able to scatter throughout the world and keep on genociding. 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.200 So that is a big aspect of what we're talking 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.600 about now. I'm going to guess you and most of 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:05.800 our listeners are broadly familiar with the story of a 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:09.600 doctor named Joseph Mangola who was one of the worst, 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.080 maybe the worst doctor there's ever been. He was the 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.480 chief physician at Birkenau, which was a subcamp of Auschwitz 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:19.000 UH and Mangela carried out selections, which meant he was 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:20.640 part one of his jobs. He was one of a 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:22.920 number of doctors who would determine who would go on 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:25.160 to do labor at the camp and who would be 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:28.440 killed immediately. Um. And he liked doing selections because he 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.239 also got to pick out people who he thought would 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.480 be most useful for the medical experiments that he was 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.000 carrying out, and that mostly meant picking out twins. He 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.040 had a whole thing for twins. It is weird. Um, 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:41.839 we will talk about Mangela one of these days. It's 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:45.040 like a grim singled out. Remember that show from the 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:49.160 Jesus No, He's like you was twins? Um. I mean 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:51.960 in some instances they did throw twins on there. It 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:53.960 was more of a dating game, which I know that 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:58.600 that Auschwitz was not about so alsotionately. If they had 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:02.680 just sort of recon figured it to be about life 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.120 and love and not you know, death, Um, you know, 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:08.920 maybe uh, it could have been had something there. I mean. 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.600 The horrible thing is that if you look at pictures 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:14.880 of Dr Mangola from the Holocaust era, he does not 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:18.360 look like you would expect. Um. He absolutely does not 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.000 look like you know, some of the Dazzis have that 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:24.440 have that strong war criminal vibe to them. To Mangola, 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:28.159 Mingola looks like aggressively normal, to the point where it's 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:31.320 it's actually deeply unsettling. I do stand up comedy, so 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:35.880 I'm surrounded by a very very sweet faced boys. You're like, wait, 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:40.000 you showed your junk to whom? Yeah, exactly Mingola would 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.640 have killed in the l A stand up scenes, by 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:49.559 which I mean that like swoop back hair situation. Yeah, 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:53.560 you wouldn't call him as doctor death um, although maybe 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.400 you would because it's always the aggressively normal looking guys. 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.800 So Mangola is particularly famous because the experiments he can 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.680 did on twins were so garishly vile. He would amputate 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.080 like one twins limb, or infect one twin with the 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.120 disease to see if it would transfer to the other 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:10.159 in some way. At one point he killed fourteen twins 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.720 in a single night by injecting their hearts with chloroform. 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.000 He would also inject die into the eye color of 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:17.880 one twin to see if it would change the color 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.520 and the other twins eyes, just like Eli Roth style 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:25.360 batshit nonsense like people talk about like well, you'll hear 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:27.760 sometimes from people who have not studied the Holocaust enough 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:29.600 like well, you know it was horrible, but they did 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:31.680 get some like useful medical data out of it. Was 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:33.640 like no, it's almost all nonsense, Like it was just 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:39.120 people doing like like like completely bug fuck pointless shit. Yeah, 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:42.640 it's deputizing like a thirteen year old kid with just 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.279 all the hormones, like just like trying to hook up 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.840 a rat to a balloon and seeing how high it goes. 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.400 And then yeah, it was like all the kids who 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:52.159 someone should have come to them when they were eleven 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:56.440 years old and like, uh like torturing cats, and instead 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:58.880 you give them like complete control over the life and 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.240 death of thousands at a work camp. It's it was 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:05.560 pretty bad, is what I'm saying about the Holocaust. That's awful. 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:08.760 And and and I know you've had Matt Leeban who 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:12.919 is my boyfriend, and he is actually a fraternal twin, 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:15.720 and uh so I wish he was on his talk 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.520 a little bit about this. But um, as he says 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:21.000 on stage in a joke, you know, he cannot feel 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:27.719 his twin sisters orgasms. So, uh no, you can't feel 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.080 you might you might get you're sensitive to your twin, 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:32.920 but you can't feel their pain. Yeah, And you could 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.560 have asked them that as opposed to injecting die into 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:39.840 their eyes to see if that did something, my God like, 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:43.000 and there's the baby's a crying. Yeah, that's what babies do. 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:47.000 Also they're in prison. Yeah, yeah, you've taken them from 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:50.479 their parents. Mangela. This isn't really useful data. So Mangola 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:52.880 deserves his infamy. Obviously he's the most famous of the 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.279 Naxi Nazi doctors, but there were actually a shipload of 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.040 doctors necessary to keep the third Reichs machinery of death 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:01.400 humming along. For one thing, under like the rules the 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:05.320 Nazis established for the concentration camps, well for the death camps, 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.839 only doctors could actually deploy ziclon B into the gas chambers. 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.240 Every time gas was deployed into a chamber, it was 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.840 done by it by a physician. Um. That was like 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:18.400 one of the rules that they stuck to very diligently. 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:20.720 A great number of doctors were also involved in the 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:24.680 Holocaust through pharmaceutical giant I G. Farbon Um. Who are 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.120 the people who make aspirin they've turned into, I mean, 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.560 one of the things they've turned into now is bear um. 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:31.880 And one of the doctors who worked at IG Farban 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:36.280 was a fellow named Otto Ambrose. Now Dr Ambrose had 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.440 risen through the ranks of the company during the early 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:41.400 Nazi years, and from nineteen forty one he headed up 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.320 their search for a site to put new to put 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.400 in new synthetic rubber and fuel plants. They settled on 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.840 a Polish town named austwit Came, which became the site 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.640 for Auschwitz aswiki and I guess is the the Polish 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:56.080 version of the name Auschwitz. So IG Farban liked Auschwitz 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.760 as a site because the s S was already building 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:01.960 a amp there, and the s S agreed to give 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:05.040 them slave labor to help run their chemical plants. Construction 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.400 started in forty one. Auto Ambrose helped oversee this process 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.960 and managed the factory through the war years. I G. 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.400 Farban would rent Jewish slaves from the s S for 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:16.720 three marks per day, four marks if the worker was skilled. Uh. 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.520 In nineteen forty one, dr Ambrose wrote to the I. G. 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.120 Farban board, our new friendship with the s S is 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:26.080 proving very beneficial, so high ranking. So so are they 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:30.880 are we building chemical plants to eventually do bad things 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.400 to our own people? Like is it? Like a number 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:36.320 of things. So the plants, specifically that Ambrose is working, 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:40.160 they're attempting to because obviously Germany not great unnatural resources, right, 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.120 That's why all of German history has been the way 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:45.320 that it is so by hate, that's the main Yeah, 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:50.040 and J K. Obviously, Angela, You're fine. So they're trying 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.679 to make uh, synthetic rubber because they need rubber, but 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:55.640 they don't have access to the actual raw material that 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.040 makes rubber. Most of that comes from Africa in this period. 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:01.000 And they're also trying to make synthetic gasoline because they 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:02.800 need to be able to move their vehicles. But Germany 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:04.880 does not have a lot of like in the territory 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:06.800 they've conquered, doesn't have a lot of fuel. So that's 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:08.480 part of what they're doing, trying to keep the war 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:11.560 machine going. The other thing that the Nazis are trying 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:15.280 to make at Auschwitz is sarah nerve gas, and dr 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.360 Ambrose is one member of a team of four that 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:20.280 vince sarah nerve gas, which is one of the deadliest 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.960 nerve gases ever. And that's so they're they're making a 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:27.120 mix of horrible chemical weapons UH and attempting to make 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:30.240 different synthetic chemicals to allow the Nazi war machine to continue. 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:34.800 They're amazing, it's gonna go in some surprising directions though, 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.719 so high ranking I G. Farm employees at Auschwitz, like 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.120 dr Ambrose, were allowed to purchase clothing that had been 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.959 stolen from the people who were gassed, and the reason 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:44.480 that this was a good deal for them was that 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:46.840 Jews and other victims of the Holocaust were generally not 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:48.800 told they were head to do the death camp, and 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.320 they were just told they were being uh, they were migrating, 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.960 they were being forcibly migrated. So they would generally wear 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.839 their finest clothing because obviously you don't know if all 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:58.640 of your luggage is gonna make it, You're gonna wear 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:00.480 the best stuff you have so that you at least 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.720 have it when you arrive at your new home. So 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.559 a lot of times they're gassed in the finest clothing 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:07.720 that they have access to, and then it's taken from 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:09.920 their bodies and people like Dr Ambrose get to pick 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:15.600 through it. That is the smallest but cruelest detail and 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:19.840 the most insignificant part of Holocaust and death camps, but 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:24.000 also such an annoying fuck you, Like that was my 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:29.040 mom's necklace, that was my finest, like channel whatever jacket, 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.000 and you're just gonna that's not okay, No, it's all 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:37.200 I mean, it's the Holocaust. It's all pretty bad. Yeah, 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:39.720 I guess that's a good point. Yeah, it's a pretty 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:43.800 good life. Though working at Auschwitz as an ig Farban manager. Unfortunately, 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.960 the factory produced basically nothing of value from the Nazi 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:50.160 war machine. Again, one of the overwhelming themes here is 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:52.720 that like they were bad at a lot of this stuff. 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.319 Like this is like people over emphasized because the History 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:58.840 Channel has done a million documentaries and like crazy Nazi 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:01.800 weapons and Nazi say they fucked up more than they 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.520 got things right, um, which is part of why they 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:08.160 lost the war. Um. Yeah, that's why I think it's 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:10.360 so messed up because there is lower Like I think 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:14.080 anyone who's that into Nazi and and Nazism and the 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:17.559 Third Reich and is like a little bit a little 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:19.600 bit of a fanboy or girl, And I always like 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:23.679 that line is so thin and weird. But like over 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:28.239 inflating just how like amazing their medical you know, um, 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:33.360 like innovations were. It's like, no, they were injecting children 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.880 with chlora what at chloro form? Chloroform was one of 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.040 the things they ejected children with, yeah, like and and 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.360 found out nothing. Yeah, they got nothing out of that, 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:44.760 I mean, and they had like a lot of their 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.720 fucking their super weapons was just like huge wastes of 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.959 resources that would have been better spent towards making I 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:54.760 don't know, uh, not very sexy, but incredibly effective medium 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:56.800 tank like the T thirty four that would have allowed 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.680 them to you know, actually have more armor on the 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.880 back like they were. Like, I'm a member of a 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:06.040 very awkward group of people which are German history, military 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.439 history and nerds who also have to repeat. But I'm 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:14.120 not like in that way. Um So, in early nineteen 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.520 forty five, the I G. Farban facility ash which was 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.360 abandoned after heavy US bombing. And this is actually where 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.280 Primo Levy, if you know anything about Primo Levy he is. 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:26.360 He survives Auschwitz because he gets gets a gig working. 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.080 He's a lab technician basically, and he gets a gig 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:30.839 working in the IG Farban lab. But he's able to 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:34.480 hide when they when they flee. Dr Ambrose, though, escapes 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.600 the Russian army with the German soldiers who flee Auschwitz. 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.280 Um and these soldiers take as many of their remaining 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.400 prisoners as possible and lead them on a death march 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.200 through the Polish winter just to try to get rid 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.599 of the rest of them. When the war ended and 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.000 the camps were liberated, the role of ig Farban and 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:53.280 doctors like Ambrose and Mangela became clearer in NIVE. After 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.760 Germany sued for peace, the Allied Command utterly dismantled German 0:12:56.800 --> 0:13:00.000 industry and put what remained under its authority. The stage 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.400 intent was quote to render impossible any future threat to 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.960 Germany's neighbors or to world peace. Um and I guess 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:12.760 broadly you could say that was done well Germany. Great podcast, sir, Robert, 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:16.719 I've really enjoyed myself. Of war we did, and all 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:22.240 the bad people face consequences. Anyhow, what's this podcast again? Yeah? Unfortunately, 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.520 as soon as they figured out dealt with that Nazi 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:27.640 threat to world peace, a new threat to world peace 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.160 presented itself, which was that the U S and the 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:34.240 U S s R we're just just just just rubbing 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:36.920 their dicks in anticipation of getting to kill each other, 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:40.640 particularly the US. At this point, um and hawks within 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.680 capitalist nations started agitating and preparing for a war against 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.760 communist Russia as soon as the one against Germany ended, 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.800 And it was decided by these guys that fully liquidating 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.480 German industry would be a bad idea since most of 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:54.880 that industry lay within the zone of Allied control, and 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:56.400 they might need to use it for the next war. 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:58.760 This is the same reason why a lot of German 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.800 military leaders don't get punished to the extent that they 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.080 should is there's this understanding like, well, these guys fought 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.240 the Soviets. We're about to fight the Soviets, so who 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:11.160 cares if they presided over a couple hundred thousand executions 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:14.840 in Poland or whatever? You know, we need this guy, um, 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.880 I mean, and therein lies the hypocrisy of war. Hey, 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:21.360 they're good at mass murder. We might need them for 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:23.760 we might need to murder some people. Yeah, one of 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:25.280 I think one of the I mean, there's a number, 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.200 and it happens on all sides, not just the United 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.720 Like the United States and Russia both we're gonna talk 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:31.640 about this a bit. Both take a lot of Nazis 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:35.640 to use. But like France does it, um, Britain does it, 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:39.320 like fucking Norway does it, Like everybody's It's like the 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:42.800 beanie babies of Nazis moment, like gotta call it them 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.720 all and like you have like the doctor and then 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:49.920 you get like the mad scientists at running factories. Yeah exactly. 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.280 It's like a fucking it's like a rummage sale at 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:54.360 the end of the third Reich, like, who needs an 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:58.960 expert with questionable morality? Everyone? It turns out that's what 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:02.200 states do. UM. I think the most offense, one of 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:04.400 the most probably the most defensive example to me, would 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:08.440 be Albert Speer, who was like Hitler's Hitler fucking loved 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:11.760 this dude. By kind of the end of Hitler's life. 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:15.000 Speer was his favorite Nazi and Albert Speer was an architect, 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.760 which Hitler always wanted to be, and if he had 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:19.760 probably could have been a decent architect. A lot of 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:21.640 people say if he'd focused on the instead art school, 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.640 But anyway, Hitler fucking loved architecture, loved Albert Speer. Spear 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:26.720 would like make all these grand designs for like how 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.120 how the German Reich was going to look after the war. 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.640 Spear was also the head of War Production UM and 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.000 the head, as a result of that, the head of 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.560 the Nazi like slave labor program. He was. He was 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:40.440 the one organizing where the slaves were going to make 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.880 Nazi war production possible. Committed a lot of crimes against 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.920 humanity that all got whitewashed and covered up because we 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:51.320 decided we wanted Albert Spear's help planning our industrial economy 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:56.000 in order to help fight the Soviets really hard. Yeah, yeah, exactly, 0:15:56.120 --> 0:16:02.840 great guy, Albert Spier. Um, I'm assuming. In nineteen forty seven, 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.480 the Allied governments began a series of war crimes trials 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.080 for twenty four directors and senior employees of IG Farban. 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:10.640 Dr Ambrose was one of those men. He was sentenced 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:13.000 to eight years in prison from mass murder and slavery, 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:16.080 which seems light to me. I don't know, like eight 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:19.000 years for mass murder and slavery kind of seems like 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.720 maybe not enough, Like like I think I know people 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:24.920 who got busted with Pott who did more than eight years, 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.480 and I feel like slavery is a worse crime. I 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:32.280 don't know. I'm back seat Nuremberg in here. Um, you're no, 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.800 you're absolutely that that that's like, you know, we could 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:41.520 use him in five and get down four. Yeah. So 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.280 he was one of thirteen IG farbanmen who were convicted, 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:46.760 and by nineteen fifty one he was released from prison 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.400 like four years early. Uh. He was the beneficiary of 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:51.600 a clemency grant so he could contribute to a build 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.560 up of European industry in order to oppose the USSR, 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:56.240 and I want to quote from a write up about 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:59.920 this by the International Oncology Networks magazine, quote there are 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:02.680 Recruitment of these experts was sanctioned by the US Joint 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:06.080 Chiefs of Staff, who approved the systematic exploitation of scientific 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:09.159 and technical knowledge developed in Nazi Germany in a classified 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:13.000 memorandum titled Exploitation of German Scientists and Science and Technology 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.639 in the United States. They described these men as chosen 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:19.520 rare minds whose continuing intellectual productivity we which wished to use. 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.280 And while the Soviet Union also worked hard in acquiring 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.280 German expertise with the emerging Cold War, US Joint Chiefs 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.520 of Staff supported every effort designed to guarantee that intellectual 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:32.080 spoils were not to fall into Soviet hands. Hence, after 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.920 defeating Nazi Germany in nineteen forty five Operation Overcast later 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.679 renamed Operation paper Clip, more than sixteen hundred Nazi Germans 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.359 were secretly recruited to develop armaments at a feverish and 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:45.399 paranoid pace that came to define the Cold War. In addition, 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:47.879 America sent hundreds of experts to Germany to guide the 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:51.040 transfer of scientific and technical knowledge back to the United States. 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:53.919 And with this transfer of scientific and technical knowledge, a 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:58.119 large number of chosen Nazi scientists migrated to the United States. Others, however, 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.560 remained in Germany, where they were ultimately recruited by German companies. 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:05.040 You know, sometimes, um, most of us, when we fail, 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:08.399 we actually you know, fail uh, and we have to 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.159 suffer the consequences. Others others just fail up. And I 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:14.000 feel like Nazis man they really knew how to fail up, 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:17.480 and other people helped them. Yeah. I think the best 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:19.639 known example of this was vern von Brown, who was 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:23.480 probably the single man most responsible for the the US 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:27.000 moon landing. UM. He was the guy who designed our rockets. 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.000 He was the head of like a bunch of ship 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:32.240 at Nasa UM. He also designed the V two rockets 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:35.120 that were fired blindly at civilian targets in the uk. 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.520 UM real piece of ship used slave labor to make 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:40.399 a lot of rockets under the Germans. There is a 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:42.840 great Verner von Brown's song against him that includes the 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:44.800 line when the missiles go up, who knows where they 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.639 come down? That's not my department, says Verner von Brown, 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:52.119 good little song, real piece of shit. So this is 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:53.680 you know what it reminds me of, Like there's a 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:55.879 song that you learn in grade school called like dirt 0:18:56.240 --> 0:19:00.920 made my lunch. Dirt made my lunch. Thank you Dirt. 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.440 Thanks a bunch for my salad. I'm a sandwich and 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.720 my milk my lunch. Thank Anyway, the point is I 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:11.040 feel like it's like Nazis made my launch. Nazis made 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:15.480 my launch. Thank you Nazis. You're fucking the worst. But 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:17.760 a bunch of technology. I mean, this is you know what. 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:21.439 I'm sorry not to make this like super like politicize this, 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:25.760 but I feel like you kind of see and I'm 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:27.880 not drawing a one to one here, and I'm gonna 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:29.440 get a lot of blowback for this, but you can 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.439 edit this out. No, But I feel like when you 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:37.800 talk about, you know, opposing the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory, 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:41.159 a lot of people will be like, Israeli's have you know, 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:44.600 Israeli technology has done a lot and you're like, so, 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:46.880 you know what I mean, Like these things are like 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:52.840 sort of unrelated um and have cool technology and not 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:58.760 an ethnic cleansing exactly exactly. Like, presumably those scientists could 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:00.959 be doing the same work in a state that was not, 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:05.679 i don't know, allowing armed settlers to gun down unarmed Palestinians. 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.000 It was one example, but there's a lot of examples. 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:10.520 For example, you could have a guy making sweet ass 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.760 rockets and not using giant slave labor camps in order 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:16.080 to build them. All of these things are possible. It's 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:19.399 like the United States could have landed a man on 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:23.680 the moon without rehabilitating a Nazi war criminal. Um. All 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:26.640 sorts of things are possible without doing the terrible things 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:28.280 that come with them. We just choose to do the 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.960 terrible things because it's easier and we're lazy. But also, like, 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:35.199 what about locking them up If they have like great 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:39.720 like if they have incredible um skill and and and knowledge, 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.919 you can still lock them up. They can work from prison, 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:46.200 they can work from there. They'll produce the blueprints, you know, 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:50.399 but they are under like they are not free. Was 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:53.360 that never explored? No? No, no, no, no, you want 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:55.680 them you want to keep them happy. Um, I don't 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:57.679 know they I think they should have all been shot 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:00.240 is kind of my attitude. I'm a big cow puittal 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:02.960 punishment for members of the Third Reich kind of guy 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:07.879 um So. The most enthusiastic of the of German companies 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:11.760 when it came to hiring old Nazi war criminals was Grunental. Now, 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.720 when the International Criminal Court went after I. G. Farbanu, 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:17.280