WEBVTT - Don’t get mad at me for saying this.

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<v Speaker 1>Brother. Please hear me, Please hear me. This is not

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<v Speaker 1>a knock on you or your life or your upbringing.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason he says it, it's not to make our

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<v Speaker 1>lives bad or in any way to great us. He

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<v Speaker 1>does it because he's protecting us from your story. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to the podcast. I love this guest. Chad Warren

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<v Speaker 1>sitting to my left. So good to have you. Father, husband,

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<v Speaker 1>pastor at first Baptist Georgetown and now assistant sixth grade

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<v Speaker 1>girls basketball coach. Okay, how's that going. It's interesting you

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know what kind of patience is required when

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<v Speaker 1>you are coaching sixth grade girls basketball. Okay, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>new level. Maybe I'll be there one day. Yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you are, because it's a it's a process of

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of taking off the rough edges. Listen is

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<v Speaker 1>in fourth, Yeah, she's in fourth. So I'm right behind you.

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<v Speaker 1>Because even coaching, the difference between coaching my sons and

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<v Speaker 1>my and then coaching my daughter so different. Just yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I bet, I bet a different approach in every way.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to add to your resume. Also, now you

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<v Speaker 1>are podcast host, yes, of the Take and Read podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Take and A and D Read podcast that could

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<v Speaker 1>I could. I just say that because it makes me

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<v Speaker 1>feel good to say it's a spin off of this podcast. Yes, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>you are Grandfather Godfather like. It is absolutely a spin off,

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope, I hope it keeps spinning. It's been

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<v Speaker 1>so fun. You've actually had Parker, me Bernie as guests.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the three that I know that have been

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<v Speaker 1>on this microphone. So it is the in depth journey

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<v Speaker 1>that you could take after you hear this podcast and

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<v Speaker 1>you go gyle le either they're talking about some some

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<v Speaker 1>Bible stuff, and then the Take and Read podcast goes

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<v Speaker 1>into the actual Bible. You have it open. You're actually

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<v Speaker 1>going through scripture in a very entry level way, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't mean that in any kind of negative way,

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<v Speaker 1>besides the fact that it's it's literally take the scripture,

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<v Speaker 1>read it slowly, one line at a time, just a

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<v Speaker 1>few lines, and discuss what jumps off the page at you.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not you're not referencing some deep theological sermon or

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<v Speaker 1>you're just going what do you do? What do you

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<v Speaker 1>think this means? Yeah, I mean part of the format

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<v Speaker 1>is that a guest and you've experienced this now a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of times. You are now our most frequent guest

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<v Speaker 1>because you've been on there twice. But the idea is

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<v Speaker 1>that you don't know the passage. Yeah, because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want you to be able to study it in advance

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<v Speaker 1>research find cool nuanced things and definitions and commentaries. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just two followers of the Lord breaking open the text

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<v Speaker 1>and reading it guided by the Holy Spirit. Let's have

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation and let's apply this thing to our life.

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<v Speaker 1>So good Man and I listened on the way to Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to the one with you and Parker. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that the most recent one? Well, yes, so, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>unless you count the one that you're in. Okay, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the most recent one. Okay, I got you. So I

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<v Speaker 1>listened to the one with you and Parker, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was just I was. I really loved it. I really

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<v Speaker 1>loved the flow of it. So for you guys listening,

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<v Speaker 1>he releases on Wednesday, Take and Read podcast. Highly recommend it.

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<v Speaker 1>The format of this podcast is I answer your questions

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<v Speaker 1>whatever they might be. It could be any subject. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't limit the subjects at all, and you'll find out

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<v Speaker 1>today that they are all over the map. But you

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<v Speaker 1>could email Granger Smith podcasted email dot com and then

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<v Speaker 1>Chad and I we'll go through this without notes, without preparation.

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<v Speaker 1>Chad has not heard any of these questions, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have only skimmed the first couple of lines and just

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<v Speaker 1>enough to categorize what they're what they're going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>And we we like to do it in a setting

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<v Speaker 1>where it's almost like we're sitting around a campfire. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we're camping and there's two of us and we're sitting

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<v Speaker 1>on logs and there's enough there's a third person, and

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<v Speaker 1>it goes you know, it's kind of quiet as we're

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<v Speaker 1>watching the fire crackle and you go, can I ask

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<v Speaker 1>you guys something? You know, something I've been kind of

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<v Speaker 1>wrestling with or something I'm excited about or a question

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really trying to iron out in my life. And

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<v Speaker 1>we go, okay, let's walk through this. Yeah, And like

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<v Speaker 1>that setting, you're not always going to take your friend's advice,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know that there's no like, there's no motivation

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you other than what's on their mind. And

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're gonna shoot straight with you. And that's what

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to try to do, cause I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>inevitable we will get a question and we'll go, well

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<v Speaker 1>that I have ten more questions based on their question

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<v Speaker 1>about the scenario, and we just don't have that information.

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<v Speaker 1>So we just man, we just go with what we

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<v Speaker 1>got and take it or leave it. Let me make

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<v Speaker 1>a confession to you today, as I was prepping for

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast, one of the questions that I was looking

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<v Speaker 1>at had a number on it, a phone number on it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was tempted to reach out to that phone

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<v Speaker 1>number and say, could we put you live on the podcast?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, so comment below if that's something that that

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<v Speaker 1>would might be interesting, if maybe once a podcast we

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<v Speaker 1>actually call them, that would be awesome. That'd be wild.

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<v Speaker 1>The only reason I didn't just jump on it today

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<v Speaker 1>was I was like, technically, how am I going to

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<v Speaker 1>hook the phone up? I tell, yeah, how am I

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<v Speaker 1>going to like live while I'm doing this? And of

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<v Speaker 1>course I could figure it out, but but I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of just say it on the air with

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<v Speaker 1>you too, that it is a possibility that one day

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<v Speaker 1>we could call somebody, read their question as they're on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone, and then me and you walk through it

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<v Speaker 1>and they could respond back. It would be kind of good.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be Yeah, I'm up for that. That would

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<v Speaker 1>be awesome. All right, first question of the day. You

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<v Speaker 1>know I like to go with the light one. First

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<v Speaker 1>I found this out septic line says my pups are

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<v Speaker 1>frustrating sometimes. Hey Grange your My name is Austin. I

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<v Speaker 1>live in Virginia. Me and my fiance have two pups

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<v Speaker 1>right now. One it's becoming really let me read this again.

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<v Speaker 1>We have two pups right now and it's becoming really difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have as much of an issue, but the

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<v Speaker 1>puppies have gotten to be a good size where my

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<v Speaker 1>fiance is finding it hard to control them. We love

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<v Speaker 1>them so much. We're taking we are taking it really

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<v Speaker 1>hard and having so much trouble. We've contemplated selling them

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<v Speaker 1>to a good home. But I just can't help feeling

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<v Speaker 1>like I would be abandoning them just because the going

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<v Speaker 1>is getting tough. Any advice would be much appreciated. To

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<v Speaker 1>look forward to listening to your podcast. Austin, you have

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<v Speaker 1>any dogs we have? Yeah, we have our dog and

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<v Speaker 1>we were never gonna to have dogs. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>was in Africa and Uganda and I was up in

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<v Speaker 1>a mountain village there speaking to some pastors and after lunch,

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<v Speaker 1>one of them came out with a box that had

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<v Speaker 1>a puppy in it, and it was a gift. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>normally you can expect a goat or a chicken, which

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<v Speaker 1>is something that you would then butcher and eat. And

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<v Speaker 1>everyone I was with was like, you can't eat a dog.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you going to do with this thing? So

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<v Speaker 1>my wife, trying to kind of be good and supportive,

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<v Speaker 1>who had always said we're never going to own a dog,

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<v Speaker 1>partially because there's I mean, there's a lot of factors,

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<v Speaker 1>but so not that we don't like dogs, but she said, yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>if you can get him home. We found a way

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<v Speaker 1>to get him home. So we have a dog. He's

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<v Speaker 1>two years old. And I can relate to Austin's sentiment.

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<v Speaker 1>Puppies are challenging. They are destructive. They are like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously there's good methods of training, but they can still

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<v Speaker 1>just get they can fry straight. Yeah, totally, Austin. I

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<v Speaker 1>got a couple a couple of directions. I can go

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<v Speaker 1>with you here. First, I want to, just like Chad,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to affirm your your struggle. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you I want to speak into you right now

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<v Speaker 1>that that rehoming this these dogs or this or one

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<v Speaker 1>dog is is not a knock on you. It's not bad.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a bad thing. You're you're not abandoning him

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<v Speaker 1>as long as you're rehoming properly, responsibly rehoming this dog,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're you're making a conscious effort to find the

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<v Speaker 1>right home. Hey, but there's nothing wrong with that. I

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<v Speaker 1>would rather you do that. Then you just kindle this

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<v Speaker 1>dog and it just has a terrible life in your apartment.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a couple of more components of this one.

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<v Speaker 1>What you're feeling is very normal and will go away

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<v Speaker 1>when they hit about two years old. Yeah, but somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>around two, there's like this magical time in a dog's

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<v Speaker 1>life where that just become a good dog. You get

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<v Speaker 1>you get as a puppy, they're so cute, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they get to this teenage age, which I have one

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<v Speaker 1>right now. She's about twenty months, eighteen twenty months something

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and it's just like they're like a teenager.

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<v Speaker 1>Just yes, like they know the rules, but they sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>will look at you and do the opposite. Yeah, you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>what you know better? So you could I could suggest this,

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<v Speaker 1>but it costs money, but you could ship them away

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<v Speaker 1>to some kind of doggy boot camp. I know they

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<v Speaker 1>have them in Austin, and it's expensive, it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand bucks, but they're gone and they'll take them for

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<v Speaker 1>four to six weeks and they will come back a

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<v Speaker 1>new dog. And you have to do some training too,

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<v Speaker 1>because they are now accustomed to a certain type of

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<v Speaker 1>commands and treatment and triggers and so you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>learn all that stuff. Yeah, and I'm like right there

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<v Speaker 1>on the fence right now with our youngest Luna, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really want to spend thousand dollars on this dog.

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<v Speaker 1>And from the very beginning, I was like, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to do that. I'm not gonna do that to

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<v Speaker 1>the I'm going to train this dog myself. But then

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<v Speaker 1>I start touring and then we have a baby, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, maybe I should ship this dog away from

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<v Speaker 1>how she's She's like twenty months, so you're like four

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<v Speaker 1>to five months away from the chill out period. But

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<v Speaker 1>this summer, I think she's gonna start chilling out. So

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<v Speaker 1>so there's that Those are the different components. Or you

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<v Speaker 1>could do it yourself and just wait out the storm.

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<v Speaker 1>But I understand your frustration and you guys, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be doing this with a baby. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you guys are planning on you know, if the wedding soon,

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<v Speaker 1>you got a baby coming soon, you don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be dealing with this and a newborn in the house.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would you could also much a much cheaper

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<v Speaker 1>option is you could do the puppy class with them

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<v Speaker 1>and do a group class. Yeah, you can do obedience training, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>where you're there, and that's that's instead of a thousand bucks,

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<v Speaker 1>that's like a hundred bucks, which is still a chunk

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<v Speaker 1>of change. But you show up with the dog and

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<v Speaker 1>like every Monday, you know, Mondays at six pm. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember doing that with a lab I had many years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>So and that's probably more accountability that the dog will

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<v Speaker 1>get trained and you will be an effective dog owner

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<v Speaker 1>than like watching YouTube channels, because there are YouTube channels

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<v Speaker 1>that are like, you know, learn to train your dog

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<v Speaker 1>in seven steps, are it's not gonna work. So funny story,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember taking my lab Rio. This was in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and two. I got this dog. I was living

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<v Speaker 1>by myself in Nashville, got this dog, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the great, great idea of getting this puppy,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was awesome, and then he hits this teenage stage.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, grab, I'm gonna sign him up.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna go to a camp together. So he signed

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<v Speaker 1>up for this this training every Monday, and day one

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<v Speaker 1>I showed up with him and they had they had

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<v Speaker 1>this table, this like folding table set up with all

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<v Speaker 1>these papers and they were taken. There was a line

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<v Speaker 1>of people and everyone was signing up, you know, to

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<v Speaker 1>join the class. And so I go up there with

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<v Speaker 1>Rio on the leash, and he sees another dog and

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<v Speaker 1>he takes off and his leash wraps around that falling table.

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<v Speaker 1>It just whips it up, whips it together. The whole

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<v Speaker 1>table collapses and all the papers go everywhere. That's like

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<v Speaker 1>a movie scene. You got the most challenging dog, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is what happens at doggy training. And all I

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<v Speaker 1>could say was now you know why I'm here, and

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<v Speaker 1>everyone just kind of laughed. I mean, in any other

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<v Speaker 1>situation it would have been terrible, except for the doggy

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<v Speaker 1>training class. We go, yeah, well, welcome, welcome to the class.

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<v Speaker 1>Good question, awesome, good luck to you brother. One more

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<v Speaker 1>easy one Granger. I was wondering what you put in

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<v Speaker 1>your coffee every morning? Do you drink black, cream, sugar, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>I love what you do. Thanks for thanks for always

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<v Speaker 1>being there for us fans. This comes from Michael, So

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<v Speaker 1>keep in mind this is he's just fresh off of

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<v Speaker 1>brushing his teeth and they're minty clean. That's right. If

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<v Speaker 1>you want to know the backstory of that goes, check

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<v Speaker 1>out the first episode of the Take and Read podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>We hear about his morning routine. So he's got mint

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<v Speaker 1>on the mouth, he's minty. So what do you pair

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<v Speaker 1>with mint in your coffee? Oh? Chad loves the story,

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<v Speaker 1>but I like to drink drink coffee after I brushed

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<v Speaker 1>my teeth in the morning. Comment below, do you brush

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<v Speaker 1>your teeth after you drink coffee or before? I like

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<v Speaker 1>to wake up and brush my teeth and then drink coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's weird. Obviously Chad really thinks it's weird.

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<v Speaker 1>I've gotten more comments about that than anything else in

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<v Speaker 1>the emails that I get. And now people in the

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<v Speaker 1>subject line will put the order of events. They'll put

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<v Speaker 1>like brush, coffee brush or double brush. Yeah there's some

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<v Speaker 1>double brush lash there. Yeah, that's rush when the gums.

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<v Speaker 1>And some people are like, well, it depends on the

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<v Speaker 1>time of day, Like for Granger, it's first thing in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning. But some people are like, I brush my

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<v Speaker 1>teeth first because I don't drink coffee for another couple hours.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, well, that makes sense. Some are moms that just,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the morning happens and then they're getting kids

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<v Speaker 1>to school and things are happening. But you it's like

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<v Speaker 1>you wake up, guzzle water, brush your teeth, then get

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<v Speaker 1>ready for your nice cup of coffee. So what do

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<v Speaker 1>you put in your Okay, okay, I don't put anything

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<v Speaker 1>in my coffee, just straight black. And I used to

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<v Speaker 1>I've gone through phases in my life where I'll go

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get really into like drip coffee or French press.

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<v Speaker 1>And I used to do this on the bus. I

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<v Speaker 1>would get like really good beans and then grind them

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<v Speaker 1>and then French press that are dripped and get really

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<v Speaker 1>into it. And I always go back to the cake cup,

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<v Speaker 1>the curried cup. I'm just like, man, there's luckily, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I'm very blessed in this aspect. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a coffee snob and I'm definitely not a

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<v Speaker 1>wine snob, like, thank god, I don't have a high,

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<v Speaker 1>high falutin taste for right, that can get spendy gosh. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And same with coffee, like I'll take I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want the cheapest stuff you got, but give me

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<v Speaker 1>the next level up from your cheapest stuff, I'll drink

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<v Speaker 1>it black good to go. Yeah, that's so good. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you visit like when you're on tour, do you visit

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<v Speaker 1>coffee shops? Yeah? Yeah, we Actually I do like coffee

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<v Speaker 1>shops because usually it's the first thing that's open in

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<v Speaker 1>the town that we go to park and it's seven

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning, I get up the bus and the

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<v Speaker 1>coffee shop is the only place that's opened, so you

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<v Speaker 1>can go in there. You can you can get like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a small breakfast like a taco or something, and

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<v Speaker 1>then a cup of coffee. And I will say that

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<v Speaker 1>if it's I never try to drink a coffee after

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<v Speaker 1>three o'clock in the afternoon, that will affect my nighttime.

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<v Speaker 1>But if it's like two o'clock, one o'clock, and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>go to a coffee shop, I could do cream then,

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<v Speaker 1>like okay, I could do a cappuccino. Yeah, but first

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<v Speaker 1>thing in the morning, it's always black. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>do You ever drink coffee pregame? Like before a show?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have to think about what you eat and

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<v Speaker 1>drink in order, like how that's gonna affect your energy?

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<v Speaker 1>And there's times when I do. There's times when I

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<v Speaker 1>had a three am, you know, airport call, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the show's at ten pm that night, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have time for a nap, and I'll just I'll have

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<v Speaker 1>to weigh it out, like do I want to have

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<v Speaker 1>a have a better show with a kick of caffeine,

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<v Speaker 1>or do I want to make sure I have a

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<v Speaker 1>good night's sleep tonight? And sometimes I could weigh it

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<v Speaker 1>out where it's like, man, I'm so tired, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go to sleep after the show no matter what. So

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<v Speaker 1>a cup of coffee right for the show, give me

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<v Speaker 1>energized for that ninety minutes? Yea, And it literally does.

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<v Speaker 1>It will energize me just for that show, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I can come off the stage and still crash pretty quick.

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<v Speaker 1>I go, I go to sleep fast after my show. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we we were introduced, my wife and I were introduced

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<v Speaker 1>the concept of a Napa Chino. Okay, now I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if this is true, but we believe Again, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that this is true, but that it takes

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<v Speaker 1>about twenty minutes for caffeine to hit the system. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's something about if you like just down a cup

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<v Speaker 1>of coffee or some sort of caffeine without sugar in it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then can go and sleep for twenty minutes, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>wake up feeling like eight hours of sleep just you've

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<v Speaker 1>done this. Yeah, it works sometimes sometimes if I can

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<v Speaker 1>get to sleep and it's a good sleep, twenty minutes, bam,

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<v Speaker 1>I wake up and I feel restored. Interesting the Napa Chino.

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<v Speaker 1>The key is you can't have sugar in that because

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going to fall asleep. You don't have sugar

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of any No, that stuff bad for you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we can talk about it another time. Hey, side note,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I might have told you this before. There's

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<v Speaker 1>been scientific studies on rats. You can addict rats, if

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<v Speaker 1>that's what is that a word? Addict? You could make

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<v Speaker 1>rats addicted to cocaine in a cage and introduce sugar.

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<v Speaker 1>They will reject the cocaine and go to the sugar

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<v Speaker 1>every time. Come on, what does he say? What does

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<v Speaker 1>that say about us, Right, what does that say about

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<v Speaker 1>our sugar addictions? Worse than cocaine? Yeah? All right, let's

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<v Speaker 1>get you another question. Is that one of those comments

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<v Speaker 1>that will make the tagline of the worst than cocaine? Maybe?

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<v Speaker 1>So the thumbnail yes, okay, this one says friends parentheses

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<v Speaker 1>for Granger and pastor Chad. Oh right on high Granger

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<v Speaker 1>and Pastor Chad. I'm right outside of Seattle, Washington. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>turning sixteen in June, and I go to a good

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<v Speaker 1>sized church, about fifteen hundred members. That is good size,

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<v Speaker 1>especially for Seattle. I have had I have not had

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<v Speaker 1>any friends for about four to five years ever since

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<v Speaker 1>becoming homeschooled. I have a few people I talk to,

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<v Speaker 1>but none I'm close with because we have nothing in common.

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<v Speaker 1>They like cameras and businesses. I like snowmobiling, biking, hunting,

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<v Speaker 1>and scuba diving. When I talk about anything that they

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<v Speaker 1>don't like, they get annoyed and board. How can I

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<v Speaker 1>find people I have more things in common with and

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<v Speaker 1>make friends? Timmy, it comes from Timmy and so Timmy sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen years old, homeschool so probably sixteen is what junior? Yeah, sophomore,

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<v Speaker 1>sophomore sophomore junior year. So man, right off the bat,

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<v Speaker 1>Right off the bat, I would say, I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>these hobbies that you mentioned, where's he from? Seattle, snowma, biling,

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<v Speaker 1>dirt biking, hunting, and scuba diving. Doesn't it feel like, Timmy,

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<v Speaker 1>you could go to the places where these things are

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<v Speaker 1>done and find like minded people. Right off the bat. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it sounds like the people that he does laugh with,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's at church or it's because he goes to

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty large church he said, fifteen hundred people. Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>it's you know, a youth group setting, or maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>within the home school kind of world that he's in

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<v Speaker 1>a homeschool co op that he just tends not to

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<v Speaker 1>be doing life with the same people that enjoy the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that he does outside of that. So I can

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<v Speaker 1>see the challenge. Sure, that's definitely challenging. Yeah, I see

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<v Speaker 1>the challenge, Timmy. I would go to you got winter

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<v Speaker 1>coming up? This this this email came yesterday, so we're relevant.

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<v Speaker 1>We got winter time coming up. I would go to

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<v Speaker 1>the mountain, and what's the mountain right outside of Seattle.

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<v Speaker 1>It's beautiful mountain. Rin Near is south of Seattle. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a good ski resort not far from him called Mission Ridge.

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<v Speaker 1>The Mission Ridge, I'm a fan of. It's you have

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of go over the cascades. I would go there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would go to the snowmobiling place, the rental place,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and I would go up to the dude

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<v Speaker 1>that works there and just go, hey, my name is

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<v Speaker 1>Timmy Man. I love snowmobiling, and I don't have anybody

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<v Speaker 1>to do it with me. Yeah, is there anyone that

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<v Speaker 1>comes in here every day? And he's probably going to go, Man,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone that comes here left snow. Yeah, come come back

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<v Speaker 1>here tomorrow at three o'clock. We have a group going.

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<v Speaker 1>There's seven of us, and we take the hard trail. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and it's we go overnight, we camp, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna you're just gonna fall face first into this

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<v Speaker 1>group of friends that love what you do. And I

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<v Speaker 1>would say too that if you if you found that

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<v Speaker 1>there was maybe somebody that was even slightly receptive to

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<v Speaker 1>the times that you talked about snowmobiling or hunting or

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<v Speaker 1>just outdoor adventures, invite them and totally just figure out

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<v Speaker 1>a way to make it where it costs them nothing, Like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>just come with me, have you ever gone hunting, or

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<v Speaker 1>have you ever stalked an animal? Or have you ever

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<v Speaker 1>gone snowmobiling. I'd love for you to be my guest.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to check it out because it is

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<v Speaker 1>so cool, and just see if there's somebody that's been

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat receptive and invite them along. I got something for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Just just just occurred to me when you were saying it.

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<v Speaker 1>So for some reason, I was wondering why he said,

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<v Speaker 1>these people have nothing in common with me. They like

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<v Speaker 1>cas and businesses. It's weird that he said that. But

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<v Speaker 1>when you said it, you started saying, I said, I thought, man,

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<v Speaker 1>ask the camera guy to go and come in videos

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<v Speaker 1>as part of a business and make a cool videos.

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<v Speaker 1>Make a video or a hunting Yeah, hunting all the

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<v Speaker 1>show perfect. Go to your camera guy. I mean that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I've done my whole life. I gravitate towards the

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<v Speaker 1>camera guys, and I'm like, hey, will you come to

0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:28.800
<v Speaker 1>my show and film and this is perfect. There's your connection, Tommy.

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<v Speaker 1>When you have a really famous hunting show on Netflix,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to call that the second spin off, Timmy. Yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we only take ten percent. Well, we got time for

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<v Speaker 1>one more question here, let's knock one out. Gosh, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if this is going to be easier or not.

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<v Speaker 1>The title is Pastor Chad am I wrong? All right? Hey?

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<v Speaker 1>Their My name is Tess. I've really enjoyed listening to

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast, especially when Pastor Chad is on. I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>single mother with a young son. I left my husband

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<v Speaker 1>because he had anger issues. He was emotionally, mentally and

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<v Speaker 1>physically abusive towards me. We were married for six years

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<v Speaker 1>without really realizing I was living in domestic violence. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been told by many, including pastors, that I have no

0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:20.760
<v Speaker 1>grounds for leaving him parentheses filing for divorce because there

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't infidelity and he didn't leave me. I believe this

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<v Speaker 1>to be legalistic. We've tried counseling, and I wanted him

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<v Speaker 1>to admit he had anger issues. He never did, and

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<v Speaker 1>thought that the problem was our marriage instead. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I've gone against God, and I'm just confused

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<v Speaker 1>as to what I should have done. I think about

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<v Speaker 1>this quite often, so I hope you could lead me

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<v Speaker 1>to some insight. I appreciate it. God bless tests. So

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<v Speaker 1>she's asking if she's wrong to have either filed for

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<v Speaker 1>divorce or to have left. I would say, if you

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<v Speaker 1>if somebody is in an abusive relationship, there is no

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<v Speaker 1>question get out of that. Separate yourself from the situation

0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:13.040
<v Speaker 1>immediately for you and your son. So I don't think

0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:15.720
<v Speaker 1>you're wrong to do that. So that's her question. She's

0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:22.200
<v Speaker 1>saying because there wasn't domestic violence. I thought she was

0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:25.720
<v Speaker 1>saying because there wasn't infidelity, because I'm sorry there wasn't infidelity.

0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:28.200
<v Speaker 1>You're right, You're right. I read that wrong without realizing

0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:31.920
<v Speaker 1>that I was living in domestic violence, but there wasn't infidelity.

0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:38.840
<v Speaker 1>There is, Yeah, I would say, truly, you're right in

0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:41.640
<v Speaker 1>separating yourself from the situation for both you and your son.

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<v Speaker 1>That is absolutely supported. You know, husbands are called to

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<v Speaker 1>live with their lives in an understanding way, to regard

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<v Speaker 1>them as the weaker vessel, meaning there to be their protectors,

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<v Speaker 1>not the one that brings them harm. And so in

0:24:57.320 --> 0:25:01.120
<v Speaker 1>that circumstance, any husband that is abusive in any way,

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<v Speaker 1>shape or form is in violation of what they've been

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<v Speaker 1>called to do. To love their bride like Christ loves

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<v Speaker 1>the church like that's a clear violation it does. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there are definitely passages that talk about grounds for divorce,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's even theological positions and theologians that talk about

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<v Speaker 1>there's no grounds for divorce, and that the passages within

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew that kind of give grounds for divorce are no

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<v Speaker 1>grounds at all. And so without going into that level

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<v Speaker 1>of theological controversy, there's certainly a wise step that you've taken.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is God's heart that nobody divorces anybody who's

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<v Speaker 1>been married his desire because of what marriage means and

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<v Speaker 1>how it represents him and his church. That's never his desire. However,

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<v Speaker 1>we live in a fallen and broken world, and so

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<v Speaker 1>there are going to be times where the marriage is

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<v Speaker 1>fractured and is broken, but know this, it is never

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<v Speaker 1>his desire. Yeah, that a marriage not work. He also

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<v Speaker 1>never desires anyone to be lost. He wants he desires

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<v Speaker 1>all to be saved. He desires there never to be murder.

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<v Speaker 1>But we know that not everyone's saved. We know that

0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:20.040
<v Speaker 1>there is murder, We know that there is divorce, and

0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:22.639
<v Speaker 1>he calls it. He Paul talks about this in the

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<v Speaker 1>New Testament. For those that are for women that become

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<v Speaker 1>Christians and are with unbelieving husbands. He does not tell

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<v Speaker 1>them to divorce their unbelieving husbands, but he says to

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<v Speaker 1>live with them in an understanding way and to serve

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<v Speaker 1>them and to love them in an effort to possibly

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<v Speaker 1>win them to the Lord. Now, this circumstance is different

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<v Speaker 1>because there is this abusive component. You know, so you're

0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:53.280
<v Speaker 1>not wrong to separate. The question about divorce is a

0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:58.080
<v Speaker 1>much more difficult question. My encouragement in this situation is

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<v Speaker 1>to remain soparated. But if if you're willing to engage

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<v Speaker 1>in counseling, pastoral counseling or professional Christian counseling, do that

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<v Speaker 1>and see if there's a way that restoration of your

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<v Speaker 1>marriage can occur. I would say divorce is a last

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:18.360
<v Speaker 1>absolute last, last last resort. Is that she's going through

0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:21.680
<v Speaker 1>it or she hasn't divorced yet. Seems like she said

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:24.320
<v Speaker 1>I left my husband, but they do sound like there's

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:27.200
<v Speaker 1>not finalized yet. Yeah, Okay, we're gonna take a break

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<v Speaker 1>and then I'm gonna be back and I'm gonna I'm

0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:31.240
<v Speaker 1>gonna stick on this question. Test. I want to I

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about something that you might be wrong about,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say something here, And the only reason

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say this coming out of this break

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<v Speaker 1>is I want to go through all of these emails

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<v Speaker 1>that you guys send with the fine tooth coment. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to read. I want to read through what it

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:14.480
<v Speaker 1>sounds like you're saying. And so, first of all, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to I just want to acknowledge that I think

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:20.919
<v Speaker 1>you're doing everything right. I think you're right to leave

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:25.080
<v Speaker 1>a domestic violence abusive relationship, absolutely, But I want to

0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:28.040
<v Speaker 1>lean into something you said and wonder if there is

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<v Speaker 1>something in here that maybe is something you could wrestle

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<v Speaker 1>within yourself. When you said this, you said we tried counseling,

0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 1>and I just wanted him to admit he had anger issues.

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<v Speaker 1>He never did and thought the problem was our marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't always go into problems with one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 1>fingers facing the other way, with none facing us. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that you were wrong or he was

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<v Speaker 1>all right or wrong, And I'm just saying when you're

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<v Speaker 1>when you're going into counseling as if it's all him,

0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:09.480
<v Speaker 1>even it might be, but you're going into counseling like

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:12.080
<v Speaker 1>it is all his problem and you just need him

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<v Speaker 1>to admit that he's wrong. You're not going to get

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<v Speaker 1>a positive result out of that. You're never gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>He's not gonna go, Okay, you're right, babe, you were

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<v Speaker 1>right all along. I admit it. I have anger issues,

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<v Speaker 1>like that's not gonna He's just not gonna do that

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<v Speaker 1>unless you go into the counseling and go, babe, I

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<v Speaker 1>got I have things I have to work on too,

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<v Speaker 1>And I want you to know that I love you,

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<v Speaker 1>and I decided to love you a long time ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why we got married. And that's why we

0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:47.640
<v Speaker 1>had a child together. And although I'm not happy with

0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:51.960
<v Speaker 1>the way that this is turning out right now, I

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:54.240
<v Speaker 1>want you to know that I'm also working on myself

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and see if that kind of humility not

0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 1>back in down to him not not admitting that he's

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:04.920
<v Speaker 1>right about any kind of abuse. But if you just

0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:08.319
<v Speaker 1>approach with a humility into counseling, of wonder if that

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 1>changes anything. Yeah, I mean the passagen I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>First Corinthians seven where it talks about unbelieving wives, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>staying with or believing wives with unbelieving husbands. The idea

0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:24.759
<v Speaker 1>is that they would remain with their husbands in a

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:27.440
<v Speaker 1>in a humble with a humble heart, right, And so

0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:33.439
<v Speaker 1>this idea of humility God uses that it's transformative when

0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:36.799
<v Speaker 1>when that happens, and so there is something to be said.

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:40.759
<v Speaker 1>Now again we're not saying, hey, go and just you know,

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 1>engage in a relationship and just go into this abusive

0:36:44.560 --> 0:36:49.880
<v Speaker 1>situation again, be wise, and but don't give up on

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 1>the marriage. That's what I would say, that fight for

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:57.600
<v Speaker 1>the marriage because God's desires that your marriage would display,

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:01.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, Christ's love to a watching world and to

0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:04.719
<v Speaker 1>see restoration and that would be my heart. Again, not

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:07.320
<v Speaker 1>having met you don't know many details about the situation,

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:13.240
<v Speaker 1>but divorce is absolutely a last resort and so protect

0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:18.080
<v Speaker 1>you and your son. But as Granger said, see counseling

0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:21.680
<v Speaker 1>and ask the Lord for a heart of humility as

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:24.279
<v Speaker 1>you engage in that counseling and see if there's work

0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:26.759
<v Speaker 1>that he wants to do in you. Yeah, and he

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:29.520
<v Speaker 1>might do that in you and through you to your husband.

0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:34.320
<v Speaker 1>God is fully capable of changing the heart of your husband. Absolutely. Absolutely.

0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:36.520
<v Speaker 1>A quick answer to what I thank you, what you

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:40.040
<v Speaker 1>really wanted us to say is are these pastors wrong

0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:42.480
<v Speaker 1>by telling you you have no grounds for leaving him? Yes,

0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:46.360
<v Speaker 1>they're wrong. You're wrong about that. You absolutely you're domestically abused.

0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 1>You absolutely have grounds for leaving for protection. So there

0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:54.919
<v Speaker 1>is that, but that's not that's not the whole story here, right,

0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:59.160
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, And it's the difference between leaving or separating

0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:02.440
<v Speaker 1>versus divorce. There's all kinds of theological discussion that can

0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:07.759
<v Speaker 1>happen around that. Absolutely, and you picked the easy one

0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:12.800
<v Speaker 1>on that last one that I get so many emails

0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:14.840
<v Speaker 1>for you now, and I told you this before we

0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:18.279
<v Speaker 1>started that I literally have to just file them away

0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:20.080
<v Speaker 1>and I'm never going to get to all of them.

0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:22.000
<v Speaker 1>But so I'm wondering do we keep doing these Pastor

0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:24.359
<v Speaker 1>Chad emails? Because here's another one. Okay, so it's four

0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Pastor Chad High Granger and Pastor Chad is church really important?

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 1>My name is Zach. I'm nineteen years old. Growing up,

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I was always told that going to services is important,

0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:38.840
<v Speaker 1>but I couldn't really understand why. And recently I found

0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:41.400
<v Speaker 1>that I connected to God much better when I prayed

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:44.400
<v Speaker 1>to Him on my own rather than praying together with

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:47.319
<v Speaker 1>the congregation. I love your music, Ranger. I was just

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 1>hit your show and war in Ohio had an amazing time.

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:56.399
<v Speaker 1>You really made me feel like I was very special. Okay,

0:38:56.560 --> 0:39:02.600
<v Speaker 1>so this comes from Zach nineteen. This is a simple answer, really,

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:08.400
<v Speaker 1>and Zach, yes, it's important, it's important, but it's not

0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:12.160
<v Speaker 1>the first step. It's not the first Going to church

0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 1>is not your first step. And so if you're looking

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:15.960
<v Speaker 1>at it like do I need to go to church

0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:18.360
<v Speaker 1>to get closer to God? The answers no. That answers

0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:22.160
<v Speaker 1>always know. In fact, we had a discussion before this

0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:25.880
<v Speaker 1>podcast about other religions that would think that Yeah, that

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:28.480
<v Speaker 1>was you. You do things to get closer to God.

0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:33.719
<v Speaker 1>You pray, you repent, you go to church, You help

0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:35.440
<v Speaker 1>old ladies across the street more and more and more

0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 1>and more, and you get closer to God. That's not Christianity.

0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:43.640
<v Speaker 1>So the reason I say it in that way, will

0:39:43.680 --> 0:39:48.839
<v Speaker 1>going to church help me? No, going to Jesus will

0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:52.640
<v Speaker 1>help you. And going to Jesus and falling madly in

0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:55.560
<v Speaker 1>love with Him as your Lord and savior. If you

0:39:55.640 --> 0:40:00.480
<v Speaker 1>do that, you're gonna want to go to church badly.

0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:03.520
<v Speaker 1>Sunday morning's gonna roll around and you're gonna wake up

0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:06.480
<v Speaker 1>and you go church day. I can't wait to get

0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:09.680
<v Speaker 1>with fellow believers to share that, to share in the

0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:12.120
<v Speaker 1>same ideas that I have, and then we could wrestle

0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:14.600
<v Speaker 1>with the same theological things and we could we could

0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:16.680
<v Speaker 1>pray together for our city and for our town and

0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:19.480
<v Speaker 1>for our families, and I can get just a big

0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:22.880
<v Speaker 1>old jump shot into the week. That's what That's where

0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:25.520
<v Speaker 1>you want to be. But you can't do it in reverse.

0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:27.359
<v Speaker 1>You can't say I want to I don't really want

0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:30.520
<v Speaker 1>to go to church to get closer to God. I'm

0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:36.000
<v Speaker 1>fine just praying on my own. Yeah, talk to it. Yeah, yeah,

0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:39.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I echo what Granger says. It is not

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:45.680
<v Speaker 1>necessary to know the Lord by going to church. You

0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:49.920
<v Speaker 1>can certainly obviously have an individual walk with the Lord.

0:40:50.040 --> 0:40:53.000
<v Speaker 1>And as you said, you experience a closeness to God

0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:56.920
<v Speaker 1>on your own. And when you pray by yourself, you

0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:59.120
<v Speaker 1>feel more connected to the Lord than when you pray

0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:02.400
<v Speaker 1>with other people at try. So, yes, it is possible. However,

0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:06.520
<v Speaker 1>God designed this whole thing to be done in community,

0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:11.600
<v Speaker 1>that you were not never meant to be alone as

0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:14.839
<v Speaker 1>you walk with Him. It was you think about all

0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:18.080
<v Speaker 1>of the times in the New Testament where He commands

0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:21.400
<v Speaker 1>them to one another, love one another, serve one another.

0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:24.279
<v Speaker 1>You think of the fruits of the spirit. They all

0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:28.760
<v Speaker 1>require somebody else. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodnes, faithfulness,

0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:31.000
<v Speaker 1>and gentleness and self control. These are the things that

0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:34.160
<v Speaker 1>we do in the context of a community. We experience

0:41:34.280 --> 0:41:36.960
<v Speaker 1>the fruit of the spirit, and there are gifts of

0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:39.719
<v Speaker 1>the Spirit that are given to believers in order to

0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:44.200
<v Speaker 1>serve one another as the whole body. So do you

0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:48.799
<v Speaker 1>need the church, Yes, but also no, like you don't

0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:52.640
<v Speaker 1>need the church in order to connect with God. However,

0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:55.680
<v Speaker 1>God has designed you to be a part of the Church,

0:41:55.760 --> 0:41:59.399
<v Speaker 1>and so attending service on a Sunday morning is one thing,

0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:02.960
<v Speaker 1>but being a part of a local body is absolutely

0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:06.319
<v Speaker 1>necessary because that's what God intends for you. That you

0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:09.239
<v Speaker 1>won't experience the fullness of what God has for you

0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:13.360
<v Speaker 1>in isolation. It's intended to be experienced in the body

0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:17.440
<v Speaker 1>of Christ, with all members using their gifts to serve

0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:21.080
<v Speaker 1>one another and to draw out a greater understanding of

0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:23.880
<v Speaker 1>who He is, and also so a watching world sees

0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:27.240
<v Speaker 1>just what he's like. The Church is the bride of Christ.

0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:30.440
<v Speaker 1>To reject the church is to reject the bride of

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:34.839
<v Speaker 1>the Lord. So to speak to that, So, Zach, what

0:42:34.920 --> 0:42:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Chad saying is if you said, you say, I like

0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:43.319
<v Speaker 1>you Granger, I like you as a human, but I

0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:47.200
<v Speaker 1>just don't like Amber at all. Right, that's what you're saying,

0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:49.839
<v Speaker 1>because if the Church is the bride of Christ, then

0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:54.239
<v Speaker 1>you're saying, I like Granger, but I don't like Amber.

0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:57.160
<v Speaker 1>And you're telling me you hate me in a way

0:42:57.719 --> 0:43:00.279
<v Speaker 1>like you don't really like me. If you don't like

0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:04.840
<v Speaker 1>my bride, you don't like my music enough. If you say,

0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:06.960
<v Speaker 1>I just like listening to his music at home, but

0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:09.720
<v Speaker 1>I have no desire to see him in concert. Yeah,

0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:12.320
<v Speaker 1>that says more about how much you like my music,

0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:15.440
<v Speaker 1>because if you really loved it, if you really loved

0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:17.759
<v Speaker 1>my music, you'd say, I gotta go see him in

0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:20.520
<v Speaker 1>the concert. I gotta save up my money, I gotta

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:22.200
<v Speaker 1>get on a plane, I gotta get it in my truck.

0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:24.240
<v Speaker 1>I gotta go see him, no matter what it takes.

0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:26.440
<v Speaker 1>That's going to show the level of your love for

0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:28.640
<v Speaker 1>my music, the same as it's going to show your

0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:31.319
<v Speaker 1>level of love for God. If you go Sunday's here,

0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:34.160
<v Speaker 1>I gotta find a church. Hey this If this has

0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:36.680
<v Speaker 1>something to do with you not liking your church, there's

0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 1>plenty of other ones. Yeah, give me an email. I'll

0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:42.040
<v Speaker 1>help you find one. God. What is your email? You

0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:45.640
<v Speaker 1>can email take and read podcast at gmail dot com

0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:49.640
<v Speaker 1>and I'll respond to you. There's a buddy or a

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 1>pastor friend of mine uses the analogy that you know.

0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:58.279
<v Speaker 1>The way that Christians talk about church is interesting in

0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:00.840
<v Speaker 1>that we talk about it as a location or a destination,

0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:03.400
<v Speaker 1>something we go to. But if you talk to somebody

0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:06.680
<v Speaker 1>who's been in a gang, they don't talk about gang

0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:09.000
<v Speaker 1>in the same way that we talk about church. They

0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:11.960
<v Speaker 1>don't say, Hey, what'd you think of gang yesterday that

0:44:12.080 --> 0:44:14.960
<v Speaker 1>was really fun, or hey are you going to gang tonight?

0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Or man, gang really made me feel like, you know, empowered,

0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:24.560
<v Speaker 1>or just man, what a powerful time at gang this morning. No,

0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:27.000
<v Speaker 1>we don't. They don't talk. They are the gang, they're

0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:29.480
<v Speaker 1>a part of the gang, but they don't go to gang.

0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:32.560
<v Speaker 1>But we talk about going to church because we have

0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:35.560
<v Speaker 1>we fall into this mindset of it's a location that

0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:37.960
<v Speaker 1>I go to, not an identity that we are. We

0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:40.920
<v Speaker 1>are the church where two or more are gathered in

0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:44.960
<v Speaker 1>his name, He is there, so Granger, he's here right

0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:49.279
<v Speaker 1>because two or more are gathered. So what I would say,

0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Zach is, don't think of it as going to gang.

0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Realize that you are a part of the church, and

0:44:56.280 --> 0:45:00.480
<v Speaker 1>so what you experience in your personal time and an isolation, great,

0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:03.719
<v Speaker 1>but that's meant to be shared with other believers. That's

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:06.800
<v Speaker 1>meant for you to share and pass along with other people.

0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:09.520
<v Speaker 1>And yes, it can happen on a Sunday morning as

0:45:09.560 --> 0:45:13.200
<v Speaker 1>everyone gathers at that big building, but that building is

0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:16.520
<v Speaker 1>not the church. You're the church and you're a part

0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 1>of it. So you got to be a part of it.

0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:25.879
<v Speaker 1>So good, let's go to let's see that this one

0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:28.680
<v Speaker 1>came in. Oh, we're just going to dive in. It's

0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:30.560
<v Speaker 1>too late. Like once I pull it up and start reading,

0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:33.520
<v Speaker 1>it's too late. I can't bail on it. This came

0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:35.600
<v Speaker 1>in yesterday. It says, Hey, Grangeer, love your podcast. I'm

0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:38.800
<v Speaker 1>an avid listener. To get to my point, my fiance

0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:41.120
<v Speaker 1>a few weeks ago decided to tell me that she

0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:45.080
<v Speaker 1>wasn't happy anymore. We have an eighteen month old son together,

0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:48.720
<v Speaker 1>and he is my world. I love watching him learn

0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:52.120
<v Speaker 1>and grow every day. But because of the breakup, I

0:45:52.160 --> 0:45:54.320
<v Speaker 1>had to move out of the apartment we had together

0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:57.160
<v Speaker 1>and move back into my parents' house. She is my

0:45:57.280 --> 0:46:00.600
<v Speaker 1>favorite person and I loved spending time with her. I

0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:03.440
<v Speaker 1>love doing everything with her, from laying around on lazy

0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Sunday weekends lazy weekends, to trying new restaurants to go

0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:09.839
<v Speaker 1>into the same park we've been to one hundred times.

0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:13.600
<v Speaker 1>I feel lost and broken. I feel empty inside. I

0:46:13.600 --> 0:46:16.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know what to do with myself. I have no

0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:18.760
<v Speaker 1>want to get up and go to work or do anything.

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:21.319
<v Speaker 1>The only reason I do so is for my son,

0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:24.160
<v Speaker 1>so that I have the means to take care of him.

0:46:24.400 --> 0:46:26.759
<v Speaker 1>I just don't know what to do with myself. I've

0:46:26.800 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 1>lost my person and I don't know how to go on.

0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Thanks in advance for your time. I appreciate you taking

0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:37.440
<v Speaker 1>the time to read this and respond. Regards Jay Matthews.

0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:40.680
<v Speaker 1>This is the one that has the phone number on

0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:48.120
<v Speaker 1>oh I should we call him right now? Jay, I'm sorry, buddy,

0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:54.600
<v Speaker 1>great question, and I guess before we dive into it,

0:46:54.640 --> 0:47:00.320
<v Speaker 1>I just want to say I acknowledge your pain and

0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:06.319
<v Speaker 1>and the hurt. It's real and and I know this

0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 1>is very common in your story. As we've gone through

0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:13.120
<v Speaker 1>this podcast over so many episodes, we've seen this story

0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:18.080
<v Speaker 1>repeat itself. And we'll dig into to what to do

0:47:18.239 --> 0:47:22.000
<v Speaker 1>or what we think you could do going forward, and

0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:25.319
<v Speaker 1>we could dig into your feelings. But I just I

0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:28.120
<v Speaker 1>want to say to everyone listening right off the bat,

0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:33.840
<v Speaker 1>and this is Jay. This is not brother. Please hear me,

0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Please hear me. This is not a knock on you

0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:39.759
<v Speaker 1>or your life or your upbringing. But I want to

0:47:39.800 --> 0:47:45.160
<v Speaker 1>say that the reason God commands in the Bible to

0:47:48.200 --> 0:47:53.640
<v Speaker 1>save sex before marriage and to covet relationships in marriage

0:47:53.760 --> 0:47:57.320
<v Speaker 1>and not before, and to not live together in that sense,

0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:00.239
<v Speaker 1>all because of all the sexual tension. But and he

0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:03.560
<v Speaker 1>says it, it's not to make our lives bad, or

0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:07.200
<v Speaker 1>to to hurt us, or to make us, you know,

0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:10.680
<v Speaker 1>to make us prudes, or in any way to grade us.

0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:14.480
<v Speaker 1>He does it because he's protecting us from your story

0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:18.759
<v Speaker 1>from unfolding, because he knows. He knows, because because he

0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:22.200
<v Speaker 1>created us in his image, he knows through that creation,

0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:25.480
<v Speaker 1>how we're going to find peace and joy and happiness

0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:27.799
<v Speaker 1>and love, and how we're going to prosper. And so

0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:31.560
<v Speaker 1>he builds this this perfect scenario that we could follow

0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:34.160
<v Speaker 1>that if we do, we're gonna we're gonna see the

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:36.240
<v Speaker 1>fruits of it. And if we don't, we're gonna feel

0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:39.760
<v Speaker 1>this pain that you're talking about. That's a real pain.

0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:42.040
<v Speaker 1>And once again, this is not a knock on you.

0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:44.319
<v Speaker 1>This is just I want to use this as an

0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:47.880
<v Speaker 1>example to everyone listening of the perfect scenario of the

0:48:48.360 --> 0:48:51.000
<v Speaker 1>storm hits at the right time. If you if you

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:55.759
<v Speaker 1>don't have it ready and lined up biblically, yeah, it's

0:48:55.840 --> 0:49:02.120
<v Speaker 1>the it's the unfortunate and painful fruit of doing things

0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:06.560
<v Speaker 1>our own way and veering from God's perfect design. And

0:49:06.600 --> 0:49:09.560
<v Speaker 1>so again, Jay, we're not trying to throw you under

0:49:09.600 --> 0:49:12.359
<v Speaker 1>the bus. Here, but your pain is real. And I'm

0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:16.680
<v Speaker 1>sure anyone listening to this is going, man, that that

0:49:16.920 --> 0:49:21.960
<v Speaker 1>sounds terrible. It sounds painful. That's a rough situation for

0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:26.200
<v Speaker 1>your son, for you and even your fiance. And and

0:49:26.600 --> 0:49:29.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm grateful to hear you're able to be

0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:31.720
<v Speaker 1>back with your parents, that there's a network of support

0:49:31.800 --> 0:49:34.720
<v Speaker 1>around you. I don't know if you're a praying man

0:49:34.880 --> 0:49:38.520
<v Speaker 1>or not, but I would begin wearing out. I'd have

0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:43.520
<v Speaker 1>callouses on my knees, praying for my fiance, praying for restoration,

0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:46.080
<v Speaker 1>and asking the Lord to do a work in you

0:49:47.160 --> 0:49:51.520
<v Speaker 1>that needs to happen in order for that restoration to occur. Again,

0:49:51.520 --> 0:49:54.480
<v Speaker 1>we've talked about it earlier on this podcast that when

0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:57.120
<v Speaker 1>it comes to relationships, we often just want the other

0:49:57.160 --> 0:50:00.799
<v Speaker 1>person to get fixed, but we were not quick to

0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:04.719
<v Speaker 1>look at our own situation and find out where we

0:50:04.760 --> 0:50:07.799
<v Speaker 1>need to get right and where we need to get

0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:13.319
<v Speaker 1>things in order. So again, Jay, challenging and prayer, I

0:50:13.320 --> 0:50:16.960
<v Speaker 1>would say, is a great next step, and continue to

0:50:17.040 --> 0:50:20.160
<v Speaker 1>lean into that network to support your parents, friends, other

0:50:20.200 --> 0:50:23.960
<v Speaker 1>people around you, because there's nothing that hurts like a

0:50:23.960 --> 0:50:26.359
<v Speaker 1>broken heart, and it sounds like that's what you got

0:50:26.400 --> 0:50:30.239
<v Speaker 1>and man, we feel you. That's tough. She might not

0:50:30.440 --> 0:50:34.800
<v Speaker 1>come back. Jay, she might not, and probably the odds

0:50:34.840 --> 0:50:38.320
<v Speaker 1>are against her coming back to if she just decides

0:50:38.520 --> 0:50:41.680
<v Speaker 1>she's not happy. I'm assuming you guys are pretty young.

0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:43.960
<v Speaker 1>If you're moving back to your parents' house, you have

0:50:43.960 --> 0:50:47.880
<v Speaker 1>an eighteen month old son together, this is your first fiance.

0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming all this equals you're pretty young. There's good news.

0:50:54.480 --> 0:50:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Jesus came to save sinners. I am one of them,

0:50:57.840 --> 0:50:59.719
<v Speaker 1>Chad is one of them. Neither one of us are

0:50:59.760 --> 0:51:04.040
<v Speaker 1>better than you in any way. We're just we're speaking

0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:08.200
<v Speaker 1>from what we've read in the Bible and from quite

0:51:08.200 --> 0:51:11.560
<v Speaker 1>frankly the world that we've lived in for so long now.

0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:15.399
<v Speaker 1>And I could tell you that there is hope for you,

0:51:15.960 --> 0:51:18.080
<v Speaker 1>that there is restoration for you, that there is a

0:51:18.120 --> 0:51:22.600
<v Speaker 1>new relationship in your future, someone that will accept this

0:51:23.160 --> 0:51:26.880
<v Speaker 1>son of yours and as adopted son into their life,

0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:31.160
<v Speaker 1>and then you could start over with her, and we

0:51:31.200 --> 0:51:35.440
<v Speaker 1>would be praying that that would come from a responsible

0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:40.160
<v Speaker 1>relationship that turns into a marriage that's not a drawn out,

0:51:40.320 --> 0:51:43.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, three year engagement or crazy dating cycle that

0:51:43.680 --> 0:51:45.920
<v Speaker 1>you go through, but this ends up in a quick marriage.

0:51:45.920 --> 0:51:50.480
<v Speaker 1>That's a decision that you have made, that you're going

0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:52.879
<v Speaker 1>to make a commitment to someone, and that you have

0:51:53.040 --> 0:51:56.960
<v Speaker 1>learned from this and been able to take that and

0:51:57.000 --> 0:52:00.640
<v Speaker 1>grow from it. You know that these trials, it's like

0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:06.200
<v Speaker 1>when fire refines silver and gold and it makes it

0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:08.919
<v Speaker 1>more pure and it makes it moldable. But it takes

0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:12.239
<v Speaker 1>that heat. It takes the trial that's suffering the bad

0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:15.239
<v Speaker 1>situation to refine the silver and the gold to make

0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:17.520
<v Speaker 1>it more pure and to make it better than it

0:52:17.640 --> 0:52:20.560
<v Speaker 1>was before. And right now you're in the fire. It hurts,

0:52:21.160 --> 0:52:23.680
<v Speaker 1>it looks like there's no way out. But the backside

0:52:23.719 --> 0:52:28.040
<v Speaker 1>of this is this refined version of yourself. And so

0:52:28.080 --> 0:52:31.480
<v Speaker 1>we hope that you learn from that, that refining, that

0:52:31.560 --> 0:52:35.120
<v Speaker 1>you learn and you go, you know what, I'm protecting myself.

0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:38.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm a better person now. I'm refined. I've learned a lot.

0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:41.600
<v Speaker 1>I heard Granger and Chat on this podcast, and I'm

0:52:41.600 --> 0:52:43.520
<v Speaker 1>not going to put myself in this kind of situation.

0:52:43.560 --> 0:52:46.200
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not going to play house with the next girl.

0:52:46.560 --> 0:52:48.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to sit around on lazy weekends and

0:52:48.600 --> 0:52:51.160
<v Speaker 1>go to the park and go to trying new restaurants

0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:56.840
<v Speaker 1>unless this is my wife. Because If I don't, I'm vulnerable.

0:52:56.960 --> 0:53:01.080
<v Speaker 1>My fourth field is down. You know, I'm the death

0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:03.759
<v Speaker 1>Star's force field is down, and Luke Skywalker's coming in

0:53:03.760 --> 0:53:06.920
<v Speaker 1>with his missiles, right Like, dude, you got to get

0:53:06.920 --> 0:53:09.560
<v Speaker 1>that force field up. And that is that is with

0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:15.960
<v Speaker 1>a responsible marriage, and this is in your future if

0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:19.799
<v Speaker 1>if you believe this. If not, this could be a

0:53:19.800 --> 0:53:23.120
<v Speaker 1>pattern where this happens again and God forbid another child

0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:26.680
<v Speaker 1>with another girl that decides she's not happy anymore, and

0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:29.440
<v Speaker 1>it's this never ending cycle. The decision is up to

0:53:29.480 --> 0:53:32.480
<v Speaker 1>you right now. Yeah, the assumption right now is that

0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:37.320
<v Speaker 1>she's the one, and that's all you can see right now.

0:53:37.440 --> 0:53:40.480
<v Speaker 1>And I think what Granger is doing a great job

0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:43.120
<v Speaker 1>of is helping you see that maybe she's not the

0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:47.279
<v Speaker 1>best pairing for you, Maybe she's not the one, And

0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:52.120
<v Speaker 1>because of the scenario, you're prone to think that, no,

0:53:52.239 --> 0:53:56.160
<v Speaker 1>I've got to make this work. And you're not married yet,

0:53:56.520 --> 0:53:59.520
<v Speaker 1>you were engaged, and maybe it's a good thing that

0:54:00.400 --> 0:54:04.160
<v Speaker 1>she's separated, and it gives you a chance to kind

0:54:04.160 --> 0:54:07.000
<v Speaker 1>of get some things in order and get a perspective

0:54:07.000 --> 0:54:10.239
<v Speaker 1>that you need in order to really lean into the

0:54:10.320 --> 0:54:12.840
<v Speaker 1>right relationship you need to have with whoever that is

0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:15.600
<v Speaker 1>in the future. So I think that's a good word. Granger. Well,

0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:19.080
<v Speaker 1>thank you Jay for the email, buddy, and please keep

0:54:19.160 --> 0:54:21.040
<v Speaker 1>us updated on this no matter how long it takes.

0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:27.880
<v Speaker 1>I'd love to hear back from you. Golly, these emails, guys,

0:54:27.920 --> 0:54:31.440
<v Speaker 1>these emails. I'm gonna We're gonna hit one more. And

0:54:31.480 --> 0:54:34.000
<v Speaker 1>this is the one that popped up. It's it's subject

0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:36.520
<v Speaker 1>is married life. Hey, Granger. I've been married for almost

0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:41.080
<v Speaker 1>eight years and my husband. I've been with my husband

0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:44.120
<v Speaker 1>for eleven. We have two kids together, and I have

0:54:44.160 --> 0:54:48.000
<v Speaker 1>one from my previous relationship. My husband is controlling and

0:54:48.040 --> 0:54:51.839
<v Speaker 1>degrading me all all caps all the time. I love him.

0:54:51.880 --> 0:54:54.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't want our marriage to end, but I can't

0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:57.480
<v Speaker 1>handle the degrading any longer. What do I do? Thanks

0:54:57.480 --> 0:55:04.640
<v Speaker 1>for listening. This is Alisha in Napoleon, Idaho. Excuse me,

0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:12.920
<v Speaker 1>I Ohio. I can't read Napoleon, Ohio. So, man, we

0:55:13.040 --> 0:55:15.640
<v Speaker 1>just got some marriage ones to just get. We just get.

0:55:16.560 --> 0:55:18.719
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes on these questions, I feel like I'm getting drugg

0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:22.120
<v Speaker 1>behind a pickup truck in the dirt. Literally, you guys,

0:55:22.760 --> 0:55:27.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry. Alisha married eight years, been with your

0:55:27.520 --> 0:55:29.799
<v Speaker 1>husband for eleven, two kids together, and one from a

0:55:29.840 --> 0:55:34.600
<v Speaker 1>previous relationship. So so Jay, you're hearing this, Jay, like

0:55:34.680 --> 0:55:36.600
<v Speaker 1>this is Jay, this is the pattern that it could

0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:39.200
<v Speaker 1>turn into, Like there's the there's the kid from the

0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:42.480
<v Speaker 1>previous relationship, and then you jump into another one kind

0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:45.319
<v Speaker 1>of mindlessly. Maybe it's a rebound. Maybe you're just you're

0:55:45.360 --> 0:55:46.960
<v Speaker 1>you're at a bar and it's like, well, this is

0:55:47.000 --> 0:55:49.000
<v Speaker 1>the next best option, and I need a I need

0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:54.359
<v Speaker 1>a mother for my son, you know, and you jump

0:55:54.440 --> 0:55:56.719
<v Speaker 1>into it, and then fast forward to eight years down

0:55:56.760 --> 0:56:01.000
<v Speaker 1>the road and here you are again with Alisha. I'm

0:56:01.040 --> 0:56:05.840
<v Speaker 1>so sorry, Alicia, you have a husband that's degrading and controlling.

0:56:08.120 --> 0:56:11.560
<v Speaker 1>We'll call this one the marriage podcast today. Yeah, there's

0:56:11.600 --> 0:56:14.720
<v Speaker 1>a lot of that. And when I've been on here

0:56:15.000 --> 0:56:18.960
<v Speaker 1>in the past and we've had questions similar or scenarios,

0:56:18.960 --> 0:56:22.960
<v Speaker 1>similar relationship questions that seems to come down a lot

0:56:23.000 --> 0:56:27.640
<v Speaker 1>to communication. Right that there is you're wondering what to do.

0:56:27.719 --> 0:56:29.719
<v Speaker 1>You don't want you don't want your marriage to end,

0:56:30.200 --> 0:56:32.000
<v Speaker 1>but you don't want it to stay the way it is,

0:56:32.880 --> 0:56:37.279
<v Speaker 1>and so something's got to give. And I don't know

0:56:37.320 --> 0:56:40.919
<v Speaker 1>how you've been trying to communicate this. I'm guessing it's

0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:44.080
<v Speaker 1>not working. If you have. If you haven't, then you

0:56:44.200 --> 0:56:48.160
<v Speaker 1>need to explore a way. You know your husband. You've

0:56:48.200 --> 0:56:50.960
<v Speaker 1>been with this guy for eleven years. You know him,

0:56:51.360 --> 0:56:54.799
<v Speaker 1>you know how he best receives information, you know how

0:56:54.840 --> 0:56:57.520
<v Speaker 1>he you know the scenario that's best to approach him

0:56:58.120 --> 0:57:02.239
<v Speaker 1>with something that might be challenging and difficult, and you know,

0:57:02.920 --> 0:57:06.200
<v Speaker 1>no one likes to hear that you've you've been controlling

0:57:06.560 --> 0:57:09.439
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. So you've got to figure out

0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:12.479
<v Speaker 1>what's the best way to approach him. But you've got

0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:15.840
<v Speaker 1>to communicate that this is how you feel and that

0:57:16.720 --> 0:57:21.120
<v Speaker 1>neither of you probably enjoy the scenarios where he, you know,

0:57:21.280 --> 0:57:23.200
<v Speaker 1>he's acting like that or treating you like that. No

0:57:23.240 --> 0:57:25.600
<v Speaker 1>one likes that. So you've got to find a way

0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:29.640
<v Speaker 1>to communicate with him about that. And atleasa the way

0:57:29.680 --> 0:57:33.920
<v Speaker 1>to not communicate it is to go to him and say, hey,

0:57:34.240 --> 0:57:38.320
<v Speaker 1>you control and degrade me. And it's either either you

0:57:38.440 --> 0:57:41.720
<v Speaker 1>got to stop it or this marriage is done, because

0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:45.040
<v Speaker 1>that's not gonna work. No, it's never gonna work. You

0:57:45.120 --> 0:57:47.440
<v Speaker 1>have to humble yourself so many times. I mean, we

0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:49.760
<v Speaker 1>have to humble ourselves before God in first in the

0:57:49.800 --> 0:57:52.160
<v Speaker 1>first place, it starts there, and then we also have

0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:55.080
<v Speaker 1>to humble ourselves to other humans around us. We really

0:57:55.120 --> 0:57:58.000
<v Speaker 1>just do. We we have to put the ego aside Alicia,

0:57:58.120 --> 0:58:00.520
<v Speaker 1>not saying that you have an ego problem at all,

0:58:01.000 --> 0:58:03.680
<v Speaker 1>but you're going to have to really pull back and

0:58:03.800 --> 0:58:07.440
<v Speaker 1>humble yourself to your husband, and then what we hope

0:58:07.680 --> 0:58:10.080
<v Speaker 1>in return is that you'll get that You'll get that

0:58:10.120 --> 0:58:14.200
<v Speaker 1>in return from him. And I'm not talking about ladies.

0:58:14.360 --> 0:58:18.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm not talking about back and down or accepting abuse

0:58:18.640 --> 0:58:22.920
<v Speaker 1>or being submissive in an abusive relationship. Not saying that.

0:58:23.680 --> 0:58:28.520
<v Speaker 1>It's not what I mean by humbling yourself. I just mean, come, come,

0:58:28.640 --> 0:58:33.160
<v Speaker 1>start the conversation from an equal footing where it's like, Hey,

0:58:33.760 --> 0:58:36.880
<v Speaker 1>I am equally wrong in what's happening. The result of

0:58:36.880 --> 0:58:40.360
<v Speaker 1>this marriage is bad, and I'm coming from an equally

0:58:40.920 --> 0:58:45.400
<v Speaker 1>bad place in my life. It's not all you. In fact,

0:58:45.400 --> 0:58:47.600
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say you at all. I would just say

0:58:48.640 --> 0:58:52.160
<v Speaker 1>I would say I love you. I don't want this

0:58:52.320 --> 0:58:55.840
<v Speaker 1>marriage to end, and I want to do anything I

0:58:55.920 --> 0:59:00.320
<v Speaker 1>can to help fix it and to be a better

0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:04.000
<v Speaker 1>wife to you. How could I be a better wife

0:59:04.120 --> 0:59:08.120
<v Speaker 1>to you? And maybe you're gonna uncover some stuff that

0:59:08.280 --> 0:59:10.800
<v Speaker 1>you didn't even know was there. Maybe it's this and

0:59:10.840 --> 0:59:13.200
<v Speaker 1>this and this that you're things that you're doing and

0:59:13.240 --> 0:59:17.520
<v Speaker 1>you didn't know you're doing that's causing this controlling, degrading

0:59:17.760 --> 0:59:21.800
<v Speaker 1>attitude for him. I can't say enough times that I'm

0:59:21.840 --> 0:59:25.560
<v Speaker 1>not telling you to submit to abuse at all, just saying,

0:59:26.280 --> 0:59:31.200
<v Speaker 1>humble yourself in the situation and show him compassion and love,

0:59:32.080 --> 0:59:35.160
<v Speaker 1>because so many times in human relationships that you will

0:59:35.200 --> 0:59:38.920
<v Speaker 1>get that back from him. If you make yourself vulnerable,

0:59:39.240 --> 0:59:42.000
<v Speaker 1>he will let his guard down, his force field, he'll

0:59:42.080 --> 0:59:44.520
<v Speaker 1>let it down, Yeah, and be vulnerable back to you.

0:59:44.560 --> 0:59:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Then you could actually, you guys could have a conversation. Yeah.

0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:52.960
<v Speaker 1>And there's certainly probably a culture in the home that

0:59:53.080 --> 0:59:58.400
<v Speaker 1>this does for the kids involved. And so no, dad

0:59:58.480 --> 1:00:02.080
<v Speaker 1>wants a culture in his home that is, you know,

1:00:02.160 --> 1:00:07.080
<v Speaker 1>people are despairing or feel oppressed or yeah, I are

1:00:07.120 --> 1:00:09.520
<v Speaker 1>scared of or just don't want to be around, and

1:00:09.560 --> 1:00:12.880
<v Speaker 1>so find find that way as you humble yourself, I

1:00:12.920 --> 1:00:18.240
<v Speaker 1>think to just explore, you know, what he wants in

1:00:18.240 --> 1:00:20.520
<v Speaker 1>in the nature of your marriage and and what what

1:00:20.600 --> 1:00:25.840
<v Speaker 1>he ultimately envisions for the culture of your home, and

1:00:25.840 --> 1:00:27.920
<v Speaker 1>and see if there are ways that you know you

1:00:27.920 --> 1:00:30.240
<v Speaker 1>could take steps in that. Chad and I will both

1:00:30.280 --> 1:00:32.640
<v Speaker 1>say and we don't have to say it with every question,

1:00:32.720 --> 1:00:34.960
<v Speaker 1>but I promise you we think it with every question,

1:00:35.720 --> 1:00:37.960
<v Speaker 1>but we would we would both tell you run to

1:00:38.080 --> 1:00:41.320
<v Speaker 1>your church, Run to the local church, find you a

1:00:41.320 --> 1:00:45.480
<v Speaker 1>good one, get connected there, and pour out your problems

1:00:45.520 --> 1:00:48.520
<v Speaker 1>to to a small group or two people around you

1:00:49.280 --> 1:00:51.840
<v Speaker 1>that you could trust and and and let them pour

1:00:51.880 --> 1:00:56.800
<v Speaker 1>into you with with advice, and with with counseling, and

1:00:56.800 --> 1:01:00.720
<v Speaker 1>and with with ideas that to your husband in you

1:01:00.760 --> 1:01:02.320
<v Speaker 1>don't have to bring him in the first time. You

1:01:02.360 --> 1:01:04.360
<v Speaker 1>could just go by yourself. Just show up at the

1:01:04.400 --> 1:01:06.920
<v Speaker 1>doorstep one day. Yeah, just say my name is Alicia,

1:01:07.480 --> 1:01:10.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm in a bad relationship. I need help. I love

1:01:10.200 --> 1:01:15.400
<v Speaker 1>this man. And bottom line with all this is you

1:01:15.440 --> 1:01:18.560
<v Speaker 1>can't do it at home by yourself alone. You need

1:01:18.640 --> 1:01:21.320
<v Speaker 1>to need to involve him. You need to involve wise

1:01:21.360 --> 1:01:26.240
<v Speaker 1>counsel You need to run to the church. Amen. That's

1:01:26.240 --> 1:01:28.640
<v Speaker 1>all the time we have. We've we've burned through another

1:01:28.680 --> 1:01:31.000
<v Speaker 1>podcast that was fun, that was so fun, That was

1:01:31.040 --> 1:01:35.000
<v Speaker 1>hard stuff. Though I know my heart, man, my heart

1:01:35.120 --> 1:01:37.200
<v Speaker 1>is for you guys, and through these emails and that

1:01:37.280 --> 1:01:39.560
<v Speaker 1>you trust me with your questions. Thank you for that.

1:01:40.440 --> 1:01:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Chad and I both just love you for that. You

1:01:42.520 --> 1:01:45.280
<v Speaker 1>can find more of Chad on the Take and Read

1:01:45.520 --> 1:01:49.640
<v Speaker 1>podcast on any app or YouTube. You could also email

1:01:49.840 --> 1:01:52.840
<v Speaker 1>him at Take and Read Podcast at gmail dot com

1:01:53.880 --> 1:01:57.840
<v Speaker 1>and we'll see you next Monday. Love you guys, Thanks

1:01:57.880 --> 1:02:01.720
<v Speaker 1>for joining me on the Grangersmith Podcast. Appreciate all of you. Guys.

1:02:01.720 --> 1:02:04.640
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1:02:14.880 --> 1:02:16.960
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