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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With

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Speaker 1: tech stuff from how stuff Works dot com. By there,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the podcast. My name is Chris Paul Atam,

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Speaker 1: an editor here at how Stuff Works, and today I

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Speaker 1: have sitting next to me Jonathan Strickland, one of our writers, yes,

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Speaker 1: one of many, yep, yep. And you know he's always

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Speaker 1: someone who likes to look for that silver lining cloud. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and this time we're actually looking at the cloud around

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Speaker 1: the silver lining. That's kind of funny you would say that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know we uh, we've actually done a whole series

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Speaker 1: of articles on cloud computing and two podcasts and um,

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Speaker 1: that's because it's it's such a hot topic. Um. And

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Speaker 1: you know, it's very popular in the news right now

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Speaker 1: and something that I imagine many of our listeners were

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Speaker 1: But what we're talking about when we say cloud computing,

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Speaker 1: for those of you who don't know, UM, is basically

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Speaker 1: in a in a very small nutshell, applications and storage

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Speaker 1: that is web based, so you you don't save files

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Speaker 1: they're all stored online so that you don't have to say,

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Speaker 1: you can all work from the same foundation article or

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Speaker 1: or document. Um. For anyone who's ever done any collaboration,

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Speaker 1: it can It can be really frustrating to work with

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Speaker 1: getting all those copies back together and and and trying

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Speaker 1: So cloud computing gives you the opportunity to have multiple

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Speaker 1: is a far cry from the way things used to be. Exactly,

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Speaker 1: But there is a dark side to cloud computing insert

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Speaker 1: thunder noise here. Yeah, um right, Because you're talking about

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Speaker 1: A very popular cloud computing platform right now, um is

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