1 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Welcome into Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink here 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: with Cliffton Brown, and we are going to talk about 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: some of the updated roster competitions, how things have changed 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: from what we saw at the beginning of training camp, 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: as well as some other news and notes items from 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: the first preseason game and what we want to see 7 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: moving forward into this Dallas second preseason game. So Cliff, 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: let's start here. Kind of the news of the weekend 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 1: was that the Ravens unfortunately put two rookie cornerbacks on 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: injured reserve and already the kind of mantra of you 11 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: can never have too many corners as being put to 12 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: the test, yes, and so Robert longerbeam six round corner, 13 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: and Balao Cone, another six round rookie corner who fans 14 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: saw injured in the preseason game, both placed on IR. 15 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: The Ravens signed MJ. Devonshire to the fifty three man 16 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: n s. They also signed a running back, Miles Gaskin, 17 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: because they are dealing with some bumps and bruises also 18 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: running back right now, but looking specifically at cornerback, Cliff, 19 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: how do you feel those injuries and placing two rookies impacts, 20 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: placing them on our impacts the fifty three. 21 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: Well, we don't know how big of a role both 22 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: those corners would have had, but looking at the total picture, 23 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 2: it definitely puts more of a premium now on other 24 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 2: players to stay healthy. Both of those rookies longer being 25 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 2: k could have had a role on special teams at 26 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: the very least. Who knows, with other injuries, or if 27 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 2: they played well enough, maybe they would have snuck in 28 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: somewhere in the rotation, because the Ravens do like to 29 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: play a lot of different combinations at corner and also 30 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: a safety. But you know, I feel badly for them 31 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: because young players have just set them back. You know, 32 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: they lost their rookie season and now in the bigger picture, 33 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: you know, if there are more injuries to some of 34 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: the veteran corners, it thins, it just stands it out 35 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 2: a little bit, so something you don't want to see. 36 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: It really shows you how quickly things can change, and 37 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: I think that it makes it even more important that 38 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 2: the Ravens went out, you know, and really beefed up 39 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: the corner position in the offseason, not just with the draft, 40 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 2: but with the veterans. They signed because it can get 41 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: thin really quick. Jea. 42 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: You're Alexander obviously in Chidoh Woozie. Seeing this two veteran signings, 43 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: I think from a fifty three man roster perspective, I 44 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: don't know that it has a profound impact because you 45 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: look at it, they really had a logjam. I don't 46 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: know that a roster spot for bk or Robert long 47 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: Mean was a guarantee, certainly, and so you look at 48 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: it right now, I mean of the corners that are 49 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: gonna see snaps in games, especially defensively, Let's just say, 50 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: right you have Marlon Humphrey, Nate Wiggins, jay U, Alexander, 51 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: and Chiatou Wouzie. Those are your top four guys. It's 52 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: pretty well, No's that's solid. Then at five, I think 53 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 1: Jalen armor Davis and the way he's played in the 54 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: preseason game, the way he's practicing if he can stay healthy, 55 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: which you know, we talked to him over the weekend 56 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: on Saturday, and he talked about how he's doing more 57 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: intentional things to take care of his body, you know, 58 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: off the field, away from the game, Like it feels 59 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: like he has a very good plan for staying healthy 60 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: this year. So that's great news because I think he's 61 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: always been a talented guy who can just flat out 62 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: cover people. And if he can stay healthy, plus his 63 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: position versatility, he can play a little safety. You can 64 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: play corner, you know. Zach Worr said that he knows 65 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: every position on the defense in the secondary, and so 66 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: to me, Jalen armor Davis, especially in light of these 67 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: two injuries to the rookie quarnerbacks, may have locked up 68 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: his fifty three man Roger spot looks pretty cemented to me. 69 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: So that's five, and then TJ tamp it would be six. 70 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: It's like, how many corners can you really keep? I 71 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: don't think you could have kept eight corners on the 72 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: fifty three man roster, right, so if you're at six 73 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: with Tampa. But I think Tampa also his chances of 74 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: making the fifty three improved. And now if you want 75 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: to keep seven, somebody like a Ruben Lowry, Marquise Robinson, 76 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: one of these undrafted rookies. I think the injuries to 77 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: BK and Robert Longerbeam cracked the door upen more for 78 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: those guys. 79 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd be Lowry is that obviously an outstanding summer 80 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: and definitely has put himself squarely in the player who 81 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 2: could make the roster of conversation. Yes, for sure, and yeah, 82 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 2: I agree with your assessment about the top six. So 83 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 2: I'm not going to repeat what you just said, but 84 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 2: I will say that now, you know, we're only one 85 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: preseason game in. We've still got two more season games 86 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: a lot of practices. But between now and week one, 87 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 2: hopefully everyone stays healthy, but if not, then the picture 88 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: is gonna change even more. So again, I wasn't expecting 89 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: both six round picks to be seasoned over after one week. 90 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 2: So now, even though it may not affect a big picture, 91 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 2: there's a little more I don't know. I'm not gonna 92 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: say concerned, but there's a little more thinking that. Boy, 93 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: I hope, I hope everyone else. I hope we're done 94 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: with the corner corner. It's just because now if there's 95 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 2: more injuries, then you're gonna start talking about people who 96 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: you weren't maybe expecting to play as much playing more. 97 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 2: And it is a good sign that both jyl armor 98 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: Davis and Tampa have played well because they still have 99 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:50,679 Speaker 2: a lot of talent at that position. 100 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. The other guy, Devonshire, you know, would 101 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: be in that conversation, whether he you know, obviously signed, 102 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: you're signed midway through training camp, you're at a disadvantage 103 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: to guys who have been here a whole summer. But 104 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: he would be another person in that conversation. The other 105 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: thing I'll add with Ruben Lowry is, you know, there's 106 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: he's been playing corner end safety, so there's a little 107 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: position flexibility there where if you were to keep him, 108 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: Let's say everybody stays healthy at corner for the rand 109 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: or of the preseason and you keep Lowry as a 110 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: seventh corner slash safety kind of like Ardarius Washington has 111 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: been over his career. You know, maybe he helps. Do 112 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: you keep three true safeties Let's say Kyle Hamilton, Malachi Starks, 113 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: and then Snoocy Kane and then Ruben Lowry you could 114 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: take that fourth safety spot plus at give you a 115 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: little bit more depth at corner. I don't think it's impossible. 116 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: Bo Braid is also competing, you know, to make the 117 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: fifty three is that kind of third slash fourth safety. 118 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: And I think he's flash too. I think he led 119 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: the team and tackles in preseason one, so you know, 120 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: I think Bo's doing a good job. But it's something 121 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: I think Ruben's versatility helps him out. He reminds me 122 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: so much of Ardarius when he made the team. I mean, 123 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: here's a short statued guy who just has a nose 124 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: for the football and this position flexibility. So like, I 125 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: don't know, it's interesting. All right, let's move on to 126 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: left guard. That was probably the number one competition entering 127 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: training camp. Andrew Voorhees is, you know, was the guy 128 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: who started the first preseason game against the Colts. Do 129 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: you see any change there between he and Ben Cleveland? 130 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 2: I don't. I'd be very surprised if Andrew Voorhees is 131 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: not the starting left guard. If he's healthy, I would 132 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: expect that. Maybe I'll even be announced soon that. I 133 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: don't think there's really any mystery there. He's played well. 134 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: He won a starting job last year before he got hurt. Yep, 135 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: So he's built on that to me and has done 136 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: nothing to lose that position. Okay. 137 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: Kicker Tyler Loop, you know, went one of two in 138 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: the preseason one game. John Harball said the miss does 139 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: not change his opinion of Tyler Loop, and it was 140 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: good to see him bounce back and make a long 141 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: feel goal after missing one, So how do you And 142 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: right now he's the only kicker on the roster, so 143 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: it's pretty darn clear who's leading there for the job. 144 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: Kind of how do you assess Tyler Loop and the 145 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: kicking situation. 146 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: I feel good about it. I just feel that there's 147 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: going to be other challenges ahead that he's going to 148 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: have to pass because he's going through all of this 149 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: for the first time. Yeh. But up to this point 150 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: he's handled everything very well. I do agree with coach 151 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 2: Haarball that it was important to see him bounce back 152 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: after missing that first one, and that's part of what 153 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 2: lies ahead. He's not going to make every kick he's 154 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: going to just think of every stadium he goes to 155 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: is new. There's going to be game winning big kicks 156 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 2: that do you want to want him to make? If 157 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: he misses them, he's got to respond. The mental aspect 158 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 2: is as important to me with the kicker as the physical. Oh, 159 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 2: he's got a big leg, he's got excellent coaches working 160 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: with him, and he works really hard. So the town 161 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: is there to me. The only remaining question is, yes, 162 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: how's he going to handle the ups and downs of 163 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 2: the season. But up to this point, I do feel 164 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 2: good about it. 165 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: I think that he's the guy. I think they're gonna ride. 166 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna ride the ups and downs, and 167 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: you have to know that there's gonna be some downs. 168 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: He's not gonna be perfect as a rookie. But I 169 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: think he's the guy. I think they've like he's shown 170 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: them enough both from you know, his his work ethic, 171 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: the way he purchased a game obvious talent, the way 172 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: you know mentally, you know, bouncing back from missus, bouncing 173 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: back from tough days here in training camp and then 174 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: coming back and being perfect next day, and quite frankly, 175 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: in practice he's hitting ninety some low nineties percentage of 176 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: his field goals. Like that is extremely good. And so 177 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: I think he's the guy. I think they're just going 178 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: to ride it out and like that's what it is, right, 179 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: all right? So moving on returner. Punt returner was a 180 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: big competition coming into training camp and one that you 181 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: know kind of flies under the radar, but it's an 182 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,599 Speaker 1: important position. Well, Jonty Western kind of you know, he 183 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: stake disclaimed for the job. You think you think that 184 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: one's over or what. 185 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: Yes, if that's not enough to win the job. Then 186 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 2: what else can he do? I mean, he you know, electric, 187 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 2: and I agree with everything you know the coaches say 188 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: about catching the ball's number one priority. But he looks 189 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 2: very comfortable doing it, and he's aggressive catching the ball. 190 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 2: I like the way that he is willing to move 191 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 2: up to catch the ball, won't let it bounce. The 192 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 2: Ravens led too many puns hit the ground last year. 193 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: Cast some field position, and then obviously what he does 194 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,599 Speaker 2: once he catches the ball. He has the ability to 195 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: take it to the house at any time. And you 196 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 2: give the Ravens offense more short fields, better position field 197 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 2: position they had last season, that means they'll probably be 198 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 2: more explosive. I mean, so, yes, it's really been impressive 199 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: to me how confidently he's played as a rookie. But 200 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: you know, it's fun talking to him after the game. 201 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,119 Speaker 2: He does not lack confidence. 202 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: No, he's got that South Florida swag to him, the. 203 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: South Florida flat swag. He's been around Deon Sanders a lot, 204 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 2: which you know will help your confidence. He coveted guy somewhat, so, 205 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 2: but hey, if you can back it up, which both 206 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: Dion backed, I think, Yeah, that's one of that's part 207 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: of Dion's secret sauce is that you give him a 208 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: player with talent, he'll give him the mojo. And yeah, 209 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 2: this kid's got it. 210 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I think that's perfectly said. He's 211 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: got it. He's got something a little special about him 212 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: and uh and I like the way that he just 213 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: confidently comes up and gets that ball. You know, the 214 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: last year we did not see that down the stretch 215 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: and that makes a big difference. All right, last one 216 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: for you, Cliff Rashena Lee had the long kickoff return 217 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: against the Colts, and you know, I think that he's 218 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: looked certainly better than he did as a rookie here 219 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: in chain camp practice. This is running ball. Well, any chance, 220 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: I mean, Keith Mitchell, we've raved about all offseason. Any 221 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: chance of Rashina Lee could steal a fourth running back spot. 222 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: There's a chance, but I say slim. They're so deep 223 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 2: and again it'll come down, as it always does when 224 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 2: you get down to those last two or three spots. 225 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: What's happening in another position has nothing to do with 226 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: running back could determine whether he makes it or not. 227 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 2: He certainly, as you mentioned, he's an improved player. To me, 228 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: he's an NFL player. But if you're ranking running back 229 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: rooms around the NFL, I mean I would think the 230 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 2: raven is a number one when you go three deep. 231 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: So this is the toughest prode, the toughest running back 232 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 2: room for young player to make. Yep. So it's no 233 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 2: reflection on him if he doesn't make it. I still 234 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: think that the chance of a slim But again, knock 235 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 2: on wood, if there were an injury at that position, 236 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 2: then he certainly would be a guy. Instead of thinking, well, 237 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 2: we've got to go out and get somebody, he's showing that, hey, 238 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 2: we have somebody right here who could do the job well. 239 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: I think everybody also knows. Young players also know that 240 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: when you when you step on the field in preseason games, 241 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: you're not just trying to make your team's fifty three 242 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: man roster. You're trying to make a teams a team's 243 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: fifty three man roster. Everybody's watching the tape around the 244 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: league and Rashe and Lee. You know, if it doesn't 245 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: work here in Baltimore, you hope for him that it 246 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: could work somewhere else. You know, I'm sure the Ravens 247 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: would love him to continue to develop here and you know, 248 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: whether that be on the practice squad or whatnot. But 249 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: like we've seen other running backs, Tyler Bady, you know, 250 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: other guys go to other teams and have Bobby Rainey, 251 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: you know, comes to mind, and so obviously I would 252 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: love to see Rasheen continue to develop here in Baltimore. 253 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: But the Ravens also just signed Derek Henry to an extension. 254 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: Justice still got one last season. Geat Mitchell's in year three, 255 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: So we'll see. But I think that that's if he 256 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: continues to make more plays in preseason two and three, 257 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: he's gonna have some interested parties. 258 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 2: We'll have a job somewhere he passes the eye test exactly. 259 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: All right, we'll take a break, and when we come back, 260 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about some other aspects of this team 261 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: from a roster composition and takeaways from the first preseason 262 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: game that could impact the Ravens in the second preseason game. 263 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Lounge. We're coming to you 264 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: from the Seat Geeks Studio. 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All right, so, Cliff, One of the 274 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: talking points coming out of the first preseason game was 275 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: Daniel Foulolele's particularly one bad rep where he gave up 276 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: a sack and ended up on the ground. Do the 277 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: Ravens have a right guard? Question now is you know, 278 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: does Ben Cleveland start to factor into that? In your opinion? 279 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: How does that first preseason game impact Daniel faull Le. 280 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 2: I think it's something to watch. I definitely wouldn't say 281 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 2: it's a problem, but it is something to watch. Obviously, 282 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: that was not Daniel's best effort. He, I feel, is 283 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 2: still a young player who's developing, and it's not like 284 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: an eight or nine year vet who you've seen. You've seen, 285 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: you know what the full package is. Daniels still growing 286 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 2: as a right guard, and yes, I mean I feel 287 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: like he needs to play with more consistency heading into 288 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: the season. That's something you want to see. If we 289 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 2: see that, then don't I don't think that, you know, 290 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 2: anything is going to change. So it's really up to Daniel. 291 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: I think that you know, he he rose the occasion 292 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 2: last year, won the job. He needs to show that 293 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: same type of you know, at tentatives and consistency. That's 294 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: what they want both as a unit overall and from him. 295 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens. But I think it's something 296 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 2: to keep an eye on. Yes, I would say that. 297 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that a tough preseason one tough 298 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: preseason outing is going to sour the Ravens on you know, 299 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: he was a full game, full season started last year. 300 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: He's been the guy throughout the whole offseason this year. 301 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: I don't think that like a bad rep that goes 302 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: makes the rounds on Twitter is changing the Ravens. Like 303 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: overall opinion of Daniel Folele, I agree with you. I 304 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: think like you got to you got to minimize those 305 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: kind of reps. That's the name of the game. Everybody's 306 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 1: gonna have them. You're gonna get beat, but you got 307 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: to minimize those. And I think for Daniel like that 308 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: that one just looks really bad too. It's not like 309 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: you just got beat and like it, you know, whatever happens, 310 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: like when you end up on your back as a 311 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: man that's as big as Daniel follolele and like not 312 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: moving your feet, well it can be it can look 313 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: like that. It's not good. And so he just needs 314 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: to work at minimizing those kind of reps. Because I 315 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: do think that he can be I think he can 316 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: be a really good player. I honestly do, and I 317 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: don't I'm not ready and I don't think Ravens coaches 318 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: are ready to say, you know what, we got to 319 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: make a change here. But to your point, like worth moditoring, also, 320 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: I think that he's got to continue to improve, all right, 321 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: What about the backup quarterback situation? Is tough tough day 322 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: for the Ravens passing the ball against the Colts forty 323 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: nine passing yards from Cooper Rush and Devin Leary. Is 324 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: there any concern for you kind of moving into this 325 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: about the backup quarterback situation or what not? 326 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 2: Really? I mean, Cooper Rush has a proven NFL player. 327 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: I think that well, I don't think he is coming 328 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:17,959 Speaker 2: into a new system. I feel that it's still his 329 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 2: comfort level. He could speak to his better than eye, 330 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 2: but maybe isn't one hundred percent as it will be 331 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 2: as he keeps getting more reps and obviously preseason games 332 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 2: they're showing very very little of the passing game. So 333 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 2: I think Cooper Rush, I'm not worried at all that 334 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 2: if something were to happen with Lamar that he's a 335 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 2: type of quarterback that can come in and win games 336 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 2: for He's already proven that in Dallas. Devin Leary younger player, 337 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 2: great arm strength, has thrown it into traffic during practice 338 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 2: since he's been here more often than coaches would like 339 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 2: to see, and you know saw you know, interception. That's 340 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 2: what he needs to eliminate. Yep. If he just if 341 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 2: Leary just stops, if he cuts down on his mistakes, 342 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: then obviously he'll improve. And he's got some other tools 343 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 2: that I could see him being a backup quarterback, if 344 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 2: not here, somewhere else. But yeah, the mistakes with him, 345 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 2: you know he needs sometimes and he may trust his 346 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 2: arm too much. He's got the gun to try and 347 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: squeeze things in there. But these guys are really good 348 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 2: and those windows close quickly. 349 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: So that's what T Martin when he was talking about 350 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: Devon Leary before the preseason game, was saying, like, that's 351 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 1: what he was really happy to see throughout training camp. 352 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: And I agree. Last year as a rookie at Leary 353 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: was getting picked off way too much. This year, we've 354 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: seen a lot less of that. Honestly in practice. He 355 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: I think he's done a much better job protecting the football. 356 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: But then when you try to force one in in 357 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: a preseason game, you're like, oh, man, like you know, 358 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: you just hope that you're not reverting, you know, to 359 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: that in a game situation. So you know, John Harball 360 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,479 Speaker 1: has been clear like he needs to play better than that. 361 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: Devin will the first one tell you just wasn't a 362 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: great performance. But he's another player that I think I'll 363 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: be watching in these preseason games. Of course, you know, 364 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: he the Ravens aren't gonna keep three quarterbacks on the 365 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: fifty three man roster anyway, It'll be a practice squad 366 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: spot for him. Really. More, I think I want to 367 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: see Cooper Rush play play well, you know, intercepted on 368 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: his first pass. It was really short, a really short 369 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: stint for him. He got sacked another time on the 370 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: folly a miss. Roger Rosegarden, by the way, also got 371 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: beat on that play. On that sack. It wasn't a 372 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: great ret for him either, just by the way, and 373 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: so u to me, especially in Dallas where he used 374 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: to play, it's more about the more important thing for 375 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: this team is that Cooper Rush play well, because they 376 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: quite you know, the Ravens invested, they invested in a 377 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: backup quarterback more this year than they have in recent years. 378 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: And with the expectation of like, Okay, you know we're 379 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: gonna we're we're banking on high quality backup play here, 380 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: and so I want to see Cooper kind of show that. Yeah, 381 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: he's ready for that. 382 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: Right, I mean, the Ravens are going for all the marbles, yep. 383 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 2: So if even Lamar's out for two three games, that 384 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 2: Cooper Rush performance could make the difference between you what 385 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 2: seed you on the playoffs, whether you win a division 386 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 2: or not. 387 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly make the play and yeah, which. 388 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 2: Which obviously leads to other things, improving or decreasing your 389 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 2: chance of the winning the Super Bowl. 390 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: To me, quite Frankly, it was like, all right, well, 391 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 1: you know, Josh Jahnson was getting another year older. Eventually, 392 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to make a move. And to me, 393 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: spending money, the money that they Ravens spent to get 394 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: Cooper Rush was an indication of like they felt like 395 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: they have the team and even if they even in 396 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: which they do right to win it all, and like 397 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: even if Lamar were to go down I hate even 398 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: knock on Wood that like, we we feel like we 399 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 1: could be good enough to still win it all, and 400 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: we want to make sure that the most important position 401 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: like that we're good enough there, you know what I mean. 402 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: So that was what that move told me. So Cooper 403 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: Rush has got to prove, like yeah, that that they're 404 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: right in making that big of an investment in backup quarterback. 405 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: Onto the better kind of stuff moving forward is this 406 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: young pass rush and Mike Green. There's been a lot 407 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: of chatter about the rookie pass rusher since the first 408 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: preseason game, and the film Don't Lie, Mike Green was 409 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: bringing it. He looked really good, and honestly, watching it live, 410 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: I was I was have my eyes on forty five 411 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: and I was telling other people around I said, watch 412 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: forty five. This is this is a show right now, 413 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: and this this pass rush looks this it looks really good. Right. 414 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 2: They've got obviously a lot of young players at that position. 415 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: And yeah, Mike Green, the relentlessness that he plays with 416 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 2: is to me what has impressed me the most so far. 417 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he's down and he's got great bands 418 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 2: and he's quick, but I'm in he plays through the 419 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 2: whistle every play. I mean he yeah, he has a 420 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 2: different type motor. So he played well. You know, des Isaac, 421 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 2: David Ajabo, A lot of guys showed up with Oway 422 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 2: and kylev Annoid getting the night off, it was their 423 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 2: chance to bring some noise and they did so. Yes, 424 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 2: I mean imagine if that continues, then you know, Van 425 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 2: Noyen always coming off statistically their best seasons, but the 426 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: low won't be on them. It'll be a group thing. 427 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 2: If you have four or five pass brothers and it 428 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 2: doesn't really matter which ones are in the game a lot, 429 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 2: then that's real trouble for the opposition. So I was 430 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 2: glad to see all those guys play well. I think 431 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 2: they'll continue to get a lot of time in the preseason. 432 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 2: It's just something that you want to continue to see 433 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 2: keep going. 434 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: Yeah to me, for Mike Green, you know, the effort 435 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: and all that stuff, I think is great. I will 436 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: one play he actually he almost he got put on 437 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: the ground if you pop back up quicker getting the 438 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: quarterback ended up scrambling out to his side and kind 439 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: of got past him. I think probably when he watched 440 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: the film he was like, I should have had better 441 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: effort on that way, to be honest. The thing that 442 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: flashed the most to me is I think this is 443 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: the most talented rookie pass rusher the Ravens have had 444 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: in a very long time. I'm saying since Terrell Suggs, 445 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: Peter bull Ware, those guys, the Ravens have drafted good 446 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: edge rushers who have developed into great players. Zidarius right, 447 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: I mean I think of Paul Krueger even you know, 448 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: eventually became that kind of guy pronoun with the whatever 449 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: like they Judon, you know, I mean Judon had like 450 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: a pretty good rookie year, but developed better, get developed 451 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: right and like oh way right, first round pick, like 452 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: he pretty solid rookie year, developed, kept getting better, like 453 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: they've developed, drafted and developed these guys. To me of 454 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: all those names I just meant, and I'm sure I'm 455 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: missing some guys. Mike Green's the most talented out of 456 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: all of those guys as a rookie coming in the 457 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: like right now, where he is the most polished, the moves, 458 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: the athleticism, I mean, and you're talking I always an 459 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: athletic dude, Mike Green. From a ben perspective, his ability 460 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: to drop his weight and bend that turn that corner 461 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: and bend is pretty special. I think as a rookie 462 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: coming in, he is the most talented guy since probably 463 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: twelve Suggs. And if you're talking pure moves and all that, 464 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: Suggs was a physical freak. I don't know. He bullied people. Mike, Yeah, 465 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: I don't know. 466 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 2: I don't know. 467 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: I think Mike's pretty talented. You're looking at me like 468 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: I'm crazy. I think this He's pretty darn talented. 469 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 2: When you talking Sugs now, I mean, yeah, they're different 470 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 2: type players, And. 471 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Sugs is like a bigger like he just different type. 472 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, but Sugs like Green has shown in a small 473 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 2: sample times Suggs when the game started, Yeah, things started 474 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 2: happening all the time. Suggs was an unusual player in 475 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 2: a lot of ways, sure, for his body so smart, right, yeah, 476 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 2: I mean yeah, that's kind of my face. I mean 477 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 2: sugs right now, you're talking real all right, So I'm not. 478 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,239 Speaker 1: Gonna put them above sugs. I'm not gonna put them 479 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: above sugs right now, I think I don't want to 480 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: get carried away. But outside of sugs and and Buoyar, 481 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: Boyar was pretty darn special too when he first came 482 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: into the league. I think Mike Green's right there from 483 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: what I see from a talent perspective immediately. And the 484 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: moves that was the other thing I thought from the game. 485 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: The assortment of different moves that he's using trying you know, 486 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: that is pretty rare I think for. 487 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: A rookie, right, And obviously the players is the credit, 488 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 2: but I think we give a shout out to Chuck 489 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 2: Smith too, sure, I mean he he really, to me, 490 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: has done a terrific job with all of the rays 491 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 2: and ray his pass rushers since he got here. Yep. 492 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: And well, when you talk about moves, that's one of 493 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 2: his things, like have some sing you should have a 494 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 2: signature move or two that you can go to that 495 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 2: people are gonna have problems with. And when you're working 496 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 2: with the guys down at the green who already came here. 497 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 2: To me, I agree with you that he's already coming 498 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 2: here in an NFL looks like with things a lot 499 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 2: of pass rushers don't have, yep, yep. 500 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: The other thing that I liked, just overall in stepping 501 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: back and looking at that first preseason game was Pro 502 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: Football Focus came out with their week one preseason rankings 503 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: of like how they're they compile all their grades and 504 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: compare them between teams. The Ravens were ranked first in tackling, 505 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: second in defense, fourth and run defense right like some 506 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: of those. I mean, that's the top of the heap 507 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: right there. I love first and tackling, Like that's what 508 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: I see from this defense is I'm honestly seeing a 509 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: defense playing with that kind of we talked about earlier, swagger, 510 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: run into the foot ball, hustle like, I just see 511 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: it from this defense, and we didn't have a lot 512 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: of the starters out there. 513 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 2: Well, the bar there has been said very high when 514 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 2: Marlons talking about the two thousand Ravens defense, that's the standard. 515 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 2: If that's true, then yes, you're supposed to be a 516 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 2: team that tackles well and moved and has four or 517 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 2: five guys flying to the ball. And John Harball's talked about, 518 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 2: you know, wanting to be one of the best teams, 519 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 2: the best team and getting bodies of the football so 520 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 2: even if you do miss a tackle, there's somebody right 521 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 2: behind you to clean things up. So yeah, I mean, 522 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: I agree that the Ravens defense on paper looks like 523 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 2: it can be special. It's just a matter of transferring 524 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 2: it to the field. 525 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: But that's that's kind of my point is, like I 526 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: think they are transferring it to the field. Now we're 527 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: in the preseason. We haven't kicked off a regular season game, 528 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: so like, but but we're here to evaluate how it 529 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: looks in training camping in the preseason, and I'm here, 530 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: it looks really good. And like the stats, stats and 531 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: air quotes, these rankings, they're showing it, like, Yeah, it 532 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: looked great on paper before training camp started, and I 533 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: think we all said, like, this defense can be really good, 534 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: and off the paper it's looking really good. Like I 535 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: think it's I think it's coming together. I think the 536 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: vision for the Ravens defense and what they want to 537 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: see is coming together. 538 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 2: I agree with that. I think definitely too. The run 539 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 2: defense is going to be a key that is. I mean, 540 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 2: if they. 541 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: Saw in the joint practice it kind of got gashed 542 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: a little. 543 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 2: Bit of Yeah, and Jonathan Taylor is the heck of 544 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 2: a back. Yeah, and to me, he kind of took 545 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 2: advantage of their pursuit. He's patient enough and confident enough 546 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 2: that he can wait for them to react, then he 547 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 2: goes the other way. Matda Bigey talked about that. So 548 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 2: when you're facing those type of backs, that's when you 549 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 2: really see how good are we against the run. So 550 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 2: if that comes together and the Raves are consistently putting 551 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 2: teams in second and nine, you know, third they eat, 552 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 2: they're gonna. 553 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: Eat right with this pass rush, I agree. 554 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 2: So, but I do think the run defense, which at 555 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 2: times wasn't what the Ravens wanted last year. 556 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: Well it was number one in the league, it was, 557 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: but maybe yeah yeah, yeah. 558 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well it's gonna be one double one. Yeah sure 559 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 2: if you just look at the numbers. But even the 560 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 2: Buffalo playoff game, I don't think they shut them down. 561 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was not great in that game. 562 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's again, in those type situations, that's when 563 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 2: you want it to be yep, number one that I 564 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 2: can make the difference between you winning Super Bowl, moving 565 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 2: on the playoffs. 566 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: Or not completely agree. Well, another fun week of training 567 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: camp ahead, capped by a preseason trip to Dallas on 568 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: Saturday night. 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