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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty and now he Armstrong and Getty.

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Speaker 3: All of this is happening in the background of the

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Speaker 3: big thing that the entire region is waiting for, which

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Speaker 3: is what will Israel's response to those one hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty ballistic missiles filed by the Iranians just about two

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Speaker 3: days ago. What will that response look like? And of

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Speaker 3: course that is what is going to set the tone

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Speaker 3: and the tempo for this really region wide war that

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Speaker 3: we're now seeing. We've been talking to the past year

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Speaker 3: about the threat of the regionalization of this conflict between

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Speaker 3: Iran and Israel. Now we are seeing it in real time,

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Speaker 3: and it's up to the Israelis to determine whether or

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Speaker 3: not they are going to pummel Aron and invite a

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Speaker 3: further escalation, or they're going to restrain themselves as the

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Speaker 3: Biden administration seems to be asking them to do.

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Speaker 2: Seems to be. Joe Biden was asked specifically yesterday, should

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Speaker 2: Israel take out the nuclear facilities? Is no, No, The

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Speaker 2: response needs to be proportional, Okay, what's a proportional response

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Speaker 2: to having two hundred ballistic missiles shot at you? It

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Speaker 2: seems like seems like taking out the entire government would

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Speaker 2: be a proportional response. They're trying to take out your

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Speaker 2: biggest city.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a major attack like that, And I'm sure Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden will say would say, well, Israel's good at shooting

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Speaker 1: down missiles, so a proportional expense is one that doesn't

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Speaker 1: do much damaging her on either.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not what proportional response means. But I don't

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Speaker 2: want to get hung up on that thing again. So

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Speaker 2: we have new Joe Biden information. He was asked this morning, well,

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Speaker 2: let's listen to the clip and then we can discuss.

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Speaker 1: Health striking Iran oil facility CERNCE word discussion.

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Speaker 2: I think I think that would be a little anyway

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Speaker 2: swift plan to allow strike back against Ron.

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Speaker 3: First of all, we don't allow he is real.

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Speaker 4: We advis is real, and there's nothing going to happen today.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about that later.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing going to happen today, which is probably not

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Speaker 2: something he should be saying, because that's not the same

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Speaker 2: being at war works. You don't like announce today today

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Speaker 2: you're in the clear, so stand down. We're not doing

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Speaker 2: anything today. That's odd, element I surprise, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Well, and how about to straight out of that Saturday

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Speaker 1: Night Live bit the other night he hit us with

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Speaker 1: a well, I tell.

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Speaker 2: You what anyway?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whoa, whoa, whoa. That sentence, that sentence, it started

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Speaker 1: with such promises.

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Speaker 2: What were you going to say? Well, played again. I

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Speaker 2: just want to hear that first part again and then

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Speaker 2: we'll come in here.

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Speaker 1: Michael, do you support is well striking Iran oil facilities?

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Speaker 2: Service? Word discuss?

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Speaker 5: I think I think that would be a little strip plan.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I think that would be a little anyway.

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Speaker 2: Well, he realized he shouldn't be saying that because he

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Speaker 2: got in trouble yesterday and rightfully so for saying no

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Speaker 2: when asked if they should strike the nuclear facilities. So

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Speaker 2: today about the oil refineries, I think that would be

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Speaker 2: a little bit we're no. Just saying we're in discussion

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Speaker 2: about that obviously puts it on the table like you

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Speaker 2: think that'd be okay, which it definitely will be. And

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Speaker 2: as he was correct in saying, we don't tell them

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Speaker 2: what to do, or shouldn't be telling them what to do.

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Speaker 2: Although you know, when you give a country all their stuff,

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Speaker 2: it's kind of like if you're if you're adult child

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Speaker 2: is going to live at your house. They're adults, but

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Speaker 2: like that, You don't think, I well, legally we don't

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Speaker 2: have the right to tell Iszuel what to do. But

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Speaker 2: I mean, if we give them three to five billion

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Speaker 2: bombs and everything like that, and rearm the velvet dome,

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Speaker 2: iron dome, I don't know where it came from for them.

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Speaker 2: We have some say.

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Speaker 1: Some yeah, but I think it's it's reminiscent of all

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Speaker 1: I don't care who you are, what the line of

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Speaker 1: Benjamin Not in Yahoo and the Israeli people have a gutless,

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Speaker 1: spineless sugar daddy right and Joe Biden, and they are

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Speaker 1: managing upward the best they can. They cannot defer to

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Speaker 2: Now. From and what I understand, the sentiment is overwhelming

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Speaker 2: The idea of hitting Iran directly really really hard. So

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Speaker 2: he's on solid political ground in his own country on

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Speaker 2: some sort of direct attack on Iran, even though our

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Speaker 2: prisons said no, or we're having discussions about well, I

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Speaker 2: don't think they should. Well anyway, these are a little anyway,

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Speaker 2: These are some major decisions like could change world history

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Speaker 1: And these might be lead ups to decisions that are

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Speaker 1: ten times as impactful.

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Speaker 2: And the guy in charge is, well, we shouldn't. I

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Speaker 2: mean I probably oughtn't. I think they anyway?

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Speaker 1: What I don't think I'm supposed to talk about this

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Speaker 1: Jackie Jackie dead or is she here.

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Speaker 2: About our institutions now?

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Speaker 1: But he's good to go for another four years as

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Speaker 1: of like seventy days ago. Effing believe they were claiming

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, And I don't want to.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to, I mean change my words.

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Speaker 2: So I'm talking to some of Yes, I'm sorry, who's

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Speaker 2: from Amas? Wait, there's more. I'm talking to some of

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Speaker 2: of I'm concerned about who's making the decisions on a

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Speaker 2: lot of this stuff, because I think sometimes Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: is capable of being sharp and understanding what's going on

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Speaker 2: and making a decision. But I think we all agree

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Speaker 2: that there are lots of times he's not, And what

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Speaker 2: And as with a few people who said you don't

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Speaker 2: know that, I said, no, do you? Yeah, Obama is

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Speaker 2: don't you read the news? Obama's making all the decisions

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Speaker 2: now him and Hillary. So apparently for some of you,

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Speaker 2: that's a story that's floating around somewhere that Obama and

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Speaker 2: Hillary are currently running the government. Obama I don't believe that, but.

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Speaker 1: Thank Junior always appreciated. I actually think it's you know,

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Speaker 2: It's blinking on this stuff. Probably with Sullivan discussing with

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Speaker 2: those decisions. That's the problem with not having you know,

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Speaker 2: That's why I ask who's making the decisions and how,

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Speaker 2: because nobody actually has the authority. And let's think we

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Speaker 2: Lloyd Austin, we need to move another aircraft carrier, or

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Speaker 2: on the orders of Joe Biden. You know, he's claiming

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Speaker 2: that Joe Biden is saying these things. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I was just going to say, we've all seen dramas

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Speaker 1: of uh, you know, contested wills or succession at a

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Speaker 1: the White House almost certainly.

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Speaker 2: So you think Jake Sullivan goes in there with the

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Speaker 2: piece of paper, could you sign this, sir? It's a

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Speaker 2: National blueberry Day and it's just important to you said,

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Speaker 2: yet it put your name there and date.

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Speaker 1: It's a aircraft. It's an aircraft carrier full of bloe.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna donate them to the Polynesians.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Asians. They're dirt hungry keeping their cats.

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Speaker 1: And Lloyd Austin's like, what what did you do? You

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Speaker 1: conniving bastard. I'm telling you the.

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Speaker 2: Movies with his really low voice, what are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I think it's important consider carefully, Oh, the lighter side

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Speaker 2: of the run up to World War three? I hope

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Speaker 2: not hope not in here. But it's freaking weird that

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Speaker 2: we got a president that's not capable of like understanding

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Speaker 2: for them Inwa unless you want to get the back

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Speaker 2: I tell you what.

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Speaker 1: The Mullas are quaking in their slippers whatever they weardals

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Speaker 1: hearing that sort of forcefulness.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting that so much of the world wears pretty

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Speaker 2: much only sandals only. Ah, it's warm there hot, that's it.

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Speaker 1: Your feet get all gamy. You don't want that. How

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Speaker 1: It's Western decadence, no doubt, but they got them. They

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Speaker 1: a devout scholar. I just happen to have seventeen fourteen

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Speaker 2: Crocs, So you think they walk out and sandals and

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Speaker 2: Right, dang it, what a situation. So that was just

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Speaker 2: a little bit ago that Joe Biden was asked that

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Speaker 2: and how much I mean, this is this is the

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Speaker 2: biggest international story in the world right now. How hard

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Speaker 2: is Israel going to hit Iran?

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Speaker 1: And the President's a little anyway.

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Speaker 2: We're still discussing that. I don't know, it's a well anyway,

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Speaker 2: but it's not gonna happen today. Wow, that was unhelpful.

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Speaker 2: All three half sentences were incredibly unhelpful. Yeah, wow, all right,

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Speaker 2: we got a lot more on the way.

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Speaker 4: Another shocking story coming out of Lebanon that's breaking right now.

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Speaker 4: Pagers belonging to members of Hesbola were simultaneously detonated, and

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Speaker 4: walkie talkies all over the country began exploding in another

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Speaker 4: wave of what appears to be Israeli retaliations, but just

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Speaker 4: moments ago, in a truly surreal twist, the rectums of

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Speaker 4: killing an additional one thy eight hundred people and injuring

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Speaker 4: thousands of others, as well as killing countless goats. PETA

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Speaker 4: IDF for senselessly killing all those goats. However, you'd have

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Speaker 4: to think if the IDF was behind this, they may

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Speaker 4: have been doing those goats a huge favor.

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Speaker 1: How long is that is artificial intelligence generated a fake report?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. You may have played that in violation of

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Speaker 2: the state law of California.

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Speaker 1: The Gavin News gosh, yeah, the anti parody law.

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Speaker 2: That was not Jake Tapper, you know, that fits in

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Speaker 2: perfectly with this, did you We didn't talk about John

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Speaker 2: Kerry's speech that he gave the other day at the

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Speaker 2: it's really quite amazing. Rather than I'm reading from Jonathan

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Speaker 2: Turley's piece in the New York Post today, rather than

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Speaker 1: Can you be punished if you falsely shout fire in

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Speaker 1: Constitution of the United States. Wake up, America, your liberties

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Speaker 1: are in danger. Assert your rights, quoted the Thirteenth Amendment,

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Speaker 1: which abolished slavery. Labeled the draft a form of involuntary

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Speaker 1: servitude and was quite well reasoned, whether you'd agree with

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Speaker 1: it or not. In a democracy, in a democratic country,

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Speaker 1: each man must have the right to stay whether he's

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Speaker 1: willing to join the army. It also said conscription laws

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Speaker 1: belong to a bygone age. That's a quote, and urged

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Speaker 1: recipients quote to write your congressman and tell him you

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Speaker 1: want the law repealed. Do not submit to intimidation. You

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Speaker 1: have a right to appeal to any law.

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Speaker 2: And for that.

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Speaker 1: He was convicted of three counts of violating the Espionage

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Speaker 1: Act of nineteen seventeen served six months in jail because

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court said, well, he said, this is a

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Speaker 1: clear and present danger. It's like shouting fire in a

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Speaker 1: crowded theater. When what he said was one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: defensible under the First Amendment, the point being obviously reasonable

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Speaker 1: sounding standards and examples are used from the beginning to

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Speaker 1: outlaw speech. This one hundred percent defensive.

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Speaker 2: So he I'd forgotten that he was. He lost that

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Speaker 2: case that a lot of there are a lot of

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Speaker 2: things that are happening, particularly in the early early twentieth century,

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Speaker 2: that are awful, and the idea that things were better

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Speaker 2: back in the day and you know, going the wrong

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Speaker 2: direction on every front is not true. You know, you

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Speaker 2: back to the days when that sort of thing was happening.

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Speaker 2: But I'm trying to think, first of all, in the

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Speaker 2: debate the other night, why did Walls bring that up?

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Speaker 2: What was his point? What? How did he apply the

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Speaker 2: fire theater? Did it have to do?

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Speaker 1: I think with social media and the need for social

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Speaker 1: media to enforce the dictates of the government to ban

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Speaker 1: disinformation and misinformation. I don't remember he was holding the

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Speaker 1: big platforms responsible for misinformation.

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Speaker 2: And then I was trying to think, when have I

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Speaker 2: ever used it before? Like I said, up until a

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Speaker 2: year ago, and I'm old, I've believed it my whole life.

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Speaker 2: Well it's it's true, though, right I can yell fire,

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Speaker 2: Well if I if I what what happens if you

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Speaker 2: get if I'm in a crowded theater and I ye'll.

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Speaker 1: Think the thread that was not the key point.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know, I know, I know, I know, but

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to get So if I yell fire in

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Speaker 2: a crowded theater and there is a panic and there

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Speaker 2: was not a fire, I have committed a crime. Yes,

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Speaker 2: since she caused a panic.

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Speaker 1: You certainly could be held civilly liable.

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Speaker 2: But I'm trying to think in what cases did I

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Speaker 2: ever use Have I ever used that argument? I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure I have. I think it might just be something

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Speaker 2: I heard and thought was interesting, and I believe my

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Speaker 2: whole life, I'm not sure I've ever used the argument.

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Speaker 2: And it's just an.

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Speaker 1: Expression that there is some speech that can be regulated,

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Speaker 1: and then is used too to start regulating speech. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And the problem is it's always used improperly and you know,

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Speaker 1: and overused interestingly enough, Oliver Weldell Holmes himself backtracked. He

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Speaker 1: backpedaled not too long after that and said, you know,

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Speaker 1: against peculiar or dangerous peculiar to war the principles of

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Speaker 1: the right to free speech is anyway, But it sounded

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Speaker 1: like he was admitting he made a mistake. And finally,

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Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixty nine case Brandenburg versus Ohio, in

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Speaker 1: which KKK leader AKKK leader was convicted for promising revengeance

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Speaker 1: against the government in a speech before a small crowd

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Speaker 1: of media and clan nut jobs, the Supreme Court pulled

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Speaker 1: the plug on shank the original case to discarding its

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Speaker 1: clear and present danger tests, the Court replaced it with

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Speaker 1: a new test for unlawful incitement. To be punishable, speech

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Speaker 1: must be quote directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless

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Speaker 1: action and be quote likely to incite or produce such action.

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Speaker 2: So then you got I wish I remembered all these

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Speaker 2: I've read about these so many times, but I'm not

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Speaker 2: good at committing this stuff to memory. And then you

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Speaker 2: got the course out of San Francisco with the guy

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Speaker 2: who had the F word on his jacket, I think,

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Speaker 2: and whether or not he was allowed to be in

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Speaker 2: a courtroom with that, and that became a big thing

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Speaker 2: in the Supreme Court, I believe ruled Yeah, again, it's

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Speaker 2: not cool, it's indelicate. We wish you wouldn't, but it's

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Speaker 2: not against the law.

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Speaker 1: And there are very, very vanishingly few limitations on the

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Speaker 1: First Amendment that are legitimate.

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Speaker 2: How do you deal with people who wear obnoxious shirts

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Speaker 2: in public? You just hope social pressure deals with it

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Speaker 2: over time. Hit him with a bat, which would happen someplaces. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: get out of here, their kids.

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Speaker 1: Around, Yeah, social pressure call them nasty names. From now on,

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Speaker 1: I don't go to many movies, but every movie I

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Speaker 1: go to, I'm gonna yell fire at the top of

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Speaker 1: my lungs, just to make a point. And then I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna say you know, originally, let me tell you about

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Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen. This is an interesting story. If you've ever

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Speaker 1: wanted to co host a radio show slash podcast, reach

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Speaker 1: out to me, Joe Ketty.

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Speaker 2: So you're at Barbi two, the reckoning or whatever and.

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Speaker 1: Barbie two, the barbining, the pinkinning.

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Speaker 2: There you go, Yes, three tries. What finished strong?

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Speaker 6: Next New York, theyre Eric Adams blearned the federal bribery

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Speaker 6: case against him. May Wan prosecutor said additional charges against

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Speaker 6: Adams are possible and new defendants are likely, telling the

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Speaker 6: judge we're moving quickly. One possible new charge witness tampering,

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Speaker 6: After prosecutors said they have evidence. Adams told a witness

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Speaker 6: to lie. Prosecutor said the witness was given a clear

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Speaker 6: message from the defendant they should not tell the truth

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Speaker 6: to the FBI. The mayor asked the judge to hold

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Speaker 6: a trial by March. He says he fully intends to

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Speaker 6: be on the ballot for re election a year from now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I meant to grab the audio because it

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Speaker 2: was kind of entertaining. Yesterday, Eric Adams came out and

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Speaker 2: talked to a crowd of supporters, and then there was

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Speaker 2: a giant crowd there, and he walked up to the

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Speaker 2: podium and said, they're trying to keep me down. They're

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Speaker 2: trying to keep you down, and everybody was cheering, and

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Speaker 2: we're gonna fight whoa. I mean, he had a lot

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Speaker 2: of support right there from people who just think, you know,

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Speaker 2: the man, somebody's out to get him. But then you

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Speaker 2: combine that with both Jonathan Turley and the Wall Street

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Speaker 2: Journal saying, eh, they don't have a very good case here.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking he's both guilty and going to get away

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Speaker 2: with it.

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Speaker 1: And being railroaded. Can you be railroaded if you're guilty? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Selective prosecution of the sort of things lots of politicians

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Speaker 1: do it seemed a little egregious to me, the whole

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Speaker 1: guilty ship with Turkey and everything.

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Speaker 2: But I wouldn't say he's guilty of a crime. I

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Speaker 2: don't know that he's guilty of a crime. I think

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Speaker 2: he's guilty of doing things we don't want our politicians

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Speaker 2: to do, taking ridiculous gifts from people to give them favors.

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Speaker 2: I don't like that, but he certainly might not be

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Speaker 2: guilty of a crime. That's the problem the whole that's

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Speaker 2: the way the whole politics thing works. So it's really difficult.

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Speaker 2: That's why it's so hard to prosecute bribery.

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Speaker 1: Well, right, the quid pro quote, there's got to be

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Speaker 1: a quo there, and speeding up the fire inspections is

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Speaker 1: just not the sort of thing that gets me up

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Speaker 1: at arms. I'm not saying I approve of it, and

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Speaker 1: I think the guy's half a crook and he's a crackpot.

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Speaker 2: But even if it's much much bigger than that, how

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Speaker 2: do you unless you have in print somewhere, I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have given you this dam under any circumstances except for

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Speaker 2: the fact that you gave me that plane. I mean,

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Speaker 2: unless you've got that, there's always a plausible reason that

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Speaker 2: you went ahead and signed off on the dam or

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Speaker 2: the inspection cleared or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I like lakes better than rivers. Rivers they just run

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Speaker 1: right away from you. I like to look at the water.

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Speaker 1: So I built a dam.

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Speaker 2: And we've all seen tons of examples of that. At

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Speaker 2: the example I used the other day, they couldn't get

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Speaker 2: Obamacare going, which changed healthcare for all of us for

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Speaker 2: the rest of our lives, until they got that senator

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Speaker 2: from Nebraska to sign on. So they offered him a

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Speaker 2: whole bunch of stuff in an omnibus bill to get

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Speaker 2: him on board. And she said, yes, Well, how is

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Speaker 2: that different than Turkey flying air adams around? Not a

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Speaker 2: lot different, Not a whole lot different.

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Speaker 1: No, No, indeed, And if you include the fact that

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Speaker 1: so much of policy has a positive or negative effect

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Speaker 1: on the very stocks that these people are fond of trading,

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Speaker 1: ask Nancy Pelosi about that. I mean, then you really

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Speaker 1: get into a pole. Hey, if you can vote for this,

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Speaker 1: which is really going to help the corn futures in

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Speaker 1: my district, I'll get you that bridge and then we'll have,

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Speaker 1: you know, the stock prices go up for this other

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Speaker 1: stuff we're invested in this Yes winning. Speaking of stock prices,

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Speaker 1: I guess oil briefly spiked. I don't know if it'll

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Speaker 1: stay spiked on Joe Biden's weird answer.

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Speaker 5: About attacking noil refiners in Iran. Oh my God, admit

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Speaker 5: me chorus to this history. Who prologue like your humble.

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Speaker 1: Patients, prey gently to hear, kindly, to judge the final

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Speaker 1: thoughts of Armstrong and Getty.

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Speaker 2: Here's your host for final thoughts, heyez Joe Getty.

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Speaker 1: Hey, let's get a final thought from everybody on the

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Speaker 1: crew to wrap things up for the day. Gleangelow, our

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Speaker 1: technical director, will lead the way. Michael final thought. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't eat a lot of sweets anymore, but I

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Speaker 1: did have one the other day. It's chocolate chip cheesecake. Whoa,

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Speaker 1: it was a very small piece. Man Oh, that could

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Speaker 1: be my last meal I've ever. You know, get the

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Speaker 1: death penalty, that's gonna be my last.

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Speaker 2: It's good to have a plan in case you get

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Speaker 2: the death penalty.

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Speaker 1: I think we all have that plan, which is odd

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Speaker 1: since we're all fairly peaceful people. Katie Green are esteemed Newswoman.

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Speaker 1: As a final thought, Katie all right, Michael, if you're into.

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Speaker 3: That cheesecake factory Adam's Peanut butter cup fudge ripple, Hi.

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Speaker 1: The diabean is you can take a bite.

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Speaker 5: Come on.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm here to help you, Michael, not undermine you.

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Speaker 1: Like the rest of these runs, I could run it off.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly That sounds pretty good, Katie Jack. A final

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Speaker 2: thought for us, Yeah, there's a lot of reasons to

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Speaker 2: uh want to live a long life, be around for

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Speaker 2: my kids, et cetera. But I want to live long

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Speaker 2: enough to see the books written when people are finally

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Speaker 2: honest about this period of Joe Biden being president, who

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Speaker 2: is running things and making decisions and how often was

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Speaker 2: he completely out of it?

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Speaker 1: Kamala loses Those books will be out within a year.

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Speaker 1: I think my final thought is, and I know it's odd,

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Speaker 1: but a friend of mine, my neighbor, had a brush

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Speaker 1: with death the other day and I've reached out to

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Speaker 1: him and you know, let him know we're very, very

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Speaker 1: happy it ended the way it did.

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Speaker 2: But have you ever dealt with that? How can I?

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Speaker 1: Because it has its after effects? What should I say

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Speaker 1: to the guy? Is that what would be helpful?

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Speaker 2: What's not helpful?

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Speaker 1: Mail Bag at Armstrong and Getty dot com.

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Speaker 2: That's super glad you're around. That's a good question. We

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Speaker 2: will see you tomorrow. God bless America. I'm strong and get.

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Speaker 4: You some absolutely stunning remarks.

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Speaker 2: He but never gave it.

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Speaker 4: Even the particular field and particularly of harsh attacks.

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Speaker 1: It's one hundred on the crazy meter. Everyone knows that.

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Speaker 3: Really, do want to ask you about your leadership qualities.

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Speaker 2: I've become friends with school shooters and from that I

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Speaker 2: learned I'm a knucklehead at times. Well, let me tell

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Speaker 2: you he's gotta go to hell.

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Speaker 1: No, gentlemen, there's a lot to discuss.

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Speaker 2: We have to move on. Thank you all very much,

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty