WEBVTT - To Make a Killing

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<v Speaker 1>In a twelve year old Asian boy with a bowl haircut,

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<v Speaker 1>his body hugged by a jumpsuit, walked into a boarding

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<v Speaker 1>school and burned Switzerland. He was, by all appearances, just

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<v Speaker 1>another spoiled, rich kid. He loved action movies and airplanes.

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<v Speaker 1>He was obsessed with basketball, especially the Chicago Bulls. Each

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<v Speaker 1>new academic year, he was the envy of the class,

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<v Speaker 1>strutting around the schoolyard and a pair of freshly unboxed

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<v Speaker 1>air Jordan's. According to classmates, the boy answered to the

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<v Speaker 1>name Pagun. But what they didn't know is that Swiss

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<v Speaker 1>authorities had a different name on file. According to the

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<v Speaker 1>kids Brazilian passport, his real name was Joseph Plague. But

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<v Speaker 1>here's the secret. Neither name was real. Joseph Poague and Pagun,

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<v Speaker 1>we're just aliases. The twelve year old's real name was

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<v Speaker 1>Kim Chang Un, and for the next four years, the

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Jordan's loving son of a tyrant would use these

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<v Speaker 1>phony personas to conceal his identity and gallivant around Europe undetected,

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<v Speaker 1>just like his older brother. But what's most fascinating about

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<v Speaker 1>Kim Dongan's fake Brazilian passport isn't the alias or the

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<v Speaker 1>country of origin. What's most intriguing is that the document

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<v Speaker 1>lists his father as a man called Ricardo Poague, who

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<v Speaker 1>was he Well, Ricardo Plague was a real person, at

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<v Speaker 1>least the fake name of a real person, but we

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<v Speaker 1>know that he was a top level North Korean official,

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<v Speaker 1>one who traveled to Europe regularly, often staying in luxury hotels.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Anna Fifield's book, Ricardo was quote charged with

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<v Speaker 1>buying buildings for the North Korean ruling class. And if

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<v Speaker 1>that's any indication, we have a good idea about the

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<v Speaker 1>man's real identity. We don't know for sure her Ricardo

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<v Speaker 1>Plague was um, but there has been suggested that Jang

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<v Speaker 1>Song Tech was that person. Chang's Hung Tech, the uncle

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<v Speaker 1>of both Kim jongan and Kim Chong nam, widely considered

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most influential people in the regime. Juan

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<v Speaker 1>Song Tech's role in the regime was to go out

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<v Speaker 1>into the world. He was very mercurial, gregarious character h

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<v Speaker 1>and he was in charge of a lot of economic

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<v Speaker 1>liaison with the outside world, mostly with China, but he

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<v Speaker 1>also traveled quite a lot in Europe. In the nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>Chang Song tech was one of the most powerful men

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<v Speaker 1>in North Korea. Decades earlier, he had married Kim Jong

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<v Speaker 1>il sister and became a close confidante to the dear leader.

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<v Speaker 1>He was always on the move, traveling the world undercover,

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<v Speaker 1>securing deals to help fund the regime. He was so

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<v Speaker 1>powerful that, as you may remember, some pundits called him

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<v Speaker 1>quote the Kim jong Il who goes abroad. It's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to overstate how close Kim Jong Il and Chang Song

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<v Speaker 1>pech were. He acted as a father figure to the

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Leader's children, change even personally held auditions for the

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<v Speaker 1>women in Kim Jong Il's harem. And during the two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand's some North Korea watchers speculated that Chang could be

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<v Speaker 1>chosen to lead the nation. Of course, that honor would

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<v Speaker 1>go to Tongues or should we say Ricardo Poague's fake

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<v Speaker 1>Brazilian son. But that decision didn't nooter Uncle Chan's power,

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<v Speaker 1>because when Kim Jong n took over in twenty eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>it was Chang who helped shepherd his nephew through North

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<v Speaker 1>Korea's bureaucracy. It was Chang who helped him build relationships

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<v Speaker 1>with the Polite Bureau. It was Chang who built apartments

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<v Speaker 1>and resorts to glorify the new ruler, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>Chang who served as Kim Jongan's closest advisor. Chang Song

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<v Speaker 1>tech essentially functioned as Kim Jongan's chief of staff. The

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<v Speaker 1>two were like father and son, like Ricardo and Joseph Plague.

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<v Speaker 1>But Uncle Tong harbored a secret, one that linked him

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<v Speaker 1>to King Chong Nam, and one that would reportedly soon

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<v Speaker 1>have him staring down the barrel of an anti aircraft gun.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm eating lee and in this episode, dirty money, risky reform,

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<v Speaker 1>and failed coups inside the money making schemes that may

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<v Speaker 1>have had several members of the Kim dynasty to gamble

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<v Speaker 1>with their lives. There are also plenty of suggestions that

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<v Speaker 1>he was still in cohots with the regime. North Korean

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<v Speaker 1>diplomat stationed abroad have really behaved like a criminal mob

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<v Speaker 1>and you could see Jong Song text saying, why am

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<v Speaker 1>I going to turn over my life's work to my

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<v Speaker 1>snot nose twentysomething nephew, This is big brother. When the

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese journalist Yoji Komi first reported on Kim Jong Nam's

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<v Speaker 1>criticisms of the regime. The DPRK responded with fury, sending

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<v Speaker 1>the prince into a brief hiding or, as Kim Jong

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<v Speaker 1>Nam told Comey, I just have to be careful. But

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<v Speaker 1>things eventually cooled over. Kim Jong Il was running the country.

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<v Speaker 1>He still loved his son, so the risks of needling

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<v Speaker 1>the regime were relatively low. But things were different when

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<v Speaker 1>Comey published his book. Kim Jong Il was dead and

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<v Speaker 1>Kim Jong Un was now in charge, and nobody knew

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<v Speaker 1>how he'd react to his brother's inflammatory comments. It didn't

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<v Speaker 1>help that Kim Jong nam had suggested that North Korea

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<v Speaker 1>should liberalize its economy and claim that the best hope

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<v Speaker 1>for reform was not his little brother but Uncle Tong.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Madden explains, probably Jong probably had different ideas as

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<v Speaker 1>to what North Korea's economy should be doing. In a

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<v Speaker 1>North Korean context, he was most likely a reformer. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>Uncle Chang had a proven track record of nudging the

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<v Speaker 1>country in new directions. Evidence of are some evidence that

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<v Speaker 1>there were certain relaxations of social policies in North Korea

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<v Speaker 1>under Joan Song text leadership of the Internal Security Apparatus,

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<v Speaker 1>A toleration of religious activities, both Christianity and Shamanism. And

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<v Speaker 1>there was a certain degree of clemency and pardon given

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<v Speaker 1>to people who fled illegally into China to seek work

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<v Speaker 1>or to seek economic relief, for to seek food. Uncle

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<v Speaker 1>Chang's influence was very real. A little more than a

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<v Speaker 1>decade earlier, change may have nudged Kim Jong il toward reform.

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<v Speaker 1>The Supreme Leader had adopted a new constitution, one that

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<v Speaker 1>embraced quote prime costs, prices and profits. Profits. Now, that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't very communist. Neither was a new constitutional article calling

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<v Speaker 1>for quote enterprises with corporations or individuals of foreign countries.

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<v Speaker 1>The foreign country being Uncle Tong's friend China. Jong was

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<v Speaker 1>very much aligned with China, whereby Chinese investment money would

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<v Speaker 1>come into North Korean economic sites. Years later, can even

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<v Speaker 1>pushed to create multiple economic zones along the border, miniature

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<v Speaker 1>capitalist fifdoms that functioned as incubators for innovation. Kim Jongan

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<v Speaker 1>actually embraced these ideas. The country created more than a

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<v Speaker 1>dozen of them. On that here's Jenny Town of the

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<v Speaker 1>Simpsons Center. Kim Jongan has really tried to put himself

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<v Speaker 1>out as trying to usher in an era of economic

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<v Speaker 1>prosperity and not just survival. There was a real emphasis

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<v Speaker 1>on these special economic zones. North Korea was willing to

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<v Speaker 1>do a lot of interesting things um and created you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the legal space for these zones to develop. Kim jong

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<v Speaker 1>Un also allowed the country's private black markets to blossom.

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<v Speaker 1>Since then, this black market economy has grown into a

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<v Speaker 1>legitimate proct this with many towns hosting government approved marketplaces.

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of the actual market activity in the economy itself, um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's been rising economic activity and it's under the kimjong

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<v Speaker 1>on era. Today there are private grocers, private restaurants, private

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<v Speaker 1>travel companies, and even private taxis all competing for customers.

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<v Speaker 1>By at least of North Korea's population was running or

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<v Speaker 1>working for some sort of private enterprise. And experts agree

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<v Speaker 1>the standard of living has increased. There has been a

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<v Speaker 1>real rise in accumulated wealth per person. Then there's been

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<v Speaker 1>some you know, medium size to larger size businesses that

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<v Speaker 1>have flourished in the past few years. What you've also

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<v Speaker 1>seen is a real loosening of control over like the

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<v Speaker 1>state owned enterprises. This of course is not the Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>style reform. Uncle Chang and Kim jong Nam advocated for.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's something It's almost as if the two men

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<v Speaker 1>were given the freedom to whisper into Kim jong UN's ear.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps Yoji Komi's book full of Kim jong Nam's proddings

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<v Speaker 1>and the aged wisdom of Uncle Chang actually made an

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<v Speaker 1>impression on the young dictator. That's one interpretation. The other

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<v Speaker 1>simply times are tough in North Korea, but by allowing

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<v Speaker 1>these markets to exist, Kim jong Un has marginally boosted

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<v Speaker 1>the standard of living and boosted his own popularity. The

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<v Speaker 1>decision was ultimately self serving. Besides, there's an economic benefit

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<v Speaker 1>to letting private enterprises operate under the surface. The state

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<v Speaker 1>can devote fewer funds to social institutions and spend more

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<v Speaker 1>on its real priorities like nuclear weapons. And since the

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<v Speaker 1>rise of the private economy, the regime has been pouring

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<v Speaker 1>more resources into money making schemes and lessen to its people.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's where the fates of Kim Jong Nam and

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<v Speaker 1>Uncle Tang Song tech become tangled and messy. Because Kim

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<v Speaker 1>jong Nam's death it might have nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 1>the successorship, It might have nothing to do with dueling

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<v Speaker 1>families or deceitful stepmothers. Their deaths might have everything to

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<v Speaker 1>do with money. There are lots of theories as to

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<v Speaker 1>why Kim jong nam was assassinated. His Peck two blood

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<v Speaker 1>was a threat to Kim Jong NaN's power. He had

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<v Speaker 1>argued for warm and opening up. He publicly criticized and

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<v Speaker 1>embarrassed the regime by speaking to journalists. But there's another theory,

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<v Speaker 1>and to understand it you have to know a little

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<v Speaker 1>about how North Korea makes money. The country has a

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<v Speaker 1>diverse portfolio. Each year, it sends tens of thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>migrant laborers, construction workers, loggers, farmers two countries like Kuwait, Botswana,

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<v Speaker 1>and even Poland. These indentured servants send the majority of

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<v Speaker 1>their paychecks back to the regime. The country also boasts

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<v Speaker 1>a small manufacturing sector. In the seventies and eighties, North

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<v Speaker 1>Korea was one of the biggest makers and exporters of

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<v Speaker 1>pachinko gambling machines in Asia. They sold many of these

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<v Speaker 1>popular systems to the yakuza, But selling gambling games to

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<v Speaker 1>an organized crime syndicate is relatively above board compared to

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<v Speaker 1>their other dirty money dealings. Deep inside the concrete bunkers

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<v Speaker 1>of Kung young. A secret government bureau called Room thirty

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<v Speaker 1>nine manages hundreds of illicit money making schemes, from human

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<v Speaker 1>trafficking to money laundering to rhinoceros horns smuggling. I would

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<v Speaker 1>say the North Korean leaders are very good at weaponizing

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<v Speaker 1>their own weirdness. That again is Dr Sun Un Lee

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<v Speaker 1>of Tufts University. They do these strange things, the state

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<v Speaker 1>sponsoring illegal activities, not only weapons proliferation, but the production

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<v Speaker 1>of fake famous brand cigarettes like Marlborough and other brands.

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<v Speaker 1>The North Korean regime is a king among counterfeiters, cigarettes, handbags, sneakers, watches,

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<v Speaker 1>you name it, they make it. And in the late

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<v Speaker 1>nineties and early two thousands they were the world's leader

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<v Speaker 1>at pumping out convincingly real hundred dollar bills called super

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<v Speaker 1>dollars and matt help them pedal drugs, lots of them.

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<v Speaker 1>They sell drugs. This is the state, not just criminal

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<v Speaker 1>gangs inside North Korea, but the state sponsoring all these

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<v Speaker 1>illicit activities. North Korea ships heroin to places like Australia

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<v Speaker 1>and smuggles counterfeit prescription drugs to Bulgaria. It supplies of

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<v Speaker 1>Japan's math amphetamine with some high quality crystal meth landing

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<v Speaker 1>in the US. One of North Korea's most ingenious money

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<v Speaker 1>making methods, however, revolves around a vast network of diplomats

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<v Speaker 1>and international residents, people like Kim Jong nam and Chang

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<v Speaker 1>Zong Pec. North Korean diplomat stationed abroad have really behaved

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<v Speaker 1>like an official criminal mob under the guise of diplomatic immunity,

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<v Speaker 1>engaging in criminal activities for profit. That's because North Korea's

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<v Speaker 1>diplomats and foreign elites are responsible for earning money for

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<v Speaker 1>the regime, often using diplomatic immunity as a cover. Here

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<v Speaker 1>again is Michael Madden, originally North Korean. Originally North Korea

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<v Speaker 1>did a lot of these transactions through their embassy, but

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<v Speaker 1>the original idea in four was to sell drugs and gold.

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<v Speaker 1>There's very strict controls about selling gold, and the way

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid that was through the diplomatic black bag, which

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<v Speaker 1>is to say, diplomats have immunity, and the diplomats luggage

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<v Speaker 1>and briefcases cannot be inspected by customs officials. So North

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<v Speaker 1>Korea decided to sell gold and brought opium to be

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<v Speaker 1>processed in and the man who had that bright idea

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<v Speaker 1>to use the diplomatic black bag was a young North

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<v Speaker 1>Korean official named John Song Tech. Since then, these money

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<v Speaker 1>making techniques have only gotten more sophisticated. The leadership like,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys go in a business. The leaders say, you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>go into business for yourselves. You get your own export

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<v Speaker 1>import network, on your own book, and as long as

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<v Speaker 1>you just turned the money over to me, then we

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<v Speaker 1>won't have a problem. This is a little bit like

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<v Speaker 1>the mafia, where they have to kick up the money

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<v Speaker 1>for the regime. And that maybe what ultimately got Kim

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<v Speaker 1>jong Nam in trouble because as times got tight and

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<v Speaker 1>quotas got harder to hit, North Korean elites may have

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<v Speaker 1>started eyeing each other's money ventures and there was a competition.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a competition, almost a feeding frenzy among North

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<v Speaker 1>Korean elites trying to earn foreign currency because it ingratiates

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<v Speaker 1>you to the leader. For North Korean elites, there was

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<v Speaker 1>an arms race to make money. And if Kim jong

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<v Speaker 1>nam had one advantage above the rest, it's that he

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<v Speaker 1>lived in a place where money, clean and dirty, was

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<v Speaker 1>easy to make and even easier to hide. Macau. In

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand four, American law enforcement agencies discovered that Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>gangs were smuggling North Korean made counterfeits, fake currency, fake cigarettes,

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<v Speaker 1>and even fake viagra into the port of Newark, New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>What followed is a masterclass and espionage. Two American spies,

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<v Speaker 1>undercover as an engaged couple, infiltrated the criminal network. They

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<v Speaker 1>began helping the group's transport containers of counterfeit goods passed

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<v Speaker 1>you as customs, such as narcotics, and even surface to

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<v Speaker 1>air missiles. After winning the smugglers trust, the love birds

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<v Speaker 1>invited them to a fake wedding on a yacht off

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<v Speaker 1>the coast of Atlantic City. The criminals came to America

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<v Speaker 1>and stepped inside limousines that, according to the wedding invitation,

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<v Speaker 1>would take them to the ceremony. Inside the limousines tuxedo

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<v Speaker 1>clad FBI agents. The entire operation led to the indictment

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<v Speaker 1>of eighties seven suspects, But the biggest surprise came when

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<v Speaker 1>secret agents followed the money. It led straight to the

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<v Speaker 1>Shining city on the Pearl River Delta, Macau. Within a year,

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<v Speaker 1>investigators had discovered that nearly every bank in Macau was

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<v Speaker 1>laundering super dollars for the North Korean regime. Big banks,

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<v Speaker 1>little banks. It didn't matter. Almost all were involved. Even

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<v Speaker 1>the local branch of the Bank of China, the fifth

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<v Speaker 1>largest bank on the planet, was allegedly laundering counterfeit money.

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<v Speaker 1>When it came time to slap Macau's banks with penalties,

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<v Speaker 1>the Ues Department of Justice ultimately decided to leave the

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<v Speaker 1>bigger institutions like the Bank of China alone, presumably to

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<v Speaker 1>avoid triggering a global economic catastrophe. Instead, it targeted one small,

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<v Speaker 1>family owned institution called Banko Delta Asia. Sanctions reigned down

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<v Speaker 1>on the tiny bank. Suddenly, the institution could no longer

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<v Speaker 1>deal in US currency, essentially locking it out of the

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<v Speaker 1>global economy. The bank froze all of its accounts linked

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<v Speaker 1>to North Korea out of fear of being next. So

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<v Speaker 1>did every other bank in Macau. According to congressional testimony,

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<v Speaker 1>the freeze worked, North Korea's production lines ground to a halt.

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<v Speaker 1>Even the famously dodgy government of Macau instituted a ream

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<v Speaker 1>of new money laundering laws, forcing North Korea's criminal elements

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<v Speaker 1>to find new ways to bank their cash. By this point,

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<v Speaker 1>Kim Jong Nam had been living in Macau for at

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<v Speaker 1>least five years. No evidence, however, has ever tied him

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<v Speaker 1>to the laundering scheme. I don't know whether he was

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<v Speaker 1>involved in the Banko Delta Asia situation, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons for both of these things, for Kim jong

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<v Speaker 1>Nam being there and for Banko Delta Asia being a

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<v Speaker 1>conduit for North Korea or risks on the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>Macau was a pretty opaque place. It's difficult, however, to

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<v Speaker 1>believe that the son of North Korea's ruler, once the

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<v Speaker 1>assumed heir to the whole regime, would be unaware what

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<v Speaker 1>his dad was doing at his neighborhood bank. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>reports suggest that Kim jong Nam had access to a

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<v Speaker 1>substantial cash of counterfeit super dollars, and shortly after the

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<v Speaker 1>Bank of Delta Asia scandal, it appears that Kim jong

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<v Speaker 1>nam began searching for novel ways to make and hide

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<v Speaker 1>large sums of money, and in the process he might

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<v Speaker 1>have helped make North Korea one of the most dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>and powerful countries on the planet. In the early two thousands,

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<v Speaker 1>when Kim jong Nam was comfortably settled in Macau, North

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<v Speaker 1>Korea began to pivot from physical counterfeiting and smuggling to cybercrime. This,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, is one of the great ironies of North Korea,

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<v Speaker 1>few citizens there have access to a computer. Those who

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<v Speaker 1>do are heavily surveiled with screenshots taken of their activity

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<v Speaker 1>every time in app is opened. Instead of the Internet,

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<v Speaker 1>most only have access to an intranet network called Kwangmyong

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<v Speaker 1>meaning bright Light, which gives access to up to five

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<v Speaker 1>thousand state approved websites. Only the elite have access to

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<v Speaker 1>the open Internet. And yet, despite this technological repression, North

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<v Speaker 1>Korea is home to some of the most obscenely talented

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<v Speaker 1>computer technicians on the planet. More than seven thousand North

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<v Speaker 1>Koreans worked in the country cyber army, and they start early.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, North Korean hackers are North Korean hackers are

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<v Speaker 1>recruited at about ten years old, so you get a

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<v Speaker 1>young person that's really good at computer systems, especially computer coding.

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<v Speaker 1>North Korea finds them when they're in late elementary school.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where they find their cyber warriors. North Korea does

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<v Speaker 1>that with gymnasts as well, and figure skaters and piano players.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not a great difference in their respective systems. You

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<v Speaker 1>have an aptitude for a certain subject, that's basically what

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to do for the rest of your life. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>according to the journalists Ed Caesar of the New Yorker,

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<v Speaker 1>students from Kimilsung University and the Kim Check University the

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<v Speaker 1>technology often quote outperform American and Chinese colleges in the

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<v Speaker 1>international collegiate programming contests. Year after year, North Korean students

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<v Speaker 1>compete at the highest levels at the International Mathematical Olympiad.

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<v Speaker 1>Here again is Jenny Town. North Korea's cyber capabilities have

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<v Speaker 1>really grown over the years um and grown to be

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<v Speaker 1>very adept and very sophisticated. The types of cyber crimes

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<v Speaker 1>that we've seen have been pretty elaborate. UM. We've even

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<v Speaker 1>seen in their intelligence gathering side, a real growth in

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<v Speaker 1>the sophistication of how they try to do different like

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<v Speaker 1>phishing campaigns. So it is a real and a formidable

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<v Speaker 1>force and a real growing part of North Korea's economic strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>Under names like the Beagle Boys, the Lazarus Group, and

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<v Speaker 1>New Romantic, North Korea's Enemy Collapse Sabotage Bureau YEP that's

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<v Speaker 1>its name, have infected computers in more than a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty countries, where they've robbed banks, held organizations for

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<v Speaker 1>ransom and hacked a t MS. North Korea's computer wizards

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<v Speaker 1>have digitally laundered money in the Philippines and have crypto

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<v Speaker 1>jack that has stolen more than one point seven five

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars in cryptocurrency. They've even breached the servers of

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<v Speaker 1>the South Korean Army, obtaining the military plans of their

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<v Speaker 1>neighboring enemy. This is Kim jong Nam's legacy in North

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<v Speaker 1>Korea and for that matter, the world. Na If we

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<v Speaker 1>go and track Kim jong Nam at the Korean Computer

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<v Speaker 1>Center from around they're importing computers into the country. They're

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<v Speaker 1>importing computers into North Korean schools. Those are the tools

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<v Speaker 1>they eventually was for recruiting hackers. Kim jong Nam is

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<v Speaker 1>essentially responsible for a lot of the computer hardware that

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<v Speaker 1>the cyber warriors trained on in the nineties and the

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<v Speaker 1>early two thousand's. Kim Jong Nam planted the seeds for

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<v Speaker 1>North Korea's vast and powerful network of hackers, and not

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<v Speaker 1>only that, he might have been actively supporting these activities

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<v Speaker 1>from his home in Macau. Shortly after the Banko Delta fiasco,

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<v Speaker 1>Kim jong Nam visited the Shangri La Hotel in Bangkok

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<v Speaker 1>and met with an expert in Internet security. Chong Nam

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<v Speaker 1>used a false name, introducing himself as Johnny Kim, and

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<v Speaker 1>explained that he was running a business and he needed

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<v Speaker 1>an I T specialist who could protect his servers. Unaware

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<v Speaker 1>of Johnny Kim's real identity and unsure of the nature

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<v Speaker 1>of his work, the Internet expert agreed to take the job.

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<v Speaker 1>The same man who would anonymously discuss these details with

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<v Speaker 1>Anna Fifield told her that something was fishy about the

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<v Speaker 1>man called Johnny Kim. He described going around places in

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<v Speaker 1>Southeast Asia together with Kim Jong Nam and just talked

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<v Speaker 1>about how security conscious he was. He always walked down

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<v Speaker 1>back alleys and places where he knew that there wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be UH security cameras. He was always on the lookout

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<v Speaker 1>for Japanese people, in particular because Japanese journalists had been

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<v Speaker 1>so aggressive or active in trying to track him down

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<v Speaker 1>and talk to him. So he was someone who very

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<v Speaker 1>much had his wits about him. Even as a manager,

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<v Speaker 1>Kim Jong Nam was secretive. The Internet expert was paid

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<v Speaker 1>in one dollar bills later revealed to be counterfeit super dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>The man was paired with two cyber specialists, both of

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<v Speaker 1>them apparently North Korean's. Eventually, the Internet expert learned that

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<v Speaker 1>kim so called business was actually dozens upon dozens of

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<v Speaker 1>gambling websites. Online gambling is an easy way to launder money.

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<v Speaker 1>It's virtual, there's high cash flow coming from across the globe,

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<v Speaker 1>and there are significant profit margins by running not just one,

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<v Speaker 1>but dozens of gambling sites. It's believed that Kim jong

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<v Speaker 1>Nam could spread illegal and counterfeit funds around, diluting suspicious activity,

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<v Speaker 1>and this suggests a tantalizing theory. When North Korea could

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<v Speaker 1>no longer launder physical dollars in Macau's bank, did it

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<v Speaker 1>find a work around by embracing the murky world of

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<v Speaker 1>internet gambling? And was Kim jong Nam the mastermind behind it?

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<v Speaker 1>And more to the point, if he was making money

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<v Speaker 1>this way, was he keeping it for himself or sending

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<v Speaker 1>it back to the regime. There are also plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>suggestions that he was still in cohots with the regime,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it was sending money back, you know, raising money

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<v Speaker 1>for the regime or for his uncle Down Song Tech,

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<v Speaker 1>who was he was very close to. Were Chang Song

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<v Speaker 1>Tech and Kim Jong Nam working together to launder money

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<v Speaker 1>was Kim jong Nam sent to Macau not to satisfy

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<v Speaker 1>his capitalist playboy lifestyle, but because it was a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of place where he could exploit capitalism. This was a

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<v Speaker 1>place where he was able to do a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>his business, including potentially running computing or tech businesses for

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<v Speaker 1>the North Korean regime. They've been suggestions over the years

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<v Speaker 1>that he was running the Korean Computer Center and involved

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of cyber activities, either on behalf of

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<v Speaker 1>the North Korean regime or on on his own behalf.

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<v Speaker 1>There we don't have solid answers to these questions. Kim

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<v Speaker 1>jong Nam might have had access to millions of dollars

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<v Speaker 1>at a time, and other North Korean elites were desperate

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<v Speaker 1>to make money for the regime, And as one of

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<v Speaker 1>our sources who agreed to speak on background suggested, there's

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<v Speaker 1>another layer to this tantalizing theory. Kim jong Nam's online

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<v Speaker 1>businesses were much more than just fronts to make money.

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<v Speaker 1>They were also backdoors to order and procure equipment for

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<v Speaker 1>the regime. That is, when North Korea could an import

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<v Speaker 1>and item because of sanctions, Kim Jong Nam, from the

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<v Speaker 1>safety of Southern China could use his online businesses to

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<v Speaker 1>procure it for them, and according to our source, he

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<v Speaker 1>used that loophole to buy gadgets and tech that could

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<v Speaker 1>be used to fuel North Korea's cyber warfare division. Then

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<v Speaker 1>Kim jong Nam was not living a life of exile

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<v Speaker 1>in Macao. He was actively helping build up one of

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<v Speaker 1>the regime's most notorious and now dangerous divisions. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>Kim jong Nam had power, and that might have stoked

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<v Speaker 1>the ire of other North Korean elites who were not

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<v Speaker 1>only jealous of the connections he had, but also struggling

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<v Speaker 1>to make their payments to the regime. They probably wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to get their hands on his secret recipe, but from

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<v Speaker 1>his capitalist perch and Macau, Kim jong Nam saw no

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<v Speaker 1>reason to share it, so maybe they wanted to take

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<v Speaker 1>it from him. We had to learn more about this theory.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it possible that Kim jong Nam's death was in

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<v Speaker 1>fact sparked not by Kim Jong un but by jealous

0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:01.320
<v Speaker 1>North Korean elites desperate to get their hands on his

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<v Speaker 1>money making software. The theory does make some sense. After all,

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<v Speaker 1>there were at least two attempts on Kim jong Nam's

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<v Speaker 1>life in the years prior long before Kim jong un

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<v Speaker 1>held any power. It's extremely unlikely his father, when he

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<v Speaker 1>was in control, had ordered these hits. So who did

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<v Speaker 1>Was someone trying to clear the path to the throne,

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<v Speaker 1>or were they trying to get their hands on his money?

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<v Speaker 1>Or were they after this tantalizing software that he and

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<v Speaker 1>only he controlled. We tried to corroborate our anonymous sources claims,

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<v Speaker 1>but most experts we interviewed couldn't confirm it. However, they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't rule it out either. My name is Sue Kim.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a policy analyst at the Rare Incorporation UM. I

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<v Speaker 1>was a CIA analyst on North Korea. Sue Kim has

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<v Speaker 1>thought about these possibilities. Could someone else have ordered the

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<v Speaker 1>hit on Kim jong nam, whether on their own or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe as a favor to the new Supreme leader? Absolutely possible.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say that for for a senior North three

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<v Speaker 1>officials due to want to do this as a quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote favor, But I think this would have to be

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<v Speaker 1>approved by by Kim jongan because not just because of

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<v Speaker 1>the high stakes involved in terms of you know, killing

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<v Speaker 1>a family member, but because there's potential backlash. I think

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<v Speaker 1>up to a certain point, yes, it's possible, But then again,

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<v Speaker 1>keep in mind that decisions authority it's all resting on

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<v Speaker 1>Kim Jongan, so very likely Kim Jongan had to at

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<v Speaker 1>least approve the hit, But that's not the same as

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<v Speaker 1>ordering the hit, and as Kim Jongan had proven before,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't afraid to do that. That takes us back

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<v Speaker 1>to the beginning of this episode, when Kim Jongan was

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<v Speaker 1>masquerading as a Brazilian boy called Joseph Plague. While studying

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<v Speaker 1>in Switzerland, Kim Jongan fell in love with the snow

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<v Speaker 1>and the mountains. He learned how to ski and spent

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<v Speaker 1>weekends at resorts outside the city of Burn. When he

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<v Speaker 1>became Supreme Leader, Kim Jongan was determined to bring these

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<v Speaker 1>places to North Korea, So about a year and a

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<v Speaker 1>half into his regime, Kim Jongan told Chang Song tech

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<v Speaker 1>that he wanted to build both a ski resort and

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<v Speaker 1>a water park. According to the testimony of a defector,

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<v Speaker 1>this is where Uncle Chang first slipped. He suggested that

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<v Speaker 1>the young ruler should focus on the economy before he

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<v Speaker 1>ventured to build a water park. Kim jong un did

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<v Speaker 1>not take this suggestion. Well, we don't know what happened

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<v Speaker 1>behind the palace walls, but it's reasonable to assume that

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<v Speaker 1>Kim Jongan argued that building a luxury resort was building

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<v Speaker 1>up the economy because in two thousand and six the

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<v Speaker 1>United Nations targeted North Korea with sanctions hitting nearly every

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:08.799
<v Speaker 1>sector of its economy with the exception of tourism. Tourism

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<v Speaker 1>has been a very big part also of how the

0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 1>state makes money. And um, these were special zones for

0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:17.239
<v Speaker 1>inter crean tourism, and there was actually a lot of

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:20.640
<v Speaker 1>activity that went on between them. Um, there's a real

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:24.479
<v Speaker 1>rise in tourism from China, and you saw a real

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<v Speaker 1>emphasis and investment in creating more attractive tourist destinations, so

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<v Speaker 1>different Hot Springs, Um. You know, the build up of

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 1>the beach resort at once and over the years the

0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 1>massive ground um Ski resort. So what Uncle Tong saw

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<v Speaker 1>as wasteful spending on piddling pleasure resorts was in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>in Kim Jongan's mind at least an investment, a way

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<v Speaker 1>to make much needed money in a legitimate way. It

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<v Speaker 1>was also a way to convince citizens that life was

0:34:57.239 --> 0:35:02.960
<v Speaker 1>indeed getting better. But Chung's opposition made Kim Jongan skeptical

0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 1>of his father's old number two, and so he's looking around.

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:10.360
<v Speaker 1>He's looking around. He's looking at these grizzled six seventy

0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:13.279
<v Speaker 1>five year old North Korean officials. He's looking to see

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<v Speaker 1>who's going to be loyal and who's going to form

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<v Speaker 1>an alternative power center, who's going to be a threat

0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:21.759
<v Speaker 1>to his consolidation of power. That's where Jong Song Tech

0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:27.399
<v Speaker 1>starts to loom large. Eventually, Uncle Tong complied, and within

0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 1>a few years, as North Korea plunged into another food crisis,

0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:36.279
<v Speaker 1>Kim Jong Un would proudly unveil the mash Young Ski

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<v Speaker 1>Resort and the muns Who Water Park. He constructs a

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<v Speaker 1>dolphin aquarium and developed the Sandy Beach front around the

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Royal compounded One's Hunt with department stores, golf courses, beach resorts,

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 1>and missile launch pads. But according to defectors, Kim Jong

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<v Speaker 1>Un and Uncle Tong's relationship never recovered, and he started

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<v Speaker 1>to undermine his death. He started to undermine his nephew.

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<v Speaker 1>And we have to look at it from the perspective

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<v Speaker 1>of Jong Song Tech. John Song Tech is a man

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<v Speaker 1>in his late sixties. He had been in the center

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<v Speaker 1>of North Korea power going back to the nineties seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>he had fallen in and out of favor, and so

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<v Speaker 1>you could see Jong Sung Tech being sixty five sixty

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<v Speaker 1>six years old in two thousand eleven and said, why

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<v Speaker 1>am I going to turn over all of this power?

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<v Speaker 1>Why am I going to turn over my life's work

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<v Speaker 1>to my snot nosed twentysomething nephew. Maybe there is a

0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:35.840
<v Speaker 1>degree of resentment in that, and so that starts to

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<v Speaker 1>form these tensions. Things got even testier when the dear

0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Leader ordered Changue to relinquish control of a condensed milk

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<v Speaker 1>factory and a fish farm. Apparently members of the government

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<v Speaker 1>loyal to change blocked the transition when Kim Jong UN's

0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:55.719
<v Speaker 1>men came to take over. Some say that was the

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<v Speaker 1>last straw. Others suggest that Kim Jong Un had this

0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 1>covered Uncle Chang's secret that in two thousand and eight,

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<v Speaker 1>when Kim Jong Il was recovering from a stroke, Chang

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<v Speaker 1>had been pushing unsuccessfully to have King Chong Nam chosen

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<v Speaker 1>as the next successor. Chang Song Tech, in other words,

0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:21.720
<v Speaker 1>was a trader to Kim Jong Un from the start.

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Kim Jong Un sort of had to put his uncle

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<v Speaker 1>down because his uncle was undermining him. In late Uncle

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Chang was escorted to the Kongon Military Academy, were two

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:38.840
<v Speaker 1>of his closest deputies and arguably two of his closest friends,

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:43.680
<v Speaker 1>were trotted in front of anti aircraft machine guns. The

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 1>weapons designed to pierce the steel fuselage of airplanes, turned

0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:55.760
<v Speaker 1>the men into pulp. The remains were incinerated with flamethrowers.

0:37:57.440 --> 0:38:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Uncle Chang immediately face did change. Had survived purges before,

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<v Speaker 1>He had been demoted in the past and even sent

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 1>to re education camps. But when Kim Jong il was

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:15.840
<v Speaker 1>in charge, he was always considered family an accordion playing

0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:19.920
<v Speaker 1>goofball on the other side of the dining table. But

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:25.680
<v Speaker 1>this was a new time and Uncle Chang's behavior was

0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:30.719
<v Speaker 1>a tangible threat for the new Supreme leader, and a

0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Jong Song Tech was undermining him in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>really not only threatened Kim Jong un as a political figure,

0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:41.800
<v Speaker 1>but probably threatened Kim Jong UN's life. He was probably

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<v Speaker 1>the only person in North Korea's political culture that could

0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:49.080
<v Speaker 1>ferment an assassination against his nephew. Jong Sung Tech was

0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:51.919
<v Speaker 1>the only one who had the intelligence and the personality

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:54.920
<v Speaker 1>and the connections to be able to make the morning

0:38:54.960 --> 0:39:02.160
<v Speaker 1>after the coup successful. On December eighth, about a week

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<v Speaker 1>after his friends were executed, Chang was accused of dozens

0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:10.640
<v Speaker 1>of charges. Namely, he had been planting his followers and

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:14.880
<v Speaker 1>keep posts and had quote work to stretch his tentacles

0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:18.400
<v Speaker 1>even to the People's army with a foolish calculation that

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:22.960
<v Speaker 1>he would succeed in staging a coup. Other charges seemed

0:39:23.040 --> 0:39:26.799
<v Speaker 1>more petty and ridiculous. He was accused of clapping for

0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:31.760
<v Speaker 1>the new leader quote halfheartedly. A photograph of him leaning

0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:35.120
<v Speaker 1>on an arm rest during a speech a bored expression

0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:40.239
<v Speaker 1>on his face was used to prove his disloyalty. Kim

0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Jong Un was unsparing. He described Uncle Chang as quote

0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:51.440
<v Speaker 1>despicable human scum who was worse than a dog. Only

0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:57.000
<v Speaker 1>a week past between Chang's arrest and his sentencing, he

0:39:57.080 --> 0:40:01.919
<v Speaker 1>was taken from the courtroom to the Kongo military training area, and,

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<v Speaker 1>just like his deputies before him, told to kneel in

0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:17.520
<v Speaker 1>front of an anti aircraft gun. The death of Uncle

0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Tongue would be a wake up call. It didn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>how loyal you were to Kim Jongan's father. It didn't

0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:28.880
<v Speaker 1>matter how well you help the transition of power. It

0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:31.799
<v Speaker 1>didn't matter if you had good ideas about the economy,

0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:37.360
<v Speaker 1>and it didn't matter that years earlier your passport said

0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:41.319
<v Speaker 1>you were father and son. It really did send a

0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:47.839
<v Speaker 1>message to not only Jiangsung text faction as to this

0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:51.080
<v Speaker 1>is not your house, this is my house, UM, and

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<v Speaker 1>you need to fall in line, UM like I might

0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:57.560
<v Speaker 1>be young, but I still am decisive and can be brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, if you assent, you die. After Uncle

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<v Speaker 1>Tong's death, Kim Jongan proudly stated, our party detected and

0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 1>purged the anti party counter revolutionary factionalists. His uncle's friends

0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:21.680
<v Speaker 1>were quickly replaced from their posts. Dozens of his closest

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<v Speaker 1>family members were sent to prison camps. Defector testimonies suggests

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<v Speaker 1>that more than thirty of Uncle Tong's associates, including family,

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<v Speaker 1>would be killed by firing squad, but by the end

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<v Speaker 1>of one of Uncle Tong's closest associates, confidants and friends

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<v Speaker 1>was out there still alive. Kim Tongue ma'am on the

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