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Speaker 1: I use it. I think it's really fantastic. So as
Speaker 1: we're here, here were you? We are the second part
Speaker 1: of this with Jillian Jacqueline and it was going so
Speaker 1: well the first time, I thought, let's just break it
Speaker 1: up into two, So the first time I've ever done
Speaker 1: a part two with an artist. If you listen to
Speaker 1: this now, check out part one with Jillian because some
Speaker 1: of this may not make sense if you don't hear
Speaker 1: part one, so check that out. In part two, there's
Speaker 1: a whole story that coming up about a monk I'll
Speaker 1: just leave it there, or how she met a monk
Speaker 1: and it changed her course of her life, and it's
Speaker 1: pretty wildly. Let me recommend to you the Red Aikins
Speaker 1: episode and the Morgan Number two episode and the Bobby
Speaker 1: Cast as well. Jake Owen has a good podcast called
Speaker 1: Good Company with Jake Owen. The guys at Whiskey Riff
Speaker 1: have a very fan oriented podcast called Whiskey Riff Raff,
Speaker 1: so check that out. And then new one from Velvet's Edge,
Speaker 1: which is Style Fashion that starts April fourth. So I
Speaker 1: don't know when you hear this, but thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Let's get into episode part number two. There we go,
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Is episode one last twelve Holy
Speaker 1: keep all right, Jillian Jacqueline, here you go. All right,
Speaker 1: back part two of the Jillian Jacqueline Bobby Cast. You
Speaker 1: like the chairs, I really like them. It's sort of
Speaker 1: one of those chairs where you can't sit up. You
Speaker 1: have to sit back and relax, so you just kind
Speaker 1: of feel like you're doing like an awkward lean back
Speaker 1: and your neck feels weird. But and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you've become still relaxed. You just still like
Speaker 1: crying and talking about your mom. People have cried in
Speaker 1: here before. Yeah, yeah, well we talked about this. Um
Speaker 1: let me say this because the last one we left
Speaker 1: off on was I got the weirdest text from Jillian
Speaker 1: before you get to my house, Because first of all,
Speaker 1: I said, hey, if you want to bring your fiance,
Speaker 1: bring them because I like them most of the time
Speaker 1: people to come do this, they may bring somebody if
Speaker 1: I know that very well. Um so a lot of
Speaker 1: times they won't. Sometimes they won't. It just depends. But
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, I like your fiance. If you
Speaker 1: guys are just tell him to come over. I'm cool,
Speaker 1: like I'm going out, yeah, and you're like, no, now
Speaker 1: coming alone. So I said, okay, cool, cool, cool, And
Speaker 1: then you said yeah, but give me water. And I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, this is a newer model home,
Speaker 1: like we have an icebox. That was just me being weird,
Speaker 1: but I just I was really thirsty and I didn't
Speaker 1: know if I should stop at a gas station for
Speaker 1: some water. We had water like bottles water, it's drinks
Speaker 1: in smart water. Yeah I did. I don't I have to.
Speaker 1: I have to peel a lot, usually too much information,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to have to get up. I
Speaker 1: have a whole peeing thing where I try to hydrate
Speaker 1: myself because we're always dehydrated, always humans, always dehydrated, and
Speaker 1: if we don't, even if we don't feel it, we're
Speaker 1: still dehydrated. But if you drink the right amount of water,
Speaker 1: you have to pee all the time, which it keeps
Speaker 1: you up at night and you're not giving the right sleep.
Speaker 1: It's just a mess. I know on plane, this mess
Speaker 1: as you would say that I just made on the floor,
Speaker 1: because yeah, on trains, train, on planes, um and plays,
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta keep drinking water for your skin
Speaker 1: to stay hydrated. But then you have to get up.
Speaker 1: I am always the person on planes who's like everyone's
Speaker 1: like she's walking back there again, like constantly just going
Speaker 1: back to go pe. So do you eyele it? Then
Speaker 1: if you have to be all the time, because if
Speaker 1: you don't aiel it in your windowing it, you have
Speaker 1: to make people move. Yeah, I always try to eyeland. Well.
Speaker 1: The good thing with me and Brian, my fiance, we
Speaker 1: he travels with me because he plays guitar for me,
Speaker 1: so I always have a guaranteed like seat holder. And
Speaker 1: he is one of those people that he goes on
Speaker 1: the app for the UM airline like two days before
Speaker 1: to make sure he has the right seat. I'm not
Speaker 1: that kind of person, but he always makes sure he
Speaker 1: will never sit at the window. That would make him panic.
Speaker 1: So I only said at the window, what if you
Speaker 1: have to climb over? What if they fall asleep? That's
Speaker 1: my worst nightmare. Well, so that happens, and I will
Speaker 1: if I don't know the person, I won't. I'll just
Speaker 1: hold it internally injured myself. I know, well, but most
Speaker 1: of the time I'm not. Might Be always travels with
Speaker 1: me because he produces the radio show on the road
Speaker 1: or he didn't really does that. He does ten minutes
Speaker 1: stand up before I go out, He sell merch, he
Speaker 1: does everything, so he rides and he either was sitting
Speaker 1: aisle or he also knows if I don't want to
Speaker 1: sit by anyone, so he just eliminates the person syndrome.
Speaker 1: He's always feel like somebody's sitting next to me and
Speaker 1: they're sick, and I mean it's sick, I can't do
Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, you wear those little masks, ever I don't, Yes,
Speaker 1: if I think they scare people, So I don't want
Speaker 1: to wear one if I'm sick because I'm worried about
Speaker 1: other people, because I wish they would be worried about me,
Speaker 1: which they're not. I'll cover my mouth. Yeah. When I
Speaker 1: was in Japan, everybody wore them, everybody, and I said,
Speaker 1: this is the greatest culture ever. There's no litter. People
Speaker 1: have on masks. They're kind. I was like an NBA player.
Speaker 1: I was walking around having a duct was on that.
Speaker 1: And I've never been anywhere in my life. I go
Speaker 1: up in Arkansas until I was twenty seven. Any vacation,
Speaker 1: right and ever? Anywhere? Yeah? What did Japan? I was like, what,
Speaker 1: it's a different world. I've never been there. My mom's been.
Speaker 1: She said it was very clean. She said, what you said,
Speaker 1: and she said on like the public transportation. Everyone sits
Speaker 1: like not. They don't touch each other like in New
Speaker 1: York City. They don't get close, and they if they cough,
Speaker 1: you know, the coffer quiet the Yeah, it's amazing. It's
Speaker 1: pretty cool. And I'm tall, Yeah you'd be you'd be average.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's awesome. Oh well, so I went to Thailand
Speaker 1: after college for three months and I was like a
Speaker 1: giant white Wow, just went to Thailand for three months. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I went to Thailand and then Vietnam and Cambodia with
Speaker 1: my mom. She lives in Thailand, so I went with
Speaker 1: her right like literally the day after I graduated college,
Speaker 1: I flew to Bangkok and I lived there. I taught
Speaker 1: English at a school. Yeah, what is happening here? Yeah,
Speaker 1: tell me about this and what's that. What's that experience? Like, Um,
Speaker 1: it's incredible. It was. I got restless after a while
Speaker 1: because I needed something to do. But I randomly met
Speaker 1: this monk when I was like at a temple walking
Speaker 1: around just as a tourist. Yeah, and I it is
Speaker 1: such a weird story. But you know the monks, they
Speaker 1: wear orange robes, but they also carry cellphones like in
Speaker 1: their robes today. This was, I mean how many years ago?
Speaker 1: Seven years ago? So anyway, I this monk came up
Speaker 1: to me and he was like, I had this cell phone.
Speaker 1: He was talking to someone on the phone and he
Speaker 1: handed it to me and this woman he knew I
Speaker 1: was American obviously, and so this woman was on the
Speaker 1: other end of the line and she was like, Hello,
Speaker 1: do you speak English? And I said yes, and she
Speaker 1: said hi, I'm so and so, um, he handed me
Speaker 1: the phone because he knows you can speak English. Um,
Speaker 1: our English teacher just broke her leg. She like tripped
Speaker 1: on the street. Um do you want to teach English
Speaker 1: at our school? I'm not kidding? And I was like,
Speaker 1: um sure, And I actually had wanted to get my
Speaker 1: teaching certificate to teach English. So I was like, the
Speaker 1: gods have like shined down on me, and I just
Speaker 1: did it. I taught these kids at this school at
Speaker 1: the temple for about a month and I had no
Speaker 1: idea what he was doing, but I just kind of
Speaker 1: like so I didn't speak high so all they wanted
Speaker 1: me to do was read them English words. They wanted
Speaker 1: me to read to these kids in English and explain like,
Speaker 1: you know, show a picture of a ug and say bug,
Speaker 1: show a picture of fork and say fork, like that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. They were like six and seven years old.
Speaker 1: So a monk with a cell phone got you a
Speaker 1: job teaching English in Thailand? Is that the greatest story
Speaker 1: you've ever heard in the podcast? But this is the
Speaker 1: point of the story, is he knew I was American
Speaker 1: because I I was massive compared to all these tiny
Speaker 1: Thai people. And I was like sweating all the time
Speaker 1: because I wasn't used to the heat, and you know,
Speaker 1: I yeah, I just like stood out like a sore thumb.
Speaker 1: So I did that, and then um, you know, we
Speaker 1: went to Vietnam and Cambodi and just kind of explored
Speaker 1: and then I honestly I had one of my crying
Speaker 1: on the bathroom floor moments there and I was like
Speaker 1: what am I doing. I have to go back to
Speaker 1: start my life because I just graduated, and I I
Speaker 1: really wanted to get to Nashville. So I I left
Speaker 1: and flew back, and then I was at my dad's
Speaker 1: house for like a couple of weeks, and then he
Speaker 1: flew me down in Nashville with I had like one bag,
Speaker 1: and my sisters already lived here. They were signed to
Speaker 1: Sony Bobby shaming me my mouth noises, That's just how
Speaker 1: I cleared my throat to go before the podcast said, Hey,
Speaker 1: you're popping a bit like the first time. All right,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm very conscious of it now. Um So, anyway,
Speaker 1: my sisters were already living in Nashville, signed to Sony
Speaker 1: as the Luna Bells, and so I moved in with them.
Speaker 1: I like slept on a foodton in my sister's room. No.
Speaker 1: Two older and one younger. So they were a band,
Speaker 1: all of them without you. Um, we grew up in
Speaker 1: a family band to the four of us. Now I
Speaker 1: knew you did that. I knew there was a group,
Speaker 1: a sister dynamic. What are you called, like the Little
Speaker 1: Women or something? Okay, yeah, but wait, how did you
Speaker 1: get disconnected from them? Though? When I was sixteen and
Speaker 1: when our parents around the time that our parents were
Speaker 1: getting divorced. It took a couple of years. I decided
Speaker 1: to leave the band. I wanted to go back to
Speaker 1: high school for two years, and I wanted to do
Speaker 1: my own thing creatively as an artist. So I was
Speaker 1: working with my own producer and um, going to high
Speaker 1: school and yeah, I just kind of exited the family group.
Speaker 1: You left, the group of sisters. Yeah, and then they
Speaker 1: moved to Nashville without me and they got a deal.
Speaker 1: Are you like, what was that thinking? Yeah, for a minute,
Speaker 1: I was pretty like, Wow, would they have let you
Speaker 1: back in? I don't think so. My sister took over
Speaker 1: lead singing and so I band. Yeah, dah yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's all it worked out the way. What are they
Speaker 1: doing now? Um, they're in New York City in l
Speaker 1: A and one of them is a mom. Yeah, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh. My youngest sister, Gaby is an incredible artist.
Speaker 1: She just randomly started painting and she's incredible. I'm not kidding. Like,
Speaker 1: she has an Instagram. It's Gabrielle Luccia. It's Gabriella Luccia, Gabriella,
Speaker 1: Gabriella with one ELM, Gabriella Lucci l u c I
Speaker 1: A and I think it's Gabrielle Lucia Arts. That's her Instagram.
Speaker 1: She's so great, she's she's so good. She was the
Speaker 1: drummer and she's a really good drummer. And honestly, when
Speaker 1: I can, I want to bring her on the road
Speaker 1: with me. I want her to be my drummer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be really cool. But right now she's in
Speaker 1: New York City and she loves it there. And then
Speaker 1: my other sister, Dominique, is in l A. She actually
Speaker 1: dates Shawn Watkins from Nickel Creek and they tour together.
Speaker 1: She plays piano. They make records and they're happy and
Speaker 1: in love and they have chickens and silver Lake very
Speaker 1: l A. That's cool. Yeah, wow, look at you. You You
Speaker 1: leave the sister band where you're the lead singer. What balls? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was time. They were pissed, and my mom was
Speaker 1: pretty upset too because she had sort of been our
Speaker 1: manager for most of our childhood and she didn't want
Speaker 1: us to be broken up. But it started happening more
Speaker 1: so when I was young, because I was with Kenny
Speaker 1: Rogers and his management company only wanted to sign me
Speaker 1: when I was because you were the singer. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I was the singer and and uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: had started sort of the whole thing. So that sort
Speaker 1: of became an issue because I was getting opportunities on
Speaker 1: my own without them, and I kind of liked that.
Speaker 1: But they were still good enough without you to get
Speaker 1: a record deal. They were great. You guys must have
Speaker 1: been phenomenon. The lead singer and the group. Well, we're
Speaker 1: all very driven, passionate people, and nothing was going to
Speaker 1: stop them. And they were very talented. They are very talented,
Speaker 1: so and they wanted it, you know. So you come,
Speaker 1: first of all, where are you born? Chester Springs, Pennsylvania. Okay,
Speaker 1: so what's Chester Springs, Pensylvania Like. It's a boring suburb
Speaker 1: outside of Philadelphia. It's got a couple of high schools.
Speaker 1: It's like it kind of looks like Franklin, Tennessee when
Speaker 1: you drive out too. So how did you get into
Speaker 1: country music? My mom is from Charleston, South Carolina, and
Speaker 1: she just only ever listened to country, and so from
Speaker 1: the time I was a baby, I mean, we only
Speaker 1: listen to country. Patsy Klein was the first thing I
Speaker 1: heard and then you know, all the nineties country. I
Speaker 1: really didn't grow up with the super traditional, like I
Speaker 1: didn't listen to a lot of Whalen Jennings or Merle
Speaker 1: Haggard or Johnny Cash. I got into that stuff later.
Speaker 1: It was more so nineties like whatever was on the
Speaker 1: radio on like the popular country radio station. So you know,
Speaker 1: Tricia Yearwood and Patty Lovelace and um. I was a
Speaker 1: huge fan of just you know, all of them. I mean,
Speaker 1: Garth Brooks, Trace Adkins, whatever, Dwight Yoakum. You know. So
Speaker 1: you go and you're playing music with your sisters, you're
Speaker 1: being schooled, I'm assuming on the road, yeah, but out
Speaker 1: I mean homeschool feels like you're in the only in
Speaker 1: the house, but you're traveling, right. Yeah. Yeah, we did
Speaker 1: a lot of road tripping. We actually had laptops and
Speaker 1: there was a curriculum on the laptop that we would
Speaker 1: all learn from. Drink water. I think you pulled it up.
Speaker 1: Have a drinking yeah so much. Yeah. No, we were
Speaker 1: all sort of taught to gravitate towards the things that
Speaker 1: we really enjoyed, and we had to obviously do all
Speaker 1: the subjects. But like I loved history and language arts,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to write and read books all day.
Speaker 1: So that's what I did most of the time. Yes,
Speaker 1: I have, I want to. Yeah I will eventually, at
Speaker 1: some point we'll hold up somewhere and start writing everything
Speaker 1: down because my childhood was was pretty insane. So you
Speaker 1: want to write a nonfiction Oh yeah, I want to
Speaker 1: write like my the story. Yeah yeah, it's interesting. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe not like for anyone else to read, but I
Speaker 1: just want to write. I want to process it though.
Speaker 1: I was talking about this with Brian the other day, Sorry,
Speaker 1: my fiance, and I was saying how I read books
Speaker 1: when I was younger, these autobiographical books by incredible authors,
Speaker 1: and they would describe to me their lives and when
Speaker 1: when they were kids and their parents, and they would
Speaker 1: do it with such reality that I would relate my
Speaker 1: own life to them, and and it would make me
Speaker 1: think about my parents the way they thought about theirs.
Speaker 1: And so I think there's like power to sort of
Speaker 1: telling your story because it encourages other people to think
Speaker 1: about there's that way too. I think you bring up
Speaker 1: a good point and something I didn't learn until I
Speaker 1: actually wrote a book. And I never planned to write
Speaker 1: a book, like a book that adults would read. I
Speaker 1: wanted to write a kid's book, and I put out
Speaker 1: a kid's record and the record was actually pretty good
Speaker 1: for a kid's record. I thought it was, and it
Speaker 1: sold well. Cracker Barrel bought it and they just sold it.
Speaker 1: Cracker Barrel was like it was it was a good
Speaker 1: enough kids record to like matter, and I said, okay, Like,
Speaker 1: I want to provide an influence for children because I
Speaker 1: didn't have many positive influences. And so I started shopping
Speaker 1: this kid's book idea. Nobody wants it. No one knows
Speaker 1: who I am. You're not supposed to. I'm going to
Speaker 1: New York in la office. They don't have think about
Speaker 1: contry music. I don't think about my radio show, nor
Speaker 1: should they. But nope, nope, nope, over and over nope,
Speaker 1: no no, so n no. I'm in the office and
Speaker 1: they say, hey, the idea of the kids book idea.
Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of kids books and they're expensive,
Speaker 1: but you should hire an illustrator. And but your life story,
Speaker 1: we were wicked pitting you tell us about your life story.
Speaker 1: I said, okay, here's what happened. To tell my story.
Speaker 1: So when you write a book about that, And I thought,
Speaker 1: I'll try, but I don't think anybody can relate. And
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone wants to hear my story because
Speaker 1: who cares? That's what I really what I thought, like,
Speaker 1: who's gonna care what I have to say? And so
Speaker 1: I write this book and I'm miserable the whole time.
Speaker 1: No I'm telling you that to me because I haven't
Speaker 1: reliving it sucks, but I you know, I go to
Speaker 1: a therapist for that, and sometimes I just hide it
Speaker 1: and stuff in the hole and doesn't come out. But
Speaker 1: I just felt embarrassed because I thought, here's this book
Speaker 1: that I put a lot of me into that nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna care about because no one's gonna understand that. No
Speaker 1: one's gonna read it. But I would go out too
Speaker 1: shows and listeners will go, hey, you know what, it
Speaker 1: really resonant and it was one of the small details.
Speaker 1: And I thought, knowing what every even, it has to
Speaker 1: be like with music, when you put a song out
Speaker 1: and someone goes, oh that song, I get, this is
Speaker 1: how it relates. And that's what happened to me with
Speaker 1: my book. Did I I just thought it was the
Speaker 1: most uninteresting self and all get times the piece of garbage.
Speaker 1: But it was honest, interesting and I felt horribly embarrassed. Well,
Speaker 1: you're so right, though, Like I don't think we all
Speaker 1: realize how alike we are in our stories, you know.
Speaker 1: I think when we all really start looking at like
Speaker 1: the intricacies of our lives, we all have really weird
Speaker 1: ship going on, and we don't talk about it. We
Speaker 1: don't talk about it, which is but it's not it's
Speaker 1: normal for all of us if we were honest. You
Speaker 1: know that. My second book it's really about that. It's
Speaker 1: about how we don't talk about all the crappy stuff
Speaker 1: we go through, the failures because it's not cool to
Speaker 1: share it, so then we feel like we're doing it alone. Totally. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I talked to Lori McKenna about this, because you know,
Speaker 1: I've always looked at her songs as these like microscopes
Speaker 1: on life and on marriage and family. And she puts
Speaker 1: in all the details like the color of the dress
Speaker 1: and the water coming from the kitchen sink and the
Speaker 1: where where the sun was and whatever the dirt on
Speaker 1: the floor, and it's so specific. That's why it resonates,
Speaker 1: because she's actually painting the picture for you and you
Speaker 1: can see yourself in that story. And um, you know,
Speaker 1: I think sometimes what frustrates me about popular music is
Speaker 1: the lack of color, the lack of truth, Like I
Speaker 1: want to know what you were doing in that moment,
Speaker 1: you know, not just what like anyone can relate to.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, I'm trying. I'm pulling this over into songwriting.
Speaker 1: But for me, yeah, I mean for me, that's like,
Speaker 1: you know, that's what I'm always trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how to do better in songs, is to like tell
Speaker 1: people something that no one else could tell them except me,
Speaker 1: but that they will understand. Yeah, that feels hard to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's why a few people can do it.
Speaker 1: AT's just such a high level. Yeah, that's why Laurie
Speaker 1: is fantastic at what she does. You know, you hear
Speaker 1: a humbling kind Laura. That's prob girl. I meant, just
Speaker 1: google Laura McKenna and you'll see all the big songs
Speaker 1: she's written. But I think the simplicity yet the depth
Speaker 1: of humble and kind if you can nail them both,
Speaker 1: and she did in that song. She did. She's one
Speaker 1: of the few that her natural instincts have turned into
Speaker 1: hit songs like that. She writes them all by herself,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know it's yeah, that's that's rare because
Speaker 1: that's just what she does, like as an artist herself.
Speaker 1: But when Tim mcgrassings it actually works too, So you know,
Speaker 1: that's an incredible accomplishment. I'm still learning from her all
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Speaker 1: song here, You've got all of this is reasons. This
Speaker 1: is the one that's making a big play at the
Speaker 1: radio chart right now. So how did you guys decide
Speaker 1: on this song? You have? You know, you go, you
Speaker 1: have this whole packet of songs because you didn't just
Speaker 1: make one and go this is the one. Get a
Speaker 1: whole handful of songs. This was the song I was
Speaker 1: most excited about. Honestly, this song felt really brave and
Speaker 1: bold and production wise, it really excited I did me.
Speaker 1: I felt like tofer and I kind of did something
Speaker 1: that we hadn't done before and it felt like really new. Um,
Speaker 1: it felt like me like I haven't heard I don't
Speaker 1: want to be a quit or. I don't want to
Speaker 1: have to day answer, Like everybody asked me, why what
Speaker 1: do you think hearing this song now? For the time,
Speaker 1: Like what's going through your head? Right? Then it can
Speaker 1: be maybe just want to get out of here? But
Speaker 1: what's going Uh? It feels weird that that's like that
Speaker 1: actually happened to me. What happened to you? Um that
Speaker 1: after being with someone for that long, like it completely
Speaker 1: just like fell apart and then I wrote songs about it.
Speaker 1: I've never been that person. So when I like really
Speaker 1: started writing songs in Nashville, I was dating that person,
Speaker 1: so and I was writing pretty um songs that had
Speaker 1: nothing to do with love. I actually was like, adamantly,
Speaker 1: I don't want to write about relationships. I have other
Speaker 1: things to say. I put out an entire EP that
Speaker 1: was not about love and relationships at all. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm bored. I don't want I don't want to be
Speaker 1: a female talking about that stuff. So I avoided it
Speaker 1: at all costs. And also, I don't know how to
Speaker 1: say this, but I really didn't have the inspiration to
Speaker 1: write love songs in the relationship that I was in.
Speaker 1: And that sounds harsh, but it's kind of true. I
Speaker 1: just I wasn't there in my heart. So now hearing
Speaker 1: this back and realizing that I literally that happened, and
Speaker 1: that happening to me became the the moment that my
Speaker 1: entire perspective as a songwriter shifted. It was almost like
Speaker 1: it had to happen. It had to happen for me
Speaker 1: to get to where I am now, because I mean,
Speaker 1: those songs wouldn't exist, obviously, and that level of transparency
Speaker 1: in me as an artist wouldn't exist. I mean, I
Speaker 1: put my story into these songs, and he was a
Speaker 1: real person. He is a real person, you know, we
Speaker 1: had a real life together. And oh now it's sad,
Speaker 1: I guess, but it also feels weird that, like all
Speaker 1: these wonderful things have happened in my career because of
Speaker 1: that honesty. Do you feel that your pain has has
Speaker 1: been what's been the catapult of your creativity, so therefore
Speaker 1: you must suffer more pain to create more? Are you
Speaker 1: one of those Well, I agree with the first half.
Speaker 1: I'm still struggling with the second half of what you
Speaker 1: said of I need to suffer more. I think I
Speaker 1: believe that for a long time, I think part of
Speaker 1: me still feels like art is suffering, and um, life
Speaker 1: isn't supposed to be happy, you know. I think life
Speaker 1: is supposed to be interesting. Um, they're supposed to be
Speaker 1: happy moments. But I think I've always sort of found
Speaker 1: this beauty in like the very dark stuff. And uh,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out if if I know how
Speaker 1: to be an artist without without the heavy stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer that pain is the only reason
Speaker 1: that I'm able to do anything creative. And it's a
Speaker 1: bad place, and I'm told I have to get out
Speaker 1: of the Yeah, I probably do too, But again, Adele
Speaker 1: is Adele for a reason. I mean, we love listening
Speaker 1: to her sing about her heartbreak because it feels so
Speaker 1: raw and real when she does it. So I I
Speaker 1: have argued that for a long time that all of
Speaker 1: the greatest people in the world were so tortured, I mean,
Speaker 1: the greatest of anything that they could do. The artists,
Speaker 1: you know, the painters, the singers, the writers were i
Speaker 1: mean alcoholics and just completely miserable for most of their existence.
Speaker 1: Why maybe, because that level of suffering allows you to
Speaker 1: tap into like the most real form of being a human.
Speaker 1: I have this argument with one of my friends. All
Speaker 1: the time that I think to be truly different and creative,
Speaker 1: something has to be off about you or you're not
Speaker 1: able to produce something that's off. What do your friends say? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: he's he says, no, man, you can just be really
Speaker 1: good at something. So yeah, there's a difference. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think in order to do something that's off, you have
Speaker 1: to kind of be off someone from a well adjusted
Speaker 1: with no sign of mental illness. Because I think I
Speaker 1: have a bit of that, like I really do. And
Speaker 1: I don't say it's a stigma because I I what
Speaker 1: do you mean? I think that you have to produce
Speaker 1: something that's different. You have to be different, and something
Speaker 1: has to be affecting that different. It could be how
Speaker 1: you're going up, It could be something chemically, it could
Speaker 1: be something you put in yourself with chemicals. But I
Speaker 1: think that to put out different, you have to be different.
Speaker 1: And he just doesn't agree. No, No, a lot of
Speaker 1: well adjusted Uh you know, yeah, I would agree with
Speaker 1: you on that. I think that people people that have
Speaker 1: something a little bit off or unique, or they just
Speaker 1: seem sort of like hell bent to make their life
Speaker 1: really difficult. Those are the people that are crazy enough
Speaker 1: to really sit in like the ship of life. Like
Speaker 1: they will sit there and they will think about it,
Speaker 1: and they will write about it, and they will cry
Speaker 1: about it, and I will feel it or they'll like
Speaker 1: do something to know how much they feel it. But
Speaker 1: it has to be an extreme one way or the other. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's hard to produce something different if you're
Speaker 1: not different. And I think that it's hard to actually
Speaker 1: talk about the difficulties without having been in them. You know.
Speaker 1: I if I go, let's say I'm getting married, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna go to a priest. It's never been married.
Speaker 1: And I have this problem with therapist. If they haven't
Speaker 1: been through some real garbage times, how are they going
Speaker 1: to understand what I've been through? And I don't think
Speaker 1: I've been to the worst, but I need someone that
Speaker 1: can only understand which So do you like vet them
Speaker 1: sit down? So what's your childhood? Like you can laugh
Speaker 1: at that's exactly where. Yeah, And they don't want to
Speaker 1: share a lot of times, but that's okay. I can
Speaker 1: feel them out because I need to know how they
Speaker 1: grew up, because how are they going to understand me
Speaker 1: if they don't understand what I've come from? Again, not
Speaker 1: the best not the worst. So you don't think like
Speaker 1: a healthy objective viewpoint is necessary. I think healthy is relative. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess you're right. I think healthy is completely relative.
Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone really has a healthy viewpoint
Speaker 1: an objective, yes, and that's why I go. But I
Speaker 1: don't think anyone's healthy. I don't think that exists. Well,
Speaker 1: I think a good therapist should be able to tell
Speaker 1: you about their stuff, like I think they should divulge
Speaker 1: and not make you feel so alone. So with me, now,
Speaker 1: I'm have a guy, I'm not I can't stay with
Speaker 1: a guy and he's fantastic. I just I grew up
Speaker 1: with a mom. Then I was adopting my grandma for
Speaker 1: a bit, and my mom left and my mom, uh
Speaker 1: my grandma had me, and then I had a bunch
Speaker 1: of sisters. So only I'm comfortable with women. So to
Speaker 1: talk to a dude is so uncomfortable for me, and
Speaker 1: it's not fair to him. But if I can't feel
Speaker 1: like in a safe spot, yeah, you're gonna have a
Speaker 1: break up coming, I know, but I don't. I just
Speaker 1: don't feel comfortable. It's and I have trouble anyway connecting. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: I lie in my song last night, This song I played,
Speaker 1: um tragic. You know, it says I found a cheap therapist.
Speaker 1: I haven't. I don't. I went to someone like two
Speaker 1: times and she's awesome, but I have yet to find
Speaker 1: like an actual therapist that I want. Though, until you
Speaker 1: spend five times with them, you just didn't go enough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just, I mean really well, I'm the kind of
Speaker 1: person I walk in there and I'm like, okay, beyond
Speaker 1: your best behavior, just say all the right things, like
Speaker 1: I try to win them over. Like that's so counterproductive
Speaker 1: to what's happening here. It's like dating or a reality show,
Speaker 1: meaning eventually the cameras are just there at first, like
Speaker 1: cameras there. We gotta be act a certain ways that
Speaker 1: eventually you're just on the real world and the cameras
Speaker 1: are there and it's just a part of life. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I found that if I don't invest time and dating them,
Speaker 1: how am I going to marry them? So I have
Speaker 1: to date. And it's what's the longest relationship you've had
Speaker 1: with a therapist? Probably four years? And I moved from
Speaker 1: all and I still would FaceTime and then it was
Speaker 1: just like a long distance relationship with face and then
Speaker 1: I just so you know, you needed the physical concept.
Speaker 1: I needed to be held accountable and on FaceTime, you're
Speaker 1: not held accountable. And this other guy went too, was younger.
Speaker 1: He's like a fe years younger than Yeah. I was like,
Speaker 1: you're talking about you younger than I felt like going, hey, dude,
Speaker 1: I'll call the shots here. I'm a few years older. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this session is over. Well. I kind of always feel
Speaker 1: like I have the worst, darkest thoughts that I could
Speaker 1: tell no one, and I don't. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be sitting across from this person thinking, oh my god,
Speaker 1: if they knew that what I've thought, like, that would
Speaker 1: be horrible. Like I I need to be with someone
Speaker 1: that can get in the trenches with me, which they
Speaker 1: need to understand. She's back to my point. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't want someone that has never been in the trenches
Speaker 1: to get in the trenches, right, Yeah, that's true. But
Speaker 1: you know, I don't listen. I don't know you're meant
Speaker 1: I have to go to someone sometimes just no, I
Speaker 1: should probably going regularly with the way my life is
Speaker 1: right now, there's a lot of things changing and happening,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm one of those people where I
Speaker 1: will go until I break, like until I have to
Speaker 1: be in bed for a full day because I can't function,
Speaker 1: Like I will do that just because have you done
Speaker 1: the angiogram? No, but everybody talks about it, right, Well,
Speaker 1: you're definitely a three, So I'm a three anyway. I
Speaker 1: we are the achiever, but I'm pretty sure you're three.
Speaker 1: But like the three is so good at when everything's
Speaker 1: busy and there's chaos and lots going on, we're like, yes,
Speaker 1: like coasting, so happy, functional, yes, But the minute that
Speaker 1: something changes from that, we panic and we like spiral
Speaker 1: so fast and we just crave like busy, busy, busy,
Speaker 1: always busy. And so to actually have to look ourselves
Speaker 1: in the mirror and like think about ourselves and our
Speaker 1: lives is so painful. Like I can't meditate to save
Speaker 1: my life. I have tried and tried. You it's so
Speaker 1: hard for me. Yeah, I just ended turning TV LAMB
Speaker 1: back on, and I'm like a screw it, turned mom
Speaker 1: or friends back on because I've tried. It's really hard.
Speaker 1: I had a terrible PTSD. I've been robbed and jumped
Speaker 1: a few times, and so just in different places with work,
Speaker 1: people have put guns to my head and you know,
Speaker 1: just a man, I've had some crazy experience and it
Speaker 1: really eff me up. Yeah, I've never had that, and
Speaker 1: so I couldn't sleep for years, and now I got
Speaker 1: addicted sleeping bills because it's the only way I was sleeping.
Speaker 1: And so I was like, okay, I'm just gonna meditate.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn everything off. I'm gonna set like Buddha does.
Speaker 1: And I tried. I like I swear to god, I tried. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I tried as hard as I effort, and I would
Speaker 1: go okay, and I would try to find my place
Speaker 1: and just center on it, and then all of a sudden, well,
Speaker 1: I stick fifteen tomorrow, I gonna do this, and I okay,
Speaker 1: stop it, stop, push everything back away, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, what a my friends, my dogs up
Speaker 1: on Twitter. I couldn't focus. I know, I feel you.
Speaker 1: I'm the same way. I don't know what it's going
Speaker 1: to take, but someday I will crack that meditation. I
Speaker 1: just don't think you are, because because we're about the
Speaker 1: rays on the idio idiot scam what's it called. That's amazing? No,
Speaker 1: I say that too, but you've already shown with your
Speaker 1: lack of commitment to a therapist. That chaos. You're like me,
Speaker 1: you chase chaos. I do sort of believe that if
Speaker 1: I get like healthy, like whatever healthy is, I won't
Speaker 1: have Yeah, I like won't know who I am any
Speaker 1: This is what I just asked you do. You have
Speaker 1: to be in a bad place and that doesn't mean relationship.
Speaker 1: But you're answering all the questions like five paragraphs later.
Speaker 1: I can't help it. I'm a rambler. No, it's not
Speaker 1: fashion radio talk. You're talking yourself into answers. You just
Speaker 1: said way later that you need this crap and if
Speaker 1: you don't have it, yes, you have to go find it.
Speaker 1: So what you just said, like the way you just
Speaker 1: described how I answer things is the way I live
Speaker 1: my life. I think I have it all figured out,
Speaker 1: but I'm going through it and then years later it's
Speaker 1: like late Lumor times a thousand, I'm like, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: I get it now. Okay, that's embarrassing that that took
Speaker 1: me that long. Like, I don't my processing is it's
Speaker 1: very meandering, But you know I get there eventually. Isn't
Speaker 1: that all the matters that you get there eventually? I
Speaker 1: need to do a commercial anything quickly? No good, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is bleacher. This one feels I've been different than
Speaker 1: the rest of the record. Would you agree with that
Speaker 1: than the rest of the the body of music? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and maybe just because it feels super happy. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is probably maybe like alter ego song, But that part
Speaker 1: of me exists, you know, I have that, and there
Speaker 1: are a lot of songs coming on the rest of
Speaker 1: the album that I feel like that. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: because there's songs like Holier than Thou too that sort
Speaker 1: of have a sense of humor. But um, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's part of me. There's a I mean I've always
Speaker 1: argued this about artists because it wasn't a bad thing.
Speaker 1: I was making an observation when I listened to the record,
Speaker 1: It's like, because I love sad music too, It's all
Speaker 1: I listened to. If I'm picking the music, it's all
Speaker 1: sad music. So I think that's why. I also was
Speaker 1: like down with your sound, was like this is it?
Speaker 1: I love it, and then Bleachers comes on. I'm like
Speaker 1: next time. I think it's a great song. But it
Speaker 1: was just different than the risk, Like sonically it is different.
Speaker 1: We had fun with it. Yeah, how I got funky.
Speaker 1: I like it. You made me feel like I said
Speaker 1: I I never said anything about it. I don't know
Speaker 1: how to do whatever it's Yeah, I'm glad you like it.
Speaker 1: I do like I do. Know that song is sort
Speaker 1: of um one of those we do. Yeah, we play
Speaker 1: it love with the full band. We really can't do
Speaker 1: it like any other way. Maybe that's why, because I
Speaker 1: haven't heard you play it. Yeah, we can't do it
Speaker 1: with just guitar guitarists. We need rhythm, so don't we all?
Speaker 1: Don't we all need rhythm? Speaking of I don't have any,
Speaker 1: but no, somehow I make it. Can't dance it all.
Speaker 1: It's weird. You know that only a few what dancing
Speaker 1: is considered in society. I can't do. You don't have rhythm?
Speaker 1: You can dance? Do you dance in public? Yeah? If
Speaker 1: I've had like a few, that's all the matters really
Speaker 1: at this point in our lives. Who cares? So you'll dance? Oh? Yeah? Good? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I used to be really good dancing. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Like what do you mean I have decent rhythm? Like
Speaker 1: hip hop moves? Or I mean, aren't they all the same? No,
Speaker 1: I don't have I did take countryline dancing to meet girls,
Speaker 1: and then it was all I was what kind of girls?
Speaker 1: First of all, I was twenty one years old, right.
Speaker 1: Second of all, I thought it would be it was
Speaker 1: a college class. I was in college. And then it
Speaker 1: turns out they were all non traditional students that came back,
Speaker 1: so they were all like forty year olds. They would come.
Speaker 1: I didn't meet. It was all moms. So I lined
Speaker 1: dance with with Yeah, it was not, but I gotta a.
Speaker 1: I was good. I gotta a for effort. That's awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'll dance a little bit. But I grew up.
Speaker 1: I went to h Yeah, I went to score. We
Speaker 1: dance a lot. Wow. Yeah, I mean like the hip thing,
Speaker 1: like you know when people can do stuff with their hips.
Speaker 1: I can't do that. I've lost a bit of I
Speaker 1: lost half step. But yeah, I think if I got
Speaker 1: back into it, i'd be pretty good. Yeah. I should
Speaker 1: probably take some like salsa lessons or something. But you
Speaker 1: won't you go want to be like, yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 1: Something I would do? Yeah, you got me figured out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm probably go to the next thing. What about this?
Speaker 1: If I played this song here? So game I figured out, Wait,
Speaker 1: and where's to change and catch my next hard like mine?
Speaker 1: Do you know what you do? So I will like it.
Speaker 1: There's one move in there that so signats are like
Speaker 1: of that person. I feel like, okay, so too good.
Speaker 1: I mean if it's hard to hear it with you,
Speaker 1: but it sounds like yes, okay, yeah, So what's up
Speaker 1: that song? Yeah? So that was the first song I
Speaker 1: released as an artist after moving to Nashville. And this
Speaker 1: was like at the beginning of like Spotify and everything.
Speaker 1: So I just randomly put it out and didn't have
Speaker 1: any I didn't have publishing, I didn't have anything, and
Speaker 1: I just I wrote it with tofur and I was
Speaker 1: working with Richard Marx at the time, like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was doing some stuff here in town, and so
Speaker 1: I was introduced to him through a mutual friend and
Speaker 1: he heard me, and I guess he was looking for
Speaker 1: a project to produce, and so he was like, hey,
Speaker 1: do you want to do something? So we did five songs.
Speaker 1: That was one of them, and the intent was to
Speaker 1: like pitch two labels and get me a record deal,
Speaker 1: which never happened. But um, he was friends with Vince
Speaker 1: and so he asked Vince if he would sing backgroundvocason
Speaker 1: and Vince said yes, and then we got to write
Speaker 1: together and that was amazing. Yeah, but that song is
Speaker 1: just really special to me because I mean, obviously Vince
Speaker 1: is on it, but that song was very true at
Speaker 1: the time, and um, you know, I really I have
Speaker 1: to say I appreciate about that song that we were
Speaker 1: talking earlier about the pain with my breakup inspiring all
Speaker 1: these songs on Sidday. That song right there proved to
Speaker 1: me that the narrative you know, already existed before all
Speaker 1: that happened. Because that song feels like me still, like
Speaker 1: if I play it at a show, like and people
Speaker 1: asked me to play it, yeah, and you're not too
Speaker 1: cool to play it's cool. So I did want to
Speaker 1: bring this up. By the way, stream Jillian music, download
Speaker 1: of music, go to a show, who you're out with
Speaker 1: that you have a cool tour Hull this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well next we can we go out with Thomas Rhetts time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then we do the Brett Eldridge tour with Devin Dawson,
Speaker 1: which is like going to be my first actual tour
Speaker 1: like night after night playing cities and with my band.
Speaker 1: So I'm very very excited. That's cool. Yeah, especially with
Speaker 1: with Tom's Rhett, like he's notoriously good to his opening
Speaker 1: acts really like super Yeah, that's he's a good dude though,
Speaker 1: And I feel like he's a good dude. We haven't
Speaker 1: met yet because I know you a bit and I
Speaker 1: know him. He's a good dude. That's awesome. And this
Speaker 1: comes off all the bad people, but some people everybody
Speaker 1: just so worried about themselves. Yeah, that he's he takes
Speaker 1: care of others. That's really cool. Yeah, he's a good one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He seems like he's been able to keep his perspective
Speaker 1: on on everything, on his life and his family everything,
Speaker 1: even as his career is kind of just blown up.
Speaker 1: Like he seems like a really a down to earth,
Speaker 1: awesome guy. You know, it was funny last night we
Speaker 1: were doing the show you were playing and I was
Speaker 1: hosting it, and you said, hey, I want to show
Speaker 1: you my engagement video. And you remember the first thing
Speaker 1: I said back to you was I said how long
Speaker 1: is it? Oh? No? And you looked at it. You
Speaker 1: kind of had like it shouldn't matter how long I
Speaker 1: watched my video. But I like to explain why I
Speaker 1: said that, because I haven't I haven't shaken this because
Speaker 1: I saw like a grandmace on your face that I
Speaker 1: even asked I should just watch the video. No, I
Speaker 1: that wasn't like I didn't take that personally. I thought
Speaker 1: it was funny. Well have you ever I was just
Speaker 1: being honest too, Yeah, for sure. Have you ever had
Speaker 1: someone go how you should check this out in this show?
Speaker 1: And it's like they're like, hey, look at this YouTube.
Speaker 1: It's like seven minutes long, and then it's like seven minutes.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to ask ahead of time because I
Speaker 1: was going to be completely honest to go, if it's
Speaker 1: like three and a half minute, I' probably gonna check
Speaker 1: out a minute one through two fifty. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I mean I still would have tried to make you
Speaker 1: watch and I would have watched it, but I wanted,
Speaker 1: you know, ahead of time, and I'm probably gonna be
Speaker 1: wandering in my head. But it wasn't. It was really beautiful. Sure,
Speaker 1: it was seconds kissing parts. Yeah, it is the favorite
Speaker 1: length I've ever seen to a video, in all lengths
Speaker 1: of video. So it was you and your fiance and
Speaker 1: you were in Paris in front of the Apple Tower,
Speaker 1: and what did he say to you? He said, just
Speaker 1: look at the Yeah, he said, we should take a
Speaker 1: video for our family back home of when the Eiffel
Speaker 1: Tower sparkles, because it sparkles on the hour every hour.
Speaker 1: And it was almost one am, and so we walked
Speaker 1: up there and he's like, all right, get your phone out,
Speaker 1: we'll take a video. I was like, all right, cool.
Speaker 1: So we're standing there the Apple towers behind us, and
Speaker 1: mid video, you know, we're kissing and talking whatever. And
Speaker 1: then he pulled out the ring, you know, from the
Speaker 1: left side, and so he sort of brings the ring
Speaker 1: up into the frame of the video. So I'm watching
Speaker 1: us on the video screen and it takes me a
Speaker 1: second to focus my eyes onto the actual real life ring,
Speaker 1: and then I go through about six different facial expressions
Speaker 1: before I just started crying. But it was really awesome.
Speaker 1: It was really great because it's genuine confusion, happiness, and
Speaker 1: again the perfect length of expressions, like I really enjoyed.
Speaker 1: But but they did hang with me because I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: at this point, you and I've had conversations where I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: some of people think I'm a date because I'm just
Speaker 1: a very matter of fact like, Hi, this is how
Speaker 1: I feel I hope it's cool. If not, that's cool too.
Speaker 1: But let's let's move on with our lives, good or bad.
Speaker 1: But I felt I was like, oh, maybe I should
Speaker 1: have before she asked me, just taken the video ten minutes,
Speaker 1: just watched it all, okay, because that home with me
Speaker 1: a little bit. Really? Yeah, man, I didn't even think
Speaker 1: about it. Good. Um, how long is this one? Okay?
Speaker 1: Well we'll kind of call it here, but check out
Speaker 1: Side A from Jelly and Jacqueline with such song and
Speaker 1: just side it. Now. These podcasts live forever. Next year,
Speaker 1: you could be a huge star and you're on side
Speaker 1: F at this point. Yeah, you know, I mean, I
Speaker 1: hope I didn't say anything I shouldn't have said. Probably
Speaker 1: you'll get home and go. Man, that hour and a
Speaker 1: half I said so many things. Has anybody called you
Speaker 1: and been like, can you please not put that part in? Okay?
Speaker 1: So I won't do that. Well it goes up quick. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So but also, if you said something I didn't defamatory, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think I'd say, let's let's probably beat that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, you've got reasons. I just play some here,
Speaker 1: what a good one or my favorite? Hate me? Relate
Speaker 1: to that song. I talked it out and realized why
Speaker 1: I liked that song. Podcast yea god, bless this mess,
Speaker 1: this mass this as good as sugar and salt. That's
Speaker 1: a jam, dude, I love it. It's good. Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: a I'm spit when it cost to you, when it
Speaker 1: cost some me loving lizard. Same enough. Most of time
Speaker 1: the artist things with them. It's kind of cool, but
Speaker 1: I like to say no, no, no, I like to
Speaker 1: sing with them because I really like the song. I know.
Speaker 1: I'm just playing songs also without me from the little
Speaker 1: one go ahead, you know I had that ready? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, good that? No, please don't play that again?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Where did you find? What? You?
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Why don't you like that? Where
Speaker 1: did you find that? Oh? Man? That is like massive
Speaker 1: levels of embarrassment. Um. I was probably like thirteen years
Speaker 1: old when that song was written and recorded. Then why
Speaker 1: are you? I don't know, I don't know what you're
Speaker 1: gonna do? Can I see what is? Where did you
Speaker 1: even get that? Don't worry about how you guys? That
Speaker 1: is impressive? Yeah, did you find a to grow? Don't
Speaker 1: worry about we found there's some dark stuff in there.
Speaker 1: I actually just found out that that that that album
Speaker 1: is out on Spotify as somewhere the Little Women band exists,
Speaker 1: and I don't know none of us put it up,
Speaker 1: so I don't know who put it up. But I
Speaker 1: think it's just embarrassing because I those songs are like
Speaker 1: we were thirteen and had no idea what we were
Speaker 1: singing about, and we just that's okay, what are those
Speaker 1: lyrics without me? Got her hands on her head and
Speaker 1: shame it's like kids. Yeah, definitely, that's horrible. No, I said,
Speaker 1: who that was embarrassing? Thank you? Yeah, so side and
Speaker 1: then there's the other songs. I was just setting you
Speaker 1: up for that final thank you. But no, that was
Speaker 1: blasphem in the past that I didn't want. Okay, um
Speaker 1: to your producer, I've talked about doing some hip hop
Speaker 1: stuff together. He wanted to say, Hi, I don't I
Speaker 1: can't believe you guys haven't met yet. Now he came
Speaker 1: on the studio, but we didn't really he played with
Speaker 1: you in the studio, right, No, that was briant. No,
Speaker 1: I thought you had two players. Maybe I've just seen
Speaker 1: him on TV with you and Go when you played. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he played on that he always comes to just the
Speaker 1: fun stuff. Okay, that's where I've seen in this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was on TV with us, but we have, we've
Speaker 1: texted a bunch of times. He is one of the
Speaker 1: greatest humans on the planet. Very lucky. I do like
Speaker 1: great humans. Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's cool about like
Speaker 1: you know, you guys would get along very well. He's
Speaker 1: he's awesome tober. If you're listening, I got it. I
Speaker 1: got a little special song for you, Rexes. We should
Speaker 1: put this on the album, I think, yeah on side
Speaker 1: we should do an E D M remix. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: listen pretty much and everything we said, everything we can say.
Speaker 1: Do you think that Ryan Adams will listen to this podcast?
Speaker 1: I think if he's a fan of you and he
Speaker 1: stumbles across it, I don't think this will come up
Speaker 1: in his feed, his R feed or whatever. But no,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Okay, that would be cool if
Speaker 1: he did. He may he may be a Jillian. Have
Speaker 1: you spoken to him since you Yeah, oh yeah, we
Speaker 1: talk on Twitter a lot. Doesn't sell him by the
Speaker 1: way you watch Wildhall Country, Yes I did. I'm not
Speaker 1: done yet. I'm not done yet. Episode on We are
Speaker 1: on work how many isn't there like one season? Six episodes? Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're I think we're on the fourth, two more
Speaker 1: to go. So what's her name? Just left? Sheila left,
Speaker 1: which I thought was so kind of abrupt and weird.
Speaker 1: I was like, where are you going? Why? Which is
Speaker 1: why I liked it because very Game of Thrones where
Speaker 1: you don't know what's going to happen, and then you go, oh,
Speaker 1: I can expect anything because it's not falling into the
Speaker 1: timeline of what normally happens. Right, Is there like something
Speaker 1: mass suicidal going to have And I'm not going to
Speaker 1: tell you about it, but what was craziest to me?
Speaker 1: By the way, Wild Wild Country, the show on Netflix
Speaker 1: is a documentary series. Yes it happened. Or again with
Speaker 1: this cult, they bought eighty tho acres of land, a
Speaker 1: hundred square miles. When you start to wrap your hand,
Speaker 1: run that that's driving two hours. I own all of that.
Speaker 1: The airport. Yeah, so, and they put a call up
Speaker 1: there and I can't believe I didn't know the story,
Speaker 1: Like I'm really interested. Have you read the book Sapiens? No?
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's not about cults, but it's about humans,
Speaker 1: and read it I'm meant to it, and I think
Speaker 1: you'd really like it. Yeah, I'll read it. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: this is the best documentary I've seen it along. But
Speaker 1: it's great. Yeah, yeah, it's great because and also I
Speaker 1: didn't know that I knew everything about like big crazy
Speaker 1: things in our history. It almost seems like someone like
Speaker 1: got it massively covered up after the fact. It's like
Speaker 1: they did it without me. It just got getting clear everything.
Speaker 1: I'm bright red and I wish he would stop playing
Speaker 1: the song. Um, well, listen to this has been a
Speaker 1: good talk. I like to end it. I hate that
Speaker 1: you that, but really it's kind of fun, right, okay, cool?
Speaker 1: Have have you had fun? I have had so much fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could do this for ten more hours, but then
Speaker 1: you'd be like, get out of my house. That's true.
Speaker 1: You can do on all the water and then you've
Speaker 1: taken all the water. Jillian Jacqueline, listen to side A
Speaker 1: or if it's you know, months months later. Just check
Speaker 1: her out so you wish you to get up see
Speaker 1: her live. I watch her live many times. Fantastic artists.
Speaker 1: And thanks for coming over the house. Pretty thanks for
Speaker 1: having me about it. Yeah all right, Jillian Jacqueline and
Speaker 1: we'll see you next time. Everybody