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Speaker 1: Training live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. What's up? Welcome back to Cowboys Training
Speaker 1: Camp in Oxnard, California for the final edition of Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: From this Oxnard leg of Cowboys Training Camp. Rob Phillips
Speaker 1: on our set for the final time out here on
Speaker 1: the West Coast this year. Brian brought, Usky Spagnola, Bill
Speaker 1: Jones is back in Dallas. He'll rejoin us as the
Speaker 1: host and captain. Who we get back to the Star
Speaker 1: in Frisco. What's up, guys? How much it's gone by? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Ready to kind of finish this thing out? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: gone by kind of fast, right, sort of. I think
Speaker 1: it has three weeks. I mean, before you knew it,
Speaker 1: we were, you know, you did the blue white practice
Speaker 1: and then a couple of practices, a game, a couple
Speaker 1: of practices, and here we are basically two practices away
Speaker 1: from pulling up stakes. So yeah, I think it went
Speaker 1: by fast. The guys that were interviewing Zack Martin and
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick yesterday said they were talking about how physical
Speaker 1: the practice was, and I don't know that it was
Speaker 1: more physical, but I think it's been more competitive, which
Speaker 1: resulted being in more physical situations, especially for those offensive linemen.
Speaker 1: You know, they got their jobs, but the majority of
Speaker 1: those guys they're going up against in one on one
Speaker 1: and team they're fighting for their careers and so I'm
Speaker 1: sure they're not getting any brother in law out there. No,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right about that. I think the things Mickey
Speaker 1: said absolutely right. With the competition of the practice. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you another thing, I don't think these players and
Speaker 1: coaches expected, but it was it was. It's good for
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett and staff was here we go. The weather,
Speaker 1: the fact that they did get heat and they did
Speaker 1: get you know, you could still practice out here and
Speaker 1: survive even though it's physical practices. You know, you could
Speaker 1: still survive and you know, getting through the practice of
Speaker 1: getting good work and concentrating. But they got really you know,
Speaker 1: the weather conditions here were a lot warmer than normal,
Speaker 1: and so you know, you look at those are kind
Speaker 1: of those sneaky things when you're looking at the season,
Speaker 1: you're going, well, hey, they got some It wasn't just
Speaker 1: they didn't escape the heat completely, but they got some
Speaker 1: of it here, and I thought that was a good
Speaker 1: thing too. So one practice today in the afternoon, they're
Speaker 1: going to come back, I believe, schedules of practice morning
Speaker 1: ten thirty tomorrow tomorrow morning on Thursday, and then they're
Speaker 1: breaking probably so probably say what they did last week
Speaker 1: right absolute days before the game, sir. Now, they did
Speaker 1: go two days in pads, but three days in pads
Speaker 1: before that before they had to kind of light practice
Speaker 1: really no helmets on. That's when it's kind of a
Speaker 1: meeting on the field. Yeah, that's when Jason Garrett was
Speaker 1: talking about he kind of he understood the condition of
Speaker 1: his team. He saw some guys and they were giving
Speaker 1: him great effort, but they didn't look as as you know,
Speaker 1: the efforts good. But he said, you could tell they
Speaker 1: were dragging a little bit. So, uh, he made that determination.
Speaker 1: I think that we'll see the same thing, you know,
Speaker 1: with try and get him ready for the Cincinnati game
Speaker 1: coming up at being a home game at at and T.
Speaker 1: So let these guys have an opportunity to go out
Speaker 1: and shine in that, give him, let him be as
Speaker 1: healthy as possible and go into that game Cincinnati at home, right, yes,
Speaker 1: Saturday night at and T Stadium. So a little bit
Speaker 1: of work before then. You mentioned, Brian the physical nature
Speaker 1: of these practices, Yeah, Mickey two. And the running that
Speaker 1: these guys, that these receivers are doing in TV in
Speaker 1: the heat. I mean, how would you rank the kind
Speaker 1: of the physicality and the work they put in this
Speaker 1: camp compared to other Jason Garrett camps. Think they've done more.
Speaker 1: They've done sprints at the end of practice, and I
Speaker 1: think conditioning seems to be a focus. It does, maybe
Speaker 1: even more so than it does. Yeah, it really does.
Speaker 1: And I think it all really stems back to what
Speaker 1: they were able to do in the OTAs and the
Speaker 1: mini camps, and then in the off season when those
Speaker 1: were over, you had guys staying at the Star, you
Speaker 1: had people working out there, working out in one hundred
Speaker 1: degree weather. There was a lot of running there. I've
Speaker 1: been I've been a part of training camps before where
Speaker 1: you've had conditioning at the end, but the coach takes
Speaker 1: the receivers and defensive backs out of the drill, out
Speaker 1: of the running because that's all they do, not Jason Garrett.
Speaker 1: I mean those guys are right now. It's not full
Speaker 1: on sprints, it's the strides and stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: those guys are running from the time that horn blows
Speaker 1: to the time that double horn blows to in practice.
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, it's it's And I'll say this though,
Speaker 1: and knock on wood as I say this, you haven't
Speaker 1: had the soft tissue things. They've kind of cropped up it.
Speaker 1: You know, we've seen before in some of these camps
Speaker 1: where you do get an extensive amount of running and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden those things pop up. So
Speaker 1: for the most part, again, uh, the receivers, defensive backs
Speaker 1: have held up pretty well in these in these training
Speaker 1: camp practices yoga, Mick. Well, you know the other thing
Speaker 1: about this running, it's a younger team. Yes, you don't
Speaker 1: want to run an older team into the ground and
Speaker 1: then they come back to training to the star and
Speaker 1: they're they're worn out. You got to make sure they,
Speaker 1: you know, keep their legs. So thus the guys getting
Speaker 1: their days off every once in a while, the older guys,
Speaker 1: the established guys, and then make the young guys run.
Speaker 1: And I think he's done that. Uh to what Brian's
Speaker 1: point was when that one day the wide receivers were
Speaker 1: absolutely dragon. There was only seven of them out there,
Speaker 1: and after practice they ran all these routes and I'm going, God,
Speaker 1: he's gonna kill these guys. Well, they ran sprints, but
Speaker 1: theirs was about maybe half speed, third speed, and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I know what we've been through. Let's let's just put
Speaker 1: through this. So all in all, I think it was
Speaker 1: well coordinated. Yeah, it's one of those these practices robbed
Speaker 1: from a former personnel men's standpoint of evaluating the team.
Speaker 1: I think you could watch the way that they run drills,
Speaker 1: even even the stuff. You know, I was talking to
Speaker 1: Gary Brown about this and some of the things that
Speaker 1: he did the drills, and you could be able to
Speaker 1: see the vision, the balance, you know, with his running backs,
Speaker 1: and from a scouting perspective, you get a lot out
Speaker 1: of watching this practice. There's not a lot of standing around.
Speaker 1: There's there's competitive periods, there's one on one periods, there's
Speaker 1: a team periods, there's individual stuff they go to they
Speaker 1: hit the brakes and then you know in between and
Speaker 1: but it's it's one of those ones if you sat
Speaker 1: here and watched. You could get a lot. You could
Speaker 1: evaluate ninety players out there practicing, no cupcakes being pastor
Speaker 1: and it's not caucake out here. No, I don't think
Speaker 1: so either. All right, let's uh, by the way, phone
Speaker 1: number nine seven two four nine seven forty four hundred
Speaker 1: if you want to join us over the next hour,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna I mean, it's it's hard to have
Speaker 1: like a retrospective when they're gonna get back to Dallas,
Speaker 1: they're gonna play a game on Saturday, and then they're
Speaker 1: gonna have I think a set of five practices out
Speaker 1: at Fort Center which fans can come out in attend. Yes,
Speaker 1: so training camp doesn't end here. No, but we've seen
Speaker 1: roughly three weeks of work out here. Let's look back
Speaker 1: a little bit on the show kind of see what
Speaker 1: we've evaluated, what we like, what we didn't like, and
Speaker 1: maybe we start with maybe the biggest storyline going into camp,
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott and the receivers. How that has sorted itself
Speaker 1: out or has it been sorted out so far after
Speaker 1: three weeks. I don't think it's been sorted out. I
Speaker 1: think you got six or seven guys in the way
Speaker 1: they've been practicing. There's seemingly are interchangeable. No one's got
Speaker 1: you know, goes out every snap with the ones, or
Speaker 1: some guy goes out with every snap of the twos.
Speaker 1: They rotate those guys through and you know, I think
Speaker 1: that's a good thing this early. Now, at some point
Speaker 1: you're gonna figure out, Okay, here's my three guys, here's
Speaker 1: my fourth guy, and they'll kind of be a more
Speaker 1: of a rotation that you can can count on. But
Speaker 1: for now, keep doing what they're doing and let get
Speaker 1: let all these guys get experienced at several different spots. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I totally agree with on that situation. With the what
Speaker 1: we've seen with Prescott is there's been some very good
Speaker 1: practices he's had. We've seen command of throwing, the intermediate
Speaker 1: underneath stuff, the touch, the leadership, moving the team, you know,
Speaker 1: the ball handling stuff. Made some really good things from him.
Speaker 1: Still working on the deep ball stuff, still trying to
Speaker 1: get it down the field, missed a couple here and there,
Speaker 1: but then he hits one in the game, so you're
Speaker 1: like going, Okay, it's it's gonna come along here. It's
Speaker 1: all about, you know, his mechanics, how he stands in
Speaker 1: the pocket those things. As far as the receivers go,
Speaker 1: I think it's down to like a couple of final
Speaker 1: spots and where you where the couple of final spots
Speaker 1: are agent can a guy. You know, there's been no
Speaker 1: Noah Brown, which is a little bit disappointing. There's been
Speaker 1: no Thompson, which has been disappointing, But that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that you know, McKay and Cannon and Lenore and those
Speaker 1: guys haven't stepped up at times. I you know, I
Speaker 1: think that the one those you know, sometimes you get
Speaker 1: to the bottom of the roster with those guys like
Speaker 1: a McKay, you know, and you're going, okay, he's got
Speaker 1: no shot, but he's kind of put himself in the mix.
Speaker 1: He's a different body type of a guy than what
Speaker 1: they have. So you know, he's got three more games
Speaker 1: to to really try and get into that spot. Lance
Speaker 1: Lenore has had some really good practices himself. He's trying
Speaker 1: to put himself in that spot. So you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's a shame for Thompson and Noah Brown. You know,
Speaker 1: one of those guys might make this team just not practicing,
Speaker 1: just out of like okay, we signed this guy and
Speaker 1: or we know this guy, and boy that that that
Speaker 1: might be unfortunate for a guy like Lance Lenore or
Speaker 1: McKay or one of those guys that's really gone through
Speaker 1: the whole entire practice or maybe not m I mean
Speaker 1: maybe not in the way of Lance lanor is not
Speaker 1: gonna get xed out. Yeah, but I'm just saying, if
Speaker 1: you if you count, if they keep six, he's hard
Speaker 1: to cut right now. Yeah, if you're if you're Jason Garrett,
Speaker 1: I just use him as the name of the guys
Speaker 1: that if you think about four guys, you know, if
Speaker 1: you think about four receivers, and then who were the
Speaker 1: other two receivers and and very well be right, Mickey,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe you count Thompson as a special teams
Speaker 1: guy and not just solely a wide receiver. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I was gonna think. That was thinking what I
Speaker 1: was thinking of Noah Brown. Yeah. See that's the thing.
Speaker 1: They know Noah Brown, they do. But Sanjay Law loves
Speaker 1: Deante Thompson and that carries some way. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: There's gonna be, there's gonna be there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: guy or two on this team that gets cut that
Speaker 1: probably didn't deserve to be cut, and it and most
Speaker 1: likely will come from the wide receiver crew if I
Speaker 1: if I had to, and and I think there might
Speaker 1: be a cornerback, well, I shouldn't say the cornerback yet
Speaker 1: because the corner fine, the fine. Yeah, the cornerbacks have
Speaker 1: been interesting in a way that that you see him
Speaker 1: practice very well and then they get in the game
Speaker 1: and it's not the same. And I was kind of hopeful.
Speaker 1: You've seen guys practice, We've seen Joe Thomas practice very well.
Speaker 1: We've seen Joe Thomas at the linebacker play very well.
Speaker 1: You know that those are things We've seen Antoine Woods
Speaker 1: practice well and we've seen him play well. So that's
Speaker 1: I was hopeful that some of these corners would be
Speaker 1: able to carry that into the game, especially those young
Speaker 1: corners Olumba, you know, Ward, I was hopeful that they
Speaker 1: and they're still opportunity time, there's time. But as we're
Speaker 1: as we're talking about the end of the Oxnard portion
Speaker 1: of practice, that's what I'm that's as if they're not
Speaker 1: gonna make it. Yeah. Yeah, And you're also in the secondary,
Speaker 1: you're looking for another safety to add some depth too.
Speaker 1: Behind Xavier Woods, Jeff Heath, who, by the way, mildly
Speaker 1: sprained his ankles the other day. Yeah, talk to him
Speaker 1: about that. But you look at numbers there and you
Speaker 1: know you lost um Huff Marquess and Huff's dealing with
Speaker 1: a growing injury. You got Cavon Frazier, who's back, But like,
Speaker 1: who's gonna step up at that other corner safe? Who
Speaker 1: else is gonna add some depth there? See, there's are
Speaker 1: you keeping extra safety and one of those guys is
Speaker 1: either or you could do that you keep get another
Speaker 1: cornerback in there, either or they can play safety. They
Speaker 1: can play corner for you tight end too. I mean,
Speaker 1: have you seen anybody else that caught your eye after
Speaker 1: Huff after those guys? Not really No, And I was
Speaker 1: not consistently I was hopeful. I was hopeful that Woods
Speaker 1: or not Woods uh uh, cam Kelly, Kelly cam Kelly
Speaker 1: would be a guy that or williams Uh Robinson? Is
Speaker 1: I'm right about that? Robinson? Yeah, you know I said
Speaker 1: Woods flashing you a little bit. But yeah, but see
Speaker 1: that's the thing about it is I haven't seen enough
Speaker 1: to where you know, there's might be a couple of
Speaker 1: spots where they're okay, where would you probably claim a
Speaker 1: guy or two again from the oxen Are portion of
Speaker 1: practice right now? I think they would if they were
Speaker 1: looking at guys safety as a possible claim, and maybe
Speaker 1: even offensive lineman is a possible claim. You know, if
Speaker 1: you look for that final that final spot, if you
Speaker 1: don't trust Kadeem Edwards, if you don't trust Chaz Green,
Speaker 1: if you don't trust uh, you know, Cam Fleming is
Speaker 1: going to be the guy. But if you know for
Speaker 1: that last spot, there could be a couple of different
Speaker 1: spot a couple of different opportunities for somebody outside of
Speaker 1: this football team, because it hasn't short shown uh shown, yeah,
Speaker 1: shown itself here you know that that And again Oxnart
Speaker 1: portion exactly. We're we're we're jumping the gun here just
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I mean this is look we've
Speaker 1: we haven't I think we've built enough body of work
Speaker 1: to at least make some evaluations to this point on
Speaker 1: how guys have performed. And you mentioned guard Marcus Martin
Speaker 1: officially on IR his season's done so and that was
Speaker 1: a guy they signed to provide some insurance in the
Speaker 1: middle there and Joe Looney's kind of your backup center,
Speaker 1: So you need somebody else's best player on the offensive line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's another spot. And you mentioned throughout tight end
Speaker 1: just a minute ago. I mean, are they gonna go
Speaker 1: status quo there? You think by the end of preseason
Speaker 1: you mean just three well, I mean, could they look
Speaker 1: outside for a veteran there? Do you think Jeff Swaim
Speaker 1: is shown he can be the veteran guy there? And
Speaker 1: then you've got some guys with certain traits like Blake
Speaker 1: Jarwin who can catch the ball, get down field or
Speaker 1: clearly the receiver of ye the tight end group. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that one's still got to shook
Speaker 1: itself out a little bit over the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: Jar one's gotta start blocking better. Yeah. I think Swaim
Speaker 1: has been solid. I think he's been who he is
Speaker 1: and that's kind of an all around dependable guy. Um,
Speaker 1: but you know, there was talk about, you know, they're
Speaker 1: they're largely unproven. Could they look at maybe you know,
Speaker 1: ask the guy a veteran at some point. So you're
Speaker 1: gonna add somebody else's team fourth or fifth tight end,
Speaker 1: it might be better than it might be better than
Speaker 1: what you're playing with. I mean that's what that's why
Speaker 1: I have to look at that. I mean you their
Speaker 1: determination is is can they find a James Hannis somewhere?
Speaker 1: You know, that's where they have to that if they
Speaker 1: if James Hannah was on this group, on this roster,
Speaker 1: I think it would be we'd have a different opinion
Speaker 1: about the blocking tight end and what you know that
Speaker 1: that availability of that kind of a guy. You know, yes,
Speaker 1: someone's gonna get cut. That's probably same or not as good.
Speaker 1: But do you trust Rico Gathers or do they trust
Speaker 1: Rico Gathers or just don't play many downs with a
Speaker 1: tight end. You don't have to have a tight end,
Speaker 1: well they do. They do the tight ends where they're
Speaker 1: gonna where they're gonna use their tight ends if they
Speaker 1: don't use them in the running game or that just
Speaker 1: in the normal offensive sets. Is they those guys all
Speaker 1: play special teams. Every one of those guys, you know,
Speaker 1: play some form of special teams. And that's one of
Speaker 1: the things that Keith O'Quinn was talking about. He's got
Speaker 1: more linebackers, he's got more tight ends that plays special teams.
Speaker 1: So if you don't use them as if you don't
Speaker 1: use them in the offensive scheme. I would rather have
Speaker 1: players that legitimate can play special teams, not just some
Speaker 1: guy that you're trying to put out there and be
Speaker 1: a special teams player. And maybe you use the fullback
Speaker 1: a little bit more instead of a tight end. You
Speaker 1: do that maze. There's different ways, I mean, just just
Speaker 1: different ways to do it. I don't think the tight
Speaker 1: end holds you hostage. My question though, is is you
Speaker 1: know who's who's emerged there. What does that rotation potentially
Speaker 1: look like? Well, after three and a half weeks it's
Speaker 1: Jeff Swain. You haven't seen anything differently see. But this
Speaker 1: is where I disagree with you on the tight end spot.
Speaker 1: If you look as much as his team boots waggles,
Speaker 1: stuff like that movement in the pocket. What's the one
Speaker 1: thing they do. It's one short, one long. It's a
Speaker 1: it's a it's a drag tight end. It's a route behind.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they get in twelve personnel, it's a it's two
Speaker 1: tight ends, one drag, one behind. If you're gonna be
Speaker 1: a team, it's gonna play action and move the pocket.
Speaker 1: You're gonna find ways to use your tight ends throwing
Speaker 1: the ball that way. If that's it, they want to
Speaker 1: continue if they want to have now maybe they have that,
Speaker 1: Maybe they have that with Jeff Swain in there, maybe
Speaker 1: they had that with Blake Jarwin in there. But it's
Speaker 1: been a little bit of a struggle for Schultz, their rookie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to me, that's that's the one that's been really surprising
Speaker 1: to me. I mean, I think there's and I know
Speaker 1: we'll probably get into his show goes on, but there's
Speaker 1: a couple of a couple of players that have surprised
Speaker 1: me that haven't haven't shown the ability that I saw
Speaker 1: coming into this. Yeah, that that's a that's a little
Speaker 1: bit disappointing to me. And I you know, again Oxnard,
Speaker 1: portion of the practice time to try and develop you know,
Speaker 1: those guys. But I've been I think that Dalton Schultz
Speaker 1: has been a guy that I felt like was going
Speaker 1: to come in here push for an opportunity to start
Speaker 1: as a blocker, as a catcher, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: a complete tied end, and it really hasn't materialized for
Speaker 1: him that way. Well, if you think about it, last
Speaker 1: year that that reverse boot and throwing the tight end
Speaker 1: wasn't very successful, and it wasn't very successful, uh down
Speaker 1: the stretch. If you think about it, yea was keeping
Speaker 1: it or he's throwing it in the ground because no
Speaker 1: one was open. Now the difference is you got Zeke
Speaker 1: on the field, right yeah, and when you you know,
Speaker 1: play fake the handoff to him, they got to account
Speaker 1: for him. They can't just assume that you're not given
Speaker 1: it to Alfred Morris and that you're going to roll out.
Speaker 1: So I just think there's different ways to do that stuff.
Speaker 1: If you think your tight end is not up to
Speaker 1: part fair enough. You spoke of Man of the Match.
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Speaker 1: Batter to talk in Cowboys, Welcome back to Oxnard, California.
Speaker 1: One segment down to to go for our Oxendard portion
Speaker 1: of Cowboys training camp practice this afternoon for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: They practice twice more out here. You guys. Uh, everybody
Speaker 1: refreshed after a day off yesterday. Feel good? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: feel good. You know, worked a half a day almost,
Speaker 1: and then you know, when you start doing stuff at
Speaker 1: seven twenty in the morning, it's kind of working. You're
Speaker 1: not the only one to go where. You reminded us
Speaker 1: like three times yesterday, I worked today, I worked today.
Speaker 1: Williams got his computer out at all times. He's working
Speaker 1: harder than you are, Webmaster William Boykins. He sort of
Speaker 1: forgot something though, Oh he did. Yeah, oh boy, okay,
Speaker 1: we gotta mention that on shots that was Why did
Speaker 1: I even bring that up? All right? Everybody? You you
Speaker 1: you you, that's self inflicted right now. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: kind of lighten it up. I mean, I feel like
Speaker 1: everybody's still dragging a little not at off. I went
Speaker 1: to sleep before at ten o'clock. Well that's good. I
Speaker 1: was paying for the night before. M hmm. When we
Speaker 1: had our team dinner. Yeah, okay, yeah, that was fun.
Speaker 1: It was good. It was great. All right, everybody's going
Speaker 1: to talk football, please, Yeah, let's keep going. Let's keep going.
Speaker 1: Looking back and forward at what they've done here in Oxnard.
Speaker 1: Two practices left. Let's talk about some guys that maybe
Speaker 1: have surprised out here, guys or guys that you you
Speaker 1: expect things from, have looked have kind of done what
Speaker 1: you expect, or guys who have stepped up and and
Speaker 1: and been pleasant surprises. I'll start off this. I'mt's steal
Speaker 1: one from Mickey. This Antoine Woods defensive tackle. He has
Speaker 1: had time in the league, He's been with Tennessee. He's
Speaker 1: not a rookie free agent coming in here and trying
Speaker 1: to make the team. But all of a sudden, I mean,
Speaker 1: you've got Malie Collins trying to work his way back
Speaker 1: into practice, coming off pup a couple days ago, and
Speaker 1: he's gonna fill in one of those starting spots if
Speaker 1: he's healthy. Right, But I think they found a guy
Speaker 1: that at least can be part of the rotation at
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. No, what's interesting about him is he doesn't
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the measurables. You know, you look at
Speaker 1: him and he's not built like David Irving, right, No,
Speaker 1: but he finds a way to push the pocket that
Speaker 1: trash can right there holding down the tent. Yeah, about
Speaker 1: the same height, the same height, same same s yeah,
Speaker 1: the same squareness. But he plays, he gets penetration, So
Speaker 1: you're right, Yeah, he's coming out of OTAs. I kind
Speaker 1: of thought that we would see with with Dayton Jones
Speaker 1: and then with uh jahad Ward would be the guys
Speaker 1: that would step up and go that direction. But it's
Speaker 1: been Woods that has I still worried about the defensive
Speaker 1: tackle spot in this portion again, that might be another
Speaker 1: area that they go trying to address with a claim
Speaker 1: or something like that or sign. But the defensive tackle
Speaker 1: interior offensive line maybe just maybe tied into if maybe
Speaker 1: if if they don't, if they just go three, we'll see.
Speaker 1: But I like what with Woods and what he's done.
Speaker 1: I've been waiting for Woods to fall off the cliff,
Speaker 1: and he hasn't fallen off the cliff. Right. He's he's
Speaker 1: They threw him in there, they had an idea of
Speaker 1: how they wanted to play him. He showed up well
Speaker 1: in the early practices here. He was physical, he got
Speaker 1: in fights, he showed he wanted to play. Um. You
Speaker 1: know we talked about Mickey was standing by with the
Speaker 1: general manager there and you know he said, hey, keep going,
Speaker 1: you know that kind of thing. Those are all things
Speaker 1: that you kind of, you know, you appreciate about the kid.
Speaker 1: And I've seriously I've been ready for him to take
Speaker 1: the left turn and he hasn't taken the left turn yet.
Speaker 1: He's kept the thing right on the road, and you know, hopefully,
Speaker 1: hopefully he can continue to be a part. They need
Speaker 1: him to be that bridge until David Irving gets back
Speaker 1: and until they figure out and it's we've gotten some
Speaker 1: good word about with MALIEK. Collins. You know, hopefully by
Speaker 1: the time we get back to the Star, MALIEK. Collins
Speaker 1: will start practicing because they need to figure that out
Speaker 1: inside and to your point, Woods has been a very
Speaker 1: very pleasant surprise. Okay, So to help with maybe avoid
Speaker 1: at that defensive tackle spot, I think we've seen the
Speaker 1: last day or two that if Randy Gregory is for real,
Speaker 1: then Tyrone Crawford's been moving in that to go three
Speaker 1: three tackle spot and on the nickel. Yeah, and that
Speaker 1: simplifies it for Randy. Now again we've seen him for
Speaker 1: about three or four practices. We need to see more,
Speaker 1: as Brian keeps saying, the Oxnard portion of practice. But
Speaker 1: if he continues moving that way to me. He's absolutely
Speaker 1: the biggest surprise of training camp that he could come
Speaker 1: back after only playing two games over the last thirty
Speaker 1: two games in two seasons. And we also say two seasons,
Speaker 1: but you got to count the six or seven months
Speaker 1: that he didn't practice after twenty seventeen was over, so
Speaker 1: it's really two and a half years since he's played football.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's it's it's encouraging, let's put it
Speaker 1: that way. I don't yeah, I don't think you can
Speaker 1: put you know, all your marbles on that, but for now, yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1: And then on the other side, what they were doing
Speaker 1: when they got to nickel Cony Ealy was moving inside.
Speaker 1: Now I don't know how well it worked, but they
Speaker 1: gave it a shot. And and I thought the other
Speaker 1: thing that happened with Randy Gregory, he played a game
Speaker 1: with Tyrone Crawford, and Crawford came over and kind of
Speaker 1: got his guy and he circled around and he instinctively
Speaker 1: did it. So to me, that's the biggest surprise. And
Speaker 1: if I was going to pick somebody else, it's probably
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin because I didn't know what they were getting
Speaker 1: from him, didn't know he could be an outside guy.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I just didn't know much about him and
Speaker 1: being out here with him, you know, he's on this
Speaker 1: team and an EFFI right work on the outside. He's
Speaker 1: working on his routes. He's not taking anything for granted.
Speaker 1: He's not saying, Okay, I'm an experienced wide receiver. I
Speaker 1: don't have to really go through all this. He's going
Speaker 1: through it harder and helping everybody else out. So keep
Speaker 1: an eye on him. I'll tell you what. Give the
Speaker 1: pro department a pat on the back for not only
Speaker 1: making that trade, having an idea the coach is having
Speaker 1: a plan for Tavon Austin. But give the pro department
Speaker 1: in my a pat on the back. And that a
Speaker 1: boy for Joe Thomas. Joe Thomas is another guy where
Speaker 1: you know, people are asking me, how do you replace?
Speaker 1: And it was one of our male bad questions this
Speaker 1: morning as well, was how do you replace Anti Hitchens?
Speaker 1: You know, And I think that they've found a way
Speaker 1: that with Joe Thomas. You have a guy that is
Speaker 1: a veteran player, but he's a young veteran player. They
Speaker 1: understand what type of ability has I think he's come
Speaker 1: out here, he's practiced hard. He's played hard in the games.
Speaker 1: If something does happen to Sean Lee, I don't think
Speaker 1: the drop off is like totally off the cliff again.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's like, Okay, you got a guy
Speaker 1: in there that's stable. He's capable of finishing plays. He's
Speaker 1: a physical guy, he can run, you know. Those are
Speaker 1: all very positive things. I always thought it was a
Speaker 1: struggle for Anti Hitchens to go from the mic linebacker
Speaker 1: to play in the will, you know, because it was
Speaker 1: just a different techniques and things were different for him.
Speaker 1: But it looks like Joe Thomas to me can play
Speaker 1: the mic and is very comfortable playing the will linebacker
Speaker 1: in the scheme. He was in the refour scheme with
Speaker 1: the Packers, you know, having to play in the as
Speaker 1: an inside linebacker. But he has a great feel for
Speaker 1: where he needs to be, not only in coverage, run fits,
Speaker 1: finished the tackle. All this thing, he's been a guy
Speaker 1: that I think the Pro Department, if it continues on
Speaker 1: the trajectory continues up, the Pro Department needs to the
Speaker 1: general Magin's boy them all those guys a steak dinner,
Speaker 1: because they did him some good things there when the
Speaker 1: other guy we didn't mention, and I think it's necessary
Speaker 1: in that group. Layton Vander, if you've been watching out
Speaker 1: here when they've gone to nickel and Sean wasn't out there,
Speaker 1: they've been using him in the nickel with Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: by the middle, and he was the weak side guy.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, his improvement is coming in increments.
Speaker 1: It's not like lightning right right. I see every day
Speaker 1: he gets better, he recognizes things better. And the good thing,
Speaker 1: the dude can run. Yes, he can run. He can
Speaker 1: cover for a two hundred and fifty. And if you're
Speaker 1: using them, yeah, and if you're using them on the nickel,
Speaker 1: chances are well they ain't running all that much when
Speaker 1: the nickels there, so he doesn't have to, you know,
Speaker 1: lock up against the run. Speaking a linebacker, because I
Speaker 1: know Brian said this, this might be the second deepest
Speaker 1: position on the roster right now, what you've seen. I
Speaker 1: think we all said it. Yeah, I think everybody agrees
Speaker 1: on that, Yeah, pretty much. And Jalen Smith, I mean,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's a surprise. And I give you
Speaker 1: gotta give credit to both Jalen the Cowboys in their
Speaker 1: their medical athletic training staff, Britt Brown, all those guys,
Speaker 1: they've been adamant that the year, this was the year,
Speaker 1: and we are seeing it out here, but we saw
Speaker 1: it in the game the other night too. Not just
Speaker 1: the fact that he can go run in a cover
Speaker 1: two setting forty yards, cover a tight end down the field,
Speaker 1: it's little things like even in the red zone, his
Speaker 1: change of direction quickly to be able to go and
Speaker 1: close on somebody and make a play. He looks like
Speaker 1: a different player. He looks great. Doctor Cooper, who did
Speaker 1: the surgery, from the beginning, maintained this was the year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this absolutely the year that he shows you. And if
Speaker 1: he doesn't show you, then that's probably all you're gonna get.
Speaker 1: But if he shows you, this would be the year
Speaker 1: that physically he's he's taken care of. Because remember you
Speaker 1: know we talk about the drop foot towards ACL. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: tore everything, tore everything, and he comes to training camp
Speaker 1: after having that surgery and they kind of held him off,
Speaker 1: held him off, and you know, the year wasn't up
Speaker 1: until January first, after twenty sixteen, so he was playing,
Speaker 1: you know, last year, trying to get back from that ACL.
Speaker 1: And now the ACL looks good and he's moving well.
Speaker 1: And I think that is a huge surprise to a
Speaker 1: lot of people that criticize the Cowboys for taking that chance. Well,
Speaker 1: there were a lot of unknowns Brian, right. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's you're talking about it, You're talking about a career
Speaker 1: threatening injury. Anytime there's nerve damage involved, it's there's no timetable.
Speaker 1: It's like when's this thing? Is it going to fire again?
Speaker 1: Will there be enough for generation? And apparently that's not
Speaker 1: even a factor anymore. I still maintain that if doctor
Speaker 1: Cooper would have done wouldn't have not done the surgery.
Speaker 1: I don't believe they would have taken him. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: the fact that he did was it was good enough
Speaker 1: for Jerry Jones and Steven Jones and Will McClay and
Speaker 1: and you know, credit to them, they had him high
Speaker 1: enough on their board. Uh. They they they had an
Speaker 1: idea what they wanted to do with him once they
Speaker 1: got him. They knew the timetable. Mickey's right, Doctor Cooper
Speaker 1: and Britt and Jim Allen, those guys said twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: twenty and eighteen, they kept saying that, And and Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith is is proving me wrong about his Where I
Speaker 1: miss evaluated him was his willingness to fight to come back.
Speaker 1: You know, I thought the injury was going to be
Speaker 1: too devastating to come back and be a fully But
Speaker 1: even last year, even late in the year, he showed
Speaker 1: signs that things were starting to get better. We did
Speaker 1: the thing with the you know, with we break down
Speaker 1: the players, you know, with the on tape, and he
Speaker 1: and I were working together, and you know that Melvin
Speaker 1: Gordon run and Melvin Gordon can run to the sideline,
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon can get around the corner from from the Chargers,
Speaker 1: and Jalen from the middle of the field chased and
Speaker 1: fetched him finished the run behind the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: That right there should have been enough for me to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I was badly, badly wrong about the football player. And
Speaker 1: he's he's he's I don't know a player out here.
Speaker 1: And it happened to the last year with Byron Jones.
Speaker 1: Remember how many times Byron Jones got his hands on
Speaker 1: the ball, denied the ball. It seems like every day
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith is in coverage and he gets his hands
Speaker 1: on a ball, and you don't get your hands on
Speaker 1: ball by accident. It's positioning, it's it's speed, it's it's
Speaker 1: understanding of where you need to fit. And he's been
Speaker 1: able to do all those things. He's been one of
Speaker 1: the top players at this camp. If you had to vote,
Speaker 1: I think he would be in the top three of
Speaker 1: guys that are have gone through this Oxnar positioning of camp.
Speaker 1: You know. And and the thing that I think people
Speaker 1: didn't know about doctor Cooper, it wasn't just that he
Speaker 1: did this surgery. He's become known a renowned ACL repair
Speaker 1: surgeon in the country. I mean, Teddy Bridgewater came to him, Uh,
Speaker 1: Kyle Schwerber came to him, right. The guy was not
Speaker 1: going to play baseball for you know, looked like the
Speaker 1: rest of the year, and by the playoffs he's out
Speaker 1: there hitting a home run in doubles and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was like, were you surprised? And you know,
Speaker 1: he never pats himself on the back, but it was like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, if all he had to do not go
Speaker 1: out and play right field or first base, just just hit,
Speaker 1: you know, and if you hit a home run, you
Speaker 1: don't have to run. And so he's done a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys that have come to him that nobody
Speaker 1: knows that they come to Dallas to get their acl
Speaker 1: Doctor Andrews in Birmingham and doctor Cooper and Dallas wow
Speaker 1: to worldwide. Yeah, it's worked out. It's looking good. From
Speaker 1: number fifty four. One more guy you mentioned Byron Jones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of a surprise, maybe
Speaker 1: surprised the mickey that he's played as well on the
Speaker 1: outside as he has in camp. I mean, it's looked
Speaker 1: like a seamless transition for him for the most part
Speaker 1: out you know, go go and get a Star magazine
Speaker 1: training camp preview and we all contributed. Brian did all
Speaker 1: those player analysis and there were other stories. But if
Speaker 1: you read mine, it started off with about twelve questions
Speaker 1: that needed to be answered out here. It was that many.
Speaker 1: Now I don't know that we got an answer for
Speaker 1: ever every one of them. Randy Gregory was one of them, absolutely,
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith was one of them. Big Byron Jones was
Speaker 1: one of them. Who's gonna come in and take you know,
Speaker 1: David Irving spot, who's gonna play the right defensive end?
Speaker 1: I can go on, who's the backup quarterback? We didn't
Speaker 1: really know, um you know, is Jama's old Wally, you know,
Speaker 1: because is he a good replacement for Keith Smith. There
Speaker 1: was just all these questions that they had to answer
Speaker 1: out here. Now I'm not saying they aced every question.
Speaker 1: It's still to be the term on something, but they're
Speaker 1: doing a pretty good job of knocking them off one
Speaker 1: at a time. Yeah. Yeah, the Byron Jones one, that one,
Speaker 1: I believe. Give the player credit for his willingness to
Speaker 1: work in the transition. Give Chris Richard credit for immediately
Speaker 1: when they made the switch. I remembered us vividly of
Speaker 1: going down towards the locker room and Chris Rochard was
Speaker 1: standing there with Byron Jones and they were working on technique,
Speaker 1: just those two standing there, you know, talking about what
Speaker 1: they needed to do and how you needed to move
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And I think Chris Roshard convinced
Speaker 1: Byron Jones that you can do this, you can be
Speaker 1: a corner in the National Football League if I will
Speaker 1: work with you, I'll make sure that. And just through
Speaker 1: the portion of this practice is we've seen a guy
Speaker 1: talk about getting hands on the ball, offhand, drive, be physical,
Speaker 1: willing tackler. All these things are showing up for Byron Jones.
Speaker 1: Now we've seen this Byron Jones, have a great training
Speaker 1: camp before and just play. Okay, maybe this moved tower
Speaker 1: will now elevate him to where his game is now,
Speaker 1: you know, instead of just being level, is now going
Speaker 1: the right direction, you know. And since you brought that up,
Speaker 1: the other question was what happens when you change seven
Speaker 1: position coaches in one year. It's a good one too,
Speaker 1: and so far I don't I don't know that we've
Speaker 1: seen any trouble. I think Chris Richard was the key
Speaker 1: one because not only does he take care of his guys,
Speaker 1: but he's the past game coordinator on the Nichols, so
Speaker 1: now he's watching the linebackers and probably has a say
Speaker 1: good there. And Ben Bloom never had a position before.
Speaker 1: Keith O'Quinn was only an assistant special team Now we
Speaker 1: will see. We've only seen one game, but there was
Speaker 1: a lot of newbies, right. Doug Nussmeyer, I don't think
Speaker 1: he had coached, had he coached in the NFL. It
Speaker 1: was all college right, So well, I think that he was.
Speaker 1: I think he was a quality control coach for one
Speaker 1: for Scotland Hans someplace. Okay, one of Scotland hands and
Speaker 1: then he got into where he was at Michigan and
Speaker 1: Florida as an OC. And it doesn't hurt to have
Speaker 1: your tight end coach having been a former college offensive coordinator, right,
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of got another voice in the room.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that you know so far and
Speaker 1: Paul Alexander, you know, I don't think we've seen a
Speaker 1: drop off. And that's nothing against the other coaches that left,
Speaker 1: but I think christ Sire is probably the key factor
Speaker 1: in that whole. You know, chain talk about the offensive
Speaker 1: line a little bit. You give Alexander, give Mark Colombo
Speaker 1: some credit. They've got Kadeem Edwards actually playing pretty well.
Speaker 1: He's taken up, he's absorbed some of Marcus Martin snaps
Speaker 1: with second and you know it's it's not always going
Speaker 1: to be the prettiest thing. But yeah, that's a lot
Speaker 1: of work going on there, a lot of work. Describe
Speaker 1: a phone call before we go to break all in Philly.
Speaker 1: You're up first on talking Cowboys today. What's up? Morning,
Speaker 1: God morning. I'm really excited about the wide receiver position.
Speaker 1: Um can't wait till we prove that we don't need
Speaker 1: a number one to be successful. I'm really happy about
Speaker 1: the draft pick of late Vanderesh. I think, after all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, done be one of our best linebackers
Speaker 1: that ever lived in Cowboy history. Does cam Kelly have
Speaker 1: a shot of making his team where maybe to practice
Speaker 1: squad will um will will there be? Do I have
Speaker 1: a possibility of seeing um seeing Rod Smith get carries
Speaker 1: from the full back position. Maybe play Zeke and Smith
Speaker 1: in the same backfield and Rob Finally, Um, great job
Speaker 1: on the Parcels thing. Just want to let you know.
Speaker 1: On the morning of a preseason game in two thousand
Speaker 1: and three in Pittsburgh, Coach Hoffman came up to me
Speaker 1: who was really mad, and he was really mad that
Speaker 1: Parcels want to use Woody Danzler as a place as
Speaker 1: the holder for them for field goals. And I just
Speaker 1: thought that was so you'd like to know that. Take care. Thanks,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Thanks for watching well. They were trying
Speaker 1: to find a job for Woody dans Bill. Bill loved
Speaker 1: Woody dan did he absolutely When we watched tape on
Speaker 1: Woody Danzler, Bill was mesmerized by him. He thought, of
Speaker 1: Dave Meggett, that's right, that's right, and Meggatt was at
Speaker 1: that first training camp. I think that was one of
Speaker 1: these stories that made me do Mick, which is a
Speaker 1: good one. It was about a kind of similarities between
Speaker 1: the two or what Bill was trying to get out
Speaker 1: of it. Bill loved Dave Meggett and he loved Woody
Speaker 1: Danzler too, And Woody Danzler was a if you remember,
Speaker 1: mcclemson was a dynamic player. I mean he was when
Speaker 1: you put the ball in his hands almost he was
Speaker 1: a he was a bigger version of Tavon Austin, a
Speaker 1: stronger runner, right and and so, but he was. He
Speaker 1: was dynamite in this m vander esh best all time.
Speaker 1: I think that I think that you need to this.
Speaker 1: This organization has a great history of linebacker play. And
Speaker 1: if if he could find a way this first year,
Speaker 1: you know, he Mickey said this, he looks more comfortable playing,
Speaker 1: you know, and and before I don't think he looked
Speaker 1: totally comfortable play in the position. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the more they throw him out there, the more confidence
Speaker 1: he's gonna build. Uh. He made some stops in the
Speaker 1: red zone and some coverage situations. So I think that
Speaker 1: that's u at least let's go that way. First, you
Speaker 1: kind of gave him the again, Well this I I
Speaker 1: you know, my my history with the team is I
Speaker 1: family with season ticket holders for twenty years, so I
Speaker 1: saw from seventy two to ninety two, and then when
Speaker 1: I got to the Packers, we played against great linebackers
Speaker 1: as well. So I you know, if Layton van Rush
Speaker 1: could come in and do what he needs to do,
Speaker 1: he's a good enough athlete. He can finish when he
Speaker 1: gets in position. There's some things he's gonna have to learn,
Speaker 1: and that I think a lot of it has to
Speaker 1: do with experience, because the more experience they give him,
Speaker 1: the more he's seeing things, the better he's gonna be.
Speaker 1: He could have played better. He would have played better
Speaker 1: than anybody on that ninety two team at linebacker Robert
Speaker 1: Jones first round pick Smith, Robert Jones, Darren Smith was
Speaker 1: pretty good player. No, not not Darren Smith, um al
Speaker 1: Al Smith. It was the kid Smith's politician from there.
Speaker 1: And then the strong side linebacker was was just a
Speaker 1: was just a guy. I mean, Dixon Edwards can never
Speaker 1: break into the starting lineup. So but but there are yeah,
Speaker 1: there is, and you know as soon as well, how
Speaker 1: about the guy that's right now, number fifty, he's pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's one of the all times. Maybe that should be
Speaker 1: the standard. Yeah, I mean, if you can make an
Speaker 1: all pro like Sean Lee, if Jalen or Leyton can
Speaker 1: eventually get to that point, let's start there. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think they have a plan for this kid, I really
Speaker 1: really do. And about the wide receivers was another one
Speaker 1: at his points. I don't know if we're there. I'm
Speaker 1: one of the guys that believes you have to have
Speaker 1: it one. I think there's somebody that you that defenses
Speaker 1: has to fear. The coordineers have to fear, you know.
Speaker 1: But you know, if you could, if you could spread
Speaker 1: it around and make this work, you know, more power
Speaker 1: to him. But I think that you have to have
Speaker 1: I believe you have to have somebody that that you
Speaker 1: can go to, you can go to, you can go to,
Speaker 1: and then you know, everyone else is a complimentary piece
Speaker 1: to that. You know, if you can get a guy
Speaker 1: to elevate, you get a guy so a two one
Speaker 1: or a guy that's a three two. You know, guy,
Speaker 1: I'm saying that that's okay. I don't think you could
Speaker 1: have just a team of guys. I think he needs
Speaker 1: somebody you can hang your hat on a little bit with.
Speaker 1: With Ezekiel Elliott on the field, it'll make it more
Speaker 1: hopefully pliable. Hopefully well, but that's true, but you still
Speaker 1: need somebody to consist and maybe multiple guys to do
Speaker 1: what Michael Gallop did on that one drive like San Francisco, Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're going to give a single cover that that's that's
Speaker 1: over the top. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And that's
Speaker 1: and then and that's exactly right. That's that's what we
Speaker 1: got to find out. That's what you If Michael Gallop
Speaker 1: can come in here and develop as a one, you know,
Speaker 1: two one, if he could be that guy, then that
Speaker 1: that's great for this organization. They need somebody, you know.
Speaker 1: And the thing with Gallop what I've noticed him, he
Speaker 1: is not afraid to take that thing inside. When you
Speaker 1: get him down in the red zone and they run
Speaker 1: bunch formation and they drive him to the inside, he
Speaker 1: is not afraid to go when they're and get the football.
Speaker 1: And that's a good pass for Dak when he can
Speaker 1: hit receivers right over the top of the ball and
Speaker 1: then let those guys go all right, let's take our
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Speaker 1: always fun coming out here, getting out of the studio
Speaker 1: a little bit and uh and talking a little cowboys
Speaker 1: with practice or walkthroughs whatever right behind us. A little
Speaker 1: more energy when you're outside, but a little bit kind
Speaker 1: of juices you up. Now you get a little more
Speaker 1: distracted in this situation. That's okay. Yeah, sometimes quality of
Speaker 1: the information doesn't fall off less we start talking nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty three baseball. I'm gonna start forwarding all my tweets
Speaker 1: about people saying how I love your stories. They're great. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's the only ones, he answer. What about the host
Speaker 1: with you that are like, let's let's go just listen up,
Speaker 1: you might learn something. Okay, fair enough, all right, let's
Speaker 1: keep rolling. Walked right into that. Yeah I should know
Speaker 1: by now, right, you should, but you really don't. You
Speaker 1: just you just drive right into the fire. You know,
Speaker 1: what do you do? I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: All right, it's a mistake. I'm stupid, all right. Uh,
Speaker 1: looking at what they've done here in practice, for about
Speaker 1: two and a half weeks or so, we've talked about
Speaker 1: guys that have really stood out, either guys that you
Speaker 1: expected things from or that surprised you a little bit.
Speaker 1: Give me a guy or two that we need to
Speaker 1: see more from. And you mentioned Mike. There's still time here,
Speaker 1: there's still some practices left here and back home, and
Speaker 1: then we've got three preseason games left. Who needs to
Speaker 1: stand out here? As we keep going, I think I'm
Speaker 1: circling the defensive ends not named Gregory Crawford or DeMarcus Lawrence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Tapper needs a show some more. Yeah. I think Cony
Speaker 1: Ealy needs to show that was gonna be my guy
Speaker 1: because he's a guy they signed. And remember this is
Speaker 1: guy he's played in the Super Bowl, has played well.
Speaker 1: You sign him and think, Okay, if he gets his
Speaker 1: weight down, he gets recovered from that shoulder surgery, he
Speaker 1: can help this line. He still can. But I think
Speaker 1: Dawnce Armstrong has been a guy that's risen. There's one
Speaker 1: more up, Taco. Well, he's having a better camp than
Speaker 1: he did last year, right, who's having a better camp?
Speaker 1: Armstronger Taco Armstrong. I think Armstrong has been maybe the
Speaker 1: most consistent player at defensive end, not sides, not name tank. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know Tyrone's always steady. Sure, but this guy's
Speaker 1: really surprised people. I think as a pass rusher. As
Speaker 1: a past I don't know how well he'll play the run,
Speaker 1: but as a pass rusher, he's got that ability to
Speaker 1: turn bannd and not lose a step. If you watched
Speaker 1: last when we had training camp live, go back and
Speaker 1: watch that. You know that was really good. That was
Speaker 1: one on one stuff that was going on. You'll see
Speaker 1: some bend from that number seventy four. I mean, he
Speaker 1: knows how to get around the corner. I like his
Speaker 1: names though, I really do, and I is it is
Speaker 1: it bad for me to ask? I need to see
Speaker 1: more from Xavier Woods? No, not really, and Xavier Woods
Speaker 1: does not make mistakes, but does he make plays? You know.
Speaker 1: I mean that's where I'm trying to figure out, because
Speaker 1: I'm I'm the guy that they like, you know, push
Speaker 1: all the chips in and go get you know, Mickey's
Speaker 1: trying to be responsible and not let me burn the
Speaker 1: building down. You know. I'm trying to push this thing
Speaker 1: and he's saying, wait a minute. But I'm still need
Speaker 1: to see more from Xavier Woods. I'd like to see
Speaker 1: him in one of these preseason games when he gets
Speaker 1: the opportunity knock a ball down range, play intercept one.
Speaker 1: You know, I'd like to see I saw it like
Speaker 1: guys like Joe Thomas and those guys making plays. I'd
Speaker 1: like to just see some more from him to to
Speaker 1: to keep my thoughts that okay, they don't have to
Speaker 1: do something at safety. We talked, Yeah, you're right, we
Speaker 1: talked about it. That's what I'm trying to kind of
Speaker 1: figure out right now. I I loved Xavier Woods, and
Speaker 1: there's people out there like no I brought us, you were,
Speaker 1: you were on him, Now you hate him. I don't
Speaker 1: hate Xavier Woods. I just like to see him make
Speaker 1: more plays. You know, Jeff Heath is a guy that
Speaker 1: you see Jeff Heath make plays out here. You know,
Speaker 1: I feel good about him, but I'm just not sure
Speaker 1: right now with Xavier Woods saying okay, you're the starter,
Speaker 1: now go do it. Because there's not bus back there,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. But you want to see a little
Speaker 1: bit more. I'd like to see, you know. And maybe
Speaker 1: it's because Byron Jones is making plays. Maybe it's because
Speaker 1: Cheeto Ewoosier's making plays. Maybe I'm seeing guy Jeff Heath
Speaker 1: make a play. Maybe I'm seeing Joe Thomas make a play.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm seeing Jalen Smith make a play. Maybe I'm
Speaker 1: seeing Laton vander Esh make a play. I just want
Speaker 1: to know of my eleven that are gonna play. I
Speaker 1: want to see his ability. Now we could all say this,
Speaker 1: he's not screwing up. He's not giving up big plays.
Speaker 1: I mean the other night in the game, you know
Speaker 1: what happened to San Francisco game with him huff busts
Speaker 1: of coverage. All of a sudden, Pettis is behind. Now
Speaker 1: the balls down the field. Okay, if you saw that
Speaker 1: with Xavier Woods, you would say, oh, okay, okay, But
Speaker 1: I you know, he hasn't cost him anything. See that's
Speaker 1: and I think that's good. I think that's good. But
Speaker 1: I've I've seen eleven, ten, eight nine, whatever you want
Speaker 1: to say, defensive players at various times. But who are
Speaker 1: you mentioning? Are they second year players I mentioned, I
Speaker 1: mentioned the first year player? I mentioned, uh, I mentioned
Speaker 1: the linebacker vander Esh he's making a play. Yeah, it's closer.
Speaker 1: It's easier to make plays closer to the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage than what you're deep playing free syfety. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: just you know, come up, you know, I want to
Speaker 1: see him make plays. But I don't think he's hurt
Speaker 1: him No, And I said that he hasn't. We haven't
Speaker 1: seen major bus in the game or at practice really
Speaker 1: out here. He's he's he's carried out his assignments. Um,
Speaker 1: we haven't seen uh series changing plays from him out here, though,
Speaker 1: I mean, you see Byron Jones, and again, maybe it's
Speaker 1: different in that Byron Jones is playing a man who's
Speaker 1: trying to go get the ball. It's one on one coverage,
Speaker 1: and that's a little different. Maybe safeties because the way
Speaker 1: they play in practice, can't make plays, but you put
Speaker 1: him deep and yeah, the line sometimes maybe my my understandings.
Speaker 1: I would like to see the Cincinnati, the uh, the
Speaker 1: the Arizona, and I don't know if he's gonna please
Speaker 1: probably not gonna play against the Texas. So the next
Speaker 1: couple of weeks i'd like to see when when we're
Speaker 1: talking about man of the match, I want to see
Speaker 1: one of us ride about Xavier Woods as man of
Speaker 1: the match. You know, that's what I would like to see.
Speaker 1: Do it today, Just do it, just spite us. I
Speaker 1: thought he did a good job driving on that play
Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, watch him get beat several times. We'll
Speaker 1: see your man of the match. Yeah. Yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: want to jump the gun there for sure. People on
Speaker 1: Twitter remind Mickey if something happens today anybody else. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think we talked. You mentioned Dalton sterm a rookie.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Mike White, I was gonna throw him out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Cooper Rush at this point is
Speaker 1: that point job. He's your number two quarterback, and it's
Speaker 1: based on what we've seen out here as well as
Speaker 1: the way he played in the first time. I thought
Speaker 1: maybe Mike White in the Houston game will be it'll
Speaker 1: be a different story, you know, when he gets an
Speaker 1: opportunity to probably play the full game or But I
Speaker 1: had really high expectations of Mike White, and I know
Speaker 1: he's a rookie quarterback, but I there's there's things I've
Speaker 1: seen about him that I did not see on Western
Speaker 1: Kentucky tape. He was one of the best when it
Speaker 1: came to getting rid of the football, when it came
Speaker 1: to fifth step or shotgun, take it, get it. You know,
Speaker 1: he was one of those guys. And I love that
Speaker 1: about him. I'm not seeing that here. I'm seeing I'm
Speaker 1: seeing a little bit about like a he double clutched
Speaker 1: one the other day that he had no business double
Speaker 1: clutching in the in the red zone. So he's like,
Speaker 1: he's throwing and instead of throwing it, he pulls it back,
Speaker 1: he pulls it dawn, he pulls it back again, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, you cannot do that in the red zone.
Speaker 1: You can't do that. Is it moving that much faster
Speaker 1: for him? You think, well, sure it is. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: the other thing is he's a smart guy. Third string
Speaker 1: offensive line, yeah, but they're playing third string defense. McHale's
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, But so McKay's not bad. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: but it's not like he's playing with the starters. Well,
Speaker 1: well he's not gonna get that. No, I know, and
Speaker 1: I know Dack he's got to step up, and and
Speaker 1: I just I just want, I just want him when
Speaker 1: he gets an opportunity to do the two minute drill
Speaker 1: that it's it's it's bang bang bang, decisions, the balls moving,
Speaker 1: and he finishes Western Kentucky, Eastern Kentucky, Western Western. So
Speaker 1: he's playing with the first guys at Western Kentucky, not
Speaker 1: the scrubs. But he was he was a quality quarterback
Speaker 1: in college. That's but who's he playing with? That's all
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It takes a while, right, No, it does,
Speaker 1: it does. I was. I learned my lesson when Romo
Speaker 1: came out here, Right, the guy was garbage. Get rid
Speaker 1: of him. He can't throw the ball straight in The
Speaker 1: personnel departments say the same thing. So I think sometimes
Speaker 1: you just got to be patient with some I'm being patient.
Speaker 1: The problem is, though I've seen him perform at a
Speaker 1: high level, Well, Dan, let him, let him have some time.
Speaker 1: That's I'm gonna I'm no, I'm willing to give him
Speaker 1: time because you drafted him. To give him time. I
Speaker 1: feel like I just I was hopeful that it would
Speaker 1: be a better He's pushing Cooper Rush. He's pushing Cooper Rush.
Speaker 1: He's pushing him. He's making you think about putting him
Speaker 1: in the equation instead of now we're thinking about not
Speaker 1: carrying three quarterbacks. Yeah, well, because we're talking about how
Speaker 1: many wide receivers are gonna carry how many tight ends
Speaker 1: and that Ye does the math work? If you if
Speaker 1: you were not thinking about carrying, if you're if you're
Speaker 1: when you went into you're thinking, oh, they're gonna carry
Speaker 1: three quarterbacks. Now you're like, they might not carry three quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I don't know what my opinion was. Let's see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't immediately put him on the fifty three man roster.
Speaker 1: He was one of the questions. Now with Romo though
Speaker 1: when he first got here, was it more of a
Speaker 1: Brett Farve type thing like don't throw it there? Mike
Speaker 1: is trying It's almost like he's trying not to make
Speaker 1: a mistake. He's trying not to make a mistake, and
Speaker 1: he and Chucky he cut it loose. Quin Quincy doesn't
Speaker 1: get cut in two thousand and four, Romo's out of here.
Speaker 1: If Quincy didn't feel a drug test. He's not answered
Speaker 1: my question though. Well that was my point. But it's
Speaker 1: too different issues for a young quarterback, right, a guy
Speaker 1: that was too aggressive maybe versus a guy who's maybe
Speaker 1: a little too concerned. I don't know that he was
Speaker 1: too aggressive. He just wasn't very accurate throwing the ball,
Speaker 1: and then he developed fair throwing the ball better as
Speaker 1: he went along. He was always smart. He just like
Speaker 1: I said, you saw absolute brilliance and stupidity all in
Speaker 1: the same place with him. So, I mean, think about
Speaker 1: how long it took for him to actually get in
Speaker 1: a game. He yeah, two thousand and three, two thousand
Speaker 1: and four, he got in at the end of a
Speaker 1: couple in two thousand and five. Bill didn't want to
Speaker 1: ruin him. Bill kept well, he'd said it not ready,
Speaker 1: he's not ready, He's not ready, and he was ready.
Speaker 1: Maybe he was done. But also Bill didn't want to
Speaker 1: give up on Drew Blitz. That was gonna be true,
Speaker 1: that was gonna be one. Oh, I don't know. He
Speaker 1: did it in the middle of the season in two
Speaker 1: thousand and six, thanked him out at halftime. But but
Speaker 1: at that point in time, he was not willing to
Speaker 1: give up on Drew Bless Well, it was only two
Speaker 1: years yeah, oh five when blods got there. I do
Speaker 1: think you're right though in that. Let's give it a
Speaker 1: little time to these quarterbacks. Heads are swimming when they're
Speaker 1: out here, and it's and a lot of it is
Speaker 1: still installation, first part of camp. They're trying to process
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So we'll see they're they're still time.
Speaker 1: There's still time. Good, Mick, I'm good. All right, let's
Speaker 1: get out of here. We got the break hovering is
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Speaker 1: out then maybe it's yeah today am Yeah, the leaf
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