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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Bro.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Only Witt, and today we have very

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Speaker 1: special guest filmmaker Wesley Armstrong aka was Good in the Buildings. Sir.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you known you watched you

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Speaker 1: from Afar for years now years in the DMS. It's

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Speaker 1: nice to get a response, and I believe in an

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Speaker 1: ultimate follow up. But watching your growth over the years,

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Speaker 1: it's actually better now that I got to do the area,

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Speaker 1: because back then it was like more in the beginning.

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Speaker 1: Right now you have all these huge milestones. And not

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Speaker 1: only are your filmmaker, you are also act north.

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Speaker 2: Of the ten yeah, editor, producer, every colorist, wow, social

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Speaker 2: media influencer.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot. Yeah, but before we get into it,

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Speaker 1: and before we accidentally burn down the studio, tell us

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Speaker 1: what you're gonna have it.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I believe it is just.

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Speaker 1: So you guys know. He requested a George Forman grill

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Speaker 1: on this usually we do the cook time.

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Speaker 2: The question was what did you used to eat in college?

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Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, that's a loaded but unloaded question, and

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Speaker 2: I was like, you know what I used to do?

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Speaker 2: Burgers On the George forman grill. That's one thing that

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Speaker 2: I used to do.

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Speaker 1: But how does it feel to go back to eating

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Speaker 1: this dish?

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Speaker 2: I don't know what to expect because I'm not really

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Speaker 2: a cook like that. Butonce she cooks more so this

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Speaker 2: is going to be it's gonna be a group effort.

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Speaker 2: There's a group effort, yes, because I may be like, hey, Golin,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm doing here. Does this look cooked?

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Speaker 2: But I think I got it.

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Speaker 1: I think yes, And now your dish. You could go

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Speaker 1: ahead tell the fans what it is we're cooking.

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Speaker 2: All your ingredients are absolutely okay. So what we're doing

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Speaker 2: is a burger, all right, very complicated dish. Okay, this

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Speaker 2: is a delicate See, we're gonna be using beyond meat

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Speaker 2: and ketchup and mustard. We have cheese here, but I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't recommend that I eat the cheese. It's a lactose thing.

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Speaker 2: If you would like cheese, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Trying to exactly how you ate it, so I'll skip

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Speaker 1: the cheese too.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, back in the day, no, like my stomach

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Speaker 2: was built different. Oh yeah, it was built different, So

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the cheese. This isn't real. I heard

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Speaker 1: these aren't real cheese.

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Speaker 2: Not worth the risk?

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Speaker 1: Really, okay, gotcha?

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Speaker 2: And then we also have kool aid jammers here. Now

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Speaker 2: this right here, this dates back to the childhood. This

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Speaker 2: is definitely it's hot outside, so this reminds me of

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Speaker 2: the hot summer days coming in and the drink is

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Speaker 2: good when you go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: And I started thinking about, like when I was over here,

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Speaker 2: I was like, why did we go? And I figured

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Speaker 2: it out. It's because when we're drinking, we're holding our breath.

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Speaker 2: We're not even breathing. We're just drinking and its good,

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Speaker 2: but we're also breathing. Agaad, I'm excited to at the

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Speaker 2: end of it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Now I will never ever hear that sound

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Speaker 1: and not think about that explanation. But I like, whenever

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Speaker 1: I drink some nice you like to be like, oh

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Speaker 1: you know what, yeah, so go ahead, start making this dish.

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Speaker 1: And me and Wes we read meat, so we both

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Speaker 1: are not so we're read me eater. So now we're

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Speaker 1: switching out for beyond me. So don't think back in

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Speaker 1: the day he was all boogied out. Oh yeah, this

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Speaker 2: Okay, beyond burg.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I don't know if there's such thing as

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Speaker 1: not cooking or beyond burger all the way through.

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Speaker 2: I don't either.

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Speaker 1: Don't find out. Just try to make it look like

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Speaker 1: a burger.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all right. So first thing I'm gonna do is

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna feel this plastic back. Oh, I have a

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Speaker 2: spatula here.

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Speaker 1: Purpose And the cool thing you could just dump it

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but I'm the chef today, okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: And the cool thing about this is I put them.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I should have brought you gloves nice,

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Speaker 2: I think I might just dump them on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then just I wonder if this thing okay? Cool?

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Speaker 2: It opens just like that, So peel the papers off.

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Speaker 1: You got this?

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Speaker 2: I saw I got this. I definitely washed my hands.

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Speaker 2: All right, there we go. Boom.

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Speaker 1: Did you tell your fiance that you were cooking today?

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Speaker 2: She knows?

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Speaker 1: Okay, she was like, good luck. Oh damn, it made

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Speaker 1: the sizzle. Look at that.

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Speaker 2: And the cool thing about it is there is a

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Speaker 2: burner on both sides. There's no flipping it over.

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Speaker 1: Yes, oh yeah, that's right, there is no.

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Speaker 2: There's no flipping it over.

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Speaker 1: That's why I put the spatial there because for some

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Speaker 2: I have to scoop it hot, so we still need dispatch.

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Speaker 1: And then did you know, did you notice that they

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Speaker 1: The Oh yeah, is it like it? Does it come

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Speaker 2: Because mine was like a lot smaller than this. So

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Speaker 2: this is the advanced version of nice one. Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: All right, now that you got the burgers on the grill,

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Speaker 1: got them on the grill, take me back all the

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Speaker 1: way back before filmmaking acting the good old starting point

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Speaker 1: of these burgers. I want to go as far back

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we're going to go back to two thousand four.

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Speaker 2: I think that's when I started going to or two

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Speaker 2: and I lived in the dorms over there, and I

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Speaker 2: remember exactly how financial aid work, but somehow I was

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Speaker 2: remember a girl I was dating. We're like scrounging change together,

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Speaker 2: all right, listen. We could hit Dell Taco real quick

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Speaker 2: fast food. Just crazy, didn't It wasn't my favorite thing.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, at the internship, you were Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: was in fast food. I don't understand. At Disney.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So I worked in the parks, Okay, at this

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Speaker 2: I remember calling my mom crying because I was like,

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Speaker 2: what am I going to do? I didn't make it

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Speaker 1: This is and you were crying. You were upset.

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Speaker 2: I was upset. Yeah, what were you going to college for?

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Speaker 1: Originally at Amarillo.

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Speaker 2: I was in the media department. So that's how I

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Speaker 2: got the Name's good because I was on the radio.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, you know what. I never said this, but

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Speaker 1: your voice is so beautiful. I was like, man, you

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Speaker 2: So I started out in radio and then I did

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Speaker 2: an internship at Disney and that's when I started making videos.

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Speaker 2: I got this program on Windows movie Maker. Make sure

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Speaker 1: Make sure you burn it already?

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Speaker 2: the radio was like, Yo, you should check out this

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Speaker 2: People that are outside of film don't understand that film

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Speaker 2: But using I had like just a simple I think

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Speaker 2: No. I did this thing called draw my Life, where

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Speaker 1: I was about to ask no side hustles though, right.

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Speaker 2: This is the only hustle. There's no plan B. You're

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Speaker 1: But I'm still here in what capacity, in the marketing

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Speaker 1: So you called in advance? Yeah, were you all calling

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, hey, listen, I got some meetings

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Speaker 2: hit people up. I used to tweet so much I

441
00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,800
Speaker 2: had to go to Twitter jail because I'd be like

442
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Speaker 2: new Visual Heat and I have one video New Visual

443
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Speaker 2: Heat your soldier boy, hey bowe wow, Like I'm hitting

444
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,960
Speaker 2: everybody at thinking this is I'm gonna get the job.

445
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,720
Speaker 1: So the thing is such as Twitter jail.

446
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, you tweet so much within an hour you

447
00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,120
Speaker 2: can't tweet for a certain amount of time.

448
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Speaker 1: That's hilarious. I love that for you, though, Okay, it's

449
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,920
Speaker 1: so crazy on the internewy hard to get to where

450
00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:58,320
Speaker 1: you're at.

451
00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,800
Speaker 2: And I'm still like going, what.

452
00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,959
Speaker 1: Was that follow up though, looking like with the okay,

453
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Speaker 1: cool response, Hey, I'm leaving in three days, you'd better

454
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:08,359
Speaker 1: see if we can link.

455
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 2: No, it was just like I'm here, I was like,

456
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 2: he was like, let me know when you're here. So

457
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 2: then I was telling all my friends, Hey, we're gonna

458
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,280
Speaker 2: be working Rodney Jerks. He's got this reality show, he's

459
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,800
Speaker 2: got music videos, got artists. I'm telling all my friends

460
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,360
Speaker 2: the dream and the idea that we're gonna do. And

461
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,440
Speaker 2: the reality was like, that's not how Hollywood works. So

462
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,679
Speaker 2: I'm out here and I'm like, cool, that's not going

463
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,080
Speaker 2: to stop me. I'm still going to figure out how

464
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,200
Speaker 2: to get on. So I would go to the coffee

465
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 2: shop on Sunset and it's right across from the CNN building,

466
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,119
Speaker 2: the coffee being our coffee shop that's right there in

467
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 2: the corner. I'd be up inside there shooting emails all day, Emails, MySpace,

468
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 2: Twitter all day, and then walk up and down Sunset,

469
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 2: knocking on Nickelooneon's door, trying to get a meeting at

470
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,880
Speaker 2: this studio. I didn't know how it worked, but I'm

471
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 2: just I'm trying. This is my every day. And then

472
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Speaker 2: finally Rodney hit me okay and he's yo, come through

473
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Speaker 2: to the studio. So I got some artists. I want

474
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 2: you to work with those artists. Victoria Monet, little play

475
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 2: like this is before they are who they are to

476
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,679
Speaker 2: TV hits, and then I started working with them and

477
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 2: doing music videos for them, and it's cool. Then I

478
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,400
Speaker 2: get a call to head back to Florida to work

479
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,120
Speaker 2: on projects for flow Rider.

480
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Speaker 1: And e Class and from Ozone.

481
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 2: Or not even from Ozone, from No from another friend

482
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 2: of mine. He wanted to manage me, so he called

483
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 2: me up. I'm like, you know what, like videos aren't

484
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,640
Speaker 2: really popping over here like that. I'm going back and forth.

485
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, let me just stay

486
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Speaker 2: out here in Orlando for another year and see what's

487
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Speaker 2: going on. So you went back to I went back

488
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 2: to Orlando, got an apartment, started working again, and I

489
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,439
Speaker 2: still wanted to get out to LA but like, I

490
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 2: had more work out here. That's when I did Bob

491
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Speaker 2: and flow Writer and all these other artists. And then

492
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Speaker 2: I get a call from Susanna Pass. She found Michael Jackson,

493
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Speaker 2: all these other artists in Susanna Pass and Alex Thomas.

494
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 2: That's who called me, Hey, we want to do a

495
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Speaker 2: reality show for Alex. I'm like, cool, fly back out.

496
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,400
Speaker 2: They get my ticket one way and I'm staying at

497
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Speaker 2: Tommy Brown's house.

498
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Speaker 1: Okay.

499
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 2: TV Hits big producer.

500
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been trying to get him shout outs to

501
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: never ever locking him in.

502
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, so Tommy's like one of my good friends.

503
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 2: You can stay at my house. I'm like cool.

504
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 1: And he lives in a big ass house. Was he producing? No,

505
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 1: this is before he was big Okay.

506
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 2: Blankershim in a one bedroom apartment before. Yeah, we're talking

507
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 2: like two thousand and nine, twenty Tenkay, it was Struggle City.

508
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 2: So it's me and him.

509
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Speaker 1: It's crazy to see where you guys are at now.

510
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so it's me and him and him

511
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 2: and actually him and Victoria actually dating at this time,

512
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 2: and so he's like, I'm gonna stay at I'm gonna

513
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Speaker 2: stay at her house, and he stays at her house

514
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 2: across the street and Danny Lay ends up moving into there.

515
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Speaker 2: So it's all them, Danny Lay's family, and I'm over

516
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Speaker 2: in Tommy's apartment. So I get a job at this place.

517
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 2: So I do Alex Thomas's job with them, and they

518
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Speaker 2: sell that to Style, which is great, like a year

519
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Speaker 2: so later, but I'm still like.

520
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Speaker 1: I'm just curious. Now when you go into the negotiations,

521
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Speaker 1: we gotta try the food before it gets caught because actually,

522
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: let's take a little bite.

523
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: Break break there.

524
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: We gonna take the nice sip of the kool aid.

525
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Speaker 2: Yep, I'm gonna get my kool aid jammer ready. Oh

526
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: it is good with the cheese. That's the George former

527
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Speaker 2: girl burger right there.

528
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Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, tell me something. I'm having

529
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Speaker 1: to do this again. This is good.

530
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Chef West in the building.

531
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Speaker 1: I don't know why I don't make burgers anymore.

532
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: I haven't either, but I'll try to make one for Brandy. Well,

533
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 2: she says.

534
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: With the kool aid. Whoa, it's a good meal. I'm

535
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Speaker 1: gonna take one more bite before I get into my

536
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Speaker 1: next question, which is gonna be how are you running

537
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Speaker 1: the prices? How are you negotiating your prices at this summer?

538
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: Are you just taking what they're offering and you're being

539
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: really cool? Are you doing some pushback?

540
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 2: Great question. So, when I was younger and we're talking

541
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: at the same time, my mom would tell me, know

542
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 2: your worth, you have a valuable product. Know your worth.

543
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: I took that very literally, so I did not get it.

544
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 2: I would there was a heavy amount of people acquiring

545
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 2: with me, and I was out pricing myself so much

546
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 2: photo shoot five K. I gotta know my value photo

547
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 2: shoot because sometimes people would pay that. So I'm like, oh,

548
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 2: this is the the price if you need X, Y

549
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 2: and Z, and I'm yeah. I didn't have really any

550
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: negotiating skills. I was like, this is what it is, man,

551
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: I got three K. Sorry, man, can't do it. I

552
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 2: was sleeping on a couch for that specific reason. I

553
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: lost a lot of jobs because I didn't understand negotiating it.

554
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 2: I didn't understand what it meant to know your value,

555
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: I thought, or know your worth. Because I thought know

556
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: your worth was like, hey, up here, I know the

557
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: skill set I have, but I'm still building a resume

558
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: off of a few projects. So I didn't understand that,

559
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 2: and so that's what led me to be on a

560
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: couch for two to three years.

561
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: They're also turning down gigs.

562
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: I was turning down so many gigs.

563
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: And nobody was having a couple Jesus moment with me.

564
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 2: My friends listen. I was extremely hard headed. It's like

565
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 2: the most hearted. I was the guy who would argue

566
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: in meetings the difference between invisible and invincible, explain an idea.

567
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, he turns invisible or invincible. He turns

568
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: invincible and they're like, you mean invisible. I'm like, no,

569
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: he turns invincible. Man, what are you talking about? And

570
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 2: I and one day I went on Google. I was like,

571
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 2: why does everyone keep arguing me about this? And I

572
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: looked and I was like wow, And I just had

573
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: a flash of all the meetings I had, of people's

574
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 2: frustration and hard headedness. I me arguing them to the ground,

575
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 2: just like my ideas, because I always had like elaborate ideas. Yeah,

576
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 2: like all my friends Marcus, Doug, Jamie, like all of

577
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 2: them would just be like, Wes, what what are you

578
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: talking about? This is great, They're going to give us

579
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 2: ten grand I'm like, no, it needs to be twenty

580
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: five for this video.

581
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: What was the come to Jesus moment where you were like,

582
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: all right, sleeping on the couch, Like sleeping on the couch.

583
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: Three years of sleeping on the couch you epiphany?

584
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: No, No, I had to get I had I hadn't

585
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: end up getting a manager. He was like, what are

586
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: you doing? We have you can do these videos? You

587
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 2: could do it at this price. So it took a

588
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: lot of that. I remember when I moved back to Florida.

589
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: My last job in Florida. My friend approached me. He

590
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 2: was like, listen, man, I really want to help you

591
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 2: take your stuff to the next level. I like to

592
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,479
Speaker 2: manage you. So I was like, you know what, I

593
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 2: definitely need a change. Yes, So we did an agreement,

594
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 2: and when I got back to LA to like wrap

595
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 2: up whatever I was doing out there, I got a

596
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 2: call from b the managers. Hey, I want to take

597
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: you on the world tour with Bob. Like his album

598
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: is taking off, his music is taking off, and this

599
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 2: was a really pivotal moment. And I told him I

600
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: couldn't do it because I just signed with another manager.

601
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: So that didn't even happen.

602
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: Wait, I don't understand why management affected that.

603
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 2: I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. It

604
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 2: didn't I could have went there. But actually I think

605
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 2: he wanted to manage me. I think he wanted to

606
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: manage me. But he was also offering me to go

607
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 2: on tour, and I was like, I'm sorry, I just

608
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: signed it another deal.

609
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: And they're trying to manage you as a filmmaker.

610
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they come out on tour with him as a

611
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 2: filmmaker and shoot the stuff. So anyways, boom.

612
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: It's also on a testament looking from the sidelines. It's

613
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 1: a testament to how great your skill set was and

614
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: your work ethic was when people are like, yo, I

615
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: want to manage it, because management is technically like commission based.

616
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: It's like you what you kill right A percentage?

617
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 2: Yeah percentage? Yeah that that didn't have happening, But I

618
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: still maintained a great relationship with all them. So I'm

619
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: in Florida doing those videos and yeah, now we're back

620
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: to when I'm here in La working. I start working

621
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: at this place called Hollywood Video. It's right behind Saddle Ranch.

622
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: It's not there anymore, but they did like paparazzi videos.

623
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 2: They would go out film paparazzis and they I only

624
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 2: had to work like three days a week for nine

625
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 2: hundred dollars. I was like, this is great money. I'm

626
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: sleeping on Tommy's couch for free and I'm working in

627
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 2: this place. But I'm not gonna lie. This is. I

628
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 2: gotta lie a little bit, but this is I wasn't

629
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: taking the job too serious, so I was spelling stuff wrong.

630
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: Oh like actor versus actress Renee Zelwiger and I'm writing

631
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: renew renee Zebra. I don't know I'm writing something wrong,

632
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: and I'm getting fired. The same day I get fired,

633
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: Tom's like, hey, I got to move back into this apartment,

634
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: so you got to find your own spot. And I'm like, okay, cool.

635
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: But like that day, I had put my last two

636
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: thousand dollars down on an apartment. Now I'm like, I

637
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: got no money here. I am in the same situation.

638
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: I'm fired from this job. I've moved out of timing spot.

639
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: I'm in this new apartment I put last month and

640
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: that month's rent down. I'm at zero, you know, something

641
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: like zero zero, Yeah, maybe one hundred and fifty bucks.

642
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, what am I gonna do? And so again

643
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: this I tapped back into just kind of like that

644
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: hustle mentality, like how to get work, how to get

645
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: a job. I end up getting a job at Buna

646
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: Murray and Buna Murray they do Kardashians in real world.

647
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: Who I's like, oh yeah, yeah, I get a job

648
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 2: over there in the digital department. So this is when

649
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: YouTube's on that rise. So YouTube's on that rise, and

650
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: I'm inviting different YouTubers in to be on the show,

651
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: and within that time, I meet day Storm. So I

652
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 2: meet day Storm and he comes on the show and

653
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: I'm like shooting. I'm like, all right, I'm gonna start

654
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: shooting short films on YouTube. And I did a Spider

655
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: Man short film that he cameoed in. I met him

656
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: at his party at his house and we became cool.

657
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: And my video that I did went viral and this

658
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: kid named King BATCHI suck and he hit me up.

659
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, I saw the Spider Man video and

660
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, dude, I've just seen your videos on

661
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: the internet. I think you're funny too. So then we

662
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: connect and he's all want to start doing music videos.

663
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, I do these music videos

664
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: right here.

665
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: You already have this popin ass resume going yeah.

666
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: Else he's yeah, I want to do music video. So

667
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: I'm like cool. So we get a budget together and

668
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: we do music videos. But he needs people in his videos.

669
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: He doesn't know anybody. So I'm like, I met him.

670
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: He wasn't originally from La or something.

671
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: No, batches from like Canada or something.

672
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, so he's new new He's and this

673
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: is before he connects with Storm. Or do you meet

674
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: him through Storm or you connected them? Get the freak out? Okay,

675
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: so you meet him fresh off the boat.

676
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like he's no, he's doing like amazing videos

677
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 2: on his own, and I'm like, these are super funny.

678
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,959
Speaker 2: So I helped start. I start shooting his YouTube videos

679
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and so he needs to do

680
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: this video and I invite all the cool YouTubers that

681
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: I know, day Storm, JK Films, like all really dope YouTubers,

682
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: and they're all on in his video.

683
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: So him and day Storm and are you still working

684
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: for Bernie at this time?

685
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 2: Being and Murray, Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm so worriy sorry,

686
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: I'm still working on that. And so yeah, they link

687
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: up and then they start doing videos like crazy.

688
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so you like literally created a whole dominie.

689
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: You you the reason why these guys are like okay.

690
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: So boom, So they connect, they start doing their videos.

691
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: I'm doing YouTube and then this app called Vining comes

692
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: out and my friend Ken Michael like batchuses like cameo

693
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: on all the music videos I do from esther Dean

694
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: I did want for Lil Wayne and Trey songs and

695
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: he would CAMEO on it or be my pa. Damn yeah,

696
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: I would bring him along on all these shoots. I

697
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: remember what did I do Batch? Oh? I started? So Tommy,

698
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: he's doing stuff at the studio. I'm meeting different artist

699
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: in studio. Travis Scott came through before he was Travis

700
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: Scott and me and him were talking about videos we

701
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: were going to do together. And I met Neo's manager son,

702
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: and then so I ended up meeting Neo. This is so,

703
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: this is like between twenty eleven twenty thirteen. All this

704
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: stuff is happening, and I go out there to shoot

705
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: a video. They're like, hey, we want to shoot a

706
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: video with Neo working out with his trainer Boss. So

707
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: I meet Boss and I meet Neo. Boss. Oh shit,

708
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: you dope. And I was like, oh, you dope too.

709
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: So I do the video Boom, keep it moving. He's hey, listen,

710
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: they love the video. We want to do it better

711
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: and put a real budget in your hands. And the

712
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: budget was like five hundred to five ks. I'm like, cool,

713
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: I could put this together, make something. We did that.

714
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: Me and Boss built it an incredible relationship from there,

715
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: and there was a basketball game for Kevin Hart. This is.

716
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: We knew about Vine, but we weren't actually active on

717
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 2: it just yet. So we do this big basketball game

718
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: between Kevin Hart and Neo's camp, and that's when Boston

719
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: Neo met Our, Boston Kevin met, their relationship took off.

720
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: So then Ryne comes out and I'm.

721
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: Boston Kevin met in their relationship. Are Neo and keV

722
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: met in the relationship.

723
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: Neo and keV aready knew each other. Boston Kevin met

724
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 2: at this event, and then they take off our.

725
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: I remember just yeah, just the relationship connected.

726
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: I didn't connect them yea, yeah, I get it.

727
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: I get okay boom.

728
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: So he was like, yo, I do this. I'm a trainer.

729
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: I got Neo shape. He was like, kep, yeah, I

730
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: definitely want to tap it with you. And then they've

731
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: built an incredible like business. So then so then Vine

732
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: comes out and I'm going over there just to film

733
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: people's vines. And I'm filming it and they're like, wells

734
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: you shouldoot vines? Who you funny? I'm like, nah, I

735
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: got I'm trying to do movies and television, so I'm

736
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: filming batch. He's got first month thousand followers. Two weeks later,

737
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 2: thirty thousand followers at the end of the month, a

738
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: million followers. Like literally, it was like that, and I

739
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: would come in sporadically and after they and the month

740
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: after they got a million followers, I was like, I'm

741
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: about to start shooting these type of videos because like

742
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: I thought, I was.

743
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: Just yeah, I'm trying to do and you're just shooting

744
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: and not editing. No, I'm just are they editing at

745
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: this point?

746
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: No, we have to edit within the app, so it's

747
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: six seconds, so it's like record, stop cutting. Then we

748
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: figured out how to hack the app and get on

749
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: the back and download the footage to be able to

750
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: cut it in different ways. So it was like a

751
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: whole thing. So it was Vine was probably one of

752
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 2: the most stressful things ever because I don't even think

753
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: I said I grew up in Japan, but yo, we

754
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: started at the beginning. We started at the beginning. Agree,

755
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: But yes, I moved to Japan in third grade stayed

756
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: to my senior year of high school. So my comedy

757
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: and my outlook.

758
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: Is that where the anime comes from. Yeah, ok, I

759
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: got it.

760
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: So my outlook on comedy and just urban black comedy

761
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: in general, it's just different so my videos they always

762
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: looked good because they came from traditional background, but day

763
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: Swarm would call them well edited deletes. It's not funny, but.

764
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: It looks he's so cold. Yes, can you say that

765
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: quote again.

766
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: Welled deletes? Yes, he's not. That's a delete, that's what

767
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: it would be like, that's a delete. West videos look good,

768
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: but they always well edited deletes. It was just the thing.

769
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what lit the fire under me, Melvin.

770
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: Gregg, Melvin, Melvin shout outs to him. I'm been trying

771
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: to get him forever. No, I have never booked him.

772
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: I'll tell him. Okay, Melvin was the one person that

773
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: was able to get under my skin so much that

774
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm going to prove everyone wrong.

775
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: What did he say to get you?

776
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: He was like, maybe making videos like the Saint for you?

777
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: Oh shit? Oh.

778
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 2: And I remember just being inside that group chat hot

779
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: and I was like, I was so determined, Like I was,

780
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: I was. I have never been so determined in my life.

781
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 2: I've always been determined, but like that one right there,

782
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 2: I was like, I was angry, but.

783
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: Even with your whole body of works.

784
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Melvin, do you know what he was doing

785
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: or something. No, he was just like that back then,

786
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: he was just like that. And yeah, So for the

787
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: first two years, I would say, or first year and

788
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: a half, my vite videos were not like taking off,

789
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: like there was no Vines were a big thing, and

790
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: community was a big thing, and how people connected and

791
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: networks was a big thing. And here I am just scrounging,

792
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 2: Hey can you revive my video? Or hey, let's shoot

793
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 2: a video. Was what I would do is I would

794
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: say something and day sort of like that's my vine.

795
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: That's how quick an idea can go. Oh man, it'd

796
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: be funny if this or you just have a conversation,

797
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: like someone would be able to snatch a vine out

798
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 2: the air, like that's my idea. And we'd get in

799
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: these big groups me they storm leand Clarity Splack, Melvin,

800
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: all of us. We would do vine meetups and you.

801
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: Guy would shooting. I remember it would be like days,

802
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: like it'd be like Saturday, Sundy would be a shoot.

803
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: Day, right, No, like every day would be a shoot.

804
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: And like if you didn't get in those first six

805
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: to seven videos, because it's so high energy for someone's

806
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 2: video to get someone's attention and shoot the idea. By

807
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 2: the time it's your turn for your video, everyone's editing

808
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: and everyone's giving you like low ass energy, and I'd

809
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 2: always be in the low ass energy category. I'd shoot

810
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: everyone's stuff like cool, all right, my idea, Okay, I

811
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: got my idea now, or I'd come there not prepared

812
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 2: with an idea because it's just it was a lot

813
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: of pressure you're dealing with, like personalities that are just

814
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: like yours or bigger than yours. And in those situations

815
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: like I think I have a big personality, but like

816
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: when I get around bigger ones, yeah, just be like

817
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: all right, I'm not trying to like out talk some.

818
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: Whenever I see you'd always be quiet, Like anytime I

819
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: was around that group, you would always be extremely quiet.

820
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: It almost seemed like you were unapproachable.

821
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: No, it was never that. It was just like I'd

822
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: be in deep thought or like trying to think of

823
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: like how can I do it? So I would default

824
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: into my skill set. I'll just film the video. And

825
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 2: this is before people were tagging people in videos, because

826
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 2: I was like, man, this I should get tagged in

827
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: it because I shot it. I would do like unique

828
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: camera movements and stuff like that.

829
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: Anyways, when do you end up on the other side

830
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 1: of the camera. That's where in front.

831
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 2: Oh, then when I started shooting videos. When I started

832
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 2: shooting videos, that's when I was like, in front.

833
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: You saw bat like numbers go.

834
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 2: Everyone's numbers went like, everyone's numbers went so crazy. It

835
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: didn't take It took about a year and a half

836
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: for my things start catching on, and that's when Vine

837
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 2: ended up going away. So everything was getting Anything I

838
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: posted woul get a million views. So I went to

839
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: Facebook would remix my ideas and then in four months

840
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: I got a million followers.

841
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 1: So you guys signing to see payouts?

842
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember my first brand day was like seventy

843
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: five dollars and I was like, I'm getting paid to

844
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: do something I would do for free anyway. Also be

845
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: to Murray that had ended. So here I am again

846
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: like Brokeville. Yeah, Brokeville, so like twenty fourteen, twenty twenty fifteen,

847
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, it is Brokeville. Twenty fifteen is when I

848
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: met Brandy, and I remember specifically ripping eviction notices off

849
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 2: my door. I'd be like, wait, let me run upstairs

850
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 2: real quick, and I.

851
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: Go, oh, you're talking about your fiance. Yeah, that's hilarious. Yea,

852
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: so will you'd be coming home from a date, let

853
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: me go upstairs.

854
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: Oh man. I remember she was like, what do you

855
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: guys do? I was like, we make videos. I met

856
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: her at Lamorren's house and you guys don't have jobs.

857
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: And I would make videos. And I had started making

858
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 2: money doing videos by that time. It wasn't a lot,

859
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: but I was making some. So I was still doing

860
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: music videos. I think in twenty sixteen is when I

861
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: did my last official music video for flow Rider. Yeah,

862
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: videos were taken off. I start working with Fortune fifty

863
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: and five hundred companies doing branded content for this so

864
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 2: like now I'm getting because of these videos, I'm getting

865
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 2: published in Bloomberg magazine for oh, so, like those different

866
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: things are happening.

867
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: Can you share with us with what the published what

868
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: you were being published in Bloomberg magazine?

869
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: For all those in Bloomberg Magazine, I was interviewed for

870
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: bridging the gap between traditional and digital media. And then

871
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: because of the commercial spots I was doing, they were

872
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: going viral and like a sketch at first, but it'd

873
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: be a branded content piece. So by the end you're like, oh, Damn,

874
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: that was a brand new So yeah, that's what it was.

875
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: They named me game changing influencer in twenty seventeen or

876
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen for bridging that gap between traditional.

877
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: Day and you guys sort did you definitely played a

878
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: pivotal role in that, because now nothing looks the same.

879
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, it's crazy. It's so crazy how this

880
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: has changed. But that the influencer game. I always looked

881
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: at it as a stepping stone because I was like, Okay,

882
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: I wanted to because in the industry, to work from

883
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 2: behind to it in front. But I ended up having

884
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 2: an extremely good skill set. Being behind social media allowed

885
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: me to be in front. I can, I could be

886
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: whoever I want to be on there. So that's how

887
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 2: that personality built up. That's how I was casting in

888
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: movies like director saw me at a party goofing off

889
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:18,959
Speaker 2: with my friends. I'm gonna put you in a movie

890
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 2: like yeah, no, he was dead serious, he was dead serious,

891
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: and boom, I got in a movie from there. I

892
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 2: got another movie from Rominy Malcom because of the Internet. Stuffy,

893
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: I want it, I want you to be in my film.

894
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: And this is a film with Regina King and all

895
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 2: these other actors. But he taught me that and he

896
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 2: just said it briefly. He was like, because I went

897
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: in doing vine stuff big. He was like, listen, for

898
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 2: the big screen, you have to be small. For the

899
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 2: small screen, you have to be big. And I was like, okay,

900
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 2: And so that's just in terms of like action on

901
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: the smaller screen on the phone, looked to the door. Yeah,

902
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 2: on a big screen, looked at the doors like that.

903
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 2: It's subtle. It's so much is subtlety there. So that's

904
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: how I got my first movie, my second movie, and

905
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 2: then my last one that I did was with Cedric

906
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 2: the Entertainer. Again, they saw real of stuff I put

907
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: together and they're like, Yo, can you fly out tomorrow

908
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: be in this film?

909
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: And how are they seeing the reel?

910
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: I always have a real put together so I have

911
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: acting reel, of voice over reel, a directing reel.

912
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: They say, like on a website or something, Okay.

913
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: Stay ready, so you ain't got to get ready, Okay.

914
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: I like you. I like the way you move business wise.

915
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: Oh you're like marketing business sales. You're not just because

916
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people can just creative, can lock in

917
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: solely on creative, but you from jump or like business

918
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: card right here?

919
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like marketing has always I don't know, I

920
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,959
Speaker 2: just I just got I was never afraid to put

921
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: myself out there, and social media just put a different

922
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: battery pack on my back because those numbers showed you

923
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: had value or there were people that were invested into you.

924
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: So I worked with so many different brands from T

925
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: Mobile to Toyota, to Walmart to Xbox too, you name it.

926
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: And what ended up happening is I started building a

927
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 2: strong relationship with the movie studios. Now, the movie studios

928
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: are like, hey, Wes, we want you to host this

929
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: screening and we want you to bring big influencers there.

930
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, great, can I show a short film of mind?

931
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 2: Because what I really want to do is direct movies.

932
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: I feel like absolutely, Oh, instead of asking for a check,

933
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: you were asking.

934
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: For No, I still get a check. I would still

935
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: get a check, But what would be great is I'd

936
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: be able to showcase a short film of mind in

937
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: front of us audience.

938
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone would have thought to ask that though,

939
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: but they would have been like, thank you for the check.

940
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,959
Speaker 2: But yeah, maybe not. I don't know, No, I don't

941
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: know anybody else that was doing it. But I felt

942
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 2: like creators and influencers, they were doing it because they

943
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,439
Speaker 2: were all out here not to be on social media,

944
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: but to be in Hollywood. Not knowing we were building

945
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 2: the new Hollywood.

946
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a big statement.

947
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 2: Yeah we did not. We did know Dave Swarm new

948
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 2: because Dave Swarm was like, he was like, we should

949
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 2: keep shooting these videos, like checks are going to start

950
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 2: coming in, and we're like, you serious. He's I'll call

951
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: him the Godfather. Yeah, I believe that for sure.

952
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: It's funny though he was, he played a significant role mentoring.

953
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: He still mentors a lot of people around him, and

954
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: I don't think he discriminates on any level with that.

955
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: But to see everyone hit their different peaks at different times.

956
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: It starts with him. Guy would I will give credit

957
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: today's storm power because he's guided all of us, so

958
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 2: many of us and giving us advice and just like

959
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 2: he never lies, never lies, keeps it real and always

960
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 2: give credit to him for that.

961
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: But you said he saw the calm, he saw the

962
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: big screen. Can you get into that what you took

963
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: from that the big screen without pay before he saw

964
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: you were If we backtracked just a couple of seconds,

965
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: you were like saying, he saw that there was an

966
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: option for the big screen, or for Hollywood, or for

967
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: the transition from Hollywood.

968
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: To Yeah, he was just like he was like, Yo,

969
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 2: we're gonna start getting paid from doing these videos. Keep

970
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: staying on it because we're like, how do we how

971
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: do we make money? Like, we're not making any money?

972
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: What are we doing in this situation? Hey, they want

973
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 2: to pay means that's how you handle this, you know

974
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: you should. There's a power in saying no, yo, this

975
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: is how you negotiate, like all those different things, And

976
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: so I would take each of those things and apply

977
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: it to everything I was doing. So when it came

978
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: to when it came to brands, one of the tactics

979
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: and things that I would use is like, all right,

980
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 2: a brand's going to hit you up and they're gonna say, hey,

981
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: we want to post on your page. How much do

982
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 2: you cost? Now you could say a number and they

983
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 2: could easily be like, say, I say fifteen thousand dollars.

984
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: They're like, sorry, we can't, We're not going to do that.

985
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: Deal's gone. But this is money you're not thinking about

986
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 2: in the first place. So that's number one so when

987
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: they say how much does it cost? What are you

988
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 2: looking to pay? Whoever says the first number, first loser? Boom,

989
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 2: And so I'm like, okay. So that's how I started

990
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: approaching it at all, Like, this is money I'm not

991
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: thinking about in the first place. So whether I get

992
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: it or not, I don't care. Lock that in. What

993
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 2: are you guys looking to spend? Oh they're looking to

994
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: spend fifteen K? Great, I didn't have that thought yesterday

995
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: or anything like that. This is what you want to

996
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 2: pay me? Great? Hey, can we do twenty five K

997
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 2: for this? And this? We can't do that, but we

998
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: could do twenty k. Boom, locked it and done. Now

999
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: I've won. And so it's that and building upon that

1000
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: every single time. So the deals went from two K

1001
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: to ten K to fifteen y And.

1002
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: How are you managing your money when you're getting these checks?

1003
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: Are you blowing? Oh? You had an account in the whole time.

1004
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: I had to get an accountant because I was like,

1005
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 2: I don't know to do it all this. So I

1006
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 2: had to get an accountant to get the business straight,

1007
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: like taxes and everything like that.

1008
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: How do you know how to do that? Did someone

1009
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: whisper in your hair. Hey, by the way, or.

1010
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: Like all of us talked, Oh you need an accountant

1011
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: to help you manage this money. You don't want to

1012
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 2: blow it all. So that's I like that.

1013
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a very safe place. One's trying to

1014
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: foster everyone's growth. No hater aid all right, now I'm

1015
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: going to fast track you.

1016
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: Okay.

1017
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: The fast track is all the way to some of

1018
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: the highlights of what you're doing. Now, I want to

1019
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: before we get into the masterclass and some of the

1020
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: bigger things that you're working on, I want to talk

1021
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: about your first commercial commercial for TV. Tell me about

1022
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: that experience. What was it like, the call, the whole line.

1023
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: The call was someone that had worked with on brandals

1024
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 2: before they went to an agency called Tool of North America.

1025
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 2: They were looking to build a creator arm and I

1026
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: was the first call. So we talked. And when you

1027
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: do brand deals online, it's literally like a paragraph, what

1028
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: do you want to do or what's your idea? I

1029
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: do the paragraph. They're like, okay, cool, here's fifty k boom.

1030
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: I just do it.

1031
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: So oh you they ask you what you want to do?

1032
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: This this creator? This is how to be a creator

1033
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 2: and how brand deals work. You write a paragraph. This

1034
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 2: is my idea, that's what I want to do. They're like, okay, cool,

1035
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 2: here's the money. We're looking for the product. Now. On

1036
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: the traditional side, it's hey, we're looking for a director.

1037
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,479
Speaker 2: We need to see the concept of what you're trying

1038
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: to do. At first, I tried to send a paragraph

1039
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: and they were like, what the hell is this? This

1040
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: is All State. We can't this is not how we work.

1041
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 2: Like what's the theme, what's the tone, what kind of

1042
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: cameras you're gonna use, what's the lighting? Look like. I'm like,

1043
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 2: wait what? But I have to do all of that.

1044
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: They're like, that's the job of the director. So that

1045
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 2: was a quick crash course. If I want to do this, boom.

1046
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 2: So I get awarded the job. This is like a

1047
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: month process vetting process because they're going against other directors.

1048
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 2: I get the job. It's three All State commercials in

1049
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: a single day, and I'm like, all right, Cools. They

1050
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: bring on another director that's more experienced to come in

1051
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: and have my back. But when he got there, he

1052
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, I think you got it. I'm just

1053
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: going to chill in the back. Boom knock those out.

1054
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 2: They signed me after doing those commercials and now I'm

1055
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: on the road to doing like national commercial spalls and

1056
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: this is like big Hollywood.

1057
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: How much money are you talking like where you're like,

1058
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, Like was it like Nanni that was

1059
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: noticeable or was it just.

1060
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: Because it just it works differently like you're dealing with

1061
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 2: like corporate. So now I'm not an employee, I'm a contractor,

1062
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 2: whereas as an influencer, I am a contractor. But it's

1063
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: like I set the rule of my page. I am

1064
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 2: the television network. So where it's let me give you

1065
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 2: an example. If it's like a three hundred thousand dollars commercial,

1066
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: a director will get like two to three percent of that,

1067
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: sometimes up to ten percent. Like that's it. So you

1068
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: have your different departments sectioned off, you have your it's

1069
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: three hundred thousand, but you're paying for gripp and electric,

1070
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: you're shutting down streets, you're renting houses, Like I don't

1071
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: get all that budget. So that was a wake up call.

1072
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: It's like you have to build up that resume to

1073
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: get that check like that. But this is great. This

1074
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 2: is a great resume builder, and this kind of solidifies

1075
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: me as like an official director Now that I'm doing

1076
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: these type of commercials, so boom, I start doing those.

1077
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: That's building my resume. Now I have another feather in

1078
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 2: the cap to go in and approach people with. I

1079
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: don't have an agent as a manager, and it's just

1080
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: me like it's me and it's built off of my

1081
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 2: hustle and people within the agency hustling for me. So

1082
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 2: that's kind of like how those commercials work. But it's

1083
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 2: still like amazing, Oh wow, I'm doing like a real commercial,

1084
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 2: like for real.

1085
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: So you sign on to do more.

1086
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 2: Yep.

1087
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: Your resume is like popping.

1088
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: It's popping.

1089
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: It's popping, and you're learning the difference between talking corporate

1090
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: and talking the influencer or in the different types of

1091
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: entrepreneur like versus I own my own network, plug it

1092
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: into someone else's nuse. Now can you fast forward me

1093
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,479
Speaker 1: to masterclass with Kevin Hart?

1094
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1095
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: So does that come about?

1096
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: It goes back to relationships with bos. What I've learned

1097
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: in this industry is you plant seeds that are gonna

1098
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 2: blossom over the next three to five years. I met

1099
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 2: Boss back in twenty twelve. He meets Kevin twenty thirteen.

1100
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: They build up their thing. There's a point, like I

1101
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 2: think in twenty seventeen where they flew as all out

1102
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 2: to Hawaii to shoot stuff for keV, and like, I

1103
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: already had that relationship with Boss and that's a there's

1104
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 2: a bigger story with inside of there. But me, they

1105
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: storm Clarity, all of us. We all went to Hawaii

1106
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 2: to shoot stuff for keV and it was crazy and

1107
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 2: we helped promote his film What Now. All the videos

1108
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 2: went millions and millions of views online and keV was

1109
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: already becoming a global super sopid. He was like what

1110
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 2: now came out? He was like out of here. Yeah,

1111
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 2: his life has been changing since I want to say,

1112
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: like twenty ten. He just became popular like boom. So

1113
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 2: it's always great to be a part of that. Masterclass

1114
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 2: came about Brandy and I. We got hired by Heartbeat

1115
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 2: to host Heartbeat Weekend. We have been building rapport with him.

1116
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 2: I had been doing stuff with Heartbeat already and I

1117
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 2: had signed LOL back in twenty eighteen when keV first

1118
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: launched it, signed as an influencer, so they had when

1119
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: he launched it, he signed a bunch of influencers, myself,

1120
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 2: Woody John, a few different influencers to create content and

1121
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 2: we were plugged in with him. His team noticed me

1122
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 2: moving more in the director area and Brian Smiley hit

1123
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 2: me up and he was like, hey, pieces CEO at

1124
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 2: the time or COO at the time. He's like, hey,

1125
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: would you be interested in doing a masterclass for keV? What? Yeah?

1126
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 2: And after I hung up, I was like, I looked

1127
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 2: at Brandy and I was like, I have no idea

1128
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 2: what a masterclass is, but I'm just like, yes, Yeah,

1129
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 2: that's how that came about. And around that time, I

1130
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 2: had just shot my first official, like large short film, Vigilante,

1131
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 2: and so I had to take a break from it.

1132
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 2: This is a five month project for Kevin's masterclass, So

1133
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 2: go into.

1134
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: His house five months.

1135
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it took five months to get it done. Jesus Yeah,

1136
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: because it was his schedule. Kevin's schedule is insane, So

1137
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 2: trying to find time to sit with him, trying to

1138
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: work out with him, go to his house, ride different

1139
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 2: places with him, just to see how did you build

1140
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: this empire? Was this an accident? Did you mean to

1141
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: do it? What I need to learn? How do I become?

1142
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: That's what I need to know in this because you've

1143
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 2: done it in such an incredible way, and you're still

1144
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 2: able to have fun doing the thing you do. And

1145
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 2: how his team works there so like just like Sharp,

1146
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 2: from Boss to Harry to Joey, they moved very strategically,

1147
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: and then he has Heartbeat that moves strategically as well

1148
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 2: some time. So when it came to shooting, I had

1149
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 2: two four hour days with him to shoot it, but

1150
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 2: everything else I had to build around. So I'm looking

1151
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: through tons and hours of footage of him from his

1152
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 2: early days. How am I going to construct this thing?

1153
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: So it was like a whole thing, and so you

1154
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 2: actually had to do nine oh so much. And then

1155
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: I brought out with my friend who I went to

1156
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 2: school with film school, Alan, He was working on the

1157
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: Marvel films, so he came in and edited it with

1158
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 2: me and we knocked the whole thing out.

1159
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: I love that you do the behind the scenes of

1160
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: the whole experience. I absolutely I think there's like a

1161
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: connection to be built so like people can grow with you,

1162
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: fall in love with you, you'd be excited with you.

1163
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: Oh this is so amazing, and I love that he

1164
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: expressed it. I love that part about your whole journey

1165
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: that you're like that you take the time to do

1166
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes and talk.

1167
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 2: I think it's important you get to show people what

1168
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 2: it's like behind the curtain because I always want I

1169
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: was the kid that would put my face against a

1170
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 2: TV screen and try to see her on the corner,

1171
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: what is back there? And the Internet allowed me just

1172
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 2: to show like, hey, this is what I'm going through.

1173
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: Nobody knows what the fuck they're doing, to be completely honest,

1174
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 2: and I don't know what I'm doing, but this is

1175
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 2: how I'm figuring it out. If I'm going to leave anything.

1176
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 2: I always said, like when I got the answers, because

1177
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 2: I was always trying to get the answers, but there's gatekeepers.

1178
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to give you the answers. So I was

1179
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 2: just like, when I get the answers, I'm just going

1180
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 2: to give them away. Do with it what you will.

1181
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 2: This is what I learned. Hopefully you could takes something

1182
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 2: away use it for yourself.

1183
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm glad I got one hour.

1184
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 2: Is that an hour?

1185
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: An hour? Okay? And it's been an exciting journey. I

1186
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,280
Speaker 1: don't think I got to cover everything because it's sounds

1187
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: like there was so many good details and juicy stories

1188
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: that I probably missed out on. But what can people

1189
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: look forward to next in regards to projects.

1190
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 2: Right now, you can check out my film Vigilante on

1191
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 2: American Airlines that just dropped about a month ago, and

1192
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 2: my brother wrote it. It took us about it took

1193
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 2: us a year to get done. But I went to

1194
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 2: festivals all last year in New York, Florida, Atlanta, DC, Texas, California,

1195
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 2: like it went all over and it finally landed on

1196
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 2: American Airlines, so it's technically a global release.

1197
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: It is yeah, yeah flies And then what was it

1198
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 1: like in in that deal?

1199
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: Surreal? I when it comes to being a feature film director,

1200
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 2: I don't want to just be any director. I want

1201
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 2: to be the best. I want to be a blockbuster, global,

1202
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 2: superstar director. I don't need to be a superstar director,

1203
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 2: but I want to create films that people never look

1204
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 2: away from. And I envisioned that for myself. At the

1205
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 2: end of the last year, I assigned to the Director's Guild

1206
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 2: of America, which is huge, huge milestone. And now those

1207
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 2: huge directors are now my peers. So one of my

1208
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 2: mentors is Tim's story Think like a Man, ride along

1209
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 2: barbershop and he's kicking me under his wing and he's

1210
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 2: teaching me the ropes. What is it like to do

1211
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: one hundred million dollar film? So putting myself in those

1212
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 2: positions and.

1213
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: You pick up the phone, call him or text questions. Yeah,

1214
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: I love it.

1215
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 2: So he's like a mentor, now big mentor. We worked

1216
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 2: on Kevin's latest commercial on guitar airways. If you ever

1217
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 2: fly guitar airways, I don't know, I have a lot

1218
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 2: of airline stuff, but if you ever fly guitar airways.

1219
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 2: The new safety video starts Kevin Hart and so I

1220
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 2: was co writer and creative producer on that and Tim

1221
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 2: Story directed it.

1222
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: All right, and you're doing more stuff but yeah right now.

1223
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, heading back out to New York right now to

1224
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 2: do some more stuff for guitar and nice all the

1225
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 2: social stuff from guitar areas have I got to direct?

1226
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: And then, what advice would you give to anybody pursuing

1227
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: either the industry influencing filmmaking. Even though I feel like

1228
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: you left a nice road trail of nuggets.

1229
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 2: For anybody that is looking to do something that they're

1230
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 2: passionate about, go all in, bet on yourself. No one's

1231
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 2: coming to save you. You have to be your biggest

1232
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: fan and just do it, like a little bit of

1233
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 2: time every day towards the thing that you want to do.

1234
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 2: You're going to look up at some point to be like, damn,

1235
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 2: I did a lot because that was me enjoy the

1236
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 2: person that you are right now that is doing that thing.

1237
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 2: Because a lot of stuff I talk about, I was

1238
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 2: always looking at the future like, ah, man, one day,

1239
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 2: one day, one day, not realizing oh man, I did

1240
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff.

1241
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1242
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 2: So now when I'm in the thing and I'm trying

1243
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 2: to get more out of it, I'm like intentional about meditating,

1244
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 2: sitting with it, enjoying that thing, promoting that thing, being

1245
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 2: proud of that thing, and then what's the next thing.

1246
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: It's always like you have to be comfortable with being unsatisfied,

1247
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 2: Like you're always going to be like, shit, what's next?

1248
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I feel like the on this in particular,

1249
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: you'll see that everyone that sits in your seat, like

1250
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: the sealing just keeps moving.

1251
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, the goal post keep keeps.

1252
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: Moving, and everyone focuses on the goal post. You see

1253
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 1: it every They're like, what can I do more?

1254
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? The goal post keeps moving.

1255
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: What was one of the what was one of the moles.

1256
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: The thing you took away the most out of dealing

1257
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: with the masterclass with Kevin Hart. Who do you think

1258
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: his golden up for success.

1259
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 2: Was nobody's coming to save you. The Sun's gonna come

1260
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: up again tomorrow, and you have an opportunity to do

1261
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 2: the same thing and bet on yourself. Seek information. Don't

1262
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 2: be scared to say I don't know. Those are huge,

1263
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: huge things him, boss. They give me. There's so many

1264
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 2: lessons inside there to take away of how to pursue

1265
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 2: the thing that you want out of life, and they

1266
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: are living, breathing testaments of that thing. And yeah, I

1267
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: think also it's like surrounding yourself with people that are

1268
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 2: doing better than you. It's so important those conversations. And

1269
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 2: there are such things as people that can drain that

1270
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 2: energy if they always have my mom would call a

1271
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 2: fly in their soup, like something's always wrong. Ah man,

1272
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 2: this just happened. I don't sorry. I ain't trying to

1273
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 2: be around that smart. Let me hear about something positive.

1274
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 2: Let me hear about something that I'm not doing. How

1275
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 2: can I elevate and do something different? Yo? Tim? What

1276
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: was it like doing this movie? What are some of

1277
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 2: the things you dealt with like I'm in pursuit of greatness.

1278
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: I love that. And then for anyone out there that's

1279
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: currently going through broke times had to rip off eviction

1280
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: notice while on dates or eight burgers, slept on couches,

1281
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: literally was homeless. Just how did you get past those

1282
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: errors without making it without making it the focal point

1283
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: because it seemed like you were ripping off eviction notices,

1284
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like the highlight of oh shit, how

1285
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: am I going to pay this bill? Was like how

1286
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: do I get more projects? Like how did you?

1287
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 2: Just? I don't know, man, God, I knew. I know

1288
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 2: that something's gonna happen. I know how it's gonna happen.

1289
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I'm very self driven and I think

1290
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 2: my mom, I thank God for that. If this person

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Speaker 2: can do it, why can't I do it? I just

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Speaker 2: I cannot. I was never in this woe is me, Like, dang,

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Speaker 2: it's just not gonna happen for me. I was just

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Speaker 2: never that. It's just if you don't know about me,

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Speaker 2: I gotta tell you about me, like I gotta tell you.

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Speaker 2: I gotta get this out of my system in some way.

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Speaker 2: And even when I meet people like, I'll be honestly say,

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Speaker 2: I meet the president of Paramount and this is true story.

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Speaker 2: I'll go up to them. I'm like, listen, I don't

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Speaker 2: really have the exact words to say right now, but

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Speaker 2: I just know that I'd love to show you some

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Speaker 2: of my work if is there any way I can

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Speaker 2: get in contact with you. It was a real interaction. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: here's my business card. Hit me up. You have no

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Speaker 2: idea what you just not did, because I for show

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Speaker 2: I'm going to hit you up. So and I'm still

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Speaker 2: playing that game like, I'm still like, job's not done.

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Speaker 2: I'm inching closer to the thing. But it's a constant

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Speaker 2: wake up set. My intentions chase the dream. Even this

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Speaker 2: right here, this is another. This is a piece of

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Speaker 2: the pie of chasing the dream. This is exposure to

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Speaker 2: a whole new audience. This is and fulfill your thing.

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Speaker 2: Like anytime I work with someone that's like, how can

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Speaker 2: I make you look great? This is your dream, this

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Speaker 2: is your goal. If I can help contribute it, that's

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Speaker 2: good carbon to me. Why not?

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Speaker 1: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on and I'm super thankful. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I'm so proud of you. Thank you likewise, So

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Speaker 1: thank y'all for tuning in you could keep up with

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Speaker 1: what's good.

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Speaker 2: Hell on all social media's spell it out, it's w

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Speaker 2: u z g oo D. It's literally the one on everything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. Peace out. For more eating while broke

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