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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome into All Ball, the All Basketball podcast here

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Speaker 1: on the Heard Podcast radio network. I am Doug Gottlieb. Man.

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Speaker 1: Do we have a great pod for you and too

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Speaker 1: many of my friends who listening, Like man, it's so

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Speaker 1: much easier than just picking and choosing what to listen

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Speaker 1: to and on radio shows. You're welcome. We'll try and

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Speaker 1: keep evolving. And remember if you're if you're a basketball guy,

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Speaker 1: though there's the off season, you're still a basketball guy.

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Speaker 1: So subscribe, download, make sure you rate us, tell a

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Speaker 1: somebody you want to hear from, somebody's story you want

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Speaker 1: to hear from. Because because what we're gonna do here

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Speaker 1: as we move our way into the off season, obviously

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Speaker 1: we want to cover the summer of Lebron I wanna

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Speaker 1: we'll cover the NBA draft, um and um. We will

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Speaker 1: also get you ready for next year's college basketball season.

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Speaker 1: But I want to use this to tell some stories

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Speaker 1: and will have on uh some new head coaches both

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Speaker 1: in college and in the pros, some of these players

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Speaker 1: as well, and get them to tell you kind of

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Speaker 1: their basketball story. What better way, right than a pod?

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Speaker 1: Probably do so in condensed fashion. But two guys who

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Speaker 1: don't yet have the ability to write a book, we'll

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Speaker 1: do their book. You know, tell me a couple of stories.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the first time you play. Where did

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Speaker 1: you first grow up playing me personally? It was Miles

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Speaker 1: Square Park in Fountain Valley, California. Yeah, that's it. Now

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Speaker 1: there's also El Camino Park in Orange, California. And uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I grew up shooting hoops at places like

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Speaker 1: Orange Olives School. St. John's. Uh. St. John's Private School

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Speaker 1: is where my brother first started practicing, and then El

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Speaker 1: Medina High School and my brother went to high school.

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Speaker 1: It was the places where I first got buckets. And

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Speaker 1: it kid named Garrett Fips had a flat driveway down

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Speaker 1: the street. I used to go and and um, I'd

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Speaker 1: run out my house and my mom had uh bird

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Speaker 1: of bird is a bird of paradise, Birds of paradise,

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Speaker 1: bird of paradise plant right, and they had these big

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Speaker 1: y like leaves right there, tropical type plant. I'd smack

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Speaker 1: fives with the leaves and then as I would run

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Speaker 1: down the street or dribble down the street. It was

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Speaker 1: about I don't know, six seven houses down the street.

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Speaker 1: would be Brent Musburger running down the street, or or

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Speaker 1: maybe I would be how would Sell talking about the game,

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Speaker 1: and or do Brent Musburger interviewing Howard coat Sell and

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Speaker 1: then I would play the game one on nobody, get

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Speaker 1: shots up and then talk about my success story, interview

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Speaker 1: myself coming back down the street afterwards. Um anyway, and

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Speaker 1: then a Miles Square Park for my dad used to

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Speaker 1: drop me off. It's in Fountain Valley, California. It's called

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Speaker 1: Miles Square Park because it's a square mile you get

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Speaker 1: off on I always get confused at Brookhurster Euclid. I

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Speaker 1: they're on your left for an entire mile. Is the park.

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Speaker 1: left and you'll see I think nine basketball course and

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Speaker 1: there's a gym inside. I may have played in the

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Speaker 1: gym like twice in my life. It was all outdoor courts, uh,

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Speaker 1: and then let me help me get a team of

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Speaker 1: fourteen years old, and then he'd watched me play, make

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Speaker 1: is more of the high school college guys that have

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Speaker 1: That's where I grew up playing ball, thirty Street, New Court,

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Speaker 1: which is kind of interesting because three on three is

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna be in the Olympics of course,

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Speaker 1: the Big Three you see on Fox Sports One. We'll

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Speaker 1: have one of those Big three guys on as well

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Speaker 1: talk some more hoop. But let's get into the NBA anyway,

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Speaker 1: So that the point is this, Um, we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: guys tell their basketball story. Guy named Joe Small who

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Speaker 1: day before my first day of high school. I was

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Speaker 1: lightening up, hit a bunch of jump shots. His boys

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Speaker 1: my my nose just bleeding all over the place. If

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Speaker 1: you go back and look at my high school yearbook

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Speaker 1: at Tustin High School, this is two. My normally large

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Speaker 1: schnas is even bigger. It's a ridiculous schnaz. And the

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Speaker 1: reason it's a ridiculously large SNAs is because I I

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Speaker 1: got elbowed by Joe Small. Anyway, Um, and I look,

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Speaker 1: we used to play there on Christmas Day, and I

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Speaker 1: remember you go and you'd watch Michael Jordan's play, And

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Speaker 1: after watching Michael Jordan's play, you take your new shoes

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Speaker 1: and your new basketball and then you go and try

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Speaker 1: and play at Mile Square Park. So I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: more about my hoops story, my hoops life. Um. I've

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Speaker 1: had many people tweet me or text me or send

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Speaker 1: me messages on Facebook. There's the doug otlip Show Facebook

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Speaker 1: page and tell me, dude, I love the stories, the

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Speaker 1: Russian stories. I got some Israeli stories. Here's one for you.

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Speaker 1: I had a day Woo when I was in Israel.

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Speaker 1: Um our manager, team manager barely spoke English, and I

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Speaker 1: just remember that. The day he gave me the keys

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Speaker 1: like literally had mice inside in the engine, he said,

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Speaker 1: good lib no quick, no quick, and I took that

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Speaker 1: Like I could hold my foot down, hold my foot

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Speaker 1: And I'm not sure the car would even make it

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Speaker 1: there's a reason that day Wus have not made themselves

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Speaker 1: into the popular American society. I'm not even sure they're

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Speaker 1: not good cars. Their engines are a couple of mice

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Speaker 1: let's let's wrap up the NBA Finals. Um, I think

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Speaker 1: an interesting year. Look at the story of the NBA

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Speaker 1: Finals is going to be mistold. It just is. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be completely in tooldly mistold. It's gonna be told

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Speaker 1: as the dominant Golden State Warriors smushed the Cleveland Cavaliers

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Speaker 1: who had Lebron James and nothing else. It's really interesting

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Speaker 1: on what's happened to Kevin Love, how Kevin Love is

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Speaker 1: of being a stretch for in a stretch five. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He didn't shoot well for a good portion of the series. UM.

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Speaker 1: I think some of it is what Kevin Durant said

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Speaker 1: after the series, which is it is easier to be,

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Speaker 1: you know, to look better, the to look better on

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Speaker 1: it is to be really really good on a great

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Speaker 1: Love is suffering through what Chris Boss suffered through. When

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Speaker 1: you play with Lebron James and you're gonna be that,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're a power forward, You're eventually going to

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to make your catch and shoot jump

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Speaker 1: And when you lose, it's more your fault than his fault.

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Speaker 1: And look, some of it is the reality that if

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Speaker 1: It's it's interesting that because he's worked so hard in

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Speaker 1: his three point jump shot, he's no longer a dominant

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Speaker 1: but it seemed like he had a better low post

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Speaker 1: game back then. And now when he should be craftier, now,

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Speaker 1: when he should have a greater variety of back to

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Speaker 1: But um, it's interesting on how we completely dismissed Kevin

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Speaker 1: and it's Lebron and nobody else. Like when they got

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Speaker 1: happened to our our view of Kevin Love. The fact

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Speaker 1: is that this series had two very close games, one

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Speaker 1: laid down. The fact is that Kevin Durant was okay

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Speaker 1: in game one, all those plus minus was outstanding. I

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry went all crazy, Steph Curry on us, and he, Um,

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Speaker 1: I guess if you regress towards the mean, in game three,

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Speaker 1: the m v P two Curry. But I do think

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Speaker 1: the most valuable player was Kevin Durant. Outside of Game one,

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Speaker 1: the other three games he was locked in defensively. Um,

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Speaker 1: even in Game one, his plus minus was so good

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Speaker 1: it's hard to not appreciate just the amount of value

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Speaker 1: he brings to this team. But the idea that it

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Speaker 1: wasn't competitive, that's that's not accurate. It's just not The

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Speaker 1: Calves had a chance to steal Game one, and was

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Speaker 1: there a questionable overturn of a call. I still think

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Speaker 1: they got the call right. Um, you might not have

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Speaker 1: liked the process of how they got the call right,

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Speaker 1: but that was the right call. You don't call a

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Speaker 1: charge in that spot unless the guy is dead set

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Speaker 1: planted just because Lebron James, Like, oh well, Lebron, he

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Speaker 1: did sacrifice his body, didn't really take a charge, but okay, whatever.

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Speaker 1: The fact is, the Calves had two free throws to

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Speaker 1: take a lead with four seconds to go, and George

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Speaker 1: Hill choked the second one. Then they got an offensive

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Speaker 1: rebound and they didn't know what to do. Then Lebron

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Speaker 1: James melted down the sideline and they were beaten in

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Speaker 1: overtime before overtime ever started. These are facts, They're undeniable.

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Speaker 1: Game two was competitive. They could never get over the hump,

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Speaker 1: and they were still, I think reeling from what happened

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Speaker 1: the end of Game one, you can understand without Lebron

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Speaker 1: they were all caught in that one moment, that the Jr.

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Speaker 1: the feeling the Cavaliers We're gonna win this series, even

425
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: if they won Game one. I didn't think they had

426
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 1: enough to win this series. Go back. I don't know.

427
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: It was a fifteen sixteen years when the Sixers beat

428
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 1: the Lakers in Game one and people thought, oh, well,

429
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: maybe you know, and then they just crushed them for

430
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: the fourth straight. I don't know if the Warriors would

431
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: have done that, but they're just the superior team, superior firepower,

432
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 1: and I think it would have taken uh, an injury

433
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: or something really goopy to happen, because winning one is

434
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 1: one thing, winning four is a completely different end. No, looks, listen, look,

435
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 1: I thought it would go five or six. I thought

436
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: they could win one or two. I'm not saying that

437
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: I thought the Calves could win it, but I just like, look,

438
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: the games were close, there was an injury, Iguadala was hurt,

439
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,959
Speaker 1: how Clay got his ankle rolled up on. If it

440
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 1: was any worse, it could have changed the series. And

441
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: there was at least a period of time against the

442
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: Rockets in which the Warriors looked vulnerable, Like we're gonna

443
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: look back twenty years from now and they're like, man,

444
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 1: they rolled through, you know, in two thousand seventeen, and

445
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: rolled through in two thousand eighteen, and it wasn't as

446
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: as seamless as I think history will tell. No. I mean,

447
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: you know, compared to last year, and when you're sixteen

448
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 1: or one and you're just smashing everybody, Uh, this one

449
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: was a lot more difficult, and yeah, the Rockets series

450
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: could easily lost that one easily. I mean, forget the

451
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: injuries zgodal at all. I mean the Rockets at a

452
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: ten point lead at halftime, a Game six on the road,

453
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: at love point lead halftime in Game seven at home,

454
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: and those are deficits evens usually don't come back from

455
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: in conference finals because there are two really good teams

456
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: going at it. The Warriors just aren't a normal team.

457
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: I mean, they just a race deficits rather quickly. I

458
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: mean you'll look up and nobody down ten. All of

459
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: a sudden, they're up seven because they just hit you

460
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: with a bras at threes and they sink their fangs

461
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 1: and the defensively. But I agree with you, I don't

462
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: think it was a breeze this year at all. I

463
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: think it was a much depper track than than they

464
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: had last year. Obviously. Well, give me your assessment of

465
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: Kevin durant Um. He was so minus is he was

466
00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: so good, so good early on in the postseason, especially

467
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: without steph uh, and then he went through that stretch

468
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 1: against Houston to where, uh he seemed to not know

469
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: which way was up, you know, he didn't react well

470
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: to the physicality of Houston. Of course, they were kind

471
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: of playing three on five on offense, and he struggled

472
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: to kind of find his space when to go one

473
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: on one. And then you know, he was okay in

474
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 1: game one. His plus minus was better than his actual performance.

475
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: He was really really efficient to great and three fine

476
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: in game four. But you sit there courtside, you play

477
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: in the NBA, you covered this thing for years. What

478
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,479
Speaker 1: do you think about how Katie played? Uh, you know,

479
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,959
Speaker 1: I thought in the Houston series, p J. Tucker did

480
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: a really good job of being physical with him, not

481
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: just on deep fens, but on the boards. I mean,

482
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: he put a body on him whatever, he had a

483
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: chance to put a body on him, and I thought

484
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: he just got out of rhythm there for a while. Uh.

485
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes a lot of times to get the

486
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: ball on one on one, but it's a quick decision.

487
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: I thought against Houston, a lot of times, catch the ball,

488
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: hold it, hold it, hold it, which is when Houston

489
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: wanted them to do and forced him to do with

490
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: all the switching that they did. But eventually, this guy's

491
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: gonna get you is just at an elite, elite score

492
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: he's he's one of the more unstoppable forces the NBA

493
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: has ever seen. Because he's seven feet, he's lanky, you

494
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: can shoot over you. It just it's it's hard to

495
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: stop the guy. The really only way you can do

496
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: it is get a body into him and maybe be

497
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: physical with him and get him off his game a

498
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: little big because he's just one of those guys. Once

499
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: he gets to a spot, then he's got him. But

500
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: I thought he was more fishing against Cleveland, and I

501
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: thought it's all around game was a little bit better.

502
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: The whole Warriors slow kind of returned against Cleveland. Much

503
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: easier to do against a team that didn't practice switching

504
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: all year like the Rockets did, and the Rockets are

505
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: really really good at it, Cleveland not so much. So

506
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: he looked at his all around gaming against Cleveland. I

507
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: just think he was energized and gazed. He was rebounding,

508
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: he was he was he's throwing times the guys. I

509
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: thought he was really good in that series. I know

510
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: people are arguing, uh, Steps should have got the m

511
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: v P either or they could have given co mbps.

512
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 1: It would have been fine, But I mean, the guy's incredible. Really, Uh,

513
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: this was Bob Myers yesterday, um at the parade, and

514
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: then I heard you tell Kevin Durant he can have

515
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: whatever contract he wants next year. Yeah, that was just

516
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: for the media. He can't have anything d level behind

517
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: closed doors, because I think last three he told Steph

518
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: you can have any contracts he wants too, So, yeah,

519
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: that was different. He's been here from the run, you know,

520
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: the way in four days he's earned in their end

521
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: of the Warrior's cohesion right there. That's when it began fissure.

522
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: I took it as funny. How did you take it? Well, yeah,

523
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: I mean I think it is funny. It doesn't matter

524
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: how we take it. Thought matters how Kevin Durant exit.

525
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: And from what I hear, he's a you know, maybe

526
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: a little more I don't sensitive may not be the

527
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: right word. I'm not sure. But look, any time you

528
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: tell a joke and in the background you're here, oh,

529
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: then maybe you might want to rethink that joke, depending

530
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: out what form you're in, maybe that's what you're going for.

531
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: I doubt that's what he was going for. That. Oh

532
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: sound I'm not I'm not sure. I don't think it's

533
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 1: a huge deal. One way or the other. I think

534
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 1: most people can probably roll with it. Now maybe he's

535
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: rolling with it. Didn't find it offensive at all. But

536
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: but anyway, like I said, anytime you hear that sound,

537
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: you might want to look and go. I wonder pressure

538
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: just said that. How do they handle Draymond in that? Uh? Look,

539
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: he's he's in valuableton. He does a lot of little things,

540
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: but you don't have to guard him offensively, and he

541
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: he wants to be paid, frankly, above the level of

542
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: his role. And while you'd love to give him whatever

543
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: you want to give him, you know, like, look, if

544
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: you hand out all these MAX contexts, it's gonna forever

545
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: handcuff you to get other players to fill out that

546
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: bench that they need to fill out. How do you

547
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: handle Draymond in the future, I don't know. Uh, look,

548
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,719
Speaker 1: I think he's worth is Like if he isn't a

549
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: MAX guy, I'm not sure who is a MAX guy.

550
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: Because he does what those guys do on offense, he

551
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: does on defense. I mean he makes the entire thing

552
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: go defensively because he can guard just about every position

553
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: out there. He's a vocal leader, he holds guys accountable.

554
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: He's kind of the heartbeat of the team. When you

555
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: think of Clay step And and k D, you don't

556
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: really think of fire. When you think a Graymond, you

557
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: certainly think fire. And he gives them that juice that

558
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: they need. I mean, would it be the same on

559
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: another team. Who knows. I don't know. I don't know

560
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: what his worth would be on another team. I know

561
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: what his worth is on this team, and he's every

562
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: bit as important to those guys because without him, they're

563
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: not the defensive squad they could be. They weren't very

564
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: good this year defensively. They're really good in the playoffs,

565
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: not in the regular season, but if they don't have

566
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: that guy, they're not nearly the defensive team that they

567
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: have been in the past few years. And that's kind

568
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: of what separates them. They're really good offensively and that's

569
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: what they get the credit for, but defensively is where

570
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: they really really get after you. It really make those runs. Uh.

571
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: It's like the Spurs. I used to think of the

572
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: Spurs when they'd go on bronze. There's like a fourteen

573
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: to two run over like five minutes because they would

574
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: just kind of strangle you defensively. Uh. The Warriors when

575
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: they go on runs. I mean they're like twenty four

576
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: to two, like in like four minutes, because not only

577
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: do they choke you out defensively, they crush you on

578
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: offense without the threes. But back to Draymond, Yeah, I

579
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: just I think he's everybody as important as any of

580
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: those guys on this team. Last thing, Um, there's gotta

581
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: be some changes. What they did. They got the bench.

582
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: Is that kind of the plan you think? Yeah? I

583
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: think so. I think they'd like to get younger on

584
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: the wing. I'm not sure if mccause a guy that

585
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: that they they what they hoped they would have blossom.

586
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: Maybe by now, Uh you know, you got Iguodala and

587
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: you've got Livingston and then you got the four All Stars.

588
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,239
Speaker 1: You got six guys. You're looking and okay, that's our

589
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: core of our four guys. What do we need now?

590
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: They had way too many centers. They got Bell and

591
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: they got cooked. So I guess I got eight now.

592
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: But I think they'd like to get some more depth

593
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: on the wing because you really saw what happened when

594
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: Andre went out during the playoffs. And I'm not saying

595
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: that somebody could come into replace what he gives them.

596
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: But they gotta have some guys who could come in

597
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: off the bench, hit a few shots, play some defense,

598
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: and give him a little depth. I thought that's where

599
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: they were really lacking this year is on the wing.

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Speaker 1: Tom Tilber check him out on k NBR CO host

601
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: a great show and of course, uh he's the Warriors

602
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: analysts once again. They are champions of the NBA. We

603
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: gotta catch up more. I gotta hear some some Mulligan stories,

604
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: some Cerritos stories, some NBA stories. Can we do that? Boy?

605
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: You might not have a long enough show, or you

606
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: might want to get the dump butt now from no no, no,

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Speaker 1: I got, I got, dude, I gotta, I got a

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Speaker 1: basketball podcast. It's great. It's called All Ball and we're

609
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: just going to do Tom Tilbert you see I Mulligan stories.

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Speaker 1: It would be great, sweet me, and you'll be the

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00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: only ones interest. It will be awesome. You'd be you'd

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Speaker 1: be surprised. Thanks Tom. Thanks Next week, I'll give you

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Speaker 1: my entire big board. Next week we'll talk much more

614
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: about NBA Draft as well as some free agency. In

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Speaker 1: the meantime, I hope you enjoyed listening to All Ball.

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