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Speaker 1: Hasan joining us right now on foul Territory. He's the

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Speaker 1: writer and director of Who Killed the Montreal expos It's

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Speaker 1: now available on Netflix. Wow, good timing there to put

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Speaker 1: this out. I know it's twenty years so that's part

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Speaker 1: of it. But baseball is kind of a big deal

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Speaker 1: in Canada right now.

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Speaker 2: How you doing. I'm good. And yesterday I think is amazing.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't have think of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, incredible, and we all watched it. I watched it

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Speaker 1: late last night. I really enjoyed it. It's a great

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Speaker 1: ninety minute. We have plenty of questions. I'm actually going

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Speaker 1: to start this way because it was turbulent times. I

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Speaker 1: want to bring you into this. The Minnesota Twins went

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Speaker 1: through all kinds of crap during your time period. It

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Speaker 1: was the same stuff with retraction, right contraction or contraction, contraction, contraction, retraction.

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Speaker 1: But give him your perspective here because this will help

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Speaker 3: So Jean called. I watched this and having been on

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Speaker 3: the Twins at the same time, it was a kind

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Speaker 3: of the same thing with the Twins. We need a

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Speaker 3: new stadium. We can't survive where we are. Oh and

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Speaker 3: then Major League Baseball came up with this excuse my language,

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Speaker 3: freaking brilliant idea, let's just get rid of two teams,

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Speaker 3: and one of them was the Exposed and one of

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Speaker 3: them was supposed to be the Twins. So every day,

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Speaker 3: I think it was the two thousand and one offseason,

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Speaker 3: were trying to get rid of these two teams. For note,

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Speaker 3: now everyone wants to add teams. At the time, they

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Speaker 3: to make it work. And what I got from this

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Speaker 3: documentary was it wasn't one person that killed the Expos.

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Speaker 3: It was a really lot of bad decisions by not

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Speaker 3: only the people with the exposed, people in Major League Baseball,

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Speaker 3: the Lauria Sampson, the poor one bore guy Brushaw Bruce

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Speaker 3: Saw felt so bad for that guy. But this contraction

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Speaker 3: thing was it was unbelievable that they were even thinking about.

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Speaker 3: We went on and won the division and save Baseball

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Speaker 3: Minnesota and the Expos sadly never had that opportunity because

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Speaker 3: of ninety four, because of ninety four with the strike.

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Speaker 3: But to me, it's like, man, I felt it just

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Speaker 3: through this kind of with the expos at the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's relevant for every cities that lost the

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Speaker 2: I remember this this a contraction thing. I think it was.

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Speaker 2: It was a way to push cities to just build

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Speaker 1: Hey, I want to go to one of the pressing

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Speaker 1: questions in the dock And obviously the story already exists.

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Speaker 1: You're just taking us inside of it. But part of

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Speaker 1: it has to do with figuring out who the number

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Speaker 1: of people within the documentary. Do you have an opinion, like,

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Speaker 1: do you think that there's one person? David Samson kind

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Speaker 1: moment to find everything. Okay, that's fine, but is there

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Speaker 1: Like it could be the commissioner could be Bud Selig

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Speaker 1: because he was part of the ninety four strike. And

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Speaker 1: if there's no ninety four strike, maybe the experts make

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Speaker 2: mostly the businessmen in Quebec because they could have done something,

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Speaker 2: put some money. I know it was hard. I know

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Speaker 2: Of course, of course everybody here blames them, and that's

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Speaker 1: Jean Fartois. I thought it was really cool to get

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Speaker 1: There were some stories that came out like, oh, he's

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Speaker 1: So how do you think he was perceived in this?

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Speaker 1: And what was it like working with him on it?

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Speaker 2: For me anyway, I knew he was aided in Kibet,

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Speaker 3: The one guy I feel sorry for. I never feel

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Speaker 3: they sold the team, they got the Marlins, Max MLB

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Speaker 2: Thank you, because because you know, a lot of people

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Speaker 2: I don't know. This is a hard question. I don't

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Speaker 2: Is there enough money here to maybe a big company.

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Speaker 2: It would work. But now me, for me personally, I

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask you one serious question, and I want

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Speaker 3: Thanks to MLB. What did they have to approve? And

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Speaker 3: How did they get money from this? Do they did

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Speaker 4: How were they involved?

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Speaker 2: So didn't they didn't paid us at all. We obviously

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Speaker 3: to hear. Now, before I let you go. You mentioned Yupie. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So he he didn't leave, he stayed and they just

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Speaker 3: But are the are the Are the Expo fans rooting

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's kind of both because I can

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Speaker 1: It really is. You can't get me any better.

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Speaker 3: One of my big regrets of my career is I

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Speaker 2: You gotta go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's too cold right now, though, I have to

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Speaker 1: The summer summer, and.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. Maybe the sequel is the raves

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