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In part two, there's 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:28.560 a whole story that coming up about a monk I'll 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:30.320 just leave it there, or how she met a monk 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:32.800 and it changed her course of her life, and it's 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.520 pretty wildly. Let me recommend to you the Red Aikins 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.119 episode and the Morgan Number two episode and the Bobby 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:42.000 Cast as well. Jake Owen has a good podcast called 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.400 Good Company with Jake Owen. The guys at Whiskey Riff 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:48.200 have a very fan oriented podcast called Whiskey Riff Raff, 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.000 so check that out. And then new one from Velvet's Edge, 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:54.920 which is Style Fashion that starts April fourth. So I 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:56.560 don't know when you hear this, but thank you very much. 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.680 Let's get into episode part number two. There we go, 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:05.320 Thank you very much. Is episode one last twelve Holy 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:09.240 keep all right, Jillian Jacqueline, here you go. All right, 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:14.040 back part two of the Jillian Jacqueline Bobby Cast. You 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.880 like the chairs, I really like them. It's sort of 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.160 one of those chairs where you can't sit up. You 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.120 have to sit back and relax, so you just kind 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.320 of feel like you're doing like an awkward lean back 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:25.359 and your neck feels weird. But and then all of 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:28.240 a sudden you've become still relaxed. You just still like 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.840 crying and talking about your mom. People have cried in 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:34.399 here before. Yeah, yeah, well we talked about this. Um 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:36.520 let me say this because the last one we left 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.959 off on was I got the weirdest text from Jillian 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.600 before you get to my house, Because first of all, 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.320 I said, hey, if you want to bring your fiance, 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:47.680 bring them because I like them most of the time 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.680 people to come do this, they may bring somebody if 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.000 I know that very well. Um so a lot of 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.840 times they won't. Sometimes they won't. It just depends. But 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:57.400 I was like, hey, I like your fiance. If you 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:59.200 guys are just tell him to come over. I'm cool, 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:01.280 like I'm going out, yeah, and you're like, no, now 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:03.640 coming alone. So I said, okay, cool, cool, cool, And 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:07.359 then you said yeah, but give me water. And I 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.320 was like, you know, this is a newer model home, 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:14.760 like we have an icebox. That was just me being weird, 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:16.760 but I just I was really thirsty and I didn't 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:18.480 know if I should stop at a gas station for 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:23.320 some water. We had water like bottles water, it's drinks 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:25.239 in smart water. Yeah I did. I don't I have to. 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:29.160 I have to peel a lot, usually too much information, 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:31.000 but I don't want to have to get up. I 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.600 have a whole peeing thing where I try to hydrate 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:38.840 myself because we're always dehydrated, always humans, always dehydrated, and 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:40.200 if we don't, even if we don't feel it, we're 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.720 still dehydrated. But if you drink the right amount of water, 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:44.760 you have to pee all the time, which it keeps 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:46.600 you up at night and you're not giving the right sleep. 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:50.000 It's just a mess. I know on plane, this mess 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:54.240 as you would say that I just made on the floor, 0:03:54.280 --> 0:04:01.000 because yeah, on trains, train, on planes, um and plays, 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:03.240 you know, you gotta keep drinking water for your skin 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:05.160 to stay hydrated. But then you have to get up. 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:07.440 I am always the person on planes who's like everyone's 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.360 like she's walking back there again, like constantly just going 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:12.760 back to go pe. So do you eyele it? Then 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:14.800 if you have to be all the time, because if 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:16.359 you don't aiel it in your windowing it, you have 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.760 to make people move. Yeah, I always try to eyeland. Well. 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.200 The good thing with me and Brian, my fiance, we 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:23.039 he travels with me because he plays guitar for me, 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.360 so I always have a guaranteed like seat holder. And 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:28.640 he is one of those people that he goes on 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:32.240 the app for the UM airline like two days before 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:33.719 to make sure he has the right seat. I'm not 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.040 that kind of person, but he always makes sure he 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:38.799 will never sit at the window. That would make him panic. 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:42.760 So I only said at the window, what if you 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.599 have to climb over? What if they fall asleep? That's 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.720 my worst nightmare. Well, so that happens, and I will 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:48.520 if I don't know the person, I won't. I'll just 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:52.600 hold it internally injured myself. I know, well, but most 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.640 of the time I'm not. Might Be always travels with 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:57.880 me because he produces the radio show on the road 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:01.159 or he didn't really does that. He does ten minutes 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:03.640 stand up before I go out, He sell merch, he 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.480 does everything, so he rides and he either was sitting 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:08.960 aisle or he also knows if I don't want to 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.600 sit by anyone, so he just eliminates the person syndrome. 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:13.360 He's always feel like somebody's sitting next to me and 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:14.800 they're sick, and I mean it's sick, I can't do 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:19.200 the show. Yeah, you wear those little masks, ever I don't, Yes, 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.200 if I think they scare people, So I don't want 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.159 to wear one if I'm sick because I'm worried about 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:26.520 other people, because I wish they would be worried about me, 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.640 which they're not. I'll cover my mouth. Yeah. When I 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.520 was in Japan, everybody wore them, everybody, and I said, 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.679 this is the greatest culture ever. There's no litter. People 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:39.719 have on masks. They're kind. I was like an NBA player. 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:41.520 I was walking around having a duct was on that. 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:43.960 And I've never been anywhere in my life. I go 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:47.320 up in Arkansas until I was twenty seven. Any vacation, 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:50.359 right and ever? Anywhere? Yeah? What did Japan? I was like, what, 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:52.680 it's a different world. I've never been there. My mom's been. 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:54.560 She said it was very clean. She said, what you said, 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.520 and she said on like the public transportation. Everyone sits 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:59.520 like not. They don't touch each other like in New 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.200 York City. They don't get close, and they if they cough, 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:06.280 you know, the coffer quiet the Yeah, it's amazing. It's 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:09.600 pretty cool. And I'm tall, Yeah you'd be you'd be average. 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.000 Yeah that's awesome. Oh well, so I went to Thailand 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.520 after college for three months and I was like a 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:20.040 giant white Wow, just went to Thailand for three months. Yeah. Well, 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:22.520 I went to Thailand and then Vietnam and Cambodia with 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:25.320 my mom. She lives in Thailand, so I went with 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:28.400 her right like literally the day after I graduated college, 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:32.279 I flew to Bangkok and I lived there. I taught 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:36.200 English at a school. Yeah, what is happening here? Yeah, 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:40.039 tell me about this and what's that. What's that experience? Like, Um, 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:43.560 it's incredible. It was. I got restless after a while 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.280 because I needed something to do. But I randomly met 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.000 this monk when I was like at a temple walking 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:52.919 around just as a tourist. Yeah, and I it is 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.080 such a weird story. But you know the monks, they 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.200 wear orange robes, but they also carry cellphones like in 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:02.040 their robes today. This was, I mean how many years ago? 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.760 Seven years ago? So anyway, I this monk came up 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:07.480 to me and he was like, I had this cell phone. 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:09.640 He was talking to someone on the phone and he 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.480 handed it to me and this woman he knew I 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:14.760 was American obviously, and so this woman was on the 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:16.520 other end of the line and she was like, Hello, 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.080 do you speak English? And I said yes, and she 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.360 said hi, I'm so and so, um, he handed me 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:23.040 the phone because he knows you can speak English. Um, 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:26.880 our English teacher just broke her leg. She like tripped 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.320 on the street. Um do you want to teach English 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.200 at our school? I'm not kidding? And I was like, 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:35.120 um sure, And I actually had wanted to get my 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.920 teaching certificate to teach English. So I was like, the 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.200 gods have like shined down on me, and I just 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.640 did it. I taught these kids at this school at 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:46.520 the temple for about a month and I had no 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:48.520 idea what he was doing, but I just kind of 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:53.040 like so I didn't speak high so all they wanted 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.920 me to do was read them English words. They wanted 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.560 me to read to these kids in English and explain like, 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:00.920 you know, show a picture of a ug and say bug, 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.200 show a picture of fork and say fork, like that 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.040 kind of thing. They were like six and seven years old. 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.080 So a monk with a cell phone got you a 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:13.040 job teaching English in Thailand? Is that the greatest story 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.440 you've ever heard in the podcast? But this is the 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.520 point of the story, is he knew I was American 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.440 because I I was massive compared to all these tiny 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.559 Thai people. And I was like sweating all the time 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.800 because I wasn't used to the heat, and you know, 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:28.680 I yeah, I just like stood out like a sore thumb. 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:32.040 So I did that, and then um, you know, we 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.560 went to Vietnam and Cambodi and just kind of explored 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.760 and then I honestly I had one of my crying 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:39.640 on the bathroom floor moments there and I was like 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:41.520 what am I doing. I have to go back to 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.160 start my life because I just graduated, and I I 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.640 really wanted to get to Nashville. So I I left 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.160 and flew back, and then I was at my dad's 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.880 house for like a couple of weeks, and then he 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.760 flew me down in Nashville with I had like one bag, 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:59.200 and my sisters already lived here. They were signed to 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:05.959 Sony Bobby shaming me my mouth noises, That's just how 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:10.520 I cleared my throat to go before the podcast said, Hey, 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:14.880 you're popping a bit like the first time. All right, 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.800 all right, I'm very conscious of it now. Um So, anyway, 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:21.200 my sisters were already living in Nashville, signed to Sony 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.800 as the Luna Bells, and so I moved in with them. 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:27.800 I like slept on a foodton in my sister's room. No. 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.520 Two older and one younger. So they were a band, 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.720 all of them without you. Um, we grew up in 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:36.400 a family band to the four of us. Now I 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.319 knew you did that. I knew there was a group, 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.040 a sister dynamic. What are you called, like the Little 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.560 Women or something? Okay, yeah, but wait, how did you 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:47.480 get disconnected from them? Though? When I was sixteen and 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:51.080 when our parents around the time that our parents were 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.960 getting divorced. It took a couple of years. I decided 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:57.000 to leave the band. I wanted to go back to 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.679 high school for two years, and I wanted to do 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.000 my own thing creatively as an artist. So I was 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:06.319 working with my own producer and um, going to high 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:10.520 school and yeah, I just kind of exited the family group. 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.160 You left, the group of sisters. Yeah, and then they 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:15.240 moved to Nashville without me and they got a deal. 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.960 Are you like, what was that thinking? Yeah, for a minute, 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.640 I was pretty like, Wow, would they have let you 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:25.840 back in? I don't think so. My sister took over 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:33.200 lead singing and so I band. Yeah, dah yeah, but 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.280 it's all it worked out the way. What are they 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:39.360 doing now? Um, they're in New York City in l 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:43.319 A and one of them is a mom. Yeah, oh 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.440 my gosh. My youngest sister, Gaby is an incredible artist. 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:50.640 She just randomly started painting and she's incredible. I'm not kidding. Like, 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:56.520 she has an Instagram. It's Gabrielle Luccia. It's Gabriella Luccia, Gabriella, 0:10:56.760 --> 0:11:00.800 Gabriella with one ELM, Gabriella Lucci l u c I 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:06.920 A and I think it's Gabrielle Lucia Arts. That's her Instagram. 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.199 She's so great, she's she's so good. She was the 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:12.000 drummer and she's a really good drummer. And honestly, when 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:15.079 I can, I want to bring her on the road 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.439 with me. I want her to be my drummer. Yeah, 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:19.640 that would be really cool. But right now she's in 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:21.319 New York City and she loves it there. And then 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.960 my other sister, Dominique, is in l A. She actually 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.400 dates Shawn Watkins from Nickel Creek and they tour together. 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.880 She plays piano. They make records and they're happy and 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.720 in love and they have chickens and silver Lake very 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.520 l A. That's cool. Yeah, wow, look at you. You You 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:43.040 leave the sister band where you're the lead singer. What balls? Yeah? Yeah, 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:48.520 it was time. They were pissed, and my mom was 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.640 pretty upset too because she had sort of been our 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.600 manager for most of our childhood and she didn't want 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:58.200 us to be broken up. But it started happening more 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.480 so when I was young, because I was with Kenny 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.520 Rogers and his management company only wanted to sign me 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.640 when I was because you were the singer. Yeah, because 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.280 I was the singer and and uh, you know, I 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:12.600 had started sort of the whole thing. So that sort 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:15.600 of became an issue because I was getting opportunities on 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:18.480 my own without them, and I kind of liked that. 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:20.959 But they were still good enough without you to get 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.120 a record deal. They were great. You guys must have 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.880 been phenomenon. The lead singer and the group. Well, we're 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.760 all very driven, passionate people, and nothing was going to 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.720 stop them. And they were very talented. They are very talented, 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.720 so and they wanted it, you know. So you come, 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:39.360 first of all, where are you born? Chester Springs, Pennsylvania. Okay, 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:43.720 so what's Chester Springs, Pensylvania Like. It's a boring suburb 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.440 outside of Philadelphia. It's got a couple of high schools. 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.960 It's like it kind of looks like Franklin, Tennessee when 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:52.520 you drive out too. So how did you get into 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:56.640 country music? My mom is from Charleston, South Carolina, and 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.160 she just only ever listened to country, and so from 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.480 the time I was a baby, I mean, we only 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.960 listen to country. Patsy Klein was the first thing I 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:07.880 heard and then you know, all the nineties country. I 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.719 really didn't grow up with the super traditional, like I 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:12.880 didn't listen to a lot of Whalen Jennings or Merle 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.560 Haggard or Johnny Cash. I got into that stuff later. 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.280 It was more so nineties like whatever was on the 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:22.040 radio on like the popular country radio station. So you know, 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.480 Tricia Yearwood and Patty Lovelace and um. I was a 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:27.800 huge fan of just you know, all of them. I mean, 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.559 Garth Brooks, Trace Adkins, whatever, Dwight Yoakum. You know. So 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:35.040 you go and you're playing music with your sisters, you're 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:39.360 being schooled, I'm assuming on the road, yeah, but out 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:41.440 I mean homeschool feels like you're in the only in 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.439 the house, but you're traveling, right. Yeah. Yeah, we did 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:47.600 a lot of road tripping. We actually had laptops and 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:50.680 there was a curriculum on the laptop that we would 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.560 all learn from. Drink water. I think you pulled it up. 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.040 Have a drinking yeah so much. Yeah. No, we were 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:59.640 all sort of taught to gravitate towards the things that 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:01.560 we really enjoyed, and we had to obviously do all 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.720 the subjects. But like I loved history and language arts, 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:06.720 and I wanted to write and read books all day. 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:10.640 So that's what I did most of the time. Yes, 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:15.439 I have, I want to. Yeah I will eventually, at 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.600 some point we'll hold up somewhere and start writing everything 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:23.880 down because my childhood was was pretty insane. So you 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.760 want to write a nonfiction Oh yeah, I want to 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:31.080 write like my the story. Yeah yeah, it's interesting. I mean, 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:32.800 maybe not like for anyone else to read, but I 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.400 just want to write. I want to process it though. 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.480 I was talking about this with Brian the other day, Sorry, 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:42.320 my fiance, and I was saying how I read books 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.920 when I was younger, these autobiographical books by incredible authors, 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.280 and they would describe to me their lives and when 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.240 when they were kids and their parents, and they would 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.920 do it with such reality that I would relate my 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:56.080 own life to them, and and it would make me 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:59.040 think about my parents the way they thought about theirs. 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.320 And so I think there's like power to sort of 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.800 telling your story because it encourages other people to think 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.240 about there's that way too. I think you bring up 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:07.840 a good point and something I didn't learn until I 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.520 actually wrote a book. And I never planned to write 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.480 a book, like a book that adults would read. I 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:15.920 wanted to write a kid's book, and I put out 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.320 a kid's record and the record was actually pretty good 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:19.800 for a kid's record. I thought it was, and it 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.360 sold well. Cracker Barrel bought it and they just sold it. 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.520 Cracker Barrel was like it was it was a good 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:29.040 enough kids record to like matter, and I said, okay, Like, 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:32.240 I want to provide an influence for children because I 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.360 didn't have many positive influences. And so I started shopping 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.280 this kid's book idea. Nobody wants it. No one knows 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:39.880 who I am. You're not supposed to. I'm going to 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:41.440 New York in la office. They don't have think about 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:44.240 contry music. I don't think about my radio show, nor 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:46.960 should they. But nope, nope, nope, over and over nope, 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:50.840 no no, so n no. I'm in the office and 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.280 they say, hey, the idea of the kids book idea. 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:55.160 There's there's a lot of kids books and they're expensive, 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:59.080 but you should hire an illustrator. And but your life story, 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.600 we were wicked pitting you tell us about your life story. 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.320 I said, okay, here's what happened. To tell my story. 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:06.600 So when you write a book about that, And I thought, 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.600 I'll try, but I don't think anybody can relate. And 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:12.280 I don't think anyone wants to hear my story because 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:14.640 who cares? That's what I really what I thought, like, 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.800 who's gonna care what I have to say? And so 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.360 I write this book and I'm miserable the whole time. 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.040 No I'm telling you that to me because I haven't 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.520 reliving it sucks, but I you know, I go to 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:29.240 a therapist for that, and sometimes I just hide it 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:31.240 and stuff in the hole and doesn't come out. But 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.280 I just felt embarrassed because I thought, here's this book 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:35.720 that I put a lot of me into that nobody's 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:37.800 gonna care about because no one's gonna understand that. No 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:39.960 one's gonna read it. But I would go out too 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.560 shows and listeners will go, hey, you know what, it 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.600 really resonant and it was one of the small details. 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:47.720 And I thought, knowing what every even, it has to 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:49.440 be like with music, when you put a song out 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:53.680 and someone goes, oh that song, I get, this is 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:55.320 how it relates. And that's what happened to me with 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.040 my book. Did I I just thought it was the 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:03.600 most uninteresting self and all get times the piece of garbage. 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:08.720 But it was honest, interesting and I felt horribly embarrassed. Well, 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:11.400 you're so right, though, Like I don't think we all 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:16.280 realize how alike we are in our stories, you know. 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.199 I think when we all really start looking at like 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.760 the intricacies of our lives, we all have really weird 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:23.680 ship going on, and we don't talk about it. We 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:27.560 don't talk about it, which is but it's not it's 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.560 normal for all of us if we were honest. You 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:33.560 know that. My second book it's really about that. It's 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.440 about how we don't talk about all the crappy stuff 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:37.960 we go through, the failures because it's not cool to 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:42.200 share it, so then we feel like we're doing it alone. Totally. Yeah. 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.560 I talked to Lori McKenna about this, because you know, 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:48.919 I've always looked at her songs as these like microscopes 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:52.520 on life and on marriage and family. And she puts 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:55.000 in all the details like the color of the dress 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:58.760 and the water coming from the kitchen sink and the 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:00.680 where where the sun was and whatever the dirt on 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:04.600 the floor, and it's so specific. That's why it resonates, 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:07.159 because she's actually painting the picture for you and you 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:10.800 can see yourself in that story. And um, you know, 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:15.359 I think sometimes what frustrates me about popular music is 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:18.280 the lack of color, the lack of truth, Like I 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.520 want to know what you were doing in that moment, 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:23.560 you know, not just what like anyone can relate to. 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.000 And I'm sorry, I'm trying. I'm pulling this over into songwriting. 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.600 But for me, yeah, I mean for me, that's like, 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:35.840 you know, that's what I'm always trying to figure out 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:39.160 how to do better in songs, is to like tell 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:41.600 people something that no one else could tell them except me, 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:47.760 but that they will understand. Yeah, that feels hard to do. Yeah, 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:49.080 I think that's why a few people can do it. 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.040 AT's just such a high level. Yeah, that's why Laurie 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.840 is fantastic at what she does. You know, you hear 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:57.479 a humbling kind Laura. That's prob girl. I meant, just 0:18:57.520 --> 0:18:59.560 google Laura McKenna and you'll see all the big songs 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:04.320 she's written. But I think the simplicity yet the depth 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.040 of humble and kind if you can nail them both, 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.360 and she did in that song. She did. She's one 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:15.560 of the few that her natural instincts have turned into 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.000 hit songs like that. She writes them all by herself, 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:23.960 and uh, you know it's yeah, that's that's rare because 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:26.440 that's just what she does, like as an artist herself. 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:30.639 But when Tim mcgrassings it actually works too, So you know, 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:33.960 that's an incredible accomplishment. I'm still learning from her all 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.359 the time. Could I Do It? Commercial? The I R 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:40.040 S released their annual Dirty Dozen list of tax scams, 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:42.520