1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 2: It is Monday, January twelfth, and today, finally, after seven years, 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: we just heard opening statements in the case of a 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: man accused of massacring his family and then setting two 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: mansions on fire to cover it up. We've been waiting 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: seven years to hear how he's going to defend himself, 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 2: and we heard it this morning. With that, welcome to 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: this episode of Amy and TJ and Robes. He's going 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: to defend himself with the defense that's well been around 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: since the invention of criminals. 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: Wasn't me? 12 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 3: Wasn't me? And who knew? I guess a lot of 13 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 3: people did. 14 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 4: There's a third brother and so it wasn't me, it 15 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 4: was possibly. 16 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 3: The other brother. 17 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 2: To make that clear, one guy is on trial, One 18 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: brother's on trial for killing another brother who's blaming now 19 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: the other brother for the death. 20 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: So all three of them. 21 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: This is awful family actually awful family dynamic right now. 22 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 3: That's an understatement. I was actually an imagining. 23 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 4: I don't know if their parents are alive, but that 24 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 4: has to be like the most chosrithic experience to know 25 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 4: that one of your sons was brutally murdered and his 26 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 4: entire family. Your other son is accused of doing it, 27 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 4: and that son is accusing your other son of doing it. 28 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 2: And that is what we found out. That is where 29 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: we are a lot of people might remember or recognize 30 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: the name Paul Canaro, certainly in the northeast, but this 31 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: is a case that goes back to twenty eighteen when, yes, 32 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: Paul Canaro is accused of going over to his brother's house, 33 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: which only about twenty minutes away in the town in 34 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: New Jersey, shooting his brother, then going in the house, 35 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: shooting his brother's wife, killing her, and then killing his 36 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: eleven year old nephew and eight year old niece, then 37 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: setting fire to that house, driving back to his own 38 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: mansion and setting it on fire to cover it up. 39 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: That is the crime we're talking about. And Robes remind me, 40 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: I know you did a deeper dived than I did 41 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: on the reasons why it has taken so long is 42 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,639 Speaker 2: been seven years since the crime while we're only getting 43 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: to opening statements today. 44 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 4: Yes, Well, first of all, there were a lot of 45 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 4: pre trial hearings where they were trying to get evidence excluded, 46 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 4: namely this DNA evidence, which we actually heard his defense 47 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 4: attorney reference and already set the stage to try and 48 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 4: debunk when it came to their presentation of his defense, 49 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 4: but that took a lot of time. They also blamed COVID. 50 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 4: COVID nineteen set back this trial significantly. And so between 51 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 4: I guess the pre trial hearings and the evidentiary hearings, 52 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 4: what was going to be admitted, what wasn't, and then 53 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 4: COVID nineteen, it's just taken seven long years. 54 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: So we've gotten to this day. So yes, they had 55 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: jury selection all last week, but opening statements today now 56 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 2: the prosecutor came out and it's always interesting to me, 57 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: and I go back again to Brian Walsh, the case 58 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 2: we just covered. To see someone sitting in a courtroom 59 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: in a V neck sweater and a tie and a 60 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 2: button up, with glasses on, looking like a guy who 61 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: might teach fifth grade social studies, who was accused of 62 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 2: doing the most heinous things. 63 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 4: Ever, when you just said that, I got chills because 64 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting. In a lot of these 65 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 4: courtrooms where there are cameras, you only see the back 66 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 4: of the defendant's head. You only see maybe the side 67 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 4: you can see when he's whispering to his attorneys. You 68 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 4: had a full front angle of his face straight on, 69 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 4: and I couldn't take my eyes away from his face 70 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 4: because it was emotional. 71 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 3: He looked, he looked. He wasn't stoic. 72 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 4: I think a lot of times we see these defendants, 73 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 4: they're stoic, they're unemotional, they sit there. 74 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 3: He was clearly emotional listening to. 75 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 4: The prosecution create and present their opening arguments, and what 76 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 4: they were saying was horrific to hear. 77 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: He almost looked defeated at times, and he did looked 78 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: genuinely emotional at times in the courtroom. And that's not 79 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: something I can say for a lot of defendant, at 80 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 2: least before they hear not guilty. 81 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 3: Don't attorneys. 82 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 4: Defense attorneys tell their clients not to show emotion because 83 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 4: they can be interpreted different ways. The jury is obviously 84 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 4: looking at him, and I have to say, I was 85 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 4: watching We haven't. 86 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 3: Talked about our experiences. 87 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 4: We were watching it together, but I also had it 88 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 4: on my computer and I was watching it on YouTube, 89 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 4: and you know, there's a live stream of comments and 90 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 4: people were going off on his facial expression, saying he 91 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 4: looks guilty, and I just kept thinking, I get that 92 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 4: that could be an interpretation, and that is why attorneys 93 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 4: tell their clients not to show emotion because he might 94 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 4: be feeling something completely different. But it looked like he 95 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 4: had this guilty emotion on his face. That's not necessarily 96 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 4: fair to know what was behind the emotion, but people 97 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 4: were already jumping to those conclusions. 98 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm on a jury, I'm sitting here in judgment 99 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: of you, and I'm also judging how you're sitting there 100 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: and your facial expressions. That's human nature. You have to 101 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: to your point. Why they tell them give them nothing, 102 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: don't be emotional in any way. But he looked like 103 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: a human being today. He did bro Brian Walsh never did. 104 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: I mean, he didn't look the same way this dude. 105 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: And that's just the truth. Now, this was a smaller courtroom. 106 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 2: Given how big of a story this has been, it 107 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 2: is kind of a smaller courtroom. 108 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: I think most of the. 109 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: Pew it didn't seem jampack necessarily, but the pews were 110 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: fairly full. 111 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: That's the scene. 112 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 4: Now. 113 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: Nicole Wallace started the day off ro she's the prosecutor, 114 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: and she laid out. She went in kind of hard. 115 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: I don't think it was necessarily for shock value. These 116 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: are the facts of the case, but she kind of 117 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 2: laid out how the crime unfold. 118 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, she talked about how he waited in the shadows 119 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 4: and then hunted them down. She used those types of 120 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 4: phrases to describe what she claims he did leading up 121 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 4: to the murders, the murders of his brother Paul Canaro. 122 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 4: She claims deliberately disconnected the generator, cut the power off. 123 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 4: He knew that his brother would come out to try 124 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 4: and see what was going on, and she claims as 125 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 4: he was waiting for him there in the dark, he 126 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 4: shot his brother. I think she said he fired six shots, 127 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 4: five of them hitting his brother execution style. So he 128 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 4: had taken out the person who could have defended his family. 129 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: And then it gets worse. 130 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: They say, he goes into the house and this is 131 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: where she said, I mean, he had cut power to 132 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 2: the house, so in the dark, he is hunting an 133 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 2: unsuspecting family. Now by all accounts, robes everybody was awake 134 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 2: because of the disturbance, because of everything that's going on. 135 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: The power's gone out and Dad has to go outside 136 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 2: hunted them down. So the woman is found in one spot, 137 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 2: shot on a staircase. One of the kids stabbed seventeen times. 138 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: This was the little girl, and they made a point 139 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: Robes to say, seventeen times in her forty five pound body. 140 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 4: Didn't that just send just this horror throughout your entire 141 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,799 Speaker 4: body to him? Imagine a grown man over on top 142 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 4: of a forty five pound eight year old girl who 143 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 4: was his niece, who he presumably loved and spent a 144 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 4: lot of time with. 145 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 3: That is as horrific as it gets. 146 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: And the same now as with eleven year old Jesse 147 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: found in a different part of the home stabbed as well. 148 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: So the prosecutor. I thought, at least I hadn't heard 149 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 2: a lot of these details. I didn't do a deep 150 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: enough diet to hear some of this. But and this 151 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: is everything we've just said, and I apologize. I meant 152 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 2: to actually give a warning at the top, just to say, hey, 153 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: some of this stuff that came out in court today 154 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: is awful, and I think this is probably the most 155 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: awful thing given what we just said. This next thing 156 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: is the most awful detail. Robes to hear that the 157 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: kids had smoke in their lungs, so he kills everyone 158 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: in the house. It does what he does. And they 159 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: say he goes out and sets a fire that actually 160 00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: smolders for hours. 161 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 3: They say, like a slow burning fire is how they 162 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 3: describe it. 163 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: They think, get a call about this fire for hours 164 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: and hours and hours later, So it took a while 165 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,679 Speaker 2: for this thing to burn. So they're saying both kids 166 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: had evidence of smoke and their lungs, meaning those kids 167 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: were left alive in that house. 168 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, she put it like this. 169 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 4: She said they were inhaling smoke as they bled to death. 170 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 4: That is quite the scene, thinking about this family on 171 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 4: the stairs bleeding out. 172 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: Still, these things can Okay, she has to tell the 173 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: facts and if it's true, But my god, how are 174 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 2: you sitting on the jury and still in that moment going, okay, 175 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: remember what the judge said that he's presumed innocent. 176 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: How can you not want. 177 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: To to get back at somebody for that just as 178 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: a human being. All Right, it's tough to do your 179 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 2: job there, but that that particular detail, hearing he killed them, 180 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: hearing what they went through, like you want somebody to 181 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: pay for that shit? 182 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 3: It's hard to have. 183 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 4: I mean, they're taking their lunch break and I after 184 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 4: hearing what was set in court today, it's hard to 185 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 4: even want to eat. 186 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 3: That's how horrific this is. 187 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 2: In addition to the other evidence there, he left the 188 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: pile of clothes, they said, in his basement, and then 189 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: they ended up being near where the fire started. This 190 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: pile of clothes, I mean some of these details. They 191 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: said that the niece and nephews some of their DNA, 192 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 2: some of their blood on these clothes. There were six 193 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: black gloves mixed in there, and there were blood. So 194 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 2: they're putting together a case. You're scratching your head like, 195 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 2: holy hell. Yeah, just for the overwhelming. 196 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 4: Just from the opening statement alone from the prosecutor, the 197 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 4: evidence is overwhelming. Yes, the pile of bloody clothes that 198 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 4: are his clothes that have his niece and nephews DNA 199 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 4: on them. They found a barrel of a gun in 200 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 4: his backpack in the porch that the family was sitting. 201 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 4: And so his family gets out of the fire, the 202 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 4: fire that they say he set to cover it up 203 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 4: to make it look like their entire family was targeted 204 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 4: by someone. So he sets the fire to his own home, 205 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 4: they claim, and then he gets his family out alive 206 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 4: and they're waiting in the family's Porsche. But in that 207 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 4: porsche was a backpack, and in that backpack was a 208 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 4: lot of evidence, a lot of evidence. 209 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 2: And so again we're trying to piece this together. But 210 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 2: according to the prosecution, there is the barrel of a gun. There, 211 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 2: they go in the house, they find another gun that's 212 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: whose barrel had been swapped out. So they say though 213 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 2: they can trace the barrel of the gun and the 214 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 2: actual gun, both two bullets that were used at the 215 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: other house. Again, this is all wildly overwhelming. Now the 216 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: timeline I had not heard before either. This is one 217 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 2: of those you have to go hmm. I know it 218 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 2: looks bad, but this looks awful. 219 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 4: This is terrible, This looks all So this is based 220 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 4: on surveillance camera, so this isn't their estimation. They actually 221 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 4: have video evidence at two six am that Porsche left 222 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 4: Paul Canarrow's home. It's a twenty minute drive to his 223 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 4: brother's house. At two fifty two the power was lost 224 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 4: at the brother's house. They can document that. And then 225 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 4: at three fourteen am to three eighteen am, there were 226 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 4: four texts that went from Keith's phone that's the brother 227 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 4: who was murdered, to Paul's phone and saying that the 228 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 4: power was out and he was going to check his generator, 229 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 4: like basically that he was updating his brother on what 230 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 4: was happening. 231 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 2: And then would you believe at three eighteen they said 232 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 2: the last one that brother sent was saying, I'm gonna 233 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 2: go out and check the generator. 234 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. 235 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 4: So three point thirty am there's a nine to one 236 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 4: to one call from someone who heard gunshots. And then 237 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 4: at four oh eight am that Porsche returns back to 238 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 4: Paul Canaro's house, and at five oh two am there 239 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 4: is a call about a fire at Paul Canaro's house. 240 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 4: That timeline is, damn, it looks bad. 241 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 3: It's his car. 242 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: I know it looks bad. It all looks bad. I 243 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: know it looks bad. 244 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: Terrible again, So you're listening to this and like, how 245 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: in God's name are they going to defend themselves because 246 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: on top of all this, we talked about this in 247 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 2: previous cases, jurys like to have a motive, and they 248 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: are trying to set up a financial one here at 249 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 2: least on two fronts. One, he's the beneficiary of a 250 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 2: life insurance policy and also he was in business with 251 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: his brother and that was going His. 252 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 4: Brother had just found out that or claimed that Paul 253 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 4: had stolen money from the company, and he was demanding 254 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 4: answers the day before, saying, I need to know what's 255 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 4: going on, asking for passwords to get into certain accounts 256 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 4: to see what actually happened where this missing money was. 257 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 2: And in addition, now the crazy part here about the 258 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: life insurance. There was a three million dollar life insurance 259 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: policy that Keith Canaro had. The beneficiary of that policy 260 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 2: was his wife. But in the event of his wife's death, 261 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: that money would go to the kids. God forbid, if 262 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: everybody in the family's taken out, that three million dollars 263 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 2: is to be split among two brothers. 264 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 3: Paul Canaro and Cory Canaro. 265 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: Those are the two that's left. 266 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 2: And so if one of the brothers goes to prison, 267 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: all of that money goes to Corey. Now that is 268 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 2: a wild scenario that would you believe the defense is 269 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: about to explore. Yes, stay here, we'll tell you about 270 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 2: the defense opening statement and their line of defense. 271 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 3: Welcome back everyone. 272 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 4: We are talking about the explosive trial that is taking 273 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 4: place in New Jersey seven years in the making. 274 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 3: This is a horrific. 275 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 4: It murders, it's a massacre of an entire family, and 276 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 4: one brother is accused of murdering his other brother and 277 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 4: his brother's family in the most terrific fashion. But he's 278 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 4: now suggesting, according to his defense, that the other brother 279 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 4: actually is the one who may. 280 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 1: Be responsible, suggesting. 281 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: They're I was trying to be I mean, they are 282 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: not dancing around it, dude, did you take it? 283 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: I didn't know. 284 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 4: They are absolutely saying that, hey, this other brother, Corey, 285 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 4: actually benefited the most if he could take one brother 286 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 4: out by a murder, take out the other brother by 287 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 4: framing him for the murder, and then he gets all 288 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 4: the life insurance money. 289 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 3: That is the defense they're setting up. 290 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 4: I also thought it was interesting the defense attorney in 291 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 4: this case started out by saying basically acknowledging the overwhelming evidence, 292 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 4: and she said, it's so obvious it doesn't make sense. 293 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 4: So they're actually using the fact that there's so much 294 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 4: obvious evidence against Paul canarow that no one would be 295 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 4: that stupid as to commit a murder and leave all 296 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 4: this evidence behind. 297 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: I am not Maybe that's good and legal strategy, but 298 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 2: I am just a dude, and and I would have 299 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: been offended by that on the jury, like you're actually 300 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: telling me, don't believe the overwhelming evidence against your client, 301 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: because it's so overwhelming. It's so overwhelming that it can't 302 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 2: be true. Right, Nobody is a stupid of a criminal. 303 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 3: That's basically what they're doing. Nobody is this stupid. 304 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 2: I didn't necessarily it wasn't. Didn't love that opening, uh direction, 305 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: she went, But okay, but she did acknowledge, and she 306 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: walked over to the table at one point saying, I 307 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 2: am not here to defend this tragedy. I am here 308 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 2: to defend Paul Canaro and walked over to him and 309 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 2: I thought that made sense and that was effective. But yes, 310 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 2: they are going after the other brother and flat out 311 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: saying that Paul Canaro did not do this. She is 312 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 2: declaring he is innocent. This is not just another theory. 313 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: She saying this is not the right guy. Part of 314 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 2: that is robes. It looks like they are going to 315 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 2: go after the investigation pretty strongly. 316 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 4: Yes, they're saying that the police never once looked at 317 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 4: Corey Canaro as a possible suspect. They zeroed in and 318 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 4: immediately on Paul Canaro and had tunnel vision, and they. 319 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 3: Only investigated him. 320 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 4: They only checked his DNA, they only looked at his 321 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 4: text and his life and any evidence appointed to Paul. 322 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 3: They never once considered that Corey. 323 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 4: Could have had something to do with it, and because 324 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 4: of that they got the wrong guy. 325 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 2: That seems crazy that they wouldn't have looked into the 326 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: other brother in some way because she's making an argument 327 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: the defense attorney that yes, they're saying she used house 328 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 2: of cards, saying, my client is sitting here saying he 329 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 2: had this financial house of cars and that's why he 330 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 2: had to kill over money. Said Corey's house of cars 331 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: was worse. 332 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 4: Yes, they said our client's financial situation was bad, but 333 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 4: Corey's was worse. 334 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 3: That's what they were saying. 335 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 4: Yes, And they said that the evidence is so conveniently 336 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 4: overwhelming and that's why you should question their theory. They 337 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 4: pointed to the fact that the gas can wasent conveniently 338 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 4: in the front lawn. 339 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: That's kind of crazy. 340 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 3: That is. That is and you think about even the 341 00:16:59,360 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: fact that. 342 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 4: He took some of those clothes of the like bloodied 343 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 4: clothes and then like put them in his own home 344 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 4: and went to burn them, but they didn't burn completely, 345 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 4: Like why would you even possibly leave that kind of 346 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 4: evidence behind? It sounds stupid, Yes, it does sound very 347 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 4: stupid shit. 348 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: The barrel I'm gonna I need to hear about the 349 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: barrel of the gun. 350 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, how did someone conveniently put that in his backpack 351 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 4: in the period of time that, Yeah, there wasn't really 352 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 4: a lot of opportunity there for Corey or anyone else. 353 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 3: To do that. 354 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 4: But they also pointed out about the relationship between Paul 355 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 4: and Keith. They said that they were best friends, they 356 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 4: were each other's person I. 357 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: Thought that's strong, that that's a big deal. I mean, 358 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 2: it sounds like they were really really close. That might 359 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 2: be a factor. I thought it was in the middle 360 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 2: of the night, something goes wrong with your house, the 361 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 2: first thing you think to do is to text your brother. 362 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 2: I thought that said a lot. That three in the morning. 363 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 2: It was just his power out, and the first thing 364 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: he did was textas brother several times. And they even said, Hey, 365 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go out and check it out. 366 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 3: That suggested to me a very tight relationship. 367 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 4: And in fact, you know, I've been doing a deep 368 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 4: dive and this is so incredibly sad. 369 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 3: But his adult daughters, who were there at the time 370 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 3: of the fire, they have. 371 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 4: Through social media over the years, paid tribute to their 372 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 4: niece and their nephew, and their aunt and their uncle, 373 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 4: saying how much they missed them, how much they loved them, 374 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 4: putting up photos. This was a family that vacationed together, 375 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 4: that ate together, that did everything together. 376 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 3: She said. 377 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 4: When she went away to college, her nephew, Jesse, facetimed 378 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 4: her every day. Her niece she called her her little 379 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 4: mini nie. So these were families that were so entwined 380 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 4: and so close knit. They were a family in and 381 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 4: of themselves. Even said, it wasn't even like there were 382 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 4: two families. It was as if they were all one 383 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 4: family in business and in pleasure. 384 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 2: I mean, they decided to live twenty minutes apart. 385 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, ten miles from one another. 386 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 2: They were over at each other's house all the time 387 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 2: doing whatever. Those things open to have this all now 388 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: playing out. 389 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: But yes, that is. 390 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: I'm not sure how far they're going to go with 391 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 2: that theory and trying to prove it, or they're just 392 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 2: hinting at it and suggesting it. But if you give 393 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 2: an a juror's mind, another possibility, another option, And right 394 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 2: now they're saying, there's somebody else who had just as 395 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 2: much to gain from this, who made them it was 396 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,959 Speaker 2: a prosecutor. She said, this case is not about how 397 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 2: much he had to gain, but about how much he 398 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 2: had to lose. Wow, it wasn't about how much money 399 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: was coming, but he was about to lose his way 400 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 2: of life and had no way out. 401 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 3: He was desperate. 402 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 4: It's interesting because in the last two major court cases 403 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 4: we followed Diddy and then Brian Walsh, we saw both 404 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 4: of those defense teams choose not to put up a 405 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 4: defense at all. And it'll be interesting to see this 406 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 4: case because there are they are clearly at least an 407 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 4: opening statement suggesting they have a full defense, that they're 408 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 4: going to present an alternative theory. 409 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 2: You hear her, She said, she told the jury five 410 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 2: six or seven weeks, five six or seven weeks, and 411 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 2: they are almost getting I was ready for a really 412 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: boring a few weeks of testimony, and they acknowledged it. 413 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 2: They said, Hey, this is going to be a lot 414 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: of stats, a lot of info, a lot of financial records, 415 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 2: a lot. 416 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy in a story that is this salacious 417 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 4: and this horrific and this headline provoking that it could 418 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 4: immediately be so boring from the beginning. But once opening 419 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 4: arguments ended and testimony began. It so far, it's exactly 420 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 4: as they suggested, because they're getting into the financials of 421 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 4: the company. They're getting into the financials, they're getting into 422 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 4: the business. It is tedious, and it's not it's I 423 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 4: found myself kind of having to make myself focused thinking 424 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 4: about those jurors sitting in this room preparing themselves for 425 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 4: two months of this. 426 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 3: That's a lot. 427 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 2: And then the guy that's up now as we're recording this, 428 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 2: they're on lunch break. But that guy was frustrating the 429 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 2: hell out of the judge and he was trying to 430 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 2: read through emails and he was just all over the 431 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 2: place and all this. Yes, it was one of them. 432 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 2: I know these folks don't testify all the time, but yes, 433 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 2: but yeah, folks with just want to hop on and 434 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 2: give you that update. This is one we're keep a 435 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 2: close eye on. Anytime there is a significant update. 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