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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with our radio What's Up Everybody? We are not stopping

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Speaker 1: anytime soon. I'm Ben Ay and you're joining us on

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Speaker 1: the almost famous podcast. It's our off season, but we

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Speaker 1: don't stop. You're just gonna keep going, aren't you. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about Bachelor Nation for our whole lives.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like the best thing I could ever ever

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Speaker 1: think of. Um, But honestly, at this point in my life,

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Speaker 1: it does kind of seem what's gonna be happening, and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna keep doing it. And there actually is a

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Speaker 1: lot going on in Bachelor Nation still, even though there's

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Speaker 1: no shows airing, um, and so we thought, why not

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Speaker 1: catch our listeners up on all the kind of behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes drama. We're also going to talk about ashley

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Speaker 1: Nights upcoming trip together. Oh my god, Oh no, Ben,

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Speaker 1: you is We're just gonna make fun of a comment Danielle.

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Speaker 1: Danielle l also does not know that eyes is not

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Speaker 1: will never be a word. It'll never be a word. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: nobody would have even said anything if if my producer

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Speaker 1: did not call me out on this. It's one of

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Speaker 1: our biggest pet Peeves and something I've learned this year

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Speaker 1: and every time I'm about to say eyes, now I

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Speaker 1: say my. And if you watch Sound a Bachelor, I

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Speaker 1: guarantee you every episode someone says eyes and it makes

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Speaker 1: me die inside every time. And you know, Bennett the producer,

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Speaker 1: he said if he corrected everyone's grammar, they would never

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Speaker 1: finish the show. I don't blame you, but we can

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Speaker 1: keep having grammatical lessons on the show. But we got

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Speaker 1: a lot to talk about a right, Actually, there is

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Speaker 1: a tongue going on right now. It seems like the

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Speaker 1: most talked about character in Bastination is Danielle l um

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Speaker 1: catch the listeners up on exactly what's happening, and then

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Speaker 1: I want to read um an Instagram post that he

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Speaker 1: did just so our listeners can kind of hear and

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Speaker 1: make a decision for themselves if this is normal, if

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Speaker 1: it's crazy or whatever it is. So I actually go

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Speaker 1: ahead with this, Okay. Well, apparently Danielle l had an

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Speaker 1: interview with US Weekly magazine this this week, and she

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Speaker 1: talked about I guess like the love triangle with Christina

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Speaker 1: like she should have been as much of a sympathetic character.

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Speaker 1: Am I corrected that, Amy, That's about what I got

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Speaker 1: from it. Okay, Well, what I learned about Danielle L

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Speaker 1: this week was that she posted a really cringeworthy personally.

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Speaker 1: I found it cringeworthy. Um Instagram and Um. It's been

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Speaker 1: a topic of conversations with a lot of our listeners,

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Speaker 1: so much so that we got two emails right, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: right right in front of me that kind of question

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Speaker 1: the same things that I have. So this is how

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Speaker 1: it goes, UM, an email from Alex Please talk about

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Speaker 1: the post Danielle L put on her Instagram and what

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Speaker 1: does it even mean? The pics her and the caption

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Speaker 1: just don't go together. Is she just doing this to

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Speaker 1: make her see a man? Wait? Why are we doing

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Speaker 1: this before we read the caption? We should be reading

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Speaker 1: the caption first. Alright, alright, Ben, read the caption because

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Speaker 1: I can't read very well. But but let me describe

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Speaker 1: the picture. Guys. It's a picture from July post show,

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Speaker 1: but pre reunion show, with Danielle with a pink baseball

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Speaker 1: cap on Dean's lap, kissing him. Yeah, UM, so here's

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Speaker 1: the deal. We want all of you to kind of

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Speaker 1: to judge for yourself. You don't have to judge. I

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Speaker 1: I guess none of us quite understand exactly what's going on. Um.

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Speaker 1: The first sentence in the caption I'm gonna pear a

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Speaker 1: phrase says I've always been criticized and from my looks

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Speaker 1: and and Daniel, I don't know if you listen to

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Speaker 1: they are the ones and the wrong. You are absolutely beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Uh no, no, no, no, Ben, this is a gross

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Speaker 1: This is the part of the caption that I have

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Speaker 1: my feelings about it. She said, I've always been criticized

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Speaker 1: only surface level when our connection was much deeper. She's

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Speaker 1: that's ridiculous because um every girl on this show is beautiful. Sure,

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Speaker 1: so I do know behind the scenes that she's got

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Speaker 1: just thought Danielle l was hot. Okay, that I can understand.

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Speaker 1: Then I would rather her say Dean and I simply

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Speaker 1: the picture and she had said, I wish you guys

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Speaker 1: got to see the deep, meaningful connection that Dean and

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Speaker 1: explain anything. Because everybody on this show it's pretty. And

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be hateful, because I'm sure she

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Speaker 1: I'm sure she does genuinely feel that. But there are

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Speaker 1: like if if somebody said life is so hard for

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Speaker 1: me because I'm a billionaire, it's the same thing. It's like, Oh, seriously,

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Speaker 1: or wrong? Ben, you comment on this, but people don't

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Speaker 1: But we do have to give her credit for trying

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Speaker 1: obviously is feeling an insecurity that maybe I've never dealt with.

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Speaker 1: I'm not pretty enough to really have to complain about.

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Speaker 1: I I fight every day, um to get people to

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Speaker 1: take me. You know, when I have to post for photos.

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Speaker 1: Danielle UM. But I do, but I do, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I do think she has UM. I'm reading this through

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Speaker 1: She has a comment it says, just because they never

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Speaker 1: I look cold, I look distant, I look too good

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Speaker 1: So I can't judge her for that. I just don't

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Speaker 1: takes me seriously because I'm too good looking. That is

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to be mean. I'm trying really

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Speaker 1: hard not to be mean. Amy. This is this is

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Speaker 1: and that she follows it up with an interview with

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Speaker 1: the one thing Amy, I think you do you might

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Speaker 1: Fuller had sent me a text that said, in a

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Speaker 1: he said I don't want you going back to New

429
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 1: York and dating anybody else, that we were in a relationship. Um,

430
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 1: And then that the whole thing happened, Um where we

431
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:14,360
Speaker 1: went conversation. So we have had a private conversation off

432
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: camera when in the fantasy suite following that conversation, we

433
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 1: want to know everything that happened in the fantasy suite,

434
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 1: I mean, wa, January, if you are we want to

435
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: know everything that like the conversations that happened in the

436
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 1: fantasy speak also, well, yeah, but if we are going

437
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: to get a little was it was actually only conversations

438
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 1: that like that perfect all right, that's what we need

439
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 1: to know. UM. So yeah, so the camera's left, and

440
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: this is what I discussed with Chris is that when

441
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: the cameras left the room and we were actually legitimately

442
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 1: alone for the first time, um, for our entirety, the

443
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: entirety of our time in Mexico. UM, I just didn't

444
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: feel comfortable with how that conversation went down. Something in

445
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: my gut just didn't seem like that some that's that

446
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 1: is what Daniel wanted to say, or that that's actually

447
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: how he felt. It just didn't feel right. It was

448
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 1: like a women's intuition thing. Um. Lying that he was

449
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: lying about the conversation that happened on camera. Not necessarily

450
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: that he was lying, but maybe he just said some

451
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 1: things he didn't mean. Maybe he got caught up in

452
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: the moment. It's it's really easy too to get caught

453
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 1: up with the camera being in your face. And I

454
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 1: do understand that. I want to give him a little

455
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: bit of credit. Um, But at the same time, it's like,

456
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: those are some pretty some pretty big things to say.

457
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 1: If you don't mean them, you know that you're falling

458
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: for someone. So UM, I brought it up. You know,

459
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: he and I, throughout our our whole relationship and even

460
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 1: our friendship before Paradise, have really really good communication. Usually, Um,

461
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: we talked about everything. We don't We never keept secrets

462
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 1: from each other or anything, so I didn't have any

463
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: problem talking to about it. So I brought it up, um,

464
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: and not necessarily in these words, But what what we

465
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: ended up talking about was that he didn't he did

466
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: not that it wasn't just me, like, he did not

467
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: mean that in that way. And he brought it up

468
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: because we were on camera, So he admitted that conversation

469
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: had gone down for the first time off camera would

470
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 1: be completely different, he said, I exaggerated on camera for

471
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: the sake of camera pretty much pretty much. Yeah, and

472
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 1: I want to know more about the history. You met

473
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: him in January, You made out with him in January.

474
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: So I actually met him in October New York. Yeah,

475
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: in New York at Vinnie's birthday party. There was a

476
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: big group of bats where people there um and we um,

477
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 1: So we met for the first time there and um,

478
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 1: we like made out at the bar um and then

479
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: I went back to his hotel room with him, where

480
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 1: literally nothing else happened. All we did was just hang

481
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: out and kids a little bit. I realized used the

482
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: word on camera hooked up, and that means something different

483
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,479
Speaker 1: to everybody. Um. We could have an entire podcast one

484
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: day about the meaning of hook up and what it

485
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: means individually. So I realized I probably should have used

486
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: a different word. To be completely clear, Daniel and I

487
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: did not have sex that night, because that's another rumor

488
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: that's swirling around, because I did use the word hook up, um,

489
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: and that was pretty much it. You know. He went

490
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: back up north. I stayed in New York, but we

491
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: did keep in touch um sporadically until that January. In January,

492
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: we started keeping in touch a lot um every single day,

493
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 1: every hour. Turned it around, UM, spread it up to

494
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: be honest, and this is gonna sound so so so

495
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,959
Speaker 1: so strange and ridiculous, but um, Daniel doesn't have an

496
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: iPhone and so he doesn't text UM, and he like,

497
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 1: we became Facebook friends. So we just started Facebook drink

498
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: all the time. Because that's why Facebook official is something

499
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: like as bizarre as that sounds, it's like, you know,

500
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't sign message. It's technically international texting. But we

501
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: became Facebook friends, and that kind of just help in

502
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: a way. I know anyone's listening to this, it's probably like,

503
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: what the hell, no, no, no, no, no, I guet

504
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: how her communication could be faster with him via Facebook.

505
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: But all right, so are you just like you saw

506
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: him on launch over and you did not see him

507
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: in real life until you started filming Paradise in June? Correct? Yeah,

508
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: we had been talking every single day up until then,

509
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: from like January up until filming and video chatting and

510
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: all that stuff, but we physically had not been in

511
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: the same place since October. I'm just more stressed out.

512
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: The idea that you were messaging each other every hour

513
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: on the hour for a few months, that gives me

514
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: to hive that well. But now do you understand why

515
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: I'm so disturbed by what's going on a little bit? Yeah,

516
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: I mean I do, but it's not a great I

517
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: guess I'm just not a great text here, and so

518
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: the idea of being on my phone that often just

519
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: does stress me out. I have some things before actually

520
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: continues on with the questions because she just crushes these questions.

521
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: She gets the hardest core, the core of the story.

522
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: I do want to clear up a few things, okay. Um.

523
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: One is, you started out this conversation say it's not

524
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: possible to fall in love and the amount of time

525
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: you're in paradise, do you really believe that's true? Um? Well,

526
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: for us, um to Daniel's point to two of us

527
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: were only there together for five days, So I think

528
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: the five days part is unrealistic. But I think they're

529
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: people who were there together the entire time. It could

530
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: totally happen, right, Okay, so just too short of a time. Uh,

531
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: five days wasn't long enough. Love at first sight doesn't

532
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: exist in your eyes, especially in Paradise. I think lust

533
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: at first sight exists first. Sorry, perfect. Um. My next

534
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: question is to clear up here, and this is mostly

535
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: based on I'm kind of doing this on behalf of

536
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: a lot of the Bachelor contestants out there, because it's

537
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: been a question that I've had that a lot of

538
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: us have had that we can't figure out. Um. For

539
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: for the listeners out there, Vinny does this thing right now,

540
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: I don't get it, Like he has a videographer around

541
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: with him all the time. I don't know why. I

542
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: don't know what he's doing with it, but he seemed

543
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: a video there's like out on YouTube somewhere. I got

544
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,479
Speaker 1: it sent to me two weeks ago from a fellow

545
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 1: Bachelor contestant, asking what the heck is this? There's a

546
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: video of like a birthday party. It's I don't know

547
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: if it's like a commercial or whatever. It is. Everybody's

548
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: in suits and dresses and they're looking nice. What's up

549
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: with Vinny in these videos? I wish I knew. Okay,

550
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: there's no good reason that. That's a great question. And

551
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: I've been around Vinny and his videographer and like a

552
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: couple of club appearances, and it's a little bizarre. I

553
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: thought it was like for higher once or twice to

554
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: show off, you know. I think it's also I think

555
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: it's one of his friends too, so kind of just

556
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: helps his friend get to get his name out there

557
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: and stuff. Well, hey, you know what, We're a podcast

558
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: about helping people. That's you know what we might be

559
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: about The Bachelor, but we're but we're mostly about helping people.

560
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: So for all the listeners out there, if you're wondering,

561
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: go to YouTube. Type in Vinny vinsanity. I don't know

562
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: what he calls himself these days. Birthday party video watch it,

563
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: get some YouTube hits, help him out promoted a little bit.

564
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: It's the weirdest thing I've seen in a long time. Um,

565
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: but hey, if the guys trying, the guys trying, so

566
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: go ahead and go out and watch it. You know,

567
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: if you pay attention really really close to one of

568
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: those videos, if you find Vinney's birthday party video from

569
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: last year, you'll see me in it before all the

570
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: magic started to happen. Lacy, I just want to clarify

571
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: your bottom line as to work. Where you and Daniel

572
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: differ on what's been aired, is that you're like, hey,

573
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: we've been talking like crazy since January. This is why

574
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 1: I had such intense feelings for this guy. I'm not

575
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: a crazy person, and he could have been feeling just

576
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: as much as I was, given the communication we had. Okay,

577
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 1: but I think what ended up happening with you know,

578
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: just the way the finale was presented. But you know,

579
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: none of us know how that happen until it happened. Um.

580
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: I think maybe just sent him into this survival mode

581
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: where he felt he needed to defend himself so much.

582
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: In doing that, there's so many holes in the story

583
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: and so many pieces missing. Like, even I myself got confused,

584
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: and the glory of Facebook messengers that you can go

585
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: back and check everything, So I like went back to

586
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: to reread. I'm like, is this really? Like in my head?

587
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: Is he right? Like? What is going on here? Give

588
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: me an example from Facebook, some juicy stuff that he

589
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: said to you that you have in type I might

590
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: have to save those for his next interview. UM See,

591
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: my thing is, um this is only the second interview

592
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: I've done talking about this. I think you could tell

593
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: in the finale it was really tough for me. I

594
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: was like, my voice was shaking. I couldn't even really

595
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: like get through the story because this is actually pretty

596
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,479
Speaker 1: serious for me, Whereas for him, it's like, you know,

597
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: he's taking any any interview he can get, and in

598
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: that he's just continuing to spread all this stuff that's

599
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: not true. So that's why I reached out to you.

600
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: I was like, at some point this has got to stop.

601
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: And maybe this is me reaching out via podcast world saying, hey, Daniel,

602
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: let's mom with our lives to stop talking about this.

603
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: Where do your current feelings for him lie? You know,

604
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: as much as I want to hate him, he's not

605
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: a bad person. He just he just did a bad thing.

606
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: But he's not a bad person. And it actually really

607
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: breaks my heart to see like there's you know, the

608
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: whole social media world like writing awful things on his photos,

609
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: and like, that's not what I wanted. I just wanted.

610
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: I just wanted the truth to be out there. So

611
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: when I see kind of people turning on him, it

612
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: breaks my heart because even I don't hate him. You know, again,

613
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: he's not a bad guy. He just did a bad thing.

614
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: So all um, before you leave, I thought we could

615
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: have a nice little off topic conversation on topic, off

616
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: topic conversation. Do you guys like to text the person

617
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: your quote talking to dating all day long? Or do

618
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: you like to like have a call at the end

619
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: of the day. And that's it, because I am like

620
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: this with my friends and with people that I'm quote

621
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: talking to. I just needed sprinkle here or there. I'd

622
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: rather one substance call than a whole bunch of like

623
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah all day long, back and forth.

624
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: And I'm just curious because lazy you seem like somebody

625
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: who wants me in constant contact. What about And then

626
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: Ben seems like he's on the other side of the spectrum.

627
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: I think it's circumstantial, you know. I mean, I live

628
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: in New York City. I live a really busy life.

629
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: I work, I'm not around a lot during the day.

630
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: Um So when it comes to, you know, having free time,

631
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: I'd love to spend that free time talking to people. Yeah,

632
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with lazy. I guess, like you know,

633
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: life does catch up with you and you get busy.

634
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: There's there's moments of business. Um. I found out recently.

635
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: And this is my own personal struggles. UM, I have

636
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 1: a to do list every morning that I do it

637
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: before I go to bed at night. And so I

638
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: wake up and I have this list, and I'm starting

639
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: to see that I'm adding in phone conversations into that.

640
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: So call my buddy Corey, or hey, call you know,

641
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: some one of my friends at this time, because I

642
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: have thirty minutes free and that's not really necessity to

643
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: the life I want to live. Because it feels like

644
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm doing a checklist and instead of investing in relationships,

645
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm just fulfilling relationships. I'm just making just kind of

646
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: crossing him off the list. And but when it comes

647
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: to dating relationships, I'm definitely not a Texter. No, There's

648
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: just I feel like so many things that we could

649
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: be doing outside of sending memes to each other or selfies. Um,

650
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: it's definitely important then they are. It's definitely a generational thing,

651
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: I think. I think like people, you know, lower twenties,

652
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: they need that constant texting all day long. But for me,

653
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it's mus more meaningful of you even

654
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: call and have a ten minute conversation with me. Um, Ben,

655
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: I think it was nice that you or even I

656
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: kind of think it's nice that you're pennciling in conversations

657
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: just because you're dedicating time to your friends. And like

658
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like I ignore texts and I'm like,

659
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: why am I ignoring the text of my friends? Yeah, no,

660
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: I've seen that before too, I have. I think it's

661
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: a security thing for me when it comes to dating.

662
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: It's like I want to know that the other person

663
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: is thinking about me, and if they're you know, just

664
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: texting me, then I know that they're thinking about me.

665
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: When I'm you know, not physically seeing them. I lay,

666
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: I think that Daniel will be thinking about you. Um.

667
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: After listening to this podcast, thank you for clearing everything

668
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: up today. We really appreciate it. I hope I hope

669
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: listeners get a little more clarity now. Yeah, you know,

670
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: and and we just appreciate you coming on and trying

671
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: to trying to tell the truth. Uh, it's a hard situation.

672
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: Like you said, you don't hate Daniel, so nobody out

673
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: there should hate Daniel. It's it's he did maybe a

674
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: bad thing or just the situation was a difficult one

675
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: for him. But the end of the day, you both

676
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: invested into relationship that you allowed all of us to

677
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: have a close, up close and person to look at,

678
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: and we have to appreciate that. But now we appreciate

679
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 1: you coming on the podcast because that's what this podcast

680
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: is all about. It's telling the behind the scenes to

681
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: a world that we just get to watch on TV.

682
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: So Lacy, thank you for joining the Almost Famous podcast today.

683
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. Thank you. We'll

684
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Speaker 1: talk to you soon. You know. You know what else

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Speaker 1: we appreciate, Ben, I mean, I appreciate sending a good

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Speaker 1: You've never sent me a selfie? How will weird would

688
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,000
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689
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: was like Gun's face is selfie. I'm going to do

690
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 1: this later to you. But I am more confident sending

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Speaker 1: And I can't wait to see that face in vague

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Speaker 1: guess this weekend. That is right, and I cannot talk

734
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: to I cannot wait to talk to you about Vegas

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00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: here in an upcoming segment. Actually, we have a lot

736
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: to talk about, a lot to break down a lot

737
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: of things that we think will happen. We'll actually fall

738
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: in love in Vegas this weekend. We'll have to wait

739
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: and see. But we are lucky enough before that segment

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00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: to talk to something. I'm out Earlier, Danielle l is

741
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: on the line. Um, Danielle, Hello, I'm Ben. Thank you

742
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: for doing the Almost Famous podcast. Danielle Hi, Hello, how

743
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: are you guys? Good? How are you? We're just talking

744
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: about your Instagram the other day and how much buzz

745
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: it's got. Oh goodness, you know, I'm like I didn't

746
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: need to photo oh like, just get rid of it.

747
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: There's like so many questions post posting that photo. But yeah,

748
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: I mean, what did you definitely to the photo or

749
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,479
Speaker 1: the caption? Um, it was a pretty interesting next because

750
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: I feel like the people who reacted, I mean the

751
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: photo on the captain definitely don't or respawn necessarily. I mean,

752
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: that was the only photo that I had of us

753
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: post Paradise, like outside of the show. But I didn't

754
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: want to take a photo from Paradise because we had

755
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: a relationship outside of that. So it didn't really make

756
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: sense for me to post something from the show. That

757
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: was the only photo you guys had of all the

758
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: times that you guys went out. I'm not really the

759
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: type of person, like, especially in the beginning of relationship,

760
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: to like take my phone out and all this initiat

761
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: taking photos. So that photo was actually taken by a

762
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: friend Daniel. Before we get started here, UM, I want

763
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: to clear some things up. And so obviously this is

764
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: a talked about photo, right uh, with the caption and

765
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: the picture and everything. I mean, it's gotten a lot

766
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: of buzz, a lot of attention. We on the Almost

767
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: Famous podcasts have our own questions about it. We do.

768
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: We started out this podcast honestly saying, hey, uh, in

769
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: all honesty, this kind of shocked us. It surprised us.

770
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: We don't get it. Um, I couldn't understand. I mean

771
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: I read the caption for the first time Daniel, and

772
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, she says she isn't pretty, like

773
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: Daniel is one of the most pretty people I've ever

774
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: seen on Tell of as and and then they explained

775
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: to me, no, she's actually saying she is pretty and

776
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: that she's not getting the respect that she deserves because

777
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: people can't look past the outside of parents. Um. And

778
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: so we just have a lot of questions we brought

779
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: up and as we started started to talk as a

780
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: team here like, you know what, it just sounds like

781
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: we're making speculation, we're making assumptions we don't really know,

782
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: we don't know the true meaning behind it. So we

783
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: wanted to get you on the phone to explain yourself

784
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 1: and so that we're not coming off as three people

785
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: really two people, but a producer that's very fired up

786
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: about this topic. UM, that that are just coming up

787
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: with things off the top of head. We want to

788
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 1: talk to you at the source, So can you kind

789
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: of cleared up for us and our listeners. What exactly

790
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: was the intention with the photo. Yeah, well, I mean,

791
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: do you and know how a relationship post Paradise it

792
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: was on boyfriend girlfriend, I definitely wouldn't say so, but

793
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: we definitely continue things outside of Paradise, and you know,

794
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: it always told me that, you know, no matter what,

795
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: like you would always have my back and you would

796
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: stand up for me. And I just felt like seeing

797
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: how things are portrayed on the show and how it

798
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: just showed a very physical, surface level relationship versus things

799
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: that I felt like actually occurred on Paradise and post

800
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: Paradise was so different, and I felt like, you know,

801
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: I think you and I both experienced a lot of

802
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: backlash from fans and people in the audience just speculating

803
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: in terms of like what our relationship was and what

804
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: kind of people we were. And so I was really

805
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: just expecting him to kind of help my back and

806
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: stand up for me a little bit more in terms

807
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: of social media and the press, and I think he

808
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: took the route of, you know, just giving more validation

809
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: to relationship with Christina and and so I don't know,

810
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: I had talked to him and he said that he's

811
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: just going to post something like kind of clearing everything

812
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: up and having my back, and I just never felt

813
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: like he did. So after the Funaley, I was like,

814
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: this is kind of like my parting gift, and it

815
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: showed people that now there's more than meat fine that's

816
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: shown on TV, and that we did have a relationship.

817
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: And it kind of sucks how they just portrayed me

818
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: as someone who it's looks and doesn't have anything else

819
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: to offer. So that's kind of what my captain endailed.

820
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: I guess I wouldn't question the captain at all if

821
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: it didn't have to, if it wasn't a picture like that.

822
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: And I guess if you had simply just said, like

823
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 1: I wish you guys would have seen like our deeper,

824
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: more meaningful communicative relationship on the show versus just the

825
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: physical side, like why and then a photo of a

826
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: kissing I know, yeah it's a little ironic. Um, Yeah,

827
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: why did you feel the need to bring in the

828
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,959
Speaker 1: whole criticize and ridiculed figure looks? Because I think people

829
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: automatically want to jump to an assumption when they meet

830
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: someone that you know, all there is to them is

831
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: their boss. And I think you know, there are a

832
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: lot of people that you know, I love to be

833
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: recognized for the our looks, and I feel like, you know,

834
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: I've worked so much harder on things in terms of

835
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: my career and who I am as a person, and

836
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 1: that's not the only thing that I have to offer

837
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: a person or relationship. And I don't think that was,

838
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: you know, the main reason why Dean and I did

839
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: have a connection. So I don't think anyone was actually

840
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 1: saying that. And here's the thing. I'm gonna be brutally honest.

841
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: It's very hard for people, and I'm speaking just in

842
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: general to sympathize with somebody who's like and I'm I'm

843
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: not trying to put words in your mouth. Oh it's

844
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: so hard for me because I'm so pretty. The analogy

845
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: I used is it's like somebody saying life is so

846
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: hard for me. I only have a hundred and eighty

847
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: million dollars. It's really difficult where I think there are

848
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: other ways you could have done what your intention was. Yeah,

849
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: and maybe that's so, but I just felt like, you know,

850
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I don't know, like I'm not

851
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 1: going around saying that like I'm the most hard to

852
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: person or these things. But it just changed that's not

853
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: the only thing that I have to offer a person,

854
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: And it's not necessarily saying that I think so highly

855
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: of myself in terms of my physical parents. I'm just

856
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: saying that is something that does play factor in my

857
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: life and by relationships with people and have for CVD.

858
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: Do you think that life has been harder in ways

859
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: because you're pretty No, I don't think life has been

860
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: harder at all. But I'm just saying that, you know

861
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: mine movement that life has been hard because of my luck.

862
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that it's something that I feel like

863
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: I have to work harder for in terms of proving

864
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: my roles and work and my relationships with people. So

865
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it's harder, but I definitely think it's

866
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 1: a factor. But Daniel, I understand what you're saying because

867
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: you had such a frustration because there was like so

868
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: many things left out and people didn't get to see

869
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: what you felt, you know, because you guys had conversations

870
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 1: and you felt deeper and you were respectable and all

871
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 1: that stuff. But that just doesn't seem to be something

872
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: that people are thinking about, and they're just thinking about

873
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: your physical connection, right, And you just wanted to be

874
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: like you guys, there was more, there was more beyond that. Yeah, exactly.

875
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: It's kind of like for me, that was my closure.

876
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: Like I said, my beef, I said things that I

877
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: felt like weren't for traded on the show or afterwards,

878
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: and and now I just want to be able to

879
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: move on. I mean it makes sense to me. I

880
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 1: mean I guess, yeah, you kind of hit the firing

881
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: line there. Um. I tried to set you up to

882
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: warn you, right, because there are a lot of questions.

883
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna if you're going to post a picture,

884
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: and I've I've I've I've been there, Daniel like I,

885
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: and I think Ashley has and and Amy is usually

886
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: the firing one. So um, but we've all been criticized

887
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: for something we've posted, um, and we've all had to

888
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: respond to it. And so in order for this to

889
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: make sense, I think it is appropriate and fair for

890
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: people to ask you questions and you to respond and

891
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: you have. Um. The one thing I have is you

892
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: kind of took in the caption or the picture. It

893
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: seemed like there is a bigger purpose behind it, right,

894
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 1: You weren't just explaining a television show, and you weren't

895
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: just explaining your looks and saying, hey, you know, I'm

896
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: more than just a pretty faith You're you're talking to

897
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: a deeper I guess you're trying from what I got,

898
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: you're trying to talk to a deeper audience. Um, you're

899
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: trying to talk to people saying, hey, if you're struggling

900
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: out there with not being respected or being judged for

901
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: one thing or another, Um, just know that you know

902
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: you're not alone in that, because I am as well.

903
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: Is that true? Yeah, I definitely think so. I think

904
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: it's relatable, and I mean the response that I got

905
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: definitely a lot of questions, a lot of negativity. But

906
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: I think someone really sparked at the fact that it

907
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: felt like bind me posting that and my caption it

908
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: was just me kind of standing up for myself. I'm fair. Um. So,

909
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: I mean you're on the phone now, we've heard your

910
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: your thoughts. Where are you at with Dean? I mean,

911
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: we we got to find out exactly what happened in

912
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: this relationship post um finale or post film shutdown, and

913
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: and where does your relationship stand with Dean today? Um?

914
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: I think my relationship with Dean I've been talked to

915
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 1: him in a while, you know, I said my piece,

916
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: he'll text me hand just to take in and see

917
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: how I'm doing. But there's no romantic relationship. I mean

918
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: for me after watching the show and things. He said,

919
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 1: I don't see how why I would want to continue

920
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: our relationship with him, and Um, from what I know,

921
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: I think he's trying to work that with Tokima. So

922
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of trying to be respectable and keep

923
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: find distance. That's fair. I mean, that's It's gotta be

924
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 1: a tough situation for you, UM and Christina and Dean,

925
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: but I mean we're talking to you currently, and so

926
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: has this I mean, has this been tough on you?

927
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: I mean, how are you doing today? Oh? I mean

928
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: talking about it and having to like relive it. It's

929
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: definitely tough. But I mean I've moved on. I'm dating

930
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 1: kind of trying to look at things in a positive

931
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: light and move forward. You know, I don't I don't

932
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: hope anything Againstean. I think I am disappointed by the

933
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: way I felt like Key handled things, but I don't

934
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: hope anything against Christine And I think it's just one

935
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: of those situations where a guy like you girls, and

936
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: it just caused a whole lot of drama in paradise,

937
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: but I just want to move through it. So all right, well,

938
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: daniel I think you did clarify a lot and I

939
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: really appreciate you coming on. Oh yeah, of course, we

940
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: really And I know this. This sounds like we were

941
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: just and you're gonna if you listen to podcast, you're

942
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: gonna hear the beginning. And we started to talk and

943
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: we started to go to on a rabbit hole. We're like, hey,

944
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: this isn't going anywhere good. It just sounds like we're

945
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: being critical. That's not fair to Danielle, and so we

946
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: need to figure out from her what exactly the meaning was.

947
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: And that's why we called you, and it does. Thank

948
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: you for coming on Almost Famous podcast to to talk

949
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, of course, yeah, and thanks for letting

950
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: me explain. Hey, have a greg rest of the day

951
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: clarity on a subject that is public. You can come

952
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: to the Almost Famous podcast. Yeah, all right, Hey, thanks Danielle.

953
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: Of course, all right, thanks guys. Right, well, she's I mean,

954
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: it's tough, right. Actually I listened to her and I

955
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: can hear that. You know, it's a hard situation. I

956
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: don't know if if she realized exactly it sounds like

957
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: I guess she doesn't realize exactly what she posted when

958
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: she posted it until the reaction came out. Right. I

959
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: think at least she did admit that it was a

960
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: really ironic picture to choose for the messages trying to

961
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: convey that might be the whole thing here. It's a

962
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: poor picture choice, and we could probably pretty much leave

963
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 1: it at that. She knows that now, you know, she's

964
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: even talked about taking it down. She realizes it was

965
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: probably mistake. Um. But even if she did make a mistake,

966
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 1: and this is what I don't want to ever communicate.

967
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about daniel We'll talk about Vinnie's videos,

968
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: We'll talk about Danielle on here. You know, we can

969
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: all make mistakes. It's just downing up to him and

970
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: moving on past them and learning from them that we

971
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: want to help facilitate. Here. I guess it was a

972
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: salacious choice. It definitely was um intended to get into attention. Yeah,

973
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,440
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974
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975
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999
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Speaker 1: one of fastel Nation's longest running contest since um. He

1000
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: has a lot of experience on these television shows. He

1001
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: knows this world very well. In fact, he's been around

1002
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: long enough to actually know in person our next Bachelor,

1003
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: Ari Liondike. Hey, guys, this guy has a plaque like

1004
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: he had a plaque um or like one of those

1005
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 1: things like banners. You know how stadiums they have banners for,

1006
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, to commemorate each Super Bowl or each World series.

1007
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: This guy had in his own banner because he's been

1008
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 1: on five seasons of the Bachelor franchise, right, and he's

1009
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: back for his first episode of the Almost Famous podcast.

1010
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: Hey Chris, you're on Who the heck are you? Who

1011
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: the heck are you? Well, you've been on the show

1012
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: five times. We know who that you are. This is

1013
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 1: this is true. What's going on? Guys? How you doing? Chris?

1014
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 1: Not too bad? No complaints? How about yourself doing well?

1015
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on Almost Famous podcast. We have

1016
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: one of our favorite segments is and It is titled

1017
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: who the heck are you? For all of our listeners

1018
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: to figure out you know who we're talking to you.

1019
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: You've been around for a long time, um, some of

1020
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: our listeners and I might not have been born on

1021
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: your first season of The Bachelor at but you have

1022
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 1: an interesting perspective because you have been on five seasons

1023
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: of this show and you know are upcoming Bachelor, And

1024
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: so I want to start saying, I guess you know,

1025
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm more interested. I can't wait. I'm anxious. I want

1026
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: to know about your season with Emily. That's how we

1027
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: know you. You're on Emily Maynard season. What do you

1028
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: think of Ari as a person? What do you think

1029
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 1: of Ari as the Bachelor? And then I guess if

1030
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: you can also in that little time talk about you know,

1031
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: how people might remember you? Yeah, sure, um, yeah, I

1032
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: mean I'm pumped for already for the Bachelor. Um, you know,

1033
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: obviously he was on my season and uh you know

1034
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: he was won the Final two and I was Final four,

1035
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: so we got to spend a lot of time together

1036
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: and um, we actually room together when we were traveling

1037
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: to just like let's know him real well, Um, no,

1038
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: he's you know he's a good guy. He's definitely there

1039
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: print than I guess previous bachelor's. Um, you know, he's

1040
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: he's um, he's definitely different. He's just he's witty and

1041
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: he's kind of got like, um, are no better to see.

1042
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: I'm like trying to struggling. You know that was a

1043
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: Bachelor and Chris, Chris, I'm telling you, just be honest.

1044
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: I can take it. Don't be kind. You can you

1045
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: can talk are up and talk me down. I'll just

1046
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: sit here and listen. No, I mean that actually, I

1047
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: mean are you know he's not your typical like he's

1048
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: not like jacked or ripped or anything. You're not gonna

1049
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: find like all these shirtless photos of him on Instagram

1050
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: and stuff. He's just like cool, like smooth guy and uh,

1051
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: you know successful you know outside of you know the

1052
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: bachelor world. You know you know his dad was his ari,

1053
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: Lewin Dyke, so you know that's pretty cool. He's he's

1054
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: a race car driver, um and just pretty down to earth.

1055
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: It doesn't really be wrong the push and he's he

1056
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: he's an honest guy. That just um, you know I

1057
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: have I really don't have any bad things to say

1058
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: about him. Well, was the last time you had a

1059
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: real full conversation with him that wasn't via text. Um,

1060
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: you know recently actually, because um, you know Michael Man's

1061
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: from our season who who passed away. Um, are was

1062
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 1: actually really close with him, and you know I knew

1063
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 1: Michael pretty well too, so we all kind of connected

1064
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: after that, and you know, uh spoke about that a

1065
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,240
Speaker 1: little bit. So you're saying you don't have any insight

1066
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: as to this girlfriend that he broke up with in June,

1067
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: who seems to have some pretty gnarly things to say

1068
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: about him, which one, Um I actually did. I actually

1069
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: did know one of his old girlfriends, Jenna. Um, but

1070
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: that was that was a while ago when he was

1071
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: um probably a couple of years ago. But no, I

1072
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: feel like you know everyone you know once someone gets

1073
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: chosen to be the batchelor. I don't know if that

1074
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: happened for you, Ben, but I feel like, you know,

1075
00:54:58,239 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: a lot of girls kind of kind of come out

1076
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: of the works, and um, you know, I mean I

1077
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: don't I don't really know what the relationship was. But

1078
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: if it wasn't serious, um, what's the big deal? I mean,

1079
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: the guys you know, I got chose to be the bachelor,

1080
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,919
Speaker 1: so he's he's getting after it. Yeah, and they broke

1081
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: up before he was even probably being considered so right.

1082
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it's a big deal at all.

1083
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: She's she's probably just looking for some attention. Have you

1084
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: ever been intimded by his kissing skills? He is the

1085
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: kissing bandit, after all, I've intimidated. No. But it was

1086
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: funny on my season because, um, I actually had the

1087
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: first kiss with Emily, and you know, then he had

1088
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: the next kiss and he was just like just eating

1089
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: her face, just like owning it, and like I was

1090
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: like super amateur compared to his his kissing skills. Um. So,

1091
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: I guess a little bit after after seeing that, Let's

1092
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 1: take a thing here, all right, Chris, we have the

1093
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: opportunity to talk to Ashley, and that's who I can

1094
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: find in about my situations with with females. Um women?

1095
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: Um uh? Is that a good thing? Actually too? I

1096
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: mean too he is known as a kissing bandit. I've

1097
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: seen some videos of it. He seems fine at it.

1098
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure he's great, but he does faith

1099
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 1: is that attracted at it? Um? I Like the thing

1100
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 1: about Ari is that he's very lippy. He doesn't use

1101
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: much tongue, which I prefer. We're gonna get really detailed.

1102
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: And he also is very slow to move in. He

1103
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: knows exactly where to put his hand. It's all about

1104
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: like his smooth motion going in for it. And I

1105
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 1: wasn't like, I wasn't into our like I was into

1106
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,280
Speaker 1: Jeff watching like that season, I was all about Jeff.

1107
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: But but Ari, I could not deny his smooth kissing skills.

1108
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: Well you've really studied that. Huh. It's been a while

1109
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:56,479
Speaker 1: since I've even watched it. That's how vivid the memories are. Yeah, yeah,

1110
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: he's um. He's definitely I guess known for that, so

1111
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,919
Speaker 1: nothing could be worse. Yeah, But then as a girl,

1112
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: you think, wow, how many girls has he kissed that

1113
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 1: he's perfected? This aren't like that? Well, I mean he's

1114
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: thirty thirty six, so I guess he's probably had probably

1115
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: had his run in with a few girls. Can you

1116
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: give us, like, um, just a little bit of trivia knowledge,

1117
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: something interesting that you know about Aria? The general public

1118
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: doesn't um a story from when you room together on

1119
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: Emily say. One thing that I really remember that was

1120
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 1: kind of weird is like him and Jeff would cut

1121
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: each other's hair, um, which was which was pretty interesting. Um,

1122
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: nothing really kind of out of the ordinary because as

1123
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: you guys know, I mean we're just kind of like

1124
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: locked up in hotel rooms and kind of it's just

1125
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: pretty basic stuff. But he's a funny guy, I mean,

1126
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: very wee and and and uh, you know, just funny

1127
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: in general. Well, oh my gosh, you just brought up

1128
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: Jeff and Ari and how they used to be such

1129
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: good friends. You No, I have to ask what was

1130
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: the fallout all about? You know, I honestly don't really

1131
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: know the exact details. But yeah, like I said, when

1132
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: we were trying, it was pretty much the three of

1133
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: us that would ruin together, and they were like inseparable, um,

1134
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: even you know, right after the show, and I'm guessing

1135
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: you had to probably do something with I don't know,

1136
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: Jeff spending up with Emily and something going on there.

1137
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: But um, you know, I know they were both at

1138
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: um I believe it was Seawan and Katherine's letting UM,

1139
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: and I believe they were at John Wilsoner's letting as well.

1140
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: So I don't know, Um, like I've seen Jeff a

1141
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: couple of times recently out in l A. Um, I

1142
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: really don't really know the details uh with that, do

1143
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: you guys know? I have no idea. I love to know.

1144
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: They were so oddly close for too final too, you know,

1145
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: the final four as close usually, but when you get

1146
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: down stard final two, there's always a bit of hostility.

1147
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: But it didn't seem like that between the two of them,

1148
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: even when Jeff was engaged to Emily. But I do

1149
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: believe I would just assume that between the two of them.

1150
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: I bet you that that riffs came from a girl.

1151
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, it has to be. It has to

1152
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: be that. Um yeah, I don't I don't really know

1153
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: what the details on that, but it's um definitely something

1154
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: that we're probably gonna find out eventually. I would imagine.

1155
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: What's interesting is that season. Your season was five years

1156
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: ago and it's still one of the ones that I

1157
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: remember most clearly, and it's still ones where we still

1158
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: have some names from it. We have Ari, Jeff, you

1159
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: and Sean. Interesting, right, but you don't remember and I

1160
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: don't remember anyone from Ashley's season or from Desert season. Um, yeah,

1161
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: that's that's true. I guess you know, Um, you know

1162
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: I've been on like five shows after that. I think

1163
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: I was really the only one you know that wasn't

1164
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: that was kind of on like some of the spinoffs

1165
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: that didn't end up being in The Bachelor Obviously, Sean

1166
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: was the Bachelor right away, now Aris the Bachelor, and

1167
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: Jeff was, you know, the winner. Um so yeah. Other

1168
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: than that, you know, I don't really remember a lot

1169
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: of people from the other seasons either. I guess I've

1170
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: come up with so many questions for you in this

1171
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: amount of time. Um, why do you think that Ari

1172
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: has never done a spinoff, never done Paradise. That's a

1173
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: good question. Um. I know he felt pretty jaded because

1174
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: I feel like he had the opportunity to be the

1175
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: Bachelor and I actually asked him to be the Bachelor

1176
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: who season my season, Christal season? Oh really all right, right, yeah,

1177
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: he had some pretty good jokes on that. I was good, um,

1178
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: and um so I think after that he just like,

1179
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: screw it. I don't really remember them, you know, hum

1180
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: really talking about them asking him to be on one

1181
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: of the spinoffs. I know Jeff was always talking about,

1182
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, possibly going on one of the one of

1183
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: the spinoffs that Jeff wasn't wasn't really desired for that role.

1184
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: Any whole other topic. We do need to have Jeff

1185
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: Home on here one day. Jeff, this is me begging you.

1186
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: I used to have a hardcore crush on you. Would

1187
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: love to talk to you and have you in studio

1188
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: one day. Anyway, Chris, thank you so much for being

1189
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: on here, and um, congratulations for being somebody in the

1190
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: Bachelor Hall of Fame. Did we ask Christy as a

1191
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: girlfriend now? Chris? Chris, do you have a girlfriend? Now?

1192
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: I feel I just we It's a tough one because

1193
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: we're just Um, I was getting someone for like two

1194
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: years and we just kind of broke it off like

1195
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: a month ago. So it's a it's an interesting time

1196
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: for me. Um, So I guess the inswer that would

1197
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: you know? Well? I mean this, This is one thing

1198
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,919
Speaker 1: we can take from this is it's never too late, Chris.

1199
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: And so if you can be the bachelor, you're single.

1200
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: Who knows what happens next year, we could be seeing

1201
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: you as the next bachelor. Crazy. It's in my five

1202
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: year plans, So I got It's awesome. Man. Well, hey,

1203
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on the day. Of course,

1204
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. That guy is then a round

1205
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: a while, and as you said, actually it is kind

1206
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: of odd that we remember so many people from emly season.

1207
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: But he makes a good point, right, you had. Sean

1208
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: is a bachelor, the most beloved bachelor of all time

1209
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: who marries Uh, Katherine, you have. I do think that

1210
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: you and Sean are tied for most beloved bachelor. You,

1211
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: of course, I truly believe Fire far higher on the scale,

1212
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: but I know that in the general population's eyes, you're

1213
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: about tied. Well, you're a very biased uh listener to

1214
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: and fans, so um, but there's a lot of people,

1215
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: and it was a great season, um, with a lot

1216
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: of big names. Actually, I am so excited for this

1217
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: weekend and and I want to tell a listener is

1218
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: exactly what we're gonna be doing. So I get to

1219
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: spend another weekend with Ashley I, which I'm telling you,

1220
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: when you have to spend a weekend with s I,

1221
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: it's always a blast. We're not only gonna be with

1222
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: Ashley I. Uh, We're gonna have a couple of other

1223
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: bachelor people with us in Vegas for the I Heeart Festival. Obviously,

1224
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: this is a I Heeart podcast, so we're go about

1225
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: the Vegas support my heart, listen to some great mu

1226
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: zick um. But actually we have a couple of ideas

1227
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: on things that might happen to my heart. Who's gonna

1228
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: get married, who's gonna get arrested, and who's just gonna

1229
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: fall in love? Okay, well, I have so many ideas.

1230
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: We have quite the crew. It's gonna be me, Ben, Becca, Dean,

1231
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: Peter meeting Peter for the first time, very exciting, and Wells,

1232
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: who also is part of our I Heart Radio family. Um,

1233
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: you guys, there's that little white chapel there. Would love

1234
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: to marry one of them there, but I have to

1235
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: say the person I'm going to bring over there the

1236
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: first choice. My first choice would be Harry Styles. But

1237
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: how funny would because Harry is going to be there,

1238
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: How funny would it be if Ben and I came

1239
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: on the podcast next week and we were married? Wait?

1240
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: You and I? Yeah, what if we were married this weekend?

1241
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: That sounds awesome? That sounds really really great. You know. Actually,

1242
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: I am um ordained in Nevada, in Vegas. I've married

1243
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: people based on it. On my season The Bachelor. Becca

1244
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: and I actually were able to marry people in Vegas,

1245
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: the Little White Chapel, So Ashley, if next week your

1246
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: last name's Higgins and this whole new podcast changes in

1247
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: such a positive way. Oh my god, how cute the

1248
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: van and I see Higgins show. Uh. Um. And one

1249
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: thing I want to give a shout out to is

1250
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,919
Speaker 1: uh Miley Cyrus is going to be a I Heeart

1251
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: festival um this weekend. And and Miley has been one

1252
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: of my favorite entertainers for a long time and and

1253
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: and in short, I want to hear a quick story.

1254
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: So I did a Humanitian hope fundraiser with Fierce forty five.

1255
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: That's a gym in Denver here a few weeks ago.

1256
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 1: And part of that fundraiser there's a silent auction and

1257
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: one of the item auction items were was a date

1258
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: with me um, which is ridiculous, but it's for charity

1259
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: and it's all great and too wonderful. Girl's been on

1260
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: it and and actually uh mought the date with me well.

1261
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: Um through some events, the one girl said, hey, Ben,

1262
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: if you can find us a Miley Cyrus autograph, um,

1263
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: it will replace us going out to dinner. I would

1264
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: rather have a Miley Cyrus petograph and so I reached

1265
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: out to Brandy Cyrus and Wells because Brandy and Wells

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Speaker 1: are friends, they reached out to Miley. Miley actually within

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Speaker 1: a week, I'm not kidding you, within a week sent

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Speaker 1: a magazine UM with a signature on it from Miley

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Speaker 1: signed it twice UM to this young lady UM to

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Speaker 1: support a foundation that I care a ton about. So

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Speaker 1: I want to give Miley a shout out right now

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Speaker 1: on this podcast and Brandy and well and say thank

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Speaker 1: you all for supporting me and I hope united and

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Speaker 1: also just doing some charity work but making it fun.

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Speaker 1: And so this girl is so excited for this autograph.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited because now I have a free night that

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to dinner. UM. But I want to

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Speaker 1: take this time to say, hey, I cannot wait to

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Speaker 1: watch Miley this week and I'm gonna be her biggest

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Speaker 1: fan UM because of what she's done for me. So Miley,

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Speaker 1: thank you. UM. And in addition to this week, Ashley

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Speaker 1: and I are saying in some pretty sweet digs at

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Speaker 1: the Planet Hollywood Resort and Casino. Planet Hollywood Resort and

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Speaker 1: Casino is actually now a sponsor of this pod cast

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Speaker 1: and we are ecstatic about it. I mean, how cool

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Speaker 1: is this? So let me read you what Planet Hollywood

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Speaker 1: celebrating ten years with all new rooms and suits. Stay

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Speaker 1: like to consider myself room, or upgrade to a spacious

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Speaker 1: suite with panoramic views of the Las Vegas trip. Whatever

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Speaker 1: room you choose, you'll feel like a Hollywood v I P.

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Speaker 1: Florida ceiling keg display and prepare for the kind of

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Speaker 1: dining experience that only Gordon Ramsey can deliver. Planet Hollywood's

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Speaker 1: Access Theater is home to the hottest resident headliners on

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Speaker 1: the strip. This is the place to see blockbuster shows

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Speaker 1: like Jennifer Lopez, Backstreet Boys, How Britney Spears, My Brittney

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Speaker 1: and I grew up to get Lionel Ritchie. Hollywood six

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Speaker 1: floor Pool Deck features all new cabanas, great entertainment, the

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Speaker 1: city's first and only flow writer. That flow writer not

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Speaker 1: the rapper, but the flow writer wave machine, and of

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Speaker 1: course great views of the Las Vegas Strip. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: blast this weekend. We'll tell you all about it when

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Speaker 1: we get back on the next podcast. Actually, I and

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Speaker 1: myself will be in Vegas this weekend at the I

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Speaker 1: Heart Festival. Make sure you tune in and watch. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you there. Yeah, and guys, UM, I was actually

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Speaker 1: staying at Planet at Hollywood when I wanted to see

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Speaker 1: the Backstree boys in June and these new suites they

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Speaker 1: really are their bomb dot com and I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to stay on one again. UM. Also been talking about

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Speaker 1: the good stuff that Miley did, I just want to

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Speaker 1: give it out a little Charlotte shout. Miley. I thought

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Speaker 1: that she's always been like the coolest, kindest hearted person.

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Speaker 1: And I've never met her, but even when she's going

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Speaker 1: through her wild rebel phase, I was like, this girl

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Speaker 1: has a good heart. I like her. I've always liked her. UM.

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Speaker 1: But speaking of like doing things for charity, UM, I

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Speaker 1: did want to give a little shout out to something

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Speaker 1: that a couple of us bachelor peeps are doing for

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Speaker 1: if only UM. We're trying to help the victims of

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Speaker 1: both hurricanes Harvey and Irma. So we're raising money by

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Speaker 1: throwing the greatest bachelor day of your lives. It's a raffle, So,

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Speaker 1: um amy, how do we get them to the link

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Speaker 1: to if Only dot com slash Bachelor. Okay, so if

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Speaker 1: only dot com slash Bachelor, you're going to see the

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Speaker 1: day that we have put together. First, you're gonna go

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Speaker 1: shopping with Amanda stand then you're gonna have lunch with

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Speaker 1: me and Becca, and then you're gonna go on a

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Speaker 1: two on one drink and appetizer date with Nick and Dean,

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Speaker 1: and then you're gonna hang out with us all at

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Speaker 1: a Jason Al Dean concert. So if you are interested

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Speaker 1: in having this ultimate bachelor day, then go to if

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Speaker 1: only dot com slash Bachelor and just enter to win

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Speaker 1: the raffle. You know, you put as many raffle tickets,

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Speaker 1: donate as much as you want. The more you donate,

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Speaker 1: the high chance of winning. And the day that we

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Speaker 1: will be hanging out with the winner is October six.

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Speaker 1: Here in l A. We are setting up hotel and

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01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 1: airfare for the winner as well, so please go check

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Speaker 1: that out. All right, um one reader email let one? Okay,

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Speaker 1: this one's kind of funny. So it's from Liz, and

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01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 1: she goes, hi been And actually my question for both

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01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 1: of you is how do you get over someone you've

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01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 1: dated and have invested so much time in and hoping

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01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: that it will work and it just wasn't reciprocated in

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Speaker 1: the end. I feel like it's so difficult because they

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01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 1: were a huge part of your life and now all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden they aren't there anymore. Do you have

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Speaker 1: any advice or words of wisdom for dealing with loneliness

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01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: or rejection? I really don't, because guys, I just nope. Um,

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01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: I just stay attached to them for a very very

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Speaker 1: long time. And all I can say is that I

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01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: think the way to get over someone is just finding

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Speaker 1: someone new. I normally don't get over the personal. I

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Speaker 1: find somebody now. Oh. Actually, I might have to disagree

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Speaker 1: with you on that. I'm not saying it's the boy

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Speaker 1: to be. I'm just saying that that's how I am.

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Speaker 1: What about you? Uh? You know you again, I'll say.

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Speaker 1: And I think I saw a tweet this last week

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Speaker 1: it says, Ben, you always pump actually up so much

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Speaker 1: as getting awkward. Well, dang it, I'm going to get awkward,

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01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 1: then I'll be awkward every podcast. If that's could it takes.

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Speaker 1: Um you do you just actually, I know, I know

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Speaker 1: you have a heart that doesn't leave easily, which is

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Speaker 1: respectful and an admirable UM, I feel similar, I guess

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Speaker 1: in the sen sense of I don't have as big

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Speaker 1: as hearts as you do. Please now you're listen, listen, listen.

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Speaker 1: So the email says something there that that I think

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Speaker 1: spot on the hardest part about a breakup, at least

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Speaker 1: in my circumstances, the fact that you have somebody there

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01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 1: beside you, your partner, your your your partner in crime,

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01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: your lover, you know, and then all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: they're gone. They're gone, and they're out of your life

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01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 1: and there and there's it's not exactly appropriate to keep communication,

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01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 1: it's not exactly appropriate to keep a relationship because it's

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Speaker 1: hard and stuff and it's lonely. Um, that's difficult. And

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Speaker 1: my advice to that is allowed to be difficult. And

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01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like that doesn't sound like the best advice.

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01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,560
Speaker 1: But feel that moment, feel that time, feel feel why

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Speaker 1: it's so hard, and I believe that through the loneliness

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01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 1: you will get to know yourself better, that you will

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01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 1: get to be stronger as a person, that you will

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01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: become less dependent on others and more dependent on where

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Speaker 1: you're at with yourself and with your faith and with

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Speaker 1: your relationships. Um, with whatever you know, faith you have

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Speaker 1: you know for me, I leaned on God a lot

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Speaker 1: during that time. UM. But with your family, relationship, with

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01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 1: your family, lean on those things. UM. I've always said

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01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 1: is in the best relationships, right, And I think we

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01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 1: forget this sometimes, and it's so easy to cross over.

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01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 1: It's so easy to become codependent with your partner. And

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Speaker 1: I think when you become codependent, when you lose that person,

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Speaker 1: if you happen to lose them, then you've lost a

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01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,080
Speaker 1: huge piece of yourself. But instead, if you're walking in

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Speaker 1: parallel in relationships, if you're if you're just solid partners

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01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 1: with each other, that you're not dependent, then when you

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01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,440
Speaker 1: lose that person, you can look back and say, hey,

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01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 1: I've learned a lot, this is a great experience, um,

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01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:12,799
Speaker 1: And now I have to find myself outside of this relationship.

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01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:16,799
Speaker 1: So my en shure, I would say breakups are terrible,

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01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 1: they're hard, they're ugly. There's not a lot of great

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01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of great ways to do them.

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01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: They're going to hurt, um, allow them to hurt, but

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01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 1: don't let that pain paralyze you. UM. And that's how

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01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 1: I get over its. Continue to find yourself in an

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01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 1: in a process that can feel dark sometimes. And also

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01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 1: remember you're not alone. UM. There's a lot of other

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01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 1: people out there, including myself, including Nashley UM, who have

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01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 1: dealt with breakups before as well. Um, you're not an anomaly,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're You're still lovable. I've been had to

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Speaker 1: be told it a lot, but you're still lovable girl. UM,

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Speaker 1: so so so so never forget that. Um, Actually you're

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Speaker 1: very lovable. Well, thank you. But there is one little

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Speaker 1: thing I wanted to mention in the email. It's such

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Speaker 1: a brief emale, but there's so much to say about it.

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Speaker 1: It is that the death of the day dreams of

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01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,520
Speaker 1: your future, you know what I mean, Like those daydreams

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01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 1: that you have for your future. It's not just losing

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01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 1: the person that you're within the moment, it's also losing

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01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 1: all those day dreams and all the things that you

1425
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: hope to happen with that person one day. And that

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01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 1: is part of that's I think that's the hard part,

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Speaker 1: is just having to let those dreams die. The fantasy

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01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 1: has to fade at some point. Um. But hey, we're

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Speaker 1: not fading. We're fading right in the Vegas this weekend.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with another Almost Famous podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is season three, Episode one, We're a Rap. I've

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Speaker 1: been been, I've been Ashley. Thanks for joining us. We

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Speaker 1: love you. Keep the tweets coming, well, I like you,

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01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 1: but yeah, all right. Follow the Benn and Ashley I

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Speaker 1: Almost Famous podcast on iHeart Radio or subscribe wherever you

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Speaker 1: listen to podcasts.