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Speaker 1: gonna start out with this is a segment called Love

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Speaker 1: in the Time of covid Um. Joe Frigno Ferronado's it's

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Speaker 1: Joe's middle name. No one knows. Joe Ferronado's middle name

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Speaker 1: is Friggno. Uh. It's a secret that I would like

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Speaker 1: to keep, but you had ruined that for me. Your

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Speaker 1: big wedding. The wedding has been a real problem for

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Speaker 1: me because I wanted to go. I want to go

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Speaker 1: to a wedding. Yeah, I hate, I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: leave very early. I leave weddings real early. But I

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Speaker 1: wanted to go anyway. And then we had a live

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Speaker 1: show which conflicted with your wedding, and the live show

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Speaker 1: got canceled because the global pandemic. Um. If we had

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Speaker 1: the live show, I was gonna have a part of

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Speaker 1: the live show be that Joe streams in from his wedding.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have we has a screen arranged. What was

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Speaker 1: the what night? What venue was going to coincide with

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Speaker 1: the he was Pittsburgh? Is that what it was? Whatever

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Speaker 1: the hell we're getting We even had it timed out,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna catch Joe around the middle of our show.

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Speaker 1: He'd probably faced one. I could only because it's like

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Speaker 1: nine or ten at night and he's gonna call in.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna zap him onto the screen and

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Speaker 1: and see how it was going. See if you had

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Speaker 1: any regrets from earlier in the day when he got married.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully that wouldn't have happened if he'd come out and

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Speaker 1: been like, dude, I don't know what I was thinking.

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Speaker 1: Things have changed, but you still have your tuxs on, Joe, Um,

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Speaker 1: so what are you gonna do now? Like what happens

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Speaker 1: you go down to the courthouse, like, are you gonna

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Speaker 1: have a wedding? Well, as of right now, we're we're

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Speaker 1: still going forward with the plans because I mean, we're

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Speaker 1: getting married up in Lakeside or we want to get

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Speaker 1: bit more because I don't know how many lake sides

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Speaker 1: there are in this lakeside Montana up one more than one,

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Speaker 1: probably quite a few. Real quick. This ties into my

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Speaker 1: I got married in Michigan, I grew up in town

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Speaker 1: called Twin Lake. And one of my bodies from New York, like,

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Speaker 1: it's coming to the wedding and we're having like the

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Speaker 1: pre party, what you call the pre party, and he

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Speaker 1: be here, you know. He never showed up. And eventually

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Speaker 1: he calls, He's like, well, I'm in Twin Lakes. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: what do you see? Goes by the water tower, Mike, dude,

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Speaker 1: in the wrong Twin Lake, Like, how wrong? How far away?

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Speaker 1: I think? He's like three or four hours he went

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Speaker 1: to I guess what it was because I didn't even

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Speaker 1: know this place existed. I was from Twin Lake. He

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Speaker 1: went to Twin Lakes. I was like, there's such a

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Speaker 1: send out your wedding invitations because you're lakeside people are

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Speaker 1: of right now, we haven't canceled anything because, you know,

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Speaker 1: as everyone knows, it's all changing daily and Montana seems

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Speaker 1: So we're waiting until June second. I believe it is

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Speaker 1: So we're we're heavily debating on when probably would be, now,

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Speaker 1: well we I'm married. Phil, you're married. Uh, Steve, you're married.

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Speaker 1: you'd like that, like listen, being married last a long time,

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Speaker 1: across yeah years, Like you know, some people thought about

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Speaker 1: I I enjoy weddings. I enjoyed my own wedding. I'm

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Speaker 1: looking forward to Joe's wedding. See when I get And

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Speaker 1: I hesitate to say this because I, uh, when I

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Speaker 1: get a wedding invitation, Um, Joe's notwithstanding. I'm serious, Joe's

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't look forward to you as much. I got it.

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Speaker 1: I got married in the in the courthouse. But I

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Speaker 1: love going on other people's wedding. Well, why did you

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so you guys ran down the courthouse? Yeah

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Speaker 1: or postpone it and then go to the courthouse and

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Speaker 1: the dressing up. How long you've been dating? Three years?

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Speaker 1: Four years? Four years? People should know that when they

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Speaker 1: write in an email, UM, it might not immediately pass

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Speaker 1: through Joe's hands with a pat When they write an

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Speaker 1: When they send terrible photos, they should put a warning

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Speaker 1: before I opened those. Yeah, you're gonna have PTSD from

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Speaker 1: some of our finger removal photos that come your way.

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Speaker 1: See those aren't that bad. I just hated the chaffing

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Speaker 1: snap happen and mushrooms start shooting up. So um, yeah,

423
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: I'm I'm dying to know because yeah, I've spread mushroom

424
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: spores all over, and like I put down in that

425
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 1: article that you helped me with, um like I have

426
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: when I'm packing mushrooms around, I do my best to

427
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: let those spores drop on the ground as I'm packing

428
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 1: them around the woods before I had head for home.

429
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: I've heard that, and I don't know where this is

430
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: that because this is something that I heard a long

431
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: long time ago when I first started to develop an

432
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: interest in wild mushrooms. But I remember seeing where someone

433
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: saying that, like sewing spores. Maybe not hesitate to say

434
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: this because it's kind of been negated by the fact

435
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: that you can seed mushrooms, but someone saying that, like

436
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: you carrying your morals in a basket, say so that

437
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: the spores can fall out that that that's like it's

438
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: laughable that that would be effective. And the argument, and

439
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not weighing in on this, I'm just

440
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: selling like an argument that was articulated to me was

441
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: that their omnipresent. Yeah, so you know they've done these studies.

442
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: I remember looking at this one time they went and

443
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: doing a school, okay, and they like came in with

444
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: some mushroom or and other in a sealed container. And

445
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: they opened it in a room of the school, and

446
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: they waited periods of time and took air samples right

447
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: around the school, and like how long it was till

448
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: that until spores from that mushroom could be located no

449
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: matter where you took an air sample in the school.

450
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,719
Speaker 1: I think I'm getting this right. Uh. And they were

451
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: saying that it's like all the spores are everywhere. It's

452
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: just is it suitable. Like the limiting factor is the

453
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: suitability of the habitat. The limiting factor is not the

454
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: presence of the seed. But then, um, the fact that

455
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: I personally know people who seed and yield and get

456
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: wild mushrooms kind of like flies in the face of that. Yeah. Yeah,

457
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,479
Speaker 1: and and and this guy, this professor at this party

458
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: was except for the fact that you're making the habitat too. Yeah,

459
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: You're not just throwing seeds around, You're making habitat. And

460
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 1: and I because the host of the party, um was

461
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: one of my mushroom picking buddies. And he has like

462
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: the big custom packed basket. And part of the deal

463
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: with the basket is not only breathability for your mushrooms

464
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: so to keep getting all funky, but also to let

465
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: those spores drop, and he was just like, man, it's

466
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: like there's spores on this kitchen counter right now, there's

467
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: spores on the freaking lamp post outside. He's like they're

468
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: just He's like, they are everywhere. It's like coronavirus. Man.

469
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: And I have found on those days, you know, it's

470
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: like good soaking rain and then all of a sudden

471
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of muggy in the morning and eighty degrees.

472
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: And I have found mushrooms in crazy places because all

473
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: of a sudden, like god, it's just kind of mushroom weather,

474
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: and I just look, Yeah, you found one, uh, gravel

475
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: patch next to a manhole cover in downtown Boise. Yeah,

476
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. When I was a tree man, we would

477
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: now and then find morell's growing out of wood chips.

478
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, And it'd be like you're just being

479
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: a hard or whatever, or even in a place where

480
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: like because you tread bark when you're tree man, you

481
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: just have a lot of exposure to wood chips and

482
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: bark and whatnot. And now and then you'd see we're

483
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: almost shredded. Um, you know, an apple tree or cotton

484
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: wood or somehow there was some mycelium there. I don't

485
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: really know how it works. And then nowhere near a

486
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: living specimen of the tree that it would associate with

487
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: would be a moral sticking out of a wood chip pile.

488
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: And I always just made the assumption that that was

489
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: a you know, like an appropriate host tree that has

490
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: been ground up and carried like the requisite Yeah that,

491
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: and then it just found the requisite whatever. And then

492
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: here it is growing in some dudes it makes a shade, sun, heat,

493
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: cold water. Yeah. Here it was growing like out of

494
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: a wood chip pile on top of a guy's driveway

495
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: or something. You know. Yeah, I don't have a lot

496
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: of faith that like carrying morales in a basket or

497
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: like a mesh bag will help you probably get more

498
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: morale mushrooms in the future. Um, I think it's been

499
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 1: showing it, like they release most of their spores as

500
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: soon as they emerge from the ground. But it's like

501
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon talks about with his super extensive set and

502
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: control process that he does for white tails, to like,

503
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: if it gives him a one percent chance better odds

504
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: of killing that deer or something like that, then he's

505
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: going to do it. And this is just like such

506
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: a low, just like such a low effort thing to

507
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: do that. If it helps, awesome, If it doesn't, You're

508
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: not like giving up anything. When people say like do

509
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: you really need do you really need camo to kill

510
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: an elk? I'm like, uh, proved to me that it hurts,

511
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: proved to me that it's a deficit. You know. Yeah,

512
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: and where's our definitions of needs right now? Um? But

513
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: the big thing for me for air, oh you're those

514
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: baskets and mesh bags and stuff like that, is you

515
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: will get like if you're not careful, like you leave

516
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of morales in a cooler, uh or a

517
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: plastic bag or you know, something that lacks that breatheability,

518
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: you will get within you know, six seven hours, a

519
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: white mold forming on on those rooms, which which I

520
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: have eaten plenty of times because I wasn't gonna give

521
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: up on the mushroom. But um, it doesn't look good.

522
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: I was actively drying some morrells when I got a

523
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: call with my dad tell me he has six months

524
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: to live. That's interesting. He was dead on nuts too,

525
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: because he died like just right after Christmas Day, so

526
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: you could go dead, amls. He's like Steve how's this

527
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: date worked for it? I'll be there and you don't

528
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: have any disdain for morrels, then, no, I just remember that.

529
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: I remember like where I was staying, what I was doing.

530
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: We've taken the like cal we were talking about. We

531
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: had taken the door off the We've taken the screen

532
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: door off the house, put it over to saw horses

533
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: and were drying Morrell's out of it. And the phone rang.

534
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: That's wild. Oh no, but you didn't explain the mushroom shaving.

535
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So I picked a bunch mushrooms, not a bunch,

536
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: but my first ones of the year when I was

537
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: out chasing turkeys around. Uh what were those mushrooms doing? So? Uh?

538
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: It was odd. So they're real dark, like the mushrooms

539
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: that you would associate with burn more cell eton or

540
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: not more cella escalanta. I don't know. I don't know

541
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: if this stuff is all wise or not. The big yellows,

542
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: the big these were, these were you know, dark, more

543
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: towards black brown, more con yep, more coney, more more

544
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: cell econicas, and they were they were in a I

545
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: mean old burn. But you know it's coming back. That

546
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: country burns all the time. Anyway, Um, it was like, oh,

547
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: that's cool. And and there's a pretty good pile of them.

548
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: And you know those are leafy tops have that kind

549
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: of annoying pocket on the inside of them, are leafy

550
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: you know, three D tops, the first light one. But

551
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, an annoying pocket there. Yeah, it's kind

552
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: of hidden in there. But it's a big mash pocket

553
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,479
Speaker 1: turns on. I mean that's pretty and it's real soft.

554
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: Pretty ideal for packing mushrooms was built into that. Yeah,

555
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: and the mushroom pocket and then uh and they're like, oh,

556
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: you must be a turkey hunter. Um. And then the

557
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: next day complete like you know that clay soil out

558
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: in eastern Montana. This is on a an old two

559
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: track that hadn't even been driven on, and all the

560
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: little like mole mounds coming up. There was some like

561
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: bright yellow kind of golden morales, two of them growing

562
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: out of that. Yes. I was just okay, sure, you know,

563
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: I spent ten minutes looking around and not a mushroom

564
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: around there. Yeah. But so anyway, um, just enough to eat. Um.

565
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: So I that chunky albeit that you gave me a

566
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: long time ago. Yeah. Yeah, last summer, Um, I cooked

567
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: up the Morrel's and threw them on top of that

568
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: helbitt and it was real tasty. And then all the

569
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: little trimmings, including all the you know, the gills on

570
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: the outside that kind of fell off. I just, you know,

571
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: I couldn't just throw those in the compost bucket. I

572
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: just evenly distributed them amongst all the plants that I

573
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: have in the in the in the house. Because you're

574
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: trying to spread the love out, or because you're like,

575
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe someday I'll come home. There will be

576
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: a morals If it gives me a one percent chance, yeah,

577
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: tell me how it would make it less likely that

578
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: the more grew out of that flower pot. Yeah, yeah,

579
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: I don't care what time of day it is. I

580
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: will be calling you and be like, holy you gotta

581
00:33:55,320 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: get over here. The ice fishing things, I've had my

582
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: list of stuff, but what I ever got around you?

583
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: But I just want to hit on him real quick.

584
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: This guy's talking about His name is Stu Beard, Like

585
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: he's talking about fishing. One time and big wind Gus

586
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: came along and flipped his ice shack off of him. Okay, well,

587
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: another guy rolled in about his wife. They get that

588
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: they're moving spots, and they pull all the gear out

589
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: and he unstakes the shanty and she decides to pee

590
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: in the whole real quick before they pull the shandy

591
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: down within the wind. He pulled the stakes out, so

592
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: then she's in the middle of pe and the wind

593
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: blows the shanty off. This guy is saying that the

594
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: wind blows the shanty off, the shandy like grabs his rod.

595
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: His rod pulls up it's hood the rods like in

596
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 1: the shandy. The shanty is blowing off across the lake,

597
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: but his hook on his tear drop comes out of

598
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: the hole, hooks the meat of his hand and he's

599
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: like then attached to the shanty and rod blowing away

600
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: across the lake. He said that hurt was ask him

601
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: at quick fish feeling a little helpless. Maybe Another guy

602
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: says this one. I don't know, man, I want to

603
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: believe it. He says, he's fishing a hundred feet of

604
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: water from whitefish, pulls up a rod in real combo

605
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: and gets it all the way up and there's a

606
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: dead lake whitefish still on the end of the line.

607
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know why not. Yeah, I mean,

608
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: stranger things have happened. And you know how augers are

609
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: collapsible where you put the shaft into the body and

610
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: there's like a little turnkey to tighten it. This guy

611
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: says he didn't do that little turnkey. And um, he

612
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: says that ugu was good for one hole. He says

613
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: a minute it punched through and to get that back

614
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: out there be like threading a needle out just right.

615
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: That's all. Uh. They're the on the top about this

616
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: guy wrote in for some advice. This is interesting. So

617
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: he's speaking of civil speaking of Joe carrying through at

618
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: his wedding. Unif it's against law. Um, so Ohio? Okay,

619
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: So he's in Ohio. No, he's not in Ohio. He's

620
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: in another state, but he has a hunting property in Ohio.

621
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: The state then says that they are not permitting the

622
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: sale of nonresident fishing or hunting licenses. So here he is,

623
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: he's got a hunting he's in Indiana. I think he's

624
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: got a hunting He signed this letter a disgruntled hunter. Uh,

625
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: he's in Indiana, has a hunting property in Ohio. Ohio

626
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: then turns around and says no nonresident hunting. He feels

627
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: that this is very very unfair because he's paying taxes

628
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: on that land. And he says he's been calling the

629
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: Ohio d on R and everyone else who will listen

630
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: to tell them just how I rate he is. How

631
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: can someone tell him or he can and can't do

632
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: on his own land. He even says, I don't have

633
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: the vocabulary to articulate how mad I am. What are

634
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: your thoughts my out the line? Yeah, like I would

635
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: say so, because who cares if you own the land?

636
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: What about dudes that don't own land, but they were

637
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: gonna go hunt on their uncle's farm, or they were

638
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: gonna hunt on some public land, or they were gonna

639
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: like is it really that if you is it like

640
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: the like the if you own land, you're more special.

641
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: But if he's staying there and he's been there for

642
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: a certain amount of time, I can see why I'd

643
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: be mad because he didn't say that. No, I'm just

644
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: going off of a reference, anecdotal evidence, because my grandparents

645
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: had the same thing happened in Montana. Really, he wants

646
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: to build a governor for his tax He wants to

647
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: send an invite to the governor to get his taxes back. Okay,

648
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: go on, Joe, were saying, do you think it's special

649
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: if you own the land. I don't think it's necessarily special.

650
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: But like, if you're staying in the state, like especially

651
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: when the lockdown happened, and then they cancel hunting seasons

652
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: for non residents. But say you own this piece of property,

653
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: you're staying on that piece of property over this certain

654
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: amount of time and they still won't let you hunt

655
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: your piece of property. I could see that being frustrating.

656
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: We'll see you rent it. I can still see that

657
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: being frustrated. I just don't see. I want to be

658
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: clear about this. I don't see um. I don't see

659
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: that the state has an obligation to factor in whether

660
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: or not you own it, versus that your uncle owns it,

661
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: that you lease it, that you have a friend who

662
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: lets you blank. Like, I don't know that the state

663
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:20,479
Speaker 1: needs to goal no no, no, But if your name

664
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: is on the title, now I totally get that, and

665
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: I like, you just see why he's upset. You know,

666
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: my grandma was pissed. But this very thing, this very

667
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: thing happened to Brody. Okay it this very thing happened

668
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: to Brody. But I don't think Brody went off sending

669
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: people invoices for his taxes. I think that's taking in

670
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: a step too far. He didn't take it. He didn't

671
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: take it personally. He just took it to be like

672
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: that sucks, yeah for sure, But it wasn't like this

673
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: is another way the man sticks it to me. And

674
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: I feel and I feel um on the spectrum of

675
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: responses to COVID nineteen, I feel that the handling of

676
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: the hunting fishing end of things has been botched by

677
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: some states. Hard to see otherwise. I feel that some

678
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: states have done a real piss poor job. I mean,

679
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 1: what a crappy situation to be in trying to figure

680
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: all that stuff out. But my god, I think it's people.

681
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: I picture people sitting in the room and they get

682
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: presented with like, yeah, well what about yeah, but what

683
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: about And they do that for a couple of minutes

684
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: and then they're like all right, no one fishes, yeah exactly,

685
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: and they storm out, you know, I mean, because you're like, wow,

686
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, let's say, right, maybe you

687
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to fish in real crowded places. But

688
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: if it's that, it's like they they probably had that

689
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: conversation like what about the people that own property here,

690
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: they all you had that conversation with, And so I

691
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: got frustrated and stormed out and just said, hell, it's

692
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: like with your kids. You go from that you can

693
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: watch TV for like a half hour to like, never mind,

694
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: no one's watching television. You throw the remote in a drawer.

695
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: You're like, everybody, getto the rooms. Yeah, like a lot

696
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: of that happened. Yeah, the you know, it's it's on

697
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: the passion subjects, right, because that a lot of people

698
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: right into me on the well I can't now I

699
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: can't hunt public land. What the hell good is it

700
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: to me? I'm gonna vote that we sell all this

701
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: and then we can do that, And I'm like, um,

702
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: that'll fix That'll fix myself. You know, you can't go

703
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: into bars and restaurants right now, even should we burn

704
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: them all down, what do you want to do with those?

705
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, that was a good analogy when you

706
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: brought this up. It's like, yeah, are you proposing that

707
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: they closed permanently bars because you can't go there tonight?

708
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: Damn it? I never want to go there. What good

709
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: is it to me? Now? Or in Spencer's case, would

710
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: be like all these bars better to be free when

711
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: they opened treat me to tonight, just like who wants

712
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: to who wants to tackle the alarming new rabbit disease?

713
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: I can live with I can live with the COVID nineteen,

714
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: but I cannot live with the rabbit. The rabbit hemorrhagic

715
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: disease to me is alarming. Oh man, But they need

716
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: to quarantine rabbits. So it's so similar too, And I

717
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: think that's why this, this person who wrote in it

718
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: so alarm. So you know, it's a relatively new disease

719
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: on the scene that ripped through Europe. Um, which I

720
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: had intended to do a lot more research on this

721
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: because I wanted to do some right and now you

722
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: want I sent it to you a few minutes ago,

723
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: or you've already been looking at this. I think I

724
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: got it earlier in the week. Um. But I think

725
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 1: there's a lot more cultivation of rabbits in Europe, domestic

726
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: rabbits in Europe. It's like more common to yeah, I

727
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: have rabbit hunt, you have it like for producing food

728
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 1: and whatnot? Yes, yeah, meet your rabbits. Um. Also they

729
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: were getting hit. Yes, I wasn't even thinking about it

730
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: from a like a egg perspective. Yeah, I was just

731
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: thinking about it as a rabbit hunter, and you gotta

732
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: you gotta think from the egg perspective. Its it's totally catastrophic.

733
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: Oh that's not there occurred to me. Man. Yeah, people

734
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 1: that raise rabbits, they've gotta be sweating. Yeah. Um. So

735
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: this new variant is r h d V two. I'm

736
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: assuming that's for version two or variant too. Um. But

737
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: it is now here in the in in North America,

738
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: it's in to Mexican state. It's Texas, Arizona, New Mexico,

739
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: and most recently in southern color At a while apparently

740
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: not a health concern for humans. Reports Uh, this gentleman

741
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: has received are estimating deaths in the thousands to tens

742
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: of thousands of animals. Um. And Uh. The basically they

743
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: want they want some citizens science help on this. And

744
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: so if you're out anywhere and you see what appears

745
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: to be an outwardly healthy looking rabbit dead, um, but

746
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: maybe has a little bit of blood coming out of

747
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: its eyes or nose or probably any more of us.

748
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: So there's some places that you can call into. But

749
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: basically if you just call into your state wildlife, they're

750
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: they're aware of this disease that's on the scene. And

751
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 1: interestingly enough, timing is everything. That was talking with Hansi

752
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: here in the office, one of our editors and on

753
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: on the lack of white meat in the wild game diet.

754
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: If you're a resident of the state of Montana, they're

755
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: just down and because of this one thing, you can

756
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: sources cotton tail rabbits and man All through high school,

757
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: early parts of college, for me, cotton tales were on

758
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: just an epic population boom in this state, and I

759
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: would just stack up cotton tales before I'd leave Eastern

760
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: Montana for the year, and that was they're excellent eating um.

761
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: But now, ah, I'm all gung ho to go source

762
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of rabbits and then, uh, what did I

763
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: call our HDV two comes on the scene. Well, this

764
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: is what I've been thinking about about this because my

765
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: brother is an avid rabbit hunter as well, and uh,

766
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 1: I love to hunt rabbits and he lives in great

767
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: cotton tail country, and he was saying that like the

768
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: last you know, they're they're they're cyclical, not as predictably

769
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: as snowshoe hairs, which run on like a seven year cycle.

770
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: Uh hold that do you know the cycle of snowshoe hair.

771
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: Some people attributed even to sun flares and different explanations,

772
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: but but snow shares has this really predictable up down cycle,

773
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: and these historians once um went and looked at the

774
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: relationship between lynks and snowshoe hairs because, uh, links feel

775
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: the effects of a collapsed resource very quickly. We did

776
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 1: a podcast episode the other day with a python expert

777
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: and the Burmese pythons in Florida, and he was pointing

778
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: out that like a Burmese python can go so long

779
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: without eating, like months and months atout eating, that when

780
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: their pray species collapses, like when they themselves out of

781
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: house and home, you don't immediately be like, oh and

782
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: then they'll all die because there's nothing to eat. He goes,

783
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: they can just go into this sort of state of

784
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: just like languished suspension and not just fall over dead.

785
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: But links, when rabbit numbers go down, like links feel

786
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: it like very quickly, and I think that their ability

787
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: to to bring to weeen young drops off, and you'll

788
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: have links that like just are not there's zero recruitment,

789
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: like they're not able to take care of babies, they're

790
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: not able to effectively have babies. So in snowshyr hair

791
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: numbers collapse, links numbers collapse. These historians went into the

792
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: Hudson Bay Company records and they Huston Bay Company, they

793
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: kept pretty amazing records, and they were able to show

794
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: that there was a seven year cycle of lynx hides, yeah,

795
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: and tie it to the known seven year cycle of

796
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: snowshyr hair populations. But like my brother was the Avada

797
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: rabbit hunter was saying, we haven't had a great cotton

798
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: tail years since two thousand eight in his neck of

799
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: the Wood's been a long long time. And I got thinking,

800
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: like about this disease. I've been lamenting the sort of

801
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 1: general lack of cotton tails within hundreds of miles a year. Um,

802
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: they're not gone, but they're not like you like walking

803
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: through and they're just like sometimes it's kind of you

804
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: feel like something's wrong. There's so many of them. But

805
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: then I was like, maybe it's good because if if

806
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: they're maybe it would make the disease not spread. Well

807
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: oh yeah, like if there's a ton of them, you'd

808
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: be like, well, there's so much interconnected. But maybe if

809
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: this thing rolls through, and I don't know. I don't

810
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: know if it's I don't know anything about it. I

811
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: don't know if it stays, if it just passes through,

812
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: if it's a permanent fixture, I don't know. Let's just

813
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: say it's the thing that passes through. It have a

814
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: pretty shitty time passing through right now this neck of

815
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: the woods. Yeah. Yeah, it can can carry it out

816
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: from population up to find anybody. But the states you're

817
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: talking about, they also have to have like a very

818
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: dispersed cotton tail population. I think about some of the

819
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: arid places in Nebraska in South Dakota that I've gone,

820
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 1: Like in southwestern South Dakota, you could go like dozens

821
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: of miles without seeing contail, and then if some rancher

822
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: has a green backyard, they'll be like five cotton tails

823
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: in this little area. And uh, I imagine that's like

824
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: a lot of what New Mexico. In Arizona and southern

825
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 1: Coline they're still going as well. Oh yeah, there's gotta

826
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: be big holes in the habitat. It's not like we

827
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: used to hunt rabbits in southern Illinois and it was

828
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: just like a continuous it was like all rabbit country yeah,

829
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 1: if there was distribution map for cotton tales in Illinois.

830
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: Just being yeah, ma'am the in those heyday years, UM,

831
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: I would not pastor a rabbit at all until literally

832
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: the day I was leaving camp from either just hanging

833
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: out and hunting there guiding. There's a stock tank right

834
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: next to a big hayyard, and I drive up out

835
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: of camp. If all my stuff loaded up, park at

836
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 1: the hay yard, pulled the twenty two from behind the seat,

837
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: walk around the hayyard, get a lot of rabbits, pile

838
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: them up next to the stock tank, ski and everybody.

839
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: Give everybody a good rant, pitch bitch mall in the

840
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: back of the truck. And that was just like the

841
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: last It was just like a very tidy, efficient grocery

842
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: run before I headed back to school. And then you

843
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: go home, make rabbit tempera or whatever it is you're doing. Yeah,

844
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: I just have a lot of good white meat that

845
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: everybody thought was chicken. Final thought on rabbits, we some

846
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: of the biggest rabbit Um, some of the biggest rabbit

847
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:38,439
Speaker 1: killings I was ever engaged in were where ranchers had

848
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: gone in and poisoned off prairie dog colonies, and then

849
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 1: those prairie dog colonies would get colonized by cotton tail rabbits.

850
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: And you just look out with your branoculars across the

851
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: prairie dog town and every little those little hump holes

852
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: to be like a pair of ears sitting there, man,

853
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: and just so many that they're like trying to find

854
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 1: any place to get protection. They would just sit down

855
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 1: in the they would kind of lowered themselves down to

856
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: the prairie dog colonies were one time, I mean, my

857
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 1: two brothers got thirty five of them out the prairie

858
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: dog holes. My one brother, Danny, he went late after

859
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: a while, he went and laid down the back of

860
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: the truck. He'd had enough, had had enough. Uh, moving on, Spencer,

861
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 1: I was putting the heat to you a little bit earlier. Um,

862
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about a handful things Spencer has been

863
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: working on. But explain it again, Like, what's your problem

864
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: with turkeys. I don't have a problem with turkeys. I

865
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: just as far as like hunting my favorite thing in

866
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: the world, and then like turkeys and just kind of

867
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: like lukewarm with him, like I could take it or

868
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: leave it some years. Um, but I don't know. It's

869
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: it's not a Midwestern white tail, well not just white

870
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: tails like I would I would pick l coning overhead.

871
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: I would pick white tails and pick me with your

872
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: animal or whatever. Rock picking. Rock picking, that's that's been

873
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 1: part of it this spring. That's that's been a new interest.

874
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, why why the rock picking? No first?

875
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: Like so turkeys is because because they're cool looking to

876
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: gobble they walk around on the woods. Like, what do

877
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: you like about them? Likes I that that could be

878
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: crazy noise. Don't make your crazy noise. Yeah, that's that's

879
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: all cool. I dig all that stuff, especially the meat.

880
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 1: I wish it was like ten times more of it though,

881
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: like a deer's were of the turkey broas, then I'd

882
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: be real motivated, real motivated. I got like forty pounds

883
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: of turkey breasts, right, I could dig that. It's okay, Spancer,

884
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. I'm I'm about lukewarm with turkeys.

885
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: So you guys are wrong. My wife, there A Knight

886
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: told me just last night. She told me that I

887
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: didn't know you and I heard you talking. I was

888
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: talking to my neighbor about turkeys, and she said, I

889
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: didn't know you, and I heard you talking to him

890
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: the way you're talking to him right now, I would

891
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 1: think that you would just kinda have a weird, creepy

892
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: dude who's got a thing about turkeys. But I know you,

893
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: and it's She's like, but I know you, and it's cute.

894
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: It's like, and that's true. So I dig turkeys. They

895
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: just like the COVID thing. And you know, I had

896
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: multiple tags in South Dakota that I just never even

897
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: went back and hunted with because you couldn't right right,

898
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: And so like I was just like, well, you know,

899
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: this is maybe a good excuse to uh not hunt

900
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 1: very much in the spring and pick up rock picking.

901
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: Pick up rock picking. That's been a new found hobby. Yeah,

902
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: but think about your new rock picking thing. And we

903
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: haven't talked a whole lot about it. Is that I

904
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 1: feel as though I'm always suspicious of people who start

905
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: new things, and I feel as though you kind of

906
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 1: like sort of like very deliberately went out and started

907
00:53:54,400 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: rock picking. Well, I've always been like interested in sorry,

908
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: rock hounding. Yeah, that's that's that's a cool thing. Uh, Like,

909
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: any of you guys here, like if you're out hunting

910
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: and you come across something cool on the ground, You're like, oh,

911
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: this is I'm gonna take this with me. I like this. Yeah.

912
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: So like I've always had that amount of interest. Uh,

913
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 1: and then Corona happened. Um and it's just like I'm

914
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: traveling less and things like that, and and sort of

915
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: the genesis of it is that, um, my wife who's

916
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: not really interested in in turkey hunting or fishing or

917
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: things like that, Like we wanted a way to like

918
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: do some more things outside and this is something that

919
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: she was interested in as well. So it was like

920
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: a good lane for the both of us to go

921
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: out and do something that she would like equally enjoy

922
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: those yellow one eggets. So I brought three things because

923
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: you said we were gonna be talking about new things

924
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: that we learned over over Corona. So I've got one

925
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: thing here. It's a piece of petrified wood. It's kind

926
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: of standard for the Yellowstone and then yeah, and then

927
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: I've got Montana egg get here, which is unique to

928
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 1: the Yellowstone River. And then my piece of wood looks

929
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: almost the piece of petrified wood looks almost milled. Is

930
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: that crazy? My my wife had it multiple times where

931
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: like she thought it was just a standard piece of

932
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: wood on the ground and pick it up and like, oh,

933
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: this is petrified wood. That's how like distinct of it.

934
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 1: And that's your yellowstone egg. That's he that's a Yellowstone

935
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: egg it or Montana egg it's Are you gonna cut it?

936
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: I don't think we will because we haven't found enough.

937
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: You have a umb yet, I have one running as

938
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: we speak. Yeah, and then and then the prize thing?

939
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: Can we can we slow up from him? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah. Uh.

940
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: I used to hang out. I used to socialize with

941
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: a guy named Ready the Rockman, and he was an

942
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: egget collector. He was a commercial egget picker out in

943
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: Miles City. This guy had five gallon buckets full of

944
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: mammoth molars and had some bisonantick with skulls. Anyhow, he

945
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: would get them and cut them to find if it

946
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: was like gem quality or whatever. And I bought a

947
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: pair of beautiful egg ear rings for my wife and

948
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: she still wears them. Do you have interest in like

949
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: cutting this open and seeing if it's like an earring inside? Not?

950
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 1: Not to that level. Like I said, We've only found

951
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: probably about a half dozen eggs right now, So I'd

952
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: like to keep them whole for what we have. Well,

953
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: I think that you're if this is your definition of

954
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: an egg, I think you're overlooking a lot of shitty egg.

955
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: It's this is a beautiful certainly on on a scale

956
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 1: of one to ten. Like my knowledge of rock hounting

957
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: is like a three. Well, there's a lot of aggets

958
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: that are lame. I mean this is like, this is

959
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: like a a gorgeous egg. Yeah. Well, and it's even

960
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,439
Speaker 1: prettier if you were in like natural light and held

961
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: it up to the cell and it just glows. And

962
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: that's that's how some of the guts are. Never I've

963
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: never found one like like that. I'd be very eager

964
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: to cut that open. What you need, like the prime

965
00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: right is like having a core in here that isn't fractured.

966
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: M That's what Ray the Rockman was after. Is it

967
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: whether or not it's cracked inside? Yeah, you better tell

968
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 1: folks how it gets formed. Still again, I just said

969
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: I have three out of ten knowledge on this. But

970
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: my understanding is that like the Yellowstone volcano, when that

971
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: has gone off, I think during the Pleisto seen era

972
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: um that left ash and lava spread out all over

973
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: the Rocky Mountain region, and then when it rained, that

974
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: rain combined with the volcanic ash and lava is what

975
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: created these agats. That's not my understanding. I'm I could

976
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: be wrong. I could be wrong. Go I'm not telling

977
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: this is what it is. I'm sure we're here about it. Joe,

978
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: can you watch for the correct answer when it comes

979
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: in Vieah, Definitely, we'll get it. What I've heard from

980
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: Rady the Rockman baker, is that the lava flows would

981
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: engulf chunks of wood. Mm hmm. That wood would burn

982
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: inside the lava and it would create cavities. Over time,

983
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: rain water would percolate down through the lava, collecting these cavities,

984
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: dry up and leave the precipitates in the cavity, and

985
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: eventually the cavity would be full of the precipitates that

986
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: came through that rain water. The lava would erode away

987
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: because it's soft, and would liberate these hunks of what

988
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: he would call agatized wood. Well, so we're we're not

989
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: disagreeing on what we said. I feel this is a

990
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: pretty strong disagreement. You just went into more detail. It's

991
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: like a combination of volcanic materials lava and ash and

992
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: then water. And it's funny you talked about the tree

993
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: thing because as you did say, ash, yeah, this is

994
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: like so we're not totally in the fight. The most

995
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: prized thing that we found this is a piece of

996
00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: egotized petrified wood. Yeah. Yeah, you can't see it well

997
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: in here because this isn't like the best late place.

998
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: But you go outside and you hold that up to

999
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: the sung. It's kind of overcast today and you'll see

1000
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: like the orange glow in there. So I have a

1001
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: piece of petrified wood, I have an egg it, and

1002
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: then I have a piece of aggatized petrified wood. Man,

1003
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: this is all just from one spring of being a rockhound.

1004
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's probably from about eight times we've got out.

1005
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: We probably have pieces of wood, a half dozen pieces

1006
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: of egg it's or the like I think the technical

1007
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: term if they don't have banding and egg it is

1008
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: just kelcetton. So you and Mrs new Heart just head

1009
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: out and the she didn't take my last name, same

1010
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: thing is I ran into that problem just kills me

1011
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: when her mom when uh, when my wife's mother sends

1012
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: her it burns my wife's mother worse than me. When

1013
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: My wife's mother sends my wife a package or an envelope.

1014
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: She messes with her because she'll put down Kate, She'll

1015
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: put on Katie Ronella, even though it's not her names.

1016
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: My wife's mother likes to admonish her for not taking

1017
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: my name. Uh. I was traveling with Steve and his

1018
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: wife and uh we were traveling tight confines and his

1019
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: wife was making a dinner reservation, and I noticed that

1020
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: she then chose to take Steve's last name after the

1021
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: phone call. She sheeps sheepishly turned to me and said,

1022
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed, but that's the only time I take my

1023
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: husband's last name in the hopes of getting a dinner reservation.

1024
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: Uh oh, so you guys, go off you and not

1025
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: Mrs Newhart. Um, go off as a little a little

1026
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: cute little couple and go rockhound. Yeah, yeah, I love it.

1027
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,439
Speaker 1: We Uh I threw on my stone glacier. We look

1028
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: up like public access spots on the yellow Stone with

1029
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: on X and then usually it's within an hour of

1030
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: Bozeman that we're finding these things. The best find that

1031
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: we've had um was two egg. It's that we picked

1032
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: up on a gravel bar where we could see the

1033
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: McDonald's at Livingston. So I assumed that like, oh, you

1034
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: gotta get a way far away from stuff because over yeah,

1035
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: that that certainly helps to like get far away. But

1036
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: we had good success, just like very local. Have you been, Um,

1037
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: I'm more of a bone picker than a than a

1038
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: rock picker. Yeah? Have you been checking eroded banks and stuff?

1039
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: Like you roll a bone picking into rock pickers? Yeah? Yeah,

1040
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: I have some bones that I've brought home. But that

1041
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: that's like another level of identification that I'm not down

1042
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: with yet. So I don't know my neighbor. Um my

1043
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: kid told me about this, and I haven't talked to

1044
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: my neighbor directly, but apparently he just found a fossilized

1045
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: tooth under five ft five ft down. He's an earth

1046
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: move equipment. I'm really eager to see that tooth. So

1047
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: and with with the picking, like why we got into it? Uh?

1048
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: I think they imagine there's counting rock counting with with

1049
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: fatherhood that I haven't like ever experience this emotion. But

1050
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: like you go hunting or fishing and you would rather

1051
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: your son or daughter catch the fish or like shoot

1052
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: the turkey, you right, like you that's that's something you experienced. Oh. Absolutely, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't. Like I've never like if I was saying

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Speaker 1: you'd rather see your wife, I'm getting there. So like

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Speaker 1: I I don't if I go hunting and fishing with buddies,

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01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: or like if I take my ten year old nephew,

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01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,439
Speaker 1: I'm still selfish enough. They're like I want to catch

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01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: the walleye, Like I want to be the one who

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01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: that's like something's wrong with your head. So and I've

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Speaker 1: I've assumed that like there's a switch that flips when

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Speaker 1: you when you become a father, that like your your

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01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: interest changes and you're like genuinely happy for that person. Yeah.

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01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: I think it's like a biological switch. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's just I think it's like sort of

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01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: while you're in that has to happen. And and this

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Speaker 1: has been a new experience with me for rock counting,

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Speaker 1: that like I would rather my wife pick up every

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01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: single cool thing we find, and like then me pick

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01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: up any Like I'd rather her find twenty s petrified,

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01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't me find zero really excited? Yeah? Because what you

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01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:23,919
Speaker 1: what you're seeing is your path through rock picking. That's

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Speaker 1: what I'm getting Because you're like if she finds it

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01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: and gets excited, then I can. Then I'll have more

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01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: opportunity to go rock picking. It will be less like

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Speaker 1: a favor. It won't be like I'm asking her to go.

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Speaker 1: And that's a lot of the whole thing with kids.

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01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: You wanted to want to go because and you can go. Yeah,

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01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: she makes requests like that. We go rock counting and stuff.

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Speaker 1: And this last time we found an egg. It over

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01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: by big timber and we were like halfway home past

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Speaker 1: Livingston stuff and she was telling me, this has been

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01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: ninety minutes since we grab that egg. And she's like,

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01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: I still have adrenaline going from what I found that egg.

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01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: So that they're so shaky she couldn't pick it up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I I really like, I really dig that. We

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01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: we took a first time hunter out and it was

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01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: really cool. It was a great, great trip um, but

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01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: it was very lean on animals and potential for and

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01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: like it was just tough that way. But we found

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Speaker 1: a lot of sheds and uh, this is like a

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01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: true first year hunter. His name was John and he

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01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 1: was like, man, I love to find a shid, love

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01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: to find a shed. And my buddy Tyler and I

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01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: through a half dozen sheds in front of this kiss

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01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: and he stepped over everyone and it was finally we

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01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: got it to happen, and he found found a shed

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01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: once it hit him, yes, but it was just like

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01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: it was so funny because we were like, oh, we're

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01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: doing a good thing here, and then he'd stepped right

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01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: over the top of the Is he gonna listen to

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Speaker 1: this and feel worse about that shed? Is the shed

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Speaker 1: that he found them that you guys planted or was

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01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: it his own? Well, he did find it. Spencer explained

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01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: the folks, what, um, explain the folks now that we've

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01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: covered your rock hunting turkeys, explain the folks the difference

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Speaker 1: between um, you're very successful franchise the fact Checker and

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01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: bar room your franchises fact Checker and barroom banters. Fact

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Speaker 1: Checker will take some commonly held belief among sportsmen and outdoorsmen,

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01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: and then sports people. Sports people investigate whether or not

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01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: it's true. We've covered this on the podcast multiple times.

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01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: Examples being like, um, we're great, we're whale stocked in

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01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: the Great Salt Lake. Um, do box really pay attention

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01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: to the moon? Yeah? All that stuff. That's the fact

1114
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: Checker series investigating Uh, these long held beliefs, things that

1115
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 1: we all know are true because we were told they

1116
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: were true. Daddy, long legs are are incredibly poisonous, but

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01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: they don't have the fangs capable of breaking skin. Things

1118
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: like that. That's a fact checker series. The barroom Banter

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01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: series is just like wisdom that you're eager to share

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01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: with your buddies from a bar stool. And so you

1121
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: may not be like book smart or something, but you

1122
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 1: can be done stupid. You could be downright stupid, but

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01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: you could seem really educated from my bar stool if

1124
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: you read this series, because you've got these all, You've

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01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: got these great nuggets of information around the outdoors. He

1126
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: keeps these all in his back pocket for the open

1127
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 1: bars at the weddings. Yeah, that's right. He bellies up,

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01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: it's out for the tip for the night, just starts

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01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: telling stories. Yep, yep, hey, by you a drink. And

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Speaker 1: and the barroom Banter is like a nod to meat

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01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: eater fans that would appreciate a deep cut because the like,

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01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: the first time I heard barroom banter was in one

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01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: of your books that. Yeah, both the small game in

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01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: the Big Game one they always had like this tidbit

1135
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: in there to be like one sentence about a cotentail

1136
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,959
Speaker 1: rabbit or about an elk that was like barroom banter.

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01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: And then it was just like this quick hitter that

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01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: did exactly this. Yeah, so we did. What are you

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01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: talking about? We have these books are guide book series,

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01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 1: which is a few few books ago, The Complete Guide

1141
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: to Hunting, Butchering and Cooking, Small Game, The Complete Guy

1142
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: to Hunting, Butchering and Cooking UM Volume one Big Game

1143
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: and then Volume two Small Game. And in these we

1144
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: have these like species profiles all about how to like

1145
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: you know, prepare it, how to find it, hunt for

1146
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: regulatory stuff, and then like the kind of weird ship

1147
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 1: you couldn't figure out where to put it, we just

1148
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: put it in the barroom banter section. Yeah, and interesting

1149
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: interesting stuff about stuff right over the tens of thousands

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01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 1: of words in those books, those are like my favorite

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01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,959
Speaker 1: sentences or just the barroom banter parts. And so that's

1152
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: that's what kind of the genesis is for the website.

1153
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: Here's a clearing house for all this off the wall

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01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: knowledge that folks like us have, and it's a good

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01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 1: place to share it with media readers. Now, I don't

1156
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: want to start negative. Um, but I want to understand

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01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:26,600
Speaker 1: you're thinking. I have now probably ten times suggested to

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01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: Spencer that you need to do a fact checker or

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01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:34,600
Speaker 1: byroom banter. I don't care of something that I know

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01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 1: to be true from growing up because people told me

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01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:38,919
Speaker 1: it was true. Is there red squirrels or pine squirrels

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01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:44,600
Speaker 1: bite the nuts off of the more desirable gray and

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01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: fox squirrel species and they just that's just the truth?

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01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: Spencer says to me, well, not enough people think that

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01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 1: it doesn't warrant It's not like a thing that people think.

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01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:02,759
Speaker 1: But repeatedly the other we were soliciting questions from our listeners.

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01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: Top of the list, why do pine squirrels bite the

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01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 1: nuts off other squirrels? So you don't need to answer

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01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: why do they do? Do they? But walk me through

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01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: why that is not a suitable fact checker? It is?

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01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: It is now I believe you. After the last time

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Speaker 1: I was on the podcast we talked about fact checkers,

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Speaker 1: which was February, I think we requested people to give

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01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 1: us prompts for fact checkers, and that was the number

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01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 1: one request that I got was what you just mentioned.

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01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: So you now think that I'm on your side. So

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Speaker 1: you haven't written the piece yet though now it just

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01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like an appropriate thing to write in in

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01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: May this fall, this fall? Do you think about to

1180
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: that level you need to. Yeah, we're not gonna talk

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01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: about like running white tails. Squirrels are alive right now.

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01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: Sure we'll we'll get to it, but the we'll answer

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01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:03,560
Speaker 1: that question. Uh, have you done any preliminary research? No? No,

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01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 1: besides like, how okay, why aren't we do how you're

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01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: going to approach it? Let's squirrel time. That's that's one

1186
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 1: of the things that is kind of daunting about something

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01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: like this. Um, so I don't know to talk to

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Speaker 1: a squirrel. That's right. Well, we know there's cannibalism in squirrels.

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01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: We know they can have a very diet. Would you

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01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:25,679
Speaker 1: like the barroom banter in the Small Game guide book

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01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:29,759
Speaker 1: about how how pine squirrels kill Leverett's snowshoe hair babies.

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01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 1: That's a good one. Yeah. I like that they did

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Speaker 1: a mortality study on snowshoe hairs, on baby snowshoe hairs,

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01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: the lead cause immortalities pine squirrels. Whoa one thing for

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Speaker 1: these fact checkers We would like to open up with

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Speaker 1: the origin, Like, where did this idea come from? That's

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01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 1: not like and that's that's my concern is that these

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Speaker 1: people writing in like the origin is Steve Ranella because

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Speaker 1: someone told me growing up right, Steve, you's got a

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Speaker 1: Wikipedia page. It doesn't. Yeah, that's that's like the most

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01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 1: difficult part of these all the time is tracking down

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01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: the origin, trying to figure out where did this start.

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01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: I will tag team this project with Joe. You're a

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01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 1: good thing. You're here, Joe. Can you please watch in

1205
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:20,679
Speaker 1: the incoming emails, Uh, things with subject lines such as, um,

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01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 1: squirrels bit and other squirrels balls. Yep. I feel like

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01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 1: that will stand out. Yeah, squirrel ball biting, stuff like that.

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01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 1: When you see those, you take note and see if

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01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 1: people can point to examples that that originate. That will

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01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: lead us right to the origin that originate somewhere, not

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01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 1: with me wondering if that's true. All right, that's covered

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Speaker 1: to our sets, so we can look forward to that.

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Speaker 1: It's it's going to be coming out. Yes, Um, tell

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Speaker 1: us a couple, uh, give us some latest, some latest

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01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 1: and greatest barbroom banters, barrow mant as of late, the

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Speaker 1: theme of the ones that I've been writing about. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of just been like northwestern South Dakota it's a

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Speaker 1: really really cool area. How did you so not just

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01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: South Dakota, but a quadrant of yes, because there's so

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Speaker 1: much cool stuff that happened there. Uh in an example,

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01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 1: and these aren't things we've written about, Like that's where

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Speaker 1: Hugh Glass got mauld. Oh that's good to know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I damn sure knew it wasn't BC, which is where

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Speaker 1: it happens in that horrible movie The Revenuet R. Right,

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Speaker 1: It's like, that's an example of why northwestern South Dakota

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Speaker 1: is really cool. Um. That is the people often when

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Speaker 1: I say, when I complain about the Revenuet, then I

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01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 1: point out that you couldn't have said it in BC,

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01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 1: and then where did it happen? And I'm like, I

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01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 1: don't know if it wasn't there, that's good. Start telling

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01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 1: north it looks way different. If you went to where

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01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 1: Hugh glassgowt mauld you could probably throw a rock and

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01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 1: hidden antelope. Like that's what kind of country it is.

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01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: I'm reading an astounding book right now, but history. It's

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Speaker 1: called Plainsman of the yellow Stone. It's a history of

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01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 1: all travel early travel through the Yellowstone Basin, and um,

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01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 1: the amount of white and yellow bears, the white and

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01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 1: yellow kind that people see rolling around out on the

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01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: Great Plains is amazing. Man. Yeah, across the plain were

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Speaker 1: many white and yellow bears for the ferocious kind, the

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01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: white and yellow ones. It's amazing. So northern and northwestern

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01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 1: Southdakota are so cool that I'm not even gonna ever

1243
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 1: cover the huge glass thing because there's just like stories

1244
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 1: that are way better than that, Even better than a

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01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 1: guy getting mauled and crawling his way to safety and

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01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 1: not taking vengeance. That's right. You should probably cover that.

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01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: So people who hate the movie like Steve and go,

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01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 1: it's not even based in BC, and then they go,

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01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, and it's not a vengeance tail. It's

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01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 1: a tale of forgiveness. That's right. If that movie didn't exist,

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01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: that would be a great barroom bnter. But now it's

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01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 1: just like, have that author on the I'd like to

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01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 1: have that author on. I should stop talking about all this.

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01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 1: It's hard to get him on. I'd like to have

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01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 1: that author and he's actually really interesting, dude. I thought

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01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: to have him on the podcast. Yeah, that'd be awesome.

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01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:13,600
Speaker 1: I've never read his book. I need to read his

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01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 1: book because he might be like, dude, I know the

1259
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: movie is horrible. I don't know. I gotta read his book. So.

1260
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 1: One of one of the things about northern northern South

1261
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 1: Dakota and northwestern South Dakota that we've recently covered is

1262
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: three Toes, the wolf who, according to legend, was the

1263
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: last gray wolf to roam the Great Plains, and he

1264
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: did most of his damage over about a decade span

1265
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: in the early nineteen tens to the mid nineteen twenties,

1266
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 1: where he caused all kinds of havoc for ranchers. He

1267
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 1: was just running rough shot. He's cheap and on things

1268
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: like the hold up before you get too deep. I'm

1269
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 1: with you. And I saw the article talk like we didn't.

1270
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 1: You will find that. Uh there's even historians who joke

1271
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:08,719
Speaker 1: about this. That one guy was talking about the legacy

1272
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: of like, oh, e frame, you know, the last Grizzlies somewhere,

1273
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 1: and he calculated it out that this bears reign of

1274
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 1: terror lasted forty five years. Yes, I think I think

1275
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 1: that was in Colorado. Uh So, like this this story,

1276
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 1: not this version, but it's been told many times over.

1277
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: There was a wolf in uh, Minnesota. I think his

1278
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 1: name was like three legs a wolf and he did

1279
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 1: the same thing, caused all kinds of damage. There was

1280
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: a grizzly in Colorado that had decades where he was

1281
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 1: just destroying stuff and reeking havoc. But you get the

1282
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 1: point I'm making. Yes, I'm not accepting this for fact.

1283
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 1: There there's like the point the point. But what I'm

1284
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 1: trying to say is just for folks at home. Uh,

1285
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 1: Grizzlies don't live forty five years, so his reign, it

1286
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 1: would be hard for his reign, his reign of terror.

1287
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 1: What was attributed to his to him in all likelihood

1288
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 1: looking back on it was that there was a but

1289
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 1: a collection of animals for a long period of time,

1290
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: and every time something bad had happened, they'd be like,

1291
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: damn it, it must be definitely. The record keeping is

1292
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 1: not very great with something like three toes. Yeah, I'm

1293
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 1: not gonna mess with but there is one solid and

1294
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 1: irrefutable fact he had three toes. No, there's a statue. Yes,

1295
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 1: there's a statue. There's a statue dedicated to three toes

1296
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 1: in Buffalo, South Dakota. Okay, I want to pull out

1297
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 1: go on with the story. I just had to get

1298
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: that in there well. And and to your point, I

1299
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,879
Speaker 1: think wolves and captivity can live up to like seventeen

1300
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 1: years and in the wild it's like a decade is

1301
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: super rare. Apparently three Toes was like fifteen or sixteen

1302
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 1: years old, long range, long long rain. Yep. So he

1303
01:16:56,320 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 1: spent a decade just running rough shot on sheep and

1304
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: cattle surplus killing. Yes, yep. He was notorious for killing,

1305
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: even on a full stomach. Um. And as the tail

1306
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 1: of three two three toes grew, so did like his

1307
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: athleticism and wits can you dress the toes the toes situation?

1308
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that's a good question, yep. Three Toes Uh.

1309
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 1: Prior to starting his destruction and his vengeance on man Uh,

1310
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 1: he escaped, He escaped a ranchers trap. Uh, and he

1311
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: just left a tee behind and then going forward if

1312
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 1: and that that that pissed him off? Yeah yeah, yeah. Oh.

1313
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: And also I didn't mention this in here, uh because

1314
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:44,719
Speaker 1: it was like it was a hard thing to find

1315
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 1: space for. But apparently the ranchers of northwestern South Dakota

1316
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: had killed three Toes his mate, and that just extra

1317
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: extra it was like a lone wolf. McQuaid when his

1318
01:17:54,120 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 1: dog diese a constant reminder of traps. Oh yeah, like

1319
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 1: every time he forgets about it and chills that he

1320
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: looks and there's his damn foot. He's like, I forgot

1321
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:14,759
Speaker 1: about that. I don't kill some sheep. And so whenever

1322
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 1: he would go and he would murder all these sheep

1323
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 1: and some dusty corral, he'd leave behind this three toed

1324
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 1: pop print, and that's how they would know, Oh you know,

1325
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 1: he's just dust awful little area, and just make a

1326
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 1: perfect little print. Yep. But he was so athletic that

1327
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 1: he would jump like twelve foot gaps to avoid dogs.

1328
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:34,719
Speaker 1: And he was so smart that he would intentionally scatter

1329
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 1: livestock so they would obliterate his trail so he could

1330
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 1: then escape. And part of the story goes because they

1331
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 1: asked him what's that? They asked him about it? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

1332
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 1: They must have like, you know, the last question for you,

1333
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:53,440
Speaker 1: why do you scatter the livestock? And he was like,

1334
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:59,679
Speaker 1: yep uh. And he was so ruthless that once, while

1335
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 1: he was being pursued, he even stopped in a corral

1336
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 1: slaughtered fifteen sheep and then just kept going, didn't even

1337
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 1: have any interest in needing them, just to like prove

1338
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 1: a point he did. That's a sociopath while he was

1339
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 1: being pursued. Not a sociopath. There's probably a good Latin

1340
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 1: word for this to be a fauna path, the sheep

1341
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 1: a path. So three toes you follow me? Yeah, good

1342
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 1: enough to do that one out. No, three Toes. Over

1343
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:30,440
Speaker 1: his thirteen year reign was credited with fifty thou dollars

1344
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 1: in livestock damage, which if you count for inflation, that's

1345
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 1: six dollars today. It's a lot of damage. Yep. Uh.

1346
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,679
Speaker 1: Local ranchers tried killing him. There was one case where

1347
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 1: the I'm gonna butcher the name Havevella boys. Maybe they

1348
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: followed three Toes for two hundred miles. No, no, they

1349
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 1: never got a shot followed him for two hundred miles.

1350
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:53,679
Speaker 1: There was someone else that followed him for a hundred

1351
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 1: forty miles but lost his tracks when he got to

1352
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: the Grand River Um which I think the Grand River's

1353
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 1: location of or huge glass got mauled. Circle ties it

1354
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 1: all together, yep. So, finally the state got sick of

1355
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: not catching three Toes, even after having a five thousand

1356
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 1: dollar bounty on him for years just didn't work. They

1357
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: called in their best wolf specialist from New Mexico, and

1358
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 1: this is where the story becomes like absolutely true. Yes,

1359
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 1: there's there's no disputing like this three week period perceptions

1360
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 1: like yeah, we're making some jokes about it, but the

1361
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 1: perception like the depredation was real, the livestock loss was real,

1362
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 1: and it was a very real perception of this being

1363
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 1: attributable to this one ravenous beast. Yep yep, So Clyde

1364
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 1: brother or I was actually two of them or not,

1365
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 1: who knows, but this was the understanding at the time

1366
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 1: or many. Yeah, that that is like some notorious bluff

1367
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 1: country up there where something could duck down. You you

1368
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 1: never know. Even though it's like we talked about were

1369
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:58,799
Speaker 1: grizzlies and analobre at um, there was likely more wolves

1370
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 1: at work here. But Clyde Briggs comes in from New Mexico.

1371
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:05,520
Speaker 1: He is the U s d A S Wolf specialist,

1372
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 1: and he has a reputation for catching things that are

1373
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 1: on catchable and he does just that. He spends three

1374
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 1: weeks there interviewing locals, talking to ranchers, kind of surveying

1375
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 1: the land. He decides on one specific ranch where three

1376
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 1: Toes had recently left a track behind. And so I

1377
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 1: knew you'd want more information on the actual trapping portion

1378
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 1: of this, but there's like so little available the story

1379
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 1: gets pretty short after this. Brigg goes out. Briggs goes

1380
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,680
Speaker 1: out and he just litters an area with traps, and

1381
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 1: he knows that this wolf is so wise and so

1382
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 1: evasive that he needs to lay traps that if it

1383
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 1: gets it one leg in and has to get another

1384
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 1: leg in as well, one one leg on this wolf

1385
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 1: isn't good enough. So uh, the only details legs, that's right,

1386
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 1: the only the only information really available is that he

1387
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 1: just litters like a pasture with the traps, and he

1388
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 1: catches the wolf on July and he gets out there.

1389
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 1: Uh and three Toes is like emancipated at this point.

1390
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 1: He's way past it from having a man's paid would

1391
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:16,959
Speaker 1: be he let it go out of the trail. No. Uh,

1392
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:20,719
Speaker 1: three Toes is now only seventy four pounds decite, despite

1393
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 1: being six ft long from just a life I haven't

1394
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 1: been on the run, yes, and not eating all the

1395
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 1: stuff you kill, and and he's and he's just passed

1396
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 1: his prime. So Briggs has a lot of pride and

1397
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 1: like he caught this wolf, but he alsto wants to

1398
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 1: spare the wolf and drive it back to Buffalo, which

1399
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 1: is the county seat. But on the car ride there,

1400
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 1: which was only about twenty minutes to get there, the

1401
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 1: wolf dies. Is this is this credited with being the

1402
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 1: inspiration for The Crossing by Cormick McCarthy. Not aware The

1403
01:22:56,160 --> 01:23:00,080
Speaker 1: Crossing Court McCarthy part of the Border trilogy. There's a

1404
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 1: wolf raisin hell with cattle in New Mexico and a

1405
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 1: kid gets tasked by his father to catch the wolf

1406
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 1: that had come up from Mexico. That is Earnest Thompson

1407
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 1: Seaton story Lobo from the book Wild Animals. I have

1408
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: known what is I believe the inspiration for Cormack McCarthy's

1409
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 1: The Crossing. No, yeah, that's it's ras for that. Anyways,

1410
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 1: kid catches the wolf, can't bring himself to kill it,

1411
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 1: decides to bring it back into Mexico. One thing leads

1412
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 1: you another. Yeah, Briggs had intentions of killing this wolf.

1413
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 1: You just want to kill it in front of people, Yes,

1414
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: just like show them this live critter. But but three

1415
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 1: toes died on the drive there instead of treading it

1416
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 1: into like the July midday heat, and probably being in

1417
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 1: this trap that had like no shade available or anything

1418
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:56,759
Speaker 1: that they don't say that's the reason. But this writer,

1419
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 1: who was a sheep rancher in area, he says, call

1420
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 1: it a broken heart or what you will, something of

1421
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 1: this sort is what killed the old wolf. He was

1422
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 1: resting easily when found. His wounds were superficial, but there

1423
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 1: was something in his grand old spirit that could not capture,

1424
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 1: and nature more merciful than than had been every before,

1425
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:21,799
Speaker 1: granted him his release. Wow. Pretty flowery language. Very flowery,

1426
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 1: is that? I mean, that's just like Western romanticism. Man.

1427
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. You know. It wasn't

1428
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,840
Speaker 1: a trap that killed him. It was getting caught, wasn't

1429
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 1: the July. It was that his reign was over. Well.

1430
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 1: So that's three toes. That is that quote from The

1431
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 1: Outlaw of Josie Wales where he says something to the

1432
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 1: end to the effect of m guys like you and me,

1433
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 1: it's not dying that's hard, it's living. I tell that

1434
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 1: to Yanny all time. How does Yanni respond? He just

1435
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:58,759
Speaker 1: kind of rolls that, all right? So you, um, that's great,

1436
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 1: you know, you have standing invitation to come tell us

1437
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:04,599
Speaker 1: about fact checkers and barbed banters, but I might revoke

1438
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 1: it until you get the squirrel nutting wrapped up. We'll

1439
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 1: put it at the top a little party. When you

1440
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,799
Speaker 1: get that thing wrapped up. You can come on anytime

1441
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 1: you want, um, but we'll have an open bar. Con

1442
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 1: we range that account have an open free bar for

1443
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 1: Spencer after he writes it would be like a bottle

1444
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 1: in the glass. We'll be laying there at your little

1445
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:25,720
Speaker 1: spot and you come in and tell us about the

1446
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:27,800
Speaker 1: squirrel nut biting. There we go, and all you gotta

1447
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 1: do is I wrap your knuckles on the table and

1448
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 1: I'll serve you. Uh close out a couple of things.

1449
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 1: So Spencer, you realize during the quarantine that you're a rockhound? Yes? Um,

1450
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 1: what the thing you've learned about yourself? Cal What did

1451
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:47,680
Speaker 1: the quarantine bring out in you? What did you learn

1452
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 1: about yourself? I have a thing that I learned about myself.

1453
01:25:51,320 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 1: Oh man, I I learned that that I need to

1454
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 1: start training myself to focus, because when I'm trapped at home,

1455
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 1: I get so many projects going. I have like full

1456
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 1: blown adult onset a d D. I already knew that

1457
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 1: about myself. Yeah. The projects are seductive, subductive, they're just

1458
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 1: you look out your window and it's like some of them. Yeah,

1459
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold off on putting the period on this

1460
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:33,759
Speaker 1: last sentence. I'm going to get this period later. Yeah

1461
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 1: that flower pot. Yeah, I gotta go bust down four

1462
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 1: turkeys and make stock and learn how to can real quick.

1463
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:47,600
Speaker 1: What did you learn? Um, I'll do mine. I was

1464
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 1: gonna have Joe and feel well. Mind, Now what I

1465
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 1: learned is this, uh in my I don't know hole.

1466
01:26:55,520 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 1: That was maybe around twenty or so I developed I've

1467
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 1: always had like a real thing about needing to be

1468
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 1: going all the time, um, doing stuff all the time.

1469
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 1: In my twenties or so, it turned into a a

1470
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 1: horrible not horrible, but a really like a really severe

1471
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 1: wander lust, to the point where I I remember one

1472
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:24,839
Speaker 1: point in time realizing that I had gone eighteen months

1473
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 1: without sleeping in the same place seven days in a row.

1474
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 1: And then when I did sleep somewhere seven days in

1475
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 1: a row, I was out of town. I just had

1476
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 1: to be out of town in the same place eight

1477
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 1: days in a row, and I developed this feeling like

1478
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:45,639
Speaker 1: a very deep uneasiness about not being on the move

1479
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 1: to where I felt like somehow if you weren't on

1480
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 1: the move, you would die or something. And I just

1481
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 1: very difficult for me. But um, I learned now that

1482
01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 1: I like it waking up same place, wake up with

1483
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: my wife at my house, make some coffee. You're like, oh,

1484
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 1: this is why we have this place. My kids are there,

1485
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And and like after doing

1486
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 1: that for a couple of weeks, and I recently had

1487
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: to go just eat like a little in state trip.

1488
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 1: After doing that for a couple of weeks, I really

1489
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 1: not was like eager to go somewhere. I was dreading

1490
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 1: going somewhere. I liked it. I liked waking up making coffee.

1491
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 1: Everybody home loved it too much. Then I started thinking

1492
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 1: I was getting soft the dude, it's nice to be

1493
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 1: at home with your family and not to be also packing. Dude.

1494
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 1: When I moved to you know, living life on the

1495
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:54,679
Speaker 1: road as a guide, um, doing all sorts of jobs.

1496
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 1: When I moved to catch them for a sit down

1497
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 1: on the desk job, Um, you know, I was like,

1498
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 1: I never hung a thing on the walls, not a picture,

1499
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 1: not anything. Never know, when you got to get out

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01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 1: of there because I was like, I'm just gonna be moving,

1501
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 1: just gonna be leaving, just gonna be moving. And then

1502
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 1: like you know, ten years later, I'm like, better, better

1503
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 1: hang this map on the wall. I think I will

1504
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 1: have a decoration. When you weren't staying anywhere for eighteen

1505
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 1: months straight, where did you have like a paycheck send

1506
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:33,599
Speaker 1: or Oh, I've always had an ad I've always used

1507
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 1: an address for a long time. During that period, I

1508
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 1: used the p O box. But I've also during those

1509
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:44,639
Speaker 1: same periods would use my brother's addresses. HM, that's my

1510
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 1: port of call. So where did you consider yourself a resident?

1511
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 1: Like did you have someplace you were like paying I

1512
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 1: was a resident? Yeah, I was a resident somewhere. But

1513
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:55,759
Speaker 1: I and I might be like it was mostly in Montana,

1514
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:59,719
Speaker 1: but it might just be that period was in Montana. Um,

1515
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:01,560
Speaker 1: and I think when I broke it it was I

1516
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 1: think it might have been. I think I might have

1517
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 1: broken earlier something my dad getting sick. I think I

1518
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 1: might have broken when I went away from my I

1519
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 1: might have broke my streak going home to be home

1520
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 1: with my family from home. Um, but yeah, just like

1521
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 1: but you know, think about it now, like on a

1522
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 1: weekend comes, I get little like it's hard for me

1523
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:21,600
Speaker 1: to picture. If I look ahead and there's like a

1524
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 1: weekend when we don't have the family. Even with the family,

1525
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 1: we don't have something on the books, I get a

1526
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 1: lot of antsy. You guys are very good at at

1527
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 1: making stuff. I have to start planning something because I

1528
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:34,719
Speaker 1: don't want to die. Joe, what you learned about yourself drinking?

1529
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:36,599
Speaker 1: You know, so here's the thing you don't die if

1530
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:41,720
Speaker 1: you just stay home. Really write that down. I learned

1531
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:44,679
Speaker 1: the exact opposite. I learned I am a very restless soul.

1532
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 1: Like you're sitting around in the house. It's been like

1533
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 1: I need to go to that mountain top, like just

1534
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:51,439
Speaker 1: looking out the window, looking at the mountains. I'm like,

1535
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,759
Speaker 1: I cannot sit here anymore. But you got that wandered

1536
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 1: lust I do. I just gotta go see something. So

1537
01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 1: I did a lot of shed hunting. Just went and

1538
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:03,800
Speaker 1: started wandering around the like for antlers. Uh, I found

1539
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 1: a few. I actually went to the breaks a couple

1540
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: of weeks and only found twenty one antlers. Those really, Yeah,

1541
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 1: you did, like an actual trip to go shed hunting? Yeah,

1542
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,680
Speaker 1: kind of and a scout first when you find them,

1543
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 1: do you like, I'm gonna put this into my big

1544
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:21,680
Speaker 1: pile of antlers? Are are you like selling? Uh? You

1545
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 1: know where those were? Like, I put this in a

1546
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 1: big bile of antlers, so you're not like you're not

1547
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 1: out there selling it for two toys? No, And then

1548
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 1: none of them were good enough to really sell. But

1549
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:34,320
Speaker 1: but then I also learned that I really enjoyed trail running.

1550
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 1: I think for that same reason of you know, kind

1551
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 1: of wander last Yeah, I just go to a different

1552
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 1: trail and just start running. You and Maggie and Joanna's

1553
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 1: got to go on a trail run. Those guys trail run, Yeah,

1554
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:45,679
Speaker 1: they run out did I did one with him last

1555
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:48,719
Speaker 1: year and ran h baldly with him and it was miserable.

1556
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 1: But now I'm actually enjoying you probably able to hold

1557
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 1: your own. No. Yeah, now I've been running a lot,

1558
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 1: Like I just picked up one day. I was like,

1559
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go for a trail run. Ran ten miles.

1560
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 1: If you do go running with Johnnie, wait till you're

1561
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 1: good and far into the trip, and then say Yanni.

1562
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 1: For guys like you and me, ain't dying. It's hard

1563
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 1: try that out on him, Phil learn anything good about yourself? Bad?

1564
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:19,880
Speaker 1: I don't care. Yeah, bad that I need a new hobby.

1565
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just exactly, I've been sitting here listening

1566
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:26,680
Speaker 1: to Spencer. I'm getting I'm getting all all jealous of

1567
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:28,720
Speaker 1: of the stuff he's doing. Yeah. No, I've just been

1568
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:30,680
Speaker 1: kind of just falling into old habits, like you know,

1569
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:32,759
Speaker 1: playing well. I mean I was at to say playing

1570
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 1: with my kids, like it's a bad thing, but I

1571
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 1: mean like going through routine, just going through routines, like

1572
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 1: after the kids go to bed, it's like I'll just

1573
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 1: play some video games or yeah, yeah, I'm still I'm

1574
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:47,720
Speaker 1: still into that. Yeah, yeah, but you're a brand new

1575
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 1: outside pooper exactly. Yeah. I wouldn't say I learned how

1576
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:54,600
Speaker 1: to do it because it went poorly and try. But no,

1577
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 1: I don't know if any of you guys at this

1578
01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:59,839
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing organization have any ideas for new hobbies.

1579
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:04,720
Speaker 1: I books, so you can borrow one. I would like

1580
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:07,080
Speaker 1: if you were out rockhound and Spencer gets to a

1581
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:10,080
Speaker 1: spot and then sees someone already there rock hounding, and

1582
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 1: then he'll be one of those guys like this place

1583
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 1: is gone to ship when I started rock picking out

1584
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:22,799
Speaker 1: there a couple good mushroom books too. Oh, Phil, that's

1585
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 1: what you ought to do, because that's the thing is

1586
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 1: right now, Like Morrel's coming on oyster mushrooms. My mom

1587
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 1: just pick that's I mean, that sounds great. Yeah, I've

1588
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:37,880
Speaker 1: been articles getting I mean it's Spencer has been. He

1589
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:39,559
Speaker 1: doesn't know this, he even talked about this, but I've

1590
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 1: been reading all of his stuff and and and I

1591
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 1: just I want to get out there. Yeah, he's getting

1592
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 1: me good, get me outside. My friend Matt who's been

1593
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 1: on this show before, not my brother Matt, my friend

1594
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:51,400
Speaker 1: Matt Um. He was, you know, he was all hold

1595
01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 1: up on his on a property. He has a little farm,

1596
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 1: quarantining out a farm. And I suggested to him, he's

1597
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 1: got a big ramp patch, big patch of ram um.

1598
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:04,559
Speaker 1: I suggested to him, if you really want to inject

1599
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:09,719
Speaker 1: a spark into the old love life, take your wife

1600
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 1: out there on the shovel. Digson. Continue, take your wife

1601
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:18,639
Speaker 1: out of the shovel, dig up some of those ramps.

1602
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:23,599
Speaker 1: Wash those ramps. Roll the green part of the ramp

1603
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:25,880
Speaker 1: around the white part of the ramp. So it's a

1604
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:29,200
Speaker 1: little package, looks like a polish rose. Brush that with

1605
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:31,920
Speaker 1: olive oil, apply salt and pepper on it, put it

1606
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:33,720
Speaker 1: on the grill and cook it and then give it

1607
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:38,720
Speaker 1: to your wife. What is the polish rose? You don't

1608
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 1: know how polesh rose? No, you can't be like it

1609
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 1: looks like this thing. When when polish rose is a

1610
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:47,000
Speaker 1: person's mom makes in the Midwest, when it's when they're

1611
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:51,120
Speaker 1: having a party. If it's the wintertime. You take a

1612
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 1: green onion. No, you can do it in summer. Do

1613
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 1: you guys know this term? Take a green onion. You

1614
01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 1: get yourself some carl budding hammer worn beef like the

1615
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 1: worst hammer corn most processed worst ham you can find,

1616
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 1: or corned beef slices. You take a green onion. You

1617
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 1: smear that meat with cream cheese so that you have

1618
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 1: it's like a picture of a piece of bread with

1619
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:18,600
Speaker 1: cream cheese smeared on it, but it's not. It's a

1620
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:20,720
Speaker 1: piece of ham with cream cheese smeared on it. And

1621
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:23,200
Speaker 1: then you wrap it around the white part of the

1622
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 1: green onion and you lay a tray of those out.

1623
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:33,160
Speaker 1: Now you're talking like that, dude, They vanish, but you

1624
01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:41,280
Speaker 1: you're giving that comparison. It is like counting exactly now

1625
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:44,600
Speaker 1: due the poles love those roses. I don't know. Is

1626
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 1: it like a joke. Is it that they can't get

1627
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:49,880
Speaker 1: nothing right? I don't know. I would rather have that

1628
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:52,320
Speaker 1: than a rose, So let's think of it. I'm thinking

1629
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:55,719
Speaker 1: it's laudatory of the poles. They've taken a thing that's stupid,

1630
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 1: like a rose, and turns it into a good thing

1631
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:01,479
Speaker 1: to eat. You're already cription of that. Was like Cal

1632
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 1: and I were doing a video about how to make

1633
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 1: chiselick and I was trying to describe the size that

1634
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 1: you want to cut the pieces of meat, and Cal

1635
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 1: interjected and he said, well, it's about the size of

1636
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:15,840
Speaker 1: a sugar cube. But I don't think there's anybody like

1637
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 1: under the age of forty that can recognize what the

1638
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:25,679
Speaker 1: size of a sugar cube is. I could recognize it. Yeah,

1639
01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:27,559
Speaker 1: I haven't seen one of those in a while. But

1640
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 1: like when I was a little kid, we're gonna wrap

1641
01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:31,240
Speaker 1: it up here, but we'll end on this thought. When

1642
01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:32,679
Speaker 1: I was a little kid, and you went to church,

1643
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:34,320
Speaker 1: and then you left church and went over to the

1644
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 1: annex for like the little social period, you would get

1645
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:40,600
Speaker 1: yourself some coffee and then you put about eighteen sugarcubes

1646
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:42,800
Speaker 1: in there, and try to break them up and then

1647
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:47,280
Speaker 1: drink that sugar. And I don't think I've laid eyes

1648
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:54,800
Speaker 1: on a sugarcube. Stands all right, Good do they bite

1649
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 1: the balls off the squirrels. We'll find out. We're gonna

1650
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 1: find out. Working progress by spencer fire. Alright, thanks everybody,