1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted Social 2 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: Distancing Style from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, 3 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: joined as always by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkowitz. Were 4 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: coming to you from our humble abodes, where my hair 5 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: has not gotten any shorter. But west, your beard is gone, 6 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: My friend, what happened over the weekend? I lost a bet? No, Okay, yeah, 7 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: I know it was funny. So a couple of things. 8 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: One um, we have been practicing proper social distancing, so 9 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: when I'm out in public, I've actually been wearing a mask. Now. 10 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: The beard was getting really itchy and it was annoying 11 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: to me, so I shaved that off. My favorite story, though, 12 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: is the fact that my mother, who has been watching 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: Unscripted and been checking some of the stuff out, not 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: a huge fan of the beard. I actually had to 15 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: go over to my parents house to pick up my 16 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen jersey because I wanted to wear it for 17 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: the last dance on Sunday and I had shaved uh 18 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: and she was through the moon about it and she 19 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: loved it. She was she so happy. So here I 20 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: am clean shaven again. Will mix it up you know, 21 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: as long as I'm not able to go to a barber, 22 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: I'm not able to go out to the grocery store 23 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: as much as I want to and keep forgetting to buy, 24 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: you know, actual shaving cream. I'm sure it'll come back 25 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: at some point and maha it will be disappointed, all right. Well, 26 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: as long as we can keep Mahad happy in the interim, 27 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: we'll we'll go for that. Well, we're going to continue 28 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: our draft preview series as we review the positions on 29 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: the Packers roster heading into the draft, which is only 30 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: a few days away now. And today we're going to 31 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: tackle the linebackers and defensive backs and west. When you 32 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: look at the Packers linebacking corps, I said this in 33 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: the written piece that has sort of been the companion 34 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: written pieces to our series here on Packer's unscripted Position 35 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: by position, it's sort of been a two year overhaul 36 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: of the linebacking corps for the Packs. Last year it 37 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: was all about the outside linebackers. He signs the Darius 38 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: Smith and Preston Smith your draft Shawn Gary in the 39 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: first round. That position group gets an entire overhaul. Now 40 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: it's the inside linebackers. Blake Martinez has gone, Christian Kirksey 41 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: has been signed, and there's a lot of talk about 42 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: just how high the Packers might select another inside linebacker 43 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: to potentially pair with Kirksey to have a duo there 44 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: in the middle of the defense. Yeah, and that is 45 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: gonna be there. They're two biggest questions I have going 46 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: in this draft is how the Packers are going to 47 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: approach inside linebacker because I think there are a lot 48 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: of dominoes that fall into effect with Okay, if they 49 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: want to play nickel defense, true traditional nickel defense more 50 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: in two thousand twenty, you probably need another inside linebacker 51 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: there to compete with Orange Burks for that job and 52 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: also to have some more depth at that position. So 53 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: seeing exactly where they fit and where they stand on 54 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: hybrid linebacker or traditional inside linebacker, that's a question still 55 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: has to be answered because Ibraheim Campbell is still on 56 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: the market as well. Certainly you have you know, Raven 57 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: Green there if they want to go of that that route. 58 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: So that's number one. Number two is what type of 59 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 1: inside linebacker would you be looking for? And this draft 60 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: has all of them. When you look at Zack Bond, 61 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: the toy linebacker as one team called him at the 62 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: NFL combine. He's a guy that I think fits that 63 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: mold of that Clay Matthews type a little bit where 64 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: you can rush him, you can have him play coverage. 65 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: He presents every potential avenue to really exercise his versatility. 66 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: If you want to be more creative in that spot, 67 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: then you have your tried and true guys like Kenneth Murray, 68 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: like Patrick Queen out of l s U. Both of 69 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: those guys that have been kind of shifted. You know, 70 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: they aren't the biggest inside linebackers, but they're quick. I 71 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: feel like you go back Mike nine years ago two 72 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: when a j Hawks started to take some weight off 73 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: of his body because he knew he needed to get 74 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: faster at that spot. He knew he needed to be 75 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: able to be more in the coverage side of things. 76 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: And we've never really moved back towards that of the 77 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: two pound inside linebacker as far as if you want 78 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: to play three downs, you've gotta be lights. So all 79 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: three of those young guys are very enticing. But the 80 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: nice thing is for Brian goudakunts what he did by 81 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: getting Christian Kirksey. The Packers do have a guy there 82 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: who's still relatively young and has played that position, has 83 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: been the communicator in that defense before, so that you 84 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: don't necessarily have to go first round if they decided 85 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: to hold off on that. Yeah, And I think it's 86 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: interesting where the Packers are depth wise at that position 87 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: you mentioned or in. Burke's a third round pick a 88 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: couple of years ago. He's now entering his third season, 89 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,239 Speaker 1: and each of his first two years in training camp, 90 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: you're seeing some promise, You're seeing him potentially cart try 91 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: to carve out a role for himself, and then he 92 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: gets injured. He's had training camp injuries each of his 93 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: first two years that have really set him back. And 94 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: you know how it goes west. If you start missing 95 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: preseason games, then once you get into the regular season 96 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: the pads are only on once a week in practice, 97 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: it's really hard to regain that lost time. And I 98 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: think that is something that has affected Burke's his first 99 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: two years. So he'll be looking to stay healthy and 100 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: and make his run at a role on this defense. 101 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: And then you have Curtis Bolton, undrafted a year ago 102 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: out of Oklahoma. He was the guy who was looking 103 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: like he would be the starter next to Blake Martinez 104 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: after or and Burke's got hurt in training camp last year. 105 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: But then Bolton got hurt, he blew out his knee, 106 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: his he was gone for the season. He's another guy 107 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: who is on the roster coming back obviously, you know, 108 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with coming back from a significant 109 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: injury like that. So the Packers have some options there, 110 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: but yet they're completely unproven. And as you said, when 111 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: you look at these guys at the top of the draft, 112 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: at the position now, Isaiah Simmons is from Clemson. He's 113 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: the guy. He's a top five pick, all right, And 114 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: all these Packer fans who are wondering what would it 115 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: take for the Packers to trade up from thirty, Well, 116 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: you'd have to trade the entire draft. You'd have to 117 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: pull a Mike Ditker Ricky Williams draft in order to 118 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: get Isaiah Simmons. So just throw that out there. That's 119 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: not gonna happen. But you mentioned Kenneth Murray, Patrick Queen 120 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: or your traditional what are now becoming the tradition three 121 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: down inside linebackers. I don't know if either one of 122 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: those guys will be available for the Packers at thirty, 123 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: but we'll see. And then Zach Bonn. Bonn is so 124 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: interesting because he was essentially a pass rusher and outside 125 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: linebacker at Wisconsin, extremely productive. But then a lot of 126 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: NFL scouts talking about, Hey, this guy can play off 127 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: the ball, he can play in coverage, he could play 128 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: an inside linebacker role. But how I have a pick 129 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: do you you use on a guy who would essentially 130 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: be making a significant transition like that. I think that's 131 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: a question for teams to try to answer, and and 132 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe that's a question the Packers are 133 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: gonna be pondering themselves. So, um, we'll see how this Uh, 134 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: we'll see how this shakes out. But I do think 135 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: by the end of the draft, the Packers are going 136 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: to have another guy in the mix at inside linebacker 137 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: with Burkes and Bolton and Kirksey in that competition to 138 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: see to see what happens come. Yeah, a lot of 139 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: that has been made Mike, of the Packers in the 140 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: inside linebacker situation and if they want to invest to 141 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: high pick into it or what their commitment is to 142 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: that spot. I haven't been as excited about an inside 143 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: linebacker class since two thousand and fourteen. Where you had C. J. 144 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: Moseley and Ryan She'sier and these really dynamic players that 145 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: both turned out to be really good NFL football players 146 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: as well. And I see that similarity here. Maybe not 147 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: with a total you know, pedigree or prestige that they're 148 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: gonna be you know, top fifteen picks or top twenty picks, 149 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: but I still think you know, whether Murray or Queen 150 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: is there at thirty, you also have bond in that situation. 151 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna get a field by the time 152 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: that this draft is over on Saturday night, where the 153 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: Packers feel they stand at inside linebacker. How much urgency 154 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: there there was to add another body to that room. 155 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: Because as you mentioned, or In Burks, I want to 156 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 1: put this out there, or In Burks is an NFL 157 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: football player. He is a solid special teams guy. The 158 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: question for him that he must answer is whether or 159 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: not he can be a starting defensive player in this league. 160 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: It's gonna be his objective right now. In Staying healthy 161 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: is a big part of that because the preseason games, 162 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: as you well know, those don't really matter that much. 163 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: It's the fact that he's been having to sit out 164 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: of those training camp practices those padded practices. When you 165 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: get fifteen eighteen of them, you want to be able 166 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: to maximize that opportunity. He hasn't been able to do that. 167 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: Tye Summers, the seventh round pick from last year. Summers 168 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: doesn't have the size of a lot of those inside backers, 169 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: but the guy can run and he's a pretty good athlete. 170 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: So Bolton Summers in in in Burkes. They give you options. 171 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: There is that number two, but I just feel like, 172 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: whether it is the first round, second round, or maybe 173 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: into that third day, bringing in another inside linebacker type 174 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: is gonna be really essential for this defense and being 175 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: able to really push that room and see who you 176 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: can have potentially step up next to Christian Kurtsey. Yeah, 177 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned Thy Summers too. I didn't mean 178 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: to ignore him, but certainly a seventh round pick who 179 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: made his mark as a rookie on special teams, he'll 180 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: be looking to take that next step forward in year 181 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: two of his NFL career. Like a lot of guys, 182 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: and before we move on to defensive backs, I don't 183 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: want to ignore outside linebackers completely. We mentioned the Packers 184 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: have the Smiths. They have Gary as a first round 185 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: pick from last year. Kyler factor the number four guy 186 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: in that rotation. He's gone. He left as a as 187 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: a free agent, so um, the Packers certainly could use 188 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: another outside linebacker. Randy Ramsey was a guy who's on 189 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: the practice squad last year, was an undrafted rookie year ago. 190 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: We'll see what happens with his development. I think the 191 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 1: Packers will add to that outside linebacker group, but based 192 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: on the other needs and everything they have elsewhere in 193 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: the draft, it's hard to envision them using a high 194 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: draft pick on an outside rusher the way they invested 195 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: so much in that position a year ago. Yeah, exactly. 196 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: And you've got to get Rashan Gary on the field more. 197 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: I think he played of the defensive snaps last season, 198 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: and a big reason for that is because of Kyler 199 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 1: Facral and in his ability to play coverage. I think 200 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: Fatral is gonna be a really good NFL football player. 201 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have a real opportunity in New 202 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: York to expand his horizons a little bit and maybe 203 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: use his skills on a more consistent basis. Because even 204 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: though he had that ten and a half sax season, 205 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: that's not Kyler Facral's game, Kyler Facral's game is that 206 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: he is going to be able to give you some 207 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: pass rush, but he's also gonna be able to play 208 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: a different, you know, type of linebacker role almost I 209 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: don't want to say poor man Clay Matthews, but in 210 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: that kind of vein where he can also play coverage 211 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: in addition to what he does on the line. So 212 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: the Packers probably need to replace that guy. But in 213 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: terms of the number of the backup role to the Smiths, 214 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: that guy has to be Rashan Gary. I just I 215 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: think you have to be able to get him on 216 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: the field because for as much of the narrative was, hey, 217 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: is Rashaan Gary doing enough as a first round pick, 218 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: I kept going back to I don't know if he's 219 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: really had the opportunities to show that he can do 220 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: much more than playing out of the dime, and I 221 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: think he's capable of that. I look at this guy 222 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: has having a very similar skill set to Darius Smith. 223 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: If you can get him going, if you can get 224 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: that second year jump from a guy that's still very 225 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: young man having that kind of change up to to 226 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: what Darius Smith does, that could really be a challenge. 227 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: For offensive lines throughout the NFL. Yeah, I'm totally with 228 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: you there. Well, moving on to defensive backs, it's interesting 229 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: West because in a lot of ways, I look at 230 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: the safety position much like the outside linebacker position. The 231 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: Packers did their overhaul of the position last year. He 232 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: signed Adrian Amos, and free agency, you traded up with 233 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: that second first round pick to get Darnell Savage. You 234 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: have your starting pair, and then you mentioned Raven Green 235 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: as sort of that third safety hybrid linebacker type. Ibrahem 236 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: Campbell was on the Packers last year. He's still available 237 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: on the free agent market as another option. So I'm 238 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: not sure how closely the Packers are looking at safeties 239 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: in terms of their their higher picks, you know, Day one, 240 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: Day two picks in this draft. But cornerback, that's another 241 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: situation because while the Packers really like what they have 242 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: obviously with JayR Alexander and Kevin King. As you're one 243 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: and two, Rmon Williams has not resigned with the Packers. 244 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 1: He's still out there. He's available on the free agent market. 245 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: Kevin King is going into his contract year. So while 246 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: the Packers have depth at cornerback, you you still have 247 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: Channon Sullivan. He was brought back. You have um excuse me. 248 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: Kadar Holman was a sixth round draft pick last year, 249 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: but very much an unknown because he didn't play a 250 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: whole lot on defense. The situation at cornerback, I think 251 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: the Packers are going to be looking at at some 252 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: guys in this draft because you just don't know what 253 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: will happen with King down the line and and things 254 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: with Tremont Williams. There's still a question mark at this point. Yeah, 255 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: we don't really know where things stand with Tremont Williams, 256 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: and at the time in which we're taping this, haven't 257 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: had a chance yet to talk to Brian Goodacunst as 258 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: far as what the direction they want to go with 259 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: that nickel cornerback position, because honestly, Mike, that's the biggest 260 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: opening right now in terms of maybe not having a 261 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: guy that's just stepping in there and could be the 262 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: presumptive starter. You mentioned Sullivan, you obviously mentioned Holman. Josh 263 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: Jackson fits into that as well. Uh, you know, the 264 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: former second round draft pick from two thousand and eighteen, 265 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 1: the other guy that was taken with jire Alexander. So 266 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: they do have options, But what do they want to 267 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 1: put in that role. Here's the position I'm looking at, though, 268 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: and it kind of blends between the two of them. 269 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: A guy that I keep going back to and I'm 270 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: gonna be writing about this week, and one of the 271 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: ten Trigging Prospects story I'm doing is Geno Stone from Iowa. 272 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: I really like this guy's makeup, and if you look 273 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: at where the Packers have had success, it's been at 274 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: those hybrid types of you know, a guy that kind 275 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: of blurs the lines between cornerback and safety, and I 276 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: think Stone does that much like Micah Hye did. And 277 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: this is the guy that's probably gonna end up being 278 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: a Day two pick, maybe early Day three. I really 279 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: like his skills in terms of being a guy that 280 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: could potentially be a backup at safety but also play 281 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: that nickel star role. But getting back to your original point, 282 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: you do have Kevin King coming up on the last 283 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: year of his contract. You do want to have a 284 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: backup there as well for the outside perimeter guys, and 285 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: this is a sneaky good draft for finding that type 286 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: of guy. I think there are a lot of parallels 287 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: right now between the two thousand eighteen draft that the 288 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: Packers got Alexander from. In what we're looking at right 289 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: now with this two thousand and twenty group, a lot 290 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: of different body types, a lot of different skill sets, 291 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: and as much as you and I've talked about defensive 292 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: tackles and offensive tackles, that could be a sneaky pick 293 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: there for the Packers in the first two rounds if 294 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: they want to go to the cornerback round again. Yeah, 295 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: I agree with you and a couple other guys. We 296 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: definitely should mention second round draft pick from a couple 297 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: of years ago, Josh Jackson. We talked about the injuries 298 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: that or and Burke's had his first couple of years. 299 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: The same thing happened to Jackson last year's coming off 300 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: of a rookie season where you could see he was 301 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,239 Speaker 1: working his way into a into a role on defense. 302 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: But then a significant offseason injury really set Josh Jackson back, 303 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: and then he wasn't able to climb that depth chart 304 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: when Truman Williams and Chandon Sullivan and all these guys 305 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: were filling their roles early on in the season last year. 306 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: So Josh Jackson is a guy who's looking for a 307 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: bounce back season and then another one I'll throw out 308 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: and I mentioned him an insider inbox a couple of 309 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: weeks ago. Kebon into an undrafted rookie from a year ago. Now, 310 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that this guy 311 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: was gonna be playing fifty snaps a game on defense 312 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: for the Packers last year. But you know, Welst we 313 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: were watching in training camp last year. This was a 314 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: young guy who was going to have a shot to 315 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: make the team. He had a legitimate shot to make 316 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: the fifty three, and then he pulled his hamstring running 317 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: stride for stride with a receiver on a deep ball, 318 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: made a really really good play on the ball, but 319 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: pulled his hamstring and then that was it. He ended 320 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: up not being able to make the team, spent the 321 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: year on the practice squad when he was healthy. So 322 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: that's another guy to keep an eye on here coming back. 323 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: As they say West, especially in this day and age 324 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: in the NFL, passing oriented lee, you can never have 325 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: enough cornerbacks. And you know, I don't even know if 326 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: I would say cornerback would be a sneaky pick necessarily 327 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: high in the draft for the Packers because in this league, 328 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: man you're gonna you're gonna have four cornerbacks on the 329 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: field quite a bit. If you don't have five or 330 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: six who can really play on your roster, you are 331 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: one injury, one injury away from being in dire straits 332 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: potentially at that position, depending on matchups with a certain opponent. Yeah, 333 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: two things I want to mention here. One, if we 334 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: would have had an offseason or a rookie orientation program, 335 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: which I don't think we're gonna be able to get, 336 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: at least in the traditional media sense. One of the 337 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: things I wanted to do is a Day two story 338 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: was looking at how many guys the Packers have actually 339 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: brought back from their practice squad last year. I would 340 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: say half of those guys ended up spending the entire 341 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: year there, Ramsey among them and into them among them. 342 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: That's a huge benefit to have that kind of institutional 343 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: knowledge of the system, in addition to the few guys 344 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: that ended up getting elevated throughout the course of the year. Two. 345 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: And you can clip this Marvin back in the studio 346 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: if he wants to, I still maintain and if I 347 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: end up being wrong, people can take this clip. They 348 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: can they can send it to me they can tweet 349 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: it at me, they can put it on my doorstep. 350 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: Josh Jackson is gonna be a starting cornerback in this league. 351 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: I am fully convinced of it. I know there have 352 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: been some ups and downs, but he has the size, 353 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: he has the playmaking, and I feel like if he 354 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: stays healthy, this guy is one of the people that 355 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: has been completely slept on. I know there's been hits 356 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: and misses over the last five six years with cornerbacks. 357 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: I don't get that feeling from Josh Jackson. And he 358 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: kept up a great disposition despite adverse circumstances, despite being 359 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: a game day and active once last season. He didn't complain. 360 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: He went through a lot last year that I think 361 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: people don't realize and he still was a professional about it. 362 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: And here's the here's the baseline too. The guy is 363 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: a really good special teams player. In my opinion, he 364 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: was their best gunner last season. So at the bare minimum, 365 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 1: I think you're looking at a Jared Bush type that 366 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: can play multiple positions on defense even if he isn't 367 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: a starter, and give you a solid contributor on special teams. 368 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: But Josh Jackson, he's a guy that I think a 369 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: lot of people have forgotten about, and I think that's 370 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: a mistake. Yeah, I would agree with you there. I'm 371 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: really interested to see what happens with Josh Jackson here 372 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: heading into year three. And while we're at it here West, 373 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: we'll just we'll hit on special teams for a moment, 374 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: because you mentioned how Jackson's had that role, or In 375 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: Burks has had that role. Will Redmond is sort of, 376 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: you know, in that third fourth safety range. He's another 377 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: guy the Packers brought back. He tied or In Burks 378 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: for the team lead in coverage tackles last year. So 379 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: bringing back Will Redmond and then also obviously the Packers 380 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: re signed Mason Crosby and they brought back Tyler Irvin, 381 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: who sparked the return game at the end of the year. 382 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: The Packers are showing a definite commitment here two special 383 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: teams and where things are headed under special teams coordinator 384 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: Sean Manga, who was just a first year cord later 385 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: last year, and obviously I'm sure he learned a lot 386 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: heading into his second year in that position in the NFL. 387 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,719 Speaker 1: So with the Packers having five draft picks in the 388 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: sixth and seventh rounds coming up here this weekend. Those 389 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: are the kinds of picks where you might see, you know, yes, 390 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: those are not guys you're drafting thinking they're gonna step 391 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: in and start at linebacker or at safety or whatever. 392 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: But those are guys that if they've got some special 393 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: teams ability, they can make their mark as a rookie 394 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: and then and you upgrade your special teams and then 395 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: see where their careers go from there. The Packers have 396 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: the draft capital in the late rounds to try to 397 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: find those guys if if they want to. The foundation 398 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: has been set, is the biggest thing. I remember talking 399 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: to Mason Crosby at the end of last season just 400 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 1: how much he appreciated the fact that, Okay, he has 401 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 1: the same punter, he has the same holder, he has 402 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: the same long snapper. Again, it had been five years 403 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: since he really had any semblance of consistency in that 404 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: two areas, and he felt like that contributed a lot 405 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: to his career year. Getting him back in the fold 406 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: was huge. But as you mentioned, I think this is 407 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: something you really got to take a deep look at. 408 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: For many years, the Packers focused on young guys, undrafted 409 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: free agents, and that's fine, that's well and good, but 410 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: a lot of times those guys ended up playing a 411 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: lot of special teams for them. This year, the way 412 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: that they've approached this now, you gotta remember Will Redmond 413 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: is a former third round draft pick. You have guys 414 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: like Orn Burke's and in Alan Lazard and Entie Summers. Uh, 415 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: you even look at Robert Tonyan. They have guys that 416 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: have built up a core of those special teams units 417 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: that play multiple spots and multiple variations of those phases. 418 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: That's big, Mike, because when the Packers were at their 419 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: best and special teams, and I would maintain that was 420 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: right around two thousand twelve, right at the end of 421 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: where Randall Cobb was still handling returns, it was because 422 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: they had Jared Bush's. It's because they had Jamari Lattimore's. 423 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: They had these guys that worst defensive players and and 424 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: obviously could help out in that phase. But also we're 425 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: really solid on special teams. I think you're seeing them 426 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: get back to that so that if they do find 427 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: a guy in the six or seventh round that could 428 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: help out, there is some other guys there that it's 429 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: not all on these young guys to be able to 430 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,719 Speaker 1: fill out those teams. Yeah, and those are those are 431 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: the types of things that as as we talk about 432 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: the Packers being only one game away from the Super 433 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: Bowl a year ago, obviously they're hoping to take that 434 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: next step. When you talk about guys like Jared Bush, 435 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: he had an interception in the Super Bowl as a 436 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: backup defensive back, Frank's Zombo had a sack in the 437 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: Super Bowl as a backup linebacker, and a special teams 438 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: guy is an undrafted rookie. So you never know where 439 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: exactly these guys are going to make an impact, and 440 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: when they do, it's all about putting together that first 441 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: the best ninety man roster you can't, then the best 442 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: fifty three man roster you can't to move forward into 443 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: the season. Absolutely, and and that's the intriguing part of 444 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: it because you don't know when you draft guys, you 445 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: don't know what they're gonna turn into. You don't know 446 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: where they're gonna fit. Sometimes Jeff Janis ends up being 447 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: an offensive the type of Jeff Jannis player ends up 448 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: being an offensive revelation. Sometimes he just ends up being 449 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: a really good four year contributor on special teams. Those 450 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: are the type of things that you just have to 451 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: draft the talent, figure out where you think they fit best, 452 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: and let training camp, let the process play out, because, yeah, 453 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: you don't go claiming Jared Bush back in two thousand 454 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: and six believing that Okay, well this is gonna be 455 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: a special team stalwart for us for nine years. You 456 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: just gotta let the situation unfold and see where they 457 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: can potentially give you the biggest boost. Yeah. Absolutely, Well, 458 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: with that, we will sign off on this edition of 459 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: Packers Unscripted. Will have one more draft preview episode coming 460 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: up on Wednesday. This week, West, I'm gonna throw some 461 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: of the hypotheticals at you with regards to the Packers. 462 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: First we get the hypotheticals and insight. You know I 463 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: love hypotheticals, Mike. Yeah, So I'm gonna toss him at 464 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: you and we'll we'll we'll throw them back and forth 465 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: a little bit on Wednesday show as we get ready 466 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 1: for Thursday's draft. But for now, thank you for watching. Everybody, 467 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: take care, stay safe, and we will see you next time.