1 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: Today's guests might be part human and part owl. James 2 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: Harrison was born and raised in Hillsborough, Missouri, where he 3 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: married his high school sweetheart, and has two sons, Cody 4 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: and Carter, who both have followed in his footsteps and 5 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: loved the outdoors as much as he does. By day, 6 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: James is a machinist. Pretty good skill set to have 7 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: when you're designing and building game calls, and he's been 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: building them and designing them for over fourteen years. In 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: addition to being an amazing contest caller and call builder, 10 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: James knows his stuff when it comes to hunting turkeys, 11 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: which is the whole reason we have him here on 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: the podcast. Welcome to the show, James. Hey, how's it going, Jason, 13 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: How are things going there? Excellent? You know what, It's 14 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: seventy degrees today, it's a sunny so definitely getting me 15 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: in the mood for some spring turkey season. Spring peepers 16 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: are out peeping, and I guarantee it's keys we're probably gobbling. 17 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: This morning, I woke up, it was beautiful out. I 18 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: hated to go to work. I was like dog on it. 19 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: I'd like to be out of scouting birds. What do 20 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: the populations look like in Missouri this year? You guys 21 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: have a good hatch or is it down up from 22 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: last year? Well, you know around the house here we 23 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: had we've had good hatches the last three years in 24 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: a row. So I mean you're just right around the 25 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: house here is it has been really really good. Uh. 26 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: We do manage. I'm lucky that I know all the 27 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: farmers around the house, so we all manage for predators, 28 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: and we do habitat and stuff like that. So that 29 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: makes a you know in my area there that makes 30 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: huge difference southern Missouri and some spots that we hunt 31 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: a lot, Uh, they're they're kind of hitting miss You'll 32 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: get some pockets that got good birds and then you'll 33 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: hit others. Ah, there ain't no birds area. You know, 34 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: it's just been bad hatches, you know, due to weather 35 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So it's a you know, it's 36 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: kind of funny. You'll be one spot and then you'll 37 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: drive ten miles away and they'll be loaded up full 38 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: of turkeys. And you'll go to another spot maybe just 39 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: down the road, and uh that used to carry and 40 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: hold a lot of birds and there's just there ain't 41 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: that many there. So gotcha, So hit or miss, but 42 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: in your your area pretty good right now. Yes, Turkey 43 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: turkeys are one of those species that are they're awesome 44 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: with their life expectancy of you know, three and a 45 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: half to four years max. You know, they can definitely 46 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: get older than that, but on typical so you can change. 47 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: You know, we're we're you know, the last twenty or 48 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: thirty years, Missouri seems to be going on a downhill trend. 49 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: It's like a couple of good springs, you know, things 50 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: going your way, and it can rebound, you know, fairly quickly. 51 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: Compared to some of the other species, you know, winter 52 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: kills and stuff we have out west here, it seems 53 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: like it takes a lot longer to rebound and get 54 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: your numbers back. So it's good to hear that. Um, 55 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: you have had a few good hatches in a row there. Yeah, 56 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: it's it's been good. We've been seeing a lot of 57 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: jake's uh for last three years. We've had good jake 58 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: numbers and two year olds and a lot of the 59 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: farms that we do that we do hunt and stuff 60 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,839 Speaker 1: like that. We manage it pretty tight. We may only 61 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: take one bird off of a farm. The farm here 62 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: by the house that uh, I've been watching really close 63 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: and we've had under management. We didn't even kill a 64 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: bird off of it last year. So just because we 65 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: the age structure. There was a bunch of two year 66 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: olds in there, which is great, you know, they're movie 67 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: stars full fans usually get shot, you know, but uh, 68 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: they were breeding. We had a lot of hens, so 69 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: we just kind of let that farm set and uh, 70 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: you know, we got the luxury to do that, and 71 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: we we hunt a ton of private I mean a 72 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: public ground down south of us. So it's all timber, 73 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: big hardwoods. Uh, you know pretty much. I think right 74 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: behind right below the house. About an hour we got 75 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: like ninety eight thousand acres of public ground to hunting. 76 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: Then it's all all like I said, it's all timbers. 77 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: So we go down there and chase birds all the time, 78 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: and we really enjoy it. So that kind of takes 79 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: the pressure off of our birds here by the house 80 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: to just kind of let them do their thing. Yeah. Yeah, 81 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: it's a little bit of your backgrounds, a little bit 82 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: of private hunting, a little bit of public hunting. You know, 83 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: out here in the West, we we do a lot 84 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: of public majority public But then when I get to 85 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: go back to Kansas and whatnot, get to do some 86 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: private and it's it's it's fun to compare and contrast 87 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: and kind of use a different skill set on on both. 88 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: So you have that, you know, well rounded. You just 89 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: got home from the NABTF National Convention down there in Nashville, Tennessee. 90 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: I just got back from the Pacific Northwest Sportsman Show 91 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: there in Portland, Oregon. I I envy your location compared 92 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: to mine, for sure. Yeah, Portland's not the not the 93 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 1: greatest place, but it's got great customers. Um, you know, 94 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: I would call them friends. Now at this point, it's 95 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: it's kind of our back backyard show. But I think, 96 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: you know, you can attest to it. Even the people 97 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: we've seen here in the Pacific Northwest. People are starting 98 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: to get excited about Turkey. Um, you know, it's right 99 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: around the corner. So how was the convention down there 100 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: in Nashville. It was bigger than it ever was. I mean, 101 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: the seems like the people are really coming out. I 102 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: think I haven't heard any solid numbers, but I know 103 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: there was I'm almost one hundred percent and positive it 104 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: was over sixty thousand people went through the show or 105 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: it's going to be really close to that. But I 106 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: mean people were there, they were you know, they were 107 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: spending money, they were out shopping, they were they were 108 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: doing what they're supposed to do, and I mean we 109 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: were having a great time and uh, you know, positive feedback. 110 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: The weather was nice, so that always helps. You know, 111 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: everybody got out and stuff like that. So, uh, you know, 112 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: the NWTF convention every year just seems like it keeps 113 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: getting better and better and better and growing, and uh, 114 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: you know, hats off to those guys were putting on 115 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: a heck of a convention. You know. The calling contest 116 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: end of it was up, probably record numbers of guys 117 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: in the contest. Uh you know, vendors vendors was up, 118 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: you know, so it was it was good all the 119 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: way around. You know, the custom Call building shows there 120 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: where they do the duck calls and stuff like that, 121 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: and the Turkey calls and everything, and uh, I think 122 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: that was a record this year too as far as 123 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: people entering NATS. So overall it was a home run 124 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: for sure, you know. And they have it at the 125 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: Opera Land Hotel down there and convention center, so it's 126 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: all contained in one building. So I mean, if you're 127 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: staying there, that's awesome. You never have to Once you 128 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: pull in in park, you don't leave for the next 129 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: three days. You're just there, you know. So, uh, it's 130 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: a it's an enjoyable, joyable time for sure. Yeah. You 131 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: mentioned you know, record attendants coming off of the Western 132 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: Hunt Expo and out of the the Pacific Northwest. Uh. Everybody 133 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: talks about these uh you know, recessions and stuff we're in. 134 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: But if if you had to judge based on the 135 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: sportsman and people at these shows, you know, spending money, 136 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: you wouldn't you wouldn't know anything about it. Seems like, 137 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: you know, either people are on fire, they're passionate, they're 138 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: just they're showing up and and um, you know, I've 139 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: always I've always kind of thought that, you know, hunters 140 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: were a little bit you know, recession proof because they're 141 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: gonna budget, they're gonna do what they need to do 142 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: to make sure that you know, they they can enjoy 143 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: the outdoors and have the right equipment and so um 144 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah. And I think COVID too. You know, 145 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: when COVID hit a lot of guys that uh, you 146 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: know had to stay at home, you know, or work 147 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: for home and stuff like that, and everything was shut down. 148 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: So I think a lot of guys you know, got 149 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: back into hunting again and they you know, they realize 150 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: what they've been missing all that time, so they just 151 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: picked it back up and they're just you know what, hey, 152 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: this is we enjoy doing it, and they continue to 153 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: do it. They just didn't go back to work and uh, 154 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: you know, we'll drop it. So I think that really, 155 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: I mean, take a bright point out of a out 156 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: of a terrible situation. I think covid really made the 157 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: sportsman and uh, you know, fishing industry everything. I think 158 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: it made it stronger because more people got out there 159 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: and started participating and uh and are still continuing to 160 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: do it. So I mean that's great all the way 161 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: around for everybody. Yeah, for sure, for sure. So we're 162 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: gonna jump into the first segment here on the cutting 163 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: of the Distance, where we take listener questions and if 164 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: you have any questions for us here on the show 165 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: for me and my guests, please make sure to email 166 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: CTD app phelps gamecalls dot com or send us a 167 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: social message. We'll do our best to get these questions 168 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: on the show and see if myself. Our experts can 169 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: answer them. So the first question for today is and 170 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: it's kind of right up your wheelhouse. I went and 171 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: kind of cherry picked these for you. I'm new to 172 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: turkey hunting, and I'm curious why you would located turkey 173 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: without turkey calls. That's a that's a good question. I 174 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: get that one. I'll ask a lot too. And uh, 175 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,679 Speaker 1: the reason, you know, the main reason to located turkeys 176 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: to get that bird to gobble at you so you 177 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: know his location so you can go set up on 178 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: him to hunt, hone him and stuff like that. I'm 179 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,239 Speaker 1: a real stickler about not turkey calling to a bird 180 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: until I'm ready to set up on him and actually 181 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: start calling him in to shoot him. So that's why 182 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: I use the al hooters, the crow calls, the you know, 183 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: the kyote howlers, stuff like that, because I want that 184 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: turkey to be gobbling at a sound, but I don't 185 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: want him to be associating that turkey because a lot 186 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: of times I've seen guys set up and this is 187 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: me too. I've done it before in the past. I'm 188 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: guilty of it. I've set up and I hadn't. I 189 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: didn't get a bird goblin. So I started getting a 190 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: mouth call or a box call out and I started 191 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: cutting at him, and I got one of gobble at me, 192 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, he's over there, you know, 193 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go to him. And as I'm going 194 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: to him, he was actually coming to me. So I 195 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: just lumped him and spook the bird or if there's 196 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: a bird around, it's being quiet, and I'm turkey calling 197 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: to him and he never gobbles, and I go on 198 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: and move on. Then that bird shows up at my 199 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: location and he's just he's he's confused, like, okay, there 200 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: was a hen here, she's not here. Now I don't 201 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 1: know what happened. And uh so I try not to 202 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: turkey call until I am set up on the bird 203 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: and actually ready to call him in and shoot him. Yeah, 204 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: and uh that's the same as me. I think, you 205 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: know the same as elk cutting out here out west. 206 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: We will locate you got a kind of you know, 207 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: elkdo shot gobble unfortunately, so you do have to locate 208 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: him with a bugle. But it's very similar. Like I've 209 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: always said, I think the biggest mistake is like bugling 210 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: your way in and letting him know you're coming. Um. 211 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: Similar to turkeys, you don't want to have to give 212 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: up your location until you have to. So if you 213 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: can paint that, if you can, you know, get his 214 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: location without having to, you know, paint the picture that 215 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: you are a hen turkey somewhere on the on the landscape. 216 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: I think you're putting the you know, you're kind of 217 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: stacking the deck in your favor a little bit, because 218 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: then you can go silent um and all of a sudden, 219 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: when you are set up within close proximity UM or 220 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: whatever whatever you know, tactics or you're going to use UM, 221 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: you can then you know, become a hen turkey and 222 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: do the calling. So, you know, very much like you, 223 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: we we try to always locate UM, you know out 224 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: west UM. You know, we we tend to use and 225 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: I'll get into this in a little bit, UM we 226 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: tend to use. You know. You try to time your 227 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: your locators with with what's working, you know, So in 228 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: the morning we'll go to Ala. In the evening we'll 229 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: go to al or Kyle. I don't like to use 230 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,599 Speaker 1: KYO early in the morning because I don't want to 231 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: let that turkey know, you know, if I do locate 232 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: that there's a kyote running around and may you know, 233 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if turkeys think that deeply about things, 234 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: but in my mind is like, well, if there's a 235 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: kyote on the ground, that turkey is going to be 236 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: a little less hesitant or a little more hesitant then, 237 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: you know, coming in. And then for us out west, um, 238 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: you know crow and then the pilliated woodpecker, maybe even 239 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: more so than these other ones, Um seems to just work. 240 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's that sharp, high pitched, you know, 241 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: rapid sound that just kind to get them going. Um. 242 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, we've been using a lot of affiliated woodpecker 243 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: out here on the Merriams and it seems to have 244 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: great um. You know, it's just got a great response 245 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: and it carries, it carries to some of this big 246 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: canyon country. And then there's all the other things we 247 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: could use, you know, kyote, peacock, goose, duck, We even 248 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: use elk bugles. And you always hear the same reference too. 249 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: I just slam my truck door, I hunk my horn 250 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: you know when I get out, and those work. But 251 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: I think I'd just just being a woodsman and wanting 252 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: to fit on the landscape. I think, you know, using 253 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: natural animal sounds as part of the game we love 254 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: to play, right, Oh, oh for sure, Yeah, I want to. 255 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 1: You know, I try to when I'm hunting, hunting and 256 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,359 Speaker 1: going to located bird I try to be as realistic 257 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: with my calling, even on my locator calls, as possible. 258 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 1: So and I was talking to a guy this weekend 259 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: about that the show. I said, if I can get 260 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: my owlhooter out and I can get that, get a 261 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: you know, hit a few notes on the owlhooter, and 262 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: I can get four or five owls to start hooting 263 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: back at me, then I can just be quiet and 264 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: listen to the owls because if that, you know, if 265 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: another owl's on a different ridge, he's carrying farther than 266 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: my sounds carrying, so he's actually helping me locate more 267 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: turkeys and carry the distance. Same way with a crow 268 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: or anything like that. So I try to keep it 269 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: as realistic as possible. And you know, I mean like 270 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: in the mornings, I like to do a crow in 271 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: an owl kind of like you're talking about where you 272 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: guys are at midday, I'll hit the uh, you know, 273 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: the hawk screen peleated woodpecker Kyle Hollen. I saved that 274 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: until they are up on roost, and you know, I 275 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: know them. Berger actually up on the roost. And the 276 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: reason being had a great hunt in Kansas a couple 277 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: of years ago, and I was on a bird and 278 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: had it was a galber had three hens with him, 279 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 1: and I was laying there just watching him. He was 280 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: gonna flyp to roost. I was gonna get set up 281 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: far him that next morning. You know, if he came 282 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: into range that evening, I was gonna shot him. You know, 283 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: we get hunt all day out there. And uh, I 284 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: could tell by the way he was acting he wasn't. 285 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: He was just gonna stay with him him. So I 286 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: was just gonna watch him fly up, get a good 287 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: bearing on him, and slide in the next morning and uh, 288 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: here comes my oldest son, Cody, driving down the road. 289 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 1: I'm I'm five six hundred yards off the road. He 290 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: doesn't even know I'm in there on this chunk of ground, 291 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: and he stops a truck and he starts kyote Hollen 292 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: and he's probably six hundred yards for me and the turkey, 293 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: and that that Galbert literally just popped out a strut, 294 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: popped his wings in and all three of them took 295 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: off going up the ridge side and was gone for 296 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: the evening, so I never knew where they got to 297 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: to go to roost. So I was like dag, um, 298 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: you know. So that's the the kyote hollen works great. 299 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: It covers a lot of ground. Just make sure when 300 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: you do something like that that then birds are definitely 301 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: on roost that way, they're safe and up in a 302 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: tree because kayo's definitely I mean, turkey's their main goal 303 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: in life. They're gonna try to survive and uh, everything 304 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: tries to eat a turkey pretty much. So I think 305 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: they definitely associate. You know, they know what noises or 306 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: what you know, they hear kyote, they know that's danger. 307 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: So yep, yep, I'm I'm in the same camp that 308 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: you are that. Uh, those kyle halls work great, but 309 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: they're only a you know, after dark locator, you know, 310 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: and uh, make sure those birds feel comfortable, you know, 311 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: and during the during the morning, even during the afternoon. 312 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: I don't want them to think that there's a you know, 313 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: a kyote running around close to them. Um. So that's 314 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: a good segue into this next one. Um. You know, 315 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: we just mentioned the plethora of calls. You know, you 316 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: could have crow, I'll woodpecker, kyote, peacock, goose, you know, 317 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: duck calls, elk, bugles, whatever you mean. You could you 318 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: could literally fill up a vest and have way more 319 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: locator calls than you could have turkey calls on you 320 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: if you carried everything. But what locators? Uh? What locator 321 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: calls should I carry with me? And this was a 322 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: listener question, but you know, what's what's a good coverage? 323 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: You know, what's a I guess what kind of covers 324 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: all your bases? Um? And what do you carry for 325 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: locator calls? Oh? That's that's a great question there, and 326 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: I can I can honestly sum it up. You know, 327 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: I hunt a lot of big timber, you know, especially 328 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: on public grounds places like that where we're going in 329 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: there a long ways and going you know, four or 330 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: five miles in and stuff like that. So and when 331 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: you're in and it's probably just like you are out west, 332 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: when you're in that big vast country. If you can't 333 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: find in your turn keys to hunt, you're gonna be 334 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: doing a lot of walking or a lot of glass 335 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: and a lot of time wasted just trying to find birds. 336 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: So I carry. Usually I have my al hooter with me, 337 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: I have a crow call, I carry a kyote holler 338 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: with me. I usually carry a peliated woodpecker and a 339 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: hawk scream, And so I carry several locator calls just 340 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: because if I can't find my turkeys that I'm trying to, 341 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: you know, to hunt, then it's just making my job 342 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: that much harder. So I literally probably carry I I'm 343 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: one of the guys. I probably carry more locator calls 344 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: than I do turkey calls, so you know, I you know, 345 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: it's just all the way down the line. So good 346 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: al hooter, good crow call, peleiad woodpecker, hawks scream, kyote holler, 347 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: you know, let's and you can get into goose calls, 348 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: you know, like we're around the house where we're at, 349 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: we don't have a ton of geese, so you know, 350 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: you can hit a goose call and they may not 351 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: ever answer it. So then I got a couple of 352 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: places I hunt that's loaded up with geese, So I 353 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: mean they'll hear geese a lot and they'll gobble at it, 354 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: you know, So I really trying to hunt that. You know, 355 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: you're terrain in that area as far as yea, yeah, 356 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: what's what's natural for the area. All right. So with 357 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: that said, we've already kind of talked about not using 358 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: turkey calls. When is there a situation or if you 359 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: know there are turkeys around, is there at a point 360 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: where you're like, all right, these locators aren't working, they 361 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: don't care. Will you switch to a turkey call, do 362 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: some loud cutting or some yelping, or do you do 363 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: you only only use that for calling turkeys in once 364 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: you know where they're at the time, I'll start to 365 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: switch over and use the turkey calls. If I'm in 366 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: an area and I've scouted at a bunch and I 367 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: know there's birds in there. So let's take, for instance, 368 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: I'm on a couple ridges and I know I got 369 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: three long beards hanging in those ridges, and you know, 370 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: it's a pretty big area, but I know them verger there, 371 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: and it's getting mid day and it's kind of just 372 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: starting to wind down. You know, everything's gotten woods have 373 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: kind of gotten quiet. I may go ahead then and 374 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: hit a call cut a few times, but at that 375 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: point I'm pretty much setting up and gonna stay for 376 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: a while. You know, I'm gonna find me a real 377 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: good location that I can see good, and I'm gonna 378 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: set up up, go ahead, get ready to roll, and 379 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: then I'm gonna hit the calls, and then I'm gonna 380 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: sit there and wait for you know, half an hour 381 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: forty five minutes, and then I may hit another series 382 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: of calls and then you know, wait again for another 383 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: half hour forty five minutes and just kind of like 384 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: wait for the birds to do their thing. And a 385 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: lot of times that works out great because I may 386 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: call two or three times I've had birds coming quiet 387 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: on me, a bunch that you know, didn't gobble at all. 388 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: And then also, you know, you're sitting there in thirty 389 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: four or five minutes, you know, an hour, just doing 390 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: your thing, and then you'll you'll hear another bird gobble 391 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: in a different direction or something. So then at that 392 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: point you can pick up and go from there. But yeah, 393 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: if I know I'm gonna stay in an area and 394 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: I know there's birds in the area, then I'll be 395 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: more apt to grab a turkey call and sit down 396 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: and just set up. And basically what you're doing is 397 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: blind calling to them, you know, kind of like you 398 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: do a deer. You're just know they're in the area. 399 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: You're just hoping to make contact with them and get 400 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: them to come in. Yeah, and what kind of led 401 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: me on to doing this. We're a few situations where 402 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: we knew there were birds around. We're on a you know, 403 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: a good piece of property or a good area over there, 404 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: and you know you're locate and locate and locate, hitting crow, 405 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: hitting you know whatever, you got, pillated woodpecker. Nothing's answering, right, 406 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: But then you can visually like see the turkeys, like 407 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: you know, hind up or they're with and you're like, well, 408 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: I can I know they can hear me. I know 409 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: that I can see them, and they're not answering. But 410 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: yet you sit down and hind call, and then you 411 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: could you know, we've we've pulled over, you know, pulled 412 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: over one of the you know, subbordinate toms, or we've 413 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: pulled over one of the two year olds, and it's 414 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 1: like all right, that's where like, all right, turkey calling 415 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: may be beneficial versus you know, just sit there cranking 416 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: on locators the whole time, you know, And that's like 417 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: you mentioned right off the bat on that question. If 418 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: you know they're birds in the area and you're not 419 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 1: just you know, I would say it's not cold calling, 420 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: but it's not necessarily hot calling either. It's kind of 421 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: that you know, lukewarm calling where you know there's birds around, 422 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: but they're not directly answering you, Like I feel that's 423 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: the time where we can start to try to locate 424 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: um with our with our hind calls. But also at 425 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,719 Speaker 1: that point you're almost SIMMI trying to call them in 426 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: from that location at that point. Yeah. Correct. And it's 427 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: just like fishing in a farm pond, you know, the 428 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: fisher there. You just gotta figure out what they're biting 429 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: on that day and h hopefully you know, get one 430 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: and get one to bite. Same way with the turkeys, 431 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: we know they're in the area, we know they're you know, 432 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: probably have hens with them, you know, you know, and 433 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: that's where and and we may talk about this a 434 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: little bit later, and I'm sure we will. As scouting 435 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: is key. You know, the more you've spend scouting the 436 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: birds and knowing the turkeys and uh going and you know, 437 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: studying them and knowing how many birds is on your 438 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,479 Speaker 1: piece of property or where they're at, that that's just 439 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: all the you know that that benefits you so much 440 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: because then you know when you get into an area. Okay, 441 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: I've had two birds in this area, offspringer, I've had 442 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: one bird and a couple of jakes or something like that. 443 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: So the more you scout, the better advantage. You have 444 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: to really pinpoint your birds and getting them. And you know, 445 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: when I'm scouting birds too, and I'll bring this up 446 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: on the on the topic, when I'm scouting for birds 447 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: before season, I leave my turkey calls at home because 448 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to. I'm more than nebody love to 449 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: hear a turkey gobble, and I want to fire him 450 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: up and get that bird gobbling and hammering and doing 451 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: everything that you want him to do. But before season, 452 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to call to that bird. I don't 453 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: I want him just as calm and no hunting pressure. 454 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: It's kind of like on deer hunting. I don't want 455 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: them bucks to know I'm in the area that I 456 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: don't even want them to know I exist. So I 457 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: kind of treat my turkeys like I do my deer. 458 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: I get on the outside fringes, hit them with an 459 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: owl who to hit them with a crow call whatever, 460 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: get them to gobble, and then I just sit there 461 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: and listen to them and learn and see where they're 462 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: going to. You know, if I can get them, If 463 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: I can get birds that are roosting on a certain 464 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: ridge and every morning they'll fly down and go to 465 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: a watering hole or someplace to a creek to get water, 466 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,959 Speaker 1: well that's just giving me the advantage that I know 467 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: the next morning I need to be where the water 468 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: is and just set up on him. And if I 469 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: hen call, maybe I'm off a hundred yards from them, 470 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: but they know a hens there, buy it, They're gonna 471 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: come over and skirt right to me, you know, and 472 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: they're gonna get the hen and get to the water 473 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: at the same time. So scouting and just paying attention 474 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: to listen, you know, that's that's the key. Key key, key, yep, yep. 475 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: All right, Well, thanks for answering those questions for us, James, 476 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: and once again, if you have any questions for us here, 477 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 1: me or my guests here on the cutting the Distance, um, 478 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: please submit your questions to CTD at Phelps Gamecalls dot com. 479 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: We'll do our best to get him answered. So on 480 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: the day's episode, I wanted to dive into your tactics 481 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: and strategies and what you use to be successful year 482 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: and in year out. When it comes to turkey hunting, 483 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: we mentioned it earlier, you know, Ben in Missouri, you 484 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: saw the heydays of the nineties, the early two thousands, 485 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: you know, where turkey numbers were way up. Um. You know, 486 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: you guys had maybe some of the best turkey hunting 487 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: in the world, you know, in Missouri. Um, and now 488 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 1: it seems, you know, I've heard anywhere from you know, 489 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: fifty to sixty five percent reduction in turkey numbers here 490 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: in Missouri from the from the from the peak, which 491 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: is an ideal, but it also probably forces you guys 492 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: to you know, be a little more cautious, become a 493 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: little bit better to you know, So there is some 494 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to say there's any good that comes 495 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: from it, but it forced you guys to, like, you know, 496 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: sharpen your skills a little bit and home your approaches, 497 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: and you learn a lot from that. You know, when 498 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: there isn't a bird around every corner. Um, we're still 499 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: kind of in that that big upswing here in Washington 500 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: where we have more birds than we know what to 501 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: do with. But um, you know, once the predators kind 502 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: of figure them out. I'm sure we'll be in in 503 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: your guy's a situation. UM. So yeah, your experienced turkey 504 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: you know you and your son's um. You know, Cody Carter, 505 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: they you guys get it done every year. I'm really 506 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: excited to talk to you guys. See what you do, UM, 507 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: the same and then maybe different than than what we do. UM. 508 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to just give a little background before we 509 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 1: jump in our conversation, kind of how we met and 510 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: kind of you know, what we've got going on for 511 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: people that may or may not know. We have a 512 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: mutual buddy Chris Parrish. UM. You know, I got to 513 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: know him almost ten years ago building Turkey Calls, went 514 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: out and visited him, and we've stayed in touch, you knows, 515 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: as Phelps Game Calls has grown and and as he's 516 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: you know, changed careers and did some stuff and we 517 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: were able to meet you and Steve On we were 518 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: on a Kansas Turkey hunt and you guys came out 519 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: for a day and I don't even know what the 520 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: whole idea was. We were just kind of meeting up 521 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: and maybe bus and a little bit maybe we had 522 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,719 Speaker 1: I don't know at that point if we'd even decided 523 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: to do anything together. We were just going to meet 524 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: up and talk and chat there and maybe film some 525 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: maybe we had decided to do that. But we met 526 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: up in Kansas and just I think I speak for 527 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: everybody here at Phelps Game calls like it was one 528 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: of those things We're just getting to know you and 529 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: Steve a little bit, and I don't care how good 530 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: of colors you guys are. I don't care how good 531 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: of call makers you guys are. Like one thing that 532 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: we always looked for first is U you know, quality 533 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: of people. We can we can find all kinds of 534 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: guys that can call, we can find all kinds of 535 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: people that can build calls, but you know, quality of people. 536 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: And remember me and Dirt chatted a couple of days, 537 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: you know, he stayed an extra day and filmed you guys, 538 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: and like, hey, these guys are as salt of the earth. 539 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 1: And so yeah, we met, we had a few phone calls, 540 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 1: met there in Kansas and then um, you know, just 541 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: been kind of rolling on projects ever since then. So 542 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: really excited to have you, you know, you guys on board, 543 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: and we're doing some cool things and we have some 544 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: cool things coming in the future. So um yeah, we've 545 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: we've worked on you know, our beta and our our 546 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: Omega deer calls, you know, with you kind of giving 547 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: some feedback and then um, you know, the Harrison Hooter 548 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: and Harrison Hooter Pro were kind of all your ideas. 549 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: So we're really stoked to be able to bring those, 550 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: you know, to market through the Phelps Game Calls brand. 551 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: And uh yeah, that's that's enough of a plug. Just 552 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: want to give a little background story that I just 553 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: wanted to give a little background story on how you know, 554 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 1: uh yeah, Elk Hunter from and a callmaker from Southwest 555 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: Washington hooked up with some you know, some some great 556 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: guys from Missouri and are doing some collabs together. Oh yeah, 557 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: it was great and you know and Chris is uh 558 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: Chris Parrish is I want to thank for that because 559 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: I've known Chris since I've been you know, basically a teenager, 560 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: you know, in the Turkey calling circuit and stuff like that, 561 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 1: and uh, he knows I build out who's in you know, 562 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: into deer grunners and stuff like that, and then he 563 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: got with me and it's like, hey man, you need 564 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: to build me some deer grunners and stuff. And uh, 565 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: I need show some of these guys. And at the 566 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: time he was talking about you, you you know, showing deer 567 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: grunners and you know, talking about how Hooters and I constantly, 568 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: you know, I'm always trying to build a better mousetrap, 569 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: I guess so to speak. You know, I'm never satisfied 570 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: with good. I always want to keep take something to 571 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: the next level and keep going. And then, uh, when 572 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,239 Speaker 1: he brought up your guys, you know, Phelps and you 573 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: and Dirk and everybody, I was, man, I was so 574 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: excited to meet everybody. And then and it was the 575 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: same thing. I remember the first conversation me and you 576 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: had on the phone. I I hung up and I 577 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: talked to my wife and I said, Jason is the 578 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: type of person that is literally is as passionate about 579 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: building calls and a down Hooters person as I am. 580 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: And I said, this is going to be phenomenal. And uh, 581 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: ever since it's been, it's been absolutely Uh, you know, 582 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: it's been awesome. It's been a whirldwin. You know, we 583 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: went out to Kansas, met you guys. It was great, 584 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: and then from there we ain't looked back. You know, 585 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,959 Speaker 1: we're we're we're full steam ahead. You know this is Uh, 586 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: deer Gunners did great, the owhooters are doing great. So 587 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: it's a blast. Yeah. Yeah, looking to do some new 588 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: stuff in twenty twenty five. So excited, excited to have 589 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: you on, not to not to board the listeners with 590 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: our our our, our, our backstory. But well we'll jump 591 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: into some of the questions I have for you. Um, 592 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: you know, some of these are similar questions I've asked 593 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: past guests. Um, but yeah, just kind of get your 594 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: take on it. And uh, like I say, it's give 595 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: our listeners kind of the chance to find where some 596 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: of you, you know, you expert you know turkey hunters, 597 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: guys that get it done, know your stuff, kind of 598 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: where you guys are similar, and then maybe little nuggets 599 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: where you guys are different, and give them kind of 600 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: enough tools and their toolbox to go out and uh, 601 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: you know, try different things that they found successful. So 602 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: one question I always ask is how early do you 603 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: get to the Turkey Woods? And I know you'd mentioned 604 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: earlier we're gonna talk about scouting a little bit and 605 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: if that affects it, go ahead and kind of add 606 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: that in. But um, you know, we we've always balanced 607 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: back and forth on getting out, you know, at four 608 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: o'clock waiting for everything to to come alive versus you know, 609 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: let's just hang back and get to the best bandage 610 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: on the entire property and then we've got like a 611 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: good snapshot on what it's all over the property and 612 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: you know how to kind of give us a little 613 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: a little um, you know, insight into how earlier is 614 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: James Harrison sitting under a tree? And then um, you know, 615 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: how does that affect if you don't have a bird 616 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: rooster or do you have a bird rooster plus all 617 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 1: you're scouting. Well, you know that's that's a good question. 618 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: Early for me is I will get in as early 619 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: as I have to get in. I mean, that's kind 620 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: of vague, but most of the time I am well 621 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: at where I'm gonna be hunting at an hour to 622 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: an hour and a half early. Maybe not up against 623 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: a tree, but I'll be at my location. And just 624 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: for the fact that you know, if I'm crossing fields 625 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: or if I'm going through timber and I got to 626 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: walk in on a bunch of public ground and I 627 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,479 Speaker 1: have a half mile or a mile trek or whatever 628 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: I want to get in there super early. That way, 629 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: if I do make some noise getting through there by 630 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 1: the time daylight hits and then birds start to goblin, 631 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: that that's a noise they have done forgot about. I mean, 632 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,959 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things in the woods that make 633 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: noise all night long, between deer and you know, possums 634 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,719 Speaker 1: and armadillas, whatever. There's always something making noise. So as 635 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: long as you're not doing it right at daylight when 636 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: them birds are waking up, and you're you know, relatively 637 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: quiet about it, you know, you can get away with 638 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. But I get in. I'm an 639 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: early guy. I like getting in early. If I have 640 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: to take a nap beside a tree and sleep for 641 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: half an hour or forty five minutes, I'm fine with it. 642 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: I don't mind at all. I'd much rather be early 643 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: than late, because lates when you get caught, and lates 644 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: when you start rushing and doing doing things that that 645 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: spook birds, you know, crossing fields when it's starting and 646 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: break daylight and the birds are roosted on the edge 647 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: of the fields, or if you're in big hard timbers. 648 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: You know, I think a big mistake guys making timber 649 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: situations is they try to get too close to them birds. 650 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: And I'm a two hundred pound guy, so when I'm 651 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: walking in dry leaves, I sound like a two hundred 652 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: pound guy. And if I'm gonna try to get fifty 653 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: sixty seventy eighty yards on a bird and set up, 654 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen without that bird not knowing I'm there. 655 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: So the earlier I can slide in on a bird 656 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: and get set up in his general location, the better 657 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: off I'm gonna be. Now that being said, you know, 658 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: I'll throw this in a little bit here. I'll jump 659 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: ahead a little bit. If I am in a situation 660 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: like that and I get there super early and I 661 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: get set up in the bird start goblin, and they're 662 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: not where I want to be, and I cannot get 663 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: to them without spooking or letting them know him there, 664 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: I let them go ahead and fly down and start 665 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: their morning off, and then at that point I'll get 666 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: up and circle and put the move on him, kind 667 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: of like you know, it'd be the same as an elk. 668 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: You know, you know that you know where he's at, 669 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: you just don't have a good way to get to 670 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: him without booger and him, So you just let him 671 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: make the first It's just a game of chess. You 672 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: just got You know, the biggest thing is patience and 673 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: time with these turkeys. And you know, turkeys don't wear watches. 674 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: I've said it all along. They don't know it's Saturday 675 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: at eight o'clock and you got to be at work 676 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: at nine o'clock. So you're trying to cram a hunt in. 677 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: Just take your time and get there plenty early. I 678 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: love getting in way before daylight. That way, I know 679 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: I'm not spooking nothing. Yeah. Oh, and you're opinion, You know, 680 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: you brought up a good point, not getting through fields 681 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: or open areas. You know, we always call it that 682 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: gray light where it's not dark, it's not quite daylight. 683 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: In your opinion, if the turkeys aren't gobbling yet, are 684 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: you okay to kind of get through that field or 685 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: are you risking them seeing you? And then like, how 686 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: how long is a turkey's memory on when they're on 687 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: the roofs. You know, I've heard people say, oh, we 688 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: can get through there. You know, they might, we might 689 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: bug them up, they might hear us, but they'll forget 690 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: by time they fly down. And in my opinion. It's 691 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: just it's hard to imagine that they're going to forget 692 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: that there's something that just walked, you know, towards their 693 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: tree or they're close, and so I've always been you know, 694 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: similar like you said on ELK Coney, I'd rather go 695 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: way around or you know, for us, it's wind more 696 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: than eyesight. But I'd rather just never get smelled than 697 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: risk it. Um, how much can you get away with 698 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: during that gray light? And is a turkey gonna remember 699 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: what they just saw? I think it varies per bird 700 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: and hunting pressure, you know, like around the house here 701 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: we have a lot of cattle farms. So I think 702 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: if you're a big object and you're moving in the 703 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: field in that gray light, I think them turkey's probably 704 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: don't pay much as attention. You know, they don't. They 705 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: ain't really just registering as a threat because they hear 706 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: that stuff constantly at night and stuff. But I still 707 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: if it's a gray area, man, that's once again, I 708 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: try to make sure I get to my spot before 709 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: it ever starts. To get to that point. That way 710 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: I know I'm safe, no questions asked, because turkeys will 711 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of times you've had guys walk 712 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: through the field and he's like, man, that bird was 713 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: gobbling good and when he pitched down, he pitched down 714 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: completely the other direction. Well, there's a good chance he 715 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: might have seen you. He might not have been spooked, 716 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: but he knew you wasn't correct or you wouldn't you 717 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: didn't belong there, So he's definitely not gonna fly down 718 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: to you and check you out. You know, turkeys are 719 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: one thing about turkeys, they're not curious creatures. They don't 720 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: stick around to find out very long. So I try 721 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: to give them zero you know, I don't want to 722 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: give them any advantages. So you know, and another thing 723 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: too while we're talking on that, as far as a 724 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: gray light, I go into an area to rooster bird 725 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: or to locate a turkey in the morning. When I 726 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: go to alhu, man, plant yourself up against a big 727 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: tree or a backdrop to alhoot, just because if a 728 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: bird's close and you hit him with a alhoot or 729 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: anything and he wheels around in gobbles and he looks 730 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: right at you, and you're a six foot guy that 731 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: you know that's an awful big owl. You know that 732 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: bird's gonna know something's up. Where if you're up against 733 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: a tree and you're more or less hid, you're gonna 734 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: get away with a lot more stuff. So I always 735 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: anytime I stopped to call, whether it be a turkey 736 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: call or a locator call, I really try to have 737 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: myself in a situation where if I got to hit 738 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: the deck and sit down real quick, I can just 739 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: slide right into a spot and disappear without spooking anything. Yeah, 740 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: that's a great point. Don't don't go locate from out 741 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: in the middle of the wide open where everything can 742 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: see if they look that way. So, what's your typical 743 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: morning looks like when you don't have a bird roosted? 744 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: If you either you know, didn't have a chance to 745 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: roost the night before, or you know, maybe it's a 746 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: it's a farm or a piece of ground that the turkeys, 747 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: you know, roosting multiple spots. Kind of, what's your strategy? 748 00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: Are you gonna GetUp on a high point, are you 749 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: gonna go to where you think they are and then 750 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: you know, walk around the property kind of what's your 751 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: typical strategy when you don't have a bird roosted? Well, 752 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: and that depends too with me on if you know 753 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: what farm. It is. If it's farms around the house 754 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: here that I know really well, and I've got a 755 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: long history with the farms and the turkey's on them, 756 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: I always got general areas where they're gonna be at. 757 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: So I got a real good idea. If I don't 758 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: hear a bird, or if I don't roost one the 759 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: night before and a lot of times around the house, 760 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: our birds will not hardly gobble in the evening, not 761 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: like out in Kansas and Nebraska and stuff like that. 762 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: You know, we for every ten times we go out 763 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: to rooster turkey, we might get them to gobble twice, 764 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: you know. So I mean I don't put a lot 765 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: of stock in roosting birds at night. I do a 766 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: lot of listening at night, you know. I would go 767 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: out and listen and listen farm to fly up and 768 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: maybe gobble. But I mean, I just if I don't 769 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: hear one gobble, it's not the end of the world. 770 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: In my book, I'm just like, oh, well, we'll just 771 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: catch them in the morning. But if it's a ground 772 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: that I don't know a lot about, like timber and 773 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: spots that I'm going I usually try to get to 774 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: an advance in point, you know, I check, you know, 775 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: I check my on X or my hunt stand apps, 776 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: look at the top o kind of get an idea. 777 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 1: I even go to the point where I check which 778 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: way the wind's blowing that night, and usually then birds 779 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: will try to get out of that wind. So I think, Okay, 780 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 1: if the wind's been blowing strong coming out of the north, 781 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: and birds are probably gonna be on a south facing hillside, 782 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 1: you know, down off of it a little bit, not 783 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 1: catching that wind all night long. So um, I really 784 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: kind of look at stuff like that, and uh, I 785 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: try to stay high. I literally I don't mind staying 786 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 1: low on a bird. I just really look for places 787 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: that I can get and move on because man, a 788 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: lot of times and a lot of this stuff that 789 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: I'm talking about and your listeners are listening is I've 790 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: done all this stuff, and I've made all these mistakes, 791 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: and I've screwed up countless times. So I've just learned 792 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: over the years what to do, so you don't do that. 793 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: So I just basically try to get it to a 794 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: spot where I can have an advantage and move. So 795 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: if a turkey does gobble and he's I'm not in 796 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,760 Speaker 1: a POSI and I can get you know, I can't 797 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: set up right there and call to him. I want 798 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: to be able to move on that bird and get 799 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: in a position that I can. So I try not 800 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,439 Speaker 1: to get myself too high up on a knob where 801 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: I'm kind of stuck up there, or in a spot 802 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: where I can't back out of without that bird spooking me, so, 803 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: you know, without me spooking him. So that's that's the key, 804 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: And a lot of that's just scout, like I said, 805 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 1: goes back to the basic scouting scouting scouting. The more 806 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: you know, and the more even better know you're terrained, 807 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: the better off you're gonna be. Yeah, And then you know, 808 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,879 Speaker 1: you guys hunting primarily Easterns out there versus US hunting 809 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: you know Merriams. Rio's, um, it's like a completely different game. 810 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: You know, those Merriams will gobble more time on the 811 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: you know, more times at that nighttime roots, and they 812 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: will throughout the whole day, which to me is crazy. 813 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,280 Speaker 1: Versus when we do go to Kansas the east side 814 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: and hunt you know, um Easterns, they won't barely gobble 815 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: at night like you had mentioned. You know, you won't 816 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: get him to roost near as much and you go 817 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: back in the morning and the day and things, you're 818 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: right there. They just didn't make a peep as they 819 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: flew up that night. So yep. Yeah, different subspecies are 820 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: just like you know why they all are all turkeys. 821 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: They they've got different little um, you know, quirks and 822 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 1: and different things that work. Now I'm gonna kind of 823 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: break down the day. Um. You know, one this is 824 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: where I really struggled kind of as a as a 825 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: new turkey hunter. Is different strategies I should be using 826 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 1: throughout the day. Um. So we talked a little bit about, 827 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: you know, hunting the roost, but what is what's your 828 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: go to on the roost? You know, you are you 829 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: getting one hundred yards one hundred and fifty yards from 830 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: the tree? Are you calling? Are you just sitting there? Like, 831 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: what's your what's your best strategy when you've got a 832 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: bird in the roost and you're you know exactly what 833 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: trees in Okay, that's a you know a lot of 834 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,879 Speaker 1: it as far as distance wise really is determined by 835 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: the terrain that you're in. You know, it could be 836 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 1: a really uh early spring and there's not a lot 837 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: of foliage so you just can't get that close to 838 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: that bird where you know, give it three weeks and 839 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: it really greens up, you can get in a lot 840 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: closer on that bird. I try to stay back, you know, 841 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: my ideal situation would be seventy five to one hundred yards. 842 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: I want to I want to that bird to be 843 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: able to hear me and know where I'm at. But 844 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: I don't want that bird to just be able to 845 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: look from the roost right down where I'm at. So 846 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: I kind of stay off of him just a little bit. 847 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: So there's a little bit of curiosity right there for 848 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: that bird, so he has to come check me out. 849 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 1: You know. I think a lot of times guys will 850 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: get close in on a bird and that bird will 851 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 1: be up on the roost and he'll be gobbling and 852 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: you're trying to tree call to him, and that turkey's 853 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: literally looking down there and there's like, man, there was 854 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: no hint there last night. There was I don't see 855 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: nothing this morning, you know. So a lot of times 856 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 1: they'll pitch down and go the other direction because something 857 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,720 Speaker 1: just doesn't add up. So I try to stay seventy 858 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: five one hundred yards off. Just really depends on the terrain. 859 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: I'll soft talk to him, just a little bit of 860 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: tree yelping. Once I get that bird to gobble at me, 861 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: a lot of times I will shut down and just 862 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,399 Speaker 1: let him do his goblin. I always carry a wing 863 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 1: with me. That's one thing I carry a lot, you know, 864 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: I do a lot of you know. And I'll take 865 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: that wing and when I know that bird's up there 866 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 1: and it's getting closer to fly down time, I'll take 867 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: and hit that wing on my leg and coming down 868 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: like I just flew out of the tree. Because you 869 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 1: can't get no more realistic than an actual set of 870 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: wings coming out of a tree. I mean, that's what 871 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: turkeys do every morning, every night. So when that bird 872 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: hears that, he automatically thinks that's a turkey. So you 873 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: don't have to be a great caller to kill turkeys, 874 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: you know. And that's that's, you know, just how it is. 875 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: But if you can keep it as realistic as a 876 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 1: real turkey, you're gonna kill a lot more So when 877 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 1: he hears that wing, that takes that level of realism 878 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 1: up to him. Where Okay, that hen just flew out 879 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 1: of the ground, off out of the tree, unto the ground, 880 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: and now she's on the ground. So a lot of 881 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 1: times he'll gobble at that, and when he does, I 882 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 1: may hit him with this, you know, a couple of notes, 883 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 1: you up, just you know, just something to lay you know, 884 00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 1: him still there, and then I just shut up and 885 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: let him fly down and do a thing. And most 886 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: of the time off the you know, now that changes. 887 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: He may have hens with him right in there. And 888 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: then at that point, you know, I try to get 889 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 1: them hens talking and uh, you know, try to get 890 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: them hens to feed into me and work in my way. 891 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times that will lead hen 892 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: she'll fly down and pull him right away from you 893 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: because she doesn't want the competition. So if a situation 894 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: like that arises, I just doug them turkeys. You know, 895 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: I let him get out of sight, and I just 896 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: kind of you know, if that's the only game, if 897 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: that's the only turkey I've heard, and that's the only 898 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 1: game in town, I just shadow him until I can 899 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 1: get to a spot where I can either ag get 900 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: in front of him or you know, I've followed birds 901 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: all morning long until the hens finally, you know, we're 902 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: bread and left and went to nest and then I'll 903 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 1: work on him from there. So I definitely stay in 904 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,439 Speaker 1: the game if I can. You know, if I got time, 905 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: or if that bird stays on my property, you know, 906 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: he may, he may. A lot of times guys will 907 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,240 Speaker 1: hunt him and they'll fly down and get on another 908 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: guy's property. So what do you do at that point? Well, 909 00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,919 Speaker 1: if I know that's the only bird there, I'm gonna 910 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,320 Speaker 1: up and wait on him. If I know there's multiple birds, 911 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: I may back out of there, not pressure him, because 912 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest mistakes you can do 913 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: on any of them birds is spook them. And that's uh, yeah, 914 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: that's it. You know, Like I said before, they don't 915 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: have they don't tell time, and they don't know you 916 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: got to be at work by nine o'clock or ten 917 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,879 Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. And I don't want to rush 918 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: a hunt. And as bad as I as bad as 919 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: I want to shoot the turkey, I don't want to 920 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: rush a situation and spook a turkey or make a 921 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: bad shot on him, because then you just you just 922 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: took your whole game and you lost. So you know, 923 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 1: then you got to go find another bird on another 924 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 1: piece of property. And you know, when I was growing 925 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 1: up as a kid. We didn't have a ton of 926 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: turkeys right around my house. So the ones you did here, 927 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: you had to make sure you were you know, you 928 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: had to hunt him. It may take you an extra 929 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: day or two to get him killed, but you didn't 930 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,359 Speaker 1: spook him because once you spooked him, it was checkmate. Yeah, 931 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: you had to capitalize on the few birds you had, 932 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: so on the roost, real quick decoy or no, or depends, 933 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: you know. If it's early season, I'm h and I 934 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: am field hunting, I run decoys, especially during youth season, 935 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: so I can pull them birds attention off of me 936 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: and the youth or me, you know, just me. You know, 937 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 1: if I'm field hunting, I'll run a decoy. If I'm 938 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: timber hunting, I rarely packed decoys. I'm pretty much try 939 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 1: to get in a terrain situation where that birds got 940 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 1: to fly down and walk up and when he walks 941 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: up in to look for the hen, he's within range. 942 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: So that's that's my goal. You know, catch him over 943 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: a little crest in the hill, or over a little 944 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: knob or you know, a bend in a logging road 945 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: or something like that, so when he walks around it 946 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 1: I can shoot him. But uh, decoys are oh man, 947 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 1: they're they're phenomenal. I mean they've gotten so good over 948 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: the years. They look I mean, guys are using mounted 949 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,719 Speaker 1: birds all the way through. So uh yeah, and in 950 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: a case too, I try to put those decoys out 951 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: in the field. You know. Well, you know, if you're 952 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: running decoys, like I said, get get out there early. 953 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: Set them birds out there early, way before the gray 954 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: light starts. That way, you know, you're all set up 955 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: in position. The birds are out there, you know, and 956 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: that way, when that gobbler does wake up and they 957 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,799 Speaker 1: come down, there's no chance of you spooking them. Yep. Um, 958 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 1: all right, so we've you know, birds kicked off the roost, 959 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 1: they go the opposite way. You don't get a shot 960 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: at them. What's your hunt look like? You know after 961 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 1: fly down into late morning, and what's your strategy You 962 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: kind of mentioned if it goes to another property, you're 963 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,879 Speaker 1: gonna kind of hang out since that's the only bird 964 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 1: in town. What's your strategy there? Yeah, you know what 965 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,839 Speaker 1: it depends. If like I'm on public ground, I've got 966 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: a lot of ground of cover. I may go ahead 967 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: and mark that bird and know where he's going to 968 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 1: and I may jump off of him and go try 969 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 1: to find another bird that's goblin. And then from there 970 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: I'm pretty aggressive. I'm you know, I'm walking hitting locator calls, 971 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: looking for fresh sign. You know, don't over underestimate too. 972 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,240 Speaker 1: When you're walking down through the woods and you're walking 973 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,360 Speaker 1: and you see fresh sign that was made that morning, 974 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: them turkeys are close. There's somewhere right in there. So 975 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,800 Speaker 1: at that point, slow down and start watching and listening 976 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: and maybe maybe find a good spot to set up 977 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 1: if it's fresh sign, and especial if you see some 978 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: gobbler tracks and stuff like that, and hit some calls 979 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: if you think you know, like again, if you know 980 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 1: the birds are there in that area, definitely set up 981 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 1: on him and try to call them. You know, you 982 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: might be surprised and maybe right just around the bend 983 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 1: of the road or over the ridge and once you 984 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,280 Speaker 1: sit down I hit a call, you know, they'll gobblin 985 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,319 Speaker 1: come on in on you. So, uh, my mid mid 986 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 1: day is I just you know, I'm pretty I kind 987 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,240 Speaker 1: of hunt. I always tell Cody, I hunt like a coyote, 988 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,399 Speaker 1: you know, I stay low, I stay out of sight, 989 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,239 Speaker 1: but I keep moving and I'm constantly looking. If I'm 990 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 1: on property around the house where I don't have a 991 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 1: lot of ground, I could I can really just jump on. 992 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: I'll either make the decision to bail off the property 993 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 1: and go to another chunk and check it, or if 994 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,240 Speaker 1: I think them birds are gonna come back that mid morning, 995 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,319 Speaker 1: I'll just you know, I'll set up and just wait 996 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,240 Speaker 1: on them, you know. More more or less, you almost 997 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: go to a deer hunting mode then, which I rarely do, 998 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 1: just because I'm I'm active. I want to be out there. 999 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 1: You know. That'd be kind of like deer hunting elk 1000 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: for you, I can get pretty tedious. I'd rather make him. 1001 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: I'd rather have turkey goblin and that elk buglin then 1002 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,359 Speaker 1: just sitting there waiting on when to come in. So 1003 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:09,840 Speaker 1: I usually I'm pretty active. Yeah, And one thing I've noticed, 1004 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 1: We're lucky here in Washington. We've got three subspecies. We've 1005 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 1: got easterns here on the west side of the state, 1006 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 1: and then we've got rios and a majority of them 1007 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,839 Speaker 1: or merriams on the northeast and southeast side, I think 1008 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 1: southeastern rios. But I've been able to hunt in all 1009 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 1: the locations and both the Easterns I've hunted here in 1010 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:31,360 Speaker 1: Washington's state and in Kansas, man that midday hunting is 1011 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: just tough to pull a gobble out from them, especially, 1012 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,000 Speaker 1: you know, I'd say from like April twentieth to May tenth. 1013 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 1: It's just we've we've seen it. We can get a 1014 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: gobble out of the midday, but it just seems a 1015 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,319 Speaker 1: lot tougher. Where like Miriam's lend themselves, they seem to 1016 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,319 Speaker 1: gobble all day long. If they're there, they hear a 1017 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,760 Speaker 1: shot gobble, they hear turkey calls that, and then rios 1018 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,840 Speaker 1: are kind of a mix between both. It maybe a 1019 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: little bit tougher to pull a gobble out, And that's 1020 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:54,960 Speaker 1: one thing I just wanted to kind of put out 1021 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,840 Speaker 1: there is in my experience, you know, having you know, 1022 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: five six years of hunting Easterns, post hunting Easterns, they 1023 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,839 Speaker 1: just they're a little tougher bird. And you know, I 1024 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,759 Speaker 1: think they lend they they make you think that there's 1025 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,080 Speaker 1: not as many birds on the landscape when when there are, 1026 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 1: especially on some of these properties with lots of cameras 1027 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: and stuff, we can see where the bird. You know 1028 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,400 Speaker 1: that there are birds everyone we're not there when we 1029 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 1: go and check cameras after the hunts, Like, dang, that 1030 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,319 Speaker 1: thing was right next to us when we were you know, 1031 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,359 Speaker 1: we were a ridge over or whatnot. We couldn't hear them. Um. 1032 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 1: So that's one thing that I've noticed, Um, you know, 1033 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 1: just just between the different subspecies that we've got to hunt, 1034 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,440 Speaker 1: um mid day. And then one thing I like mid 1035 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,240 Speaker 1: day is you know you get later in the season. 1036 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,600 Speaker 1: We used to always our season goes all the way 1037 00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,880 Speaker 1: to the end of May. Here um Easterns and Merriam's 1038 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,480 Speaker 1: both and the Rio's that we've got to hunt. Is 1039 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 1: when those you get into the middle of May and 1040 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,280 Speaker 1: all those hens are either starting to sit or their 1041 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 1: clutches are about full or they're sitting full day. Like, 1042 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 1: that's when the hunting gets good and you're gonna kill 1043 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 1: those older birds. In my opinions, so when when we 1044 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: when I was learning cutting my teeth, turkey hunting, like 1045 00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 1: mid day was like you went back to camp, had 1046 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 1: a big breakfast, hung out until the night hunt. You know, 1047 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,440 Speaker 1: we always thought we could only kill them when they 1048 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,440 Speaker 1: were gobbling. What we've actually started killing. I would say 1049 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,680 Speaker 1: the majority of our birds midday once, you know, once 1050 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: you get that gobble dot, gobble's worth a whole lot 1051 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,520 Speaker 1: more than those morning gobbles as far as you know, 1052 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,479 Speaker 1: can finding that bird and killing it. Oh yeah, yeah, 1053 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 1: that's a you know, in Missouri, we can only hunt 1054 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,440 Speaker 1: till one o'clock. So after one o'clock we were fishing. 1055 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 1: You know, we're we're done. And some days, if the 1056 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,000 Speaker 1: weather's good in the turkeys and goblin, I'm just gonna 1057 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,160 Speaker 1: go fishing earlier. But uh, you know, and it's one 1058 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,560 Speaker 1: of them things like that's that's a great deal with 1059 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 1: the locator calls, uh you know al scream or a 1060 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,279 Speaker 1: Kyle How, not a Kyle How midday, but an al 1061 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,560 Speaker 1: scream or like a peliated woodpecker or something like that. 1062 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,320 Speaker 1: Just one time to get that bird to gobble midday, 1063 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,080 Speaker 1: one time, just to give up his location. That's gonna 1064 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:47,799 Speaker 1: help you immensely because most of the time when you 1065 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,800 Speaker 1: can get if you can get a bird to gobble 1066 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,920 Speaker 1: midday and get him fired up, he's killable. You know, 1067 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: he's either had hens lefteam and uh he's and you know, 1068 00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 1: and up till noon and one o'clock. I have more 1069 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: success around the house here at eleven, thirty twelve and 1070 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 1: one getting birds to goblin, getting them killed, and I 1071 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,800 Speaker 1: do at eight, nine, ten o'clock in the morning. So 1072 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,840 Speaker 1: and then as the season goes on, and once the 1073 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,400 Speaker 1: hens start getting bread and they're hitting the nest and 1074 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,560 Speaker 1: stuff like that, then the gobblers are definitely starting to 1075 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,240 Speaker 1: pick back up and make more tracks and be more vocal. 1076 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: Now when i'm decoy and in the spring of the year, 1077 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,560 Speaker 1: like early season, I'll run a jake decoy, a couple 1078 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,759 Speaker 1: of hen decoys stuff like that, and then then birds 1079 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,440 Speaker 1: will come in and a lot of times them gobblers 1080 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,960 Speaker 1: will go right to that jake decoy because they want 1081 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,480 Speaker 1: to assert their dominance and fight that jake for the hens. 1082 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,799 Speaker 1: As it gets later in the season, I dropped the 1083 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,759 Speaker 1: jake decoy and I just go with a hen. That way, 1084 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,759 Speaker 1: when that gobbler pops around the corner, he can see 1085 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,960 Speaker 1: a hen out there, but there's no other gobblers for 1086 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,920 Speaker 1: him to contend with or fight. Because you know, the 1087 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,160 Speaker 1: way I hunt the birds, as you gotta understand their 1088 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,839 Speaker 1: breeding cycle and early season, they're aggressive, they're wanting to fight. 1089 00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,799 Speaker 1: They're just like pre rut with a deer. You know, 1090 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,640 Speaker 1: they're or sparring, they're going at it. Once the mating 1091 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,080 Speaker 1: starts and the gobbling kind of hits a lull, then 1092 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,920 Speaker 1: birds are actively mating them. Gobblers don't want no competition. 1093 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,760 Speaker 1: They don't want another gobbler coming in, you know, challenging 1094 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 1: them off the hens and stuff like that. So that's 1095 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,000 Speaker 1: when all the goblin quits and they get quiet. Well, 1096 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 1: once the hens start nesting and the gobblers are starting 1097 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,600 Speaker 1: to find themselves more alone, they still want to come 1098 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,759 Speaker 1: to the hens, but they still don't want the competition 1099 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 1: of another gobbler because they know the hens are scares. 1100 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 1: So that's when I drop, if you know, if I'm 1101 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,960 Speaker 1: running a decoy again, I'll drop down to one hen. 1102 00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,640 Speaker 1: A lot of times of grass and stuff starting to 1103 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,480 Speaker 1: get taller late season, you know, from early on, so 1104 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,080 Speaker 1: I avoid any of the wheat fields or any of 1105 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,279 Speaker 1: the hay fields early morning because they're all wet, and 1106 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,000 Speaker 1: the birds usually don't like getting in that wet. They 1107 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,560 Speaker 1: wait till it's dry, you know, mid morning on. So 1108 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,560 Speaker 1: if it's a field that you know and you have 1109 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,440 Speaker 1: to watch your turkeys. This is a big thing I 1110 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,520 Speaker 1: can say about scouting you even though you scout before season, 1111 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 1: You also need to be paying attention scouting deering season 1112 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,560 Speaker 1: because just like elk hunting or deer hunting, as a 1113 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,600 Speaker 1: mating season progresses and the temperature changes and the terrain changes, 1114 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,840 Speaker 1: whether it be leaves greening up or grass getting taller, 1115 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,120 Speaker 1: you have to adapt and change with that because because 1116 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,000 Speaker 1: the turkeys are changing with it. So the situation the 1117 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,880 Speaker 1: place you set up early season that you killed a 1118 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,880 Speaker 1: bird off of that was just on fire three weeks 1119 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,719 Speaker 1: later is dead because the birds are not used it 1120 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,719 Speaker 1: because they the grass got up to you know, over 1121 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,560 Speaker 1: knee high, and you know, so they went to another field, 1122 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,040 Speaker 1: you know, cut cornfield or something like that. So they've 1123 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,560 Speaker 1: they've changed their locations a little bit. So the whole 1124 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,319 Speaker 1: time you're the whole time season is going, don't you know, 1125 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,799 Speaker 1: don't stop scouting to birds, because that's that's a big 1126 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,759 Speaker 1: mistake a lot of guys do. They they hold on 1127 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,880 Speaker 1: to something like, man, I had birds here all spring 1128 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,839 Speaker 1: and now they're not here and they're not goblin. Well 1129 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,480 Speaker 1: they're they're still they just might have moved over ridge 1130 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,360 Speaker 1: or you know, they might have hens with them, so 1131 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,520 Speaker 1: they quit goblins. So just the big thing with turkeys 1132 00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,840 Speaker 1: is you just have to really watch them because you 1133 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,319 Speaker 1: early season, when they're all grouped up, you may have 1134 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 1: eight or nine gobblers in your flock, and then within 1135 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,080 Speaker 1: two days you may be down to one gobbler because 1136 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:09,959 Speaker 1: all the rest of them split up to go find 1137 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,520 Speaker 1: their own territories. So you know, that's so's it's just 1138 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,680 Speaker 1: like deer elk or anything. The more you scout, you know, 1139 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,000 Speaker 1: the better off you're gonna be. And you know, talk 1140 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,879 Speaker 1: to your farmers, talk to your other buddies. The more 1141 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,200 Speaker 1: information you know, knowledge is king. So the more you know, 1142 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,120 Speaker 1: and the more you know. Watching the weather, you've got 1143 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:30,920 Speaker 1: storms coming in, and you know that you're gonna have 1144 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,000 Speaker 1: a bad winds out of the you know north. Like 1145 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,520 Speaker 1: I said before, storms and birds are gonna roost low 1146 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,799 Speaker 1: that morning. I'm not gonna go to a high spot. 1147 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get down there in the bottom where I 1148 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 1: know them birds are at, you know, where there was 1149 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,919 Speaker 1: roosting at that night before. So just you know, take 1150 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,600 Speaker 1: everything into consideration when you're easing in in the mornings 1151 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,000 Speaker 1: and during the day's hunt. If the winds picking up 1152 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,839 Speaker 1: during the midday, like you probably out west, you guys 1153 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,600 Speaker 1: probably get it all the time, like Kansas and Bressa 1154 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,799 Speaker 1: is terrible mid day. I try to get in them 1155 00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,600 Speaker 1: low spots where them birds can get out of them 1156 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,319 Speaker 1: wind and where they can do their thing without you know, 1157 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,800 Speaker 1: just getting pounded by wind constantly. So take that into 1158 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,400 Speaker 1: consideration when you're on your midday hunts, getting in a 1159 00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,560 Speaker 1: spot where the birds can actually hear you calling, you know, 1160 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,359 Speaker 1: because if it's windy and you're blowing it, if you're 1161 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,319 Speaker 1: running a calling the winds hitting in the face, your 1162 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,360 Speaker 1: sound's not carrying very far. So try to, you know, 1163 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,280 Speaker 1: use that wind to your advantage. You get in spots 1164 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,320 Speaker 1: where you're calling and that sounds carrying a long ways 1165 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,080 Speaker 1: with the wind. Yeah, those are all great points. I 1166 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,400 Speaker 1: know you've hunted, you know, nights in some other states 1167 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,279 Speaker 1: that you've hunted in. But the I was gonna ask 1168 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,080 Speaker 1: you kind of what you're late afternoon to fly up. 1169 00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:33,960 Speaker 1: Looks like we're gonna skip that since it sounds like 1170 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,640 Speaker 1: you guys can't hunt pass well one o'clock there in 1171 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,080 Speaker 1: Missouri and well, Kansas and Nebraska, places like that. I've 1172 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:41,840 Speaker 1: hunted where you can hunt knights and stuff like that. 1173 00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,719 Speaker 1: Kentucky we can hunt nights and Tennessee in through there. 1174 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,480 Speaker 1: Uh you know what, I it's a lot of times 1175 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,440 Speaker 1: the dudes goes back to scouting a lot of the 1176 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,640 Speaker 1: areas in Kansas and places like that. Then birds are 1177 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,680 Speaker 1: going to roost in the same general areas that they were, 1178 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, from night to night to night. So I'm 1179 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,640 Speaker 1: gonna slide in there a couple of hours early, you know, 1180 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,480 Speaker 1: catch me a nap up against a tree. But I'm 1181 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,839 Speaker 1: gonna be somewhere in their general vicinity where they're at. 1182 00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,440 Speaker 1: And then as it's getting closer to dark, I'll have 1183 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,040 Speaker 1: a good setup and I'm gonna start calling to them 1184 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,120 Speaker 1: and try and get them birds coming in because you know, 1185 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,239 Speaker 1: Rio's and Rio's and Miriam's all like that. Man, they 1186 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,240 Speaker 1: got long legs. They can cover a lot of ground 1187 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,359 Speaker 1: quick and all of a sudden, getting close to dark, 1188 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,000 Speaker 1: all of a sudden you got to parade to Turkey's 1189 00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,799 Speaker 1: coming right in on top of and you hit them 1190 00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,320 Speaker 1: with a call, man, they'll light up and go. Now, 1191 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,520 Speaker 1: Kentucky places like that where the birds don't generally like 1192 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,640 Speaker 1: around my house. I don't think my turkey's roost in 1193 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,440 Speaker 1: the same tree their whole life. I think they pick 1194 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,960 Speaker 1: a different tree every night just to drive me crazy. 1195 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,880 Speaker 1: But Kentucky's the same way. You know, there's a lot 1196 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,680 Speaker 1: of spots. They may be on the same ridge, but 1197 00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,919 Speaker 1: they'll never be in the same spot exactly. So when 1198 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,880 Speaker 1: that happens, I just kind of pick a spot that 1199 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,879 Speaker 1: I know I can get in and out of good 1200 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,400 Speaker 1: and I know I've got a little bit of advantage, 1201 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,120 Speaker 1: you know. I'll check the wind and stuff like that, 1202 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,400 Speaker 1: and uh set up and I just wait on them, 1203 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,040 Speaker 1: you know, hit them with some soft calls, and if 1204 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,240 Speaker 1: they gobble and come in, that's awesome. But I'm sitting 1205 00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,080 Speaker 1: there listening too, So if I hear them fly up, 1206 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,200 Speaker 1: I'll know there's birds there for the morning. So that's 1207 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:07,680 Speaker 1: what I do. If I if I hunt all day 1208 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,360 Speaker 1: and we've had great success in the evening time, you know, 1209 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,239 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's for me this. I've never got 1210 00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,680 Speaker 1: to hunt the evening. When I get to go someplace 1211 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,359 Speaker 1: that I can't hunt the evening, I want to just 1212 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,040 Speaker 1: because it's something new and exciting to me. You know, 1213 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,760 Speaker 1: I've been up plenty of mornings at three thirty stomping 1214 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,040 Speaker 1: through the woods to go get a bird off the limb. 1215 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,680 Speaker 1: But I'm excited when they're getting ready to fly up 1216 00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,680 Speaker 1: on one and I can get in there and work 1217 00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,799 Speaker 1: them because I've found that the birds in the evening 1218 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:37,320 Speaker 1: time are they're they're killable. There ain't no issues there. Thanks, 1219 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,239 Speaker 1: thanks for thanks for going to lining out you know 1220 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,560 Speaker 1: your strategies throughout the day. Now we're going to kind 1221 00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,560 Speaker 1: of jump into calling. Um, how important is calling to 1222 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,680 Speaker 1: your success? And then how important is good calling? Um? 1223 00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,320 Speaker 1: If you could break that down? You know, I'm assuming 1224 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,839 Speaker 1: you know you're you're a call builder. You love to call, 1225 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,239 Speaker 1: You're like me. We like to add that, and that's 1226 00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,480 Speaker 1: what we're out there for. Um. But but how important 1227 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,120 Speaker 1: is it? And and you know the same thing we 1228 00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:02,719 Speaker 1: always get do we have to call it? You know, 1229 00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,399 Speaker 1: elk as good as you to be able to call 1230 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,000 Speaker 1: elkin or you know, So how important is calling? How 1231 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,920 Speaker 1: important is good calling? Oh? Man? I you know I'm 1232 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,279 Speaker 1: a I'm a call builder. I love to hear myself call. 1233 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,600 Speaker 1: I'm guilty as charge. I want to make that turkey 1234 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,360 Speaker 1: gobble five thousand times just so you know I love it. 1235 00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,719 Speaker 1: But as far as you know, calling's important, and I'll 1236 00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,759 Speaker 1: stress this out, you know, I mean, I've I've called 1237 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,879 Speaker 1: competitions since I've been in high school. So I mean 1238 00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,080 Speaker 1: to me, if I'm gonna go out there and make 1239 00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,080 Speaker 1: an animal sound, I want it to be correct, exactly 1240 00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,000 Speaker 1: like you know, whether if I'm locating birds, I want 1241 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,520 Speaker 1: to sound exactly like an owl, sound like a crow. 1242 00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,560 Speaker 1: I think the more realistic and natural you are, and 1243 00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,040 Speaker 1: the proper volume we are, I think the better success 1244 00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,200 Speaker 1: you'll has because that's what the birds are used to hearing. 1245 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,280 Speaker 1: You don't have to be a good caller to kill turkeys. 1246 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,960 Speaker 1: What you have to have is woodsmanship and the knowledge 1247 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,080 Speaker 1: of knowing turkeys and knowing where they're wanting to go. 1248 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,640 Speaker 1: So if you're across the woven wire fence and you 1249 00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,480 Speaker 1: got a hot gobbler, I don't care how good a 1250 00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,920 Speaker 1: caller you are, he does and if he doesn't want 1251 00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:01,680 Speaker 1: to across that fence, he's not gonna come across it. 1252 00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,520 Speaker 1: Where if you had a little bit of knowledge of 1253 00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,239 Speaker 1: that fence and you set up where there was a 1254 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,400 Speaker 1: hole in it or where you could shoot to the fence, 1255 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,240 Speaker 1: you to kill that turkey with, you know, hardly minimal calling. 1256 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,520 Speaker 1: So I mean, take, for instance, the Indians used to 1257 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,919 Speaker 1: use a cherry leaves and wingbones. And if you've heard 1258 00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:23,640 Speaker 1: those calls, they roughly imitate a turkey sound. I wouldn't 1259 00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,120 Speaker 1: call him a good sound. I'd call him good enough 1260 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,040 Speaker 1: to full a turkey. And that's what and that's all 1261 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,600 Speaker 1: it takes. So you don't have to be a champion 1262 00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,799 Speaker 1: caller to kill turkeys by no means, you know, I 1263 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,160 Speaker 1: think being a better woodsman and knowing where the birds 1264 00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,000 Speaker 1: are wanting to go and putting yourself in a position 1265 00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,719 Speaker 1: where you can kill them turkeys is a big thing. 1266 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,719 Speaker 1: So I mean, if if you get off work and 1267 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,040 Speaker 1: you're driving to the ice cream shop, you know, I mean, 1268 00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:49,879 Speaker 1: if you can get in between there, you know what's 1269 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,080 Speaker 1: gonna go on, you can you know, same way with 1270 00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,040 Speaker 1: the turkeys. If you know them, Turkey's gonna fly down 1271 00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,040 Speaker 1: and run to a watering hole and get some water. 1272 00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:58,880 Speaker 1: If you can get in between there, and then you 1273 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,880 Speaker 1: can sound like a turkey, whether it be just a 1274 00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,000 Speaker 1: little bit or you know, excellent, then birds are gonna 1275 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,000 Speaker 1: swing by right there because they're on their way anyway. 1276 00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,200 Speaker 1: So and trust me, when I first started turkey calling, 1277 00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,879 Speaker 1: I sounded like I got slammed in a screen door. 1278 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:16,160 Speaker 1: So my first turkey hunt. I sounded, dude, I sounded 1279 00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,479 Speaker 1: like a coyote and a henhouse killing chickens. It didn't 1280 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,919 Speaker 1: sound like a turkey, trust me. But the turkey still 1281 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,560 Speaker 1: gobbled at it and they came in, you know. So 1282 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:28,799 Speaker 1: I mean, now that being said, if you can call 1283 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,440 Speaker 1: and call good, I've had situations that I have been 1284 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,759 Speaker 1: able to pull birds that, let's say, and you know, 1285 00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,880 Speaker 1: an average I wouldn't be able to where I've had them, 1286 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,919 Speaker 1: let's say across the river or something like that, where 1287 00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,560 Speaker 1: I've just showered down on them with really crazy calling 1288 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,840 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And I kind of have an 1289 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,680 Speaker 1: unfair advantage if I'm hunting with my Cody or Carter, 1290 00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,680 Speaker 1: because those two can call like a house of fire. 1291 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,520 Speaker 1: So a lot of times we'll set up and it'll 1292 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,520 Speaker 1: sound like two or three hens over there, all calling 1293 00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,520 Speaker 1: at once, and I mean we just we drive them 1294 00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,279 Speaker 1: turkey's nuts till they've out to fly over. They've got 1295 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,719 Speaker 1: to come over and check us out. So you know, 1296 00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:08,719 Speaker 1: good calling does have its advantages in certain situations. But 1297 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,000 Speaker 1: I will honestly say ninety five percent of the time 1298 00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:16,320 Speaker 1: or ninety seven percent of the time even back just 1299 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,400 Speaker 1: being able to you know, do your basic yelp, your 1300 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,800 Speaker 1: basic cluck, your basic per as long as you're set 1301 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,920 Speaker 1: up where that burden needs to be. You know, a 1302 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,040 Speaker 1: wing is a great example, Like I use a wing 1303 00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,320 Speaker 1: in a morning to fly down with. You can't get 1304 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:30,840 Speaker 1: no more turkey than that. And you don't even have 1305 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,320 Speaker 1: to make a sound. You just have to, you know, 1306 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,280 Speaker 1: bring it down, you know, beat it across your leg 1307 00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,640 Speaker 1: when you come down. If you're in a spot where 1308 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,000 Speaker 1: they want to be and you know them turkeys are 1309 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,720 Speaker 1: gonna be there, you can kill them. But no problem 1310 00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:44,640 Speaker 1: at all. Thanks, Thanks for that. Um. So that's a 1311 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,440 Speaker 1: great segue into what you know. We talked about what 1312 00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,840 Speaker 1: locators you carry, what turkey calls are in your vest 1313 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,960 Speaker 1: um you're taking on every hunt, every hunt. Man, I 1314 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,440 Speaker 1: tell you what, I take a wingbone turkey call. I 1315 00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,520 Speaker 1: started out in my whole turkey calling crew learning how 1316 00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,080 Speaker 1: to run a wing bone. So I take a wingbone 1317 00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,320 Speaker 1: with me. And a wingbone is a great call because 1318 00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,400 Speaker 1: it's a very soft call, or you can get as 1319 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,040 Speaker 1: loud as you want on it, and it carries extremely 1320 00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,720 Speaker 1: long ways. So I mean I will I will match 1321 00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,520 Speaker 1: a wing bone up against any box call or any 1322 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,640 Speaker 1: friction call, as far as sound carrying in the woods, 1323 00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,439 Speaker 1: as far as if you're like trying to locate a bird. 1324 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I've had bird's gobble at it before where 1325 00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,400 Speaker 1: you could see their heads and next stick out, but 1326 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,360 Speaker 1: you couldn't hear them gobble. So I mean that it's 1327 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,080 Speaker 1: a good call to carry. It's a you know, doesn't 1328 00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:30,800 Speaker 1: take up a lot of room. I always carry a 1329 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,560 Speaker 1: few mouth calls, you know. I run a couple of 1330 00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,200 Speaker 1: double reads. I'll run a couple of triple reads, different cuts, 1331 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,240 Speaker 1: you know, split vs. Basically, what I'm wanting is different 1332 00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,880 Speaker 1: calls that have different sounds, because every hen sounds different. 1333 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,800 Speaker 1: And you know, if if I'm out in the woods, 1334 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,400 Speaker 1: here's a great story, and I'll get back on the 1335 00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:48,880 Speaker 1: turkey calls in a second. I was out and in 1336 00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,280 Speaker 1: the public ground a couple of years ago, and I 1337 00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,040 Speaker 1: had this gobbler, and man, I could not get this 1338 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:54,880 Speaker 1: bird killed. I just couldn't get him killed. He was 1339 00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,040 Speaker 1: outsmarting me every time. And I was just like gonna 1340 00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,760 Speaker 1: start taking up croppie fishing for a living. And I 1341 00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:01,920 Speaker 1: to hen walk by one day and she did like 1342 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,680 Speaker 1: a two note yelp, and she was real high pitch. 1343 00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,120 Speaker 1: I mean she was just like yep, yep, just like that, 1344 00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,800 Speaker 1: and I was like, holy count and I and he 1345 00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,680 Speaker 1: gobbled and they hooked up and you know, went on. 1346 00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,960 Speaker 1: So the next morning I got in there and I 1347 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,720 Speaker 1: was digging through my mouth calls, and I had a 1348 00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,320 Speaker 1: single read mouth call, which I keep in there because 1349 00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,080 Speaker 1: a lot of times if I'm out hunting, I see 1350 00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,600 Speaker 1: a coyote or something like that, I'll throw that single 1351 00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,400 Speaker 1: read in I'll try to like squeak him up and 1352 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,760 Speaker 1: get him shot. And uh so I took that mouth 1353 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,160 Speaker 1: call and I hit it, and I was just like yep, 1354 00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,240 Speaker 1: just like that turkey and that high pitch. A bird 1355 00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,120 Speaker 1: gobbled at it, and he came right to me and 1356 00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,280 Speaker 1: I killed him and it wasn't and it was it wasn't. 1357 00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,240 Speaker 1: You know. I threw every mouth call, every box call, 1358 00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,960 Speaker 1: every friction call I had at him, and any pew 1359 00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,200 Speaker 1: gobbled at it. But he'd never come in because he 1360 00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,320 Speaker 1: was used to hearing that certain sound. And once I 1361 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,480 Speaker 1: pinpointed it, you know, I did it. So that's why 1362 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,160 Speaker 1: I carry several mouth calls are small, you can fit 1363 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,920 Speaker 1: them in a poucheesy. There's you know, they're minimal, so 1364 00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,440 Speaker 1: you can carry a lot of them. As far as that, 1365 00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,479 Speaker 1: I always care a couple of friction calls. I carry 1366 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,680 Speaker 1: a slate call. I'm a slate junkie. I love slate 1367 01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,080 Speaker 1: just because it's soft. A lot of times in Missouri 1368 01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,400 Speaker 1: where we're at, you know, we're doing tree yuffs, clucks 1369 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,280 Speaker 1: and purrs, you know, just soft stuff, tree talking. Then 1370 01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,120 Speaker 1: I carry my aluminum you know, alumium call. I know Steve. 1371 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,919 Speaker 1: I was carrying Steve's aluminum call before you know, before 1372 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,240 Speaker 1: he started with you guys and designing that one that 1373 01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:21,640 Speaker 1: we did with you know one that he did with 1374 01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,360 Speaker 1: the osage, and uh, that thing's a monster, So I 1375 01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,000 Speaker 1: you know, I was. I'm carrying that all the time. 1376 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,480 Speaker 1: And that's more for the you know, aggressive getting a 1377 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,680 Speaker 1: little bit louder stuff like that. It still does all 1378 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,640 Speaker 1: the soft stuff great, but uh, that aluminum's just got 1379 01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,280 Speaker 1: a sound that that slate doesn't have, and on certain 1380 01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,919 Speaker 1: days and birds will gobble grade at it. So I've 1381 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,959 Speaker 1: got my two friction calls. I got my mouth calls. 1382 01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,680 Speaker 1: I got a wing bone. I will carry a box call. 1383 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,400 Speaker 1: I'm hit or miss on a box call. Sometimes I'll 1384 01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,240 Speaker 1: carry it if I'm out west, I seem to carry 1385 01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:50,919 Speaker 1: a little bit more than I do if I'm around 1386 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,440 Speaker 1: the house, just because I know my birds and I 1387 01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,480 Speaker 1: kind of got an idea what I'm gonna be setting 1388 01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,520 Speaker 1: up on and stuff like that. But I mean, I've 1389 01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,840 Speaker 1: had days before where the box call was the only 1390 01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,880 Speaker 1: call that made the turkey gobble and everything else just 1391 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,400 Speaker 1: didn't work. You know a lot of guys, and we 1392 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,080 Speaker 1: can segue on that a lot of guys. I carry him. 1393 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:14,360 Speaker 1: I carry multiple calls because certain days, certain turkeys will 1394 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:19,280 Speaker 1: gobble and work in better on certain calls. So break 1395 01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,880 Speaker 1: that down for you. You know, last year I was 1396 01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,840 Speaker 1: on a bird here by the house, working him, and 1397 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,280 Speaker 1: he was gobbling really good at all everything I was thrown, 1398 01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:28,919 Speaker 1: but he was just hanging up. He just wasn't doing 1399 01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,720 Speaker 1: He wasn't advancing towards me. He was just sitting there gobbling, 1400 01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,560 Speaker 1: And basically, you know, in nature, the hens go to 1401 01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:39,120 Speaker 1: the gobblers, so we're reversing nature and having the gobblers 1402 01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,720 Speaker 1: come hunt us up. So he was gobbling good, he 1403 01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,880 Speaker 1: just wasn't coming into nothing. And I pulled out that 1404 01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,040 Speaker 1: aluminum call and hit him with that, and it turned 1405 01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,280 Speaker 1: him inside out. He just lost it. And I mean, 1406 01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,160 Speaker 1: I don't know what it triggered in his mind or 1407 01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,640 Speaker 1: what why that sound that day grabbed him, but man, 1408 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,720 Speaker 1: it grabbed him and he broke and came you know, 1409 01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,720 Speaker 1: he actually left two hens and came in right into me. 1410 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,040 Speaker 1: So the multiple calls you can carry, the better you 1411 01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,880 Speaker 1: are as far as you know being in the game. 1412 01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,240 Speaker 1: You don't want to get out there and have one 1413 01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,760 Speaker 1: call and then the bird night answering it and then 1414 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,400 Speaker 1: what do you do? You know, then you're kind of stuck. 1415 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,240 Speaker 1: So I carry a friction call, you know, my two 1416 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,600 Speaker 1: friction calls, I usually carry about four strikers because every 1417 01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,920 Speaker 1: striker I have a little bit different sounds. So the idea, 1418 01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,280 Speaker 1: you know, sound like the turkey that they want to 1419 01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:29,280 Speaker 1: hear that day. So that's that's the key. Gotcha. Um, 1420 01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,800 Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about the new Harrison Hooter 1421 01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,160 Speaker 1: and Harrison Hooter pro um. You guys have been calling 1422 01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:38,040 Speaker 1: in contests the last three weekends. The calls did exceptionally well. 1423 01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,280 Speaker 1: But um, you know, we kind of got together and 1424 01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,080 Speaker 1: you know, the Harrison Hooters kind of your what we'd 1425 01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:47,000 Speaker 1: called your our standard um, you know, fixed fixed exhaust Hooter. 1426 01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,600 Speaker 1: And then we've got the Harrison Hooter Pro. You brought 1427 01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,480 Speaker 1: to me, Um like, hey, how do we how do 1428 01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,240 Speaker 1: we get this adjustable? And you and we talked, you know, 1429 01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,440 Speaker 1: between me and you, we came up with different orifices 1430 01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,240 Speaker 1: and kind of you know, came up with that design 1431 01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,440 Speaker 1: you know, your idea, and then we kind of worked 1432 01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,160 Speaker 1: on O rings and ways to make it all work. Um. 1433 01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,720 Speaker 1: So now I believe when we make the claim it's 1434 01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:11,680 Speaker 1: their first adjustable hooter out there. Um, and it's a 1435 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,800 Speaker 1: full acrylic on that one. So give us a quick 1436 01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,760 Speaker 1: rundown on those two, um for all the listeners out there. 1437 01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,440 Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, no, the Uh you know, I I've 1438 01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,120 Speaker 1: been designing out hoooters for a while and I'm passionate 1439 01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:24,840 Speaker 1: about these ouhooters things, kind of like you are with 1440 01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,520 Speaker 1: the Elk. So you know, the the Harrison Hooter, which 1441 01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,080 Speaker 1: we made out of hard maple. Uh. The you know, 1442 01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,400 Speaker 1: we went with the maple just because maple's a great 1443 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,600 Speaker 1: tone wood. Plus it's just tough, you know, maple. You 1444 01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,160 Speaker 1: can abuse, you can hunt it, and uh, it's still 1445 01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,080 Speaker 1: gonna have a great sound. Uh. That's a fix. That's 1446 01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,600 Speaker 1: a fixed call. It has three exhaust holes in the bottom. Uh, 1447 01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,720 Speaker 1: you know, we set the insert in it, and uh, 1448 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,040 Speaker 1: that's your that's your sound. It's got a good, nice, 1449 01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,480 Speaker 1: rich sound to it. Uh, it's really smooth. That's the 1450 01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,600 Speaker 1: one I've been running in competition. You know. Uh, a 1451 01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,920 Speaker 1: lot of guys are you know, you know, turkey calling contest. 1452 01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,000 Speaker 1: You get guys and I'm guilty of it too. You 1453 01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,280 Speaker 1: want to build a race car, I call him race cars. 1454 01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,520 Speaker 1: You know. My original ouhore that I want a lot 1455 01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,320 Speaker 1: of contest with was a race car. I built it 1456 01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,760 Speaker 1: specifically for contest, and there was only one of them, 1457 01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,120 Speaker 1: and it was the one I ran this go around 1458 01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,960 Speaker 1: on this Harrison Hooter. When I got it done, it 1459 01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,680 Speaker 1: was so good that I am running, you know, at 1460 01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,560 Speaker 1: the All American this year, you know, at the Grand Nationals, 1461 01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:28,000 Speaker 1: at the Rolling Thunder, I'm running a production out Hooter 1462 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,880 Speaker 1: on stage. And that's that's really what I wanted. I 1463 01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:32,880 Speaker 1: wanted guys to be able to go buy our call, 1464 01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,360 Speaker 1: you know, and have the confidence to walk on a 1465 01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,200 Speaker 1: stage or any set of woods and have a call 1466 01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,240 Speaker 1: of that caliber and that quality that they could they 1467 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,080 Speaker 1: could do whatever they wanted with it. You know, a 1468 01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:45,680 Speaker 1: lot of times you go to a sports show. I've 1469 01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:47,200 Speaker 1: seen this in past, and the guy who will have 1470 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,120 Speaker 1: a call around his neck and he's blowing or whatever 1471 01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,320 Speaker 1: he's doing, you know, turkey call whatever, and you're like, man, 1472 01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:54,440 Speaker 1: let me buy that one. He's like, now that's my 1473 01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,800 Speaker 1: personal one. You know, well, I can honestly say, with 1474 01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,640 Speaker 1: me and you working on these things that are production 1475 01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,480 Speaker 1: calls is as good as my contest calls. I mean 1476 01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,720 Speaker 1: they're all the same as one, so the quality is there. 1477 01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:09,480 Speaker 1: So that's I'm man, I'm so excited and stoked about that. 1478 01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:13,240 Speaker 1: And then the Harrison Hooter pro That idea came to me. 1479 01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,240 Speaker 1: You know, a long time ago when I was contest 1480 01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,400 Speaker 1: calling a lot, I wanted to be able to change 1481 01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,520 Speaker 1: pitches and tones per room I was calling in, so 1482 01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,360 Speaker 1: if I was in a small room, I could change it, 1483 01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:23,840 Speaker 1: or if I was in a big room, I could 1484 01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,680 Speaker 1: change it, you know, buying pitch stuff like that. And 1485 01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,640 Speaker 1: then I got played with that idea and making some 1486 01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:32,640 Speaker 1: prototypes and I found that, you know, forget the contest 1487 01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:34,640 Speaker 1: idea of it, you know, that's that's an awesome deal, 1488 01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:38,320 Speaker 1: but the fact that now an individual can take that 1489 01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,439 Speaker 1: call and tune it to how they run a call, 1490 01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,000 Speaker 1: because that's the biggest problem I found with a lot 1491 01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:44,960 Speaker 1: of calls, whether it be an elk call, a duck call, 1492 01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,760 Speaker 1: or anything. Everybody's at a different level of calling, or 1493 01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:49,880 Speaker 1: they run it different, or they hold their hands different, 1494 01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:51,840 Speaker 1: or they hold their you know, they blow air through 1495 01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,280 Speaker 1: a call different. With that adjustable out hoooter, you can 1496 01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,640 Speaker 1: actually tweak and tune that call to how you like it. 1497 01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,880 Speaker 1: So if you're in an open area or a guy 1498 01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:02,640 Speaker 1: that likes to blow a lot of air pressure, you 1499 01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,600 Speaker 1: can open it up and use it that way and 1500 01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:07,640 Speaker 1: you know, have that sound that you want. Or if 1501 01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,680 Speaker 1: you're a you know, a light air pressure guy and 1502 01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:11,760 Speaker 1: you want to build that back pressure, you can choke 1503 01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:15,000 Speaker 1: that call down and make it softer and quieter. Where 1504 01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:16,800 Speaker 1: if you're in like a set of hardwood timbers and 1505 01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:20,600 Speaker 1: you don't want to blast that turkey off limb, you know, 1506 01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,160 Speaker 1: you can go that route. So the adjustable olhooter in 1507 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,200 Speaker 1: my world is the cats. The cats me out. I mean, 1508 01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,720 Speaker 1: it'll do so much and it has so much versatility 1509 01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,640 Speaker 1: and so much range that it's it's crazy. And the 1510 01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,000 Speaker 1: acrylic is is you know, you know as well as 1511 01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,360 Speaker 1: I do. When it comes to acrylic. The sound quality 1512 01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,000 Speaker 1: on acrylic is just it's just it's got a sound 1513 01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,520 Speaker 1: of its own that is just so clean and so clear. 1514 01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,400 Speaker 1: And on the Alhooters, on both of them, you know, 1515 01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,800 Speaker 1: an awl is only so big and he's only so loud. 1516 01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:52,280 Speaker 1: But that tone that they make carries so far through 1517 01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,800 Speaker 1: the woods. And that's one thing I'm happy about the 1518 01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,000 Speaker 1: Molehooters that they hit that tone spot on and you 1519 01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,280 Speaker 1: don't have to really blast them loud to get that out. 1520 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,280 Speaker 1: They get that sound to carry through the woods. So 1521 01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a I'm tickled to death, you know, 1522 01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,320 Speaker 1: the guy, the guys we got turning the barrels, Farst 1523 01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:11,360 Speaker 1: and stuff are absolutely perfect. You know, putting them together 1524 01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,240 Speaker 1: was a breeze. I mean, every one of them has 1525 01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:17,120 Speaker 1: been just home run all the way around. Yep. Now 1526 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm excited how they turned out. Um our first batch 1527 01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,160 Speaker 1: of the wood ones that you're using on stage already 1528 01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,120 Speaker 1: sold out, but we've got a replenishment coming in. By 1529 01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,880 Speaker 1: time this drops on Thursday, we should have them back 1530 01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,439 Speaker 1: in stock there hopefully. But yeah, they're doing real well. 1531 01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,600 Speaker 1: And you know I've told you before, you know, back 1532 01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,240 Speaker 1: in the day where I use the old palm or 1533 01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,160 Speaker 1: tube and you know these things, you know that had 1534 01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:39,760 Speaker 1: a great sound to it, but these things, in my 1535 01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:44,080 Speaker 1: opinion or you know, just just surpassed it and the 1536 01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,000 Speaker 1: sound quality, the ability to crank the volume up if 1537 01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:48,680 Speaker 1: I'm trying to locate a bird out in the open 1538 01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,200 Speaker 1: versus like you said, dial it back, um, if we're 1539 01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,520 Speaker 1: in a little hardwood draw. Um. I think the Hooter 1540 01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:58,720 Speaker 1: pro is just is where it's at for hunting alcohol um, 1541 01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,200 Speaker 1: And and really appreciate, Yeah, you're taking that on and 1542 01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,040 Speaker 1: letting us be a part of it, James, and being 1543 01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,200 Speaker 1: able to add it to our lineup. So oh man, 1544 01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,120 Speaker 1: I'm I'm tickled that you you know, you guys got it, 1545 01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,000 Speaker 1: that's for sure. I mean, and we're we're I'm excited 1546 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,520 Speaker 1: to be working with you because, uh, you know, we 1547 01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,200 Speaker 1: were just taking it to the you know, like I 1548 01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,080 Speaker 1: said on a lot of my stuff, I said, we're 1549 01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:19,559 Speaker 1: taking locator calls to the next level. And uh, I 1550 01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:21,479 Speaker 1: think that's what the ol hooters, you know, it's it's 1551 01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,599 Speaker 1: just like your elk calls. And just like the deer 1552 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,520 Speaker 1: Grunners we worked on. We don't ever settle for satisfied 1553 01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,200 Speaker 1: We're always working and always trying to make something better 1554 01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,560 Speaker 1: because no even as even as good as that adjustable 1555 01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,439 Speaker 1: ol hooter is, I can promise you, I'm already thinking 1556 01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:38,280 Speaker 1: about how ways I can make it just a little 1557 01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:40,360 Speaker 1: bit better here and there, a little bit tweaks, because 1558 01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,720 Speaker 1: you know, that's why we work so good together with 1559 01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,479 Speaker 1: James Harrison Phelps game calls is. Uh, we're always trying 1560 01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,280 Speaker 1: to strive for something better and and getting the hunter 1561 01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,880 Speaker 1: the quality product that you know they're spending their heart 1562 01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:53,960 Speaker 1: and money for that, you know, And uh, I take 1563 01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,880 Speaker 1: that serious that they're spending their money and we're putting 1564 01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,240 Speaker 1: a product out that they can count on and rely on. 1565 01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:01,760 Speaker 1: And I don't have to worry, you know when I 1566 01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:05,080 Speaker 1: when I know they're getting the best product that from 1567 01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,680 Speaker 1: both of us, because everything so far we've done, it's 1568 01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:10,840 Speaker 1: been phenomenal and I see nothing but awesome, you know. 1569 01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:23,880 Speaker 1: Future head In closing here, James, what is one tip 1570 01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,200 Speaker 1: you feel you would give that you could give that 1571 01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:29,000 Speaker 1: would give Turkey hunters better odds and finding success this year? 1572 01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,400 Speaker 1: Oh man, My one tip, I guess if I had 1573 01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,040 Speaker 1: to be and this is gonna be an old man 1574 01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:39,400 Speaker 1: tip as a man patience, patience, and scout a lot. 1575 01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,360 Speaker 1: You know, the more patience you can have, Like I said, 1576 01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,960 Speaker 1: turkeys don't wear watches. You know, when you're in the 1577 01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,000 Speaker 1: woods hunting, whether it be you know, a turkey, elk 1578 01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,400 Speaker 1: or whatever, you're on their time. So I try not 1579 01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,600 Speaker 1: to push situations. I watched the birds. The more you 1580 01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,240 Speaker 1: can learn about them, the better off you're gonna be. 1581 01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,120 Speaker 1: The more you can scout them, the better off and 1582 01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,760 Speaker 1: more success you're gonna have. And just having patience, you know, 1583 01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,680 Speaker 1: don't you know, just like you said hunting Easterns, you know, 1584 01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:05,640 Speaker 1: you then Virgil was there and you just couldn't hear them, 1585 01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,600 Speaker 1: but they were just right there the whole time. You know, 1586 01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,120 Speaker 1: patience is the key, I guess if you wanted to 1587 01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,240 Speaker 1: be if I had to tell one, you know, people, 1588 01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,800 Speaker 1: one thing is just had patience, you know. I mean 1589 01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,479 Speaker 1: we live in a world of instant now. You know, 1590 01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:19,519 Speaker 1: if if I have a question, I can Google it 1591 01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,400 Speaker 1: and it's there automatically. In the Turkey words, they don't 1592 01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:25,599 Speaker 1: have Google. So patience is the key. Patience, patience, patience. 1593 01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,240 Speaker 1: All right, thanks for that one. And closing, how can 1594 01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,080 Speaker 1: people find out more about you? Is? You know, some 1595 01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,240 Speaker 1: of the other calls, some of your even your custom stuff. 1596 01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:35,360 Speaker 1: You're still doing. You and you and Cody and Carter 1597 01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,519 Speaker 1: and your guys is hunting. How can people find out 1598 01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,120 Speaker 1: more about Yeah, I've got the you know, I've got 1599 01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:43,400 Speaker 1: the Facebook page. It's a Harrison Custom Calls. That's usually 1600 01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,080 Speaker 1: where I just put my hand turned one of a 1601 01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,240 Speaker 1: kind al hooters on, you know, make them out of 1602 01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,680 Speaker 1: different woods or exotics and stuff like that. We have 1603 01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:54,720 Speaker 1: an Instagram which is is Harrison Custom Calls or you're 1604 01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:58,599 Speaker 1: just you know James Harrison. Cody's on there too, he's 1605 01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,800 Speaker 1: you know, Cody Harrison. Then harder and uh, We're we're 1606 01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,880 Speaker 1: pretty reachable. Just look farst there and then we'll be 1607 01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,120 Speaker 1: all over this spring as far as uh, Kentucky, Missouri, 1608 01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:09,920 Speaker 1: hunting in a little bit everywhere. I'm gonna try to 1609 01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,160 Speaker 1: since you got so many turkeys out in Washington, I'm 1610 01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,000 Speaker 1: just gonna try to start looking for plane tickets coming 1611 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,800 Speaker 1: out there and kill some turkeys out there. There you go. 1612 01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,040 Speaker 1: You can literally land in Spokane, go any direction and 1613 01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,280 Speaker 1: you'll be fine out It's good. One of these days 1614 01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,760 Speaker 1: we need to get you out here. Um and uh, 1615 01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:24,360 Speaker 1: just planning a hunt and put it on the book, 1616 01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,120 Speaker 1: so it'll be it'll be a blast put a big 1617 01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:30,280 Speaker 1: Turkey camp together. So um, we appreciate having you on. Yeah, 1618 01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:33,080 Speaker 1: really appreciate having you on today, James. And good luck 1619 01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,640 Speaker 1: this spring and uh well I'm sure we'll be in 1620 01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:37,760 Speaker 1: touch all week is we're building more out Hooters and 1621 01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:41,360 Speaker 1: getting stuff, you know, getting getting great hunting calls out 1622 01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,600 Speaker 1: to all the customers and listeners out there. Awesome. I 1623 01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,880 Speaker 1: appreciate the time, man, Thanks dude, Yea, take care of