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Speaker 1: radio chart right now. So how did you guys decide

425
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 1: on this song? You have? You know, you go, you

426
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,679
Speaker 1: have this whole packet of songs because you didn't just

427
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 1: make one and go this is the one. Get a

428
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 1: whole handful of songs. This was the song I was

429
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,919
Speaker 1: most excited about. Honestly, this song felt really brave and

430
00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 1: bold and production wise, it really excited I did me.

431
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 1: I felt like tofer and I kind of did something

432
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 1: that we hadn't done before and it felt like really new. Um,

433
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 1: it felt like me like I haven't heard I don't

434
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 1: want to be a quit or. I don't want to

435
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 1: have to day answer, Like everybody asked me, why what

436
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,719
Speaker 1: do you think hearing this song now? For the time,

437
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 1: Like what's going through your head? Right? Then it can

438
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,159
Speaker 1: be maybe just want to get out of here? But

439
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 1: what's going Uh? It feels weird that that's like that

440
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:37,400
Speaker 1: actually happened to me. What happened to you? Um that

441
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,719
Speaker 1: after being with someone for that long, like it completely

442
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 1: just like fell apart and then I wrote songs about it.

443
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 1: I've never been that person. So when I like really

444
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 1: started writing songs in Nashville, I was dating that person,

445
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,199
Speaker 1: so and I was writing pretty um songs that had

446
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 1: nothing to do with love. I actually was like, adamantly,

447
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to write about relationships. I have other

448
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 1: things to say. I put out an entire EP that

449
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 1: was not about love and relationships at all. I was like,

450
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm bored. I don't want I don't want to be

451
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 1: a female talking about that stuff. So I avoided it

452
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 1: at all costs. And also, I don't know how to

453
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 1: say this, but I really didn't have the inspiration to

454
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,199
Speaker 1: write love songs in the relationship that I was in.

455
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: And that sounds harsh, but it's kind of true. I

456
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 1: just I wasn't there in my heart. So now hearing

457
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 1: this back and realizing that I literally that happened, and

458
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: that happening to me became the the moment that my

459
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 1: entire perspective as a songwriter shifted. It was almost like

460
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 1: it had to happen. It had to happen for me

461
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 1: to get to where I am now, because I mean,

462
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: those songs wouldn't exist, obviously, and that level of transparency

463
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 1: in me as an artist wouldn't exist. I mean, I

464
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: put my story into these songs, and he was a

465
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: real person. He is a real person, you know, we

466
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: had a real life together. And oh now it's sad,

467
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 1: I guess, but it also feels weird that, like all

468
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: these wonderful things have happened in my career because of

469
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: that honesty. Do you feel that your pain has has

470
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: been what's been the catapult of your creativity, so therefore

471
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: you must suffer more pain to create more? Are you

472
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 1: one of those Well, I agree with the first half.

473
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm still struggling with the second half of what you

474
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: said of I need to suffer more. I think I

475
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 1: believe that for a long time, I think part of

476
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: me still feels like art is suffering, and um, life

477
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: isn't supposed to be happy, you know. I think life

478
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: is supposed to be interesting. Um, they're supposed to be

479
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: happy moments. But I think I've always sort of found

480
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: this beauty in like the very dark stuff. And uh,

481
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out if if I know how

482
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: to be an artist without without the heavy stuff. You know,

483
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer that pain is the only reason

484
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 1: that I'm able to do anything creative. And it's a

485
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,719
Speaker 1: bad place, and I'm told I have to get out

486
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: of the Yeah, I probably do too, But again, Adele

487
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: is Adele for a reason. I mean, we love listening

488
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: to her sing about her heartbreak because it feels so

489
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 1: raw and real when she does it. So I I

490
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: have argued that for a long time that all of

491
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: the greatest people in the world were so tortured, I mean,

492
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: the greatest of anything that they could do. The artists,

493
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: you know, the painters, the singers, the writers were i

494
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: mean alcoholics and just completely miserable for most of their existence.

495
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 1: Why maybe, because that level of suffering allows you to

496
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: tap into like the most real form of being a human.

497
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: I have this argument with one of my friends. All

498
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: the time that I think to be truly different and creative,

499
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: something has to be off about you or you're not

500
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: able to produce something that's off. What do your friends say? No, no, no,

501
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: he's he says, no, man, you can just be really

502
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: good at something. So yeah, there's a difference. Yeah. I

503
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 1: think in order to do something that's off, you have

504
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: to kind of be off someone from a well adjusted

505
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: with no sign of mental illness. Because I think I

506
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: have a bit of that, like I really do. And

507
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: I don't say it's a stigma because I I what

508
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: do you mean? I think that you have to produce

509
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: something that's different. You have to be different, and something

510
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 1: has to be affecting that different. It could be how

511
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: you're going up, It could be something chemically, it could

512
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: be something you put in yourself with chemicals. But I

513
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: think that to put out different, you have to be different.

514
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: And he just doesn't agree. No, No, a lot of

515
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: well adjusted Uh you know, yeah, I would agree with

516
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: you on that. I think that people people that have

517
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: something a little bit off or unique, or they just

518
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: seem sort of like hell bent to make their life

519
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: really difficult. Those are the people that are crazy enough

520
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 1: to really sit in like the ship of life. Like

521
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: they will sit there and they will think about it,

522
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: and they will write about it, and they will cry

523
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: about it, and I will feel it or they'll like

524
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 1: do something to know how much they feel it. But

525
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: it has to be an extreme one way or the other. Yeah.

526
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: I think it's hard to produce something different if you're

527
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 1: not different. And I think that it's hard to actually

528
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 1: talk about the difficulties without having been in them. You know.

529
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: I if I go, let's say I'm getting married, I'm

530
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: not gonna go to a priest. It's never been married.

531
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: And I have this problem with therapist. If they haven't

532
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: been through some real garbage times, how are they going

533
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: to understand what I've been through? And I don't think

534
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: I've been to the worst, but I need someone that

535
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: can only understand which So do you like vet them

536
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: sit down? So what's your childhood? Like you can laugh

537
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: at that's exactly where. Yeah, And they don't want to

538
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 1: share a lot of times, but that's okay. I can

539
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: feel them out because I need to know how they

540
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: grew up, because how are they going to understand me

541
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: if they don't understand what I've come from? Again, not

542
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: the best not the worst. So you don't think like

543
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: a healthy objective viewpoint is necessary. I think healthy is relative. Yeah,

544
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: I guess you're right. I think healthy is completely relative.

545
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone really has a healthy viewpoint

546
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: an objective, yes, and that's why I go. But I

547
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: don't think anyone's healthy. I don't think that exists. Well,

548
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: I think a good therapist should be able to tell

549
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: you about their stuff, like I think they should divulge

550
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: and not make you feel so alone. So with me, now,

551
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: I'm have a guy, I'm not I can't stay with

552
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: a guy and he's fantastic. I just I grew up

553
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: with a mom. Then I was adopting my grandma for

554
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: a bit, and my mom left and my mom, uh

555
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: my grandma had me, and then I had a bunch

556
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: of sisters. So only I'm comfortable with women. So to

557
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: talk to a dude is so uncomfortable for me, and

558
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: it's not fair to him. But if I can't feel

559
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: like in a safe spot, yeah, you're gonna have a

560
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: break up coming, I know, but I don't. I just

561
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: don't feel comfortable. It's and I have trouble anyway connecting. Yeah, Well,

562
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: I lie in my song last night, This song I played,

563
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: um tragic. You know, it says I found a cheap therapist.

564
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: I haven't. I don't. I went to someone like two

565
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: times and she's awesome, but I have yet to find

566
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: like an actual therapist that I want. Though, until you

567
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: spend five times with them, you just didn't go enough. Yeah,

568
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: you just, I mean really well, I'm the kind of

569
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: person I walk in there and I'm like, okay, beyond

570
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: your best behavior, just say all the right things, like

571
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: I try to win them over. Like that's so counterproductive

572
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: to what's happening here. It's like dating or a reality show,

573
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: meaning eventually the cameras are just there at first, like

574
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: cameras there. We gotta be act a certain ways that

575
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: eventually you're just on the real world and the cameras

576
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: are there and it's just a part of life. Yeah.

577
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: I found that if I don't invest time and dating them,

578
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: how am I going to marry them? So I have

579
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: to date. And it's what's the longest relationship you've had

580
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: with a therapist? Probably four years? And I moved from

581
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: all and I still would FaceTime and then it was

582
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: just like a long distance relationship with face and then

583
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: I just so you know, you needed the physical concept.

584
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: I needed to be held accountable and on FaceTime, you're

585
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: not held accountable. And this other guy went too, was younger.

586
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: He's like a fe years younger than Yeah. I was like,

587
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: you're talking about you younger than I felt like going, hey, dude,

588
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: I'll call the shots here. I'm a few years older. Yeah,

589
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: this session is over. Well. I kind of always feel

590
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: like I have the worst, darkest thoughts that I could

591
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: tell no one, and I don't. I don't want to

592
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: be sitting across from this person thinking, oh my god,

593
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: if they knew that what I've thought, like, that would

594
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: be horrible. Like I I need to be with someone

595
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: that can get in the trenches with me, which they

596
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: need to understand. She's back to my point. Yeah, you

597
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: don't want someone that has never been in the trenches

598
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: to get in the trenches, right, Yeah, that's true. But

599
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, I don't listen. I don't know you're meant

600
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: I have to go to someone sometimes just no, I

601
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: should probably going regularly with the way my life is

602
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: right now, there's a lot of things changing and happening,

603
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm one of those people where I

604
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: will go until I break, like until I have to

605
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: be in bed for a full day because I can't function,

606
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: Like I will do that just because have you done

607
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: the angiogram? No, but everybody talks about it, right, Well,

608
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: you're definitely a three, So I'm a three anyway. I

609
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: we are the achiever, but I'm pretty sure you're three.

610
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: But like the three is so good at when everything's

611
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: busy and there's chaos and lots going on, we're like, yes,

612
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: like coasting, so happy, functional, yes, But the minute that

613
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: something changes from that, we panic and we like spiral

614
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: so fast and we just crave like busy, busy, busy,

615
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: always busy. And so to actually have to look ourselves

616
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: in the mirror and like think about ourselves and our

617
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: lives is so painful. Like I can't meditate to save

618
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: my life. I have tried and tried. You it's so

619
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: hard for me. Yeah, I just ended turning TV LAMB

620
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: back on, and I'm like a screw it, turned mom

621
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: or friends back on because I've tried. It's really hard.

622
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: I had a terrible PTSD. I've been robbed and jumped

623
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: a few times, and so just in different places with work,

624
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: people have put guns to my head and you know,

625
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: just a man, I've had some crazy experience and it

626
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: really eff me up. Yeah, I've never had that, and

627
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: so I couldn't sleep for years, and now I got

628
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: addicted sleeping bills because it's the only way I was sleeping.

629
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: And so I was like, okay, I'm just gonna meditate.

630
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn everything off. I'm gonna set like Buddha does.

631
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: And I tried. I like I swear to god, I tried. Yeah,

632
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: I tried as hard as I effort, and I would

633
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: go okay, and I would try to find my place

634
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: and just center on it, and then all of a sudden, well,

635
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: I stick fifteen tomorrow, I gonna do this, and I okay,

636
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: stop it, stop, push everything back away, and then all

637
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: of a sudden, what a my friends, my dogs up

638
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: on Twitter. I couldn't focus. I know, I feel you.

639
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: I'm the same way. I don't know what it's going

640
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: to take, but someday I will crack that meditation. I

641
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: just don't think you are, because because we're about the

642
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: rays on the idio idiot scam what's it called. That's amazing? No,

643
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: I say that too, but you've already shown with your

644
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: lack of commitment to a therapist. That chaos. You're like me,

645
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 1: you chase chaos. I do sort of believe that if

646
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: I get like healthy, like whatever healthy is, I won't

647
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: have Yeah, I like won't know who I am any

648
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: This is what I just asked you do. You have

649
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: to be in a bad place and that doesn't mean relationship.

650
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: But you're answering all the questions like five paragraphs later.

651
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: I can't help it. I'm a rambler. No, it's not

652
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: fashion radio talk. You're talking yourself into answers. You just

653
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: said way later that you need this crap and if

654
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: you don't have it, yes, you have to go find it.

655
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: So what you just said, like the way you just

656
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: described how I answer things is the way I live

657
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: my life. I think I have it all figured out,

658
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: but I'm going through it and then years later it's

659
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 1: like late Lumor times a thousand, I'm like, oh, oh,

660
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: I get it now. Okay, that's embarrassing that that took

661
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: me that long. Like, I don't my processing is it's

662
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: very meandering, But you know I get there eventually. Isn't

663
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: that all the matters that you get there eventually? I

664
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: need to do a commercial anything quickly? No good, Okay,

665
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: this is bleacher. This one feels I've been different than

666
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: the rest of the record. Would you agree with that

667
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: than the rest of the the body of music? Yeah,

668
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: and maybe just because it feels super happy. Yeah, this

669
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: is probably maybe like alter ego song, But that part

670
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: of me exists, you know, I have that, and there

671
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: are a lot of songs coming on the rest of

672
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: the album that I feel like that. Uh, you know,

673
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: because there's songs like Holier than Thou too that sort

674
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: of have a sense of humor. But um, yeah, that's

675
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: that's part of me. There's a I mean I've always

676
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,239
Speaker 1: argued this about artists because it wasn't a bad thing.

677
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: I was making an observation when I listened to the record,

678
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: It's like, because I love sad music too, It's all

679
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: I listened to. If I'm picking the music, it's all

680
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: sad music. So I think that's why. I also was

681
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: like down with your sound, was like this is it?

682
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: I love it, and then Bleachers comes on. I'm like

683
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: next time. I think it's a great song. But it

684
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: was just different than the risk, Like sonically it is different.

685
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: We had fun with it. Yeah, how I got funky.

686
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: I like it. You made me feel like I said

687
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: I I never said anything about it. I don't know

688
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: how to do whatever it's Yeah, I'm glad you like it.

689
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: I do like I do. Know that song is sort

690
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: of um one of those we do. Yeah, we play

691
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: it love with the full band. We really can't do

692
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: it like any other way. Maybe that's why, because I

693
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: haven't heard you play it. Yeah, we can't do it

694
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: with just guitar guitarists. We need rhythm, so don't we all?

695
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: Don't we all need rhythm? Speaking of I don't have any,

696
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: but no, somehow I make it. Can't dance it all.

697
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: It's weird. You know that only a few what dancing

698
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: is considered in society. I can't do. You don't have rhythm?

699
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: You can dance? Do you dance in public? Yeah? If

700
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: I've had like a few, that's all the matters really

701
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: at this point in our lives. Who cares? So you'll dance? Oh? Yeah? Good? Yeah?

702
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: I mean I used to be really good dancing. Yeah yeah, yeah,

703
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: Like what do you mean I have decent rhythm? Like

704
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: hip hop moves? Or I mean, aren't they all the same? No,

705
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: I don't have I did take countryline dancing to meet girls,

706
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: and then it was all I was what kind of girls?

707
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: First of all, I was twenty one years old, right.

708
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: Second of all, I thought it would be it was

709
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: a college class. I was in college. And then it

710
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: turns out they were all non traditional students that came back,

711
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: so they were all like forty year olds. They would come.

712
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: I didn't meet. It was all moms. So I lined

713
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: dance with with Yeah, it was not, but I gotta a.

714
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 1: I was good. I gotta a for effort. That's awesome. Yeah,

715
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: but I'll dance a little bit. But I grew up.

716
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: I went to h Yeah, I went to score. We

717
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: dance a lot. Wow. Yeah, I mean like the hip thing,

718
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: like you know when people can do stuff with their hips.

719
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: I can't do that. I've lost a bit of I

720
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: lost half step. But yeah, I think if I got

721
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: back into it, i'd be pretty good. Yeah. I should

722
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: probably take some like salsa lessons or something. But you

723
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: won't you go want to be like, yeah, I'm good.

724
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: Something I would do? Yeah, you got me figured out. Yeah,

725
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: I'm probably go to the next thing. What about this?

726
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: If I played this song here? So game I figured out, Wait,

727
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: and where's to change and catch my next hard like mine?

728
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: Do you know what you do? So I will like it.

729
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: There's one move in there that so signats are like

730
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: of that person. I feel like, okay, so too good.

731
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: I mean if it's hard to hear it with you,

732
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: but it sounds like yes, okay, yeah, So what's up

733
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: that song? Yeah? So that was the first song I

734
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: released as an artist after moving to Nashville. And this

735
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: was like at the beginning of like Spotify and everything.

736
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: So I just randomly put it out and didn't have

737
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: any I didn't have publishing, I didn't have anything, and

738
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: I just I wrote it with tofur and I was

739
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: working with Richard Marx at the time, like yeah, yeah,

740
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: he was doing some stuff here in town, and so

741
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: I was introduced to him through a mutual friend and

742
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: he heard me, and I guess he was looking for

743
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: a project to produce, and so he was like, hey,

744
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: do you want to do something? So we did five songs.

745
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: That was one of them, and the intent was to

746
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: like pitch two labels and get me a record deal,

747
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: which never happened. But um, he was friends with Vince

748
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: and so he asked Vince if he would sing backgroundvocason

749
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: and Vince said yes, and then we got to write

750
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: together and that was amazing. Yeah, but that song is

751
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: just really special to me because I mean, obviously Vince

752
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: is on it, but that song was very true at

753
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: the time, and um, you know, I really I have

754
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: to say I appreciate about that song that we were

755
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: talking earlier about the pain with my breakup inspiring all

756
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: these songs on Sidday. That song right there proved to

757
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 1: me that the narrative you know, already existed before all

758
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: that happened. Because that song feels like me still, like

759
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: if I play it at a show, like and people

760
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: asked me to play it, yeah, and you're not too

761
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: cool to play it's cool. So I did want to

762
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: bring this up. By the way, stream Jillian music, download

763
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: of music, go to a show, who you're out with

764
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: that you have a cool tour Hull this year. Yeah,

765
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: Well next we can we go out with Thomas Rhetts time. Yeah,

766
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: and then we do the Brett Eldridge tour with Devin Dawson,

767
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: which is like going to be my first actual tour

768
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: like night after night playing cities and with my band.

769
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: So I'm very very excited. That's cool. Yeah, especially with

770
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: with Tom's Rhett, like he's notoriously good to his opening

771
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: acts really like super Yeah, that's he's a good dude though,

772
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: And I feel like he's a good dude. We haven't

773
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: met yet because I know you a bit and I

774
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: know him. He's a good dude. That's awesome. And this

775
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: comes off all the bad people, but some people everybody

776
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: just so worried about themselves. Yeah, that he's he takes

777
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: care of others. That's really cool. Yeah, he's a good one. Yeah.

778
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 1: He seems like he's been able to keep his perspective

779
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 1: on on everything, on his life and his family everything,

780
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: even as his career is kind of just blown up.

781
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: Like he seems like a really a down to earth,

782
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: awesome guy. You know, it was funny last night we

783
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: were doing the show you were playing and I was

784
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 1: hosting it, and you said, hey, I want to show

785
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: you my engagement video. And you remember the first thing

786
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: I said back to you was I said how long

787
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: is it? Oh? No? And you looked at it. You

788
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: kind of had like it shouldn't matter how long I

789
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: watched my video. But I like to explain why I

790
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: said that, because I haven't I haven't shaken this because

791
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: I saw like a grandmace on your face that I

792
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: even asked I should just watch the video. No, I

793
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: that wasn't like I didn't take that personally. I thought

794
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: it was funny. Well have you ever I was just

795
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: being honest too, Yeah, for sure. Have you ever had

796
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: someone go how you should check this out in this show?

797
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: And it's like they're like, hey, look at this YouTube.

798
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: It's like seven minutes long, and then it's like seven minutes.

799
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: So I wanted to ask ahead of time because I

800
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: was going to be completely honest to go, if it's

801
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: like three and a half minute, I' probably gonna check

802
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: out a minute one through two fifty. I appreciate that.

803
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: I mean I still would have tried to make you

804
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,479
Speaker 1: watch and I would have watched it, but I wanted,

805
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: you know, ahead of time, and I'm probably gonna be

806
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: wandering in my head. But it wasn't. It was really beautiful. Sure,

807
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: it was seconds kissing parts. Yeah, it is the favorite

808
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: length I've ever seen to a video, in all lengths

809
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: of video. So it was you and your fiance and

810
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: you were in Paris in front of the Apple Tower,

811
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: and what did he say to you? He said, just

812
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: look at the Yeah, he said, we should take a

813
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: video for our family back home of when the Eiffel

814
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: Tower sparkles, because it sparkles on the hour every hour.

815
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: And it was almost one am, and so we walked

816
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: up there and he's like, all right, get your phone out,

817
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: we'll take a video. I was like, all right, cool.

818
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 1: So we're standing there the Apple towers behind us, and

819
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: mid video, you know, we're kissing and talking whatever. And

820
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: then he pulled out the ring, you know, from the

821
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: left side, and so he sort of brings the ring

822
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: up into the frame of the video. So I'm watching

823
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: us on the video screen and it takes me a

824
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: second to focus my eyes onto the actual real life ring,

825
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: and then I go through about six different facial expressions

826
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: before I just started crying. But it was really awesome.

827
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: It was really great because it's genuine confusion, happiness, and

828
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 1: again the perfect length of expressions, like I really enjoyed.

829
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: But but they did hang with me because I thought, oh,

830
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: at this point, you and I've had conversations where I'm like, oh,

831
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: some of people think I'm a date because I'm just

832
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: a very matter of fact like, Hi, this is how

833
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: I feel I hope it's cool. If not, that's cool too.

834
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: But let's let's move on with our lives, good or bad.

835
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: But I felt I was like, oh, maybe I should

836
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: have before she asked me, just taken the video ten minutes,

837
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: just watched it all, okay, because that home with me

838
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: a little bit. Really? Yeah, man, I didn't even think

839
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: about it. Good. Um, how long is this one? Okay?

840
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: Well we'll kind of call it here, but check out

841
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: Side A from Jelly and Jacqueline with such song and

842
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: just side it. Now. These podcasts live forever. Next year,

843
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: you could be a huge star and you're on side

844
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Speaker 1: F at this point. Yeah, you know, I mean, I

845
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: hope I didn't say anything I shouldn't have said. Probably

846
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: you'll get home and go. Man, that hour and a

847
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: half I said so many things. Has anybody called you

848
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: and been like, can you please not put that part in? Okay?

849
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 1: So I won't do that. Well it goes up quick. Yeah.

850
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: So but also, if you said something I didn't defamatory, yeah,

851
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: I don't think I'd say, let's let's probably beat that. Yeah.

852
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: So anyway, you've got reasons. I just play some here,

853
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: what a good one or my favorite? Hate me? Relate

854
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: to that song. I talked it out and realized why

855
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: I liked that song. Podcast yea god, bless this mess,

856
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: this mass this as good as sugar and salt. That's

857
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: a jam, dude, I love it. It's good. Sometimes it's

858
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: a I'm spit when it cost to you, when it

859
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: cost some me loving lizard. Same enough. Most of time

860
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: the artist things with them. It's kind of cool, but

861
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: I like to say no, no, no, I like to

862
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: sing with them because I really like the song. I know.

863
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: I'm just playing songs also without me from the little

864
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: one go ahead, you know I had that ready? Oh

865
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: my god, good that? No, please don't play that again?

866
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Where did you find? What? You?

867
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Why don't you like that? Where

868
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: did you find that? Oh? Man? That is like massive

869
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: levels of embarrassment. Um. I was probably like thirteen years

870
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: old when that song was written and recorded. Then why

871
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: are you? I don't know, I don't know what you're

872
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: gonna do? Can I see what is? Where did you

873
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: even get that? Don't worry about how you guys? That

874
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: is impressive? Yeah, did you find a to grow? Don't

875
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: worry about we found there's some dark stuff in there.

876
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: I actually just found out that that that that album

877
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: is out on Spotify as somewhere the Little Women band exists,

878
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: and I don't know none of us put it up,

879
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: so I don't know who put it up. But I

880
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: think it's just embarrassing because I those songs are like

881
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: we were thirteen and had no idea what we were

882
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: singing about, and we just that's okay, what are those

883
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: lyrics without me? Got her hands on her head and

884
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: shame it's like kids. Yeah, definitely, that's horrible. No, I said,

885
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: who that was embarrassing? Thank you? Yeah, so side and

886
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: then there's the other songs. I was just setting you

887
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: up for that final thank you. But no, that was

888
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: blasphem in the past that I didn't want. Okay, um

889
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: to your producer, I've talked about doing some hip hop

890
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: stuff together. He wanted to say, Hi, I don't I

891
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: can't believe you guys haven't met yet. Now he came

892
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: on the studio, but we didn't really he played with

893
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: you in the studio, right, No, that was briant. No,

894
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: I thought you had two players. Maybe I've just seen

895
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: him on TV with you and Go when you played. Yeah,

896
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: he played on that he always comes to just the

897
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: fun stuff. Okay, that's where I've seen in this. Yeah,

898
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: he was on TV with us, but we have, we've

899
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: texted a bunch of times. He is one of the

900
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: greatest humans on the planet. Very lucky. I do like

901
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: great humans. Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's cool about like

902
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: you know, you guys would get along very well. He's

903
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: he's awesome tober. If you're listening, I got it. I

904
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: got a little special song for you, Rexes. We should

905
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 1: put this on the album, I think, yeah on side

906
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: we should do an E D M remix. Yeah, well

907
00:46:53,680 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: listen pretty much and everything we said, everything we can say.

908
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: Do you think that Ryan Adams will listen to this podcast?

909
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: I think if he's a fan of you and he

910
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: stumbles across it, I don't think this will come up

911
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: in his feed, his R feed or whatever. But no,

912
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Okay, that would be cool if

913
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: he did. He may he may be a Jillian. Have

914
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: you spoken to him since you Yeah, oh yeah, we

915
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: talk on Twitter a lot. Doesn't sell him by the

916
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: way you watch Wildhall Country, Yes I did. I'm not

917
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: done yet. I'm not done yet. Episode on We are

918
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: on work how many isn't there like one season? Six episodes? Okay,

919
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: so we're I think we're on the fourth, two more

920
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: to go. So what's her name? Just left? Sheila left,

921
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: which I thought was so kind of abrupt and weird.

922
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: I was like, where are you going? Why? Which is

923
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: why I liked it because very Game of Thrones where

924
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: you don't know what's going to happen, and then you go, oh,

925
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: I can expect anything because it's not falling into the

926
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: timeline of what normally happens. Right, Is there like something

927
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: mass suicidal going to have And I'm not going to

928
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: tell you about it, but what was craziest to me?

929
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: By the way, Wild Wild Country, the show on Netflix

930
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: is a documentary series. Yes it happened. Or again with

931
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: this cult, they bought eighty tho acres of land, a

932
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: hundred square miles. When you start to wrap your hand,

933
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: run that that's driving two hours. I own all of that.

934
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: The airport. Yeah, so, and they put a call up

935
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: there and I can't believe I didn't know the story,

936
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: Like I'm really interested. Have you read the book Sapiens? No?

937
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's not about cults, but it's about humans,

938
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: and read it I'm meant to it, and I think

939
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: you'd really like it. Yeah, I'll read it. Yeah. No,

940
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: this is the best documentary I've seen it along. But

941
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: it's great. Yeah, yeah, it's great because and also I

942
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: didn't know that I knew everything about like big crazy

943
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: things in our history. It almost seems like someone like

944
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: got it massively covered up after the fact. It's like

945
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: they did it without me. It just got getting clear everything.

946
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: I'm bright red and I wish he would stop playing

947
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: the song. Um, well, listen to this has been a

948
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: good talk. I like to end it. I hate that

949
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: you that, but really it's kind of fun, right, okay, cool?

950
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: Have have you had fun? I have had so much fun. Yeah,

951
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: I could do this for ten more hours, but then

952
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: you'd be like, get out of my house. That's true.

953
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: You can do on all the water and then you've

954
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: taken all the water. Jillian Jacqueline, listen to side A

955
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: or if it's you know, months months later. Just check

956
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: her out so you wish you to get up see

957
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: her live. I watch her live many times. Fantastic artists.

958
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: And thanks for coming over the house. Pretty thanks for

959
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: having me about it. Yeah all right, Jillian Jacqueline and

960
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: we'll see you next time. Everybody