1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: The Miniwak Caves is intended for mature audiences. It contains 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: strong language and depictions of bullying, violence, and sexual assault 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: that some may find disturbing. Listener discretion is advised. Also, 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: this is an extremely immersive experience and headphones are recommended. 5 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: You're listening to The Maniwak Caves, a production of iHeartRadio, 6 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: Blumhouse Television and Psycopia Pictures. 7 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: Were there any other injuries of love there were? And 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: can you describe these wounds? 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 3: There were puncture wounds and cuts. 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 2: Was there anything about the pattern of these injuries that 11 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 2: would indicate that type of weapon used? 12 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 3: Insized wounds are caused most obviously by knives, but are 13 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 3: also caused by well, scissors and even blunter instruments like screwdrivers. 14 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 3: These type wounds have certain They're usually slit like, but 15 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 3: when the object is removed or pulled from the flesh, 16 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 3: the skin contracts, leaving a wound that is slightly shorter 17 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: than the blade width. Also, the center wound often widens 18 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: a bit. Scissors stab wounds with closed scissors leave a 19 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 3: Z shape like the ones found on these victims. 20 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: Yes, so scissors like this pair here found in James 21 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: Pincher's house would certainly cause such injuries. 22 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 3: Ejection, your honor. 23 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 4: The expert is here to testify to factual matters. 24 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 3: Questions presented do not presuppose or suggests the answer. 25 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: Your honor. We are only asking the expert's opinion. 26 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 5: Here overruled. 27 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: Can the prosecution please rephrase the question in your expert opinion? 28 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: Could scissors like these found in the home with the 29 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: choosed all such injuries? 30 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 6: Yes, August tenth, it's almost midnight. I'm at Denis Place. 31 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 6: I remember going to Solomon Smith's place. I remember getting 32 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 6: out of my car and walking around his house. I 33 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 6: remember strange, dear, and that's it. 34 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 5: That's it. 35 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:37,839 Speaker 6: Next thing I know, I'm sitting in a jail cell 36 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 6: duly arrested me for arson, But anyone could tell that 37 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 6: they were just trying to hold me in place while 38 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 6: they figured out all the short of details of how 39 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 6: it happened, how the house burned down. They had nothing 40 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 6: to go on. I called Joe Campbell and she called 41 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 6: the Blanc. 42 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 5: Made veil your stuff. Thanks, you got everything I believe, 43 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 5: so you're freety, go mister Sauce, mister lebloc. 44 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 6: Look, I'm really sorry for all the trouble. 45 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 5: I don't know what happened exactly. 46 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 6: I was just trying to find out more about what 47 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 6: Solomon Smith. 48 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, let's not overthink it. There's a lot happening and 49 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 7: emotions are all on high. 50 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 5: How much was my veil? 51 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 7: Don't worry about that right now. Pulled a few strings, 52 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 7: I was able to get it considerably reduced. You will 53 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 7: have to come back for an arrangement, okay, But the 54 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 7: important thing is that you're all right. I want you 55 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 7: to get some rest. You and insisted you stay with 56 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 7: her tonight. But between us, I think it would be 57 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 7: best for you not to overstay. 58 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 5: You're welcome. 59 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,839 Speaker 7: We need her calm and collected right now. We don't 60 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 7: need her playing hostess this week. Of course, she's outside. 61 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 7: You ride with her, and I'm gonna meet you all 62 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 7: over there and every group in a bit after I 63 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 7: take care of some court documents. I still need your signature, though, 64 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 7: right I'm afraid we're out of time for any changes. 65 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 7: But this clearly states that your two thousand and seven 66 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 7: testimony was false. 67 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 6: And Julian. 68 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 7: They found Tyler Wilson were on Griff Washington's property. Apparently 69 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 7: he had some homemade explosives. We think he was trying 70 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 7: to blow up the entrance to the cave. 71 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 5: Is he he's dead? 72 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 8: The piece of. 73 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 9: Dom to you, the true blood, like the suit. 74 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 8: To leave behind. 75 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 10: They were about to press charges, but it was Dinah retaliated. 76 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 10: The DNA test proven Deacon was the father of her 77 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 10: own born child. She rebunded with a proof of the 78 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 10: Happy Boy's own guilt if any legal moves were made 79 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 10: against her brother, and so she created a stalemate. 80 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 5: If her brother was going to. 81 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 10: Jail, so were Bobby Hadley's sons. And if Bobby would 82 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 10: back down, she'd keep the right out of the papers 83 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 10: and no one would ever know about it. 84 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 8: Somebody scream like, hell no, we'll see by Luke. 85 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 11: When you. 86 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 12: Totally I'm telling you that's no pluck, not run around 87 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 12: feel get your hand right. 88 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 3: They can't. 89 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 10: We'll be held against you in a court of law, 90 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 10: don't mocker. 91 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 4: Dina, I'm so sorry you keep saying that. Jesus, what 92 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 4: the fuck is wrong with you? 93 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 11: Jesus? Could you believe this? 94 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 4: Say the first time I've been to the shriff station today, Julian. 95 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 4: They also arrested my son last night. 96 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 8: Oh no, Dina, on you're what. 97 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 4: Oh wait, let me guess you're sorry. He snuck out 98 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 4: again and they caught him smashing windows at Carter High School. 99 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 4: What excellent question. All he said was it wasn't his idea, 100 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 4: said his friends told him to do it. 101 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 13: Well, that's the fucking thing, Julian. 102 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 4: I don't know who Jimmy's friends are, which is why 103 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 4: I'm so fucking troubled. And also I heard about Tyler. 104 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 4: I know he was your friend. So now I guess 105 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 4: it's my turn to say it. I'm sorry, Julia. 106 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, well I don't know what to think. 107 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 11: How about we just be quiet? 108 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 13: Sure you can't ever escape it, Dina was riding. 109 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 6: This town is like purgatory for her, most of all 110 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 6: a series of winding pass all leading the dead hands 111 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 6: unbreakable cycles. The poor stay poor, the rich day rich, 112 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 6: the victims stay victimized. She might have made it out 113 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 6: a long time ago, if it hadn't a been for 114 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 6: what happened. I found this yearbook on the table here 115 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 6: in Dena's house, caught her high class of seven. 116 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 5: We were babies. 117 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 6: I've forgotten how long my hair was. That finch was 118 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 6: in there, his eyes like that of a child. During 119 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:29,119 Speaker 6: the war, and Tyler with his mullet and shit eating grin, 120 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 6: looking authentically tough. I flipped past his picture before getting 121 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 6: lost in thought, I'm not yet ready to deal with 122 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 6: the idea that he's no longer here. Then I saw 123 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 6: Dina's picture, maybe the last picture taken of her previous self, 124 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 6: last image from across the border and time and space 125 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 6: that separates what she is now from who. 126 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 5: She could have been. Now. 127 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 6: She's a single mom with a shit job, working her 128 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 6: ass off to support her delinquente son, Jimmy, no family, 129 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 6: no support in a town that scorns her, all for 130 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 6: the slim hope that she can somehow right all the 131 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 6: wrongs that she herself never committed, Long hours on her feet, 132 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 6: bagging groceries for people who whisper behind her back, just 133 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 6: to pay the rent on a rickety shthole house at 134 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 6: the edge of town, Her child unclaimed by his paternal family, who, 135 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 6: with the stroke of a pen could cast light into 136 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 6: a dim present and give hope to an uncertain future. 137 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 6: Dina was isolated. She and Jimmy were alone, alone in 138 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 6: the world. Why didn't you take Jimmy and leave this place? 139 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 8: A beast, get the hell out of Potsville for crass sakes. 140 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 6: I guess when you're alone in the world, running away 141 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 6: to some other part of it doesn't really change much. 142 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 11: Probably a little clutter. 143 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 6: So oh, seriously, don't worry about it. 144 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 4: Jimmy, Caroline, Hey, miss Fincher, is is everything? 145 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 11: Okay? Where's Jimmy? 146 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 8: He's in his room. 147 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 11: How was a lesson? 148 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 14: He wouldn't come out. What do you mean he locked 149 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 14: himself in his room and wouldn't let me in either. 150 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 8: He called me some nasty things, well things, It's okay. 151 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 4: I don't want to talk about it, so there was 152 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 4: no lesson. 153 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 8: I tried to call you. 154 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Caroline. I don't know what's gotten into him. 155 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 8: Well, if I may say so, I think it's his friends. 156 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 11: Friends. 157 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 8: He keeps talking about them, says they told him to 158 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 8: call me. 159 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 4: What he called me were other kids over today? 160 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 14: No, I maybe his high school friends. I don't I 161 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 14: have to go home. 162 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 8: Now, let me just. 163 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 11: Thirty Okay, it's okay. 164 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 8: Like I said, there was no lesson. 165 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 4: So that's not your fault, though, please take it. 166 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 8: I'm sorry, Miss Fincher. I think this is gonna need 167 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 8: to be my last session. 168 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 4: Wait, what what did he say? To you. 169 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 8: It wasn't that. It's before he went to his room. 170 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 11: He was. 171 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 8: Inappropriate. He he touched me, groped me. 172 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 4: Oh my god, Caroline, I don't know what to say. 173 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 8: Sorry, I need to go. 174 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 11: God damn it. 175 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 4: James Morgan Fincher get out here. Now, you mind brewing 176 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 4: some coffee filters above the coffee maker grounds or in 177 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 4: that jar. Joe and Ed are gonna be here any minute, Jimmy, 178 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 4: I swear to God. 179 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 15: What the fuck'll comment? 180 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 4: God? 181 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 6: I tried not to listen in but that's when I 182 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 6: noticed the yearbook on the table. 183 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 5: I picked it up in some truck. 184 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 11: Did you ever lock the door again? 185 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 15: I'll take it off the fucking hinges? Now look at me, 186 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 15: brook me in the eye. What what did you do? 187 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 4: Nothing? 188 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 11: What the hell happened with Caroline? 189 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 15: Jimmy, what happened? 190 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 6: Said? Nothing? 191 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 4: Did you touch her? 192 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 15: They made me do it? Who made you do what? 193 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 15: It tacked me? Had to tell her she was nothing 194 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 15: but a fat breader. I'm sorry what I didn't. 195 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 5: Want to say? Why did you? 196 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 15: Because I damned me? 197 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 10: You called me a pussy? 198 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 15: They said that was gonna hurt my burn? 199 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 2: Who? 200 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 4: Who? 201 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 16: Jimmy? 202 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 9: Shots? 203 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 15: What times are these boys from your school? No, then, boo, 204 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 15: it's none of your damn business. You are mistaken about that? 205 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 15: Who God's from a cane? 206 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 5: Wait? 207 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 15: What what did you just say? I told you to 208 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 15: never ever ever go there? Have you been going there? 209 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 4: Jimmy? 210 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: No, I didn't go there. 211 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 15: They're just from there, Jimmy, we are and I've done 212 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 15: with this conversation. You are grounded in definitely. 213 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 4: No video games, no TV, and don't forget the feet 214 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 4: and start to give the dog as medicine. 215 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 5: Hey, Dina, I'm fine to find another hotel. 216 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 6: Standing here is too much. 217 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 11: What's that? 218 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:36,599 Speaker 4: Oh? 219 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 6: I saw this lying on the table with you're old 220 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 6: year book. 221 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 5: I figured it was yours or finches. 222 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 4: No, my, mone come on in hope. 223 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 11: The driver wasn't too bad for you. 224 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 14: Ran some weather near Johnson City, But that's to be 225 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 14: expected this time of. 226 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 13: Year, ain't Julian. 227 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 16: We were worried about. 228 00:13:59,200 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 4: Who the hell can that? 229 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 8: We expecting any more surprise guests? 230 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 11: There know nothing I know of? Can I help you? 231 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 11: Comm well? 232 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 4: Who is it? 233 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 11: Jesus Christ? 234 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 17: Bobby Hadley, Hey, folks, this is Bobby Hadley of Hadley 235 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 17: Pontiac Chevrolet. 236 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 16: And if there's one thing I know, it's the importance 237 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 16: of family. With my dad had Big Bobby first open 238 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 16: Hadley Pontiac Chevrolet. He had one goal in mind to 239 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 16: give you and your family a safe, reliable ride home, 240 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 16: had a fair price. We've carried on that family tradition. 241 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 16: Isn't that right, honey, that's right baby. 242 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 14: This month we're running a special on these gorgeous family 243 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 14: bands to take your kids to school or to camp 244 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 14: out during summer break. 245 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 16: Oh you got something to add, Thomas, just as the 246 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 16: prices are out of this world. Good job, son, Hey Diacon, 247 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 16: ain't you got something to say? 248 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: Adlee bonniec Chevrolet e't a family. 249 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 6: I don't know how Bobby had. They couldn't have known 250 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 6: he was raising monsters. 251 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 5: They're checking, but. 252 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 6: There's a kind of benign neglect that leads to malignancy. 253 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 6: Being't too soft to parent, leaving children to their own 254 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 6: devices can make them into monsters. 255 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 2: Well, and not be such a pussy. 256 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 5: I'm just messing with you. 257 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,479 Speaker 6: Bobby and Mona were soft parents. Bobby busy with the dealership, 258 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 6: Mona with her wine and the Women's Club of Pottsville. 259 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 5: The boys did as they pleased, and. 260 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,119 Speaker 6: We all know how that ended. 261 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 4: At any rate. 262 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 6: After the Hathley brothers were found murdered at the mouth 263 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 6: of the cave, Bobby Havley went underground for a little 264 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 6: to mourn. 265 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 5: His whole future wiped away. 266 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 6: Mona dealt with the loss differently. She left a week 267 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 6: after the funeral, took half of their savings with her. 268 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 6: As the story goes, maybe she couldn't stand all the ghosts. 269 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 6: Bobby slowly returned to his business over the course of months, 270 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 6: still made it to church Sundays, still went to the 271 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 6: occasional town hall meeting, but he wasn't the same thinner, 272 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 6: less joe, feel less, brash, just less, a man who 273 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 6: had everything except the thing they counted. I know he 274 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 6: must have known about his grandson, Denis baby Jimmy. Everyone 275 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 6: else in town did. But he couldn't seem to reconcile 276 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 6: the thought of his beloved sons being involved in an 277 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 6: act that would lead to Jimmy's existence. And so he 278 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 6: created a wall in his mind and in his heart. 279 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 8: A wall of denial, and he kept his distance. 280 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 6: Until Jesus Christ. 281 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 5: Bobby Hadley Deputy Campbell. 282 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 12: It's just miss Campbell. 283 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 4: Now, mister Hadley, can you remember Julian Solace from the 284 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 4: trial alsoome, Oh well I am, and this is James's 285 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 4: defense attorney, mister the blank, you remember my brother, James Fincher. 286 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 7: Let's see here to support our kids. 287 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 5: Uh no, I'm here to talk to miss Fincher Dina 288 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 5: about what about the. 289 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 11: About the boy, about Jimmy. 290 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 5: Uh yeah, I was connor. 291 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 4: Let me get you some coffee. 292 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 5: Ok, okay, we. 293 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 4: Have sugar bowl. 294 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 11: We're out of milk. 295 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 5: Oh no, just black, thank you. 296 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 6: Dina went for the coffee and left Bobby standing there, 297 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 6: sweat forming on his brow, his face red, struggling to 298 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 6: Breathe normally staring at the pictures on the wall and 299 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 6: on the mantel, pictures a little Jimmy in his baseball uniform, 300 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 6: Pictures of James Fincher too, from when he was a boy. 301 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 6: I could see the wheel spinning behind his eyes. Maybe 302 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 6: the first time he'd ever considered either of those people, 303 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 6: James Fincher or his grandson Jimmy, as actual human beings. 304 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 6: Nobody said a word until Dina came back with a 305 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 6: mug of coffee. 306 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 11: Here you go. 307 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 4: What you got there the box? 308 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 5: Oh, it's just some family stuff for your son, for Jimmy, 309 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 5: in case you in case you want him to know 310 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 5: about the other side of his family, maybe we should 311 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 5: step outside. 312 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 4: No, you can say, everybody stay. What would you want 313 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 4: him to know about the other side of his family, 314 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 4: mister Hadley. 315 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 5: Well, I just I thought, I thought, why are. 316 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 4: You showing up right now here at my house? 317 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 5: I just can I put the box down? Go on, 318 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 5: Miss Spencer. I didn't mean to intrude. I mean, I 319 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 5: didn't have your number, but I've been thinking about well, 320 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 5: the past and the future, and I've been thinking about 321 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 5: all that for a very long time now, and well, 322 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 5: I didn't know. I didn't know whether I should ever 323 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 5: try to contact you, or if you'd even well, you'd 324 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 5: even be willing to listen. But now that I'm here, 325 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 5: I'm just look, I'm really sorry about everything about how 326 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 5: my God, about all the things that well, jeez, listen, 327 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 5: I've been praying about it, yes I have. And Reverend 328 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 5: Perkins came to me and suggested that maybe I come 329 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 5: talk to you, and he did it unbidden, and I thought, well, 330 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 5: I just thought, I thought, maybe that's something. Maybe that's 331 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 5: the Lord telling me the Lord. Look, all I'm saying 332 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 5: is is I want to meet him, the boy Jimmy 333 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 5: and and I don't know, just think about it, just 334 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 5: pray on it. Maybe I don't know if you pray anyway, 335 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 5: I guess just consider it and well. In the meantime, 336 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 5: I brought some things about his history about us. Look 337 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 5: them over. Please left my number in an envelope in 338 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 5: the box. I'm gonna leave you all to it. 339 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 6: Jesus Christ, cigarette break anybody. Dina went through the box immediately. 340 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 6: Old pictures going back generations, xerox copies of diaries, birth certificates, 341 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 6: an old copy of the Bible inscribed to Mona Hadley, 342 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 6: a little cross section of history, and then video tapes 343 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,719 Speaker 6: three or four Thomas and Deacon's names written in a 344 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 6: neat feminine hand on the label, and an envelope with 345 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 6: Dina's name and a slop ofier hand inside, a slip 346 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 6: of paper with Bobby's sell number on it, and a 347 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 6: check for ten thousand dollars with the memo reading for 348 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 6: the future. We wrapped up the meeting shortly thereafter. 349 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 11: Wanna beer, I don't know whiskey. 350 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 13: Yes, you don't have to watch the tapes, of course 351 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 13: I do. 352 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 11: Why do you think I'm offering you booze. 353 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 6: Huh, you're gonna consider letting them in? 354 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 4: I don't know. 355 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 11: On one hand, that family always seemed drawn to the core. 356 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 11: On the other, it's an escape plan. 357 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 4: He could go to college, he could get the fuck 358 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 4: out of here. Yeah, come, old James, think if I 359 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 4: did let him in. 360 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 6: I feel like you do understand, Dina, I really do. 361 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 11: Well the courage Dan. 362 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 10: Here. 363 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 6: The videotapes were just what you'd think old family movies 364 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 6: or with the people you hate most in the world 365 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 6: Thomas and d can plain t ball, cub Scout. 366 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 5: Pine with derbies. 367 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 6: I watched Dina watch these boys at first with a 368 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 6: cold glare and then an intense sort of curiosity, and 369 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 6: then I fell asleep. 370 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 17: Okay, okay, now do the people. 371 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 11: Julian wake up? 372 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 4: I'm up. 373 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 5: I'm up, I'm up. 374 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 11: Hey, hey, hey, you fell asleep in front of the TV. 375 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 6: Well so I did. 376 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 5: Sorry, it's a whiskey. 377 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 4: Why don't you guy splash some water on your face 378 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 4: and I'll finish up dinner. 379 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 6: That sounds good. 380 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks. 381 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 6: A little fucking monstership. 382 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 17: That's right. 383 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 5: You're thinking we were born bad? All right? 384 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 6: I mean that's out the old man things. He thinks 385 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 6: he made us monsters want the fuck. 386 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 4: Right. 387 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 6: Then the lightning strunk a transformer outside of Tina's house 388 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 6: and the power went out. 389 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 4: Fuck. 390 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 6: I moved to the window and saw the fog was back, 391 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 6: along with hundreds of screeching bats flapping by the window. 392 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 6: And minute, hey mm, put in the mailbox. 393 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 13: Oh shit, alright. 394 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 5: The bottles up. 395 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 6: Except for the TV. That is, the images of young 396 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 6: Thomas and Deacon still flickering across the screen. 397 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 2: I mean that try the best, I guess, but there's 398 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 2: only so much you can do outside influences and all. 399 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 4: I ain't shit. 400 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 5: My earliest memories are wanting to hurt stuff. I guess 401 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 5: you can turn that out of a kid. 402 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 4: If you work hard enough. 403 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 6: It's called a beautiful Leacon. 404 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 11: Yeah, Jimmy, you'll okay. 405 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 4: I think a transformer bloo man. 406 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 5: She seems to be trying her best. But that kid 407 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 5: in the other room. 408 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 10: He's got in his blood. 409 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 16: He had no problem calling that fat bitch babysitter of 410 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 16: his What she was, yny. 411 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 6: What the fuck are you talking about? 412 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 5: That's true? 413 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 4: True? 414 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 17: Oh all right, fucking now he's learning anatomy on. 415 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 5: That little bird. It's too late to stop him. The 416 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 5: boy isn't quite right. 417 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 16: In the head. 418 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 5: Neither were we there it is. 419 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 7: He's a trouble now. 420 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 10: Jny, do you know everything? 421 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 12: Okay, Duday, you know you all right? 422 00:26:55,160 --> 00:27:04,239 Speaker 6: It was too late for the bird. Apparently Jimmy had 423 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 6: used a paris so and scissors to biseck the poor creature. 424 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 9: The ghost in a mirror, and the hounds of Hell 425 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 9: Dancing in your. 426 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 10: Dancing in. 427 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: The Manawalk Caves stars Jonathan Tucker as Julian Sawas, Eddie 428 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: Gatheggi as James Fincher, Clark Peters as Detective Solomon Smith, 429 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: Nick Cercy as Sheriff Kirby Hooper, Justin Welborn as Tyler Wilson, 430 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: Jill Jane Clements as Jill can Hambell, Brad Carter as 431 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: Dooleye Tappert, Scott Poythrus as Reverend Perkins, Samantha Ashley as 432 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: Dena Fincher, Justin Matthew Smith as Paul Sallace, Tara Oakes 433 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: as Laura Sallas, Jonathan Horn as Deacon Hadley, Alden Karanovitch 434 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: as Thomas Hadley, Mike w Anderson as Griff Washington Body, 435 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: Walterroff as Jimmy Fincher, Brian McClure as Ian Speinks, Larry 436 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: Clark as Bobby Hadley, Payden Fallis as ed La Blanc, 437 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: Vic Palisis as William Fowler, Nick Takosky as Richard Rydell, 438 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: and Aileen Loy as The Darkness, with additional performances by 439 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: Clint McGown, Dina Dill, Edward Howard, Henry Foster Brown, Jamie Joseph, 440 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: Juan Monsalvez, Christopher Curry, Bailey Hineman, David Mitchell, and Bernard 441 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: Sataro Clark. 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