1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you being reaching out allowing me to 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: be a part of it, because there's, uh, there's really 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: not many people I like and respect more Tim. And 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 1: it really is such a sad thing because he was 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: so great what he did, worked so hard, loved his 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: family so much, and then to have the time, yeah, 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: in retirement, taken away from him with this with Alzheimer's 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: is really a sad thing. Put another log on the 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: fire and nobody hears is give the time. Welcome to 10 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:54,639 Speaker 1: the fire pit with Matt Chanella. Tim rose Afford spent 11 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: his life telling stories about golf's greatest players. Now it's 12 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: time to tell Rosie's story. A towering figure in the 13 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: golf media, Tim died on January eleven, at the age 14 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: of sixty six from complications related to early onset Alzheimer's. 15 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: It's hard to believe anything could fill this pillar of strength. 16 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: In press rooms and on the course, he moved slowly 17 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: but diligently, the bow and his legs, a byproduct of 18 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: the sports he played growing up in Brewster, New York. 19 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: He once told me that as an undersized offensive lineman 20 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: in college, subbing in on special teams, he had to 21 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: block Joe Cleco, the future All Pro defensive lineman for 22 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: the New York Jets. Young Roosfort was driven back so 23 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: hard by Cleco that Tim could smell the burn of 24 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: the rubber on the bottom of his cleats. No shock 25 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: to anyone who knew Rosie. Cleco didn't block a punt 26 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: that day. He was proud of that and so much more. 27 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: Tim was proud of his family, which included his wife Genevieve, 28 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: their two daughters, Jenna and Molly, and he was out 29 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: of the men they married, Nick and Mason. He doated 30 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: on his three grandchildren, and he played a significant role 31 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: in the life of Grayson. He helped raise Grayson as 32 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: though he was his own son. Tim stepped in and 33 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: stepped up because he felt it was the right thing 34 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: to do. In all the years I knew him, which 35 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: goes back to Sports Illustrated in the mid nineties, Tim 36 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: always did the right thing, quietly and consistently. He didn't 37 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: want pats on the back. He just wanted to better 38 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: himself and those around him. Tim had long been celebrated 39 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: as golf's ultimate insider. He built his career not on 40 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: dazzling typing skills, but the kind of tenacity that held 41 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: back Joe Cleco. Tim was always renting a car, hopping 42 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: a shuttle, catching a plane, and he always made one 43 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: more call on one of his two phones. Once Tim 44 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: started reporting a story, he never stopped. He learned from 45 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: his father, a garbage man who saw dignity in hard work. 46 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: As a kid, Tim often wrote around in the truck, 47 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: either helping out the crew or sliding around in the 48 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: cab while reading books. His first set of golf clubs 49 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,119 Speaker 1: were cobbled together from what his dad would rescue out 50 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: of the trash bins. That kid, from humble beginnings, the 51 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: oldest of four in his family, went on to win 52 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: Lifetime Achievement awards for his writing. The craft didn't come 53 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: easy for him, so he compensated with conviction, filling his 54 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: stories with details no one else had and anecdotes only 55 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: he could get. His first beat was dirt track car racing, 56 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: and he once interviewed Doc Gooden as a Little League 57 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: All Star. He covered over a hundred and fifty majors, 58 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: winning some forty awards, and writing four books along the way. 59 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: In all of his travels, Tim rarely missed a chance 60 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: to tee it up at Olive golf's greatest citadels, his 61 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: incomparable Rolodex coming in quite handy for setting up a match. 62 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: He wouldn't want to play for much, and by the 63 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: end he preferred to play for nothing at all. A 64 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: plus eight at asking the tough questions, Tim was a good, 65 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: let's say, ten handicap on the course, but it wasn't 66 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: because of a lack of effort. It never was with Tim. 67 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: From Sports Illustrated, Too, Golf Digest, in Golf World, and 68 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: then to Golf Channel. I seemed to always be somewhere 69 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: right behind him, and what a good place to be. 70 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: Tim never stopped being a lead blocker for me, opening 71 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: holes so broad and inviting that even I could run 72 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: right through him. It was as if I had a bodyguard, 73 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: a guardian angel. I wouldn't hesitate to call him a 74 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: big brother, and although that felt so special, I know 75 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: I wasn't alone. Tim Rosaffort was beloved because he was 76 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: a great teammate for so many of us. The godfather 77 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: of golf journalists, Tim led by example, selflessly and unconditionally, 78 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: always supporting someone in need. No one ever outworked him. 79 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: He had no enemies, and everyone called him back and 80 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: when I asked long list of Tim's friends and colleagues 81 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: to help me produce this podcast, he'd smile, knowing they 82 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: all called me back. So settle down, settle in the 83 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: Tim Rose Afford story here is about to begin. My 84 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: goal was to out rosy Tim rose effort on his 85 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: own story upon hearing about his diagnosis of early onset Alzheimer's, 86 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: which goes back to the summer of I did what 87 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: he taught me to do, be intrepid. On that note, 88 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: we start with Jerry Tarney, who was the editor in 89 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: chief of Golf Digest for over four decades, who throughout 90 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: this podcast offers his perspective on Tim's incredible life and 91 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: the legacy he was the bridge from the past to 92 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: the present in terms of the way journalism is practiced. 93 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: You know, Charlie Price is an example. Used to take 94 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: a month to write one column. That's all he did. 95 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: He wrote one column a month, and it was the 96 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: words on paper that matter. That's the thing in the past. Now, 97 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: what Tim brought to it is he could do all 98 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: the stuff. Not that not that he was a technologist, 99 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: but but he he ushered in social media that the 100 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: digital age being on television. It all came together with 101 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: with Tim, and what he brought with him was preparedness 102 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: and he took that from the old world. So he 103 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: was that bridge from the old world of journalism to 104 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: the modern one. And I would add the one thing 105 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: that he didn't have that so many guys in his 106 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: profession have and we're all guilty of it, I think, 107 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: except for Tim, is he didn't have that cynicism, that 108 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: cynics virus that so many writers have, and it comes 109 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: from hanging out in bars and pressed and talking to 110 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: ourselves and in many cases trying to write like Dan 111 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: jenkins Um, He's not. He was never a cynic. He 112 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: loved it and he and it's why people trusted him, 113 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: because he wasn't going to take advantage of you. Tim 114 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: told me that it was guys like Davis Sesna, an 115 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: incredibly connected member at Seminole and Pine Valley, who helped 116 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: shape his life and career. I asked Davis what made 117 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: Tim so special? The thing that you immediately recognize about 118 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: Tim roselford is that he asks thoughtful questions from from 119 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: his heart and he and he listens to the answer. 120 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: Here's Craig Doulsch, another Florida base writer who goes back 121 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: to the early eighties with Tim. We all love about 122 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: Tim as he earned everything he ever got in this business. 123 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: Nothing was ever given to him, and if anything, he's 124 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: given an off a lot back to the business, and 125 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: he's ever taken from the business. Mark mulvey was the 126 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,559 Speaker 1: legendary editor of Sports Illustrated in the eighties and early 127 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: nineties who hired Tim from the Palm Beach Post. You know, 128 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: God knows that he worked hard. You know. Writing did 129 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: not come easy to him, you know, but he understood 130 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: that if you saturated a story with facts and let 131 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: the facts flow in a logical order, you have the 132 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,559 Speaker 1: hell of the story. Here's Jim Nance on his friend 133 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: Tim rose Afort. I lean on Nance later in the 134 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: podcast for his insight and information about Alzheimer's. So we 135 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: start with the love of the game undeniable, and then 136 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: you go with the interior in the integrity quotient, which 137 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how you have so many 138 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: scoops and so much inside information and not have people 139 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: that I feel like they've been burned. I don't know 140 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: anybody never felt like Tim ever burned them on anything. 141 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: And I think what it is is that he's just 142 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: such a good person that people realize he was doing 143 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: his job. He worked it harder than anybody else, and 144 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: he did it with an understanding of the sensitivity of 145 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 1: the information, how it affected each individual. So he gave 146 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: his audience the truth, and he gave the subjects that 147 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: he was covering. He gave them truth, and he gave them, 148 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: if you will, um a complete understanding that I'm going 149 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: to treat this with integrity. It was a love of 150 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: people Tim has that we'll hear from John Hawkins throughout. 151 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: Hawk was a colleague at Golf World and Golf Digest, 152 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: and together they did some of their best work. Very 153 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: few people brought that type of intensity and compassion, willingness 154 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: to share, willingness to to his knowledge was your not 155 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: and there's not not everybody's like that. He was the 156 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: greatest teammate in history of golf writing. And we would 157 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: go a hundred years and that would still be said. 158 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: And then there's Matt Haggarty, Golf Channels coordinating producer who 159 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: started working with Tim in the early two thousand's. You know, 160 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: he knew so many people. He was really connected. You know, 161 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: he was a heavyweight that was That was my first 162 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: impression of him. And then as we got to go, 163 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: you know, we started to you know, evolve. Then he 164 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: really became like a like a like a big brother 165 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: to me, uh in a way you know, um, you 166 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: know he would I've told this story before, but he 167 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: wasn't afraid to tell me to talk to my shirt. 168 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: He wasn't afraid when I was a kid, you know, 169 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: to act more professional, you know, like he you know, 170 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: I think he I mean, he liked me, you know, 171 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 1: and I and I was lucky and he liked me. 172 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: And when he likes you, he's you know, he's honest 173 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 1: and he'll tell you how he feels. I mean, I 174 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: think he's honest with everybody. But he told me how 175 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: he felt, you know, and a lot of that stuff 176 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: was really important. And then when I had my first child, 177 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: you know, I had a daughter, and he would you know, 178 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: he would give me advice on parenting. He would say, 179 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: he can't be so direct, he can't be so direct 180 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: with your kids. You know. He was always there for me, man, 181 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: from the day, from the from the from the you asked. 182 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just going on and on and on. 183 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: But like when you asked the first time I met Tim, 184 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: Like all these moments and memories fled back and I 185 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: spoke to Molly Solomon, the executive producer of the Golf Channel. 186 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: Tim would always track her down and demand coaching on 187 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: how and why he could get better on TV. And 188 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: that's what always frustrated him is that I didn't have 189 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: that much feedback and say, okay, buddy, you know you 190 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: don't need those cards. Like he always had cards on 191 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: the set, right, and he'd rely on his cards. I'd see, Timmy, 192 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 1: you know this stuff. I just want you to talk 193 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: and have a conversation with the audience, just like you 194 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: have with me. You don't need those cards. But they 195 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: were a crush. He was like, I know, they're a crutch. 196 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: So I always wanted him to believe in himself as 197 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: much as I believed in him. As you can see, 198 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: this podcast is running a little longer than the rest, 199 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: and there are reasons for that. I set out to 200 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: tell the story of his career while also celebrating the 201 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 1: life of an incredible man, and part of me never 202 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: really wanted to finish this project because by working on it, 203 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: talking to so many people who had so many fond 204 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: memories and incredible anecdotes. Was cathartic. I've done a lot 205 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: of laughing, a lot of crying, and like I said, 206 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: I just want to make him proud. So let's go 207 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: back to the early eighties in Florida. Jeff Russell, Molly 208 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: Solomon's husband, who would go on to be Tim's boss 209 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: at Golf World magazine and work with Tim at the 210 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: Golf Channel, was in his early twenties. He was as 211 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: fresh as fresh kids, and he was new to covering 212 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: the LPGA. I will never forget that Tim welcomed me 213 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: from the from the day I walked in. You know, 214 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: he was interested in me, and he I took the 215 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: time to find out who I was and what you know, 216 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 1: what my background was, and and of course I love 217 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: to play golf, and so did Tim, and we pretty quickly, 218 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: we pretty quickly, you know, he was inviting me out 219 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: to play golf, and we'd go and and play, you know, 220 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: you know, even on days when he was when he 221 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: was working and had a deadline, you know, he would 222 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: we'd go and play golf somewhere early. You know, it 223 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: was always kind of Tim's choice. And Tim, you know, 224 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: you know, and and we and That's how we met, 225 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: and I just couldn't believe. You know, Tim at that 226 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: time was a you know, he's a big deal in 227 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: the Golf Writers Association of America. I don't remember if 228 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: he was president yet, but he was an award winner. 229 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: He was winning, you know, he was writing awards and 230 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: and and all the players knew him. And here was 231 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: this guy. You know, he took me under his under 232 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: his wing and um and it was fantastic. You know, 233 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: it was fantastic. Made me feel like like I belonged, 234 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: but also pretty quickly made me feel like, wow, you 235 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: know I can you know I can do this. And 236 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: and you'd you know, you'd spend spending a month there. 237 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: You know, the we go to the tournament the next 238 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: week and Thursday or or or Friday, the you know, 239 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: the issue of the magazine. We get to the press 240 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: room and you know, Tim and pick it up and 241 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: read it and come up and go, you know, nice job, 242 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: that was a good story, or hey you got that 243 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: note that was good or you know it was it 244 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: was awesome. It was great. He was you know, could 245 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: not have been nicer, sweeter and more encouraging, you know, 246 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: to a twenty five year old kid who was trying 247 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: to get going in the business. Back to Craig Doltra 248 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: a recap of Tim's resume of Florida papers. Worked at 249 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: the Tampa Times, he worked at the clear Water Sun, 250 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: He worked at the Fort Lauderdale Sun Sentinel at that 251 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: point the Palm Beach Post where I was working. They 252 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: went and hired them to be their golf writer, which 253 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: is a great move on their part. And he worked 254 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: there for a few years, and then Sports Illustrators started 255 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: getting really serious about doing their golf plus coverage. So 256 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: Mark mulvoy had hired Tim to come in and really 257 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: kind of head up, be the kind of fullback, the 258 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: guy that would go out and break the news, do 259 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: all the hard work. And so Tim worked for Sports 260 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: Illustrated for about three or four or five years. It 261 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: was actually just a little over two years at Sports 262 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: Illustrator for Tim from nine six. Here's Mark mulveaway again, Timmy. 263 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: When I hired him, I said, Timmy, I really want 264 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: you to be the Peter King of golf. I said, 265 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: I want people when they read your step to find 266 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: out things about themselves they don't even know, which is 267 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: the way Peter. Of course, a Hall of Fame journalist 268 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: UH covered pro football. You know Timmy and Pete. You 269 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: know they're not Rick Riley behind the the typewriter people 270 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: like that, Gary Smith. But they're great, great, great reporters. 271 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: And you can have a tremendous, tremendous success in Sports 272 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: Illustrated or any other publication if you're a great reporter 273 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: or a dependable reporter, and nothing stands in your way 274 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: of getting this. And that was Timmy. Now in the 275 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: big leagues, surrounded by an insane roster of talent, Tim's 276 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: self doubt was immersing itself into his keyboard. I kept 277 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: having to tell him. I said, Timmy, you can't compare 278 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: yourself to Himie, you can't compare yourself to Rick. You 279 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: can't compare yourself to Al Shipment. I said, these guys 280 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: are different stylists. I said, would you bring something to 281 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: the table that we desperately needed Sports Illustrated reprotige. You're 282 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: the Peter King of golf and that's how you'll thrived here, 283 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: believe me, and he did. Here's Himie Diaz, another legend 284 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: of modern golf journalism, who offers his perspective on why 285 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: Tim's time at Sports Illustrated was short lived. Well, I'm 286 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: being honest. Uh, they were difficult days in many ways 287 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: because it was really challenging. Uh. It was a big 288 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: step up for Tim. He wanted it, and he tried 289 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: really hard, and he did a lot of really good stuff. 290 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: But the you know, the atmosphere at Sports Illustrated was 291 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: was cold compared to where he had worked. You know, 292 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: he had worked in kind of family situations where you 293 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,719 Speaker 1: got to know the sports editor and of course everybody 294 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: really loved him, so he would lean on those kind 295 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: of nurturing relationships and it was hard for him to 296 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: get that at Sports Illustrated. Having said all that, you know, hey, 297 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: Mark Moboy hired him and and they remained great friends. 298 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: But I just think the atmosphere was one that was 299 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: challenging more than the actual work. He just he always 300 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: like me, you know, but maybe even a little more 301 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: in some ways. He felt like he always had to 302 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: prove himself and had some insecurities there, and he just 303 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: didn't get a lot of approval at Sports Illustrated in 304 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: the same way he was used to. So, um, I 305 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: think he always felt like, man, that wasn't good enough, 306 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: that wasn't good enough. And probably drove himself a little crazy. Uh, 307 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: and so in that respect, even though Sports Illustrated was 308 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: a great place and in some place, in some ways 309 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: the epitome of sports writing in this country, he did 310 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: better by going to Golf World, by going back to 311 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: Golf World, because there he could, you know, get comfortable 312 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: with people, and they you understood him better, and it 313 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: was just less of a big machine and more of 314 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: a family. Mulvoy left Sports Illustrated, and so did Rose Afford. 315 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: If I had not retired, he would have stayed at 316 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: Sports Illustrator, believed me a lot longer than that. I 317 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: had a specific idea in mind, is to what he 318 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: brought to the magazine, which is what I had for 319 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: Peter and you know Riley and Shipnuk and everybody else 320 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: we brought. Then. I don't think my success or or 321 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: success ors, you know, they just wanted to take the 322 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: magazine to do different things, which is fine, that's the prerogative. 323 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: But if I had stayed her, and I wasn't thirteen 324 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: years was long enough to put out a weekly magazine, 325 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: I think Timmy would have stayed certainly as long as 326 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: I did. Feeling snubbed by S I himI Diaz confirms 327 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: Tim was now even more motivated to prove his critics wrong. 328 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: Every knock back drove Tim ten steps forward, Like you 329 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: better if you're gonna knock them back, you better be 330 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: prepared for what's next, because what was next after Sports 331 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: Illustrat was probably one of the greatest runs in modern 332 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: golf journalism. In my opinion, I agree with you. I mean, 333 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: he really is a fiery competitor, and he definitely would 334 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: keep it hard inside himself to get even you know, 335 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: and to show everybody. And that was a great motivator. 336 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: And he didn't talk about it much, but you know 337 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: it would come out that it was there, that that 338 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: was really in many ways what took him the extra 339 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: mile when he was doing something to do it spent 340 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: in a special way. Here's Jeff Russell on the acquisition 341 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: of a Hall of Fame clean up hitter, you know, 342 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 1: work king at the other shop. He was a formidable opponent, 343 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: you know, he was he was, he was a pain 344 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: in the ass. He he got, you know, he got 345 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: information that that that we didn't have. Now I don't 346 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: know what happened. I don't never really never really got 347 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: the full story about what happened to him at Sports Illustrated. 348 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: All I know is they one day he became available, 349 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 1: you know, he became available and we couldn't hire him 350 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 1: fast enough. And when he came to Golf World, um 351 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: And we were probably so that was probably ninety ninety 352 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: seven in there, so you know, and and I was 353 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: his I was his de facto editor for for until 354 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: two thousand when I became in you know, entitled the editor. 355 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: So I was his editor for fifteen years at Golf World. 356 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: I think we had a great relationship, and you know 357 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: it was it was just a comfort to have somebody 358 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: on the staff that you could say, Tim, I need it. 359 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: I need to know what happened here, you know, I 360 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: need you to you know, what what happened with Tiger 361 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 1: and Tim Fincham, what happened with you know, what happened 362 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: with Honora you know, Seorenstam and the and you know, 363 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: I mean, what happened you know, John Day fell off 364 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: the wagon? What happened? He would go and find out, 365 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: He would go and get the information, and you know, yeah, 366 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: there might have been times where you felt I felt 367 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: like he was protecting um And and and maybe not 368 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: telling me everything. He knew, but if I pushed him 369 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: on it, he he would, you know, if I if 370 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: I really made it a big deal, I've usually got 371 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: what I wanted. A lot of times Tim would say, 372 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,719 Speaker 1: you know, if you would just if you would just 373 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: back off here and let's take the long view. I 374 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: think this will. I think this is We're gonna have 375 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: enough that we can use it now and and we're 376 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 1: going to continue to be able to get information in 377 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: the source if we need it and it and he was. 378 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: I thought it was a great partnership and I never 379 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: never felt like like it it costs golf world, you know, 380 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: any anything in terms of I mean, he instantly made 381 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: our team better and and I think not only because 382 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: he made us better, but because the other guys lost him. 383 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: It's Tiger is turning pro and a motivated roos Aford 384 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: gets a seat at Golf Digest table of talent. Here's 385 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: Jerry Tardy on getting access to Tim rose Aford. Even 386 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: in the beginning, he was grounded in that South Florida 387 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: world of golf pros, and he knew he knew golf, 388 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: he knew the tour, and he was he was a 389 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: great reporter. And that even even at the very beginning 390 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: that was the case. So so it was an opportunity 391 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: two get connected to that world and have insight into 392 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: what players were thinking and what they were going to 393 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 1: do before they did it. Um. Tim wasn't a poet, 394 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: uh and uh and he wasn't a comedian, so he 395 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 1: didn't bring that style of writing to the magazine. But 396 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: what he brought were facts, insight, uh, the real stuff 397 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: of what was happening. And that was the excitement of 398 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: having Tim join our team. Well, Tim was dominating the 399 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: annual byline count at Golf World a weekly and contributing 400 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: to the occasional Story and Golf Digest a monthly. In 401 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: the late nineties, he was covering the end of Nancy 402 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: lopez incredible career. We grew up together. He wants me 403 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: grow up on the LPG tour and uh, you know, 404 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: he was one of those writers that made me who 405 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: I am. Um. Wow. You know he was that friendly 406 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: face in the room when you when you know, the 407 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: press was all of you talking to and you could 408 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: and you saw him. He just he just made me 409 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: always feel happy. He had he had that face you 410 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: know when you you know how people are when you 411 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: see send me come in the room like, oh my god, 412 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: there they come. And then you had that person that 413 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: oh that's tim you know. That's the way he made 414 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: me feel all the time. And he was just the best. 415 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: And I just I will pray for him because I 416 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: just hate this news. Um. But yeah, he was. He 417 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: was specially he was good at what he was, great 418 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: at what he did, not just good he um. I 419 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: think all the players felt that way whenever he was 420 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: around us, um and appreciate his talents and what he 421 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: did for sports. Absolutely he was the best. I spoke 422 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: to Bob Ford, the iconic pro at both open on 423 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: and Seminole, who was Rosfort's close friend. Well, he was 424 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: extraordinary and he uh, I think he he gained everybody's trust. 425 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: Um that so that I mean his Rolo decks like 426 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: hers would be phenomenal. And you know, when he needed 427 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: to dig something out of the dirt, he dug it out. 428 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: And when rose you saw Rosie on your phone, you 429 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: wanted to talk to him. So and he had that 430 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: relationship with you know, all the stars everybody, and so 431 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: I think just trust and faith that we all had 432 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: and Timmy was one of his great great assets. And 433 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: not many players appreciate good writing, especially good reporting and 434 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: the history of golf more than Ben Crenshaw. Going back 435 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: all those years, Matt he was he was a bulldog 436 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: for getting information. He was very very good at that. 437 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: And uh but people respected him greatly. Uh. He was 438 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: insider guy and he wanted to report that and he 439 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: did it so well so many times. Um. But I know, 440 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 1: as as a writer and a close observer of the 441 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: professional golf scene, he was one of the best. I 442 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: mean he you know, people knew to go to him 443 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: to see what the players actually were thinking. They trusted him. 444 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: Uh and and he could get the information quicker than 445 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: other people could. Ron Sirac, who has ap roots and 446 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: a similar dog and reporting style, offers his perspective on 447 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: his former colleague at Golf World and Golf Digest. Baseball 448 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: is one of my passions. Peter Damon's was the guy 449 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: when I was when I was first starting out in journalism, 450 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: as he was a guy who knew everything. Tim was 451 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: the guy in golf who knew everything. Back to Jeff 452 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: Russell again, who had become the editor in chief of 453 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: Golf World magazine in two thousand and was writing the 454 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: rose Board Train all the way to relevancy within the 455 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: booming industry of golf. The moment when I realized, hey 456 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: we are now, We're now as competitive a magazine as 457 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: any other magazine. I mean, you know, listen, sports Philicide. 458 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: You know, always be a fan of Sports Illustrated. You 459 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: know what an amazing, amazing magazine it was, And and 460 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: Golf Plus was was terrific um and and you know, 461 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: you never there's never a week where you just felt like, 462 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: oh my god, what are they gonna have this week? 463 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: You know? But but I remember, and maybe you do too, 464 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: when Tiger Woods was, you know, he was maybe two 465 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: years into his his PGA Tour career, he turned pro, 466 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: and he's been out there like two or three years, 467 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: and he and he got into a he got into 468 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: a showdown with with Tim Fincham in the PGA Tour 469 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: where he was basic. I forget, I'd have to go 470 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,479 Speaker 1: and look, right, but he was. He was They wanted him, 471 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: you know, they were holding him to the same requirements 472 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: for you know, tournaments and tournament releases and all and 473 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: all this stuff that any other player had, right and 474 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: and and Tiger was Tiger was basically saying, look, I'm 475 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: not I'm not going to do that. I if you're 476 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: gonna hold me that I might go play the European 477 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: Tour and we're I'll go find somewhere else to play. 478 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: And and this was kind of percolating and Tiger decided, 479 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: I don't know how this happened, but Tiger Tiger decided 480 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: to tell Tim Roseford about it. That's where he went 481 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: with with his story. And we got that story because 482 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: of Tim Rosefort and whatever relationship he had with Tiger 483 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: and and whatever whatever reputation Tim had with Tiger, and 484 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,239 Speaker 1: and it was. We put it on the cover and 485 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: it was, you know, it was a blockbuster story at 486 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: a time when a weekly magazine could still have a 487 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: blockbuster story. And it got everyone's attention, and it got 488 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour's attention. And I remember thinking that week, like, man, 489 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: people are talking about our magazine. Um, and the story 490 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: that that we got and that was that was Tim 491 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: and and and also John Hawkins. It was you know, 492 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: um and that you know, that was a nice I 493 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: think that was a nice collaboration for us and Golf 494 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: Digest for for for four or five years, Tim and 495 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: John working together. But but again it was you know, 496 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: Tim was the big hitter on that thing, and and 497 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: we were um and and and we benefited. It was 498 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: It was huge inner stage. John Hawkins, another gritty colleague 499 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: who was also operating at the height of his powers. 500 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: With their chemistry came a brotherly bond at award winning work. 501 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: Tim and I were both came from tough towns. I 502 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: come from Baltimore, He came from Brewster, New York. We 503 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: shared that um my dad passed away when I was young. 504 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: Tim didn't have an easy life growing up. He worked 505 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: on his dad's trash truck, as you know, and Tim 506 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,719 Speaker 1: had to work. We both shared that sort of us 507 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: against the world mentality, blue collar kind of mindset, and 508 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: we just we hit it off. I was, I was 509 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: in all of him as a reporter. Still am. As 510 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: I said on their phone call a few a couple 511 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: of months back, Matt, nobody has had a more profound 512 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: influence on my career than Tim Rose Afford Nobody. Yes, 513 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: there was Rick Riley, Himie Diaz, Alan Schipnuk, Michael Bamberger, 514 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: Tom Callahan. Jenkins was still Jenkins. I loved Dave Anderson 515 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: and Dave Kindred. No one could write funny like Bob 516 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: Verdie Garrity was always doing gearty, but when Hawk and 517 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: Rosie would combine forces, the game's cage would rattle more 518 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: from Heimie Diaz and Tim and John Hawkins had a 519 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: great relationship. You know, Tim was the rock. John was 520 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: the mercurial you know, I say, borderline genius in many 521 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: ways because tremendous words, Smith, tremendous ability to turner phrase 522 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: great writer, kind of like Woodward and Bernstein a little bit, 523 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: you know, in in a golf Stanse wood Word was Tim, 524 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: you know, the solid reporter who could could always you know, 525 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: get anybody, and and John the guy that could coalesce 526 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:48,959 Speaker 1: it into something really readable. And those two guys they 527 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: knew they had something and and they took on big projects. 528 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: A lot of ambition in both those guys, and they 529 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: would identify what was really important in golf because had 530 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: very passionate views about this is the story. Man. You know, 531 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: we gotta get this guy, we gotta get this issue 532 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: out there, we gotta do it like nobody else. And 533 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: then you know Tim might feel similarly, but probably not 534 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: to the same extent. But then when he was directed, 535 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: you know, this is what we need, this is what 536 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: we gotta have. Nobody was better at getting it, so 537 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: it was really formidable and they did. You know, I'm 538 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: thinking five or six of those things that were oral 539 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: histories or just simply highly reported pieces long, maybe even 540 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: had more than one, you know, one installment, and very 541 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: much probably well, I want to say the best work 542 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: of their careers, because they did great work individually as well, 543 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: but I think as a team that that's probably as 544 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: good a team as golf riding has ever had. Long 545 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: before the platform of podcast, there was such a thing 546 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: as a quote oral history, but it was done in print. 547 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: Hawk and Rosie right again chronic one of golf's greatest comebacks. 548 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: I don't know whose idea it was um to do 549 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: it in oral history. Back then, we were always looking 550 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: to get into Golf Digests because we got paid extra 551 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: for it, and because it was the magazine. As you know, Matt, 552 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: Golf World was the magazine with a great reputation. But 553 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: but but Golf Digest was the rock star. Golf Digest 554 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: was the much bigger book, you know, three four pages 555 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: some weeks some months back then, and you always wanted 556 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: to get into that one. And we came up with 557 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: this idea and we were just met with nothing but 558 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: help from all the principles I think Tim got. And 559 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: it's not like I didn't do any reporting. It just 560 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: looked like I didn't. Compared to Tim, they kind of 561 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: developed an interesting, you know, sort of an interesting format. 562 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: They came up with a formula where where they would 563 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: work together. They were at work together on big pieces, 564 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: and the Tiger and the Tour story was one of them. 565 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: The final day of the Ryder Cup, you know, was 566 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: the was the big one that I remember they you 567 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: know that that was that day of that incredible American 568 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: comeback UM to win on the final day, and they 569 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: spent um, you know, they spent months talking to every player, 570 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: everybody who had, you know, had anything to do with 571 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: with that UM, with that comeback. That was just like 572 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: putting pieces of a puzzle together. That was fun. And 573 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: he would just keep coming back with more and more 574 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: material and I would just keep on finding spots for it. 575 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: I think it was just one of those cases where 576 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 1: two guys had a kind of a common background and 577 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:57,399 Speaker 1: perfect a perfect mesh of skills. It was too much 578 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: good information to try to make a UM, to try 579 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: to turn into a magazine article. I even think at 580 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: one point they were, you know, they were talking to 581 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: like a Hollywood producer about about making a movie about it, 582 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,399 Speaker 1: like maybe there were maybe a documentary film about it. 583 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: I mean, but it doesn't get done without Tim's Tim's 584 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: ability to report, Tim's dogged pursuit of information and his 585 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: relationships with people to this day remains so powerful. It's 586 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: why we're doing this, Matt, because so many people no 587 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: Tim and love them. And and um that was I was. 588 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: I was the prime beneficiary of Tim's greatest strengths for 589 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: the better part of ten years. Regardless of the awards 590 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: and out of boys recognition and respect, Tim never allowed 591 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: himself to tap the brakes on his hustle and pursuit 592 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: of perfection. No one was harder on Tim then Tim. 593 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 1: A lot of people tried to convince him of his greatness, 594 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: and that was the only time he turned his ears off. 595 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: He loved coaching, he was allergic to accolades. Back to 596 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,879 Speaker 1: Jeff Russell, who again knew Tim for thirty five years 597 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: and worked closely with him for twenty five of those. 598 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: As Jeff notes, the only coaching he needed was to 599 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: get out of his own way. Tim operated always operated 600 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: from a sense of insecurity, you know, he he um, 601 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: you know he could he could have he could have 602 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: ninety nine great weeks in a row and and then 603 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: have a week where he missed something, you know, or 604 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: or maybe wrote a story that wasn't that that wasn't 605 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: um you know, super polished and needed a little work, 606 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 1: and then it was like man, it sent him into 607 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: the Dolders. It was like he was starting all over 608 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: and you had to remind him. You know. We used 609 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 1: to say this, Hey, you know, I mean you're Tim 610 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 1: sucking Roseford. That's all you needed to say to him. 611 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: It's like you are, Tim, Stop stop worrying about it, 612 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,720 Speaker 1: you know, Um, let's get back at it this week. 613 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: You know. But you know you're Tim we fucking Roseford. 614 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: And and you're gonna hear that from Matt Haggerty too, 615 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: you know, um, because he was that way when he 616 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: got to the Golf channel. Pete McDaniel wrote for both 617 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: Golf Digest and Golf World. Both Tim and Pete were 618 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: always being asked to get something special on tiger Woods. 619 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: He did some blocking for me as well, you know, 620 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 1: quiet as its gift. Yeah, some opportunities that I got 621 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: Tim recommended me. I don't know if I always succeeded 622 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 1: at him. I probably let him down a few times. 623 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: But I'm guilty of that too. He's this guy can 624 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 1: do it, he can alest you know, you need to 625 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: give him an opportunity, and I got opportunities. So but 626 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: Tim's wanted to get greatest guys. Um, if you had 627 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,919 Speaker 1: Tim on your team, you had a good teammate. I'll 628 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: just put it that way. Um, funny guy and I 629 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 1: played a lot of rounds ago off together. Really meticulous 630 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: kind of guy. And the thing that made him such 631 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: a success he worked. It was alreayst working man in golf. 632 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: And without a doubt, I couldn't have no way that 633 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: anybody could could out work And he was not going 634 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: to need to do it prepared, you know, to the end, 635 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: dog gone degree. If there was anything he didn't know, 636 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: he was really gonna find out, had more context than 637 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: anybody in the game. And and that was Tim Roseford. 638 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:41,720 Speaker 1: I mean, talented and personable and um and a real friend. 639 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: And in our business you could probably count your real 640 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 1: friends on one hand. And Tim was certainly a real friend, 641 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Back to Jeff Russell, who was 642 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,720 Speaker 1: continuing to lean on Rosaford as a captain of the squad. 643 00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: I think Tim always had a really underrated talent for 644 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 1: um knowing, knowing what's a good story, what's maybe not 645 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: a good story, knowing what the what the angle is, 646 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 1: what the angle should be, and what the angles shouldn't be. 647 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 1: UM And I think he you know, he was he 648 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: was a good sounding board for me as the editor 649 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: when when I wasn't when I was trying to figure 650 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: out a lot, you know, I reached a point where 651 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 1: I wasn't always at the major championships on the on 652 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 1: the weekend, I would need to come home, you know, 653 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: go back to the office and kind of you know, 654 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: run things from the office. And and Tim became my 655 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 1: kind of my my boots on the ground at the 656 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: tournament and trying to help me understand what was going 657 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: on and and and what the stories were and what 658 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,760 Speaker 1: they should be. UM. He was very He had a 659 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 1: kind of a good you know, you'd say he has 660 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,799 Speaker 1: an ear for music. You know, he had kind of 661 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: a good ear for a good sense of what what 662 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 1: the angle should be. More from dis I remember after 663 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: nine eleven that the amount of time and work and 664 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: chronicling he did with Jimmy Dunn was like incredibly you know, 665 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: uh just just you know, it was it was a 666 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 1: book length stuff almost And of course Bill Fields was 667 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,360 Speaker 1: was was writing the story. And you know it was 668 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: overwhelming Bill, because Bill was a great researcher too. But 669 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,439 Speaker 1: I mean that's the kind of thing when Tim got 670 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 1: his teeth into something, he really, um, you know, that 671 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 1: was his identity. Then he was going to prove that 672 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: to himself and to others, that that he could do it, 673 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: that he belonged, that he could not and that he 674 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,760 Speaker 1: could be the best. And uh, I think it really 675 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 1: um was was really a passionate after a while that 676 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,279 Speaker 1: he found his niche that he loved this. I mean 677 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 1: he hadn't grown up with golf. He hadn't even grown 678 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: up with sports writing, but he had found something that 679 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: he loved to do um and could be good at 680 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: because through force of will, but also he had the 681 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: head for it. He knew sports, so golf fell right 682 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,880 Speaker 1: in there with sports. That was the mentality brought to sports. 683 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: And and he was a good storyteller and any any 684 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 1: any knew good stories. He had good news sense. He 685 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,840 Speaker 1: had an idea of how to present something. So it 686 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: was interesting John Hawkins, I think a spike gate with 687 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 1: v J and Mickelson having a J having a problem 688 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: with Phil with the length of phil spikes, like you know, 689 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: there are usually a one millimeter long and these were 690 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: two millimeters or a millimeter and a half, and it's 691 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,360 Speaker 1: like turn into this big deal. So that was probably 692 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,879 Speaker 1: uh oh five because I was in the Champions locker 693 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: room with them. Um, I don't remember him telling the story. 694 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 1: I just remember that he uh, he wasn't trying to 695 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 1: attack anybody. He was just I had to share insight 696 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: into what was going onto the game of golf and 697 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: and do it in a way that was interesting, compelling, 698 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 1: but uplifting to everybody around him. Tim came back and 699 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: said they almost came to blows in the locker room 700 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 1: and there was a pretty heated argument and people had 701 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,840 Speaker 1: to get up and separate them and the force Michelson 702 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 1: to release the statement. And Tim had that kind of 703 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,360 Speaker 1: impact on a regular basis. That was one of the 704 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,240 Speaker 1: more famous ones, one of the ones that I remember, 705 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 1: But if you went back you could see many instances 706 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: where Tim Tim's reporting had a had a pretty powerful 707 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 1: impact on the on the on the picture. In general, 708 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: I was never sure what drove Tim's bus the insecurity 709 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 1: or was it just a sincere humility, you know, like 710 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: he's like Barry Sanders, right. I mean, if you scored 711 00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 1: a touchdown, he handed the football back to the ref 712 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 1: because that's his job, that's what he does. It wasn't 713 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 1: about fanfare, it wasn't about to sell. He had no 714 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,800 Speaker 1: celebration dance in the end zone that Tim never danced 715 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,760 Speaker 1: in the end zone in his life. Tim ran around 716 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: the basis with his head down every single time. Nobody 717 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: ever wanted to throw a beanball at Tim rose Afford. 718 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: Well you don't want that big ass guy coming out 719 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 1: to the mountain and kicking your ass in front of everybody. 720 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: But Tim was was. It was a lot bit. It 721 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 1: was a lot bigger than Tim's physical stature. It was 722 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: his his ability to generate trust and his ability to 723 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 1: his his is absolute uh insistence on getting it right 724 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: all the time. Tim didn't want a bad eight hundred. 725 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,839 Speaker 1: A lot of sports analogies here, but Tim. Tim wanted 726 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: to get it right all the time, and and he did. 727 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:55,319 Speaker 1: He really did, he very very rarely. He I don't 728 00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:00,719 Speaker 1: ever recall him making a mistake that was can sequential 729 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 1: to the meaning of a story, or the just just 730 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 1: never happened. Facts always travel. Tim's saturated rolodex, impeccable reputation, 731 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 1: and incredible consistency had earned him a more prominent role 732 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 1: on an alternate platform. Tim was taking on TV, and 733 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,279 Speaker 1: although he was getting criticized by Golf World teammates with 734 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: guys like Hawkins who didn't like their starting running back 735 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: splitting time playing center field in another sport, Tim ignored 736 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: those murmurs. They definitely didn't deterine. It was all just 737 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 1: more motivation to be an all star at both print 738 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,880 Speaker 1: and broadcast. If walls were going to fall and writers 739 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 1: were evolving into on their talent, who better to smash 740 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,880 Speaker 1: those walls then Golf's Bo Jackson. Back to Molly Solomon, 741 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,359 Speaker 1: who has spent her entire career in TV. I think 742 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 1: people forget the bigger picture with Tim, like we're all 743 00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,840 Speaker 1: in the you know, the golf industry. But Tim was 744 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: the first, really one of the first sports television insiders, 745 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,960 Speaker 1: you know. I remember Will McDonough in the early nineties 746 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,240 Speaker 1: and he started to bring these reporters that came into 747 00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,520 Speaker 1: television and gave you so much great reporting and information 748 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: and really kind of fleshed out the stories. And Tim 749 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,839 Speaker 1: very much brought that to golf. So it was really 750 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,200 Speaker 1: being done a little bit in football, but he brought 751 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,240 Speaker 1: it to golf. So it was his reporting and his 752 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,799 Speaker 1: his rolodex or his cell phone, which, as you know, 753 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,080 Speaker 1: he always had two cell phones, but he had everybody's number, 754 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: and everybody respected him and everybody returned a phone call um. 755 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,440 Speaker 1: And that was because of his personality and the trust 756 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,799 Speaker 1: that he created with people. Like you knew that if 757 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 1: you told Tim something that he wasn't going to misuse 758 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,080 Speaker 1: it or abuse it. He was going to use it 759 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: to flesh out stories. But he would never embarrass you, 760 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,280 Speaker 1: hurt you. He'd give you a sense that something was coming. 761 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,800 Speaker 1: Like people trusted him when they talked to him, and 762 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 1: that made a difference. I remember when he started doing TV, 763 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,600 Speaker 1: uh and he you know, really started to raise his 764 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,480 Speaker 1: profile at Golf Channel. He was still working for us. 765 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: He would, you know, he would do TV. You know 766 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,360 Speaker 1: you could sense that he he he was he was 767 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,480 Speaker 1: doing a lot of TV and his profile, you know, 768 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,720 Speaker 1: he was getting famous and he was really becoming pretty 769 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:25,719 Speaker 1: well known and and he went to great pains to 770 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:32,920 Speaker 1: make sure that I could never accuse him of, you know, 771 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,439 Speaker 1: neglecting his magazine work in order to do TV work. 772 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 1: It's like it's like as the better he got it TV, 773 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,880 Speaker 1: and the bigger he got it TV, the more the 774 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 1: more he tried to contribute and do work for the magazine. 775 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,920 Speaker 1: And I remember talking to him one time, was before 776 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 1: I went to the Golf Channel. So I was still 777 00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: at Golf World, and we were on a bus somewhere, 778 00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, some major writing from a parking lot to 779 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 1: the media center. And I and he had on you know, 780 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,680 Speaker 1: yacht on his suit and tie and and he was gonna, 781 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,799 Speaker 1: you know, he was gonna write. He was gonna do 782 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: TV and then he was gonna write a story overnight, 783 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,160 Speaker 1: and then he was gonna fly back to you know, 784 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 1: back to to Orlando to do you know, Monday TV. 785 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,279 Speaker 1: And I said, Tim, you know, you don't what are 786 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,240 Speaker 1: you doing? Like, you don't need to work this hard. 787 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 1: You're gonna you know, you're gonna, you know, you're gonna 788 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,880 Speaker 1: run your batteries down. You're gonna kill yourself. And and 789 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 1: and I want you, I said, I want you to 790 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 1: know I appreciate everything that you've done for Golf World 791 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,600 Speaker 1: and and and and how important you are to the 792 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,840 Speaker 1: magazine and everything you can, but you don't. If you 793 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,920 Speaker 1: all you have to do is tell me I can't 794 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,319 Speaker 1: do the writing anymore. I just want to do the 795 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,799 Speaker 1: TV and I will understand no hard feelings. And he 796 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 1: looked at me like I had three heads, you know. 797 00:47:54,680 --> 00:48:04,400 Speaker 1: Um so I never you know, I never had. I 798 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,440 Speaker 1: mean had a lot of people that worked for me 799 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 1: as you know that that were hard to manage and 800 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,040 Speaker 1: tricky to manage, and you had to find ways to 801 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:20,200 Speaker 1: motivate them. Um Tim was Tim was never that guy, 802 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,440 Speaker 1: not not one, not one single day. You know. The 803 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,799 Speaker 1: only the only time you ever had to give Tim 804 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:33,759 Speaker 1: a pep talk was when he when he occasionally felt, um, 805 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:39,600 Speaker 1: you know, like he wasn't good enough, which which is 806 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,160 Speaker 1: which is lappable. It sounds it's silly, you know, it's 807 00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:48,080 Speaker 1: really silly. But but that's where he that's where that 808 00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 1: incredible energy and in his incredible output, that's where it 809 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,680 Speaker 1: all came from. Was just trying to always trying to 810 00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:00,120 Speaker 1: prove himself. Meanwhile, Gary Williams, one of the original hosts 811 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,960 Speaker 1: of Golf Channel's Morning Drive, was one of many who 812 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:09,080 Speaker 1: benefited from Tim's lead blocking. Williams made a successful break 813 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,640 Speaker 1: from radio to TV. I love television, and I love 814 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,680 Speaker 1: sports television, and I love the history of people who 815 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,200 Speaker 1: blaze trails for others, and Tim is is in a 816 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,520 Speaker 1: category that I think is very particular and very special. 817 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:30,520 Speaker 1: I consider will McDonough that the grandfather of information men 818 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,560 Speaker 1: who took the printed word and put it in the 819 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:38,319 Speaker 1: visual medium. And then Peter Gammon's did the same thing 820 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,800 Speaker 1: in baseball, and coincidentally, from the same newspaper, the Boston Globe, 821 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:48,080 Speaker 1: Peter Vessey started doing it in basketball. Tim Roosevefort was 822 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:52,400 Speaker 1: Golf's version of the insider and the one who took 823 00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,759 Speaker 1: the print journalism man and put him in front of 824 00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:00,319 Speaker 1: a camera and he just opened up that notebook. Here's 825 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,480 Speaker 1: Phil Nicholson on Tim's transition. Yeah. So Tim rosy Fort 826 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,680 Speaker 1: really was the first to kind of transition with the 827 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,440 Speaker 1: times and with the media, going from print and then 828 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,920 Speaker 1: moving into video and television. And he did such a 829 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,839 Speaker 1: great job. He lost a lot of weight, he got 830 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,839 Speaker 1: physically fit, He had a unique look when he went 831 00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,520 Speaker 1: to the shaved head uh and he just uh. He 832 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,759 Speaker 1: was a very attractive guy. He looked twenty years younger 833 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,839 Speaker 1: than his actual age. I can't believe he's sixty six. 834 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,440 Speaker 1: He looks forty five even even the last time I 835 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,279 Speaker 1: saw him. And he was able to articulate as well 836 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,839 Speaker 1: as he could write. He was able to inflect and 837 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,720 Speaker 1: keep you interesting. Will also uh getting the point across. 838 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,480 Speaker 1: It's not easy to do. Some people are great with 839 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,640 Speaker 1: the written words and people are great verbalizing things. And 840 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,720 Speaker 1: he was great doing both. And he really transcended into 841 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,520 Speaker 1: the video world and was the first to do it, 842 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,200 Speaker 1: and a lot of people followed what he was able 843 00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:56,879 Speaker 1: to do it. I don't know if anybody followed quite 844 00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,279 Speaker 1: as well or eloquently as he did, but he was. 845 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,840 Speaker 1: He was brilliant in being able to transition his career 846 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,439 Speaker 1: as as social media. Different media's came into play back 847 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,319 Speaker 1: to Heimie Diaz, who stayed pure print and internet a 848 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,040 Speaker 1: little longer than most great reporters and writers, mainly because 849 00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,360 Speaker 1: he had a position at Golf Digest in Golf World 850 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:23,239 Speaker 1: that afforded him less urgency to diversify his platform portfolio. Yeah, 851 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,760 Speaker 1: Tim was a reporter, but he wasn't just a reporter. 852 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,480 Speaker 1: He had a look, he had a delivery. He had 853 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,240 Speaker 1: a presence on the air. He cultivated it, uh in 854 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,920 Speaker 1: a in a very professional way with his look and 855 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,680 Speaker 1: stayed in shape. He looked good. Um. He always wanted 856 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,600 Speaker 1: to learn and get better. He also studied what his 857 00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,200 Speaker 1: niche should be and that's really, I think so important 858 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,480 Speaker 1: in television because it's so collaborative and it's such a um, 859 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,920 Speaker 1: you know, kind of a positional specialization that that is 860 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,440 Speaker 1: demanded sometimes and he had that, you know. He he 861 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,000 Speaker 1: was the guy that could get anybody UM on deadline 862 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,759 Speaker 1: with the phone number, with the guy calling him back 863 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,640 Speaker 1: with the you know, UM, the access to UM a 864 00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,919 Speaker 1: particular player that may not talk to anybody else. Those 865 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,200 Speaker 1: were really important things in print and in TV. But 866 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,320 Speaker 1: they really suited TV in a unique way because nobody 867 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,000 Speaker 1: else had that, and to be honest, no one else 868 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:26,160 Speaker 1: since really has to the same extent. And uh, you know, 869 00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:30,520 Speaker 1: he liked he liked just presenting. I talked to this guy, 870 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,080 Speaker 1: I got him, here's what he said, and leaving it 871 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,040 Speaker 1: at that. He didn't need to offer his opinion, he 872 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,920 Speaker 1: didn't need to interpret it. He just wanted to put 873 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,839 Speaker 1: it out there for the other guys on the desk. 874 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,239 Speaker 1: To talk about it, and so it was all very 875 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:47,480 Speaker 1: clean and we're beautifully and you know, there was never 876 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,040 Speaker 1: enough of that. I mean, as far as the Golf 877 00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,439 Speaker 1: Channel was concerned, it was like, hey, Roosevelt could get him, 878 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,160 Speaker 1: you know, and we we saw the starting with President 879 00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,160 Speaker 1: Obama all the way down, you know, people that nobody 880 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:05,080 Speaker 1: else could get. Uh And so you know, yes he 881 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,040 Speaker 1: broke he broke a barrier, but in his own way, 882 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,440 Speaker 1: in a way that has has not been equaled in 883 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:16,240 Speaker 1: terms of that um, that particular specialty. I would imagine 884 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,400 Speaker 1: you build lineups around guys like that, right, you do. 885 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,120 Speaker 1: He's like a part of the starting lineup. And that 886 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,799 Speaker 1: gets me excited because I can think about alive from 887 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,960 Speaker 1: a major championship desk and you've got someone like a 888 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,319 Speaker 1: Rich Learner, the anchor, the quarterback, and you've got a 889 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,560 Speaker 1: Brandle Shamblee who's analyzing, and then you wanted Tim on 890 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,799 Speaker 1: that desk because Tim was going to tell you everything 891 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,600 Speaker 1: you needed to know about the players. Brandle was going 892 00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,120 Speaker 1: to analyze, but Tim was going to tell you about 893 00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,360 Speaker 1: the person and that was equally as important. I remember 894 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,800 Speaker 1: when I first got too Golf Channel in I moved 895 00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,120 Speaker 1: Tim into the Sunday night golf centrals because you wanted 896 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,759 Speaker 1: to know who the guy was or the woman was, 897 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,200 Speaker 1: who life who's life changed that day walking up the 898 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,080 Speaker 1: team fairway and winning a PGA Tour and LPG Tour 899 00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,160 Speaker 1: title for the first time. And you knew, right Matt 900 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,760 Speaker 1: he could get anybody on the phone and he would 901 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,400 Speaker 1: find out where they went to high school, what sport 902 00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,919 Speaker 1: they played, and what car they drove their first car 903 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,759 Speaker 1: like he always fleshed out a story and made it entertaining. 904 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,640 Speaker 1: Safe to say, Mark Mulvoy, who after retiring from Sports Illustrated, 905 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,840 Speaker 1: has not stopped playing and watching a lot of golf, 906 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,480 Speaker 1: will always be one of Rosafort's biggest fans. What I 907 00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,719 Speaker 1: used to love. You know, you'd be watching on when 908 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,120 Speaker 1: Timmy was I guess it was NBC he was doing, 909 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,880 Speaker 1: was an NBC. He'd be doing the NBC thing, and 910 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,960 Speaker 1: all of a sudden it be some guy that nobody 911 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:49,120 Speaker 1: ever heard of, you know, Charlie Slumbakavitz from South Peoria Falls, Idaho. 912 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,759 Speaker 1: Suddenly he'd be within four shots of the lead, and 913 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,080 Speaker 1: they said, oh my gosh, this is slumback of its 914 00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,160 Speaker 1: four shots within the lead. Tim what do you know 915 00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,400 Speaker 1: about him. Tibby would tell you that when he was 916 00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,239 Speaker 1: a little league third base, when he had a home 917 00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,920 Speaker 1: run against the future Major League picture picture that he dated, 918 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,319 Speaker 1: he took his date to the senior prom was this 919 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,560 Speaker 1: he hit that? I mean, you knew more about this 920 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,960 Speaker 1: kid than anybody in the world. Of course, maybe the 921 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,360 Speaker 1: kid the next day shot eighty four. But the point 922 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,520 Speaker 1: is Timmy provided instant information. But he knew what he 923 00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,680 Speaker 1: was talking about. It wasn't something off the top of 924 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,520 Speaker 1: his head. I mean he was missed a fact toy 925 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,759 Speaker 1: for the networks, which is what I really wanted it 926 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,920 Speaker 1: to be. For Sports Illustrated. Well, Gary Williams is the 927 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:34,080 Speaker 1: king of recall. He respected Rosafford's rolodex. He always has 928 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,239 Speaker 1: been so unassuming about all the things that he's accomplished 929 00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,279 Speaker 1: in his career that he never liked hearing this, But 930 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,399 Speaker 1: it's the truth. There's nobody else walking earth who has 931 00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:49,040 Speaker 1: every phone number of every living number of the World 932 00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,839 Speaker 1: Golf Hall of Fame. I think he's the only one, 933 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,600 Speaker 1: and he's the only one Matt that if he calls 934 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,719 Speaker 1: or texts that they're all calling him back. Now there's 935 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,680 Speaker 1: a there's a handful of guys and every Hall of 936 00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,560 Speaker 1: Fame members like, I'm not calling him back, but Rosie, 937 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:10,000 Speaker 1: are you kidding me? The king of the callbacks, Why 938 00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,520 Speaker 1: you being on the other side and one of the 939 00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,640 Speaker 1: most prominent players in modern golf, why would you called 940 00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,160 Speaker 1: him back? So I would always called him back because 941 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,040 Speaker 1: he would fact checked and he would want to know 942 00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,799 Speaker 1: the truth, and you would when you when you told 943 00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,239 Speaker 1: ask some things to be looked this as sensitive, I 944 00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:27,680 Speaker 1: don't really want to be on the record about this. 945 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,719 Speaker 1: He would respect that, and he wasn't trying to tear 946 00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,080 Speaker 1: anybody down. He would present the facts based on his knowledge. 947 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,000 Speaker 1: And because people trusted him, they were more open with 948 00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,520 Speaker 1: them and they and that's why he was so great 949 00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,240 Speaker 1: at what he did as far as being an inside 950 00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,800 Speaker 1: of me gave a golf because he earned players trust. 951 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,239 Speaker 1: He earned people's trust in the golf business and was 952 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,239 Speaker 1: able to uh to gather knowledge and insight because of that. 953 00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,040 Speaker 1: And he he handled it with as he would present 954 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,160 Speaker 1: it to the public. He handled it delicately that such 955 00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,080 Speaker 1: in situations that could be a little bit sticky, he 956 00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:03,120 Speaker 1: always had a real classy way of presenting it. Lanny 957 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,520 Speaker 1: Watkins always called Tim back as a player, you ended 958 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:11,440 Speaker 1: up with writers you could trust, you know, if you will, Okay, 959 00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,920 Speaker 1: Tim Rosefort was always one I could trust. I mean, 960 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,760 Speaker 1: I get a kick out of telling people about Jeff Rude. 961 00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,800 Speaker 1: That know, Jeff Rude. You know Jeff Rude. Rude was 962 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,560 Speaker 1: the Dallas Morning News golf Friday when I was rather 963 00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,760 Speaker 1: kept captain, and Rude warmed me out. Wanted my captain's picks. 964 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,360 Speaker 1: I mean, he had to have these picks before I 965 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,080 Speaker 1: announced him the morning answer the PJ because he wanted 966 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,240 Speaker 1: to have in the paper. He gave me such a 967 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,320 Speaker 1: hard time about it. I gave him the wrong names 968 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,800 Speaker 1: he had. Rude would love that. I mean, I mean 969 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,560 Speaker 1: Rosefort does that. I Tim would call me about things 970 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,920 Speaker 1: and he and I would talk. I would be the 971 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,480 Speaker 1: off the record guy, if you will, for Tim on 972 00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,840 Speaker 1: a lot of things. He would ask me questions. I said, Timmy, no, 973 00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,920 Speaker 1: I really can't have my name out there about that. 974 00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,880 Speaker 1: But if you here's the deal, here's the school, here's 975 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,000 Speaker 1: what happened. Back to Russell on the subject of Ryder 976 00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,200 Speaker 1: Cup captains, you know what a big deal it is 977 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,240 Speaker 1: when the PGA of America decides who the next rider 978 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,680 Speaker 1: Cup captain is going to be you know, that's that's 979 00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,720 Speaker 1: like a big story to them. It's a big story 980 00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:18,960 Speaker 1: in golf. It may it may seem like well it 981 00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, after a couple of days, it's maybe not 982 00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,320 Speaker 1: such a big story. That was a big story. And 983 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,280 Speaker 1: three or four years and three or four times in 984 00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:32,680 Speaker 1: a row, Tim figured out. Tim got the name of 985 00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:37,439 Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup captain before before anybody else. I think 986 00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,720 Speaker 1: at least one of you know that Tom wat When 987 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,360 Speaker 1: when when Tom Watson became the captain before Glenn Eagles. 988 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,640 Speaker 1: Tim was the guy who got that story. And that 989 00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,400 Speaker 1: was the most remarkable one because nobody saw Tom Watson coming, 990 00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,320 Speaker 1: you know, nobody saw Ted Bishop was gonna was gonna 991 00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,120 Speaker 1: pick Tom Watson. And and I remember we were at 992 00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,560 Speaker 1: the Golf Channel then and Tim came to me and said, 993 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,480 Speaker 1: you know, told me that he had And I was like, Tim, 994 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,360 Speaker 1: what are you talking to? Like I think you're wrong, 995 00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,560 Speaker 1: you know, I told me, I don't know, it's gonna 996 00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:13,240 Speaker 1: be Tom Watson, right, And he was right. And but 997 00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,960 Speaker 1: the but the thing I'll never forget is that he 998 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:21,560 Speaker 1: became he really became a a thorn in the side 999 00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,080 Speaker 1: of the PGA of America. The PGA of America loved 1000 00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,680 Speaker 1: Tim Roseford. You know. They they were in West Palm. 1001 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,760 Speaker 1: Tim lived in West Palm and it was like a 1002 00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:34,480 Speaker 1: hometown thing. But man, they wanted to keep that secret 1003 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,720 Speaker 1: until they could, you know, introduce the captain themselves. You know, 1004 00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,120 Speaker 1: they themselves like they wanted that's something they wanted to do. 1005 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:47,840 Speaker 1: And Tim kept finding out and breaking the story, and 1006 00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,680 Speaker 1: and they and and they would get like, you know, 1007 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,880 Speaker 1: they would get so angry and upset about it, and 1008 00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,520 Speaker 1: and there's just nothing they could do. He was he 1009 00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,560 Speaker 1: was too good a report and had you know, his 1010 01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:08,640 Speaker 1: sources were too impeccable. Um that you know, we had 1011 01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:12,800 Speaker 1: to we had to talk about something else. Act they 1012 01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:17,040 Speaker 1: would just get Uh. Here's Matt Haggerty of The Golf 1013 01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,280 Speaker 1: Channel for more on Tim's impact on the types of 1014 01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,280 Speaker 1: breaking news that went from the Ticker to Twitter and 1015 01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,920 Speaker 1: vice versa. The one that always sticks out to me 1016 01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,920 Speaker 1: was Dustin Johnson and the Masters when he when he 1017 01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:32,480 Speaker 1: fell down the steps. You know, Um, you know Tim was, 1018 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,040 Speaker 1: you know, we were, you know, we were on the air. 1019 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:39,040 Speaker 1: It was I think we were. I think we were. 1020 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,280 Speaker 1: It was weather that day and we were trying to 1021 01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:45,160 Speaker 1: tape the show, so we were like in this tape mode, 1022 01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,400 Speaker 1: so we were just trying to get the show to air. 1023 01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:54,120 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden Tim calls and he says, hey, 1024 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,880 Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson just fell down a flight of steps and 1025 01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,000 Speaker 1: it's questionable whether he's going to be able to play 1026 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,280 Speaker 1: the Masters. And then the next thing, you know, Tim 1027 01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,240 Speaker 1: was on the phone with all these different people, you know, 1028 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:13,200 Speaker 1: whether it was Claude Harmon or Butch Harmon or David Winkle, 1029 01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,640 Speaker 1: whoever it was, you know, all these people on the 1030 01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:20,640 Speaker 1: inner circle of Dustin Johnson and um. And it was 1031 01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,920 Speaker 1: a big story because Dustin was, you know favorite, I 1032 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,680 Speaker 1: mean he was he was number one player in world. 1033 01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,200 Speaker 1: He was favored to win the Masters. I mean it 1034 01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:30,600 Speaker 1: was huge, and he just it was a really big 1035 01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,600 Speaker 1: story and he covered it and he had it all 1036 01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:39,200 Speaker 1: and it was there was and then he delivers it perfectly, 1037 01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,240 Speaker 1: you know, on air, and it all happened like boom boom, 1038 01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:48,160 Speaker 1: boom boom. It all happened really fast, and we wouldn't 1039 01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,160 Speaker 1: have had that Golf Channel wouldn't have been as good 1040 01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,960 Speaker 1: that day. If we didn't have Tim roaster Ford, we 1041 01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,360 Speaker 1: wouldn't have been good and we were great that night 1042 01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,720 Speaker 1: because we had Tim. So that's the difference cut to 1043 01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,280 Speaker 1: I'll never forget the day I noticed that there might 1044 01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,360 Speaker 1: be an issue. We were on set together at Morning 1045 01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,800 Speaker 1: Drive and we did a segment with Damon Hack. Although 1046 01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:14,320 Speaker 1: I've been victim of and witnessed to several glitches in memory, 1047 01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,919 Speaker 1: especially when it comes to live TV, but I saw 1048 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:23,000 Speaker 1: that day in from Tim was something different. Something wasn't right. 1049 01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,800 Speaker 1: As we all emptied into the hallway outside of Studio AP, 1050 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,000 Speaker 1: I asked the Arna Palmer of our industry if he 1051 01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:35,520 Speaker 1: felt okay. He said he did. Damon Hack and e 1052 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,280 Speaker 1: Sidebard about what we had seen. We were both concerned 1053 01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,400 Speaker 1: but not sure what to do about it. As the 1054 01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:47,080 Speaker 1: story goes, he was at Pebble for the US Open 1055 01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:51,000 Speaker 1: and things were just so far off and disoriented that 1056 01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:55,280 Speaker 1: Jeff Russell called Genevieve and said, we've got to send 1057 01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:59,280 Speaker 1: Tim home. It's just we were really concerned about him, 1058 01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:03,440 Speaker 1: and was the point basically when his career as he 1059 01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,000 Speaker 1: knew it came to a close. That week at Pebble, 1060 01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:11,200 Speaker 1: Tim forgot Webb Simpson had won the US Open. He 1061 01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,000 Speaker 1: forgot the U s g A changed their playoff policy, 1062 01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,280 Speaker 1: and when asked to chase down some information on Nate Lashley, 1063 01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,040 Speaker 1: who was finishing in early round near the top of 1064 01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:24,280 Speaker 1: the leaderboard, Tim burst into the scores tend in search 1065 01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:29,000 Speaker 1: of an interview. Tim, of all people, knew the Scorers 1066 01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,240 Speaker 1: trailer is off limits to the media. Matt Haggerty with 1067 01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,880 Speaker 1: his perspective, it's almost like, why didn't we say something sooner? 1068 01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,160 Speaker 1: You know, like, but there was so much. You know, 1069 01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,560 Speaker 1: Television is such a television is such a fucked up 1070 01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:49,320 Speaker 1: world at times, you know, and you don't and you 1071 01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,200 Speaker 1: and and and it it can be there can be 1072 01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:56,680 Speaker 1: tons of insecurity in it. There's tons of pressure involved 1073 01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:01,800 Speaker 1: in it. And I think at for a long time 1074 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,080 Speaker 1: we just thought that, you know, this is part of 1075 01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:08,440 Speaker 1: the business. You know, it's stressful. You know, you're looking 1076 01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:13,400 Speaker 1: over your shoulder and there's you know, and there's pressure 1077 01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,840 Speaker 1: to get things and get things right and get things 1078 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,880 Speaker 1: right on time and quick and fast. You know, like 1079 01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:23,080 Speaker 1: there's so much and I think that so much of 1080 01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:27,800 Speaker 1: of some of the early signs we saw, we just thought, well, 1081 01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,760 Speaker 1: that's the pressure. And once, you know, like once we 1082 01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,320 Speaker 1: get through this, you know it's gonna get better and 1083 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,840 Speaker 1: once we get through this, it'll get better. And then 1084 01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,760 Speaker 1: it it didn't, and it manifested itself in a lot 1085 01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,360 Speaker 1: of different ways, like asking the same question a couple 1086 01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,600 Speaker 1: of different times, and then you're like, why is he 1087 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:50,000 Speaker 1: asking that question? Is he asking me that question because 1088 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,360 Speaker 1: he wants to make sure he gets it right? Or 1089 01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:59,280 Speaker 1: is he forget it? And there's a fine line because 1090 01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,520 Speaker 1: some people ask questions because they want to make sure 1091 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,040 Speaker 1: they they've got it right right, And you're always telling people, 1092 01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,680 Speaker 1: if you've got any questions, make sure you ask right, 1093 01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,440 Speaker 1: Like if you got any if she asked, so he's asking, 1094 01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:16,480 Speaker 1: and so you walk away. I get answered that question 1095 01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,800 Speaker 1: a few times. Was he just trying to get rock 1096 01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:25,520 Speaker 1: solid on that m again, that was a sign more 1097 01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:29,320 Speaker 1: from Himie dis When I heard about Tim's diagnosis for Alzheimer's, 1098 01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it was a terrible shock, and it was 1099 01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:39,720 Speaker 1: the worst case scenario, obviously, because there was concerned that 1100 01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,880 Speaker 1: that Tim in some ways was losing some cognitive skills 1101 01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:47,760 Speaker 1: um for whatever reason. And uh it had been going 1102 01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:52,360 Speaker 1: on gradually for about a year. UM it certainly wasn't 1103 01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:57,080 Speaker 1: to the point where he was unpresentable on TV. He 1104 01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:01,080 Speaker 1: was you know, masking it. Well, it was bothering him 1105 01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:03,840 Speaker 1: that he was starting to forget a little bit more. 1106 01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,160 Speaker 1: He went to get checked out. Um, he was told 1107 01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:11,640 Speaker 1: it was anxiety. Um. You know, we were all concerned. 1108 01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,160 Speaker 1: We knew he played football. You know, you wondered, CTE, 1109 01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:20,680 Speaker 1: could there be some kind of progressive problem physiologically and UM, 1110 01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:25,640 Speaker 1: but I didn't. UM, I didn't really consider Alzheimer's because 1111 01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:32,600 Speaker 1: that just seems as if, um, it's it's more uh, well, 1112 01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:37,280 Speaker 1: obviously it's just more grave. And I guess I didn't 1113 01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,920 Speaker 1: want to let myself go there. Um. And Tim was 1114 01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,600 Speaker 1: in denial a bit about not about Alzheimer's, but about 1115 01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:49,400 Speaker 1: the possible issues. You know, he wanted it to be anxiety. 1116 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,280 Speaker 1: He wanted to be something he could correct, something he 1117 01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,720 Speaker 1: could deal with, and and he was talking to specialists 1118 01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,440 Speaker 1: and he thought he was making progress. And he and 1119 01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,360 Speaker 1: I had a lot of conversations, you know, just about 1120 01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,920 Speaker 1: how to relax. Not that I was any model of 1121 01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:06,600 Speaker 1: relaxation or am on television, but I was sitting next 1122 01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,920 Speaker 1: to him, and you know, I knew it was going 1123 01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,880 Speaker 1: to be a struggle for whatever reason. And you know, 1124 01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,640 Speaker 1: I've seen him on the golf course sometimes get anxious, uh, 1125 01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:18,800 Speaker 1: in terms of you know, just getting his own way 1126 01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,720 Speaker 1: about the golf swing or whatever. And you know, it 1127 01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,320 Speaker 1: was a strength and a weakness for him to be 1128 01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,120 Speaker 1: so conscious of, you know, how to get better, how 1129 01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:30,000 Speaker 1: to get better, and always be you know, focused on that, 1130 01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,439 Speaker 1: because yeah, it helps you get better to care so much, 1131 01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,400 Speaker 1: but it can help me get worse. Two to to 1132 01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:42,000 Speaker 1: not be able to forget in the moment that you know, 1133 01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,520 Speaker 1: all those things that you've been worried about. Let's go 1134 01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:48,160 Speaker 1: back to Jeff Russell. The diagnosis was crushing. I mean 1135 01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:53,000 Speaker 1: it was crushing, but a little part of me was like, 1136 01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:58,080 Speaker 1: I'm it explains a lot, you know, to find out 1137 01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:01,760 Speaker 1: that he's got a medical condition explains a lot because 1138 01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,640 Speaker 1: what I saw, you know, what I saw happening in 1139 01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,200 Speaker 1: the last year could not have been you know, it 1140 01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:12,320 Speaker 1: just wasn't the Tim Roseford. I I knew, you know 1141 01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:17,840 Speaker 1: it and and um, but but yeah, you know, if 1142 01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:23,240 Speaker 1: it it's it's uh, he is such a great storyteller. 1143 01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,840 Speaker 1: And it's and the really sad thing is too, is 1144 01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:31,960 Speaker 1: he's got you know, he gets Alzheimer's, which is impacts 1145 01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:38,680 Speaker 1: the storyteller, right, um, and and and really damages that 1146 01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:42,000 Speaker 1: and now Jim Nance, who had gotten involved after it 1147 01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:47,360 Speaker 1: was clear everyone needed definitive answers. Nance's father died of Alzheimer's, 1148 01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,760 Speaker 1: and in two thousand eleven, in his father's honor, he 1149 01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:55,519 Speaker 1: created the Nance National Alzheimer Center, which since it opened 1150 01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:00,280 Speaker 1: has become a world leader in alzheimer research. The hospital 1151 01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:03,160 Speaker 1: in Houston treats thousands of patients a year, with goals 1152 01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:07,599 Speaker 1: to prevent the disease, slow down memory loss, and improve 1153 01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:11,720 Speaker 1: the quality of life for their patients. Tim, along with 1154 01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,719 Speaker 1: his wife and daughter Molly, went to Houston for almost 1155 01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:18,240 Speaker 1: a week for a series of tests and analysis. Nance 1156 01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:21,120 Speaker 1: picked up the bill for everything that wasn't covered by insurance. 1157 01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:23,880 Speaker 1: Has been a friend of mine for a long long time. 1158 01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,200 Speaker 1: But all of a sudden you start hearing from the 1159 01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,599 Speaker 1: pulse banglers and that Davis testiness of the world. And 1160 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,080 Speaker 1: I hate to even just start rattling off names because 1161 01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,439 Speaker 1: there were many many people said, he have you heard 1162 01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:39,880 Speaker 1: about Tim? What can you do? I mean, instantly I 1163 01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,439 Speaker 1: got on the phone called Genevieve. I had met her 1164 01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:47,160 Speaker 1: and his daughters years ago. I remember when the girls 1165 01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,960 Speaker 1: were young, and how proud of father he was, and 1166 01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:56,320 Speaker 1: how great father and husband he is um And I said, Genevieve, 1167 01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,400 Speaker 1: please please let me just get you at says to 1168 01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:03,080 Speaker 1: our people down in Houston. Let's let's get Tim to 1169 01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,640 Speaker 1: Houston and we can get a game plan going and 1170 01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,240 Speaker 1: we can try to give him the best care and 1171 01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,000 Speaker 1: give him a chance and give him hope. In an 1172 01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,320 Speaker 1: effort to try and educate all of us on this 1173 01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,360 Speaker 1: horrific disease. Nance put me in touch with his lead 1174 01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:20,920 Speaker 1: doctor in Houston, Dr Stanley Appell, a specialist in neurology 1175 01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:28,560 Speaker 1: and neuromuscular medicine. Well, Alzheimer's is a very difficult proposition. 1176 01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:33,760 Speaker 1: It's been difficult for patients, it's been difficult for families, 1177 01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,400 Speaker 1: and it's really been hard for the medical profession to 1178 01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,639 Speaker 1: come up with a meaningful therapy. As a matter of fact, 1179 01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:48,000 Speaker 1: at present, there are truly no meaningful therapies. And the 1180 01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:55,439 Speaker 1: difficulty is this isn't just a diagnosis of an individual patient. 1181 01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,760 Speaker 1: This is a diagnosis that affects the whole family. The 1182 01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,799 Speaker 1: old family is implicated. You know, during the early stages 1183 01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:09,439 Speaker 1: of Alzheimer's, the patient is aware at the earliest stage, 1184 01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:12,280 Speaker 1: the family might not be aware, and only the patient 1185 01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:17,000 Speaker 1: might be aware, but as you progress through the varying stages, 1186 01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:22,439 Speaker 1: it turns out that the family is aware and the 1187 01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,840 Speaker 1: patient is aware. And then we get to what I 1188 01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:29,519 Speaker 1: consider the most horrific part of it, when the patient 1189 01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:33,639 Speaker 1: is not aware and the family and friends and loved 1190 01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:39,280 Speaker 1: ones so totally aware, and you can't connect. And that's 1191 01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:42,800 Speaker 1: the difficulty. This interview was almost a year ago. Dr 1192 01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:45,840 Speaker 1: Appelle was incredibly generous with his time, and I'll follow 1193 01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,840 Speaker 1: up this podcast with much more on the disease itself 1194 01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:53,000 Speaker 1: from both Nance and dr Appelle, but for now here 1195 01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:56,479 Speaker 1: he is on the indicators. Is there a few things 1196 01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,639 Speaker 1: you give people to look forward to better educate them 1197 01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:05,400 Speaker 1: about this? Hey, it's time to go see a doctor. Well, look, 1198 01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:12,519 Speaker 1: the experience is an interesting one. When you forget a 1199 01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:19,120 Speaker 1: few things, we usually say, Okay, I've forgotten something, big deal. 1200 01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:24,720 Speaker 1: I'm just getting a little older. Well does that happen? Sure? Uh, 1201 01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:30,920 Speaker 1: But then people don't act on that. Patients don't act 1202 01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,839 Speaker 1: on that, families don't act on that, and you keep waiting. 1203 01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:40,519 Speaker 1: And unfortunately, in the old days, you would wait until 1204 01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:47,920 Speaker 1: people were acting out when they weren't themselves, and you say, oh, 1205 01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,760 Speaker 1: it's hit the emotional stage. Therefore, I need to get 1206 01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,639 Speaker 1: him to the doctor to quiet things down. I think 1207 01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:59,280 Speaker 1: we're a lot better about this now. So Ah, could 1208 01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:03,680 Speaker 1: there be strong oakes causing this? Sure? Could there be 1209 01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:09,160 Speaker 1: sleep at me and causing it? Sure? So the problem 1210 01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:15,520 Speaker 1: is any symptom I give you could have multiple explanations. 1211 01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:21,080 Speaker 1: All I would say is we need informed patients, and 1212 01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:25,080 Speaker 1: we need informed physicians who don't make the assumption that 1213 01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:30,080 Speaker 1: everything is a stroke or everything is anxiety depression, which 1214 01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:34,840 Speaker 1: people are too easy to implicate. I asked Nance for 1215 01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,680 Speaker 1: his advice on how to best handle the situation in 1216 01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:41,479 Speaker 1: which a loved one is diagnosed with Alzheimer's. I just 1217 01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:46,240 Speaker 1: got to the point where I savored every stage with 1218 01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:50,280 Speaker 1: my dad, even though I would say, for the last 1219 01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,559 Speaker 1: five years you couldn't really tell, like even knew who 1220 01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,760 Speaker 1: you were. But you know, the next year would come 1221 01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,800 Speaker 1: around and you think, man, I wish he was at 1222 01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:01,479 Speaker 1: the stage it was a year ago. No. I quickly 1223 01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:05,720 Speaker 1: learned that you have to like realize what you have 1224 01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:09,639 Speaker 1: that moment. It's it's as good as it's going to be, 1225 01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:13,639 Speaker 1: because it's only gonna continue to go down a path 1226 01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:18,040 Speaker 1: where it just it worsens, So savor, savor the moment, 1227 01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,639 Speaker 1: take it for what it is. They're trying their harness. 1228 01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,720 Speaker 1: I used to look at my dad and think that 1229 01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:28,960 Speaker 1: somewhere inside of him, he knows exactly what I'm saying. 1230 01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,880 Speaker 1: He just can't respond. He doesn't have the ability to 1231 01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:37,080 Speaker 1: connect everything and show you that he's hearing you and 1232 01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,040 Speaker 1: he wants to. I was trying to do some reading 1233 01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,920 Speaker 1: is to how I should communicate with tim and not 1234 01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,879 Speaker 1: try to make him feel frustrated that he can't remember 1235 01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:49,320 Speaker 1: and or just fill in the gaps for them prior 1236 01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:51,760 Speaker 1: to even teeing them up for a story. Like I 1237 01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,599 Speaker 1: just struggle with that, and I wonder, am I what 1238 01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,320 Speaker 1: do I need to be doing right or wrong to 1239 01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,360 Speaker 1: before we to that? And I'll get to that in 1240 01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:06,639 Speaker 1: a minute. Everyone asked me to predict the future, doc 1241 01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:08,680 Speaker 1: how long is my loved one done it? When is 1242 01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,280 Speaker 1: it going to be worth everything? And we can't do it, 1243 01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:14,639 Speaker 1: none of us can do it because everyone is different. 1244 01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:18,000 Speaker 1: So that's the first issue. One day at a time, 1245 01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:20,759 Speaker 1: you know, that's all we're given, one day at a time. 1246 01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:26,840 Speaker 1: So the one day at a time implies patience. It's 1247 01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:30,280 Speaker 1: patience on the family's part. It's patient on the loved 1248 01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:34,760 Speaker 1: ones part, it's patient on the great friends part. So 1249 01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:41,320 Speaker 1: we don't have to remind people that they're slipping. They 1250 01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:45,960 Speaker 1: know it at early stages. You know it. Uh, Let's 1251 01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:50,519 Speaker 1: not try and make them smarter, because it's frustrating for them, 1252 01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:55,920 Speaker 1: frustrating for you. Let's remember a couple of things. Number one, 1253 01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:03,240 Speaker 1: most patients with Alzheimer's have great memory of things thirty 1254 01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:10,439 Speaker 1: years ago. It's very comforting. Music is very comforting. So 1255 01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,240 Speaker 1: let's take out the picture alboom of what it was 1256 01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,439 Speaker 1: like thirty years ago, when we were young, when we 1257 01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:23,200 Speaker 1: did daring things. That's comforting. It's comforting for the patient, 1258 01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:28,719 Speaker 1: it's comforting for you as a great friend. Music, music 1259 01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:33,519 Speaker 1: that you all love. Amazing to me how music and 1260 01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:38,719 Speaker 1: dancing at some of our centers is an effective way 1261 01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:45,200 Speaker 1: to keep patients involved, happy and remembering what days were like. 1262 01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:52,200 Speaker 1: So when you lose function, you lose the most recent function. 1263 01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,800 Speaker 1: What did I have for breakfast? What did I do yesterday? 1264 01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:59,479 Speaker 1: What did I do the day before? That happens to 1265 01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:03,799 Speaker 1: all of us anyway. But when we go back twenty 1266 01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,360 Speaker 1: or thirty years, we may forget the name, but we 1267 01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:12,519 Speaker 1: don't forget the experience. We don't ever forget. You know, 1268 01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:15,840 Speaker 1: it's not what you said that I remember. It's how 1269 01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:20,679 Speaker 1: you made me feel that you don't forget and that 1270 01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:25,680 Speaker 1: you can relate to. And guess what, even patients with 1271 01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:30,160 Speaker 1: alzheimas can relate to that. So there's no reason to 1272 01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:34,080 Speaker 1: challenge anyone to remember anything yesterday or the day before. 1273 01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:39,160 Speaker 1: Get in their comfort zone and really address their comfort 1274 01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:43,040 Speaker 1: zone so their days can be better. Well. Nance was 1275 01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:46,280 Speaker 1: getting rosfort access to his hospital and doctors. The rest 1276 01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:48,240 Speaker 1: of us were doing the best we could to connect 1277 01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:52,160 Speaker 1: with our friend. By the summer of Tim and I 1278 01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,720 Speaker 1: had both been bought out of our golf channel contracts 1279 01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:59,080 Speaker 1: NBC and Molly Solomon, the channel's executive producer, honored the 1280 01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,000 Speaker 1: full two years Tim had left on his deal, which 1281 01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:05,280 Speaker 1: meant a lot to him and his family. I had 1282 01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:07,880 Speaker 1: the time and opportunity to make the same drive Timid 1283 01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,799 Speaker 1: made so often over the course of his career, Orlando 1284 01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,800 Speaker 1: to Palm Beach. I picked him up at his house 1285 01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,400 Speaker 1: on Sunday afternoons and we would play The Palm Beach 1286 01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:19,080 Speaker 1: Part three. The course would give us the run of 1287 01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:23,519 Speaker 1: the place. Tony the pro never charged us. Patrick the 1288 01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:27,200 Speaker 1: starter always had a cart waiting. We jump around, hit 1289 01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:31,479 Speaker 1: some shots, drink a beer, have some fun. If it 1290 01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,600 Speaker 1: was too hot, we just sit at the bar and 1291 01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:37,040 Speaker 1: eat lunch. It was a series of Sundays with Rosie, 1292 01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:52,120 Speaker 1: started with the par and ended with the par How 1293 01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:56,040 Speaker 1: good is that, Jenny Hawk? Where are you? Man? You've 1294 01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,479 Speaker 1: been mad at that one? That would have won you 1295 01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:01,120 Speaker 1: a lot? Think too bad? Do? I hope you're doing 1296 01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:04,600 Speaker 1: Bill doing will and I miss you. We had some 1297 01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:06,920 Speaker 1: good times on the road. I'm not so good times. 1298 01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:11,720 Speaker 1: That's what l's all about, right, amen, buddy. I was 1299 01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,800 Speaker 1: often joined on these trips by Jeff Russell, Craig Dulch, 1300 01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:19,560 Speaker 1: Davis Sesna, and Matt Haggarty. I'll never ever forget that day, 1301 01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,120 Speaker 1: you know. I'll never ever forget that day. I won't. 1302 01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,679 Speaker 1: I won't, you know, from picking him up, from driving 1303 01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,160 Speaker 1: from driving down and not knowing if we were actually 1304 01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:32,280 Speaker 1: going to meet him that morning, UM to him coming 1305 01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:36,800 Speaker 1: out getting in your car. You couldn't move because you 1306 01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:41,519 Speaker 1: just had a spinal tap um a few days earlier, 1307 01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:46,679 Speaker 1: so you still sore. Breakfast He was funny. He drank 1308 01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:50,000 Speaker 1: a lot of iced tea that morning. And then over 1309 01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:54,160 Speaker 1: to the Atlantic Ocean, sitting there looking at it, talking, 1310 01:19:54,280 --> 01:20:01,599 Speaker 1: remembering it, crying, laughing, and then I remember him asking 1311 01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:03,479 Speaker 1: for beers. He wanted to go good beer. So we 1312 01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:06,639 Speaker 1: went back. We had a couple of beers. I mean, 1313 01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:10,439 Speaker 1: it was a really it was a beautiful day, you know. 1314 01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:16,720 Speaker 1: And then at the very end and it was like 1315 01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,400 Speaker 1: the whole thing, everything was like everything was all right, 1316 01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,559 Speaker 1: and like all day, everything was all right, all morning, 1317 01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:26,880 Speaker 1: everything was all right. And then we get out of 1318 01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,400 Speaker 1: the car and it's been you and me and tim 1319 01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:36,680 Speaker 1: all day. And I get out. I was sitting in 1320 01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:38,680 Speaker 1: the back and I get out of the car and 1321 01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,960 Speaker 1: Timmy has gotten out of the car and we were 1322 01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,720 Speaker 1: walking and he turned around. He looked at me and 1323 01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:45,880 Speaker 1: he says, hey, is is there anybody in the car. 1324 01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:48,880 Speaker 1: I need to say goodbye to you guys. Let's do 1325 01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:53,080 Speaker 1: this again. Yes, I hope too, buddy. I'm gonna be down. 1326 01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:56,880 Speaker 1: I'm around with so I'm gonna come back now cool 1327 01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:04,920 Speaker 1: one O nine and just make sure you didn't Oh yeah, yeah, 1328 01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:08,240 Speaker 1: I'll come and ask you. I love you guys. I 1329 01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,200 Speaker 1: can get a lift through this. Oh yeah, we're going 1330 01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:19,200 Speaker 1: through it. It I missed him Rosafort. Besides the occasional FaceTime, 1331 01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:21,360 Speaker 1: and because my family and I moved to San Diego. 1332 01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,760 Speaker 1: The last time I saw him was in November, the 1333 01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:28,080 Speaker 1: weekend of his second daughter's wedding. It was so good 1334 01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:32,040 Speaker 1: to watch him see Molly get married to Mason. They 1335 01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,800 Speaker 1: had moved up. To date, the SESNA has hosted it 1336 01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,400 Speaker 1: and it was an incredibly special evening in Palm Beach. 1337 01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:43,519 Speaker 1: Here's more from Davis. Sesna first and foremost is a 1338 01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:47,240 Speaker 1: great friend of mine. I'm I'm blessed to have him 1339 01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:51,960 Speaker 1: as a friend, and I'm flattered, Uh that he calls 1340 01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:57,479 Speaker 1: me a friend. Uh. And he he is a giver. Uh. 1341 01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:00,880 Speaker 1: They're givers and takers in life. And Tim has always 1342 01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,679 Speaker 1: been a giver. Even when he was on the taking 1343 01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:06,439 Speaker 1: side of an interview where he had to get a 1344 01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:10,000 Speaker 1: story out. Uh, he was giving of his heart and 1345 01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:17,000 Speaker 1: respect to the questions. Uh and to the performance. Uh. 1346 01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:21,960 Speaker 1: He has done that. You know. He and Genevieve been 1347 01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:26,720 Speaker 1: married a long time with beautiful kids. Uh. And uh 1348 01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:31,679 Speaker 1: he uh Uh he never hung out after the show. 1349 01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:34,880 Speaker 1: He most half the time I would talk to Tim, 1350 01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:38,680 Speaker 1: and I'm sure it was with you. Tim was on 1351 01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:42,040 Speaker 1: the road between Orlando and West Palm Beach. That was 1352 01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:45,360 Speaker 1: the time he had to talk because he wanted to 1353 01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:52,640 Speaker 1: get home to the family. Uh and uh Uh this 1354 01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:58,519 Speaker 1: Alzheimer's for Tim is devastating for him and us because 1355 01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,800 Speaker 1: we've sort of felt he was just coming into his 1356 01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:06,519 Speaker 1: celebrated years of being a journalist where he was getting 1357 01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,760 Speaker 1: the best stories. Uh. He could walk into any door 1358 01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:14,000 Speaker 1: anywhere in the world. He had achieved the respect and notoriety, 1359 01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:19,040 Speaker 1: Uh to perform at the level he always wanted. Uh. 1360 01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:23,040 Speaker 1: And then it it just shut him down. It's not right. 1361 01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:29,640 Speaker 1: Uh and uh it just hurts. Uh. We love the 1362 01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:36,640 Speaker 1: guy and he he so wants to be back, and 1363 01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:38,720 Speaker 1: you and and when you talk to him, you so 1364 01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:45,439 Speaker 1: want him to be back, and he can't be And 1365 01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:50,320 Speaker 1: and that's painful. Roseford had an aggressive case of the 1366 01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:54,280 Speaker 1: horrific disease and as a result, he fell. He broke 1367 01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:58,680 Speaker 1: his hip, and that only exacerbated his decline. Prior to 1368 01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:00,960 Speaker 1: the fall, a wide variet idea of his friends would 1369 01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:04,719 Speaker 1: visit Tim. Here's Bob Ford again, the pro It's seminar 1370 01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,519 Speaker 1: in Oakmont, who would see Tim on a regular basis 1371 01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:09,840 Speaker 1: during the opens at Oakmont. You know, he would stay 1372 01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:12,320 Speaker 1: with me, and we had a gal that would cook 1373 01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:17,760 Speaker 1: for everybody that week. And you know, he came home 1374 01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,439 Speaker 1: late as you like you would, and you know, ten 1375 01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,040 Speaker 1: ten thirty eleven, I'm already in bed. I'm not waiting 1376 01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:26,760 Speaker 1: up for him. And this guy was so enthralled with 1377 01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:28,760 Speaker 1: who he was, and he was so sweet to her, 1378 01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,400 Speaker 1: as you can imagine, and she waited up for him 1379 01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:33,240 Speaker 1: and cook, you know, heat his food up for him, 1380 01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:35,720 Speaker 1: and he'd eat and go to bed, and uh so 1381 01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:37,639 Speaker 1: we didn't get a chance to talk a lot during 1382 01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:39,439 Speaker 1: that week, you know, a week of the U S Open. 1383 01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:44,040 Speaker 1: He's obviously and we're both busy, but you know, those 1384 01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,760 Speaker 1: were great times that we had together. And we played 1385 01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:48,839 Speaker 1: a lot of golf together. He's come over to Seminal 1386 01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,559 Speaker 1: a lot to hit some balls with me, and we've 1387 01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:55,320 Speaker 1: had a few lunches this uh this season together with 1388 01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:57,840 Speaker 1: a few of the guys that he knows, and you know, 1389 01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:02,200 Speaker 1: he's he's incredibly engaging and he's timmy pretty much during 1390 01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:04,280 Speaker 1: the whole time. You know, you know, when they leave, 1391 01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:07,679 Speaker 1: you know, tell me again his name and and things 1392 01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:09,760 Speaker 1: like that. But all in all, I think he's been 1393 01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:14,320 Speaker 1: doing really well. John Hawkins would send Tim video messages 1394 01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:15,880 Speaker 1: which I'd played for Tim while we were on the 1395 01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:19,360 Speaker 1: golf course. To the man who taught me more about 1396 01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:23,040 Speaker 1: being a golf writer than anybody on earth, the man 1397 01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:26,240 Speaker 1: who got me on more great golf courses for free 1398 01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:30,519 Speaker 1: than anybody on earth than any twenty five people on earth. 1399 01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:36,280 Speaker 1: To my hero, my friend, my idol, one of the 1400 01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:39,439 Speaker 1: greatest men I've ever met, t Rose. How about that 1401 01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:43,439 Speaker 1: put on eight team bro? Oh my goodness, we could 1402 01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:46,800 Speaker 1: have used that at Hillside, as Mattie G pointed out, 1403 01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,360 Speaker 1: You slept Mattie G upside of the head for that 1404 01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,920 Speaker 1: with Mattie Gee, huge shout out for sending me a 1405 01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,880 Speaker 1: video And Tim, I love you, brother, I miss you. 1406 01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:01,040 Speaker 1: I talked to Rude as soon as I got previous movie. 1407 01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,120 Speaker 1: We're both thinking of you. We both love you. You've 1408 01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:07,479 Speaker 1: been such a huge part of our lives. You get better, 1409 01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:11,000 Speaker 1: you hang in there, you hang tough. I know you will, 1410 01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:13,680 Speaker 1: because you don't know any other way. One of the 1411 01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:17,400 Speaker 1: hardest working guys I've ever been around, probably the most 1412 01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:21,679 Speaker 1: influential journalists in my career. Tim Rosafort. I can't thank 1413 01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:24,360 Speaker 1: you enough. Brother. There's anything I can do to make 1414 01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:27,320 Speaker 1: your life better. Please give me a shout. I love you, 1415 01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:30,880 Speaker 1: talk to you soon. Take care. Tim would often ask 1416 01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:34,679 Speaker 1: to fire back. Johnny Hawk here with t Rose Palm 1417 01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:37,840 Speaker 1: Beach Part three. I told him you gave him a 1418 01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,519 Speaker 1: call today and wish him nothing but the best. Kenny, 1419 01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:45,120 Speaker 1: where are you been? Man? I miss you and nobody 1420 01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:49,840 Speaker 1: to fight against him with the last ten years. So 1421 01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:54,439 Speaker 1: let's taking this little injury minor maybe potential setback to 1422 01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:59,240 Speaker 1: move up to a couple of teas Grandpa tease you 1423 01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:04,240 Speaker 1: used today anyway, right tell Ruda said, Hey, you know, 1424 01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,439 Speaker 1: let's spend some time together. I was talking about you 1425 01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:09,960 Speaker 1: a couple of times in the last month. It's people, 1426 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:16,320 Speaker 1: and here you are, Johnny huk H is just like yesterday, 1427 01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:20,519 Speaker 1: Johnny Off. Yeah, come check me out. Man. The guy 1428 01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:22,880 Speaker 1: with all the memories doesn't get to share him and 1429 01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:28,760 Speaker 1: that's horrible. But you know, life is not fair, and 1430 01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:32,000 Speaker 1: this is just yet another very grim and nasty reminder 1431 01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:36,760 Speaker 1: of that. Of that premise, here's Heimie Diaz on his 1432 01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:40,080 Speaker 1: last trip to see Tim. You went and saw him 1433 01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:43,440 Speaker 1: not not that long ago, right a Stow in September 1434 01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:48,479 Speaker 1: the last time. And what was that like? Well, he 1435 01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:52,400 Speaker 1: was in the facility near his home. He was when 1436 01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:57,280 Speaker 1: I uh, you know, he was watching television. Uh he 1437 01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:02,679 Speaker 1: was dressed land in bed, uh a little a blanket 1438 01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:05,160 Speaker 1: over him. He was to get chills. He was watching 1439 01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:11,240 Speaker 1: a college football game. I walked in and uh, the 1440 01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:14,000 Speaker 1: nurse that had brought me up to his room said, 1441 01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,839 Speaker 1: a friend of yours is here, and he didn't respond, 1442 01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:20,160 Speaker 1: and I thought, oh gosh, I'm too late. And then 1443 01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, about a minute later, he goes, hey, what 1444 01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:27,720 Speaker 1: are you doing here? Iimi, and he recognized me. It 1445 01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:31,120 Speaker 1: was odd, and I guess, you know, consciousness and recognition 1446 01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:36,400 Speaker 1: and you know, all the cognitive things that fly in 1447 01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:39,960 Speaker 1: and out with Alzheimer's are kind of random. So then 1448 01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,280 Speaker 1: we uh, I said, hey, man, great to see you. 1449 01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:46,800 Speaker 1: You know how you know, kept it light obviously, um. 1450 01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:50,880 Speaker 1: And even though you know, his short term memory was 1451 01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,000 Speaker 1: was poor and and he was kind of watching the 1452 01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:57,720 Speaker 1: game and this sort of you know, erratic way. We 1453 01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:01,400 Speaker 1: were talking about old days and those those conversations they 1454 01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:04,080 Speaker 1: weren't long ones, but they were coaching, you know, and 1455 01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,919 Speaker 1: you'd have a nice little you know, three or forward, 1456 01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:11,160 Speaker 1: uh retort to something, or he'd laugh if he remembered 1457 01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:13,559 Speaker 1: a name or if I mentioned a name or mentioned 1458 01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,960 Speaker 1: an old story or a punchline, so you know, it 1459 01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:19,519 Speaker 1: was it was nice just to connect, even though I 1460 01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:22,839 Speaker 1: knew I probably if I came back again, he wouldn't 1461 01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:28,320 Speaker 1: recognize him. So um, I stayed about forty five minutes 1462 01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:29,920 Speaker 1: and just you know, I just sat at the foot 1463 01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:36,160 Speaker 1: of his bed. Um it was kind of time to go. 1464 01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:39,519 Speaker 1: I could tell he was getting tired, and that, you know, 1465 01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:42,960 Speaker 1: I told him. I started talking about you know, the 1466 01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:45,360 Speaker 1: business a little bit and what a great career he'd had, 1467 01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:50,080 Speaker 1: and I already missed him. And uh, I always remembered 1468 01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:55,479 Speaker 1: that when I first got started writing about golf, I 1469 01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:58,320 Speaker 1: was always impressed by because we were you know, I 1470 01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:00,559 Speaker 1: wasn't making a lot, even though it's so right now, 1471 01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:03,280 Speaker 1: I was very very lucky to be there. It was 1472 01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:05,880 Speaker 1: still like a thousand bucks here or there was a 1473 01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:09,520 Speaker 1: big deal. And I started noticing in these tournament programs 1474 01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:12,320 Speaker 1: when I go to a tournament that this guy Tim 1475 01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:15,760 Speaker 1: Roseford always had a freelance story in there, and uh, 1476 01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:18,679 Speaker 1: and I knew it wasn't a staffer for the tournament, 1477 01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:20,240 Speaker 1: because it was at every tournament it was like five 1478 01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:22,800 Speaker 1: or six of them in a row. And he had 1479 01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,599 Speaker 1: been freelancing those things just out of industry and and 1480 01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:30,400 Speaker 1: his work ethic. And uh so I started asking about 1481 01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:32,439 Speaker 1: those and emulating them. And you know, I didn't do 1482 01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:34,120 Speaker 1: nearly as many as Sam, but I did a couple 1483 01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:38,080 Speaker 1: and and um I told him, I said, Tim, I 1484 01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:40,759 Speaker 1: followed you, Man. I followed you. I followed your work ethic, 1485 01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:45,559 Speaker 1: I followed your industry. I followed, uh, you know, the 1486 01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:48,560 Speaker 1: way that you just really made that that job of 1487 01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:52,080 Speaker 1: your life, or tried to at least, and or I 1488 01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:54,639 Speaker 1: tried to. And he goes, no, no, I followed you, 1489 01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:58,479 Speaker 1: and uh, I said, no, Tim, I followed you, and 1490 01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:01,160 Speaker 1: he goes, I followed you. And so it was this 1491 01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:04,040 Speaker 1: sort of emphatic thing that, you know, very kind of 1492 01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:09,519 Speaker 1: mutual admiration and and love really and so we both laughed. Uh, 1493 01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:13,760 Speaker 1: but you know, I just stayed. I put my hand 1494 01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:16,639 Speaker 1: on his put my hand on his on his ankle, 1495 01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:19,280 Speaker 1: and I told him I loved him and because I 1496 01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:20,880 Speaker 1: love you, Man, I love you, And it was sort 1497 01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:23,639 Speaker 1: of this you know, i'll see you again kind of voice, 1498 01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:31,519 Speaker 1: and and I left and yeah, you know, you know, 1499 01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:35,400 Speaker 1: we all you always hear about male toxicity and how 1500 01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:39,280 Speaker 1: we're unable to express emotion. And uh, I mean, I've 1501 01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:42,840 Speaker 1: always been kind of a softie anyway, but I might, 1502 01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:46,960 Speaker 1: I might, I might. I mean I'm not a tough guy. 1503 01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:50,920 Speaker 1: I don't mean that. I just meant, you know, sometimes 1504 01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:55,160 Speaker 1: you compartmentalize things away and and moments like that you 1505 01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:58,559 Speaker 1: realize that you're just a kid and and things touch 1506 01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:03,280 Speaker 1: you and it's good too. It's good to share that 1507 01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:05,360 Speaker 1: with another human that you've known a long time and 1508 01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:09,200 Speaker 1: you care about, uh, and just feel like, Okay, this 1509 01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:11,360 Speaker 1: is life and it ends. But you know, I felt 1510 01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:14,719 Speaker 1: like I closed the circle and as much as possible 1511 01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:17,960 Speaker 1: at least. But you know, it doesn't mean that it 1512 01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:21,400 Speaker 1: wasn't horribly sad, but it was at least something we're 1513 01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:24,360 Speaker 1: all going to experience at some point. And and I 1514 01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:27,240 Speaker 1: thought when I left him, you know, not not because 1515 01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:31,720 Speaker 1: of me, but I just thought, he's at peace, He's okay, 1516 01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:36,280 Speaker 1: this has not been emotionally, um, something that he hasn't 1517 01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:38,559 Speaker 1: been able to handle. Now. Of course I didn't see 1518 01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:40,920 Speaker 1: all the moments, but I just got the sense that 1519 01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:46,519 Speaker 1: he had a good handle on on everything, that he'd 1520 01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:49,080 Speaker 1: lived a great life, he had a great family. Yeah, 1521 01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:52,160 Speaker 1: it was gonna be too short, but he did his best, 1522 01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:56,920 Speaker 1: and UM, a lot of people loved him. And because 1523 01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:00,400 Speaker 1: you know when I signed in and that was like 1524 01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:06,400 Speaker 1: a Sunday morning, I believe, um in September, and it 1525 01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:09,240 Speaker 1: was that it was at I think I got in there. 1526 01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:13,480 Speaker 1: There are three names in front of me that day, 1527 01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:15,519 Speaker 1: and then the day before I turned the page back 1528 01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:18,519 Speaker 1: there had been like six names. So people were visiting 1529 01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:22,200 Speaker 1: Tim constantly, and you know, everybody was doing the best 1530 01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:25,080 Speaker 1: they could to show him. And I think he actually 1531 01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:28,439 Speaker 1: knew shifting gears. And as a celebration of his life 1532 01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:31,639 Speaker 1: and legacy, we're circling back to get more uplifting memories 1533 01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:36,120 Speaker 1: and reflections from friends, colleagues, and players, starting again with 1534 01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:42,599 Speaker 1: Jeff Russell modern day golf writers reporters. I mean he's 1535 01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:45,920 Speaker 1: on the Mount rushmant for me, I think he is. 1536 01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:47,960 Speaker 1: You know, I think he is. I think, I mean, 1537 01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:51,439 Speaker 1: I think you know modern you know you got Tim, 1538 01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:58,120 Speaker 1: you got him, me, you got Alan shipnuk Um. But Tim, Tim, 1539 01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:01,280 Speaker 1: you know, Tim was the first one to make that 1540 01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:07,960 Speaker 1: transition from from writing to television. And look, at the 1541 01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:14,439 Speaker 1: end of the day, television was was probably his best medium. Um, 1542 01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:18,200 Speaker 1: when you talk to You talked to the producers at 1543 01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:22,720 Speaker 1: the Golf Channel back in probably from two thousands and 1544 01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:26,599 Speaker 1: two on, and they talked about how they'd be doing 1545 01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:29,960 Speaker 1: a show and you know, something would fall through, or 1546 01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:32,400 Speaker 1: this would father, something would have, you know, or somebody 1547 01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:35,880 Speaker 1: was late showing up for a press conference and they'd 1548 01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:39,320 Speaker 1: have ten or twelve minutes and they would they didn't 1549 01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:41,320 Speaker 1: know what to do, and they would put they would 1550 01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:44,280 Speaker 1: put Tim up and just say, you know, kind of 1551 01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:47,120 Speaker 1: the TV version of empty your notebook. And he and 1552 01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:49,479 Speaker 1: he would, he would do it, and he would kill it. 1553 01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:54,280 Speaker 1: He was, you know, full of information, full of of nuggets, 1554 01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:59,840 Speaker 1: you know, and and it was and it really interesting TV. 1555 01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:02,040 Speaker 1: And he was you know, he was the first one 1556 01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:05,240 Speaker 1: in golf to do that. And there were you know, 1557 01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:11,160 Speaker 1: Adam Schefter and Tim Kirchin and Peter Gammon's and I'm 1558 01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:14,960 Speaker 1: thinking of all the experts and other sports, but but golf. 1559 01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:17,320 Speaker 1: You know, in golf, Tim was you know, Tim was 1560 01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:22,759 Speaker 1: that guy. And Um and a lot of really good 1561 01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:31,439 Speaker 1: golf writers couldn't make that transition, you know, weren't weren't Um. 1562 01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:36,040 Speaker 1: You know, look, TV's hard, it's not it's it's you know, 1563 01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:38,080 Speaker 1: it's hard to get up in front of a camera 1564 01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:42,520 Speaker 1: and and and be yourself and and and be entertaining 1565 01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:45,559 Speaker 1: and and you know, I think a lot of people 1566 01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:47,920 Speaker 1: think it's easy. It's not easy. It's hard. But Tim 1567 01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:52,040 Speaker 1: was Tim was was really good at it, and maybe 1568 01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:56,120 Speaker 1: better at it than then he was, you know, working 1569 01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:58,320 Speaker 1: in a media center, although he was good at that too. 1570 01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:01,559 Speaker 1: Here's more from Imi Daz. Jim's got his own spot. 1571 01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:05,439 Speaker 1: You know. Uh, I always measured myself from a different way, 1572 01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:07,840 Speaker 1: and I felt way short. And I mean there were 1573 01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:11,439 Speaker 1: guys and you know, friends to this day, you know 1574 01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:15,920 Speaker 1: who I know, you know, I just I did not 1575 01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:18,320 Speaker 1: have their ability of their talent, and and I'm good 1576 01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:19,840 Speaker 1: with that. I mean, I think we all just run 1577 01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:24,439 Speaker 1: our own race, you know. Um, And I've been I'm 1578 01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:28,080 Speaker 1: I'm I'm very satisfied with the race I ran. I 1579 01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:30,599 Speaker 1: could have run it better, but I'm just saying it 1580 01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:32,680 Speaker 1: was not going to approach the race a lot of guys, right, 1581 01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:38,320 Speaker 1: But but Tim had his own lane, you know. And uh, 1582 01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:40,519 Speaker 1: and you know you look back. I mean talking to 1583 01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:42,000 Speaker 1: Rick Riley, who was one of those guys who I 1584 01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:45,200 Speaker 1: would never be able to approach. He he you know, 1585 01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:50,160 Speaker 1: he used to call Tim trunky because the job at 1586 01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:54,599 Speaker 1: s I when Tim, when when Rick was doing a 1587 01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:57,680 Speaker 1: a major was for the other guys to go out 1588 01:36:57,720 --> 01:37:01,800 Speaker 1: and get stuff. And Tim was his you know, secret weapon. Nick. 1589 01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:04,240 Speaker 1: He was the guy that you know, he could really 1590 01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:06,960 Speaker 1: count on to get something from somebody who would be 1591 01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:10,880 Speaker 1: otherwise hard to get or in a difficult, difficult you 1592 01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:13,400 Speaker 1: know maybe moment where they had maybe blown it or 1593 01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:17,280 Speaker 1: whatever talking about player. I mean, And so he called 1594 01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:19,600 Speaker 1: him trunky because he said, look, I want you to 1595 01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:21,280 Speaker 1: be there when he opens the trunk in the morning 1596 01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:23,360 Speaker 1: in the parking lot and when he slams it at 1597 01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:28,439 Speaker 1: night and he leaves and and so that's what Tim did. 1598 01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:33,640 Speaker 1: But you know those files he gave the Rick, you know, 1599 01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:36,240 Speaker 1: we're just like for Hawk. You know, those were gold 1600 01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:40,640 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, nobody could do that better than Tim. 1601 01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:43,760 Speaker 1: More from Mark Mulvoy, I think he'd go down as 1602 01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:48,439 Speaker 1: as really perhaps the most intrepid reporter maybe the game 1603 01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:51,160 Speaker 1: has seen. It was that way both in print and 1604 01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:55,000 Speaker 1: on television. You know, I mean the uppiscatory rhetoric or 1605 01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:58,240 Speaker 1: rhetoric that I think pervades these broadcasts. They think I 1606 01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:00,439 Speaker 1: worry about right now and all of these but going on. 1607 01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:03,360 Speaker 1: Is my god, you never hear a discouraging word on 1608 01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:07,000 Speaker 1: any of these telecasts in any sports, you know, and 1609 01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:09,720 Speaker 1: the dot coms and all these major leagues. It's sort 1610 01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:12,559 Speaker 1: of like prov you know, state controlled media. It's really 1611 01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:15,879 Speaker 1: I always think I visited once in Muscow the offices 1612 01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:19,519 Speaker 1: that comes comes to Mulskaya Pravda. That's what when you're 1613 01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:22,679 Speaker 1: reading these various pro leagues, they think, say, oh my god, 1614 01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:26,000 Speaker 1: this is just you know, state controlled. And uh, Timmy 1615 01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:29,760 Speaker 1: was not controlled by anybody. Timmy was controlled by his instincts, 1616 01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:32,519 Speaker 1: and his instincts were those of a great, great, great reporter. 1617 01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:36,519 Speaker 1: And here's Craig Dulch. When you think about how he's 1618 01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:38,800 Speaker 1: been honored since this happened. You know, when the PJ 1619 01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:42,840 Speaker 1: of America made him the twelfth honorary lifetime member, the 1620 01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:45,400 Speaker 1: first journalist he was able to get the award from 1621 01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:48,599 Speaker 1: Jack for memorial. You know, Jim Nance presented him up 1622 01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:52,439 Speaker 1: at at the memorial h on the classic name the 1623 01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:56,480 Speaker 1: Media Room after him, they created the Tim Roseford Distinguished 1624 01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:59,720 Speaker 1: Writers Award. You know, all these things happened. You know, 1625 01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:03,040 Speaker 1: you're ste Rhode Island endowed a scholarship in his name. 1626 01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:06,559 Speaker 1: So there's always going to be a college student going 1627 01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:09,240 Speaker 1: to University of Rhode Island and Tim, there weren't a 1628 01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:12,719 Speaker 1: lot of college graduates in his family. He was among 1629 01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:15,360 Speaker 1: the first to really get serious about it. And to 1630 01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:18,280 Speaker 1: know that, you know, Tim has left something behind. At 1631 01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:21,920 Speaker 1: least he's had some time to kind of experience the 1632 01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:25,000 Speaker 1: love that people have for him. And I think that's 1633 01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:27,200 Speaker 1: the one thing that helps a little because I know, 1634 01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:29,760 Speaker 1: even though it can be, you know, not the same 1635 01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:32,880 Speaker 1: as if he was their full body and spirit, he 1636 01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:35,960 Speaker 1: knows that people love him. And I think that's helped 1637 01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:37,720 Speaker 1: him get through the last two or three years, and 1638 01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:39,840 Speaker 1: I know it's helped his family get through it as well. 1639 01:39:40,439 --> 01:39:43,599 Speaker 1: In June, Tim wasn't able to make it to Ohio 1640 01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:46,760 Speaker 1: to accept his award from Jack and Barbara Nicholas, so 1641 01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:49,880 Speaker 1: instead they made a video of Tim sitting with the Nicholases. 1642 01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:54,240 Speaker 1: Jim nance led to the video. Trust is an important thing, 1643 01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:56,880 Speaker 1: I always felt, Jack, and you know, you can't walk 1644 01:39:56,920 --> 01:39:59,320 Speaker 1: away from a great story, even if it was just hey, 1645 01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:02,559 Speaker 1: you play he worded, and so you could tell the 1646 01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:05,080 Speaker 1: whole story and still and and have and have a 1647 01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:09,320 Speaker 1: relationship with someone over the course of time, and you 1648 01:40:09,439 --> 01:40:14,800 Speaker 1: respect the guy his intelligence, his work ethic and where 1649 01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:17,080 Speaker 1: he went and what and what he did, and Tim 1650 01:40:17,240 --> 01:40:22,400 Speaker 1: rose Afford was that type of person still is. I'll 1651 01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:25,479 Speaker 1: never forget, sadly, Jack, the day that I called you 1652 01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:28,080 Speaker 1: to tell you what what what's going on with me? Medically? 1653 01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:32,040 Speaker 1: And when you talk about authenticity, Um, it couldn't have 1654 01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:35,280 Speaker 1: been more than than that day that we went through that. Jack. 1655 01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:37,880 Speaker 1: There's billions of people that love Jack, but you know, 1656 01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:40,479 Speaker 1: the way he handled the way he felt over that 1657 01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:44,400 Speaker 1: was obviously something that I don't think I'll ever forget. 1658 01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:48,200 Speaker 1: So thank you for everything starting from that. How bless 1659 01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:54,200 Speaker 1: would you Bob everything over all the time. Back to 1660 01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:57,280 Speaker 1: Matt Haggerty on the industry rally around Tim rose Afford, 1661 01:40:57,360 --> 01:41:00,600 Speaker 1: I've been so impressed with the golf world on this. 1662 01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:05,519 Speaker 1: I've been so impressed with the the people in this space, 1663 01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:08,080 Speaker 1: whether it's the U s g A or the p 1664 01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:14,839 Speaker 1: G A Tour or the PGA of America. Um, Jim Nance, 1665 01:41:17,479 --> 01:41:20,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's a great it's a great industry, 1666 01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:24,840 Speaker 1: it's a great sport. It's a great sport. I think 1667 01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,040 Speaker 1: it's part of the reason why we're so attracted to 1668 01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:29,080 Speaker 1: the sport, and it's a great sport. We really do. 1669 01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:32,960 Speaker 1: I think, I do think we look out for our own. 1670 01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:36,799 Speaker 1: We look after our own, you know, and and and 1671 01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:39,920 Speaker 1: and when it's somebody like Tim, when it's the Legend, 1672 01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:45,479 Speaker 1: when it's the Godfather, even more so big bear hugs 1673 01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:50,639 Speaker 1: all the way around, Timie Diez. Could you describe him 1674 01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:55,640 Speaker 1: in one word? Huh? I always think of warmth. I know, 1675 01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:57,839 Speaker 1: you know, I just think a heart. I know his effort, 1676 01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:03,360 Speaker 1: and but I think what was so endearing and what 1677 01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:07,880 Speaker 1: formed his relationships and the relationships became the basis for 1678 01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:13,479 Speaker 1: his work, was the the ability to connect with people 1679 01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:19,200 Speaker 1: and too really have a relationship, to really be friends, 1680 01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:25,200 Speaker 1: you know, to put aside um, you know, the compartmentalization 1681 01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:27,479 Speaker 1: that we all do and work and in journalism very 1682 01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:31,360 Speaker 1: often even ask you to do that. He had a 1683 01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:36,519 Speaker 1: gift for for being friends, being able to write about people, 1684 01:42:37,680 --> 01:42:43,040 Speaker 1: still being professional and sometimes you know, having to temporarily 1685 01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:46,960 Speaker 1: at least wound that friendship, but always healing it because 1686 01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:49,559 Speaker 1: because Tim was a healer. Tim, you know, you couldn't 1687 01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:51,920 Speaker 1: stay mad at him, and he could get mad, but 1688 01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:56,280 Speaker 1: he wouldn't even stay mad forever either. Um. It just 1689 01:42:56,320 --> 01:43:00,559 Speaker 1: there was just a big heart and UM, great sentiment, 1690 01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:04,679 Speaker 1: great sense of the right thing to do and and 1691 01:43:05,320 --> 01:43:08,080 Speaker 1: the right way to treat people, and decency and just 1692 01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:10,880 Speaker 1: those virtues, those human virtues. I think that's what I 1693 01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:14,479 Speaker 1: think of because um, that's why I loved him. UM. 1694 01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:16,320 Speaker 1: You know, we all work, we all try to do 1695 01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:19,200 Speaker 1: our best in the end, that's not what defines us 1696 01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:21,720 Speaker 1: as much as the kind of people we are. And 1697 01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:25,720 Speaker 1: Tim was a special person and that you know, it's 1698 01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:29,960 Speaker 1: reflected by how many friends he has, UM, how many 1699 01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:35,080 Speaker 1: will loved him, Molly Solomon. He always wanted to get 1700 01:43:35,120 --> 01:43:37,760 Speaker 1: better and be the best at what he did. But 1701 01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:41,400 Speaker 1: in a really UM I used the word earnest to 1702 01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:43,920 Speaker 1: describe him. And when I went in the possaurus and 1703 01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:46,680 Speaker 1: looked up um and said, you know, is that the 1704 01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:53,520 Speaker 1: best way to described him? And besides ernest came up diligent, heartfelt, impassioned, 1705 01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:59,479 Speaker 1: purpose felt and sincere. Tim Rose support Jeff Russell. I mean, 1706 01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:03,160 Speaker 1: Jen told you know, UM, I mean one word, you know, 1707 01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:09,880 Speaker 1: he's he's um. UM. You know the word I would 1708 01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:13,439 Speaker 1: I would say, you know, just just like indefatigable, like 1709 01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:18,519 Speaker 1: like you couldn't um. You know you couldn't. You couldn't 1710 01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:22,240 Speaker 1: make him work hard enough. You couldn't. You couldn't outwork him, 1711 01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:27,639 Speaker 1: you know he so but but but as just gentle 1712 01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:33,439 Speaker 1: sweet kind um you know, good too, you know, never 1713 01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:35,880 Speaker 1: I don't think he really ever big time to anyone, 1714 01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:38,559 Speaker 1: good too, you know, always good to you know, you 1715 01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:40,639 Speaker 1: know I told you the story of him being nice 1716 01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:43,000 Speaker 1: to me when I was twenty five. Eventually I was 1717 01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:48,800 Speaker 1: eventually I was five, and the boss, you know, and 1718 01:44:49,560 --> 01:44:52,880 Speaker 1: and he would he would tell me about some other 1719 01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:56,040 Speaker 1: young kid who was just starting out in the you know, 1720 01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:58,360 Speaker 1: some hey, you know you ought to pay attention to 1721 01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:00,240 Speaker 1: that is so and so golf writer that you know. 1722 01:45:00,479 --> 01:45:02,960 Speaker 1: And I'd be like, who, like who you know? And 1723 01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:05,320 Speaker 1: and he'd be like, hey, hey, you know, like, don't 1724 01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:08,760 Speaker 1: be you know, I'm trying to I'm trying to help 1725 01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:11,080 Speaker 1: you here. You know, you might need to hire that 1726 01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:14,519 Speaker 1: guy someday, you know, you might want to. Um, I 1727 01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:17,160 Speaker 1: mean he never stopped, you know, he never stopped doing that. 1728 01:45:17,680 --> 01:45:23,720 Speaker 1: Jerry Tardy, Well, everybody uses it. It's it's trust. He 1729 01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:28,519 Speaker 1: had everybody's cell number. Everybody called him back. Um, you 1730 01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:31,120 Speaker 1: knew he was going to give you a fair shake 1731 01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:35,240 Speaker 1: and to use that old Bob Jones line. When he 1732 01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:39,479 Speaker 1: got the unfair shake of all, he still met life 1733 01:45:39,479 --> 01:45:42,600 Speaker 1: with a smile on his face and a gratefulness in 1734 01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:46,280 Speaker 1: his heart. And that's why we love everybody did the 1735 01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:48,760 Speaker 1: people he covered, the people who rode alongside him, the 1736 01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:51,479 Speaker 1: people who managed to try to manage him. But he 1737 01:45:51,479 --> 01:45:54,600 Speaker 1: didn't need any managing. He he marked. He marched to 1738 01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:59,960 Speaker 1: his own DRUMA Craig Dulch loyal, you know, I mean, 1739 01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:02,840 Speaker 1: I can't begin to tell you, you know, what he's done. 1740 01:46:02,960 --> 01:46:04,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it'd be hard to walk into a media 1741 01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:07,760 Speaker 1: center these days and not find someone that Tim has 1742 01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:10,960 Speaker 1: really played a huge role in their lives, you know, 1743 01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:14,040 Speaker 1: whether it was just some advice, whether it was making 1744 01:46:14,040 --> 01:46:17,479 Speaker 1: a phone call for somebody, writing somebody up on a resume, 1745 01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, a nice reference letter. For me, it always 1746 01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:25,000 Speaker 1: goes back to my son Eric. Eric almost died of 1747 01:46:25,120 --> 01:46:28,759 Speaker 1: nsetholitis in two thousand five, and it was a really, 1748 01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:31,479 Speaker 1: as you can imagine, a heartbreaking event, not only to 1749 01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:34,120 Speaker 1: have this happen, to have your healthy fourteen year old 1750 01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:37,040 Speaker 1: son go to completely disabled. We didn't know if he 1751 01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:39,040 Speaker 1: was going to live. We had no idea what we're 1752 01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:41,439 Speaker 1: going to do for the money, and Tim just took 1753 01:46:41,439 --> 01:46:44,080 Speaker 1: it upon himself to plan a fundraiser of the week 1754 01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:47,280 Speaker 1: Behind the Classic in two thousand and six, And all 1755 01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:49,200 Speaker 1: he ever asked for me was just some names of 1756 01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:52,439 Speaker 1: friends and family that I would want invited to it. 1757 01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:55,519 Speaker 1: And that's all I really did. At the time, I 1758 01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:57,719 Speaker 1: was living up in Boston, My son was in rehab 1759 01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:00,400 Speaker 1: up there, trying to get better, and we can down 1760 01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:03,320 Speaker 1: to the Monday before Behind the Classic, and Tim had 1761 01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:05,760 Speaker 1: this thing all planned at Old Palm. He'd done to 1762 01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:09,600 Speaker 1: Raymond Floyd and Maria Floyd and they had everything was 1763 01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:12,960 Speaker 1: picked up and the amount of money we received that 1764 01:47:13,080 --> 01:47:16,080 Speaker 1: night was overwhelming. I mean it enabled us to to 1765 01:47:16,160 --> 01:47:20,000 Speaker 1: buy a wheelchair accessible van to do the accommodations we 1766 01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:22,720 Speaker 1: had to do to our house before our son could 1767 01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:25,280 Speaker 1: come home. Uh. You know, just how do you say 1768 01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:27,640 Speaker 1: thank you to somebody who did something like that? And 1769 01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:31,080 Speaker 1: you say thank you when people opened the door for you. Uh, 1770 01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:34,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's just beyond amazing what he did. He 1771 01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:38,000 Speaker 1: never asked for anything, you know, he wasn't you know, Okay, 1772 01:47:38,040 --> 01:47:40,760 Speaker 1: I did this for you. You know that scratch your 1773 01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:43,799 Speaker 1: back that stuff. That's just what Tim did. And obviously 1774 01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:46,400 Speaker 1: my situation is a little unique, but I would think 1775 01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:49,280 Speaker 1: you and everyone else out there can think of countless 1776 01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:52,160 Speaker 1: times that Tim has done things for you. You know, 1777 01:47:52,280 --> 01:47:55,120 Speaker 1: even when it came to coming on the Gulf Channel. 1778 01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:57,519 Speaker 1: We had a radio show every Sunday morning for eight 1779 01:47:57,600 --> 01:47:59,479 Speaker 1: nine years, and every once in a while, I'm like, 1780 01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:01,960 Speaker 1: I hate to do this, but I'm gonna ask him again. 1781 01:48:01,960 --> 01:48:05,200 Speaker 1: And Tim never said no. He was always willing to 1782 01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:08,519 Speaker 1: split to spend those ten fifteen minutes. You know. As 1783 01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:12,840 Speaker 1: as successful as Tim McCain, he never really lost his 1784 01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:15,760 Speaker 1: his presence as a down to earth individual and he 1785 01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:19,760 Speaker 1: cared about people. Phil Nicholson classes the way I would 1786 01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:23,519 Speaker 1: describe him because of the way he treated people, handled himself. 1787 01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:26,439 Speaker 1: Everything he did was with class, whether it was his family, 1788 01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:31,320 Speaker 1: his career, his friends. He uh, he just always handled 1789 01:48:31,400 --> 01:48:37,720 Speaker 1: himself with such dignity in class. John Hawkins dogged D 1790 01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:45,160 Speaker 1: g E D. And I mean that as somebody who's 1791 01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:52,479 Speaker 1: not dogged. Uh. Tim was the greatest partner you could 1792 01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:59,160 Speaker 1: ever have, at least I could. I mean just astounding them, haven't. Tim? 1793 01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:03,760 Speaker 1: Hoarding your story was like having rock call Welch is 1794 01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:09,840 Speaker 1: your waitress. It's like I can't do any better than that. 1795 01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:15,559 Speaker 1: Here's Damon Heck, a giant of golf journalism, someone who 1796 01:49:15,960 --> 01:49:19,040 Speaker 1: I read before I met, which was pretty cool to 1797 01:49:19,240 --> 01:49:21,600 Speaker 1: finally meet him. I mean, I read his Raising the 1798 01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:26,240 Speaker 1: bar on Tiger uh back in two thousand, kind of 1799 01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:29,879 Speaker 1: giving us an inside look to to the greatness of Tiger, 1800 01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:32,800 Speaker 1: and I'm reading this guy, I'm thinking, Man, this guy 1801 01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:34,760 Speaker 1: is someone who I want to be. This is a 1802 01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:38,679 Speaker 1: great writer, a great reporter. Uh. You could tell how 1803 01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:41,479 Speaker 1: tireless he was in his research. And then to finally 1804 01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:44,679 Speaker 1: meet him in the early two thousand's when I started 1805 01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:50,240 Speaker 1: covering golf for Newsday and to share press rooms with him, 1806 01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:55,759 Speaker 1: just so impressive, larger than life, intense, but a teddy 1807 01:49:55,800 --> 01:49:59,120 Speaker 1: bear at the same time, someone who could, you know, 1808 01:49:59,200 --> 01:50:04,280 Speaker 1: host a golf writer's dinner at Augusta National and make 1809 01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:07,000 Speaker 1: us laugh and not miss a beat. To someone who 1810 01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:11,679 Speaker 1: could ask Tiger or Jack or Arnie the toughest question 1811 01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:16,320 Speaker 1: and didn't get a great answer. Um. I loved working 1812 01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:20,080 Speaker 1: with him at Golf Channel. Someone who was so meticulous 1813 01:50:20,120 --> 01:50:24,679 Speaker 1: and insensitive to and for, someone who is a giant 1814 01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:28,200 Speaker 1: of our game and journalism, would sometimes have, you know, 1815 01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:32,720 Speaker 1: little fits of vulnerability and damon, how did that go? 1816 01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:35,080 Speaker 1: Did I do a good job? I'm like, man, I 1817 01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:38,440 Speaker 1: would say, Tim, you just beat Tim. Nobody has your Rolodex, 1818 01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:41,519 Speaker 1: nobody has your reach in the game. You know, no 1819 01:50:41,560 --> 01:50:43,559 Speaker 1: one else can say, you know, I spoke to Tiger, 1820 01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:48,120 Speaker 1: I spoke to Jack or find you know, Peter bald 1821 01:50:48,160 --> 01:50:51,559 Speaker 1: Naldi's childhood swing coach. Or I just talked to the 1822 01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:56,360 Speaker 1: head pro at Tyler Duncan's club, you know in Indiana. 1823 01:50:56,479 --> 01:51:00,280 Speaker 1: I mean, the guy just his reach was just breathtaking 1824 01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:03,640 Speaker 1: and so cool to grow up reading someone that s 1825 01:51:03,680 --> 01:51:06,120 Speaker 1: I and Golf Digest and read his books, and then 1826 01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:10,160 Speaker 1: to be able to share a morning meeting with Tim Roseford. 1827 01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:13,559 Speaker 1: I would walk by, you know, at his desking golf channel. 1828 01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:16,400 Speaker 1: I would just say, there's the legend, there's the legend 1829 01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:19,639 Speaker 1: that he used us whatever. Alright, alright, But I knew 1830 01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:22,840 Speaker 1: he liked it too at a certain level, because he 1831 01:51:22,840 --> 01:51:25,960 Speaker 1: he is a legend, a giant of golf journalism. I 1832 01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:30,479 Speaker 1: love I love Rosy Lovel, Matt Haggerdy. You know, I 1833 01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:33,800 Speaker 1: just think everybody trusted him that he was, that it 1834 01:51:33,960 --> 01:51:36,519 Speaker 1: was going to be fair like it might. It wasn't 1835 01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:39,720 Speaker 1: always gonna be what you didn't always it wasn't like 1836 01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:42,920 Speaker 1: whoever he was reporting on or whatever he was reporting about. 1837 01:51:43,240 --> 01:51:46,120 Speaker 1: There was obviously, you know, in certain circumstances. It wasn't 1838 01:51:46,120 --> 01:51:48,519 Speaker 1: going to make everybody happy. You know, it wasn't gonna 1839 01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:54,599 Speaker 1: make everybody happy, but it was gonna be fair. And 1840 01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:57,360 Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, that's I 1841 01:51:57,400 --> 01:52:00,840 Speaker 1: think that's what everybody wants. They want to be treated fairly, right, 1842 01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:04,840 Speaker 1: and Jim treated everybody fairly and run syrac. Tim and 1843 01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:07,160 Speaker 1: I are about the same age. In fact, he's younger 1844 01:52:07,160 --> 01:52:08,800 Speaker 1: than me. I think he's five years younger than me, 1845 01:52:09,200 --> 01:52:13,040 Speaker 1: and which when all this breakfest was like bone chilling 1846 01:52:13,120 --> 01:52:16,640 Speaker 1: for me. Uh so we were sort of of the 1847 01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:19,840 Speaker 1: same generation. But talk to somebody who's twenty years younger 1848 01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:22,000 Speaker 1: than him, and one of the things that they'll tell 1849 01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:24,680 Speaker 1: you is how generous he was with his time, how 1850 01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:27,759 Speaker 1: generous he was with his contacts. He would help people, 1851 01:52:28,479 --> 01:52:31,160 Speaker 1: he would he would give he would give young writers advice, 1852 01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:34,640 Speaker 1: he would share contacts with with the young writers to 1853 01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:38,400 Speaker 1: help them on a story. So there was not only 1854 01:52:38,439 --> 01:52:41,600 Speaker 1: an innate fairness in the man, an innate goodness in 1855 01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:45,679 Speaker 1: the man. Here's Gary Williams. He always did the right thing, Matt, 1856 01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:50,320 Speaker 1: because you know what, never burned one person. Nobody ever 1857 01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:53,760 Speaker 1: turned their back on him. And the lines of communication 1858 01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:57,960 Speaker 1: with tim and every interview subject or every important figure 1859 01:52:57,960 --> 01:53:01,200 Speaker 1: in the game of golf was always wide open. That 1860 01:53:01,360 --> 01:53:05,720 Speaker 1: never changed. It never changed. And and for somebody who 1861 01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:07,920 Speaker 1: loved the game of golf, God, I wish the game 1862 01:53:07,960 --> 01:53:13,600 Speaker 1: loved him a little bit more. Back I played in 1863 01:53:13,680 --> 01:53:17,080 Speaker 1: one member Guests with the man one member guest. He 1864 01:53:17,120 --> 01:53:19,639 Speaker 1: invites me to medalists to play in the member guest 1865 01:53:20,120 --> 01:53:27,160 Speaker 1: in and Jordan's playing Tigers, playing Keickan Bradley and Mater Shan, 1866 01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:32,160 Speaker 1: and he is so uptight. The practice round we play 1867 01:53:32,240 --> 01:53:35,360 Speaker 1: with Ken Kennerley, who's a dear life fog friend of mine, 1868 01:53:35,800 --> 01:53:39,200 Speaker 1: and his guests, and and on the second tea he 1869 01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:47,080 Speaker 1: starts with, I'm sorry, You're sorry. We played one. Oh, 1870 01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:55,439 Speaker 1: Davis saysna tim Uh became a golfer reporting on golf, 1871 01:53:56,640 --> 01:53:59,960 Speaker 1: and I must say he was a much better report 1872 01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:07,400 Speaker 1: than he is a golfer. That the truth. He's like 1873 01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:10,679 Speaker 1: a plus eight and reported, he's like an eighteen time 1874 01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:14,720 Speaker 1: major champion of reporting. But he's poor. Guys struggles on 1875 01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:16,600 Speaker 1: the under guard. I think he got as probably as 1876 01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:20,320 Speaker 1: low as about an eight handicap. I think is uh, well, 1877 01:54:20,360 --> 01:54:22,880 Speaker 1: he's so he's so competitive. But every time I say 1878 01:54:22,920 --> 01:54:25,200 Speaker 1: H'm going to hit a shot, I I feel like 1879 01:54:25,240 --> 01:54:26,880 Speaker 1: the Wizard of Oz. I want to go get the 1880 01:54:26,920 --> 01:54:35,520 Speaker 1: oil can. He's laughing right now too. I can tell 1881 01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:41,280 Speaker 1: you that more from Phil Nicholson, his legacy is how 1882 01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:46,880 Speaker 1: and the way he'll be remembered will be how he 1883 01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:52,480 Speaker 1: made you feel, because he would gather knowledge, gather information, presented, 1884 01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:55,440 Speaker 1: do his job and transcend into his business, be the 1885 01:54:55,480 --> 01:54:58,800 Speaker 1: best of what he did. But he would always make 1886 01:54:58,840 --> 01:55:01,760 Speaker 1: you feel good and positive about it. He was never 1887 01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:04,600 Speaker 1: trying to take unnecessary shots. He would always try to 1888 01:55:04,720 --> 01:55:07,760 Speaker 1: present facts in a very sensitive way. And I think 1889 01:55:08,640 --> 01:55:12,040 Speaker 1: that his legacy is going to be the way he 1890 01:55:12,120 --> 01:55:14,680 Speaker 1: made you feel when you are around. Did you ever 1891 01:55:14,720 --> 01:55:20,600 Speaker 1: see his golf swing? I have, and I've I've tried 1892 01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:27,400 Speaker 1: to suppress that memory. Of all the memories we have, 1893 01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:30,000 Speaker 1: not many of us are gonna try to remember his 1894 01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:37,920 Speaker 1: his eloquent golfing. I guess exactly. Tim always wore me 1895 01:55:38,040 --> 01:55:42,080 Speaker 1: out because we played each other once in a member 1896 01:55:42,120 --> 01:55:45,360 Speaker 1: member tournament at the Floridian and he he and his 1897 01:55:45,480 --> 01:55:48,680 Speaker 1: partner beat me and my partners. So I have never 1898 01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:51,720 Speaker 1: lived that down that I lost a match to Tim 1899 01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:54,200 Speaker 1: rose Afort. I mean, the probably the lowest point of 1900 01:55:54,280 --> 01:55:57,440 Speaker 1: my career, that I lost a match to Tim rose Aport. 1901 01:55:57,640 --> 01:55:59,600 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how he gets worse than that. 1902 01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:05,120 Speaker 1: Um he could not play, yeah he could, but he 1903 01:56:05,200 --> 01:56:08,840 Speaker 1: loved the game. And he's a dear friend. I miss him. 1904 01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:11,160 Speaker 1: I'm missing him and I want to wish him all 1905 01:56:11,160 --> 01:56:14,160 Speaker 1: the best because and he does he has want to 1906 01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:16,240 Speaker 1: know against me, and so that that will stick with 1907 01:56:16,320 --> 01:56:20,120 Speaker 1: me forever. Mark Moulvoy, thank you so much for asking 1908 01:56:20,160 --> 01:56:22,680 Speaker 1: me to do this to me. Was a treasure. I 1909 01:56:22,720 --> 01:56:24,800 Speaker 1: loved every all the moments we spent with him. Uh. 1910 01:56:25,440 --> 01:56:28,400 Speaker 1: We had a very heartfelt I said a very heartfelt 1911 01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:31,280 Speaker 1: goodbye last year. I thought, you know it was it 1912 01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:35,000 Speaker 1: was coming, and unfortunately we seem to be at that moment. 1913 01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:39,040 Speaker 1: God bless him. He's a great guy. He'll be always 1914 01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:41,160 Speaker 1: have fond memories of him and what he did for me, 1915 01:56:41,240 --> 01:56:44,080 Speaker 1: what he did for Sports Illustrated and what he obviously 1916 01:56:44,120 --> 01:56:48,080 Speaker 1: did for Golf, World Golf and Digest and also for television. 1917 01:56:48,120 --> 01:56:51,160 Speaker 1: I mean when's the last time somebody on television told 1918 01:56:51,200 --> 01:56:54,280 Speaker 1: you things about people that not even the people knew. 1919 01:56:54,680 --> 01:56:58,040 Speaker 1: Nobody does that anymore, reporting as a lost art again, 1920 01:56:58,280 --> 01:57:02,120 Speaker 1: Jerry Tardy. It really, in my mind was the nineties. 1921 01:57:02,240 --> 01:57:04,880 Speaker 1: It build up to it in the latter half of 1922 01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:09,760 Speaker 1: the eighties, but it was a golden age of journalism 1923 01:57:09,800 --> 01:57:13,720 Speaker 1: when you look back at the number of writers who 1924 01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:18,600 Speaker 1: were had come together and sat at our table, from 1925 01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:23,920 Speaker 1: you know, at the end of her Wind and Alistair Cook, 1926 01:57:24,720 --> 01:57:30,080 Speaker 1: um Ptword, Thomas Uh, certainly, Peter Debriner one of the 1927 01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:34,200 Speaker 1: great poets of the game, but Dan Jenkins joining us, 1928 01:57:34,280 --> 01:57:41,280 Speaker 1: Charlie Price, Tom Callahan, Uh, and then Dave Kindred, Peter Andrews, 1929 01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:46,080 Speaker 1: the start of of High me Diaz, and Tim rose Afford. 1930 01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:52,040 Speaker 1: Tim brought a different step than any of those others, Um, 1931 01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:55,000 Speaker 1: but he was right there at the top in terms 1932 01:57:55,320 --> 01:57:59,600 Speaker 1: of respect, and I think there was there was what 1933 01:57:59,640 --> 01:58:03,400 Speaker 1: you talked about, that that humility, that vulnerability that he 1934 01:58:03,520 --> 01:58:06,960 Speaker 1: had because he had been kicked around as a writer, 1935 01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:13,480 Speaker 1: that he brought preparation to the table like nobody else, 1936 01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:21,200 Speaker 1: and all those great voices would would quiet when Tim 1937 01:58:21,240 --> 01:58:25,560 Speaker 1: talked because he had the real stuff. Um they could 1938 01:58:25,560 --> 01:58:28,400 Speaker 1: take it and make it into poetry some of them 1939 01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:34,320 Speaker 1: um and they could make it funny and but but 1940 01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:44,080 Speaker 1: Tim was was such a believable humble guy that that 1941 01:58:44,240 --> 01:58:48,760 Speaker 1: just carried tremendous respect. Craig. I can't tell you how 1942 01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:52,000 Speaker 1: many times I'd walked into the PJ National entrance and 1943 01:58:52,200 --> 01:58:55,280 Speaker 1: go into a Honda cover of the day's tournament and 1944 01:58:55,320 --> 01:58:57,280 Speaker 1: we'd be headed to the media center. I'll be there 1945 01:58:57,320 --> 01:58:59,720 Speaker 1: with Tim, and I would never make it there with 1946 01:59:00,160 --> 01:59:03,640 Speaker 1: because after about halfway through the lobby, everyone's like, hey, 1947 01:59:03,720 --> 01:59:06,200 Speaker 1: Tim Rosie, you know, and I'm like looking, I'm like, 1948 01:59:06,320 --> 01:59:08,080 Speaker 1: how do you know all these people? How do you 1949 01:59:08,120 --> 01:59:10,400 Speaker 1: remember all these people? And he said something that was 1950 01:59:10,520 --> 01:59:12,960 Speaker 1: very I thought was very interesting. Well, he said, it's 1951 01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:15,280 Speaker 1: like a p J professional, you know, when you go 1952 01:59:15,360 --> 01:59:17,440 Speaker 1: to work in the morning and a member walks in 1953 01:59:17,480 --> 01:59:19,680 Speaker 1: the door at seven oh five in the morn and 1954 01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:22,360 Speaker 1: you better know who their name is. And I think 1955 01:59:22,400 --> 01:59:24,720 Speaker 1: that gets back to kind of what we've talked about. 1956 01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:27,240 Speaker 1: Tim is his work and like ethic. You know, he 1957 01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:30,280 Speaker 1: was a guy that stayed at some really you know, 1958 01:59:30,360 --> 01:59:32,920 Speaker 1: got to do some very special things in his life, 1959 01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:35,200 Speaker 1: but he was still a nine to five kind of 1960 01:59:35,240 --> 01:59:38,320 Speaker 1: guy who punched the clock every day, who worked as 1961 01:59:38,360 --> 01:59:41,240 Speaker 1: hard as he could, and who wanted to know your name. 1962 01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:43,000 Speaker 1: And I've had a lot of friends telling me that 1963 01:59:43,200 --> 01:59:46,040 Speaker 1: is I'm surprised him remembers my name. You know, I'm 1964 01:59:46,040 --> 01:59:48,520 Speaker 1: not a big shot, but that's the way Tim was. 1965 01:59:48,600 --> 01:59:51,520 Speaker 1: Tim remembered everybody's name. And because of that, I think 1966 01:59:51,560 --> 01:59:55,160 Speaker 1: we're always gonna always remember Tim rose Afford's name. And 1967 01:59:55,200 --> 01:59:57,560 Speaker 1: we ended all with Jeff Russell. You know, you'd get 1968 01:59:57,600 --> 01:59:58,920 Speaker 1: to the end of the year and you count up 1969 01:59:58,920 --> 02:00:01,560 Speaker 1: the byelines. Nobody had as many bylines as he did. 1970 02:00:01,680 --> 02:00:07,560 Speaker 1: And and um, you know, he he just was always, 1971 02:00:08,160 --> 02:00:11,920 Speaker 1: you know, always working, always always on it. And and 1972 02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:15,000 Speaker 1: I think doing you know, doing it because he was 1973 02:00:15,880 --> 02:00:18,880 Speaker 1: he was. It was a kind of a mixture of 1974 02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:21,560 Speaker 1: he loved doing it, and I think he he also 1975 02:00:21,680 --> 02:00:25,760 Speaker 1: knew that he'd come a long way from from what 1976 02:00:25,920 --> 02:00:27,440 Speaker 1: is you know, the life his father had, you know, 1977 02:00:27,480 --> 02:00:29,840 Speaker 1: and his his family had and that and you know 1978 02:00:31,000 --> 02:00:33,880 Speaker 1: in uh in New York. Yeah, I mean I think 1979 02:00:34,040 --> 02:00:36,160 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe, you know, I think he reached it. 1980 02:00:36,160 --> 02:00:37,760 Speaker 1: He was like, I can't believe I'm here in South 1981 02:00:37,800 --> 02:00:41,200 Speaker 1: Florida where it's you know, sunshine through in sixty five 1982 02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:45,240 Speaker 1: days a year, and I'm playing golf and and I'm 1983 02:00:45,320 --> 02:00:47,640 Speaker 1: just you know, I don't ever want it to end. 1984 02:00:47,880 --> 02:00:49,560 Speaker 1: I don't ever want it to end. It's just an 1985 02:00:49,560 --> 02:01:08,280 Speaker 1: amazing life. Put another log on the fire. Nobody hears 1986 02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:20,040 Speaker 1: getting tired, Settle down, and settle in. The story is 1987 02:01:20,240 --> 02:01:30,919 Speaker 1: about to begin, the circles starting to tickets, shape seats 1988 02:01:30,920 --> 02:01:39,400 Speaker 1: the field, and the tired sun plans and escape, and 1989 02:01:39,560 --> 02:01:46,440 Speaker 1: everybody's got some glory. Just wait, unto unphoned. Everybody's got 1990 02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:53,480 Speaker 1: some story. Just wait until be too. The place for 1991 02:01:53,640 --> 02:02:03,000 Speaker 1: that is here. All those smiles and loose teas, let 1992 02:02:03,080 --> 02:02:15,000 Speaker 1: them go. Put another log on the fig. Nobody hears 1993 02:02:15,000 --> 02:02:26,160 Speaker 1: getting tired, Settle down, and settle in. The story is 1994 02:02:26,280 --> 02:02:36,840 Speaker 1: about to begin. Tales were told of warring, going lover 1995 02:02:37,040 --> 02:02:46,000 Speaker 1: is lost in a lifetimes dreams ours so and maybe 1996 02:02:46,040 --> 02:02:49,360 Speaker 1: you should stop in the sun at the wisdom and 1997 02:02:49,600 --> 02:02:54,560 Speaker 1: the baby. You should pour your heart out. We ain't 1998 02:02:54,600 --> 02:03:05,080 Speaker 1: go in anywhere. I'd your mercy in the sound as 1999 02:03:05,120 --> 02:03:45,600 Speaker 1: the smoke gets pushed around in your soul. Put another 2000 02:03:45,760 --> 02:03:58,879 Speaker 1: log on fire. Nobody hears getting tired, Settle down and 2001 02:03:59,000 --> 02:04:09,640 Speaker 1: st m the story hears about to begin, the story 2002 02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:17,960 Speaker 1: hears about to begin, the story hears about to begin.