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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Second hour Clay and Buck kicks off.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: You will recall that we were discussing during the Claudine

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Speaker 2: Gay controversy, who stepped down as president of Harvard. Remember

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Speaker 2: for saying that it would not be a violation of

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Speaker 2: Harvard's code of conduct per se to call for the

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Speaker 2: extermination of the Jewish people.

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Speaker 1: That was a problem.

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Speaker 2: And then beyond that, it was found that she had

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Speaker 2: engaged in dozens of instances of plagiarism which were indefensible.

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Speaker 2: We know that because nobody could actually defend them, and

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Speaker 2: they very much wanted to. They would have tried to

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Speaker 2: with everything that they had, but there was no defense.

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Speaker 2: It's cut and paste, you can see it. So you

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Speaker 2: go then beyond that and think, hold on, why am

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Speaker 2: I bringing this up now? Well, she also was one

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Speaker 2: of the loudest voices is among the faculty at Harvard demanding.

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Speaker 1: The removal of tenure.

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Speaker 2: Which is one of the things we all know about

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Speaker 2: the university system. Tenure does not get taken from p

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Speaker 2: I mean you have to you're talking like triple homicide

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Speaker 2: or something for your tenure to get taken away. It

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Speaker 2: is unheard of in the university system. I mean it

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Speaker 2: can occur, I think, but only under extreme circumstances. She

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Speaker 2: wanted Claudine Gay wanted the tenure of Roland Fryar to.

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Speaker 1: Be taken away.

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Speaker 2: Now, just a quick and we've talked about Roland Fryar

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Speaker 2: during the situation for sexual harassment, by the way, not

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Speaker 2: a violent crime, not rape, but sexual harassment comments in

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Speaker 2: front of female colleagues, if memory serves, that was the

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Speaker 2: primary problem. And there was an investigation. They found nothing

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Speaker 2: substantive or nothing worthy of discipline, but she wanted them fired.

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Speaker 1: She wanted.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Roland Fryar is the youngest professor to get tenure in

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Speaker 2: the history of Harvard University. I think he got ato

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Speaker 2: thirty four years old.

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Speaker 1: He is black.

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Speaker 2: He is an exceptional economist and has won tons of

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Speaker 2: awards and published a body of work that shows both

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Speaker 2: skill and expertise, and on top of that is meaningful

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Speaker 2: to the national discourse on a range of issues, for

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Speaker 2: example clay. And this is going to tie in, I

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Speaker 2: think in a second here to the discussion we were

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Speaker 2: having yesterday about shootings, whether it's at the parade for

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Speaker 2: the kansaditate chiefs or just the way the media covers

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Speaker 2: violence and shootings in general. But two of the most

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Speaker 2: well known papers that Roland Fryar has written. One of

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Speaker 2: them was a study where he looked at the use

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Speaker 2: of distinctly African American names and life outcome, because there

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Speaker 2: was this theory out there that people had come to

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Speaker 2: believe very broadly, if you give your child a distinctly

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Speaker 2: African American name, you are setting them up for a

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Speaker 2: more difficult life in the workplace and things like that

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Speaker 2: they'll face discrimination.

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Speaker 1: Effectively.

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Speaker 2: Friar crunched all the numbers and found out that that

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Speaker 2: is not true when you control for socioeconomic origin.

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Speaker 1: Basically, does this.

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Speaker 2: Person come from a two parent household with a income

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Speaker 2: of eighty thousand dollars a year, Well, then that the

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Speaker 2: name doesn't You can call them somebody whatever you want

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Speaker 2: to call them as his name doesn't matter right when

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Speaker 2: you control for that.

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Speaker 1: So that was a big paper.

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Speaker 2: And then clay the one that got him in trouble,

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Speaker 2: and he talked about this recently with Barry Weiss over

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Speaker 2: at the Free Press, was he did an analysis of

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Speaker 2: police involved activity. What he found was that use of

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Speaker 2: comes to more min force, so you know, frisking, any

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Speaker 2: more likely to happen with police to blackmail interactions. That's

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Speaker 2: what his analysis found. But he also found, and this

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Speaker 2: the same circumstances. Based on the data. The left went

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Speaker 2: I was here he is saying this, explaining this is

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Speaker 4: Yes, we saw some bias in the low level uses

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Speaker 4: of force every day, pushing up against cars and things

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Speaker 4: didn't find any racial bias in place shootings. Now, that

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Speaker 4: was posted for four minutes when I got my first email,

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Speaker 4: this is full of it doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 1: And I wrote back, how'd you read it? That fast.

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Speaker 4: I had colleagues take me into the side and say,

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Speaker 4: don't publish this. You're ruin your career. I said, what's

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Speaker 4: wrong with it?

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Speaker 1: Do you believe the first part? Yes? Do you believe

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Speaker 1: the second part?

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Speaker 4: Well, it's the issue is they just don't fit together.

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Speaker 4: I said to them, if the second part showed bias,

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Speaker 4: do you think I should publish it then? And they say, yeah,

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Speaker 4: then it would make sense.

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Speaker 2: Clay, I think we all understand why the truth does

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Speaker 2: not matter in society these days.

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Speaker 5: I also think it makes logical sense. And some of

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Speaker 5: you are going to say, maybe your eyebrows go up.

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Speaker 5: You say, what do you mean by that? I think

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Speaker 5: there has been so much focus on police shootings of minorities,

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Speaker 5: black people in particular, that police officers know what happened

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Speaker 5: if they get it wrong, such that they actually are

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Speaker 5: less It makes total sense to me, Buck, And I

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Speaker 5: bet what you see is the data has become even

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Speaker 5: more pronounced in the year since, because if any cop

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Speaker 5: watched the George Floyd video, any cop watched that video,

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Speaker 5: any cop watches any of these viral shooting videos. Cops

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Speaker 5: know that they only get scrutinized now.

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Speaker 1: If they shoot a black guy.

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Speaker 5: We've seen some of these videos buck of white guys

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Speaker 5: getting shot by police officers.

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Speaker 1: The one and you may remember the guy's name.

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Speaker 2: When Arizona, Daniel Shaver killed by officer Brailsford on video

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Speaker 5: Yes, it is I think the worst example of a

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Speaker 5: least violent act on video that I've ever seen. The

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Speaker 5: district attorney charged the The Tyree Nichols case was also brutal.

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Speaker 5: But what happened when the with the case in Arizona,

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Speaker 5: the white kid. The district attorney charged it as manslaughter,

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Speaker 5: and a jury inexplicably to me, found him not guilty,

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Speaker 5: most grotesque miss miscarriages of justice when it comes to

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Speaker 2: Forest shooting of every I mean there was also the

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Speaker 2: one in South Carolina where the individual was running away.

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Speaker 2: I mean that was an execution that, yes, but that

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Speaker 1: This cop got away with it.

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Speaker 5: One in Arizona, and the data reflects, and this blows

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Speaker 5: people's mind that seventy five percent of all police shootings

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Speaker 5: involve races other than black people.

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Speaker 1: And when you.

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Speaker 5: Say that, it's it's as if the world is completely

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Speaker 5: different than what people anticipated. Fifty percent of people that

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Speaker 5: get shot and killed by police are white, around twenty

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Speaker 5: five percent are Hispanic or other, twenty five percent are black,

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Speaker 5: and that means seventy five percent of all police shootings

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Speaker 5: involve people other than black individuals, and it's studying most

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Speaker 5: people have no.

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Speaker 1: Concept of that reality.

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Speaker 5: Now, it's true that black people represent whatever, thirteen percent

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Speaker 5: of population, so per capita, that's an exaggerated number, but

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Speaker 5: police don't interact with everybody evenly. Black people commit violent

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Speaker 5: so they interact with police more frequently.

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Speaker 1: There's so much here.

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Speaker 2: There's obviously, are the way that shootings and violence are

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Speaker 2: the general mass perception of these issues, and that's what

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Speaker 2: he was going to here.

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Speaker 1: And there have been other instances.

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Speaker 2: I mean, for example, it was there was a study

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Speaker 2: that was done a long time ago, and a hat

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Speaker 2: looked at driving on the New Jersey Turnpike. And there

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Speaker 2: was this belief that driving on the New Jersey which

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Speaker 1: And there was a belief that somehow.

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Speaker 2: State troopers were being racist because of the numbers of

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Speaker 2: people that they were pulling over who were black.

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Speaker 1: That was the story.

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Speaker 2: So they set up speed cameras to look at this

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Speaker 2: They set up speed cameras and well, first of all,

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Speaker 2: as anyone could think this one through right, cars going

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Speaker 2: and you're just you're just you know, putting it on

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Speaker 2: It was the case that basically everyone speeds as a

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Speaker 2: Men, by the way, equally black, Hispanic, white. You know,

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Speaker 2: I think actually Asians sped less than the rest. But

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Speaker 2: less speeding. But you know, effectively, everybody was speeding in

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Speaker 2: when it came to extreme speeding twenty five miles an

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Speaker 2: what ninety miles an hour plus, Yeah, and that and

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Speaker 2: so so when you look at the data, you say, well,

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Speaker 2: it's actually just telling us that, for whatever reason, on

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Speaker 2: the most likely to be pulled over because cops will

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Speaker 2: let you go usually five ten miles an hour over.

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Speaker 1: Similar thing here.

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Speaker 2: You look at these stories, and whether it's about the

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Speaker 2: names or about the shootings play, we're supposed to believe

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Speaker 2: certain things, and that's what Harvard was telling Professor Fryer,

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Speaker 2: you're supposed to believe it even if it's not true.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter that it's not true to them. And

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Speaker 2: that's what I think is also so key about this buck.

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Speaker 5: They said, in theory, why do you do a study

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Speaker 5: to confirm whether something that you believe is true or false?

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Speaker 5: That's the entire purpose of it. You have a hypothesis,

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Speaker 5: you have a theory. You do a study to determine

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Speaker 5: whether or not it is reflective of reality. What they

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Speaker 5: were telling him at Harvard was, you can't publish a

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Speaker 5: study that challenges what our beliefs already are in theory.

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Speaker 5: That's what science should do, right, the existence of science

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Speaker 5: or study in general, It's really not very interesting. If

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Speaker 5: I think that's true oftentimes, and I always like to

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Speaker 1: And I'm a dude. Most of the time, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: But subjective lists are fun. You know.

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Speaker 2: It's like best action movie from the nineteen eighties, nineteen nineties,

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Speaker 7: The nineteen twelve Theodore Roosevelt Progressive Party Bullmoose platform was

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Speaker 5: What are you making to Clay this Of all the

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Speaker 5: Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and Andrew Jackson and many other

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Speaker 5: also play though, Michael Bechlos. Remember this is the same

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Speaker 5: guy who went on MSNBC and said that if Republicans

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Speaker 5: won the twenty twenty two midterms that this might be

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Speaker 5: the last free election we had and that there were

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Speaker 5: gonna be people maybe getting lined up and shot based

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Speaker 5: on their political opinions. Listen to this cut, which we

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Speaker 5: also have with him. And this is important, Buck, because

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Speaker 5: I do think this is what we were saying yesterday.

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Speaker 5: It's not only that they have Trump as the worst president.

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Speaker 5: It's that they have Biden as a really good president,

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Speaker 5: and they have Obama ranked really highly. And the reason

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Speaker 5: why they do that is many of their sources worked

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Speaker 5: in those administrations and they're afraid of upsetting people. This

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Speaker 5: is why I said, you can't really judge a president

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Speaker 5: until everybody who was in that presidential administration has basically died,

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Speaker 5: and we can look at it in a historical context.

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Speaker 5: But this is how broken some of the brains are

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Speaker 5: of these people. Listen to Bechelohs. This is a historian

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Speaker 5: and imminent scholar of our nation saying, hey, if Republicans

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Speaker 5: win into mid terms, people are going to get lined

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Speaker 5: up and shot.

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Speaker 7: Listen, we could be six days away from losing our

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Speaker 7: rule of law and losing a situation where we have

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Speaker 7: elections that we all can rely on. You know, those

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Speaker 7: are the foundation stones of a democracy. And a historian

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Speaker 7: fifty years from now, if historians are allowed to ride

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Speaker 7: in this country, and if there are still free publishing

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Speaker 7: houses and a free press, which I'm not certain of,

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Speaker 7: but if that is true, a historian will say what

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Speaker 7: was at stake tonight and this week was the fact

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Speaker 7: whether we will be a democracy in the future, whether

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Speaker 7: our children will be arrested and conceivably killed. We're on

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Speaker 7: the edge of a brutal authoritarian system and it could

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Speaker 7: be a week away.

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Speaker 2: I think he needs to eat some red meat and

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Speaker 2: go for a walk in the sunshine. I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 2: like this guy, I think he's suffering from some testosterone

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Speaker 2: deficiency or something. I mean, who could really believe this stuff?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 5: And I mean you mentioned this also with who's the

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Speaker 5: individual who's buddies now with not Bechelos, but the guy.

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Speaker 1: Meetchum on MSNBA.

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Speaker 5: Meetchum lives down the road for me in Nashville and

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Speaker 5: has been I've read a lot of his books historically.

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Speaker 5: When I read about something he wrote two hundred years ago,

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Speaker 5: I think to myself, Okay, this guy has a decent perspective.

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Speaker 5: His analysis is not totally out of whack. What you

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Speaker 5: see is the present day totally is destructive to most historians'

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Speaker 5: ability to analyze the present day. You need space, you

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Speaker 5: need distance, you need oftentimes a lot of the people

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Speaker 5: who were the luminaries, who were actually alive to have

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Speaker 5: passed on until you can consider them in the larger context.

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Speaker 5: And that's why we don't even know what the impact

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Speaker 5: of many of the people in the last twenty years

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Speaker 5: who've been president's truly going to be for another fifty years.

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Speaker 2: Well, historian and obvious genius. Joy Reid weighed in on

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Speaker 2: Trump being ranked as the worst US president, And here

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Speaker 2: is MSNBC paying her millions of dollars to give you

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Speaker 2: takes like this cut ten play it?

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Speaker 1: When is the crash?

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Speaker 7: I hope it's going to be doing this next twelve

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Speaker 7: months because I don't want to be Herbert.

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Speaker 2: Hoover the one president. I just don't want to be

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Speaker 2: Herbert Hoover.

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Speaker 1: Wait.

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Speaker 2: Joy Reid on Trump ranked his worst US president. He

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Speaker 2: got his wish. He's way worse than Herbert Hoover. That

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Speaker 2: is what it says her full take. So the funniest

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Speaker 2: thing of maybe we still have that cut.

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Speaker 5: The funniest thing I've seen about Joy Reid lately is

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Speaker 5: she claims to hate Trump, but she seems to be

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Speaker 5: trying to copy his hairstyle. Have you seen Joy Reid

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Speaker 5: now with the super blonde hair side by side with

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump? I think maybe she's falling in love with Trump.

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Speaker 5: He claims to hate him. The reality is she wants

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Speaker 5: to have the same hairstyle. And she also came out

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Speaker 5: recently buck did you see and said that she wants reparations.

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Speaker 5: And then many people kind of did the research and

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Speaker 5: they said Wait a minute, Joy Reid's parents are immigrants.

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Speaker 5: She spent no time in America having to deal with

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Speaker 5: the legacy of slavery. Leaving aside the absurdity of the

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Speaker 5: idea of reparations, the idea of someone coming to America

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Speaker 5: in the last thirty or forty years and claiming that

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Speaker 5: she is entitled to reparations for what happened is absolutely bonkers.

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Speaker 5: And again, I'm not sure where Trump is going to rank.

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Speaker 5: I feel very confident that he's going to rank above

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden, and I think Joe Biden's going to be

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Speaker 5: a one term president. But the idea that you can

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Speaker 5: rank somebody in real time with absolute certainty, everybody out

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Speaker 5: there should just be asking yourself the questions, Wait a minute,

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Speaker 5: Trump's the worst president of all time according to these historians,

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Speaker 5: other than COVID, which Trump had absolutely nothing to do with.

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Speaker 5: What could you really point to Buck pre Covid? Right

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Speaker 5: four years ago, at this time, COVID was just starting

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Speaker 5: to kind of percolate up. But pre COVID, what could

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Speaker 5: you point to and say? Trump did an awful job

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Speaker 5: on Again, he didn't cause COVID. And I think many

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Speaker 5: of you out there are like bucking me. You wish

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Speaker 5: that he had done a better job with COVID, But

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Speaker 5: what can you point to that he actually created or

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Speaker 5: responded to that was bad in any way pre COVID?

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Speaker 5: I can't, I honestly can't even point to anything out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, I mean I thought the guy did a

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Speaker 5: I think that's kind of the baseline as you start

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Speaker 5: to as you start to break all that down, where

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Speaker 5: exactly would you point to and say Trump failed here?

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Speaker 5: To say that he's the worst that there is out there?

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Speaker 5: I think is a is a super difficult position to

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Speaker 1: Else, and we were talking.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's being discussed enough, and we need

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Speaker 1: In the next hour.

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Speaker 5: We will that Kevin O'Leary, mister wonderful take on how

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Speaker 5: many different people and entities and organizations are pulling out

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Speaker 5: of New York State in the wake of the verdict

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Speaker 5: they put in against the Trump organization. But even if

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Speaker 5: you are insanely wealthy, you could be a billionaire worth

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Speaker 5: four or five billion dollars billion with a b most

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Speaker 5: forty million dollars in cash.

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Speaker 1: What they are trying to do to Trump both with the.

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Speaker 5: Sexual assault ridiculous situation with the eighty eight million that

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Speaker 5: he's going to have to put forward, and then what

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Speaker 5: they're also doing now with the three hundred and fifty

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Speaker 5: million they're trying to make him have to put forward

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Speaker 5: four hundred and forty roughly million dollars. No one, even billionaires,

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Speaker 5: typically has liquid assets of that nature. This is an

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Speaker 5: unprecedented attempt to attack Donald Trump financially in a way

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Speaker 5: that no one in the history of the United States

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Speaker 5: has ever been attacked. And I don't think people are

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Speaker 5: talking enough about what they're doing to him right now

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Speaker 5: and how there is no precedent for it ever in

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Speaker 5: the history of the United States. This has never happened.

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Speaker 5: They did the research on it in New York. No

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Speaker 5: company's ever been treated like this. We will continue to

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Speaker 5: follow it, though. I just wonder how this plays out.

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Speaker 5: I don't think that anyone has a good answer yet.

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Speaker 2: But let's get to Bob in Florida, thirty one year

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Speaker 2: police veteran.

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Speaker 1: What's going on? Bob? All right? And hey, Bob, you're

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Speaker 1: on the right with you all right?

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Speaker 3: Listening to your earlier segment about police officers and violence

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Speaker 3: and that guy actually getting pilloried for showing the truth. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I can tell you after thirty one years in the MILIC,

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Speaker 3: thirty one years, and a large metropolitan police force, we

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Speaker 3: all of us talk about this roll call training. I've

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Speaker 3: taught firearms for years and years and years. There is

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Speaker 3: not a deputy police officer, game warden, anybody who wakes

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Speaker 3: up and says, I'm gonna kill somebody today. That's my

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Speaker 3: mission today. You do that, you take a human life,

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Speaker 3: and your military and or police career is destroyed. You

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Speaker 3: are put on suspension for years, you are continually looked at,

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Speaker 3: you are plastered all over the paper. There is not

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Speaker 3: a single police officer that I know of, and I

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Speaker 3: have thousands of them on my side.

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Speaker 1: With this.

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Speaker 3: None of us want to do that we would like

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Speaker 3: to be the best salesman in the world. We are

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Speaker 3: selling handcuffs. How difficult is that. We don't want you

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Speaker 3: to fight, We want you to go peacefully. We want

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Speaker 3: to go home. We want to go home to our

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Speaker 3: wife and kids, our dogs, our families, whatever it is.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for the call, Buck. I think it's one

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Speaker 5: hundred percent right. And that's the downside. We have spent

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Speaker 5: four years now allowing police officers to be demonized, and

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Speaker 5: we're just starting to see the consequences of that because

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Speaker 5: the most talented and skilled police officers, many of them

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Speaker 5: are retiring or going to different fields, and you're having

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Speaker 5: real difficulty recruiting young police officers because they all see

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Speaker 5: what potentially they could be facing.

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Speaker 2: My uncle was LAPD. I worked an intel division, which

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Speaker 2: is a little different. I was a civilian, but I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't encourage a family member to go and work for

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Speaker 2: the NYPD these days, not because I don't think being

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Speaker 2: a police officer is honorable and super important. It is

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Speaker 2: both both of those things, but I couldn't say that

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Speaker 2: he or she would be protected from the gureacracy and

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Speaker 2: the politics