WEBVTT - Talking with Aleks Svetski - The UnCommunist Manifesto 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.599 Hey, welcome to another episode of the Mark mass Show 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:05.600 where we talk about the decentralized revolution. We talk about 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:08.160 the way the world is changing right before our very eyes, 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:11.600 as we're swinging from centralization to decentralization. Of course, we're 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:15.400 talking about bitcoin and how that changes the world. Um. 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:18.080 You know, I try to bring to you some education 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:19.560 to change the way you think. I try to bring 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:21.560 to you the latest breaking news each and every week 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:24.080 so you stay on top of this revolution as is happening, 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:26.520 play by play, and of course bring to you some 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:29.280 of my friends so you can hear some other opinions. 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:31.280 But just besides just to me, and that's what we 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:34.000 got for you. Right now, I'm in the studio with 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:37.120 my good friend Alex Spetzky is also the co author 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.200 of my new book that we just released this week 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:42.839 on Amazon. The title of the book is called The 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:49.160 Uncommunist Manifesto. Welcome Alex, thanks for joining me today, Mark, 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:52.000 thanks for having me back. But I think I'm one 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.640 of these recurring guests. You know, it's like recurring nightmare 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.040 that doesn't leave you. Alanna ha ha. Well, I guess 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.480 it depends on which way you view you view you, uh. 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.440 For many it's a pleasure and for many maybe at 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:05.200 is that nightmare. But so you know, something we've been 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.400 talking about for a while now and I'm just so 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:09.759 excited is we got this new book that we wrote 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:13.080 and it is out. Um it's on Amazon again. It's 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:17.840 The Uncommunist Manifesto. It was released on Monday. We've already 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:23.560 reached best seller status. So pretty excited about that. Um, exciting, right, 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:25.400 my my first book? Is this your first book? I 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.720 think it is right? This is yeah, we've we've both 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:31.160 broken our virginities this yeah, it was the first time 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:33.800 for each of us. And uh yeah, man, I think 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.959 we hit we hit the best seller in to our 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:43.720 political reads. We hit best seller in economics economic theory 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:46.960 for for about a day there, and there was one 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:48.560 other category. So we hit the best seller in a 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.600 couple of categories pretty quickly, which was good to see. 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:54.280 And you know, it's uh, it's it's doing well. There's 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:56.720 you know, the sales every single day. So we we're 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.240 just sort of seeing that book spread. And this is 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:02.200 over and above of what we obviously did on the 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.360 Kicks Out of Program about I think three or four 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:09.040 months ago. So yeah, I'm I really want to see 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.040 this message spread far and wide. It's not about the sales. 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:14.399 It's more about the the message getting out there because 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:16.160 I think we've kept it the zodcast at the time 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:19.360 in this book. Yeah. So, um that that first category, 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:23.040 the two hour read, it's an interesting category. I really 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:24.519 like it. Though. I know something that you and I 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.840 have talked about a lot most books today. You know, 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:30.960 I guess it's it's a symptom of short, short attention 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.639 spans or whatever. But um, these big books, which which 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.079 are great, Um, a lot of times they're overwhelming. They're 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.359 hard to read, and and and and there's a need 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:40.160 for them, there's they're great, but but a lot of 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:43.040 the great books of history are actually just very short. 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:46.120 As those books about ten thousand words, most people could 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:48.160 read about an hour, hour and a half. So I 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.840 think that's an important Uh, it's important for us because 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:52.240 if we want enough people to read it, we need 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.600 to make it easy to read, right m m. Yeah, 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.960 there's something to be said about delivering a couple good 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:02.320 ideas really concisely. So if you look at the classics, 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:06.760 like you know mcavelly, right, Nicola mcavelly, The Prince really 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:11.840 short book The Art of war, really short book. Balthasargreation's 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.480 book on Becoming the Best versions of from Winning Out Life. 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.240 It was a short book. I mean, the Communist Manifesto 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.680 was a short book, despite how ridiculous it was. The 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.760 Law by Frederick Bastia, short book, easy, one hour read. 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.640 So there is something to be said about a good 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:31.400 idea or a good couple of ideas that can be 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:36.520 concisely presented in something that is digestible in an hour 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:38.960 or two. And and I think we I think we've 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:40.960 done a good job here. You know, there's I think 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:45.600 four good solid ideas in the book that people can read, 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:50.480 they can take away, and I hope it helps them 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.240 kind of place a new lens in the way they 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:56.280 view the world. Let's let's talk through those four big ideas. 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.080 Let's start with the first one. What would you say 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.160 one of the big first big ideas is with the book. Well, 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:02.720 the first one is how we opened the book. So 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.839 Mark's opens his book suggesting that the struggle of all 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:09.640 of human history has been the struggle between the oppressor 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:13.160 and the oppressed, and he just arbitrarily states that the 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.280 new version of the oppressor and the oppressed is the 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:19.520 propertied people, so the bourgeoisie versus the unpropertied people, so 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:23.320 the workers, the proletariat. And it's such a like vague 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:28.760 arbitrary definition of like rich verse is poor. And what 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.000 we sort of come out the gates with is no, 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:36.400 no, no no. The struggle has always existed amongst all sorts 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.760 of different classes. I mean, the struggle exists between your 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:42.520 morning self and your afternoon self, between what you want 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:44.480 to do with work. It exists with your friends, your family, 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:49.000 and everyone. So we suggest that there's probably two ideas here. 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:53.520 One is that the struggle is between the the collective 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:57.240 and you know, this sort of coercive nature of the 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:00.280 madness of crowds, and the individual who wants to claim 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:05.200 autonomy and be sovereign and assert his will. So that's 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:07.919 kind of one access of the struggle. And then the 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.200 other one is what I would think is the deepest 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:16.359 struggle in living life and attaining any form of wealth 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:21.919 or resources, which is the choice between acquiring said resources 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:25.720 through cooperative means or through coercive means, or another way 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:29.680 to put that, through economic means, which is the cooperative method, 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:33.479 or through political means, which is the coercive method, And 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:35.200 I think that is sort of like one of the 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:37.120 first things we come out the gate with is that 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.320 that's the real struggle. Like it's not about you know, 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:42.920 one group versus another, It's about do you, you know, 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.360 move forward in life by beating someone over their head 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:48.920 and taking their stuff or do you uh co operate 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.400 with it? So is that the real struggle? So is 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:53.960 that regardless of what other class to maybe and so 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.640 he arbitrary defines two different classes rich and poor. Today 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.919 cultural Marxism says we're all pitted against each other different racist, 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:04.360 sex as, genders, etcetera. But then are you saying that, 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:09.320 then regardless of which class or which identity you fall within, 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:11.960 you can still decide whether you want to be collaborative 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.640 or coercive, if you want to work with each other 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:19.080 or not. Well, let's let's think about it. So, you know, 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:26.720 you're One of the beauties of economics is that historically, 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:31.320 anthropologically biologically speaking, we humans have always formed some sort 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.120 of tribe and we've got like an in group in 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:36.280 an outgroup. And traditionally the way we've dealt within groups 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.640 and out groups is that we've we have quite animosity. 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.960 We have animity with people in the outgroup, and we 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:46.360 have some sort of homogeneity and you know, more communal 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.239 relationship with people in the in group. And you need 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.440 that sort of variation because not everyone's the same. We 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:56.120 have different values, we have different likes and desires, etcetera. Now, 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.800 what economics allows us to do, what trade, what what 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:04.800 racition allows us to do, is we can actually maintain 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.240 these in groups. We can maintain some homogeneity, but we 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.440 can cooperate. We can trade with people that we may 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:14.440 not like, that we may not want to be in 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:18.480 the same group with. And we can also live as 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.880 more multidimensional beings, meaning that we can be part of 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.080 all sorts of different groups. And that's a big piece. 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.560 We need something from another group, yeah, exactly, we need 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.360 something from someone else, we just trade, we cooperate, and 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:33.840 that's like a pillar of uh, you know, a functional 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:38.559 civilization versus going and just taking other people's stuff. Yeah, 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.560 because you think you deserve. Yeah, Like, I mean I 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:43.920 have like my friends I serve with, and like that's 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:45.920 a whole culture on its own, and like if you're 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:47.960 either in or you're out on that sort of culture, 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.680 that's like pretty deep to get into that and you're 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:52.440 you're either on the outside or you're on the inside 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:54.000 of that. But then like I have different friends that 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:55.640 I might go ride mountain bikes with or and then 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:56.680 I have a different set of friends that I got 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.119 write your Bikes with. They're a little bit more open, 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.400 not as not as tight en it as the surfer group. 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.720 But they're completely different group of people. But I want 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:05.400 to align with the motocross people. I want to alyn 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:07.400 with the surf people. Then I have like my business friends, 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.120 so that we have like the bitcoin crowd, and I 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:10.840 have all my bitcoin people and we'll go hang out 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:12.440 with them. And those are just different groups and I 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:14.000 could align with any one of them, but I don't 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:15.760 want to be static and stuck in any one of 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:19.320 those groups either. M hmm. Kind of like that, right. 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:27.400 So I think that malleability or that trans transmutability is important. 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.480 And then this is why identity politics doesn't work, because 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.800 what happens is we And this is probably another big 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:35.719 idea of the book, and this is maybe not a 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:40.959 unique idea, but it's that one must define an individual 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:47.680 by their individual behavior, not the skin, color, tone, or 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:51.280 supposed group that they're in. And then blanket extend that 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.679 to the individual themselves, because that number one, it's unfair 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:56.960 on the individual. But number two, it's just false. It's 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:00.280 just it's just not how it works. Yeah, I want 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:03.040 to I want to explore how this fits into maybe 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:04.839 some of the what I talked about on the on 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.520 the radio, which is this decentralized revolution. So this is 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:12.320 obviously it's a centralizing theory of Marxism, and I think 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:14.560 we're pushing back on individualism, which is more of a 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:17.040 decentralizing theories. We'll talk about that in a minute. You're 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:19.360 listening to the Mark ma Show. We're talking about, of course, 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:22.200 each and every week, the decentralized Revolution. We're talking about 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:25.440 it to the lens of politics, finance, and technology. And 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:27.640 I'm in the studio right now with Alex Fetzki talking 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.040 about the brand new book, The Uncommonist Manifesto and how 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:32.000 it fits into that. We're back with more in a minute. 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.439 Don't go away, we'll be right back. All right, Welcome back. 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:36.760 You are listening to the Mark mo Show talking about 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.920 the decentralized Revolution, talking about the way the world is 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:44.199 swinging from a central system into a decentralized system. Of course, 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:46.880 we're talking about bitcoin and looking at through the lens 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.719 of politics, finance, and technology. And today I'm in the 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:51.680 studio with Alex Fetzki. You can find on on Twitter 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:55.040 at s Fetzky Rights. He's the co author of my 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:57.560 new book. Were co authors together in the new book 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:02.000 called The Uncommunist Manifesto, and I talked about these topics 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.560 through the lens of politics, finance, and technology. And the 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.840 original Communist Manifesto is of course talking about that is 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:11.600 one of the most read books in political science, politics 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:15.280 and economics. UM. It doesn't talk about technology, but it 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.840 was written at a time when technology was changing the world, 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.240 and so I think it hits on those three levers. 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.480 And we've rewritten that book to come up with some 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.839 better ideas for this. UM. You know, Alex, one thing 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:29.640 that I've seen. I just did this big video on 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:31.959 my YouTube channel and I talked about how these E 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:37.720 s G narratives are nothing new and how um the 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:39.760 attack we've seen on Sri Lanka with the farmers and 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:42.680 fertilizers specifically in the farmland and owns in Holland and 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.000 now even just to Judeau in Canada, and it's the 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:47.199 same thing. And then I showed how the same thing 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:50.760 happened in Stalin when he attacked the farmers and took 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:52.280 away their ability to go food, And the same thing 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.400 with Mao and you always attacked the farmers and take 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:57.600 away their food, and then what happens people start to death. Um, 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.320 And I get all these comments and the saying, yeah, 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.960 but you're you have this understanding of socialism and communism 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:05.240 that you're talking about communism, you're not talking about socialism, 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:10.840 and they want to go into that type of I'm like, look, man, communism, socialism, fascism, 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:12.880 whatever you want to call it, it's all the same 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:16.520 to me, collectivism. I mean, what's what's your take on that? Yeah, 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:22.040 it's all a centralizing tendency. Now, you look at where 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:25.760 does centralization work, and it's a it's a it's a 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:31.560 function of scale. In the home you have, like you know, 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:36.280 the father is the centralizing force. He is the the breadwinner, 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:40.520 the you know, the prime property owner, and within his domain, 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:45.920 he has the perfect right to tell his children, you know, 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:47.800 what to do, what they can't do, et cetera, particularly 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.840 when they're growing up. Now, as the children become adults, 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.760 the owners starts to fall on them to become the 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.600 decision makers of their own lives and then take their 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:02.680 life outside of that domain. Right now, Centralization sort of 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:08.320 implies that the constituents that you're managing don't have the 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:11.480 maturity to make decisions on their own. And this is 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:15.480 one of the big takeaways of whether it's socialism, communism, 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:17.480 or all of them, that they're all predicated on this 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:21.880 idea that without some sort of authority in the middle 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.120 um you people would die of starvation, like you know, 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.520 kind of and and Frederick Bastia talks about this in 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:31.760 his book. It's like these the bureaucrats of the politicos 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.960 out there just have this sense that if they didn't 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:37.400 grow the food, we would somehow die of starvation, Like 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.360 if they didn't tell us what to wear, like we 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:41.800 would all be running around naked. If they didn't know 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.439 tell us to build houses and you know, build regulations 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.319 with that stuff, we would somehow be Well. We see 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.680 it even even today, where it's all these people that 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.439 are like, well, if the government doesn't doesn't doesn't tax 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:53.400 us and steal our money, who's going to help the poor, 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.760 Who's going to help the less fortunate? Same same thing, Yeah, 0:12:57.000 --> 0:13:01.959 it is it's the like we never it's I think 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.240 it's tied to just the I think it's a pathology 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:09.320 of of the of the person. Right. So people who 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.080 and you've used this example before, it's like someone who 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:16.640 wouldn't help a poor person themselves then projects that on 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:20.480 the rest of the world and assumes that no one would. Um. Also, 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:23.680 people who lack self discipline and self control, like you 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.200 look at these people and you know the casting guy 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:31.400 from the international settlements, like he's a he's a physical 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:35.400 example of lack of self control. And they project this 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:39.680 own internal inability to maintain and manage their own lives 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:42.760 on everybody else, and then they try and impose control. 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:48.520 So they have this very low ah faith or belief 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:53.640 in the intelligence, the capability, and the ingenuity of the 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.680 human species in general. So they believe they're morons. Everyone's 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:00.240 a moron. So we need to build a a pig 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:06.520 pen essentially and cattle them all in. Um ridiculous, you know. Um, 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:10.520 I think I think there's some truth to that though, Right, 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:13.280 So the majority of people don't think through these things 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:17.200 and and and maybe can't make the best decisions. Um, 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:18.920 But that doesn't mean we should force them to I 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:22.320 think maybe it's through like influence, So influence I made 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:26.920 the statement before, like influence versus power. So like, um, 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.160 I could be in the best shape in the world, 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.800 and I could be living that as an example, and 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.800 anybody who would like to model what I've done with 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.640 my physical fitness for example, Hey, here's my plan, and 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:42.400 you're welcome to have it. But I'm not forcing anybody 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.880 to participate in that. So I think that's influence. And 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:48.080 but then if if we go a little bit further, 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.000 so then you talked about like in a household sit 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.640 a little bit further, Let's say that I started a 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.480 new community and I said, well, anybody's in this community, 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.480 I want them to be athletes because we get together 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.440 on weekends and we do sporting events whatever, um. And 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:04.320 then so I could control maybe this one area, but 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.960 I'm not forcing anybody because people could willingly opt into that. 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:09.920 But then they could also opt out of that at 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.360 the same time. So if it's done on a smaller scale, 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.760 then you think it's okay if people are able to 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:21.360 opt out. Influence is an interesting thing. We're always influencing someone. 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:26.800 I think leaders particularly defined by having a greater influence 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.520 of more people than non leaders, right. I think that, like, 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:32.480 if we had to really distill what the definition of 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.160 a leader is, that's what it is. It's someone who 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.160 shows by example and has influence over others. And they 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:42.280 say the best leaders lead from behind. They lead by example, right, 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:46.520 not by in front? Uh No, well from behind right, 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.160 leading by example, like by by being the servant, right. 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:52.440 I mean if you look at in in front, whatever 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:54.520 you want to call it, but not from on top, 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.280 but maybe side by side. Right, So even if you 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.880 look at the you know, look throughout history, like the 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.680 king would typically go into battle with the people, so 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:05.640 whatever you want to call it, and I guess they 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:07.920 would kind of lead from behind. But what I meant 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:13.040 is by example as opposed to by decree. Correct, And 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.440 that example piece I mean that ties into ideas like 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.360 skin in the game, et cetera. Is that it's not 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.840 making a decision and enforcing something on somebody else. Like 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.280 I just saw a video clip that came out about 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:29.320 the the guy and I don't even know how I 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:32.960 should mention this, but it's the World Economic for not 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.640 the World Economic From but the World Health Organization. Who's 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:40.680 the Ethiopian Yeah, that's it, and they literally just asked him, 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:44.520 They're like, you know, have you taken your doos yet? 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:48.320 And his response was that I'm Ethiopian, I come from 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:51.080 a poor country, and because it's not available there yet, 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:54.840 I've decided not to. You've got to be kidding me. 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:01.400 So so, but that that's that's leading, non example, right, 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:04.200 and that that's that's not leading. That is literally decree. 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:08.359 That is literally what we know deep down is fake 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:11.640 and fraudulent. But that's sort of how the power structures 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:16.440 are arranged at the moment. Yeah, crazy, you know one 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:21.040 thing that you know one thing that I'm encouraged for 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:22.880 this book, And I think the point we gave it 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.360 is actually a matter of fact, just today, based off 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.159 of that video I put out the other day. Just 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:28.639 today I got somebody who hit me up in the 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.200 d M S and said, um, hey, I was talking 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:33.760 to my buddy, I'll talk to someone I know, and 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:36.520 they were telling me that they think communism is such 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:40.080 a better system and I was completely shocked. They would 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.760 say that, could you give me a couple of talking 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:46.240 points that I should come back with. Okay, well you 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.359 could start with what you were shocked by, Like what 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:51.760 is that you know, like start there, but like people 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:56.080 just can't even seem to grasp um these topics or 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.919 how to go through them. I haven't responded to him 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:00.359 me yet, but maybe we could talk through some of 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:02.119 that stuff when we get back. You're listening to the 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:04.399 Mark Moa Show. We're talking about the Decentralized Revolution. I'm 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.719 in the studio with Alex Fetzki, my co author of 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:11.200 the brand new book, the The Uncommunist Manifesto on Amazon 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.119 right now this week. Check it out. We'll be back 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:15.359 with that more in a minute. Don't go away, all right, 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:17.560 welcome back. You are listening to the Mark Moa Show. 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.520 We're talking about the decentralized Revolution. Of course, I'm talking 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:24.440 about bitcoin. I'm looking at it through the lens of politics, finance, 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:28.200 and technology. And today I'm in the studio with Alex Fetzki, 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:30.800 is my co author on a brand new book we 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.600 released this week. It's on Amazon, go check it out. 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:37.920 It's called The Uncommunist Manifesto, not not the Communist It's 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:42.320 the Uncommunist Manifesto. And it's a book that's been written 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:46.760 about politics, finance, and technology, but from a different lens, 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:50.159 so to speak, more of a philosophical lens. Now Alex 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:53.840 before before the break, we're talking about um people who 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.800 um they hear they hear people saying that, oh, Marxism 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:01.439 or communism is so great. Um, and uh, maybe they 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.359 think it's not, but they're not really sure why it's 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:07.640 not or how to respond to that. And I think 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:09.879 this book, I think is is are The goal is 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:11.560 to kind of wake people up to better ideas and 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:13.800 give them some of that. But what would you say 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:18.120 to somebody who's like asking some questions like that? Well, 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:22.199 I think I think there's a couple things that people 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:25.640 who trying to assert communism and socialism is a good 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:28.880 idea generally cling to. And one that came to mind 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:30.320 as we were talking, and I'm just going to give 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:31.520 it a name. I'm going to call it the Star 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:39.639 Trek syndrome. Is this fantasy that somehow technological evolution is 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:42.520 going to transform everything and will come to this utopian 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.680 version of the future where we don't need money anymore. Like, 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:49.240 why would you need money when you have that what's 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:52.760 that the replicator right in Star Trek? You put anything 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:56.359 in there and it creates it for you. And what 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:02.119 that sort of utopian dream fails to realize is that 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:05.280 there's a thing, a pistik little thing called time, and 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:11.520 time flows uni directionally like it flows forward, and that's 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:15.919 the one thing you can't stop, pause, rewind, at least 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.040 not for the next hundred thousand years. Maybe we'll figure 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:21.320 out teleportation one day, but you know that that's a 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:23.560 very different world. So for now, for the next hundred 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:26.639 thousand years, let's just assume that time is fixed and 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:29.159 finite and it's moving in a certain direction, and as 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:33.480 a result, we are going to need to prioritize things. 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:35.440 So even if we could, let's say, in the next 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:39.760 hundred years, create the replicator for the next years, beyond 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:42.920 that years, we're still going to have the issue of time. 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:45.320 So it's still even if we had complete abundance of 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:47.560 energy and materials, we would still need to order things 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:51.320 in some sense, so we still need to have correct 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:55.520 This is once again why the existence of something like 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:59.960 money is necessary. Like the technology of money enables us 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:04.520 prioritize And how do we utilize that technology. Well, we 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:09.760 utilize it as a means to get information in the marketplace, 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:12.200 which is prices, and the only way to do that 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:17.680 is to enable the information flow to occur freely. Communism 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:20.320 wants to do away with all of that, get away, 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:24.280 do away with prices, set everything stagnant, and create this 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:28.879 perfectly engineered closed system that doesn't involve prices, economics and 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:33.080 all of this. They're living in a fantasy land. They 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:35.960