1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Our colleague Noel is on an adventure. 6 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our 7 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: super producer Alexis code named dot Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, 8 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: you are you. You are here, and that makes this 9 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to know. It's the 10 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: first full week of the year. As you are hearing this, congratulations, 11 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: it is officially twenty one. Many of us in the 12 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: audience today are are probably running some year in bets, 13 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: you know, at twenty Predicting how another year will go 14 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: is a is a tricky, tricky thing, and we've already 15 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: been inundated with bizarre stories. Because just because you know, Matt, 16 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: as you and I were talking about in a previous segment, 17 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: just because there's an arbitrary change and some digits on 18 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: a calendar, it doesn't mean that the stories of stopped 19 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: magically on December thirty one, right, no, no, no, no, no, No. 20 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: Stories occurred over the holiday break big, big ones, and 21 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about one particular story that happened 22 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 1: on Christmas Day and another that's going to hinder early 23 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: celebrations in two thousand one, I think, yeah, yeah, one 24 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: of the many things that will hinder celebrations. So there's 25 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: something that you and I have been talking about off 26 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: air for a number of days now, sending each other updates. 27 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: It's about a terrible event that happened in my hometown 28 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: over the course of the Christmas holiday for people who 29 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: celebrate it. Yeah, it happened on Christmas Day, the morning 30 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: of Christmas Day. It's a story that we immediately shared 31 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: to one another, and we're talking about possibilities of what happened, 32 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: why did it happen, because little information was known on 33 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: Christmas Day, the day that occurred. Um, we'll just read 34 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: it to you. This story came to us from CNN, 35 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: which was the first place I read about it at 36 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: seven round seven o'clock in the morning. This is what 37 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 1: it reads, Possible human remains found near Nashville explosion site. 38 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: Police chief says it did not read as that on 39 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: Christmas Day. That title has been updated. Was essentially explosion 40 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: rocks downtown Nashville, Tennessee. UM and just to go through 41 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: the bullet points here, on Christmas morning in downtown Nashville, 42 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: on this one street, there was a large RV think 43 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: a white camper van type vehicle, fairly large. It was 44 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: parked on the street. And this area there are a 45 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: lot of businesses. There are also a lot of residents 46 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: who live in the buildings that kind of line this street. 47 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: And people were awoken to what they thought were gunshots. 48 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: Then they began hearing a woman's voice emanating from somewhere 49 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: on the street saying that there was a bomb on 50 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: in the vehicle and that it was going to explode 51 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: in fifteen minutes. And oh, it was telling people to evacuate. 52 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: It was telling people to leave the buildings of the 53 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: surrounding area, which, first of all, a terrifying thing to 54 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: wake up to. It's not Santa coming down your chimney. 55 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: You know, you gotta imagine there are some families waking 56 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: up to do the traditional thing of going to wherever 57 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: the family gathers, where perhaps there's a tree, looking at 58 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: the presence underneath the tree. If they are so lucky 59 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: to have that tradition and to be able to continue 60 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: on in pretty rough year to try and get continue that. 61 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: You have to imagine that this would be just shocking 62 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: something to hear. Some people weren't taking it very seriously. 63 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: Others were taking it very seriously. The local police officers 64 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: there in Nashville responded. They began evacuating people themselves. There 65 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: were some at least one story of a landowner, somebody 66 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: who owned one of the buildings who actually had staff 67 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: and himself go down and knock on individual doors. It 68 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: was a hostile where he was like getting people out 69 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: of the hostel. This countdown within this RV continued until 70 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: there was a large police force and they had to 71 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: take it seriously. So everyone backed off. They evacuated everyone 72 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: that they could, and this this RV exploded, exploded it. 73 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: It damaged a ton of buildings. I think forty buildings 74 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: in total that were damaged in this explosion. Sat okay, 75 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: But again, as you said, Matt, this is uh continually 76 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,239 Speaker 1: being updated, And I do want to give a shout 77 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: out to the the great work so far of the 78 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: Nashville p D, particularly Police Chief John Drake. He's one 79 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: of the people who was sending the officers in to 80 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: do that door to door, evacuation while that messages is playing. 81 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: If you can hear this message evacuate now, if you 82 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: hear this message evacuate now, believe the bomb squad was 83 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: actually on the way right when the explosion occurred. Correct 84 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: that that is exactly what occurred and what what everyone 85 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: heard right towards the end there before the bomb exploded 86 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: was a recording of Petulia Clark's Downtown. And you may 87 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: not recognize that song when you just hear me say it, 88 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: but just listen to uh downtown do you do? You 89 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: get it? That? That's what was playing. Interesting, like I 90 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: know you it fit? But um, that song was playing 91 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: right at the end before the explosion occurred. Um. Immediately 92 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: in the aftermath, after the fires were put out, because 93 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: there were there were extensive fires in a lot of 94 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: the buildings, windows were blown out, there were numerous injuries 95 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: of people who were hit by glass and just other 96 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: injuries due to that explosion. Thankfully, there were no casualties 97 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: outside of one person who is believed to have been 98 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: in the RV when it exploded, and that was only 99 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: initially discovered because there were what appeared to be human 100 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: tissue or remains kind of unfortunately, strown about the area 101 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: after the explosion. Now, at this point, you can go 102 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: to any news outlet and read about this explosion. It 103 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: became big news. Um looking at Chicago Tribune, New York Times, CNN, 104 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: really anywhere you can find information about this. There's been 105 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: a lot of developments. There is one person who is 106 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: believed to have perpetrated this attack. I suppose I was 107 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: having a discussion with my wife right before we went 108 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: on air here about whether or not this would be 109 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: considered domestic terrorism a A an act of domestic terrorism. 110 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: I want to put this out there, and I'd love 111 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: to know what you think, Ben, as well as you 112 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: listening out there. It feels like it's writing a line 113 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: between what would be considered an act of domestic terrorism 114 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: and something else. And I only say that because of 115 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: this warning system that was on there. Um. It feels 116 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: as though, while I cannot prove this, and uh, you know, 117 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: authorities are attempting to prove whatever the motive was behind 118 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: this whole thing, it feels like the motive was not 119 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: to hurt anyone, or at least any humans. It feels 120 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: that way because it was warning. Whoever set it up 121 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: set it up to warn surrounding people in the area 122 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: to get away. It feels as though the goal was 123 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: to destroy buildings, I suppose, or infrastructure or for some 124 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: other means outside of causing direct harm to others. It 125 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: it feels that way to me, And I don't know 126 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: if that is what would differentiate this between an act 127 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: of domestic terror and an act of I don't know, 128 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: some kind of anti government violence, And what's the difference, right? 129 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: I know it's a very philosophical thing to think about 130 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: immediately here in the show, but I just wonder what 131 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: you would think, Ben. Yeah, so let me step back 132 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: a couple couple steps and then get to your art 133 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: question there. Okay, So, so the everything that you just said, 134 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: Matt about the circumstances regarding the explosion are correct, and 135 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: we can get we can explore information about the kind 136 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: of explosion, right that that occurred, because not all explosions 137 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: are created equally. Uh to your question, however, about domestic terrorism, 138 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: it's defined in the most simple terms as committing terrorist 139 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: acts in one's own country against one's fellow citizens. Is 140 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: this against citizens? Is this against property? Is this vendetta motivated? 141 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: You know? Right now? We don't we don't know. I'm 142 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: sure I'm not the only person who immediately thought of 143 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: the tactics of the Weather Underground when I heard of 144 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: the the initial explosion those early early hours of Christmas Day. Uh. 145 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: Weather Underground is considered a radical left militant organization or 146 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: domestic terrorist group, and they did in several cases they 147 00:09:55,520 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: used some of the same tactics that this person. I 148 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: don't think we've said their name on air yet, have 149 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: we met. We have not said their name because this person, 150 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: this the person is currently suspected person of interest. Yeah, yeah, 151 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: uh and primarily because of he is linked directly to 152 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: the r V that exploded as well as I mean, 153 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: there's currently DNA testing being done on the tissue that 154 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: was found at the scene and also by his family 155 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: on his family members to try and link it. Yeah. 156 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: And I think the initial tip off was not not 157 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: just the human remains in the r V, but a 158 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: hat and a pair of gloves with the tip that 159 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: allowed allowed some DNA matching here. So is this domestic terrorism? 160 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: The tricky part here, What I'm picking up what you're 161 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: saying with the philosophical nature of it is that terrorism 162 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: depends on ideology and motivation to a large degree. So 163 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: if you are a mentally stable person and you feel 164 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: you have been wronged by a specific other person or institution, 165 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: like you got fired from your job, or you were 166 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: spurned by a would be lover, etcetera, and then you 167 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: commit a suicide attack to harm that person, to teach 168 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: that person that institutional lesson. Is that domestic terrorism by 169 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 1: the most simple definition, Yes, because you are a citizen 170 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: of a country, you are attacking fellow citizens. But there's 171 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: not a larger motivation. There's not like that you don't 172 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: feel this is a a divine mandate, or you're not 173 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: trying to tip the socio political scales. You just want 174 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: to get even with that person that you feel is 175 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: wronged you. So if that's the case, I would say 176 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: right now the media is being very careful with how 177 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: they've phrased this stuff. Uh. And it's no secret that 178 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: the US media has a very real problem with transparency 179 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: and honesty when it comes to domestic attacks. Right militant 180 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 1: separatist groups storming Michigan. I know that that's something that 181 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: we've all heard about. We haven't talked much about on air. 182 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: Those are for some reason, the media is reticent often 183 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: to call those acts of terrorism. So it's natural that 184 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: the public would accuse the mainstream media of purposely shine 185 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: away from the label terrorism here. But also there is 186 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: no manifesto, yeah, exactly. There is no statement that says 187 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: I am bringing glory to some religion where I'm bringing 188 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: attention to some great injustice by blowing myself up in 189 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: this RV or seeming to there's there's no there's no 190 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: moral to the tail or to the to this heinous act, 191 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: so at least not that we know of. So with that, 192 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: if we find something like that, and if this is 193 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: a suicide attack, the odds of there being something like 194 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: that or pretty high. If we find it, that can 195 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: change the conversation. But right now, depending on how uh 196 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: sophisticated you want to get with your definition of terrorism, 197 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: it's missing some key pieces of that definition. I would 198 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: tend to agree, and I think that it makes for 199 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: an interesting discussion, at least as we're being illuminated to 200 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: all of the facts. The one of the things we 201 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: can analyze, though, is where the RV was parked when 202 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: it was exploded, because it could have been parked anywhere 203 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 1: it was drivable up until early that morning. The police 204 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: weren't called until around five thirty in the morning, I 205 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: believe that Central time, I think in Nashville. UM. And 206 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 1: they when they arrived, they're responding to shots called. Remember 207 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: we told you a lot of the residents woke up 208 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: to what they thought were shots being fired. Um. And 209 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: they found the RV parked at one sixty six second 210 00:13:54,920 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: Avenue North that is in downtown Nashville, Tennessee. And what's 211 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: interesting when you're thinking about the target of this location, 212 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: there was a place called the Melting Pot. There are 213 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: a bunch of eateries. There was a Hooters right up 214 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: the street from where it was. Kings is there too, 215 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: bb Kings was there? Um. But the other interesting thing 216 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: was an a T and T transmission building, a switching 217 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: what do they call that, No, not switching maybe a 218 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: switching station. I can't remember the actual name. The one 219 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: that weird building in New York City that we analyzed 220 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: with no windows. It's just in the middle of Manhattan. 221 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: Nobody thinks it's weird. And yes, if you like us 222 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: linger too long, even across the street, then security will 223 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: come out and give you the stink eye. Yeah. Yeah, 224 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: those buildings are everywhere, But this was this building was 225 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: there immediately where there where the RV was parked, and 226 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: there was extensive damage caused to that building, and internet 227 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: service was disrupted there within Nashville and in the surrounding areas. 228 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: The nine one call service was disrupted in the immediate 229 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: area and surrounding areas. It caused a lot of damage 230 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: to that A T and T infrastructure when this bomb exploded. 231 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: And you know, if you're thinking about motives, perhaps that 232 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: could have been it. There could have been some kind 233 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: of vendetta against a T and T, or maybe it 234 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: was just a way to cause a lot of damage 235 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: to something. Again this is me projecting, but cause a 236 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: lot of damage to the system or some system of 237 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: sort without causing a lot of human casualties. Again, like 238 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: I'm abscribing this to this situation to whoever carried this 239 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: attack out because of that warning system, and only because 240 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: of that warning system. Will pause to pick up the 241 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: story of the Nashville explosion once more after a word 242 00:15:51,840 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we're back talking about the Nashville 243 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: bombing that occurred on Christmas. Yeah, well, let's you know, 244 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: let's unbag the badgery here a little bit because we 245 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: see some possibilities, and I know a lot of our 246 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: fellow listeners are already thinking of these right. There's been 247 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: many people have been reaching out to us on on Facebook, 248 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: on Twitter, and Instagram as individuals. You know, I've been 249 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: receiving a lot of news about this from from people 250 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: who don't even know about the show, just my friends 251 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: who live in Nashville. And there is a real fog 252 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: of war and uncertainty here. So that's why Matt, you 253 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: and I are being very very careful to say these 254 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: things are alleged their speculation. We want to make sure 255 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: that we're not telling you something is absolutely true unless 256 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: we know it is. First thing you thought about many 257 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: of us listening once you learn about the A T 258 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: and T switching station and the fact that the infrastructure 259 00:16:55,080 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: was disrupted, is was this a M was is a 260 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: five G motivated attack similar to the multiple attacks on 261 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 1: different communications infrastructures in Europe right in the US and Canada. 262 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: That's that's a very I'm going to say that's possible, 263 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: just because we don't have anything that disproves it. Um 264 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: nottt of course, I I think we both know what 265 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: you what I don't want to say what you wanted 266 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: to be. But I know what you know the scenario 267 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: in your head is well, I'll tell you what I 268 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: thought when I initially was reading about this, and uh, 269 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: this is a fictional scenario in Matt Frederick's head. Everyone listening, 270 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: This is not real. This is just what played out 271 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: in my mind. Have an extensive note on my phone 272 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: about this. To me, the way the story was reading, 273 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: I thought this was some kind of intentional act to 274 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: knock out the system, and then there was going to 275 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: be a series of or one large maybe bank heist 276 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: or some other kind of robbery or electronic transfer of 277 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: funds that this explosion was meant to cover one because 278 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: it was on Christmas Day, a day when even you know, 279 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: the law enforcement is strained because a lot of the 280 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: officers are hopefully celebrating with their family and you've got, 281 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: you know, members of law enforcement who have to be there. 282 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: But it would be a I I think maybe I'm 283 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: completely wrong. Maybe the Nashville authorities could correct me, but 284 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: it seems like you would have fewer officers on the 285 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: ground that day, and if you know, you would certainly 286 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: have fewer businesses open, many many businesses here in the 287 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: United States and across the world closed on Christmas Day, 288 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: even if they are meant to be open. And to me, 289 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: this was like either a distraction so that activity could 290 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: occur maybe on the other side of the river somewhere 291 00:18:55,240 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: in Nashville, or you know, maybe in a neighboring state, 292 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: even where the nine one one systems would be affected, 293 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: like an inside job or something where someone was aware 294 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: that if this location was targeted, then this, you know, 295 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: X would occur. That's at least what was playing out 296 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: in my mind. It doesn't mean that was true at all, 297 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,719 Speaker 1: and especially I my thinking changed once I found out 298 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: that there was human remains, so that somebody was in 299 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: the vehicle when it exploded. Another possibility, uh, that one 300 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: I originally thought of, is you have to look for 301 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: the boring stuff, right, we have to look for the 302 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: boring stuff. We have to look for the hard quantitative 303 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: motivations if such exists, if there's not something philosophical. So 304 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: one big possibility would have been insurance fraud. Think about it. 305 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: This was also this is what I was thinking before 306 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: they found the remains. Uh. Why insurance fraud? Well, a 307 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: lot of those businesses are struggling in in a very 308 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: real way. The pandemic is an existential threat. So if 309 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: you have let's say ten or twelve or however, many 310 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: business owners get together and say, you know, we're all hurting. 311 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: What if this RV blows up and we can then 312 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: legally insurance has to pay us and they can't put 313 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: the finger on any one person because we'll all just 314 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: we'll all just conspire to keep it secret. That has 315 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: too many moving parts. But you know, uh, that idea 316 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: went back to the drawing board in my mind when 317 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: we learned about the remains. Matt, I think at this 318 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: point to continue the conversation, we're gonna have to say 319 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: the guy's name on air. Oh, then you are correct. 320 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and name the alleged suspect here, the 321 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: person of interest, the man who you know was allegedly 322 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: inside the r V and exploded. His name was Anthony 323 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: Quinn Warner. He was sixty three years old, and we 324 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: know some interesting things of out him been. You want 325 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: to go through a couple of those those things, just 326 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: that we know about his person that we can. We've 327 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: got some statements from neighbors and people who knew him, 328 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: so we know that Warner was a longtime resident of Nashville. 329 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: He's sixty three at the time of this event. Uh. 330 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: He had held several I T jobs over the course 331 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: of his career. He had deep experience with electronics, with 332 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: alarm systems. He had been working as an independent technician 333 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: with a real estate firm called Frederick and Clark. That 334 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: adds a piece to the speculation regarding a T and 335 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 1: T infrastructure. That also adds, as much as I hate 336 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: to say it, that has a possible piece to the 337 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: five G thing. Again, neither of these are proven at 338 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: this point, but one of the biggest things we found 339 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: about him so far is that he knew his way 340 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: around the electronic block right. Yeah, it's true. And actually 341 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: there was a suburban home that was searched in connection 342 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: to the RV, in connection to Anthony Quinn Warner, where 343 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: they believe they found some materials that could have been 344 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: used to create a bomb or series of bombs. UM, 345 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: I want to give you a message here from a 346 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: person named Rick Laude l a U d E who 347 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: was a neighbor of Anthony Warner, and he says that, UM, 348 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: just standing outside by the mailbox, you know, a little 349 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,479 Speaker 1: conversation with a neighbor, you've you've likely done this before. 350 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: Laud was talking to Warner and Load just asked something 351 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: kind of simple like, Hey, Santa gonna bring you anything 352 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: good for Christmas? And the man the suspect here said, 353 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: oh yeah, Nashville in the world is never going to 354 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: forget me? Is what this? That's what this neighbor is 355 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: saying or recalling. Um, you know, if true, and if 356 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,959 Speaker 1: recalled correctly, then that feels like a statement in that 357 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: would lead someone to believe this guy was going to 358 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: kill himself or at least carry out an act that 359 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,239 Speaker 1: would be in the news. He also had told some 360 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: folks when asked what he was going to do over 361 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: the holiday break, he told some folks he was just 362 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: going to go in the woods with his dog, and 363 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: he was he was a dog guy, had a lot 364 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: of dogs, but apparently they had all passed by that point, 365 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: So the dog he was talking about, it's a small 366 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: thing to worry about. But for all the fellow dog 367 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 1: lovers in the audience, we don't think he took any 368 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: pooches with him. Uh. He also he also did a 369 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: lot of things that are in retrospect indicative of someone 370 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: planning to end their lives. He transferred ownership of his 371 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: home to a person in Los Angeles. He told his 372 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: business clients that he would no longer be working when 373 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: he gave this home away. He literally gave it away 374 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: zero dollars. That's the price transferred ownership. Didn't sell it. 375 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: Just what I'm done with this. It's an interesting thing. 376 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: November so about a month before this happens, exactly, and 377 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: he had also just given away a vehicle to somebody. Again, 378 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 1: he just gave it to somebody, and he told that 379 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: person allegedly that he had been diagnosed with cancer. Um 380 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,959 Speaker 1: if true, that could be a reason why this sounds 381 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: oh god, I don't even say. That could be a 382 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: reason why. Maybe Anthony, if it was him in that 383 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 1: RV and he was the person who carried it out, 384 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: a reason for him to not want to continue and 385 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: would explain why he was giving all these things away. Conversely, though, 386 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: it could be that he knew he was going to 387 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: carry this out, He'd been planning it for a long time, 388 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: and the story about cancer was just an excuse to 389 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: make somebody, you know, take a vehicle and go away 390 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: and just believe that so that he could do what 391 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: he wanted to do, yeah, but he had no you know. 392 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: Also the neighbor, it's interesting, the neighbor, uh, who was 393 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: a truck driver a little bit younger than owners, says 394 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: that the guy would never seem to have any closely 395 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: held or radical ideologies or believes he didn't even have 396 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: uh political signs in his yard or anything like that. 397 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: He was low key to the point of um, low 398 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: key to the point of being somewhat mysterious, you know, 399 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: as one of those neighbors you never see come and go. 400 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: He doesn't seem to have a ton of friends kind 401 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: of person. But again, this is all based off what 402 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: has been reported from the neighbors, and it's doubtless that 403 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: the that local law enforcement has more information that they are, 404 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: you know, at this point, not solid enough on to 405 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: bring to the public. There is for investigation purposes, right 406 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: there is also so the DNA is confirmed, the then 407 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: the vehicle identification number, the RV matches shows that Warner 408 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: owns it. Uh. The type of explosive I think is 409 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: still under investigation. But at this point, yeah, one of 410 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: the first things you want to make sure you're aware 411 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: of is whether there are any co conspirators, right so 412 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: they don't want to put too many details out there 413 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: until there's certain the guy acted alone. The FBI is 414 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: UM has officially stated that is the case, but it 415 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: leaves it still leaves us with a lot of questions, 416 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: what what is the motivation? It clearly was not to 417 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 1: hurt other people. I mean, it certainly feels that way. 418 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: That warning. You can go online and find a video 419 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: a couple of videos I believe, where it plays that audio. 420 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: You can hear the female recorded voice giving the warning. 421 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: I have not seen any videos online that actually have 422 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: that song Downtown playing right before the explosion. You can 423 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: see some videos of I think there's one on Twitter 424 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 1: that's circulating right now of police officer walking about a 425 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: block away from the RV just before it explodes. But 426 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 1: it does seem as though that that system that you 427 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: know included the bomb was meant to get people out, 428 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: so it didn't kill people other than the document of 429 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: the r V, I guess, yeah. Yeah. And and look, 430 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: just because there weren't multiple people they're multiple fatalities, doesn't 431 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 1: mean something is not an active domestic terrorism, you know. Uh, 432 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: an active domestic terrorism can be a non lethal attack 433 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: on non human things. So as long as it makes 434 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: it strikes fear and the hearts of people living in 435 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: that area right right, or brings publicity to an ideology 436 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: or an aim. So right now, what we're looking at 437 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: is a black box of motive. We do not know 438 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: what inspired Warner. We have share the speculation the potential 439 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: motives that existed at the time, but one thing is clear. 440 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: He was planning to do this. He put thought into it. 441 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: He had a relatively sophisticated UH system for an independent 442 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: as you might you know, it's cold way to say it, 443 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: but you know, as someone who's not part of a 444 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: larger network, if indeed he is not. One last thing 445 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: I just thought about, Ben the it occurred in the 446 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: morning in a district filled with bars, So if it 447 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: occurred at night, casualties would have been much higher, just 448 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: because of the chaos and confusion that would have occurred. 449 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: There's gonna be lots of music playing inside, you know, 450 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: in these bars, where maybe it would drown out the 451 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: sounds that were happening on the street, where people wouldn't 452 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: be warned um intoxicated people, you know, maybe getting too close. 453 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: The timing is also leading me to you, like, casualties 454 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: are not the priority. Yeah, yeah, totally, you're right. There 455 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: was a lot of deliberation put into the location, put 456 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: into the planning of this, so we know that hurting 457 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: other people were killing other people was not the point, 458 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: and certain steps were taken, deliberate steps were taken to 459 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: minimize the possibility of hurting someone else. And of course, 460 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: the three people who are on record as being injured 461 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: are in recovery. They're not These are not life threatening injuries. 462 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: One thing that we're all waiting to learn, and something 463 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: will come out in the coming day, surely, is the 464 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: type of explosives, right How was the bomb constructed? How 465 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: was was this something he made at home? Was this? 466 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: You know, like military explosives tend to have darker smoke 467 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: and the more fuel rich commercial explosives have lighter smoke. 468 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: And if you get some bomb experts in there, like 469 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: the bomb Squa that was on the way, then they 470 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: will be able to tell pretty quickly what was used 471 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: and how it was constructed. One thing that we can 472 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: say baffles the authorities right now, It's just that it's 473 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: unusual if Warner built the bomb himself, it's unusual for 474 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: an independent to do that. On this level of explosion, 475 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: because it's definitely a skill. People get trained for it, 476 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: for sure. Well, Ben, I think it's safe to say 477 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: we will continue following this story as it develops, and 478 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: you know, maybe we'll have an update on one of 479 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: these episodes as soon as we know more. But maybe 480 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: this is the end of the story and we won't 481 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: hear anything else. Who knows. Will certainly keep our ears 482 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: and eyes peeled for it, though, And for now, what 483 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: do you say we take a break and come back 484 00:30:49,560 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: with some more strange news. We have returned was a dark, disturbing, 485 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: but necessary segments, so we spent some extra time on that. 486 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: That's something we could do in these episodes, which is great. 487 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: We're gonna go to something a little gross, okay, okay. 488 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: It's something that evolves burning, painful sensations, especially when you're 489 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: when you're urinating, maybe a greater frequency or urgency. If urinating, 490 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of a pus like discharge, sometimes 491 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: called a drip. Why not, that's right, that's right, conspiracy realist, 492 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: fellow geniuses and lunatics. This segment is about Gottaria. Good lord, 493 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: good lord. You like our selling in as a positive thing, yes, gottoria, 494 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: also known as the clap. It's funny because the clap 495 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: is the slang term for this std that comes from 496 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: a thirteen century French word clap poor, which means rabbit 497 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: hutch how because rabbits are notoriously amorous, right, yeah, for sure, Um, 498 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: just h This is a post introduction to the segment. 499 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: Warning for any children or adults with their kids, right right, yes, Uh, 500 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: this is a serious thing and it's something that we 501 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: caught it in the news and we wanted to share this. 502 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: Uh So this is fascinating to us because a number 503 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: of years ago, Um, Matt, you and I looked into 504 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: the terrifying world of super diseases, the years and years 505 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: before COVID, I think even before the earlier ones that 506 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: everybody forgets about, like mirrors and so on. Um, we 507 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: were we were just looking at the math and we 508 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: were looking at the expert guestimations, and it was clear 509 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: it was a disease on the way. Uh. Now, it 510 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: seems that we were unfortunately, like many other people, were 511 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: unfortunately correct to a degree about a global pandemic. But we, 512 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: like many other people, were not fully cognizant of the 513 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: ripple effects the knock on effects. One of the results 514 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: of the coronavirus pandemic is the creation of newer or 515 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: more evolved diseases and infections, and that's how we got 516 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: two super gone or rhea. Uh this what was it 517 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: we said in the original super super disease stuff? The 518 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: problem was the use, the over use and over prescription 519 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: of antibiotics. Is that correct? Correct? That is the major issue, 520 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: the over prescription of antibiotics to a human patient, as 521 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: well as the end user taking antibiotics incorrectly, like spreading 522 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: a dosage out for too long and not taking two 523 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: pills instead of one pill, or you know, just doing 524 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: it slightly incorrectly to where the micro organisms inside that 525 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,720 Speaker 1: patient then can or have the potential to grow stronger 526 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: and gain some kind of immunity to that treatment. But 527 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: one of the biggest things been that we discussed was 528 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: livestock and antibiotics that are pumped into everything from chickens 529 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 1: to cows to pigs to prevent that those livestock from 530 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: getting sick or to what what was it. They're living 531 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: in terrible conditions already, so the antibiotics are just a 532 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: way to make sure some of the meat is still good. 533 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: It was like a disgusting it's it's terrified. And I 534 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: think if you listen back to whatever we called it, 535 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: the super bug or something in that nature, you can 536 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: you can see you know we're safe. We're not trying 537 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: to be alarm us, but it's true. Hold On, guys, 538 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: you might be saying to yourself, I mean, doc might 539 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: be saying this off, Mike. Uh. Hold on, someone is saying, doubtlessly, 540 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: I am not necessarily a medical expert, but I know 541 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: that coronavirus is a virus. Antibiotics don't work on viruses. 542 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: What's going on, Yeah, that's for bacteria. Brouh. So here's 543 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: the deal. Doctors, nurses, medical staff at ic use and 544 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: at these overwhelmed hospitals are using a lot of antibiotics, 545 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 1: not because of coronavirus, but because there's so much bacteria, 546 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: so many other infections floating around the wards now, and 547 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: some of it is becoming increasingly resistant to the typical treatments. 548 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: So we're adding this problem onto the existing problem of 549 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: over prescription right of the dangers in the livestock industry. 550 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 1: But now the bill is coming do uh do also 551 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: want to shout out that people to the people who 552 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,760 Speaker 1: said super gonarrhea was the thing before COVID. Yes, maybe, 553 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,399 Speaker 1: but not as much of a thing. The World Health 554 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 1: Organization has known about the threat of something like this 555 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: for a long long time, and they have as always 556 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: they've been kind of waving the red flags and shouting 557 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: at the horizon, watch out for the rise of the superbugs. Uh, 558 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,760 Speaker 1: you know, think about this. So the clap is curable, 559 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: the clap is treatable. Not everything is. Not every std 560 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 1: is what happens when there are more dangerous diseases or 561 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: diseases with h longer, more delatorious dangerous effects. What happens 562 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: when they just stop listening to antibiotics? Where does that 563 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: leave us in a terrible, terrible place. You mentioned that 564 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: humans have known about these superbugs for a long time. Again, 565 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,720 Speaker 1: we talked about it. God, I don't know twenty something 566 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: like that. My just as a anecdote here, my grandfather 567 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 1: passed away in not because he fell and broke his 568 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: hip and had to get a replacement, but because after 569 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,399 Speaker 1: the successful surgery, while he was in a hospital bed, 570 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: he contracted a superbug And it was just something that 571 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 1: was again, like you said, floating around in the ward 572 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: while he was there, he caught it while he was 573 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 1: at the hospital and he died um because of it. Again, 574 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: not trying to scare anyone, but this is a real 575 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: possibility that the recovery from a surgery or from some 576 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: injury being forced to be in a hospital or some 577 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 1: other medical facility. It can be really dangerous because these 578 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: these things are becoming so resistant. And it is not 579 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: it's not existential, it is very much real, right, Well, 580 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: think about um, think about pneumonia. A lot of people 581 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: will contracted pneumonia as a result of COVID. You know, 582 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: when this is not a ding on the doctors who 583 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: are working around the clock and doing the very best, 584 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: often without the supporter infrastructure that they should have. Several 585 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: things caused pneumonia, bacteria, viruses, fungi so on. So you 586 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: would want to also have to treat that pneumonia while 587 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: you have the person there, right, because we want to 588 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 1: keep them alive. And I think was Back in twenties seventeen, 589 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: Bruce Wily wrote a piece for Forbes He's a He's 590 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: a writer at Forbes, where he noticed that the w 591 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:41,439 Speaker 1: h O World Health Organization listed strains of gnarrhea as 592 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: the world's most dangerous potential superbugs. The scary thing about 593 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: this is hearing antibiotics can't help your infection for something 594 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: like this is a lot like and these are these 595 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: are Lee's words, credit where it's due. He says, it's 596 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: a lot like saying no one can fly the airplane 597 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: or the whole of the cruise ship you're on is 598 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: made out of pickles. Because there's you know, it's a 599 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: throw up your hands situation. What can we do when 600 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: the established treatments don't work? Uh? Float? I mean sometimes, yeah, 601 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 1: floats sometimes. So the danger here is twofold. I would say, first, yes, 602 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 1: it is true that these superbugs do exist. They are 603 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: on the way, and it's not a good thing for 604 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 1: people in general and for a lot of other animals 605 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: that are capable of carrying these infections. However, this stuff 606 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: was around before it started recently trending on Twitter. People 607 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: that confirmed cases of super gnarrhea in two thousand and eighteen, 608 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: and this uncurable clap are very difficult to cure. Clap 609 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,280 Speaker 1: has already made the rounds in different parts of the world. 610 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: But now we're a different situation. Medical resources are strained 611 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: as they have not been at any time in most 612 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 1: people's lifetimes, right. Uh, the services and support structure that 613 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: would help people who had contracted some kind of s 614 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:20,320 Speaker 1: t I or STD, those services are past the breaking 615 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 1: point because the main thing we're focusing on is trying 616 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:29,879 Speaker 1: to combat the spread of COVID and to also not 617 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,439 Speaker 1: let the hundreds of thousands of people who were going 618 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: to the hospital anyway for non COVID related conditions. We 619 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: want to keep them alive and healthy too. Like, you 620 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: don't want to go into get let's say you're going 621 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,240 Speaker 1: in to get a a surgery something, an elbow surgery. 622 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: You don't want to go out of there with a 623 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: better elbow and a case of COVID. No, not at all, 624 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: not at all in it. It's just a it's a 625 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: scary that's a scary possibility, the most mundane thing that 626 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: you need to go to a hospital for. And then 627 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 1: other superbugs just hanging out in there because everybody needs help, 628 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: no matter who you are. God, that's just Uh, what 629 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,759 Speaker 1: do we do in the future, Ben, what do we 630 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 1: do in the future? Well, here's the thing about the 631 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: immediate future. Uh, my friend, since thankfully one of us 632 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: you were smart enough to put a disclaimer that this 633 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,359 Speaker 1: is not the kid friendly segment of the show. Week 634 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 1: we can speak frankly, Uh, people are going to be 635 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 1: going at it like rabbits post pandemic, post lockdown. I mean, look, folks, 636 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 1: I if you've been to a grocery store recently, you 637 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: not as there's a weird energy in the air that's like, 638 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 1: that's that well that because people are seeing other people 639 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: in person maybe for the only time that week, you know, 640 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: unless they have a job where they run into other 641 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: people in person. So I predict you know, we talked 642 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 1: about this last week, the quarantines, you know, as as 643 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 1: the future will all them, there's gonna be a noticeable 644 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: I would say population bump from people, um, people who 645 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,880 Speaker 1: are stuck at home and had children during the lockdown. 646 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: But then when we're post lockdown, we're gonna have a 647 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: lot of people who are like single and ready to 648 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:19,239 Speaker 1: mingle uh and and hopefully staying safe while they do so. 649 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 1: But the the immediate knock on effect of that is 650 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 1: that is great timing for an infection, because anything that 651 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: becomes a superbug due to this perfect storm of covid uh, 652 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,320 Speaker 1: it's also going to have a tremendous opportunity to spread because, 653 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 1: not to be crass about it, there will be a 654 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 1: certain segment of the population who is making up for 655 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 1: lost time. That's the most diplomatic way I can put it. 656 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,399 Speaker 1: How do how does that sound? Do you agree with that? 657 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,799 Speaker 1: What am I overstating the case here? No, you're not 658 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 1: at all. I have so many friends who have gotten 659 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: pregnant since the lockdown began, and most of them are 660 00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: in committed relationships, so it's less of a you know, 661 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,800 Speaker 1: worry about getting some kind of s T. I um, 662 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 1: but I don't have much experience, and that that fresh 663 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: out of the quarantine dating situation. But I can only imagine. 664 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 1: I can only imagine what it will be like in 665 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 1: I think what you're describing is rather accurate, you know, 666 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,359 Speaker 1: I think that's very fair, Matt. And of course, you know, 667 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,880 Speaker 1: not here to yuck. Anybody's live your life to the 668 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 1: fullest extent. Just be safe so you can live it 669 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,360 Speaker 1: for the longest extent as well. Good news, there's no 670 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: super syphilis yet. There are superbugs, and they are things 671 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 1: you need to be aware of, but we're not quite 672 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 1: at the dystopian level of you know, twelve monkeys or something. 673 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:51,919 Speaker 1: You remember twelve monkeys, I do. I do. Rewatched it recently, Matt. 674 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 1: It's a little more campy than I thought it was 675 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 1: when I was a kid. It's well, I mean its 676 00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,759 Speaker 1: Gilliam right, It's yeah, there's an oddness to it. I 677 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: thoroughly enjoyed it watching it again though, very very much. 678 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 1: And while you're thinking about that dystopian diseases in sci fi, 679 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,840 Speaker 1: let's let's end with something And maybe I should have 680 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:19,840 Speaker 1: done earlier the differences between garden variety goneria and super goneria. 681 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 1: So this super strain is one of the world's oldest 682 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: sexually transmitted infections. If it is untreated, the super strain 683 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,160 Speaker 1: version super goneria can lead to a fivefold increase of 684 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,359 Speaker 1: HIV transmission. It can also lead to eye infections that 685 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,479 Speaker 1: can in some cases cause blindness. As we record, there 686 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:48,359 Speaker 1: are more than ninety million cases of goneria worldwide every year, 687 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:53,440 Speaker 1: and the number is growing by seventeen percent. Back in 688 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 1: the c d C estimated that up to five million 689 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 1: people in the US could be infected with gonoia in 690 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 1: ten years. UH. If you're in the UK, then you 691 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,880 Speaker 1: are you have the dubious distinction of living in the 692 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,600 Speaker 1: country with the highest goner rear rate in the continent 693 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:16,600 Speaker 1: of Europe. And now these now these cases are on 694 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: the rise because more people have to go to hospitals. 695 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,920 Speaker 1: So we're seeing the same problems we saw earlier with 696 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,799 Speaker 1: multiple superbugs, but now in a very real way, we 697 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: are seeing the cost the consequences of this. So be safe. 698 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,759 Speaker 1: I know this is a bit of a buzz kill, 699 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,360 Speaker 1: but you know what, you know what, Matt, it should 700 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 1: be a bit of a buzz kill. Maybe that's the 701 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,719 Speaker 1: ethical thing for us to do here is b b 702 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:48,560 Speaker 1: buzz Yeah, be safe, though, be safe. We hope that 703 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:53,200 Speaker 1: you have an excellent one, or at least we hope 704 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,400 Speaker 1: it's off to a good start. We know that the 705 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,880 Speaker 1: world is a crazy place riddled with plot twists, and 706 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 1: enormously appreciate your time going on this crazy journey with us. 707 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,560 Speaker 1: That's right. Here is to another year of stuff they 708 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,359 Speaker 1: don't want you to know, and strange news and all 709 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,239 Speaker 1: kinds of plot twists, because we're gonna have them. You know, 710 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,720 Speaker 1: they're gonna be more. It's not like this is gonna 711 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,600 Speaker 1: be the best year ever after that, which was the 712 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 1: one we almost don't speak about. But um, it's gonna 713 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,920 Speaker 1: be interesting. And we'll be with you for the ride. 714 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 1: So let's continue on. If you want to reach out 715 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,080 Speaker 1: to us for any reason, you can find us easily 716 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,840 Speaker 1: on social media. On Twitter and Facebook we are Conspiracy Stuff. 717 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,919 Speaker 1: On Instagram we are Conspiracy Stuff Show. You can also 718 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,120 Speaker 1: find us at YouTube dot com slash conspiracy Stuff and 719 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,239 Speaker 1: can watch us have these discussions if you wish. 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