Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty and now he Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3: All of this is happening in the background of the
Speaker 3: big thing that the entire region is waiting for, which
Speaker 3: is what will Israel's response to those one hundred and
Speaker 3: eighty ballistic missiles filed by the Iranians just about two
Speaker 3: days ago. What will that response look like? And of
Speaker 3: course that is what is going to set the tone
Speaker 3: and the tempo for this really region wide war that
Speaker 3: we're now seeing. We've been talking to the past year
Speaker 3: about the threat of the regionalization of this conflict between
Speaker 3: Iran and Israel. Now we are seeing it in real time,
Speaker 3: and it's up to the Israelis to determine whether or
Speaker 3: not they are going to pummel Aron and invite a
Speaker 3: further escalation, or they're going to restrain themselves as the
Speaker 3: Biden administration seems to be asking them to do.
Speaker 2: Seems to be. Joe Biden was asked specifically yesterday, should
Speaker 2: Israel take out the nuclear facilities? Is no, No, The
Speaker 2: response needs to be proportional, Okay, what's a proportional response
Speaker 2: to having two hundred ballistic missiles shot at you? It
Speaker 2: seems like seems like taking out the entire government would
Speaker 2: be a proportional response. They're trying to take out your
Speaker 2: biggest city.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a major attack like that, And I'm sure Joe
Speaker 1: Biden will say would say, well, Israel's good at shooting
Speaker 1: down missiles, so a proportional expense is one that doesn't
Speaker 1: do much damaging her on either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not what proportional response means. But I don't
Speaker 2: want to get hung up on that thing again. So
Speaker 2: we have new Joe Biden information. He was asked this morning, well,
Speaker 2: let's listen to the clip and then we can discuss.
Speaker 1: Health striking Iran oil facility CERNCE word discussion.
Speaker 2: I think I think that would be a little anyway
Speaker 2: swift plan to allow strike back against Ron.
Speaker 3: First of all, we don't allow he is real.
Speaker 4: We advis is real, and there's nothing going to happen today.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about that later.
Speaker 2: There's nothing going to happen today, which is probably not
Speaker 2: something he should be saying, because that's not the same
Speaker 2: being at war works. You don't like announce today today
Speaker 2: you're in the clear, so stand down. We're not doing
Speaker 2: anything today. That's odd, element I surprise, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Well, and how about to straight out of that Saturday
Speaker 1: Night Live bit the other night he hit us with
Speaker 1: a well, I tell.
Speaker 2: You what anyway?
Speaker 1: Yeah, whoa, whoa, whoa. That sentence, that sentence, it started
Speaker 1: with such promises.
Speaker 2: What were you going to say? Well, played again. I
Speaker 2: just want to hear that first part again and then
Speaker 2: we'll come in here.
Speaker 1: Michael, do you support is well striking Iran oil facilities?
Speaker 2: Service? Word discuss?
Speaker 5: I think I think that would be a little strip plan.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I think that would be a little anyway.
Speaker 2: Well, he realized he shouldn't be saying that because he
Speaker 2: got in trouble yesterday and rightfully so for saying no
Speaker 2: when asked if they should strike the nuclear facilities. So
Speaker 2: today about the oil refineries, I think that would be
Speaker 2: a little bit we're no. Just saying we're in discussion
Speaker 2: about that obviously puts it on the table like you
Speaker 2: think that'd be okay, which it definitely will be. And
Speaker 2: as he was correct in saying, we don't tell them
Speaker 2: what to do, or shouldn't be telling them what to do.
Speaker 2: Although you know, when you give a country all their stuff,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like if you're if you're adult child
Speaker 2: is going to live at your house. They're adults, but
Speaker 2: they live at your house. So it's not a lot
Speaker 2: like that, You don't think, I well, legally we don't
Speaker 2: have the right to tell Iszuel what to do. But
Speaker 2: I mean, if we give them three to five billion
Speaker 2: dollars a year and eight in the planes and the
Speaker 2: bombs and everything like that, and rearm the velvet dome,
Speaker 2: iron dome, I don't know where it came from for them.
Speaker 2: We have some say.
Speaker 1: Some yeah, but I think it's it's reminiscent of all
Speaker 1: of us. All of us have had bosses, for instance,
Speaker 1: that are smart and innovative and great leaders. We have
Speaker 1: had mediocre bosses. We have had gutless, spineless bosses who've
Speaker 1: got in the way of the productivity of the enterprise.
Speaker 1: I don't care who you are, what the line of
Speaker 1: work you're in, you've probably run into that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Benjamin Not in Yahoo and the Israeli people have a gutless,
Speaker 1: spineless sugar daddy right and Joe Biden, and they are
Speaker 1: managing upward the best they can. They cannot defer to
Speaker 1: his wishes or it will end in defeat, so they're
Speaker 1: trying to smooth it the best they can.
Speaker 2: Now. From and what I understand, the sentiment is overwhelming
Speaker 2: in Israel, even though Netanyao himself is not that popular,
Speaker 2: although it's gone up in recent months, it's overwhelmingly popular.
Speaker 2: The idea of hitting Iran directly really really hard. So
Speaker 2: he's on solid political ground in his own country on
Speaker 2: some sort of direct attack on Iran, even though our
Speaker 2: prisons said no, or we're having discussions about well, I
Speaker 2: don't think they should. Well anyway, these are a little anyway,
Speaker 2: These are some major decisions like could change world history
Speaker 2: sorts of decisions.
Speaker 1: And these might be lead ups to decisions that are
Speaker 1: ten times as impactful.
Speaker 2: And the guy in charge is, well, we shouldn't. I
Speaker 2: mean I probably oughtn't. I think they anyway?
Speaker 1: What I don't think I'm supposed to talk about this
Speaker 1: Jackie Jackie dead or is she here.
Speaker 2: About our institutions now?
Speaker 1: But he's good to go for another four years as
Speaker 1: of like seventy days ago. Effing believe they were claiming
Speaker 1: that with a straight face.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, And I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't want to, I mean change my words.
Speaker 2: So I'm talking to some of Yes, I'm sorry, who's
Speaker 2: from Amas? Wait, there's more. I'm talking to some of
Speaker 2: about there because I've talked to several of you in
Speaker 2: the last couple of days. I brought up the idea
Speaker 2: of I'm concerned about who's making the decisions on a
Speaker 2: lot of this stuff, because I think sometimes Joe Biden
Speaker 2: is capable of being sharp and understanding what's going on
Speaker 2: and making a decision. But I think we all agree
Speaker 2: that there are lots of times he's not, And what
Speaker 2: if something happens when he's not who's making the decisions?
Speaker 2: And as with a few people who said you don't
Speaker 2: know that, I said, no, do you? Yeah, Obama is
Speaker 2: don't you read the news? Obama's making all the decisions
Speaker 2: now him and Hillary. So apparently for some of you,
Speaker 2: that's a story that's floating around somewhere that Obama and
Speaker 2: Hillary are currently running the government. Obama I don't believe that, but.
Speaker 1: Thank Junior always appreciated. I actually think it's you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of Obama's team that's very influential in the
Speaker 1: Biden White House.
Speaker 2: It's blinking on this stuff. Probably with Sullivan discussing with
Speaker 2: the Secretary Defense. Maybe I don't know, because I mean,
Speaker 2: if the Secretary of State says, I think we should blank,
Speaker 2: the Secretary of Defense might say, you don't tell me
Speaker 2: what to do. So I don't know how to make
Speaker 2: those decisions. That's the problem with not having you know,
Speaker 2: the constitutional order working right now is I don't know how.
Speaker 2: That's why I ask who's making the decisions and how,
Speaker 2: because nobody actually has the authority. And let's think we
Speaker 2: go ahead unless Blincoln's coming out of meetings and saying, hey,
Speaker 2: Lloyd Austin, we need to move another aircraft carrier, or
Speaker 2: on the orders of Joe Biden. You know, he's claiming
Speaker 2: that Joe Biden is saying these things. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was just going to say, we've all seen dramas
Speaker 1: of uh, you know, contested wills or succession at a
Speaker 1: company or whatever, where the doddering oldster is being manipulated
Speaker 1: by the young connivers behind the scenes. And then Totter's
Speaker 1: out and says, yeah, I'm not going to bequeath my
Speaker 1: estate quite yet. I've reconsidered, and everybody looks around like
Speaker 1: they got to him somehow, they got to him because
Speaker 1: they're manipulating the old farts, and that's what's happening at
Speaker 1: the White House almost certainly.
Speaker 2: So you think Jake Sullivan goes in there with the
Speaker 2: piece of paper, could you sign this, sir? It's a
Speaker 2: National blueberry Day and it's just important to you said,
Speaker 2: yet it put your name there and date.
Speaker 1: It's a aircraft. It's an aircraft carrier full of bloe.
Speaker 1: We're gonna donate them to the Polynesians.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Asians. They're dirt hungry keeping their cats.
Speaker 1: And Lloyd Austin's like, what what did you do? You
Speaker 1: conniving bastard. I'm telling you the.
Speaker 2: Movies with his really low voice, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: I think it's important consider carefully, Oh, the lighter side
Speaker 2: of the run up to World War three? I hope
Speaker 2: not hope not in here. But it's freaking weird that
Speaker 2: we got a president that's not capable of like understanding
Speaker 2: in any given time, what the hell's going on? Mesh
Speaker 2: for them Inwa unless you want to get the back
Speaker 2: I tell you what.
Speaker 1: The Mullas are quaking in their slippers whatever they weardals
Speaker 1: hearing that sort of forcefulness.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that so much of the world wears pretty
Speaker 2: much only sandals only. Ah, it's warm there hot, that's it.
Speaker 1: Your feet get all gamy. You don't want that. How
Speaker 1: about a lovely croc for the ayatola. It's got the
Speaker 1: all ventilation holes. They might rock them behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: Where's that Satan's own shoe.
Speaker 1: It's Western decadence, no doubt, but they got them. They
Speaker 1: got them. It's like the all the hypocrisy. Oh, we're
Speaker 1: a devout scholar. I just happen to have seventeen fourteen
Speaker 1: year old wives, right and.
Speaker 2: Crocs, So you think they walk out and sandals and
Speaker 2: then behind the scenes, Ah, back into my crocs.
Speaker 1: Woo. I wish I could not sporting three hundred dollars
Speaker 1: loafers or whatever Western suits.
Speaker 2: Right, dang it, what a situation. So that was just
Speaker 2: a little bit ago that Joe Biden was asked that
Speaker 2: and how much I mean, this is this is the
Speaker 2: biggest international story in the world right now. How hard
Speaker 2: is Israel going to hit Iran?
Speaker 1: And the President's a little anyway.
Speaker 2: We're still discussing that. I don't know, it's a well anyway,
Speaker 2: but it's not gonna happen today. Wow, that was unhelpful.
Speaker 2: All three half sentences were incredibly unhelpful. Yeah, wow, all right,
Speaker 2: we got a lot more on the way.
Speaker 4: Another shocking story coming out of Lebanon that's breaking right now.
Speaker 4: Pagers belonging to members of Hesbola were simultaneously detonated, and
Speaker 4: walkie talkies all over the country began exploding in another
Speaker 4: wave of what appears to be Israeli retaliations, but just
Speaker 4: moments ago, in a truly surreal twist, the rectums of
Speaker 4: goats all over the country exploded at the same time,
Speaker 4: killing an additional one thy eight hundred people and injuring
Speaker 4: thousands of others, as well as killing countless goats. PETA
Speaker 4: has just issued a statement denouncing the actions of the
Speaker 4: IDF for senselessly killing all those goats. However, you'd have
Speaker 4: to think if the IDF was behind this, they may
Speaker 4: have been doing those goats a huge favor.
Speaker 1: How long is that is artificial intelligence generated a fake report?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. You may have played that in violation of
Speaker 2: the state law of California.
Speaker 1: The Gavin News gosh, yeah, the anti parody law.
Speaker 2: That was not Jake Tapper, you know, that fits in
Speaker 2: perfectly with this, did you We didn't talk about John
Speaker 2: Kerry's speech that he gave the other day at the
Speaker 2: World the Economic Forum about the First Amendment, right, and
Speaker 2: it's really quite amazing. Rather than I'm reading from Jonathan
Speaker 2: Turley's piece in the New York Post today, rather than
Speaker 2: extole the benefits of the democratic liberty versus dictatorships and oligarchs,
Speaker 2: John Kerry, presidential candidate in two thousand and four, former
Speaker 2: Secretary of State called the First Amendment of the United
Speaker 2: States Constitution a major block to keeping people from believing
Speaker 2: the wrong things. Here's the quote. You know, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of discussion. I won't talk like John Cary the
Speaker 2: whole time that would it would be kind of fun.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of discussion now about how
Speaker 2: you curb those entities in order to guarantee that you're
Speaker 2: going to have some accountability on facts. But look, if
Speaker 2: people only get to one source, and the source they
Speaker 2: go to is sick and you know, has an agenda
Speaker 2: and they're putting out disinformation, our First Amendment stands as
Speaker 2: a major block to be able to just you know,
Speaker 2: hammer it out of existence. So what we need is
Speaker 2: to win the ground, win the right to govern by
Speaker 2: hopefully winning enough votes that you're free to be able
Speaker 2: to implement change. So Jonathan Turley writes, the freedom to
Speaker 2: be won in this election is to liberate officials who
Speaker 2: look like him, who look like himself, can set about
Speaker 2: controlling what can be said, read or heard. Carry insisted
Speaker 2: that the problem with social media is that the one
Speaker 2: who is controlling what they can say or read needs
Speaker 2: to be dealt with. I I so, do you understand
Speaker 2: what the the powerful like John Kerry and some others
Speaker 2: are saying, what their vision of the First Amendment is
Speaker 2: in their way?
Speaker 1: I think I think the problem And just as an aside,
Speaker 1: it's funny, I have prepared a First AMENDMENTEE segment next segment,
Speaker 1: which is perfect. I'll talk about it for days. But
Speaker 1: I honestly think and it's hard for normal people like
Speaker 1: y'all and like ourselves. I think to picture having this
Speaker 1: sort of hubris. John Carry actually thinks he and his
Speaker 1: ilk have the wisdom, the knowledge, and the well they
Speaker 1: can be trusted with the power of censorship because they'll
Speaker 1: just censor the things that ought to be censored. They
Speaker 1: will just censor misinformation and disinformation to keep the poor fool.
Speaker 1: So he mentioned, who just see one source from being
Speaker 1: misled by the evil doers, We'll give us that right
Speaker 1: and we'll protect you.
Speaker 2: Carrie went on to say that now mostly free speech,
Speaker 2: now most protects corporate interests and threatens essential jobs of
Speaker 2: the state, such as protecting national security and the safety
Speaker 2: and privacy of its citizens.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow, So free speech only protects corporate interests, but the
Speaker 2: government and of course the citizens who belove their government,
Speaker 2: are being screwed by free speech somehow.
Speaker 1: Right, the free speech is getting in the way of
Speaker 1: the security of the state, that is what he said.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And whether it is deliberate evil doing or just that
Speaker 1: sort of hubristic, you know, naive self regard, I don't know, you.
Speaker 2: Know, maybe it fits in with like the moderators on
Speaker 2: the debate the other night, or the last couple of debates,
Speaker 2: where it's amazing to me that intelligent people can be
Speaker 2: so blind did by their beliefs, that they are fully
Speaker 2: in the camp of our side is all good and
Speaker 2: right and honest, and the other side is evil and awful.
Speaker 2: And it makes perfectly good sense as a decent, law abiding,
Speaker 2: smart person to put my thumb on the scale for
Speaker 2: the side that is good and honest and decent and
Speaker 2: against the side that is evil. And you know, Margaret
Speaker 2: Brennan and O'Donell and so many others seem to believe that,
Speaker 2: and John Carey believes that, Well, I'm on the side
Speaker 2: that is good as honest, and we never abuse our
Speaker 2: power or do anything wrong or lie, so of course
Speaker 2: we can make that decision. What are you even talking about.
Speaker 1: The nightmare of everybody's rights being taken away during COVID, Well,
Speaker 1: the data changed. We didn't hear about the schools in
Speaker 1: Sweden are intent with?
Speaker 2: I think I've had an epiphany, a slow and coming.
Speaker 2: Can you sum it up for us, Well, just that
Speaker 2: these people actually freaking believe that they are on the
Speaker 2: side of what is right and good and that they
Speaker 2: never do wrong, which.
Speaker 1: Is what makes them so scary. Seal Lewis's famous quote
Speaker 1: about the worst sort of oppression is the person who
Speaker 1: believes they're doing it for your own good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is what makes it so scary. They actually
Speaker 2: believe it.
Speaker 3: Or on this theme, the car Strong and Getty, some
Speaker 3: business news CVS just and as they're laying off nearly
Speaker 3: three thousand workers in an effort.
Speaker 2: To cut costs. Now, every CVS pharmacy will just have
Speaker 2: a pumpkin bucket filled with pills and as.
Speaker 1: Time as says, please take one.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. Yeah, I uh, I don't think I can
Speaker 2: get any trouble for saying this. So is that the
Speaker 2: CVS One time and because I got one near my house,
Speaker 2: so I used it because it was just so handy
Speaker 2: being a couple of blocks away, especially with the number
Speaker 2: of prescriptions we have in my family. Ah, but is
Speaker 2: there one time and I was getting it's just like
Speaker 2: a ridiculous price for this one prescription, and the person said,
Speaker 2: the pharmacists behind the counter, see, can I talk to
Speaker 2: you for a second. She comes out around we go
Speaker 2: over to the side and she said, you could get
Speaker 2: this at Costco for like eighty cents. Oh. I said, okay,
Speaker 2: thanks for the tip, and I started using the Costco pharmacy.
Speaker 2: It's the best pharmacy there is is the Costco pharmacy
Speaker 2: that I've ever used. Fast friendly, you get somebody on
Speaker 2: the phone right away if you ever have to call.
Speaker 2: The prices. I just I'm not getting paid for this.
Speaker 2: Its just been my personal experience as a guy who
Speaker 2: has lots of prescriptions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't. Well, we can talk off the airs,
Speaker 1: can I say, doesn't our health plan tell us to
Speaker 1: go to some place?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Makes us go to a variety of places. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: everybody makes money. Yeah, right, so that's something that.
Speaker 2: The person at CBS pulled me aside. Oh, yes, good
Speaker 2: for her, it's very nice for she cared more about
Speaker 2: you know, me than her business apparently.
Speaker 1: And the executives at CVS has figured out what branch
Speaker 1: that is. And she is now out of work and
Speaker 1: crying softly on her couch at home. Well else, she
Speaker 1: just lost her home thanks to Jack. So, continuing our
Speaker 1: free speech theme, thought this was just great. It's a
Speaker 1: couple of different things. But the free press talking about
Speaker 1: a lot of powerful, well educationd well educated people don't
Speaker 1: understand how free speech works. For example, Tim Walls at
Speaker 1: Tuesday's vice presidential debate, the Minnesota governor said the First
Speaker 1: Amendment does not cover hate speech or yelling fire in
Speaker 1: a crowded theater. Wrong on both counts.
Speaker 2: And I'm a knucklehead at times.
Speaker 1: Right, So it doesn't protect hate speech is an assertion
Speaker 1: you hear ten thousand times a day on America's college campuses.
Speaker 1: That is absolutely patently false. One person's hate speech is
Speaker 1: another person's legitimate criticism. And just anybody who ever claims
Speaker 1: that to you know you are dealing with either a
Speaker 1: muttonhead or a neo Marxist, and reject them.
Speaker 2: I like your hate speech. Probably I hate you, I
Speaker 2: really hate you.
Speaker 1: That is hate speech. Yes. In fact, if you run
Speaker 1: into a person making that claim, I suggest you knock
Speaker 1: them down and run away from them as quickly as possible.
Speaker 1: But the other part that I thought was so very interesting,
Speaker 1: and once again it's our our good friends at thefire
Speaker 1: dot org used to be the Foundation for individual Rights
Speaker 1: and education. Now it's just the what do they call
Speaker 1: themselves foundation for in visual rights? Excellent? I can't remember
Speaker 1: what the E stands for in fire anymore, but they
Speaker 1: are crusaders for the First Amendment and I love them
Speaker 1: for that. Wow. Wow, inappropriate and inaccurate. But you need
Speaker 1: to be silenced anyway. I thought this was so interesting
Speaker 1: in a discussion about the riot at the US Capitol, walstl.
Speaker 1: Vanstir limus free speech.
Speaker 2: You can't, you know, fire in a crowded theater.
Speaker 1: That's the test that's the Supreme Court test. Well, as
Speaker 1: usual with the old coach, he only has half an
Speaker 1: idea what the hell he's talking about? But what's lead
Speaker 1: at times that you've heard expressed a thousand times in
Speaker 1: your life, that you can't yell fire in a crowded theater.
Speaker 1: That that's the Supreme Court's test for unprotected speech is
Speaker 1: both wild, widely held and dead wrong. That phrase comes
Speaker 1: from Justice the infamous Justice for Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes
Speaker 1: in a nineteen nineteen opinion called Shank versus Us and writes,
Speaker 1: fire it's a testament to the power of a well
Speaker 1: turned phrase that we're still hearing it more than one
Speaker 1: hundred years later. Stop and think, can it possibly be true?
Speaker 1: You can't shout fire in a crowded theater? Well, if
Speaker 1: there is a fire, or you really think there is one,
Speaker 1: do you need to be quiet about it? Must you
Speaker 1: remain silent as you race to pull the fire alarm?
Speaker 1: Of course not, that's absurd.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I always believe that I've heard
Speaker 2: it my whole life, and I always thought that was
Speaker 2: the test I heard. Sarah Isger of The Dispatch do
Speaker 2: a long piece on this probably similar to what you're
Speaker 2: about to read, like a year ago or something. She said,
Speaker 2: nothing makes me crazier as a Then somebody's saying you
Speaker 2: can't yell fire in a crowded theater. It's not true,
Speaker 2: and I thought it's not. So I listened to the
Speaker 2: whole thing, but I believed it my whole life, and
Speaker 2: I always assumed it meant if there's not a fire,
Speaker 2: not you're not allowed to yell. If there's a fire,
Speaker 2: that would be really awful.
Speaker 1: Well, right, we're working on.
Speaker 2: Is the word.
Speaker 1: But that premise leaves out some crucial details, which is
Speaker 1: precisely why that's not what Justice Holmes wrote. What he
Speaker 1: did write was this, the most stringent protection of free
Speaker 1: speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire
Speaker 1: in a theater and causing a panic. Notice the two qualifications.
Speaker 1: The shout of fire has to be false if there
Speaker 1: were fire, a good reasona believe there was, the prohibsion
Speaker 1: does not apply. And don't worry, there's even more to
Speaker 1: it than that.
Speaker 2: Honor.
Speaker 1: Can you be punished if you falsely shout fire in
Speaker 1: a theater? But there is no panic. That means people
Speaker 1: whose alert simply caused no panickers safe from prosecution as.
Speaker 2: For thoroughness's sake.
Speaker 1: Also note that Holmes phrase doesn't touch on whether the
Speaker 1: theaters crowded. You wouldn't get a free pass to falsely
Speaker 1: Panica theater that's only half full either. So and here's
Speaker 1: where it gets interesting.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. So five month theater and there's just three
Speaker 2: of us there. We're watching a very unpopular movie months
Speaker 2: after it came out. There's just three of us in there.
Speaker 2: It's ridiculously cold because they have the air conditioners set
Speaker 2: for a crowd. And I help fire and people say, yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought a shot of smoke too, And everybody just
Speaker 2: gets up and walks out.
Speaker 1: At regular smail, I reckon, we ought to go. This
Speaker 1: movie sucks anyway, right exactly. But again, here's where it
Speaker 1: gets really interesting. So what exactly did Shank do? Because
Speaker 1: he lost unanimously the Supreme Court case, the decision famously
Speaker 1: written by Justice Holmes, he wrote and distributed a pamphlet
Speaker 1: urging Americans to peacefully resist being drafted to fight into
Speaker 1: World War One.
Speaker 2: That's all. That's all he did.
Speaker 1: The true insidiousness of the fire in the crowded theater
Speaker 1: phrase is the way that from the very beginning. It's
Speaker 1: been wielded to justify censorship of a broad range of
Speaker 1: speech that has nothing to do with fires or theaters.
Speaker 1: His pamphlet, it's two pages, were headed long lived the
Speaker 1: Constitution of the United States. Wake up, America, your liberties
Speaker 1: are in danger. Assert your rights, quoted the Thirteenth Amendment,
Speaker 1: which abolished slavery. Labeled the draft a form of involuntary
Speaker 1: servitude and was quite well reasoned, whether you'd agree with
Speaker 1: it or not. In a democracy, in a democratic country,
Speaker 1: each man must have the right to stay whether he's
Speaker 1: willing to join the army. It also said conscription laws
Speaker 1: belong to a bygone age. That's a quote, and urged
Speaker 1: recipients quote to write your congressman and tell him you
Speaker 1: want the law repealed. Do not submit to intimidation. You
Speaker 1: have a right to appeal to any law.
Speaker 2: And for that.
Speaker 1: He was convicted of three counts of violating the Espionage
Speaker 1: Act of nineteen seventeen served six months in jail because
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court said, well, he said, this is a
Speaker 1: clear and present danger. It's like shouting fire in a
Speaker 1: crowded theater. When what he said was one hundred percent
Speaker 1: defensible under the First Amendment, the point being obviously reasonable
Speaker 1: sounding standards and examples are used from the beginning to
Speaker 1: outlaw speech. This one hundred percent defensive.
Speaker 2: So he I'd forgotten that he was. He lost that
Speaker 2: case that a lot of there are a lot of
Speaker 2: things that are happening, particularly in the early early twentieth century,
Speaker 2: that are awful, and the idea that things were better
Speaker 2: back in the day and you know, going the wrong
Speaker 2: direction on every front is not true. You know, you
Speaker 2: back to the days when that sort of thing was happening.
Speaker 2: But I'm trying to think, first of all, in the
Speaker 2: debate the other night, why did Walls bring that up?
Speaker 2: What was his point? What? How did he apply the
Speaker 2: fire theater? Did it have to do?
Speaker 1: I think with social media and the need for social
Speaker 1: media to enforce the dictates of the government to ban
Speaker 1: disinformation and misinformation. I don't remember he was holding the
Speaker 1: big platforms responsible for misinformation.
Speaker 2: And then I was trying to think, when have I
Speaker 2: ever used it before? Like I said, up until a
Speaker 2: year ago, and I'm old, I've believed it my whole life.
Speaker 2: Well it's it's true, though, right I can yell fire,
Speaker 2: Well if I if I what what happens if you
Speaker 2: get if I'm in a crowded theater and I ye'll.
Speaker 1: Think the thread that was not the key point.
Speaker 2: Well, I know, I know, I know, I know, but
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get So if I yell fire in
Speaker 2: a crowded theater and there is a panic and there
Speaker 2: was not a fire, I have committed a crime. Yes,
Speaker 2: since she caused a panic.
Speaker 1: You certainly could be held civilly liable.
Speaker 2: But I'm trying to think in what cases did I
Speaker 2: ever use Have I ever used that argument? I'm not
Speaker 2: sure I have. I think it might just be something
Speaker 2: I heard and thought was interesting, and I believe my
Speaker 2: whole life, I'm not sure I've ever used the argument.
Speaker 2: And it's just an.
Speaker 1: Expression that there is some speech that can be regulated,
Speaker 1: and then is used too to start regulating speech. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And the problem is it's always used improperly and you know,
Speaker 1: and overused interestingly enough, Oliver Weldell Holmes himself backtracked. He
Speaker 1: backpedaled not too long after that and said, you know,
Speaker 1: against peculiar or dangerous peculiar to war the principles of
Speaker 1: the right to free speech is anyway, But it sounded
Speaker 1: like he was admitting he made a mistake. And finally,
Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixty nine case Brandenburg versus Ohio, in
Speaker 1: which KKK leader AKKK leader was convicted for promising revengeance
Speaker 1: against the government in a speech before a small crowd
Speaker 1: of media and clan nut jobs, the Supreme Court pulled
Speaker 1: the plug on shank the original case to discarding its
Speaker 1: clear and present danger tests, the Court replaced it with
Speaker 1: a new test for unlawful incitement. To be punishable, speech
Speaker 1: must be quote directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless
Speaker 1: action and be quote likely to incite or produce such action.
Speaker 2: So then you got I wish I remembered all these
Speaker 2: I've read about these so many times, but I'm not
Speaker 2: good at committing this stuff to memory. And then you
Speaker 2: got the course out of San Francisco with the guy
Speaker 2: who had the F word on his jacket, I think,
Speaker 2: and whether or not he was allowed to be in
Speaker 2: a courtroom with that, and that became a big thing
Speaker 2: in the Supreme Court, I believe ruled Yeah, again, it's
Speaker 2: not cool, it's indelicate. We wish you wouldn't, but it's
Speaker 2: not against the law.
Speaker 1: And there are very, very vanishingly few limitations on the
Speaker 1: First Amendment that are legitimate.
Speaker 2: How do you deal with people who wear obnoxious shirts
Speaker 2: in public? You just hope social pressure deals with it
Speaker 2: over time. Hit him with a bat, which would happen someplaces. Yeah,
Speaker 2: get out of here, their kids.
Speaker 1: Around, Yeah, social pressure call them nasty names. From now on,
Speaker 1: I don't go to many movies, but every movie I
Speaker 1: go to, I'm gonna yell fire at the top of
Speaker 1: my lungs, just to make a point. And then I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say you know, originally, let me tell you about
Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen. This is an interesting story. If you've ever
Speaker 1: wanted to co host a radio show slash podcast, reach
Speaker 1: out to me, Joe Ketty.
Speaker 2: So you're at Barbi two, the reckoning or whatever and.
Speaker 1: Barbie two, the barbining, the pinkinning.
Speaker 2: There you go, Yes, three tries. What finished strong?
Speaker 6: Next New York, theyre Eric Adams blearned the federal bribery
Speaker 6: case against him. May Wan prosecutor said additional charges against
Speaker 6: Adams are possible and new defendants are likely, telling the
Speaker 6: judge we're moving quickly. One possible new charge witness tampering,
Speaker 6: After prosecutors said they have evidence. Adams told a witness
Speaker 6: to lie. Prosecutor said the witness was given a clear
Speaker 6: message from the defendant they should not tell the truth
Speaker 6: to the FBI. The mayor asked the judge to hold
Speaker 6: a trial by March. He says he fully intends to
Speaker 6: be on the ballot for re election a year from now.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I meant to grab the audio because it
Speaker 2: was kind of entertaining. Yesterday, Eric Adams came out and
Speaker 2: talked to a crowd of supporters, and then there was
Speaker 2: a giant crowd there, and he walked up to the
Speaker 2: podium and said, they're trying to keep me down. They're
Speaker 2: trying to keep you down, and everybody was cheering, and
Speaker 2: we're gonna fight whoa. I mean, he had a lot
Speaker 2: of support right there from people who just think, you know,
Speaker 2: the man, somebody's out to get him. But then you
Speaker 2: combine that with both Jonathan Turley and the Wall Street
Speaker 2: Journal saying, eh, they don't have a very good case here.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking he's both guilty and going to get away
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 1: And being railroaded. Can you be railroaded if you're guilty? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Selective prosecution of the sort of things lots of politicians
Speaker 1: do it seemed a little egregious to me, the whole
Speaker 1: guilty ship with Turkey and everything.
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't say he's guilty of a crime. I
Speaker 2: don't know that he's guilty of a crime. I think
Speaker 2: he's guilty of doing things we don't want our politicians
Speaker 2: to do, taking ridiculous gifts from people to give them favors.
Speaker 2: I don't like that, but he certainly might not be
Speaker 2: guilty of a crime. That's the problem the whole that's
Speaker 2: the way the whole politics thing works. So it's really difficult.
Speaker 2: That's why it's so hard to prosecute bribery.
Speaker 1: Well, right, the quid pro quote, there's got to be
Speaker 1: a quo there, and speeding up the fire inspections is
Speaker 1: just not the sort of thing that gets me up
Speaker 1: at arms. I'm not saying I approve of it, and
Speaker 1: I think the guy's half a crook and he's a crackpot.
Speaker 2: But even if it's much much bigger than that, how
Speaker 2: do you unless you have in print somewhere, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: have given you this dam under any circumstances except for
Speaker 2: the fact that you gave me that plane. I mean,
Speaker 2: unless you've got that, there's always a plausible reason that
Speaker 2: you went ahead and signed off on the dam or
Speaker 2: the inspection cleared or whatever.
Speaker 1: I like lakes better than rivers. Rivers they just run
Speaker 1: right away from you. I like to look at the water.
Speaker 1: So I built a dam.
Speaker 2: And we've all seen tons of examples of that. At
Speaker 2: the example I used the other day, they couldn't get
Speaker 2: Obamacare going, which changed healthcare for all of us for
Speaker 2: the rest of our lives, until they got that senator
Speaker 2: from Nebraska to sign on. So they offered him a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of stuff in an omnibus bill to get
Speaker 2: him on board. And she said, yes, Well, how is
Speaker 2: that different than Turkey flying air adams around? Not a
Speaker 2: lot different, Not a whole lot different.
Speaker 1: No, No, indeed, And if you include the fact that
Speaker 1: so much of policy has a positive or negative effect
Speaker 1: on the very stocks that these people are fond of trading,
Speaker 1: ask Nancy Pelosi about that. I mean, then you really
Speaker 1: get into a pole. Hey, if you can vote for this,
Speaker 1: which is really going to help the corn futures in
Speaker 1: my district, I'll get you that bridge and then we'll have,
Speaker 1: you know, the stock prices go up for this other
Speaker 1: stuff we're invested in this Yes winning. Speaking of stock prices,
Speaker 1: I guess oil briefly spiked. I don't know if it'll
Speaker 1: stay spiked on Joe Biden's weird answer.
Speaker 5: About attacking noil refiners in Iran. Oh my God, admit
Speaker 5: me chorus to this history. Who prologue like your humble.
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Speaker 1: thoughts of Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 2: Here's your host for final thoughts, heyez Joe Getty.
Speaker 1: Hey, let's get a final thought from everybody on the
Speaker 1: crew to wrap things up for the day. Gleangelow, our
Speaker 1: technical director, will lead the way. Michael final thought. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't eat a lot of sweets anymore, but I
Speaker 1: did have one the other day. It's chocolate chip cheesecake. Whoa,
Speaker 1: it was a very small piece. Man Oh, that could
Speaker 1: be my last meal I've ever. You know, get the
Speaker 1: death penalty, that's gonna be my last.
Speaker 2: It's good to have a plan in case you get
Speaker 2: the death penalty.
Speaker 1: I think we all have that plan, which is odd
Speaker 1: since we're all fairly peaceful people. Katie Green are esteemed Newswoman.
Speaker 1: As a final thought, Katie all right, Michael, if you're into.
Speaker 3: That cheesecake factory Adam's Peanut butter cup fudge ripple, Hi.
Speaker 1: The diabean is you can take a bite.
Speaker 5: Come on.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm here to help you, Michael, not undermine you.
Speaker 1: Like the rest of these runs, I could run it off.
Speaker 2: That's exactly That sounds pretty good, Katie Jack. A final
Speaker 2: thought for us, Yeah, there's a lot of reasons to
Speaker 2: uh want to live a long life, be around for
Speaker 2: my kids, et cetera. But I want to live long
Speaker 2: enough to see the books written when people are finally
Speaker 2: honest about this period of Joe Biden being president, who
Speaker 2: is running things and making decisions and how often was
Speaker 2: he completely out of it?
Speaker 1: Kamala loses Those books will be out within a year.
Speaker 1: I think my final thought is, and I know it's odd,
Speaker 1: but a friend of mine, my neighbor, had a brush
Speaker 1: with death the other day and I've reached out to
Speaker 1: him and you know, let him know we're very, very
Speaker 1: happy it ended the way it did.
Speaker 2: But have you ever dealt with that? How can I?
Speaker 1: Because it has its after effects? What should I say
Speaker 1: to the guy? Is that what would be helpful?
Speaker 2: What's not helpful?
Speaker 1: Mail Bag at Armstrong and Getty dot com.
Speaker 2: That's super glad you're around. That's a good question. We
Speaker 2: will see you tomorrow. God bless America. I'm strong and get.
Speaker 4: You some absolutely stunning remarks.
Speaker 2: He but never gave it.
Speaker 4: Even the particular field and particularly of harsh attacks.
Speaker 1: It's one hundred on the crazy meter. Everyone knows that.
Speaker 3: Really, do want to ask you about your leadership qualities.
Speaker 2: I've become friends with school shooters and from that I
Speaker 2: learned I'm a knucklehead at times. Well, let me tell
Speaker 2: you he's gotta go to hell.
Speaker 1: No, gentlemen, there's a lot to discuss.
Speaker 2: We have to move on. Thank you all very much,
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty