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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noah.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We are joined with our producer

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Speaker 3: Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are here

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Speaker 3: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you

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Speaker 3: to know. We are coming to you semi live as

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Speaker 3: a hurricane is hitting the US, the southeastern US, part

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Speaker 3: of which we are based in, and we wanted to

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Speaker 3: get this out as long as we have power. We

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Speaker 3: talked a little bit about the because we're super cool

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Speaker 3: and superant not boring.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we got stories. How's that about the weather? No,

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Speaker 4: it actually is appropriate this time. It's kind of a

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Speaker 4: little scary. And we talked about how interesting and non

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Speaker 4: exact a science meteorology kind of is. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you look at the radar right now, guys,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've noticed this when it's showing

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Speaker 2: like if you go to weather dot COM's radar that

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Speaker 2: they display right it will show you the storm systems

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Speaker 2: moving north through as you said, the southeastern part of

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Speaker 2: the US. But it doesn't show the hurricane. And when

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Speaker 2: it's showing you the past up until now, the hurricane

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Speaker 2: pops on screen when it shows you the future, like

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Speaker 2: what's coming, what's about to happen? Even though the storm

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Speaker 2: or around the hurricane. It's the weirdest thing.

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Speaker 4: What does it mean that? What does it mean?

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It means there's a weird Venn diagram and people are

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Speaker 3: portraying it differently, which is not great for the populace.

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Speaker 2: Well, it makes me wonder in the future if the

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Speaker 2: AI systems that have been used for weather prediction, for

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Speaker 2: these types of radar systems, right look at what's happened

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Speaker 2: in the past with the radar and then use these

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Speaker 2: intense supercomputers and systems deep learning systems to predict what's

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Speaker 5: What if those.

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Speaker 2: Systems start not making up storms but start displayingcinating Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean we've talked about.

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Speaker 5: How those systems can have weird stuff.

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Speaker 6: Pre crime, pre natural disaster crime.

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Speaker 4: I'm just happy that all the weather people on TV

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Speaker 4: They don't get their due.

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love meteorologists. They get a tough

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Speaker 3: time because sometimes they predict the possibility of disasters that

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Speaker 3: either way. So they're doing great work. Just like the

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Speaker 3: octopuses that are training fish to hunt with them. That's

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Speaker 3: a true story. They're not doing it. The fish, I mean,

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Speaker 4: I remember my octopus teacher. I saw that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, right, So check out the news on that.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about some very heavy things, some

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Speaker 3: very disturbing things, discoveries, updates, bands, just you know, folks.

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Speaker 3: At the end, toward the end and the third act

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Speaker 3: of this weekly Strange News segment, we are going to

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Speaker 3: talk about state sponsored murder. But there's so much strange news.

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Speaker 3: We have so much on the way.

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Speaker 5: And we've returned.

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Speaker 2: We're going to hit a couple updates, guys, and then

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Speaker 2: have a brief thought experiment about a story Ben that

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Speaker 2: you brought to us last week. The whole world was watching.

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Speaker 2: I think, So here we go. First of all, do

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Speaker 2: you guys Remember that giant cargo ship that crashed into

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Speaker 2: Well, the company that runs that, that manages that ship

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Speaker 4: Well, it seems only fair, doesn't that it was entirely

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Speaker 2: Well, it was, right, So there's a lot of litigation

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Speaker 5: And why and why was it not us? Right? I

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Speaker 2: That happen after a disaster like this, because remember six

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Speaker 2: Because nobody could come in or out for several months.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. It's funny. A friend of mine staying with me

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, for sure. Oh and just in a

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Speaker 2: at least that ship still working silver lining, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: In the end, this appears to be the Justice Department

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Speaker 2: We've got a second update, you guys. Remember that British

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Speaker 2: tech billionaire Mike Lynch who died along with several of

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Speaker 2: super yacht, the Baysian, sank off the coast of Sicily

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Speaker 2: divers surveying the wreckage of the forty million dollars super

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Speaker 2: over concerns that sensitive ata locked in its safes may

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Speaker 2: interest foreign governments. What what, So, we've got a super

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Speaker 2: Mike Lynch. According to quote, you guys are gonna love this,

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Speaker 4: Unquote sources so helpful, aren't they?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Baysian this super yacht may contain highly sensitive

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Speaker 5: Do you guys have any thoughts on that? Initially?

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Speaker 4: Well, sure makes it seem like this was some kind

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Speaker 4: of hit, right, But so why didn't they get the stuff?

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Speaker 4: Usually if there's a hit because someone's sitting on important

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Speaker 2: It feels a little weird to me that there would

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Speaker 2: Yes, but you asked the right question there in NOL.

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Speaker 2: of that. I think that's what these investigators are interested in,

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Speaker 2: the potential that some of that stuff ended up on these,

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Speaker 2: at least according to the authorities, highly secured drives, like

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Speaker 2: heavily encrypted drives that exist in safes that are allegedly watertight,

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Speaker 4: Craziness. It's wild.

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Speaker 2: But the biggest thing is that law enforcement in these

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Speaker 2: say actionable, maybe that Russian and Chinese services special services

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Speaker 4: Ben, what kind of stuff do you think would fall

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Speaker 3: Do you mean as in, what would what kind of info.

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Speaker 4: Would do, what would lead to this level of hubbub.

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Speaker 3: Like, what would incentivize rival powers? Yeah, it's tough because

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Speaker 2: Gee, I don't know who. What country makes a bunch

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Speaker 2: Yeah, components that are inside these systems. Anyway, it just

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Speaker 4: And we returned with another piece of strange news. This

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Speaker 4: it has a happy ending. Oakland, California, nineteen fifty one.

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine the just the gravity of that burden

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Speaker 2: Imagine the mother fifty plus years, fifty four years of

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Speaker 4: No Oakland Police. By the way, this reporting comes from

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Speaker 4: or maybe even implying that you had something to do

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Speaker 4: with it. So let's go back to Aliquin, who first

440
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Speaker 4: got an inkling that her uncle might actually be still alive.

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Speaker 4: That came in twenty twenty where she just for fun,

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Speaker 4: as she put it, took an online DNA test. It's

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Speaker 4: not mentioned exactly which one it was, but we've certainly

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Speaker 4: seen these online DNA tests being the subject of a

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Speaker 4: lot of criticism, a lot of controversy in terms of

446
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 4: just the companies that offer these, just buying and selling

447
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 4: your DNA information, your data, and all of that. Certainly

448
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 4: there is the sketchy side of this, but just the same,

449
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 4: she took the online DNA test, which showed, thankfully, because

450
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,959
Speaker 4: this other individual was in the database, a twenty two

451
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Speaker 4: percent match with a man living on the other side

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Speaker 4: of the country who did ultimately turn out to be

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Speaker 4: her uncle, Lewis Armando Albino, that six year old boy

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Speaker 4: who was abducted in nineteen fifty one. Pretty incredible. In

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Speaker 4: early twenty twenty four, she and her daughters started to

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Speaker 4: search for this man. On a visit to the Oakland

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Speaker 4: Public Library, she looked through some of the microfilms of

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Speaker 4: the reporting from when the abduction took place, and she

459
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Speaker 4: actually found one that had a picture of Louis and

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Speaker 4: Louise and Roger, the brothers, which she was able to

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Speaker 4: kind of look to as a sign that she was

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Speaker 4: on the right track because this person that she was

463
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Speaker 4: connected with looked like he could potentially be a match.

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Speaker 4: And she went to the Oakland Police with this information,

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Speaker 4: and the investigators, you know, in what one could argue

466
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Speaker 4: would be kind of like exception to what would normally happen.

467
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Speaker 4: It seems in these kind of situations where someone comes

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Speaker 4: with information on a long dead case, you often hear

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Speaker 4: about people of being you know, pushed aside and not

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Speaker 4: taken seriously. So kudos to the Oakland Police Department for

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Speaker 4: taking this information seriously and opening a new missing person investigation.

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Speaker 4: Oakland police very recently last week is a brand new

473
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 4: story said that the missing person's case is now closed,

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Speaker 4: but that they and the FBI are still considering the

475
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Speaker 4: kidnapping portion of it to be an ongoing investigation. Now

476
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 4: that Luis has been found on the East coast providing

477
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 4: DNA samples, it has proven that he is in fact

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Speaker 4: the missing boy because Alquin's mother also provided a DNA sample.

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Speaker 4: So with one hundred percent certainty.

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Speaker 3: Talk about a family reunion. And I love that there's

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Speaker 3: there is some closure here, you know. Actually I went

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Speaker 3: on mute just so I could I could hear this,

483
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 3: hear the story in full, the noel. Do we have

484
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: any indication there's something? A lot of the audience will ask,

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Speaker 3: do we have any indication on possible identities or motivations

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Speaker 3: of the original kidnappers all those years ago?

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Speaker 4: Now it seems like it might be too soon to know,

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00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 4: but it does appear that they are interested in that

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Speaker 4: very same question, Ben, in finding out what you know

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00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 4: can be determined. You know, from questioning Louise and describing

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Speaker 4: this woman who abducted him all those years ago, seventy

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Speaker 4: years ago, I believe She's been described as having not

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Speaker 4: that this matters today, but having worn a bandana, you know,

494
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Speaker 4: some vague descriptions of her appearance. But again, seventy years ago,

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Speaker 4: chances are pretty good. With Louise now being in his.

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Speaker 2: Seventies, he's like seventy nine, rightly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly that this woman would be probably long deceased.

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Speaker 4: But then the question does become ben, was this part

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Speaker 4: of some sort of greater organization that perhaps God only

500
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 4: knows still operating? You know, it does seem that there

501
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 4: could be information that could be valuable even this many

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Speaker 4: years later. So yeah, that's the gist of that story.

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Speaker 4: I just think it's such a fantastic and powerful statement

504
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 4: on never giving up hope, you know, as hard as

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00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 4: it might be. There's a quote from Aliquhen, the niece,

506
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Speaker 4: saying when they reunited, we didn't start crying until after

507
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 4: the investigators left. I grabbed my mom's hand and said,

508
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 4: we found him. I was ecstatic. Aliquan went on to

509
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 4: describe her mother and other relatives being reunited with Luis

510
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 4: as well, saying they grabbed each other and had a

511
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 4: really tight, long hug. They sat down and just talked.

512
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 4: She said, discussing the day of the kidnapping, their military service,

513
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Speaker 4: and more.

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Speaker 3: And it reminds me of one important point for all

515
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 3: of us listening along. Statistically, unfortunately, some of our fellow

516
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: conspiracy realist may have first hand experience with similar situations.

517
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 3: Think of the horrors of the residential schools, Think of

518
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 3: the cultural erasure that has occurred in the Western world

519
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: as well as many other parts of the globe. One

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00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 3: thing about DNA testing and the DNA technology that has

521
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 3: yet to be fully legislated is although it poses frightening implications,

522
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: it also, as you pointed out, and all these amazing

523
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 3: opportunities right for people to learn more about where they

524
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 3: come from, learn who was lost, and maybe reconnect with

525
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Speaker 3: those folks. And I think there's a great power and

526
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 3: poetry to that. I'm curious, what do you guys think.

527
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: Do you think that we have someone in the audience

528
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 3: tonight who may have encountered something similar. I'm thinking through

529
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: my head, and I know we've had fellow listeners who

530
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,719
Speaker 3: have talked at some length there sent us correspondence regarding

531
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 3: finding family they didn't know they had or that they

532
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 3: supposed was gone forever. Do you guys think any body

533
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 3: in the audience tonight might have a similar.

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Speaker 4: Story, highly likely, whether it's this extreme a case or

535
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 4: something more like what you were describing, Ben, I think

536
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Speaker 4: it's a lot more common than people might think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially with some of the cases of what was

538
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: it fraud where a doctor would impregnate multiple women when

539
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 2: they would come in to you know, partake in IVF

540
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: or something like that. You never know, all of us

541
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Speaker 2: might have, you know, some kind of siblings out there.

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Speaker 4: Agreed, Yeah, I mean, you know, like I said, there's

543
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 4: a whole sticky wicket with the DNA testing for profit

544
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 4: and you know what's being done with that information. And

545
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 4: it was one of those things where it was such

546
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 4: a shiny new thing when it was first offered and

547
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 4: everyone was excited to participate in it without really thinking

548
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Speaker 4: about the consequences. But we've also seen the flip side

549
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 4: of that, the positive side of that with cold cases

550
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Speaker 4: being solved. Matt, I believe you brought a case, No,

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00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 4: it was a Golden State killer, right. It was a

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Speaker 4: case involving a DNA site that identified as a suspect

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00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 4: for the Golden State killer and that was determined to

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Speaker 4: be accurate.

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00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, correct, Jedmatch I believe was the name of

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00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: that company that did that.

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Speaker 4: There you go, So it's certainly something that we've seen

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00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 4: positive things come out of. There's also, you know, of course,

559
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 4: a dark side to data brokering and all of that

560
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 4: good stuff that we've talked about at length on the show.

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Speaker 4: So nice to hear a story like this is such

562
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 4: a sad beginning ending on such a positive note. So please,

563
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 4: if anyone out there does have experience like this being

564
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Speaker 4: reunited with long lost, possibly thought dead family members, please

565
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Speaker 4: do send us your stories conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 4: We'd really love to hear it and share your stories

567
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 4: on an upcoming listener mail if you are comfortable with that.

568
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Speaker 4: In the meantime, let's take a quick break here, a

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Speaker 4: word from our sponsor, and then come back with one

570
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Speaker 4: more piece of strange.

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Speaker 3: News, and we have returned. As mentioned at the top,

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Speaker 3: this is the part of the weekly Strange News segment

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Speaker 3: that may be disturbing and as such not appropriate for

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Speaker 3: all listeners. Want to get that disclaimer out of the way.

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Speaker 3: Will end with a fun thing. But before we get

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Speaker 3: to this horrific story, let's get a little bit of

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Speaker 3: paranoia in the chat guys, did you see that there

578
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 3: was a new study confirming some of the world's most

579
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 3: common smart TVs are taking multi second snapshots of what

580
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Speaker 3: you watch?

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Speaker 4: Is this like Roku specific than them offering so much

582
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Speaker 4: of the software operating system for a lot of smart TVs?

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Speaker 4: I'm curious. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: For a while, NOL, I've been wondering why television prices

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Speaker 3: seem to buck the overall trend of rising cost in electronics.

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00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:11,479
Speaker 3: Why the TVs yeah become the loss leader. It's because, Yeah,

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00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 3: popular smart TV models me by Sam Sung and LG

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00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: take snapshots of what you're watching every second, even if

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00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: and get this, even if they're being used as external

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00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 3: displays for your laptop or video game console.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so much else snapshot like literally like a

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Speaker 4: spot Yeah wow.

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Speaker 3: Windshot with associated metadata. I want to give a shout

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Speaker 3: out credits very important where it's due. Shout out to

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Speaker 3: Jeremy Sue over at New Scientist with this information. That's

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Speaker 3: where we found it. Published twenty four September, Uh, just

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Speaker 3: just this month. UH and this dumble one, but a

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Speaker 3: fun update. We've been on this kick, as longtime listeners

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Speaker 3: know with UH with drugs hidden in weird things.

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Speaker 6: What do we have? We had.

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Speaker 4: Fake watermelons, like paper mache, looking at square watermelons.

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00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: Oh, and then there was like the crates of something

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Speaker 3: at the farmer's market.

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Speaker 4: Little guitar amplifiers at guitar Center.

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Speaker 6: Guitar amplifiers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, celery squash. We got hugeless green beans, giant vats

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Speaker 2: of jolopano paste.

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Speaker 4: What happened to there? Such, snuggle them in your butt

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Speaker 4: like the old days, you know.

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Speaker 3: Right well, you can't do the volume. I guess people's

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00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: parts are getting smaller.

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Speaker 4: Can't find a good drug mule these days.

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Speaker 6: You can't even get a regular mule.

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Speaker 3: The prices are crazy, so our quick drugs and stuff update.

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Speaker 3: A German supermarket, not the authorities. A German supermarket discovered

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Speaker 3: seven million euros worth of cocaine hidden in crates of bananas.

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Speaker 6: So if you.

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Speaker 3: Are living in Germany and you're getting a weird vibe

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Speaker 3: off your bananas, get the to the local news.

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Speaker 4: There's a Ween song called Bananas and Blow, and I

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Speaker 4: think that's appropriate soundtrack material for this story.

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Speaker 3: You know what, it's weird, no, because I'll hear people

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Speaker 3: say a Ween reference and half the time I think

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Speaker 3: they're making it up because the song sounds so specific.

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00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 3: They've got some cookie stuff, okay, But every time I

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Speaker 3: check it out, it turns out to be the case.

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Speaker 3: And speaking of cases, this is the trigger warning three

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Speaker 3: two one. A few days before we came to record

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Speaker 3: this Strange News segment, the state of Missouri, despite overwhelming protest,

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Speaker 3: murdered executed a man named Marcellus Williams. This will be

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Speaker 3: familiar to us because I believe in June of this

632
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Speaker 3: year we talked about this a bit on Strange News.

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Speaker 3: They had set the execution date the state of Missouri,

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Speaker 3: and they set that date for September twenty fourth. Marcellus

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Speaker 3: Williams was executed by lethal injection. Would I say there

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Speaker 3: was a massive outcry. The crime for which he was

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Speaker 3: executed was the stabbing of Felicia Gail on August eleventh,

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight. It was a homicide. The two witnesses

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Speaker 3: who placed him at the scene have passed away, one

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Speaker 3: of whom I believe recanted their statement. We talked about

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Speaker 3: some of the stickiness of that. The family of Felicia

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Speaker 3: Gail also requested clemency from Marcellus Williams. They did not

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Speaker 3: believe the case held water NA evidence did not match

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00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 3: we talked about that was contaminated. Something that occurred between

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Speaker 3: the time we first spoke about this and this evening

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Speaker 3: is it's unprecedented. The prosecution and the defense issued a

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Speaker 3: joint statement saying, we believe this man is innocent. We

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Speaker 3: learned about this initially through things like our friends at

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Speaker 3: Wrongful Conviction and Lava for Good, our friends at the

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Speaker 3: Innocence Project. What is astonishing here, and I'm sure a

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Speaker 3: lot of us have seen this on social media, is

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Speaker 3: that it appears that everything that would have led to

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Speaker 3: reasonable doubt or an appeal right, or at least a

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Speaker 3: delay in execution, it was ignored. This guy was following

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Speaker 3: through the correct steps of the system, but still every

656
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Speaker 3: possible avenue is treated as though it didn't matter. Now,

657
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 3: have you guys heard about this case? Have you guys

658
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 3: seen this bumping around on the I.

659
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Speaker 4: Mean I remember it from the LAVA panel that I

660
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 4: had not heard the execution took place until just now.

661
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Speaker 4: It's heartbreaking.

662
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Speaker 2: I've just been seeing Maggie Freeling I think you said

663
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: your last name.

664
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Speaker 4: Talking about it a lot.

665
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, one of the hosts of Wrongful conviction along

666
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 3: with Jason Flum, I wanted to learn how this could happen,

667
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 3: like what is the rationale? Because ultimately the governor could

668
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 3: have given clemency right or the state Supreme Court could

669
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: have responded to these issues. This is going to be disturbing.

670
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Speaker 3: We will read in part the statement of Missouri Governor

671
00:41:53,600 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 3: Mike Parson in his justification of this murder of what

672
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 3: I believe to be an innocent man. Governor Parson says

673
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: in part, capital punishment cases are some of the hardest

674
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 3: issues we have to address in the Governor's office. But

675
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 3: when it comes down to it, I follow the law

676
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 3: and trust the integrity of our judicial system. Mister Williams

677
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 3: has exhausted due process and every judicial avenue, including over

678
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 3: fifteen hearings attempting to argue his innocence and overturn his conviction.

679
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 3: No jury, no court, including at the trial, appellate and

680
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: Supreme court levels, have ever found merit in mister Williams's

681
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 3: innocence claims. At the end of the day, his guilty,

682
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 3: verdict and sentence of capital punishment were upheld. Nothing from

683
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 3: the real facts of this case have led me to

684
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 3: believe in mister Williams's innocence as such, mister williams punishment

685
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 3: will be carried out as ordered by the Supreme Court.

686
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 3: And then he goes on, well, let's stop there. What

687
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:07,959
Speaker 3: do you guys think about that rationale? Seen some headshakes.

688
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm reading the message from the governor there. It's

689
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Speaker 2: just yeah, sorry, I'm still kind of processing all of it.

690
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Speaker 4: I mean same, it's given what we know and what

691
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 4: we know about cases like this, and how so often

692
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Speaker 4: justice is not carried out. For something to have this

693
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 4: level of finality to it, I think is just like

694
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,959
Speaker 4: the ultimate head shaking kind of moment.

695
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I love that point the the victim's

696
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 3: family said, don't kill this person, not because you know,

697
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 3: we're practicing forgiveness, but because we don't think he's the murderer.

698
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Speaker 6: Right.

699
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Speaker 3: The DNA evidence doesn't match. Further the uh there there

700
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 3: was a shoeprint, fingerprints, hair found at the seeing, none

701
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: of which matched Williams. I cannot overemphasize how rare and

702
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 3: extraordinary it is for the prosecutor's office and the defense

703
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 3: office to say, don't do this. Yeah, this is not

704
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Speaker 3: how justice is supposed to work.

705
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Speaker 2: I wonder if it has anything to do with a

706
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: severity like the brutality of the murder of Felicia, because

707
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: she was stabbed forty three times. You know, when she

708
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: was discovered basically by the crime scene investigators or the

709
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 2: first responders, she had the knife still lodged in her neck,

710
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 2: and you can imagine that that kind of brutal crime,

711
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: at least in the beginning. I think it is the

712
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: thing we talked about in the beginning, there was such

713
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 2: pressure to find whoever the heck did that, you know,

714
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 2: something so terrible. Not that murdering anyone at any time

715
00:44:55,560 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 2: isn't awful, but that kind of thing, it's just there's

716
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: something inhuman about it. And I imagine that pressure was

717
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: tremendous to put somebody behind bars for doing this. And

718
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 2: I think it's that thing that you guys talked about

719
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: on the panel with Lava for Good. It's almost like

720
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: once law enforcement starts going down a path, and like

721
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 2: a district attorney signs up for a case, it's like

722
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 2: you can't take the wheels off the thing critical mass.

723
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Speaker 3: The case was reviewed by the not just the top

724
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 3: legal boffins in Missouri, but by our own SCOTUS, the

725
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 3: United States Supreme Court just hours before the execution, and

726
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court ultimately denied the request. So this did

727
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 3: get all the way to the top judicial authorities in

728
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 3: the land. However, I do take issue. I think we

729
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 3: all can with another part of Governor Parson's statement, which

730
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 3: we'll read part of it, let's figure out how we

731
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 3: feel about this. Parson, in co signing the state sponsored

732
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 3: murder of an innocent man, said, I also want to

733
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 3: add how deeply disturbed we've been about how this case

734
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 3: has been covered. Mister Williams's attorney chose to muddy the

735
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 3: waters about DNA evidence claims. Sorry, my tone is very

736
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 3: snarky here, claims of which courts have repeatedly rejected. Yet,

737
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: says Parson, some media outlets and activist groups have continued

738
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 3: such claims without so much of a mention of the

739
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 3: judicial proceedings or an unbiased analysis of the facts. I

740
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 3: would just implore the media to do their due diligence

741
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: and not rely on the sole claims of individuals who

742
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 3: have a personal or monetary stake in this case. Ah

743
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 3: So he's also kind of saying fake news.

744
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 6: Is that what he's doing.

745
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 4: It's just a it's pretty half hearted deflesh.

746
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: It feels. Yeah, it feels incredibly unclean. You know, I

747
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 3: might sound like a broken record or repeating what we

748
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 3: said in June, but this just does not make sense.

749
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just as a as a devil's advocate position.

750
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 2: I'm reading this thing from the governor that was written.

751
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: I think at least what Mike Parson is saying here is,

752
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: look at all of these bullet pointed things that I've

753
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 2: also included at the end of my statement. These are

754
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 2: all things that, at least in the eyes of me

755
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 2: and the people I've represent in my state, this is

756
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 2: why we.

757
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 5: Are executing this person.

758
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 2: And it includes things like Felicia Gale's personal items were

759
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 2: found in the trunk of mister William's car. And I

760
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: don't know all the all the you know, details of

761
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 2: the case. I didn't watch any of the stuff. I

762
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: don't know anything about it. I imagine if there's a

763
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: fact something like that, I don't know. I think you

764
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 2: make up your mind sometimes with law enforcement.

765
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 3: That yeah, yeah, I see that, And there's a narrative,

766
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 3: and I appreciate you looking at that. So you can

767
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 3: find this statement at Governor dot MO dot gov. Again

768
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 3: came out September twenty fourth, just a few days as

769
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 3: we record, and there is you know, this is what

770
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 3: the governor sees as the justification for this. I would

771
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 3: challenge the governor, however, to respond to the idea that

772
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 3: this is spinning a narrative, given that some of these

773
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 3: bullet points are based on witness testimony, one of whom

774
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 3: Henry Cole was paid five thousand dollars to help spin

775
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 3: the web, and Laura Asaro, who named Marcellus as the

776
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 3: culprit is one of the primary sources upon which the

777
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 3: conviction rests. Now, we're not saying anybody is perfect nor

778
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 3: a paragon of I'm thinking of synonyms for perfect. I

779
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 3: lost my posaurus. Not only is it inconvenient, it's also inconvenient. Uh,

780
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 3: what a dumb joke. The thing here is that we

781
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 3: see inconclusive evidence, and when we're talking about something like

782
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 3: the state exercising the power to end a human life

783
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 3: right non consensually, then this is beyond the realm of

784
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 3: reasonable you know, suspicion or probable cause. You have to

785
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 3: know for sure if.

786
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: You're doing this, well, what is the reason to just

787
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: go ahead and carry out that sentence? Rather than just hold,

788
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: what's the big problem? Is it going to cost the

789
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: state too much money for a prosecutor?

790
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 4: Don't you think it comes down to politics or it

791
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 4: came down to somebody making the call, whether it be

792
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 4: a governor or what have you. Like, I mean, just

793
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 4: let's put it behind us. Is that kind of thinking?

794
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 4: You know? I don't know.

795
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 5: As long as.

796
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 2: It's not a political move. Can you imagine, like it's

797
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: a governor that's going to be up for reelection and

798
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 2: wants to show that he's hard on crime.

799
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 4: That's what.

800
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 3: De Yeah, tough on crime is a big selling point

801
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 3: in Missouri policy.

802
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 4: Yeah.

803
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 3: These are incredibly valid and disturbingly relevant questions. These are

804
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 3: the questions that we shouldn't have to be asking, yet

805
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 3: we must, because in a very real sense, there are

806
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 3: conspiracies of foot. The justice system is in intense need

807
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 3: of repair in the United States. I think many of

808
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 3: us listening tonight can agree the aspects of it are broken,

809
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 3: regardless of where you find yourself in the spectrum of

810
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 3: pro or anti death penalty, regardless of where you find yourself,

811
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 3: and the idea of you know, mandatory sentencing or other

812
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 3: policy things. Also, by the way, related to last meals

813
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 3: to spend the human moment. Williams had chicken wings and

814
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 3: tater tots and he was a poet because he had

815
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 3: been incarcerated, he had found religion. He was a religious

816
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 3: leader in the prison system. And his last you know,

817
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 3: you can find his poetry online and I'll say it objectively,

818
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 3: he's very well written. And his last statement, which is

819
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 3: terrifying that there's a form for this. They apparently gave

820
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 3: him a form where you say, you write out your

821
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 3: last statement, and it looks like a worksheet that you

822
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 3: would get in grade school. And his last statement was

823
00:51:55,080 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 3: all praise be to Allah in every situation. And you know,

824
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 3: we talk a lot about funny, weird stories. Who's putting

825
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 3: drugs in?

826
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 4: What you know?

827
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 3: And what are the octopus up to this time? But

828
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 3: the but but for this, I think there's something enormous

829
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 3: at play. H Noel Matt. This is the third person

830
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 3: executed in Missouri in recent history. The people involved in

831
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 3: the system are telling or we're begging the system not

832
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 3: to execute this man, right to at least re examine

833
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 3: the case, and the system said no. And I think

834
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 3: that's a dangerous precedent. Am I being an alarmist or

835
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 3: as that.

836
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 4: I mean, No, I couldn't agree more.

837
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think we got to take away

838
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: the state's ability to kill people.

839
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 5: If you're gonna if.

840
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 2: You're gonna be killing people, gotta be a military there

841
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 2: has to be a civil war, uh oh mas, or

842
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: to be a different direction, buddy.

843
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm so up to my neck.

844
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 3: I was talking about this in group TEMs so up

845
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 3: to my neck and weird Middle East news. That's right,

846
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 3: there's more than American to the world. We can't wait

847
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 3: to hear your thoughts on this, folks. We had some

848
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 3: great correspondence about the death penalty when it may or

849
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 3: may not be necessary, how to know a person's guilt

850
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 3: or innocence, and the problems with the justice system not

851
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 3: just here in the States but abroad. And we can't

852
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 3: wait to hear more from you regarding this. We don't

853
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 3: want to end on a negative note.

854
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: So when talking about Russia's rules of engagement with nukes.

855
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:45,959
Speaker 6: Sorry Thermobaric. Hey, Thermoberic is like tag and base write

856
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 6: a nuke.

857
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 3: But here is something I thought would make everybody a

858
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 3: little bit happier. As as we head out to the

859
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 3: hurricane evening. That snowmobile guy we mentioned a while back

860
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 3: who crashed into a Blackhawk helicopter got three million dollars.

861
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 4: Hey, I love to hear it.

862
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 6: You'll love to see it.

863
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 3: So adjusted for inflation, I think that's something like two

864
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand. I don't know, depending on when

865
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 3: you go to the grocery store.

866
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 2: But oh, but he did ask for nine and a

867
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 2: half million.

868
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

869
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's how the negotiation works, you know what I mean.

870
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 6: Always ask big.

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Speaker 3: So with this, folks, thank you, as always for tuning

872
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Speaker 2: shoot us a good old fashioned email.

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Speaker 3: We are the entities that read every single piece of

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Speaker 3: correspondence we receive. Be well aware, yet unafraid. Sometimes the

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Speaker 3: void rights back. Shout out to humorous Harry Jesus, did

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Speaker 3: you see that? And also give us your favorite palindromes.

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Speaker 3: I've been blowing up our group chats with apologies to you,

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Speaker 3: you know, because you have to sit through this already.

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Speaker 3: New favorite palindrome is satan oscillate my metallic sonatas.

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Speaker 4: Come oh, come on.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to believe it's a palindrome, but it is

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Speaker 2: except for the comma.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: I send it to you with a comma. But the

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Speaker 3: proper way to do it is without punctuation, without the period.

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Speaker 3: Got it at the end. So satan oscillate my metallic sonatas.

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Speaker 3: This is not a code phrase, hopefully, and Hopefully we're

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Speaker 3: not launching nukes just yet, but just in case, get

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