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Speaker 1: gonna stick with the NFL on this NFL Monday Black

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Speaker 1: Monday that's right, black man. We already have seen two

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Speaker 1: head coaches fired, right Freddy Kitchens in Cleveland and got

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Speaker 1: and you gotta play right. Franchise tag. He can be mad,

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Speaker 1: couple all the time. I'm not a Dak Prescott guy.

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Speaker 1: I'm just not. I just think the numbers are are

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Speaker 1: not always legit. I always look at who do you beat.

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Speaker 1: I always believe in that the teams that you've beat.

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Speaker 1: Right then, Uh, they go to the Philadelphia with the

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Speaker 1: Then they would have said, Dak has helped us win

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Speaker 1: the I Couple on Fox Sports Radio. Happy holiday, guys,

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Speaker 1: doing a great job as always, Thank you, Sean. I

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Speaker 1: can't I can't deal with Dak Prescott because we got

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Speaker 1: our own problem here in Tampa with Jameis Winston. I

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Speaker 1: heard you, I heard you mentioned that if he got

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Speaker 1: in the right situation with the right coach, that maybe

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Speaker 1: could turn him around. Well, my deal with Jamis is

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Speaker 1: everything is above the shoulders. I don't know if he

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Speaker 1: is that good a quarterback at reading defenses. Bruce Arians

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Speaker 1: was brought in here to be that guy, and Arians

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Speaker 1: is good, right, and and Arians is a quarterback. You know,

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Speaker 1: the quarterback grew. So where does he go on the

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Speaker 1: open market? And if you're a franchise and you're looking

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Speaker 1: at Jamis, do you look at cam Newton and say, now,

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Speaker 1: which one do I want? And what if Dak what walks?

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Speaker 1: And DA's out there? Who do you look at Dak?

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Speaker 1: Camay'll let Dak the cowboy? I don't think so either.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I'm just staying hypothetically. If he was

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Speaker 1: out there Bridgewater, Cam Jamis, it looks if Aaron gives

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Speaker 1: up on him, then that does say something. But what

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Speaker 1: if you're Indy? How about Indie frank Wright quarterback whisper?

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Speaker 1: Could he do something with Winston? Could he do something

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Speaker 1: with Winston? Absolutely? But somehow I think that if Philip

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Speaker 1: Rivers is gonna land somewhere, it's an Indy because he's

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Speaker 1: got a connection to Frank. Right, you know what, I

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Speaker 1: just think I wouldn't Rivers. I think it's done. I mean, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, but you know, people have relationships and

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Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. I agree with you, Chris that

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Speaker 1: I just Philip Rivers to me, I just wouldn't move

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Speaker 1: on that. And I understand where the Chargers are going

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Speaker 1: because there's a chance we talked about it before that Brady.

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Speaker 1: This could be Brady's last run in New England. He

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Speaker 1: could wind up playing for the LA Chargers because they

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Speaker 1: need to sell tickets and a lot of great quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: to finished up elsewhere. Chris, they have a pretty good defense.

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Speaker 1: They got something's going for them, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, all right, let's get to I got

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Speaker 1: another call here. Let's go to a dominique in Austin, Texas.

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Speaker 1: You're in the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. As

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Speaker 1: to Dan Patrick show, Hey, guys, I understand what a

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Speaker 1: lot of people feel about Dad, but really, the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: got enough money to pay him thirty five or forty

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Speaker 1: millions and to pay Byron Jones or Maury Cooper and

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Speaker 1: the franchise one of them. So the money is no issue.

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Speaker 1: Those three people are the people that they need to pay. Dominique,

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Speaker 1: I must you because you saying money is no issue,

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Speaker 1: and he would have been signed already. Come on, and

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Speaker 1: there is a thing about the money he would have

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Speaker 1: been signed. That's because with whoever his people is wasn't

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Speaker 1: done if they fought, but the cowl had got the

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Speaker 1: money through. Here's the thing, Dominique. Look at most of

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Speaker 1: these quarterbacks that get the huge contracts, from Kirk Cousins

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Speaker 1: to Matthew Stafforde and Matt Ryan. Most of those teams

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Speaker 1: don't end up being great teams once they pay the

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Speaker 1: guy because they can't pay anybody else. And it's not

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Speaker 1: as simple as oh, they got the money. There is

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Speaker 1: a cap and a lot of times when you paid

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Speaker 1: your quarterback huge money, you have to eat it somewhere

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Speaker 1: else and you can't go out and get the top

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Speaker 1: receiver linement whatever it may be. Y'all, y'all bet to

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Speaker 1: do your research. They got the money? No, not so

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Speaker 1: you give him? Would you give him forty a year?

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Speaker 1: All right? That's why noa the Dominique. The problem is

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Speaker 1: if that was the case, he would have been signed.

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Speaker 1: If they just given out money. Everybody's looking for a

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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback every team, So so if that was the case,

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Speaker 1: they would have signed him. Jerry would have said, how

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Speaker 1: much do you want? Fifty million? What does it matter?

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Speaker 1: I have the money. That's not how it goes, so

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Speaker 1: you better do your research. That's why I didn't have

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Speaker 1: a contract. That's why, that's why the Redskins never never signed,

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Speaker 1: never signed, uhcause I do think the Cowboys believe in

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Speaker 1: Dak much more than the risk. No, I know what

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying. If it was if money was no option, Cris,

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Speaker 1: it's not. It's not unlimited money. You've got a cap.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not buying that. Speaking of one quarterback, who now, Chris,

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Speaker 1: I think you should probably uh apologize to and give

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Speaker 1: him some credit. It's winch in a lifetime. Carson Wins

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00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: is better than Dak Prescott. We talked about it after.

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Speaker 1: I don't care yet after one look at what he

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00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: did though, Chris. His team beat down, battered, bruised, He

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Speaker 1: had nobody and they won their last four games, win

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Speaker 1: the division you gotta get, and he played well against

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Speaker 1: the John. Give him some credit, all right, give him credit. Look,

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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz has been great the last month of the season,

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Speaker 1: and I will give him credit. He did show what

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Speaker 1: everybody else has thought that he was and really something

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Speaker 1: he hasn't really shown since his what would have been

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Speaker 1: an MVPC that second year, right right, he was eleven

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Speaker 1: and two and got hurt. So I give you that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not against Carson Wentz. He just wasn't bringing it

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Speaker 1: and this backup was bringing it. That's all I'm saying

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Speaker 1: now here. I'm gonna throw a few things that you

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Speaker 1: rib about Wentz. First of all, let me say this,

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Speaker 1: stop calling Boston Scott and Miles Sanders nobodies. Those boys

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00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: are bad. Am I wrong? No, I get that, But

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Speaker 1: Justice Scott looked like another little Darren Sprowls. I know,

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Speaker 1: but you gotta admit no keeps. I'll give you that.

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Speaker 1: The receiver corps is depleted, totally depleted. Hey, what was

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Speaker 1: the former quarterback? Was his number one board? Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And then Zach Hurtz got hurt. That's his favorite targeting

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Speaker 1: on that. But here's what I'll throw at you, Rob

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Speaker 1: and then I want your your view on this. We

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Speaker 1: have seen the reports over the last what year and

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Speaker 1: a half or so about players having issues, not the

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Speaker 1: whole locker room, but some Illinois half a quarter or whatever,

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Speaker 1: but enough, right, you know, significant number of players had

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Speaker 1: issues with wins now my view, and that's where I've questioned, Okay,

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Speaker 1: is he a leader? Is he a guy that can

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Speaker 1: lead men and get guys galvanize the locker room? He

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Speaker 1: obviously was that this last month, There's no question about it.

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Speaker 1: But what what was noticeable? The veterans, a lot of

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Speaker 1: them were hurt. And I'm I'm sure it wasn't rookies

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Speaker 1: and young players and scout team guys who had problems

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Speaker 1: with Carson Wentz. So now he's got young guys that

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Speaker 1: had you know, they believe in him. They're trying to

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Speaker 1: prove they can play in the league. They're trying to

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Speaker 1: prove they can be productive players when given the chance,

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Speaker 1: and they're doing whatever Carson wants and they have had

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Speaker 1: great success this month. I think I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: a coincidence, and I think Philadelphia may have to look

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Speaker 1: at that. Obviously, you want to get very good players

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Speaker 1: in but I think that, you know, maybe some of

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Speaker 1: the elements in the locker room that were had issues

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Speaker 1: with Carson need to go and you get guys in

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Speaker 1: there that believe in him. He's our guy, he's the

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Speaker 1: leader of the team, he sets the culture because he

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Speaker 1: is by all accounts, you know, most accounts, I should say,

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Speaker 1: a high character guy. And so I think that's I

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Speaker 1: don't think that's a coincidence. Robe did. A lot of

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Speaker 1: these young scout team guys. They believe in Carson and

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Speaker 1: they had no choice but to do it his way.

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Speaker 1: And I think also some of those people who were

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Speaker 1: chirping and had issues when you look at his body

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00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: that worked and at the end of the year, and

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Speaker 1: how he rallied the troop, because you remember, they looked

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00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: bad at one point, Chris, it looked like they were

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Speaker 1: not going to get there, and instead they turned it around.

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Speaker 1: They win the last four, They win the big game

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Speaker 1: against Dallas at home, which easily they could have lost

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Speaker 1: and that would have been their season. Right, So they

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Speaker 1: win that game and then they finished up with the

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Speaker 1: big win, uh just over the Giants to clench the division.

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Speaker 1: So now you're gonna look and say, went in a lifetime,

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Speaker 1: Chris stayed healthy all year, right, right, But that's still

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Speaker 1: a question. No, but he but he did, though I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: but this year he's not get give him credit, but

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Speaker 1: it's the first year he's been healthy since like it's

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Speaker 1: freshman year in college or something like that. But he

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Speaker 1: didn't stay healthy, so and they won the division. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's get to a guy that can talk pro football

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Speaker 1: and college football. He's a Super Bowl champion himself and

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Speaker 1: now Fox Sports, NFL and college football analysts Spencer Tillman. Spencer,

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Speaker 1: what's happening man? What's at the Dan Patrick Show? With

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Speaker 1: the odd couple Chris and Rob? Chris Rob, I'm licking

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Speaker 1: my wounds. Oklahoma obviously my alma Marty doing much much

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Speaker 1: stronger LSU team, So we'recovering from that. But other than that,

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Speaker 1: life's good. Man. Are you gotta do it? Weird? Weird? Good?

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Speaker 1: But we can't let you off that easy, y. You

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Speaker 1: already know that, Spencer. I was one of the guys

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Speaker 1: pounding the drum. I want to see Oklahoma in the

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Speaker 1: final four, you know, when it looked like they were

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Speaker 1: gonna be one spot out, you know, I was like,

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Speaker 1: I want to see Jalen Hurts with these other top quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: I want to see them in the final four. And

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Speaker 1: every I heard a lot of people staying. But every

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Speaker 1: time they get there they get blasted and this was

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Speaker 1: I see the worst that we've ever seen. What in

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Speaker 1: the world happens? I've never seen anything like that, well

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Speaker 1: I have. I don't mean we can go back a

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Speaker 1: few years. We won't revisit the UFC of you know,

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Speaker 1: blood letting, but say, you know, look it, it happens, guys.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you why it happens. Again. My Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: fans out there are gonna suggest that I'm not, you know,

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Speaker 1: true to the Crimson and Cream, but that's not what

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Speaker 1: it is. I'm an analyst. Ultimately, I say what I see.

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Speaker 1: I think Oklahoma plays in a cul de sac of

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Speaker 1: a conference, and I'm not belittling them, but I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying outside of Texas, which is not back yet, um,

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Speaker 1: Kansas State with the team that beat them this year,

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Speaker 1: when you think about that, not to disparage anything about

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Speaker 1: what Kansas State is about, but they're not a peridio contender.

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Speaker 1: So there's no really flag bearer outside of Oklahoma since

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Speaker 1: Nebraska left for the Big Ten. And you know this.

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Speaker 1: The tradition is the currency of our game, and when

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Speaker 1: that starts to be diminished, I think the patina of

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Speaker 1: value goes away. From this conference, and it's been long suffering,

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Speaker 1: it's been over time, and it's been slow, and I

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Speaker 1: think what happens is you've either got to be elite

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Speaker 1: or when you get outside of that call the sack

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Speaker 1: of a conference, you get exposed. And it typically it

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Speaker 1: comes down to defense. And to me, I just think

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Speaker 1: that's where Oklahoma is right now. You know, Alex Strench

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Speaker 1: is a great coach. I like him to speed d concept,

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Speaker 1: all that stuff is good, but it came up short

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Speaker 1: and they were exposed once they got outside of they

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Speaker 1: called the sacking. They need to leave the big two.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think is the answer there? Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you necessarily need to leave, either

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Speaker 1: you entice somebody else to come back, or these other

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00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: two teams, Texas chief among them, needs to excel and

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Speaker 1: get get back to being Texas. If they can do that,

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Speaker 1: I think they can get by with two juggernauts in

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Speaker 1: the conference. And then occasionally, you know, I always stay

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Speaker 1: was on to come. I think coach Campbell is an

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Speaker 1: outstanding coach. Mike Gunny is going to be a consistent

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Speaker 1: nine sometimes ten game winner, but they always going to

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Speaker 1: be the Little Sister's Oklahoma, and that's just my feeling

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Speaker 1: about it. And they've never lost Oklahoma State. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's that's just the way it is in that conference,

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Speaker 1: and until they can get over that stigma, they're always

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Speaker 1: particularly now that they're struggling. So I think that has

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Speaker 1: body of work for a given year, you're gonna look

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Speaker 1: at the totality of what has happened over time. If

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Speaker 1: that narrative gets strong enough, that is to say, Oklahoma

649
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Speaker 1: does well in their conference, and then when they get

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Speaker 1: outside of it, into the big stage, they get exposed.

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Speaker 1: When that narratives start to be repeated again and again,

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Speaker 1: that objectiveness is going to disappear and start to bleed over.

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Speaker 1: And so when they get left out, they're gonna be

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Speaker 1: sitting there, as in tidal children, being a little bit

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Speaker 1: frustrated at the system. How about this Spencer. People are saying,

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, who of course had an unbelievable game, who

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Speaker 1: already won the Heisman Trophy. If he wins the championship,

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Speaker 1: would would basically register the greatest quarterback play in a

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Speaker 1: single season in college football. You on that bandwagon, Oh,

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00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: no question about it. But again it's not the reasons

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Speaker 1: sitting behind those starters at Ohio State. So there's a

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Speaker 1: lot that's still there. I think what the reason why

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Speaker 1: you can project forward? And that's what the NFL draft

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Speaker 1: is really all about, right, It's about projecting the potential

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Speaker 1: of a guy. When you have the convergence of a coordinator,

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Speaker 1: whether it's just through the passing game with Brady or Hisminger,

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Speaker 1: which was more conservative there at LSU, When you have

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Speaker 1: the coming together of those half that's those raw skills

671
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Speaker 1: and in a great mind, beautiful things can happen. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is the same quarterback that was there last year

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Speaker 1: in a more conservative office. Well where was that juggernaut

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Speaker 1: often sent? It took the passing game guru to come

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Speaker 1: in and unleash that, combined with the great defense, maybe

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Speaker 1: not the most elite over the ones they've had over

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Speaker 1: the last seven to eight years or historically longer than that,

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Speaker 1: they've been known for active defensive front. They're big, but

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Speaker 1: they're not nearly as athletic as they have been in

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Speaker 1: the past. But that's what the key is. It is

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Speaker 1: the coming together Brady is Minger with this run game

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Speaker 1: competency along with the quarterback who has all the capacity

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Speaker 1: and you've got athleticism as well. All of that coming together, guys.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those things where nobody knows what he's

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Speaker 1: capable of doing in this system. And so you shocked

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Speaker 1: not necessarily spread. You're in the SEC. I mean, nobody

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Speaker 1: handle them. So I think it was the coming together

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Speaker 1: conversion of several factors. They've got them where they are

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Speaker 1: right now. Fox Sports, NFL and college football analyst Spencer

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Speaker 1: Tillman joining the Dan Patrick Show. Let's go back to Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley, his name is being mentioned, you know, as

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Speaker 1: a as a pro coach in candidate Dallas, maybe Cleveland

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Speaker 1: with reuniting with Baker Mayfield. But you mentioned the defense

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Speaker 1: in Oklahoma, and that's a big problem. How much of

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Speaker 1: are enamored with Lincoln Riley. How much of a red

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Speaker 1: flag should that be? Well, I don't think it should

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Speaker 1: be as big of a red flag because you know

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Speaker 1: here in most cases that maybe three or four with

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Speaker 1: standing right now, you're gonna have general managers and people

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Speaker 1: in the process are necessarily recruiting. They're they're recruiting less

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Speaker 1: and they're more about selecting players who are gonna be

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Speaker 1: slotted in position. So when they go unto their meetings

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Speaker 1: to determine what we need, how are we gonna play

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Speaker 1: this game? Is gonna be complimentary. It's not gonna be

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Speaker 1: like college where it's gonna be one sided. Every throw

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Speaker 1: whether it's Washington State, you know with Mike Leash and

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have a downtick on the defensive side of

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Speaker 1: what they excel in, and that's throwing the football at Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: maybe not so much this year because Jason Hurts was

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Speaker 1: in earnest. Now the college game is influencing the pro

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Speaker 1: where we run a pro stall offense. Well, no, the

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Speaker 1: NFL is being influenced by that. So I think things

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Speaker 1: change a little bit, and I don't think anything's gonna

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Speaker 1: change it. Oklahoma draftically just hired Alex are gonna give

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Speaker 1: But it's it's a problem. It's a problem with anybody

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Speaker 1: who's focused so much on spread concepts that are based

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Speaker 1: in the past. You're not going to attract the lead

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Speaker 1: defensive talent, Hey Spencer, real quick. We only have like

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Speaker 1: thirty or forty seconds. Cowboys, of course didn't make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: If if you had to pick one guy, who's to

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