1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotlieb Show podcast. Be 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday three to five, 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at Foxsports Radio dot com, 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: by searching apps car Boom Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show, 7 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio Dead No, dude, doo, dude. Do hope 8 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: you're having a great day. The Doug Gottlieb Show broadcast 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: live every single day, same bad time, same bat channel. 10 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: We have a hell of a show for you. John 11 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: Rose is going to join us this hour, of course, 12 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 1: all things major League Baseball, including what's the deal with 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: the Dodgers? Height? What's the deal with the Dodgers? You know, 14 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: I was talking with Jason Stewart earlier today and yeah, 15 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: then we we kind of discussed Bulderham. Remember the what's 16 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: the line from Bulderham about shower shoes? 17 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 2: Jay Stu, if you win twenty games on the show, 18 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: you're colorful. If you don't, you're a swamp. 19 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you have fungus on your shower shoes? Right, 20 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: And I use that because it's sort of where we 21 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: are with Baker Mayfield, right. Baker Mayfield now has become 22 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: this classic underdog, lovable quarterback, kind of similar to when 23 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: he was at Texas Tech as a freshman walk on starting, 24 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: or kind of similar to most of the time at 25 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: Oklahoma where he's a former walk on transfer who became 26 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: a star. You know, all of those things, all of 27 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: those things to me are related in that you know, 28 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: now he's beloved and by Baker's own insistence, he hasn't changed. 29 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: He's like, hey, I'm the same guy. Now you love me, 30 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: you used to hate me. Here's Baker Mayfield when he's 31 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: asked about the critics who say he's been sured. 32 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 3: I told you, guys, try and not get too high 33 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 3: and not get too low, which is something that I 34 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 3: was not doing early on in my career. But you know, 35 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 3: early on in my career, yeah, it's looked as cocky, immature. 36 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 3: Now it's moxie. He's a dog. So it's same different days. 37 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 3: Just as long as you play well, they change the narrative. 38 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 3: But you just got to be yourself. And I've always 39 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 3: been like that. 40 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a little I'm not torn, I'm not conflicted. 41 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: I think that a lot of these things, a lot 42 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: of these stories I'm gonna throw at you, kind of 43 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: all work together. So Odell Beckham Junior was with him 44 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: in Cleveland. Now, remember we're taking a snapshot of today 45 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: and using it for our snapshot of when he was 46 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: in Cleveland. And he's like, look, I'm the same guy 47 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: I am today. On the other hand, he did contextualize it. 48 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: I was more emotional then, but I'm the same guy 49 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: I was today that I was in Cleveland. You're just 50 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: judging me differently. It's fair because when he was in Cleveland, 51 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: he was the number one overall pick. He's in Cleveland, 52 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: he's the former Heisman Trophy winner. Was in Cleveland. People 53 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: tried to sell us on this underdog status. But when 54 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: you're the number one overall pick in the NFL drafting 55 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: me the Heighschman Trophy winner, you are no longer an 56 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: upper underdog. So there is part of it where he 57 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: struggled with the old Shakespearean line heavy as the head 58 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: that wears the crown. He was the king of Cleveland, 59 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: and he had been annoyed that king by being the 60 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: number one overall draft pick. His GM who drafted him, 61 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: said he's like Brett Favre. I mean, like you're talking 62 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: about deity like status. Also should be remembered that Odell 63 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: Beckham Junior was on the team and part of Baker's 64 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,839 Speaker 1: downfall was the fracture in their relationship or the lack 65 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: of respect Obji had for Baker Mayfield OBJ, who we 66 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: don't know. We think he may be out of football. 67 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: Of course, he got caught with peds. So even if 68 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: he does try and come back, he suspended. He's making 69 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: the rounds and he said this on a podcast this 70 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: week about the Giants. All Right, we'll get to that 71 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: in a second. That's okay, we'll get to that in 72 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: a second. I'll relate it to you and I'll kind 73 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: of bring it all together in one second. Okay, let 74 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: me know when you have that cut there, Sammy. Okay. 75 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: So we have to understand that part of how we 76 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: viewed Baker was we were watching Odell Beckham Junior, who 77 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: was widely regarded as one of the best of not 78 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: the best wide receiver in the league, when he was 79 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: dealt to the Browns and when that didn't work, and 80 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: Obj's dad called out Baker on social media, immediately we 81 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: started to look at Baker differently. Here's OBJ earlier this week, not. 82 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 4: A semi a bit of me that I feel like 83 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 4: the sent me off. I've said it before, sent me 84 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 4: off to Cleveland to die. You know, they could have 85 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 4: I could have went to the forty nine ers, I 86 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 4: could have went to the Patriots. I could have went 87 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 4: to teams that had, you know, a chance to be great. 88 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 4: And that's not what their desire was their desire. You 89 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 4: can't tell me that this was the best trade package 90 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 4: we could have got for you know, your desire was 91 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 4: to you know, kind of put me over a little bit. 92 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 4: It's how I feel. You know, you feel like I 93 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 4: made a fool of view of the organization and that 94 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 4: was never truly like my intention. Like I'm just that competitive, 95 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 4: Like I wanted to win, like I always wanted to win. 96 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 4: I'm tired of being six and ten. We haven't done 97 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 4: anything to make changes. Eli's going out. You know, I'm 98 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 4: texting Eli, like your seventh on the list, you know 99 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 4: what I mean, like for the greatest of all time, 100 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 4: like I want to be I want to see Eli 101 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 4: go out with another super Bowl. Like we're not putting 102 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 4: the pieces around them, and I feel like I was 103 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 4: being wasted as well. Like that's how you know, like 104 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 4: stats is cool, and like when you losing, it doesn't 105 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 4: feel like okay, cool, I had thirteen whatever fourteen hundred rds, 106 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 4: just be any touchdowns like oh you lost? 107 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean all that stuff about losing is great. 108 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: I think the thing you heard from his voice was 109 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: he didn't want to be in Cleveland. He viewed Cleveland 110 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: as as a bad franchise. What's amazing about it was 111 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: when he was in Cleveland, they actually had a chance 112 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: right Cleveland, when Baker was the quarterback, you know, his 113 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: first year seven wins to six year, the second year 114 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: six wins. But in twenty twenty, twenty twenty, Baker's on 115 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: the team. They have Kareem Hunt, who was at that 116 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: had Nick Chubb, who's a thousand yard back, Kareem Hunt, 117 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: who's an eight hundred yard back. Remember, they had Jarvis 118 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: Landry who was friends with Odell Beckham and Odell Beckham junior. 119 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: Like they had a squad. He's it's really interesting at 120 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: that point in time, with that personnel, Cleveland should have 121 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: had a chance to go to a super Bowl. They 122 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: won eleven games that year. So he's acting like OBJ 123 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: is acting like they sent him to Football Siberia. They didn't. 124 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: They didn't send him to the worst team in the league. 125 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: They sent him to one of the better team, one 126 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: of the more talented teams in the league. And he got 127 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: to be with Baker Mayfield, who he wanted to play with, 128 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: or he thought he wanted to play with at the time. 129 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: And then you run into the Baker and how he's viewed, 130 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: and he was immature, and Baker by his own estimation, 131 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: his own words, by the way, was I was immature. 132 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: I was too emotional like that. So how can you 133 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: make it make sense? Dog? How do you bring this 134 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: all together? I can tell you that in building a 135 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: college basketball program, and Green Bay, Wisconsin in a program 136 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: that you know, the year before me they had a 137 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: breakout season and they won a team, but previously that 138 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: single digit wins in previous in the two previous years 139 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: and single digit wins in my first year, that when 140 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: you take over a program that's struggling, and for us 141 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: obviously now in college athletics, you're paying people, much like 142 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: in the NFL, you've got to figure out who wants 143 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: to be there and who's only there because they're I'm 144 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: only here because I don't want to get fined. I 145 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: want here because I want to get paid. Because part 146 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: of diving into a place is diving into being there 147 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: and to properly paint. What happened to Baker, what happened 148 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: to OBJ, what happened to the Browns was they had 149 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: all of this talent, but Odell Beckham Junior didn't want 150 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: to be there. Baker Mayfield was too immature and too emotional. 151 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: Plus he was fighting the fact that for the first 152 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: time ever in his life, he wasn't an underdog. He 153 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: wanted to carry the underdog status, but he wasn't. You 154 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: can't make yourself into an underdog when you played played 155 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: for NASH Championship, when you've been a Heisman Trophy winner, 156 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: when you've been the number one overall pick with the 157 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: number one overall pick in the NFL draft, no matter, 158 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: if you start your career as a walk on, you 159 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: are no longer an underdog. So he struggled to carry 160 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: that crown. OBJ didn't want to be there, and OBJ 161 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: slowly but surely undid any of the credibility of Baker Mayfield. 162 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: Because his dad goes on social media and calls out 163 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: Baker for missing throws and missing reads. Let's properly contextualize it. 164 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: I'm listen. I'm always been good with Baker. I have 165 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: you go back in and look when he came out 166 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: of the draft, came out to the draft, I was 167 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: on Colhert Show, and I said what everybody Norman has 168 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: ever said to me, It doesn't matter what fans think, 169 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: what media thinks. His teammates love him, love him, would 170 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: run through a brick wall for him. What scouts always 171 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: told me was better as the underdog, better when surrounded 172 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: by really good players. Gotta have great players, because it's 173 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: not like he's crazy talented. He's just smart, tough and 174 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: will will do things, will play above his level. But 175 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: he's got to level up with guys that are better 176 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: than him to make plays. He can't bring them necessarily 177 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: to a higher level. That's not who he is in 178 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: the National Football League. And so when you're building these 179 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: things college pro, maybe even in high school, the first 180 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: thing is you gotta build with guys that want to 181 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: be there. The second thing is you gotta know, okay, 182 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: who is who's better is the underdog, who's better is 183 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: the favorite? And they had to all be pulling the 184 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: same direction. But Baker kind of contextual, kind of gave 185 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: gave everybody an out by saying, well, yeah, I was 186 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: too up and down, too emotional, but I'm the same guy. Like, no, 187 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: you just told everybody you've changed, you evolved, only you 188 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: want to You want us to feel bad about pointing 189 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: out your immaturity. Back when he got to the Browns, heck, 190 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: I'd give him a pass as being immature. No one's 191 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: ready to be a face of a franchise when you're 192 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: just a walk on a couple of years previously. That's 193 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: a meteoric rise, the likes of which we've rarely seen 194 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: in the NFL. But that's what happened, and he wasn't 195 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: ready for it. He wasn't ready for dealing with the 196 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: type of personality of Odell Beckham Junior. The Browns weren't 197 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: ready to deal with a dad who's out there tweeting 198 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: out all twenty two videos of the quarterback trying to 199 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: free up his son. No one was ready for all that. 200 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: And maybe that stuff doesn't work in Cleveland, right. What 201 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: works in Cleveland is three yards and a pile of dust. 202 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: What works in Cleveland is just finding team guys, Guys 203 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: that want to be there, guys that want to be 204 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: a part of it. Maybe guys that don't need top 205 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: bitter when they're signing a free agent contract. We've talked 206 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: a lot about the Browns over the last two days 207 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: because they just trade away Joe Flacco, who has moved 208 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: to be a backup and we're still waiting to night 209 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: out of store standers is ultimately backup. But when I 210 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: heard Baker Mayfield say, Hey, all these critics, basically same 211 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: guys that are now supporting me are the same guys 212 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: that are killing me, I think he's lacking the proper 213 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: context in it. 214 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 5: I just do. 215 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: All right. It's Doug gotlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio. 216 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: So last night, the Yankee season came to an end, 217 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 1: but something else felt like it came to an end 218 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 1: as well. What do we do with Clayton Kershaw's legacy? Legacy? 219 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 6: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug 220 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 6: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on 221 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 6: Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 222 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. 223 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: It was a hard watch last night with the Dodgers 224 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: in the eighth inning, So, uh, seventh inning, Clayton Kershaw 225 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: comes in the game, and I mean he survived, right, 226 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: he survived. Uh he ends up putting you know runners 227 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: on base. Tasker Hernandez makes two outstanding plays in right field. 228 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: You know they they throw a guy out at at 229 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: home K k Hernandez throws the dude down or no, 230 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: was it Taoskar throws a guy out at home K 231 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: k Hernandez with like all three outs were fantastic defensive plays, 232 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: and say get they go into the dugout. I remember 233 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: this is in La. So you get to the bottom 234 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: of the seventh inning and down three, get three to one. 235 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: Clayton Kershaw looked like a defeated man. He looked like 236 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: he didn't have his stuff. So in the bottom half 237 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: of the seventh inning, the third out, with shohey o 238 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: Tani coming within, I'm gonna go three feet of hitting 239 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: the ball over the fence and making it a three 240 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: to two ball game because it was at the very 241 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: back of the warning track. But you know, you still 242 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: got a couple more feet to go. I'd say a 243 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: yard further and it clears the wall four or five 244 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: feet further. It clears the wall and then some and 245 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: it's out of the left fielder's reach. But they were 246 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: that close to making it a one run game at 247 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: home with an incredible lineup at Chevez Ravine. Granted, they 248 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: were struggling to do anything with Philly's pitching staff. So 249 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: what did the Dodgers do. They threw him back out there. 250 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: Threw him back out there, and what happened next is 251 00:14:55,080 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: it just wasn't pretty. Kershaw got shelled. The defense also 252 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: looks shoddy, as I'm sure they got anybody anybody's been 253 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: on a team. When the pitcher can't get anybody out 254 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: and they're hitting rockets, it'll cause you to make airrs. 255 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: And what was a three to one game became an 256 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: eight to one game, ultimately an eight two game in 257 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: the bottom of the ninth inning. Kershaw pitch two full innings, 258 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: gives up six hits, four earned runs, five runs total, 259 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: walks three, gives up two home runs, and most of 260 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: the reason he was brought in was because they won 261 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: the lefty lefty matchup with Kyle Schwarber, who had hit 262 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: one in the parking lot earlier in the game, and 263 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: he hit another one out against Kershaw. There's a couple 264 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: of takeaways I have from this, and then I would 265 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: love your thoughts, Jason Stewart, because you've watched more of 266 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: Clayton Kershaw's games than anybody in our building, and I'm 267 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: guessing anybody who's listening, and he watched almost all the 268 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: Dodger games this year. The first thing is this, Clayton 269 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: Kershaw had a really good year regular season in pitching. 270 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: What you saw last night is the difference in regular 271 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: season and postseason. Remember the regular season this year, Clayton 272 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: Kershaw eleven and two, three point three six era, really 273 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: surprising year in what will be his last year as 274 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: a Dodger at thirty seven years old. I mean, it's good. 275 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: But if you want the difference, and you can tell 276 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: me he didn't have his stuff, that's fine. And I'm 277 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: not sitting here telling you that he's not a Hall 278 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: of Famer, he's not an all time great. It diminishes 279 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: anything at all. What it does is it diminishes regular 280 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: season versus postseason. This is the perfect example of how 281 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: much more difficult postseason baseball is because you're facing a 282 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: lineup that everybody is locked in on one thing on 283 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: the scattering port. There's not You're not playing three and 284 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: then getting on a plane and playing three and then 285 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: getting on a plane and having a day off and 286 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 1: playing four and getting on a plane and taking a 287 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: day off and then play in two and then play 288 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: in three. They're not doing that. You're focused on one team, 289 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: one scout, you know, one serve source of analytic data, 290 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: and you got to be ready to go, and the 291 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: Phillies were. And if you have anything less than electric stuff, 292 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: that's what happens to you. Baseball has two different seasons, 293 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: and if you want to know how different those seasons are, 294 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: watch Clayton Kershaw the regular season. Watch Clayton Kershaw. Last night, 295 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: every out he got seemed more like luck than every 296 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: run they scored. But then it brings up the really 297 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: curious question, which is I understand why you gave him 298 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: a look and maybe you want to save some of 299 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: the bullpen in the seventh and I get that once 300 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: it got out of hand, once they hit a home run, 301 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: it was six to three, you're like, or six to one, 302 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: you're like, Ah, just leave him out there. Why send 303 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: him back out there in the eighth inning, It's only 304 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: a two game. You got five arms in the bullpen, 305 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: Jase dou help me out. Let's start with the second one. 306 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: They worked back to the first one. Why do you 307 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: think Dave Roberts stuck him out there in the eighth 308 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: inning after getting shelled in the seventh inning and they 309 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: survived to not give up a run when he was 310 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: in there. 311 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 2: I think Dave has been accused of a lot of things, 312 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 2: and I think maybe a loyalty to some of the 313 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 2: vets is one of the biggest things that he's accused of. 314 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 2: I think that it was almost like he wanted to 315 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 2: give Kershaw a chance to make good have a clean inning, 316 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 2: and then when it went south. We've seen a history 317 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 2: of this, recent history of this with the Dodgers. They're 318 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 2: more than willing to punt postseason games and wind up 319 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 2: the pitching for the next few games. We found out 320 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 2: after the game that Tanner Scott, the guy they paid 321 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: to be a closer who had a horrible season, was 322 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 2: out for personal reasons. So he would have been the 323 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 2: guy to take all the bullets in that eighth inning 324 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,719 Speaker 2: happened to be Clayton Kershaw, which was really could just 325 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 2: sad for us. Dodger fans. That's the last time we 326 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: see him on the mound at Dodger Stadium. That's just sad. 327 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 2: It sucked. There's no other way to put it. I 328 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: think you summed it up pretty nicely. Hard to watch. 329 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 2: I don't know exactly why Dave brought him out. He 330 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: said something along the line of we like the matchup 331 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 2: and then it got out of hand. But yeah, it 332 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 2: was sad. 333 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was That was a tough one to watch 334 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: because to anybody who knows anything about baseball, You're like, 335 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:36,479 Speaker 1: there's one of the greatest pictures of this era, and 336 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: then he gets shelled and do what do I think 337 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: that they survive and go to next round? Yeah? I 338 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: do think. You know, they still have two games to 339 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: win one, and obviously you'd like to win that at 340 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: the Ravine, not go back to Philadelphia. 341 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 2: But uh, there is one thing that that that you 342 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 2: did not add. You got, you got almost all of 343 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: it perfect. It's just that he's not a relief pitcher, 344 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: so the processing getting ready as relievers a whole lot different. 345 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna give him some grace on this. I 346 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 2: think the last time he pitched in the postseason and 347 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 2: relief was in twenty seventeen Series nineteen. 348 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: It wasn't in the World Series during COVID. 349 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 2: No, No, that was that was the guy that beat 350 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: his wife Kershaw pitch, I think in twenty nineteen or 351 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen in relief, if not both. And he just 352 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: hasn't been doing it. So you add his age, you 353 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,719 Speaker 2: add the fact that he's just very hittable, his slider 354 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 2: wasn't working, and then the process of going in this 355 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: isn't his regular routine. So yeah, it sucked. 356 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess, I guess the question becomes, 357 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: if they win in Game four with a completely fresh 358 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: and rested bullpen, is he like the MVP because he 359 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 1: took all the bullets but it was hard to watch. 360 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: I mean, he literally couldn't get anybody out. And and look, 361 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: part of this is this is this is why I'm 362 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: I will never change my stance on steroid guys in baseball, Okay, 363 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: because what happens with natural age and natural progression, and 364 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: Kershaw's the perfect example of it. He went from being 365 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: a great thrower who could pitch to being kind of 366 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: the combination of pitcher who could throw, and then he 367 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: had to his last couple of years. It was all 368 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: guile and intelligence and location and scouting and timing and 369 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: being a lefty and crafty knowing he had very good 370 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: stuff anymore. But he could still, you know, find a 371 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: way to get through six or seven and the Dodgers 372 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: have the best lineup in baseball and get it done. 373 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 1: But that's that's actually normal. It's normal aging. It's like 374 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: what would all of us look like if we don't 375 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: get hair transplant surgery and botox and take ozembic. Right, 376 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: there's a natural regression through age, like gray hairs are okay. 377 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: But steroids changed that, right, Remember Roger Clemens was going 378 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: through a regression when he was in Boston. Then he 379 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: goes to Toronto and all reports are that's when he 380 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: started using steroids and now he's the best pitcher of baseball. 381 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: That was sad, but that's usually what it looks like. 382 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: On your way out, Hitters look overwhelmed. Pitchers can't get 383 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: anybody out. Now here's the big question. Does it change 384 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: the series? Does it change the series? It's the Doug 385 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. He's Fox Sports 386 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: Radios MOLB Insider and the MLB MLB Network Reporter John Rossi, 387 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: he joins us as we're right in the middle, right 388 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: in the middle of October and DS baseball. The Yankees 389 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: are at home, the Dodgers still need to win a game. 390 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: The Cubs force force force to fourth game, just like 391 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: the Phillies did as well, and then of course you 392 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: got Detroit and Seattle of the series that people have forgotten. John, 393 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: Let's start with the Dodgers. I get why you give 394 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: Clayton Kershaw a look out of the bullpen seventh, but 395 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: it's three to one. Show Hey hits the ball to 396 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: the warning track, he come into the eighth inning, they 397 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: throw him back out there when he clearly didn't have 398 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: his stuff. Did the Dodgers wave the white flag late 399 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: in yesterday's game? 400 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 7: Doug, Good, afternoon. It is a very interesting question, and 401 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 7: certainly I'll say this, Kershaw had played well enough during 402 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 7: the stretch run of the regular season to at least 403 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 7: create some positivity and optimism that he'd be able to 404 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 7: be competitive, if not potentially a difference maker for this 405 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 7: team in the postseason. Clearly last night was a counter 406 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 7: argument to that optimism. And I would say, Doug that 407 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 7: it was the second inning in him going back out there. 408 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 7: That might be the thing that is garnering the most 409 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 7: second guessing today. I think you're right that the Dodgers 410 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 7: had decided that they were not going to chase that 411 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 7: win yesterday with their best bullpen pieces, and that they're 412 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 7: going to leave Kershaw in there. But it really was 413 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 7: a tough way to see him go out if in 414 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 7: fact that is his last professional outing. There was a 415 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 7: beautiful send off at the end of the regular season. 416 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 7: Yesterday felt very different in that setting. And now I 417 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,479 Speaker 7: think Doug that the question becomes with Glass now starting 418 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 7: Game four. He is not someone who has really gone 419 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 7: deep into games, and that might be the one bit 420 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 7: of important context for Dave Roberts and the Dodgers that 421 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 7: they knew that their Game four starter is someone who 422 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 7: doesn't take you deep into games. You know that your 423 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 7: bullpen is going to have to be ready and certainly 424 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 7: able to cover multiple innings. In relief of Glass now 425 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 7: here in Game four, that they probably did have to 426 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 7: play with the long term in mind and to give 427 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 7: themselves the best chance to win Game four and game 428 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 7: by even though Doug, they do not want to go 429 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 7: back to Philadelphia, as great as they look there at 430 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 7: games one and two, it is hard to take your 431 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 7: chances of winning a winner take all game at Citizens Bank. 432 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: Park, s Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, 433 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: I would tend to agree with you there. Let's let's 434 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,959 Speaker 1: get to have you seen a ball hit as hard 435 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: as Swarber's ball was hit the first. 436 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 7: Home run, My goodness, one of the hardest hit balls 437 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 7: certainly that I've ever seen. Actually, I was at the 438 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 7: game yesterday in Detroit. Riley Green had one of the 439 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 7: hardest hit balls he's ever had in that ballpark. That 440 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 7: was absolutely scorched. But I just think with Schwarber, the 441 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 7: iconic location of Dodger Stadium, and we all, anybody has 442 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 7: ever been fortunate enough to see a game at Dodger 443 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 7: Stadium knows exactly how far that pavilion is, exactly how 444 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 7: far the extreme reach of that stadium is. And to 445 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 7: be able to put a ball that distance from home 446 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 7: plate and project it against this backdrop that we've seen 447 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 7: so many iconic October moments, Doug, I just think stood 448 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 7: out to a lot of us as being a truly 449 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 7: unique October moment. And now the Phillies, It's amazing what 450 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 7: one game, one inning one swing can do. It seems 451 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 7: as though just over a couple innings yesterday, Doug, the 452 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 7: Phillies got their attitude back. And this is a very 453 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 7: very confident group that got away. I think from their 454 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 7: confidence in games one and two a little bit. They're 455 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 7: one went away, one really good rally away from bringing 456 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 7: this whole series right back to Philly, and they've got 457 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 7: the right guy in the mount for them. Tonight they 458 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 7: were able to win a game that was started by 459 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 7: Nola yesterday, which was really crucial for them. So I 460 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 7: think they're feeling good, and all of a sudden, I 461 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 7: think the Dodgers have a little bit of pressure on 462 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 7: them to wrap this thing up at home, because I 463 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 7: think they want no part of having to take that 464 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 7: cross country trip and deal with a really, really repped 465 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 7: up fan base there in Philadelphia. 466 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: What happens now with the Yankees, you know, Doug, it's. 467 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 7: An important question. I I don't think that Aaron Boone 468 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 7: will get dismissed. I don't think he should. I think 469 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 7: Aaron Boone is done with the pieces that he's been given. 470 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 7: And I think what what Alex and the guys were 471 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 7: talking about in the panel last night on the Box. 472 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 7: I think it was correct in a lot of ways. 473 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 7: It was a roster that was not the easiest to manage. 474 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 7: But when you look at the rosters that are are 475 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 7: thriving right now, the team that just knocked the Yankees out, 476 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 7: the Blue Jays, more athletic, better defense, more adaptability, and 477 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 7: just deeper, a deeper roster. I think the Yankees had 478 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 7: a roster of pieces that didn't quite fit. And when 479 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 7: you look at that, and you look at the job 480 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 7: that Boone has done, as long as Judge remains on 481 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 7: board with Boone, and I think he is, then I 482 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 7: have a hard time thinking that the Yankees are going 483 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 7: to make this change if it's against the wishes of 484 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 7: their superstar, who is of course under contract for longer 485 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 7: than anybody else in that organization save ownership. So that's 486 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 7: what I look at. Maybe they'll make some coaching staff changes, 487 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 7: they will certainly have to make some adjustice to their lineup, 488 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 7: and Doug. The scary part of your the Yankees is, 489 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 7: I guess these two things. Number One, you're still not 490 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 7: sure exactly Garrett Cole, your one coming back from surgery, 491 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 7: what he's going to be able to do for you. 492 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 7: And the second part of it is a lot of 493 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 7: your other key players this season, Trent Grisham and Cody 494 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 7: Bellinger to name two, are free agents. So the Yankees 495 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 7: have some work to do to just get back to 496 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 7: being as good as they were this year, which was 497 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 7: not good enough. And of course it's all happening. The 498 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 7: Mets have their own questions, so it's going to be 499 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 7: a very very busy off the in a reporting I 500 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 7: think for all all of my colleagues who are based 501 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 7: there in New York City. 502 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, John, 503 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: I'm I'm trying to figure out the Cubs Brewers did 504 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: put a runner, a second nobody out down a run 505 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: in the eighth inning, So the Cubs kind of survived 506 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: the Brewers. But do you think they can carry over 507 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: this momentum and win two more? 508 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 7: The Brewers are the better team. The Brewers, I believe 509 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 7: will eventually win this series. I think they're a little 510 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 7: bit deeper, They're a little more creative and how they 511 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 7: can potentially approach you with their different bullpen games and 512 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 7: other philosophies like that. I just think they're a better team. 513 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 7: But I tell you what, Doug the baseball world is 514 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 7: getting to know Michael Bush, who, in my opinion, is 515 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 7: one of the more overlooked really good young players in 516 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 7: Major League Baseball. A thirty plus homer bad at first base, 517 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 7: he was really just blocked from playing time in LA 518 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 7: because he was behind Freddie Freeman. So the Cubs very 519 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 7: wisely acquired from the Dodgers and look at the poweries 520 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 7: bringing down the leadoff spot. He's been able to do 521 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 7: that multiple times in this series. So I'm a big 522 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 7: Michael Bush fan. I just think that overall, top to bottom, 523 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 7: the better fundamental team, the better team, the deeper roster 524 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 7: belongs to the Brewers. And wouldn't that be quite a 525 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 7: contrast If it ends up being one of the smallest 526 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 7: markets in all of sports, Milwaukee going up against either 527 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 7: of the Phillies the Dodgers for the National League Championship, 528 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 7: that's still what I see is the most likely outcome. 529 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 7: Although you've got to give the Cubs some credit for 530 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 7: being adaptable enough, and of course that Matthew Boyd a 531 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 7: huge task for him tonight. He did not look good 532 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 7: in Game one. There were some mistakes made defensively behind him. 533 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 7: And now for Matthew a real chance to make amends 534 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 7: for that here in a crucial Game four at home. 535 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the Detroit Seattle series. 536 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 7: It's all about Trek Scuoble on the mound, and and 537 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 7: he has been beaten by the Mariners multiple times this season. 538 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 7: And of course he didn't take the loss in Game 539 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 7: two on Sunday, but the Maryers were able to win 540 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 7: that game that he started. I tend to think that 541 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 7: a picture of scoobl's ability and mental strength will just 542 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 7: will his team to a victory and a winner take 543 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 7: all game in Seattle. Of course, you know the backstory. Well, 544 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 7: he went to college there. There's a lot of different 545 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 7: threads of his narrative that intersect with that city. So 546 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 7: it's an ideal stage Friday night, the only game going 547 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 7: in baseball. And and yet at the flip side of things, 548 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 7: Seattle to me, Doug, when everything is firing, they have 549 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 7: the better lineup. They showed that in my opinion in 550 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 7: Game three before the Tigers then were able to flip 551 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 7: the script and just stringing us really good at bats, 552 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 7: where all of a sudden they turned the clock back 553 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 7: to June when they were the best team in baseball 554 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 7: for stretch at the time, so it's a really interesting dynamic. 555 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 7: I think it's going to be Schooble getting to win. 556 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 7: I just have a hard time believing that the Tigers 557 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 7: are going to lose four schoobl starts to the same 558 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 7: team in one year, he's bound to get a victory 559 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 7: against Seattle. And if he does that, plaintively headed east 560 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 7: from Seattle to Toronto for the Tigers to have a 561 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 7: chance to play the Jays in the postseason for the 562 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 7: very first time. And of course, the Tigers haven't won 563 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 7: World Series since eighty four, the Jays not since ninety three, 564 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 7: so some serious droughts would be potentially expunged if that 565 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 7: ends up being the match up. And honestly, it ends 566 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 7: up in Seattle, so it's quite a story too, because 567 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 7: Seattle the only active franchise, Doug that has never been 568 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 7: the World Series. 569 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: Crazy stuff. Hey, John, you're the best man. Love your energy, 570 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: love your passion, love how you cover the sport and 571 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: give us your own thoughts and it comes from such 572 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: a place of knowledge. Thanks for being our guest on 573 00:32:58,960 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Tridio. 574 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 7: Hey thanks, Doug, really appreciate it. Always enjoying the time 575 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 7: of year. 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Kyle Schwarber his first 586 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 8: postseason home run of the year. It's his twenty second 587 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 8: of his career, and with a lightning strike, the Phillies 588 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 8: tie it up at one. 589 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: That's our Tyraq play of the day. 590 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 6: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug 591 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 6: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific. 592 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: That's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. 593 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: Be sure to check out our brand new YouTube Champ's 594 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: just search Stug Gotlip Show on YouTube Again. That's Doug 595 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: Gotlieb Show. Be sure to hit the subscribe button and 596 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: don't you stop there. Hit the thumbs up kind of 597 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: comment away. Let me know if you agree with my text, 598 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: and if you don't, I don't care. Just check out 599 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: the brand new YouTube channel, Doug Gottlieb Show and subscribe. 600 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: Let's get to the press, Let's get to a game. 601 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 6: This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show. 602 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: Dan, what's the game today? 603 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 5: All right, Doug? The game today is. 604 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:27,800 Speaker 6: I feel a draft? 605 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 5: All right? Drafting today most memorable backup quarterbacks? Doug, you 606 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 5: have the first pick. Sam is second, Jason third. Then 607 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 5: I have the fourth pick, and then we reverse it 608 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 5: in that order for the second round. Doug, you're on 609 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 5: the clock. 610 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 7: Uh. 611 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: Jeff Hostetler, New York Giants, Super Bowl champion quarterback. 612 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 5: Easy enough. It's the first name that I wrote down. Iowa, Sam, 613 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 5: you are up second. 614 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 9: Let's go with another Super Bowl champion quarterback coming off 615 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 9: the bench, Nick Foles, Philadelphia. 616 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 5: Eagles, Philly Sam. That's a good old Philly special. Yes, 617 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 5: all right, Jason steak. 618 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 2: You Dan, I'll take it from here. Uh. Trent Green's 619 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 2: backup quarterback in nineteen ninety nine was a guy named 620 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 2: Kurt Warner. Maybe you've heard he went on to the 621 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 2: Super Bowl title. 622 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: I think you just outed us good draft boom. 623 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 5: Well, it's fitting because I felt Kurt Warner was a 624 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 5: part of this conversation. We're going outside the box here. 625 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 5: You could call it Iowa samming it up. Basically, any 626 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 5: Packer quarterback under Mike Holmgren or that regime, even even 627 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 5: I would throw an Aaron Brooks, who wasn't on the 628 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 5: team when Holme Grin was there, but he was there 629 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 5: the year after. There was a point where every backup 630 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 5: quarterback was just of extreme value and had great success 631 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 5: if you even stopped in Green Bay and it went 632 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 5: from Mark Brunell, Ty Detmer, Matt Hasselbeck ends up following 633 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 5: Holme Grin to Seattle. It was crazy time. 634 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: So got in trouble sleeping in Seattle. 635 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 5: And in fact, when Hasselbeck got there, he actually didn't 636 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 5: have great success at first. They needed Trent Dilford to 637 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 5: come in and save the day for a while. So 638 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,240 Speaker 5: I'm doing any Green Bay quarterback under Mike holm Grin 639 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 5: or at least shortly after, and then because of that 640 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 5: have another connection Steve Young. 641 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: Ah, that was I was I was I was thinking 642 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: I was wondering if he would still be there. 643 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'm gonna take Steve Young in San Francisco 644 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 5: at number five. 645 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 2: Jason Stewart, I think this guy qualifies as a backup, right. 646 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 2: Doug Flutie was Rob Johnson the main guy in Buffalo 647 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 2: and didn't also Doug Flutie come in for a Bears 648 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 2: quarterback at something? 649 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 5: Great? 650 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 2: Great backup story, Doug Flutie. 651 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 9: All right, Sam, We'll go with Fitzmagic himself, Ryan Fitzpatrick, 652 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 9: who had a long career, started a lot of seasons 653 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 9: and ended a lot of seasons holding the clipboard. 654 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 5: But a long, good, solid career. It came out of Harvard, right, Yeah, 655 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 5: many of Jersey's Yeah, many teams. I don't know. Let 656 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 5: me let me double check in that Harvard thing. Right, 657 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 5: you play it? Didn't you play at Harvard? Cuts worn? 658 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 5: All right, Doug, you get the final pick? 659 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: Okay? 660 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 5: Earl Moral Mmmm? 661 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: Earl Moral Baltimore. I know you know who Earl Moral is. 662 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 5: Sam never heard of him. 663 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 2: Jay stew seventy two Dolphins. 664 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 1: Right, correct. Bob Greasey was the starter. Bob Greasey got hurt. 665 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: Earl Morel came in right. 666 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 5: Oh jeez, I think you're talking about United and the Colts. 667 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was United too. 668 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: Back, but he was the undefeated seventy two. The nineteen 669 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,720 Speaker 1: seventy two last undefeated team was led by Bob Greasy 670 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: and Earl Moral. 671 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 5: And that's game two on. 672 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 6: Game This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show. 673 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: Imagine his first take back then, right, this completely diminishes 674 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: Bob Greasy. However, the year was nineteen ninety three. You 675 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: know what you're not gonna do. You're not gonna call 676 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 1: it throw Back Thursday. Don't call it a throwback. It's 677 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:23,879 Speaker 1: next to The Doug Gotlieb Show.