WEBVTT - #524 Packers Unscripted: Wrapping up the roster 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:15.520 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted Social 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:18.759 Distancing Style from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:23.000 joined as always by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkowitz. Were 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:26.160 coming to you from our humble abodes, where my hair 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:30.040 has not gotten any shorter. But west, your beard is gone, 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:34.040 My friend, what happened over the weekend? I lost a bet? No, Okay, yeah, 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:36.080 I know it was funny. So a couple of things. 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.920 One um, we have been practicing proper social distancing, so 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:42.120 when I'm out in public, I've actually been wearing a mask. Now. 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.120 The beard was getting really itchy and it was annoying 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:48.440 to me, so I shaved that off. My favorite story, though, 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:50.440 is the fact that my mother, who has been watching 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:52.440 Unscripted and been checking some of the stuff out, not 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:54.480 a huge fan of the beard. I actually had to 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:56.320 go over to my parents house to pick up my 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:58.560 Scottie Pippen jersey because I wanted to wear it for 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.720 the last dance on Sunday and I had shaved uh 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:04.399 and she was through the moon about it and she 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:08.120 loved it. She was she so happy. So here I 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:11.120 am clean shaven again. Will mix it up you know, 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:12.959 as long as I'm not able to go to a barber, 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:14.600 I'm not able to go out to the grocery store 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:16.640 as much as I want to and keep forgetting to buy, 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.479 you know, actual shaving cream. I'm sure it'll come back 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:22.319 at some point and maha it will be disappointed, all right. Well, 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:24.920 as long as we can keep Mahad happy in the interim, 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:27.880 we'll we'll go for that. Well, we're going to continue 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:32.400 our draft preview series as we review the positions on 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.119 the Packers roster heading into the draft, which is only 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:37.959 a few days away now. And today we're going to 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:42.680 tackle the linebackers and defensive backs and west. When you 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:46.800 look at the Packers linebacking corps, I said this in 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:50.280 the written piece that has sort of been the companion 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:54.200 written pieces to our series here on Packer's unscripted Position 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:58.120 by position, it's sort of been a two year overhaul 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:00.800 of the linebacking corps for the Packs. Last year it 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:03.880 was all about the outside linebackers. He signs the Darius 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.240 Smith and Preston Smith your draft Shawn Gary in the 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:09.600 first round. That position group gets an entire overhaul. Now 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:13.400 it's the inside linebackers. Blake Martinez has gone, Christian Kirksey 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:15.880 has been signed, and there's a lot of talk about 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:20.600 just how high the Packers might select another inside linebacker 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:24.560 to potentially pair with Kirksey to have a duo there 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:26.720 in the middle of the defense. Yeah, and that is 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:29.200 gonna be there. They're two biggest questions I have going 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.120 in this draft is how the Packers are going to 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.639 approach inside linebacker because I think there are a lot 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:36.840 of dominoes that fall into effect with Okay, if they 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:40.040 want to play nickel defense, true traditional nickel defense more 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:43.440 in two thousand twenty, you probably need another inside linebacker 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:45.680 there to compete with Orange Burks for that job and 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.040 also to have some more depth at that position. So 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.720 seeing exactly where they fit and where they stand on 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:54.600 hybrid linebacker or traditional inside linebacker, that's a question still 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:56.359 has to be answered because Ibraheim Campbell is still on 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:59.160 the market as well. Certainly you have you know, Raven 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:00.880 Green there if they want to go of that that route. 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:04.880 So that's number one. Number two is what type of 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.959 inside linebacker would you be looking for? And this draft 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:09.919 has all of them. When you look at Zack Bond, 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.200 the toy linebacker as one team called him at the 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.120 NFL combine. He's a guy that I think fits that 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.800 mold of that Clay Matthews type a little bit where 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:21.160 you can rush him, you can have him play coverage. 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:27.120 He presents every potential avenue to really exercise his versatility. 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.040 If you want to be more creative in that spot, 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.360 then you have your tried and true guys like Kenneth Murray, 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.080 like Patrick Queen out of l s U. Both of 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.400 those guys that have been kind of shifted. You know, 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:41.040 they aren't the biggest inside linebackers, but they're quick. I 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:43.880 feel like you go back Mike nine years ago two 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:45.880 when a j Hawks started to take some weight off 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:47.520 of his body because he knew he needed to get 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:49.840 faster at that spot. He knew he needed to be 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.160 able to be more in the coverage side of things. 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:54.760 And we've never really moved back towards that of the 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:58.520 two pound inside linebacker as far as if you want 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:00.840 to play three downs, you've gotta be lights. So all 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.440 three of those young guys are very enticing. But the 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.880 nice thing is for Brian goudakunts what he did by 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.360 getting Christian Kirksey. The Packers do have a guy there 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.640 who's still relatively young and has played that position, has 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.920 been the communicator in that defense before, so that you 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.960 don't necessarily have to go first round if they decided 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.240 to hold off on that. Yeah, And I think it's 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:24.520 interesting where the Packers are depth wise at that position 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:27.039 you mentioned or in. Burke's a third round pick a 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.560 couple of years ago. He's now entering his third season, 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.239 and each of his first two years in training camp, 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:36.200 you're seeing some promise, You're seeing him potentially cart try 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:37.839 to carve out a role for himself, and then he 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.960 gets injured. He's had training camp injuries each of his 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.040 first two years that have really set him back. And 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:45.599 you know how it goes west. If you start missing 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.680 preseason games, then once you get into the regular season 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:51.280 the pads are only on once a week in practice, 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:55.440 it's really hard to regain that lost time. And I 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.240 think that is something that has affected Burke's his first 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.039 two years. So he'll be looking to stay healthy and 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:04.200 and make his run at a role on this defense. 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:07.320 And then you have Curtis Bolton, undrafted a year ago 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:10.279 out of Oklahoma. He was the guy who was looking 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.800 like he would be the starter next to Blake Martinez 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.520 after or and Burke's got hurt in training camp last year. 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:18.960 But then Bolton got hurt, he blew out his knee, 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.800 his he was gone for the season. He's another guy 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.640 who is on the roster coming back obviously, you know, 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:27.440 we'll see what happens with coming back from a significant 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.880 injury like that. So the Packers have some options there, 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:34.440 but yet they're completely unproven. And as you said, when 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:36.600 you look at these guys at the top of the draft, 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.599 at the position now, Isaiah Simmons is from Clemson. He's 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:42.640 the guy. He's a top five pick, all right, And 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:44.880 all these Packer fans who are wondering what would it 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:46.920 take for the Packers to trade up from thirty, Well, 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.000 you'd have to trade the entire draft. You'd have to 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:51.440 pull a Mike Ditker Ricky Williams draft in order to 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:53.880 get Isaiah Simmons. So just throw that out there. That's 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:57.279 not gonna happen. But you mentioned Kenneth Murray, Patrick Queen 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:00.479 or your traditional what are now becoming the tradition three 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.479 down inside linebackers. I don't know if either one of 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.680 those guys will be available for the Packers at thirty, 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:10.320 but we'll see. And then Zach Bonn. Bonn is so 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.400 interesting because he was essentially a pass rusher and outside 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:17.400 linebacker at Wisconsin, extremely productive. But then a lot of 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.920 NFL scouts talking about, Hey, this guy can play off 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.080 the ball, he can play in coverage, he could play 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:25.520 an inside linebacker role. But how I have a pick 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.040 do you you use on a guy who would essentially 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:31.599 be making a significant transition like that. I think that's 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:35.599 a question for teams to try to answer, and and 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:37.640 you know, maybe maybe that's a question the Packers are 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:41.080 gonna be pondering themselves. So, um, we'll see how this Uh, 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:43.240 we'll see how this shakes out. But I do think 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:45.280 by the end of the draft, the Packers are going 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:49.240 to have another guy in the mix at inside linebacker 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:53.279 with Burkes and Bolton and Kirksey in that competition to 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.080 see to see what happens come. Yeah, a lot of 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:57.720 that has been made Mike, of the Packers in the 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.320 inside linebacker situation and if they want to invest to 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.599 high pick into it or what their commitment is to 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:06.000 that spot. I haven't been as excited about an inside 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:09.560 linebacker class since two thousand and fourteen. Where you had C. J. 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.800 Moseley and Ryan She'sier and these really dynamic players that 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.200 both turned out to be really good NFL football players 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:18.360 as well. And I see that similarity here. Maybe not 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.200 with a total you know, pedigree or prestige that they're 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.200 gonna be you know, top fifteen picks or top twenty picks, 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.720 but I still think you know, whether Murray or Queen 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:30.240 is there at thirty, you also have bond in that situation. 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:32.400 I think you're gonna get a field by the time 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:34.880 that this draft is over on Saturday night, where the 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:38.040 Packers feel they stand at inside linebacker. How much urgency 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.480 there there was to add another body to that room. 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:42.680 Because as you mentioned, or In Burks, I want to 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:44.239 put this out there, or In Burks is an NFL 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.520 football player. He is a solid special teams guy. The 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:49.720 question for him that he must answer is whether or 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.440 not he can be a starting defensive player in this league. 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.760 It's gonna be his objective right now. In Staying healthy 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.000 is a big part of that because the preseason games, 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:00.680 as you well know, those don't really matter that much. 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:02.600 It's the fact that he's been having to sit out 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.640 of those training camp practices those padded practices. When you 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:08.320 get fifteen eighteen of them, you want to be able 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.560 to maximize that opportunity. He hasn't been able to do that. 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.720 Tye Summers, the seventh round pick from last year. Summers 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:15.800 doesn't have the size of a lot of those inside backers, 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.040 but the guy can run and he's a pretty good athlete. 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.480 So Bolton Summers in in in Burkes. They give you options. 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:23.640 There is that number two, but I just feel like, 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.080 whether it is the first round, second round, or maybe 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:29.080 into that third day, bringing in another inside linebacker type 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.240 is gonna be really essential for this defense and being 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:33.680 able to really push that room and see who you 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.280 can have potentially step up next to Christian Kurtsey. Yeah, 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.480 I'm glad you mentioned Thy Summers too. I didn't mean 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.839 to ignore him, but certainly a seventh round pick who 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.160 made his mark as a rookie on special teams, he'll 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:45.520 be looking to take that next step forward in year 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:47.760 two of his NFL career. Like a lot of guys, 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:49.840 and before we move on to defensive backs, I don't 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:52.960 want to ignore outside linebackers completely. We mentioned the Packers 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:54.840 have the Smiths. They have Gary as a first round 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.680 pick from last year. Kyler factor the number four guy 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:01.200 in that rotation. He's gone. He left as a as 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.160 a free agent, so um, the Packers certainly could use 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:07.440 another outside linebacker. Randy Ramsey was a guy who's on 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.960 the practice squad last year, was an undrafted rookie year ago. 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.920 We'll see what happens with his development. I think the 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.839 Packers will add to that outside linebacker group, but based 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.079 on the other needs and everything they have elsewhere in 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:22.440 the draft, it's hard to envision them using a high 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:26.720 draft pick on an outside rusher the way they invested 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.280 so much in that position a year ago. Yeah, exactly. 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:31.199 And you've got to get Rashan Gary on the field more. 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.880 I think he played of the defensive snaps last season, 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:35.840 and a big reason for that is because of Kyler 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.719 Facral and in his ability to play coverage. I think 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:40.720 Fatral is gonna be a really good NFL football player. 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:42.679 I think he's gonna have a real opportunity in New 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:45.400 York to expand his horizons a little bit and maybe 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.240 use his skills on a more consistent basis. Because even 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:49.880 though he had that ten and a half sax season, 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:52.640 that's not Kyler Facral's game, Kyler Facral's game is that 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:53.920 he is going to be able to give you some 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.000 pass rush, but he's also gonna be able to play 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:59.000 a different, you know, type of linebacker role almost I 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.040 don't want to say poor man Clay Matthews, but in 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.520 that kind of vein where he can also play coverage 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:05.679 in addition to what he does on the line. So 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.360 the Packers probably need to replace that guy. But in 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.720 terms of the number of the backup role to the Smiths, 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.240 that guy has to be Rashan Gary. I just I 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:15.400 think you have to be able to get him on 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:18.280 the field because for as much of the narrative was, hey, 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:20.600 is Rashaan Gary doing enough as a first round pick, 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.160 I kept going back to I don't know if he's 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:25.080 really had the opportunities to show that he can do 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.640 much more than playing out of the dime, and I 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.400 think he's capable of that. I look at this guy 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.680 has having a very similar skill set to Darius Smith. 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:36.360 If you can get him going, if you can get 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:38.560 that second year jump from a guy that's still very 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:42.240 young man having that kind of change up to to 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.400 what Darius Smith does, that could really be a challenge. 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.160 For offensive lines throughout the NFL. Yeah, I'm totally with 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:51.079 you there. Well, moving on to defensive backs, it's interesting 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:52.840 West because in a lot of ways, I look at 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.079 the safety position much like the outside linebacker position. The 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.800 Packers did their overhaul of the position last year. He 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.880 signed Adrian Amos, and free agency, you traded up with 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.960 that second first round pick to get Darnell Savage. You 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:08.160 have your starting pair, and then you mentioned Raven Green 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:12.080 as sort of that third safety hybrid linebacker type. Ibrahem 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.640 Campbell was on the Packers last year. He's still available 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:18.120 on the free agent market as another option. So I'm 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:21.480 not sure how closely the Packers are looking at safeties 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.319 in terms of their their higher picks, you know, Day one, 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:28.400 Day two picks in this draft. But cornerback, that's another 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.400 situation because while the Packers really like what they have 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.480 obviously with JayR Alexander and Kevin King. As you're one 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.960 and two, Rmon Williams has not resigned with the Packers. 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:41.199 He's still out there. He's available on the free agent market. 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:45.240 Kevin King is going into his contract year. So while 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:48.880 the Packers have depth at cornerback, you you still have 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:53.679 Channon Sullivan. He was brought back. You have um excuse me. 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:55.920 Kadar Holman was a sixth round draft pick last year, 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.160 but very much an unknown because he didn't play a 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.800 whole lot on defense. The situation at cornerback, I think 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:04.240 the Packers are going to be looking at at some 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.120 guys in this draft because you just don't know what 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:09.280 will happen with King down the line and and things 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:12.200 with Tremont Williams. There's still a question mark at this point. Yeah, 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.200 we don't really know where things stand with Tremont Williams, 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:15.760 and at the time in which we're taping this, haven't 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:17.720 had a chance yet to talk to Brian Goodacunst as 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:19.679 far as what the direction they want to go with 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.720 that nickel cornerback position, because honestly, Mike, that's the biggest 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.600 opening right now in terms of maybe not having a 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:27.840 guy that's just stepping in there and could be the 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:32.080 presumptive starter. You mentioned Sullivan, you obviously mentioned Holman. Josh 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.400 Jackson fits into that as well. Uh, you know, the 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.600 former second round draft pick from two thousand and eighteen, 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:38.839 the other guy that was taken with jire Alexander. So 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:41.240 they do have options, But what do they want to 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:44.719 put in that role. Here's the position I'm looking at, though, 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:46.800 and it kind of blends between the two of them. 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:48.360 A guy that I keep going back to and I'm 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:50.000 gonna be writing about this week, and one of the 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:54.000 ten Trigging Prospects story I'm doing is Geno Stone from Iowa. 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:56.640 I really like this guy's makeup, and if you look 0:12:56.720 --> 0:13:00.120 at where the Packers have had success, it's been at 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.360 those hybrid types of you know, a guy that kind 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.080 of blurs the lines between cornerback and safety, and I 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:08.400 think Stone does that much like Micah Hye did. And 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:09.800 this is the guy that's probably gonna end up being 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.959 a Day two pick, maybe early Day three. I really 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:14.960 like his skills in terms of being a guy that 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:17.560 could potentially be a backup at safety but also play 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:21.120 that nickel star role. But getting back to your original point, 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:23.400 you do have Kevin King coming up on the last 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:25.080 year of his contract. You do want to have a 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:28.160 backup there as well for the outside perimeter guys, and 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:31.160 this is a sneaky good draft for finding that type 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:32.760 of guy. I think there are a lot of parallels 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:34.800 right now between the two thousand eighteen draft that the 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.880 Packers got Alexander from. In what we're looking at right 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:39.880 now with this two thousand and twenty group, a lot 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.200 of different body types, a lot of different skill sets, 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:44.880 and as much as you and I've talked about defensive 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.800 tackles and offensive tackles, that could be a sneaky pick 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:49.720 there for the Packers in the first two rounds if 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.640 they want to go to the cornerback round again. Yeah, 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:53.240 I agree with you and a couple other guys. We 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.200 definitely should mention second round draft pick from a couple 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.160 of years ago, Josh Jackson. We talked about the injuries 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.320 that or and Burke's had his first couple of years. 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:03.760 The same thing happened to Jackson last year's coming off 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.560 of a rookie season where you could see he was 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.239 working his way into a into a role on defense. 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:13.480 But then a significant offseason injury really set Josh Jackson back, 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.240 and then he wasn't able to climb that depth chart 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:19.960 when Truman Williams and Chandon Sullivan and all these guys 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.880 were filling their roles early on in the season last year. 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.720 So Josh Jackson is a guy who's looking for a 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.040 bounce back season and then another one I'll throw out 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:30.000 and I mentioned him an insider inbox a couple of 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:34.760 weeks ago. Kebon into an undrafted rookie from a year ago. Now, 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:36.680 don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that this guy 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:38.920 was gonna be playing fifty snaps a game on defense 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.560 for the Packers last year. But you know, Welst we 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.720 were watching in training camp last year. This was a 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:45.840 young guy who was going to have a shot to 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.440 make the team. He had a legitimate shot to make 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.440 the fifty three, and then he pulled his hamstring running 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:53.800 stride for stride with a receiver on a deep ball, 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.320 made a really really good play on the ball, but 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:58.640 pulled his hamstring and then that was it. He ended 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.080 up not being able to make the team, spent the 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.480 year on the practice squad when he was healthy. So 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.120 that's another guy to keep an eye on here coming back. 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.520 As they say West, especially in this day and age 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:13.000 in the NFL, passing oriented lee, you can never have 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.800 enough cornerbacks. And you know, I don't even know if 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.960 I would say cornerback would be a sneaky pick necessarily 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.800 high in the draft for the Packers because in this league, 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:25.120 man you're gonna you're gonna have four cornerbacks on the 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.560 field quite a bit. If you don't have five or 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.960 six who can really play on your roster, you are 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:34.800 one injury, one injury away from being in dire straits 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:38.320 potentially at that position, depending on matchups with a certain opponent. Yeah, 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.200 two things I want to mention here. One, if we 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:43.080 would have had an offseason or a rookie orientation program, 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:44.840 which I don't think we're gonna be able to get, 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:47.360 at least in the traditional media sense. One of the 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:48.960 things I wanted to do is a Day two story 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.520 was looking at how many guys the Packers have actually 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.000 brought back from their practice squad last year. I would 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.440 say half of those guys ended up spending the entire 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.680 year there, Ramsey among them and into them among them. 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.560 That's a huge benefit to have that kind of institutional 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:04.920 knowledge of the system, in addition to the few guys 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:07.680 that ended up getting elevated throughout the course of the year. Two. 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.280 And you can clip this Marvin back in the studio 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:13.320 if he wants to, I still maintain and if I 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.520 end up being wrong, people can take this clip. They 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:17.160 can they can send it to me they can tweet 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:18.600 it at me, they can put it on my doorstep. 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.520 Josh Jackson is gonna be a starting cornerback in this league. 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.000 I am fully convinced of it. I know there have 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.080 been some ups and downs, but he has the size, 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.040 he has the playmaking, and I feel like if he 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.640 stays healthy, this guy is one of the people that 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:34.000 has been completely slept on. I know there's been hits 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:37.120 and misses over the last five six years with cornerbacks. 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:40.240 I don't get that feeling from Josh Jackson. And he 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:44.160 kept up a great disposition despite adverse circumstances, despite being 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:47.000 a game day and active once last season. He didn't complain. 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.160 He went through a lot last year that I think 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:52.800 people don't realize and he still was a professional about it. 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.000 And here's the here's the baseline too. The guy is 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:58.960 a really good special teams player. In my opinion, he 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:02.840 was their best gunner last season. So at the bare minimum, 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.199 I think you're looking at a Jared Bush type that 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:07.600 can play multiple positions on defense even if he isn't 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.840 a starter, and give you a solid contributor on special teams. 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:12.840 But Josh Jackson, he's a guy that I think a 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:14.800 lot of people have forgotten about, and I think that's 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:17.160 a mistake. Yeah, I would agree with you there. I'm 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:20.240 really interested to see what happens with Josh Jackson here 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.840 heading into year three. And while we're at it here West, 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.560 we'll just we'll hit on special teams for a moment, 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:29.240 because you mentioned how Jackson's had that role, or In 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:31.840 Burks has had that role. Will Redmond is sort of, 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.480 you know, in that third fourth safety range. He's another 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.480 guy the Packers brought back. He tied or In Burks 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.720 for the team lead in coverage tackles last year. So 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:43.880 bringing back Will Redmond and then also obviously the Packers 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:46.520 re signed Mason Crosby and they brought back Tyler Irvin, 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:48.840 who sparked the return game at the end of the year. 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:53.040 The Packers are showing a definite commitment here two special 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:57.240 teams and where things are headed under special teams coordinator 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:00.240 Sean Manga, who was just a first year cord later 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:02.600 last year, and obviously I'm sure he learned a lot 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:06.280 heading into his second year in that position in the NFL. 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:09.719 So with the Packers having five draft picks in the 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:13.760 sixth and seventh rounds coming up here this weekend. Those 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.440 are the kinds of picks where you might see, you know, yes, 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.400 those are not guys you're drafting thinking they're gonna step 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:23.600 in and start at linebacker or at safety or whatever. 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:25.800 But those are guys that if they've got some special 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.600 teams ability, they can make their mark as a rookie 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:30.879 and then and you upgrade your special teams and then 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.359 see where their careers go from there. The Packers have 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.639 the draft capital in the late rounds to try to 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.520 find those guys if if they want to. The foundation 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:40.720 has been set, is the biggest thing. I remember talking 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:42.840 to Mason Crosby at the end of last season just 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.360 how much he appreciated the fact that, Okay, he has 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:47.360