WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Wrapping Up from Oxnard 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:06.400 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:18.240 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:21.639 Training live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:34.199 Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips, 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:39.839 and Bill Jones. What's up? Welcome back to Cowboys Training 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:44.360 Camp in Oxnard, California for the final edition of Talking Cowboys. 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:48.599 From this Oxnard leg of Cowboys Training Camp. Rob Phillips 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:51.280 on our set for the final time out here on 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:55.279 the West Coast this year. Brian brought, Usky Spagnola, Bill 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:58.640 Jones is back in Dallas. He'll rejoin us as the 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.360 host and captain. Who we get back to the Star 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.840 in Frisco. What's up, guys? How much it's gone by? Yeah? 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:07.399 Ready to kind of finish this thing out? Yeah, it's 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:10.080 gone by kind of fast, right, sort of. I think 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.560 it has three weeks. I mean, before you knew it, 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.880 we were, you know, you did the blue white practice 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.280 and then a couple of practices, a game, a couple 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:23.279 of practices, and here we are basically two practices away 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:25.720 from pulling up stakes. So yeah, I think it went 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:31.440 by fast. The guys that were interviewing Zack Martin and 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:35.240 Travis Frederick yesterday said they were talking about how physical 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:37.080 the practice was, and I don't know that it was 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:40.800 more physical, but I think it's been more competitive, which 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:45.679 resulted being in more physical situations, especially for those offensive linemen. 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.320 You know, they got their jobs, but the majority of 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.720 those guys they're going up against in one on one 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:54.200 and team they're fighting for their careers and so I'm 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.560 sure they're not getting any brother in law out there. No, 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.800 you're absolutely right about that. I think the things Mickey 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:03.840 said absolutely right. With the competition of the practice. I'll 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:05.840 tell you another thing, I don't think these players and 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:09.200 coaches expected, but it was it was. It's good for 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:13.000 Jason Garrett and staff was here we go. The weather, 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:15.359 the fact that they did get heat and they did 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.480 get you know, you could still practice out here and 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:20.720 survive even though it's physical practices. You know, you could 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:22.800 still survive and you know, getting through the practice of 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:26.280 getting good work and concentrating. But they got really you know, 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:30.160 the weather conditions here were a lot warmer than normal, 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:32.600 and so you know, you look at those are kind 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:34.920 of those sneaky things when you're looking at the season, 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:37.520 you're going, well, hey, they got some It wasn't just 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:41.000 they didn't escape the heat completely, but they got some 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:42.160 of it here, and I thought that was a good 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:45.839 thing too. So one practice today in the afternoon, they're 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.320 going to come back, I believe, schedules of practice morning 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:52.160 ten thirty tomorrow tomorrow morning on Thursday, and then they're 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:56.440 breaking probably so probably say what they did last week 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:58.919 right absolute days before the game, sir. Now, they did 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.840 go two days in pads, but three days in pads 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.040 before that before they had to kind of light practice 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.080 really no helmets on. That's when it's kind of a 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.360 meeting on the field. Yeah, that's when Jason Garrett was 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:11.680 talking about he kind of he understood the condition of 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.600 his team. He saw some guys and they were giving 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.280 him great effort, but they didn't look as as you know, 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.280 the efforts good. But he said, you could tell they 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.760 were dragging a little bit. So, uh, he made that determination. 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:26.480 I think that we'll see the same thing, you know, 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.120 with try and get him ready for the Cincinnati game 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:31.440 coming up at being a home game at at and T. 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.520 So let these guys have an opportunity to go out 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:36.480 and shine in that, give him, let him be as 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:40.600 healthy as possible and go into that game Cincinnati at home, right, yes, 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:42.920 Saturday night at and T Stadium. So a little bit 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.600 of work before then. You mentioned, Brian the physical nature 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.840 of these practices, Yeah, Mickey two. And the running that 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:53.040 these guys, that these receivers are doing in TV in 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.400 the heat. I mean, how would you rank the kind 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.160 of the physicality and the work they put in this 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:00.600 camp compared to other Jason Garrett camps. Think they've done more. 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:02.360 They've done sprints at the end of practice, and I 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:05.080 think conditioning seems to be a focus. It does, maybe 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.600 even more so than it does. Yeah, it really does. 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:09.880 And I think it all really stems back to what 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:11.600 they were able to do in the OTAs and the 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:15.080 mini camps, and then in the off season when those 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.359 were over, you had guys staying at the Star, you 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:19.520 had people working out there, working out in one hundred 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.520 degree weather. There was a lot of running there. I've 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.200 been I've been a part of training camps before where 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.799 you've had conditioning at the end, but the coach takes 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:33.680 the receivers and defensive backs out of the drill, out 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:37.080 of the running because that's all they do, not Jason Garrett. 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:38.920 I mean those guys are right now. It's not full 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.839 on sprints, it's the strides and stuff like that. But 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:44.760 those guys are running from the time that horn blows 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.320 to the time that double horn blows to in practice. 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:51.400 So uh yeah, it's it's And I'll say this though, 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.520 and knock on wood as I say this, you haven't 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:59.120 had the soft tissue things. They've kind of cropped up it. 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:01.360 You know, we've seen before in some of these camps 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:05.560 where you do get an extensive amount of running and 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:07.280 then all of a sudden those things pop up. So 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:11.159 for the most part, again, uh, the receivers, defensive backs 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:14.400 have held up pretty well in these in these training 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:17.080 camp practices yoga, Mick. Well, you know the other thing 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.400 about this running, it's a younger team. Yes, you don't 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.280 want to run an older team into the ground and 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.599 then they come back to training to the star and 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.440 they're they're worn out. You got to make sure they, 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.400 you know, keep their legs. So thus the guys getting 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.279 their days off every once in a while, the older guys, 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.159 the established guys, and then make the young guys run. 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:40.560 And I think he's done that. Uh to what Brian's 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.800 point was when that one day the wide receivers were 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.520 absolutely dragon. There was only seven of them out there, 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.479 and after practice they ran all these routes and I'm going, God, 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.640 he's gonna kill these guys. Well, they ran sprints, but 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:58.040 theirs was about maybe half speed, third speed, and it's like, Okay, 0:05:58.080 --> 0:05:59.960 I know what we've been through. Let's let's just put 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:02.719 through this. So all in all, I think it was 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.760 well coordinated. Yeah, it's one of those these practices robbed 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:10.480 from a former personnel men's standpoint of evaluating the team. 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:13.520 I think you could watch the way that they run drills, 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.360 even even the stuff. You know, I was talking to 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.760 Gary Brown about this and some of the things that 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:19.520 he did the drills, and you could be able to 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:22.000 see the vision, the balance, you know, with his running backs, 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:25.599 and from a scouting perspective, you get a lot out 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.320 of watching this practice. There's not a lot of standing around. 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:33.120 There's there's competitive periods, there's one on one periods, there's 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:36.600 a team periods, there's individual stuff they go to they 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.720 hit the brakes and then you know in between and 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.159 but it's it's one of those ones if you sat 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:43.960 here and watched. You could get a lot. You could 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:48.240 evaluate ninety players out there practicing, no cupcakes being pastor 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.360 and it's not caucake out here. No, I don't think 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:53.000 so either. All right, let's uh, by the way, phone 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.839 number nine seven two four nine seven forty four hundred 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:57.520 if you want to join us over the next hour, 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:02.160 and we're gonna I mean, it's it's hard to have 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:05.359 like a retrospective when they're gonna get back to Dallas, 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.320 they're gonna play a game on Saturday, and then they're 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:09.640 gonna have I think a set of five practices out 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:11.800 at Fort Center which fans can come out in attend. Yes, 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:15.280 so training camp doesn't end here. No, but we've seen 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:19.240 roughly three weeks of work out here. Let's look back 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:21.000 a little bit on the show kind of see what 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:24.000 we've evaluated, what we like, what we didn't like, and 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:27.840 maybe we start with maybe the biggest storyline going into camp, 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:32.280 Dak Prescott and the receivers. How that has sorted itself 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.280 out or has it been sorted out so far after 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.240 three weeks. I don't think it's been sorted out. I 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:39.360 think you got six or seven guys in the way 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:44.680 they've been practicing. There's seemingly are interchangeable. No one's got 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.800 you know, goes out every snap with the ones, or 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:50.120 some guy goes out with every snap of the twos. 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:53.200 They rotate those guys through and you know, I think 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.840 that's a good thing this early. Now, at some point 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.000 you're gonna figure out, Okay, here's my three guys, here's 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.440 my fourth guy, and they'll kind of be a more 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:05.120 of a rotation that you can can count on. But 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.000 for now, keep doing what they're doing and let get 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:12.440 let all these guys get experienced at several different spots. Yeah, 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:17.720 I totally agree with on that situation. With the what 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:20.360 we've seen with Prescott is there's been some very good 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.880 practices he's had. We've seen command of throwing, the intermediate 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:27.600 underneath stuff, the touch, the leadership, moving the team, you know, 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.760 the ball handling stuff. Made some really good things from him. 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.400 Still working on the deep ball stuff, still trying to 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.400 get it down the field, missed a couple here and there, 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.120 but then he hits one in the game, so you're 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.719 like going, Okay, it's it's gonna come along here. It's 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:41.880 all about, you know, his mechanics, how he stands in 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.719 the pocket those things. As far as the receivers go, 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:47.600 I think it's down to like a couple of final 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.959 spots and where you where the couple of final spots 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:53.679 are agent can a guy. You know, there's been no 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:57.480 Noah Brown, which is a little bit disappointing. There's been 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:01.320 no Thompson, which has been disappointing, But that doesn't mean 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:06.000 that you know, McKay and Cannon and Lenore and those 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.319 guys haven't stepped up at times. I you know, I 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.679 think that the one those you know, sometimes you get 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:13.439 to the bottom of the roster with those guys like 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.600 a McKay, you know, and you're going, okay, he's got 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.400 no shot, but he's kind of put himself in the mix. 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.079 He's a different body type of a guy than what 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:25.280 they have. So you know, he's got three more games 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:27.960 to to really try and get into that spot. Lance 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:31.920 Lenore has had some really good practices himself. He's trying 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.760 to put himself in that spot. So you know, it's 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.920 it's it's a shame for Thompson and Noah Brown. You know, 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:42.600 one of those guys might make this team just not practicing, 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.400 just out of like okay, we signed this guy and 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.240 or we know this guy, and boy that that that 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:52.360 might be unfortunate for a guy like Lance Lenore or 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:54.880 McKay or one of those guys that's really gone through 0:09:54.920 --> 0:10:00.120 the whole entire practice or maybe not m I mean 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.439 maybe not in the way of Lance lanor is not 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.400 gonna get xed out. Yeah, but I'm just saying, if 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:07.559 you if you count, if they keep six, he's hard 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.480 to cut right now. Yeah, if you're if you're Jason Garrett, 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:12.400 I just use him as the name of the guys 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:15.920 that if you think about four guys, you know, if 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:17.800 you think about four receivers, and then who were the 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:21.199 other two receivers and and very well be right, Mickey, 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.280 I mean maybe you count Thompson as a special teams 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.600 guy and not just solely a wide receiver. Yeah, that's 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:29.000 what I was gonna think. That was thinking what I 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:33.240 was thinking of Noah Brown. Yeah. See that's the thing. 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.960 They know Noah Brown, they do. But Sanjay Law loves 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.200 Deante Thompson and that carries some way. That's what I'm 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:43.439 There's gonna be, there's gonna be there's gonna be a 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:46.000 guy or two on this team that gets cut that 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.160 probably didn't deserve to be cut, and it and most 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:52.760 likely will come from the wide receiver crew if I 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:54.960 if I had to, and and I think there might 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.959 be a cornerback, well, I shouldn't say the cornerback yet 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:01.520 because the corner fine, the fine. Yeah, the cornerbacks have 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:04.320 been interesting in a way that that you see him 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.760 practice very well and then they get in the game 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.760 and it's not the same. And I was kind of hopeful. 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:13.600 You've seen guys practice, We've seen Joe Thomas practice very well. 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.679 We've seen Joe Thomas at the linebacker play very well. 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:21.600 You know that those are things We've seen Antoine Woods 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:26.000 practice well and we've seen him play well. So that's 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:28.640 I was hopeful that some of these corners would be 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.360 able to carry that into the game, especially those young 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.720 corners Olumba, you know, Ward, I was hopeful that they 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:38.160 and they're still opportunity time, there's time. But as we're 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:41.520 as we're talking about the end of the Oxnard portion 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.319 of practice, that's what I'm that's as if they're not 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:47.559 gonna make it. Yeah. Yeah, And you're also in the secondary, 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.439 you're looking for another safety to add some depth too. 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:55.240 Behind Xavier Woods, Jeff Heath, who, by the way, mildly 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.280 sprained his ankles the other day. Yeah, talk to him 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.360 about that. But you look at numbers there and you 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:04.559 know you lost um Huff Marquess and Huff's dealing with 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:06.880 a growing injury. You got Cavon Frazier, who's back, But like, 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:10.520 who's gonna step up at that other corner safe? Who 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:12.840 else is gonna add some depth there? See, there's are 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:15.559 you keeping extra safety and one of those guys is 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.839 either or you could do that you keep get another 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.560 cornerback in there, either or they can play safety. They 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:25.600 can play corner for you tight end too. I mean, 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.360 have you seen anybody else that caught your eye after 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:33.160 Huff after those guys? Not really No, And I was 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.160 not consistently I was hopeful. I was hopeful that Woods 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:40.680 or not Woods uh uh, cam Kelly, Kelly cam Kelly 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:44.160 would be a guy that or williams Uh Robinson? Is 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:47.400 I'm right about that? Robinson? Yeah, you know I said 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.880 Woods flashing you a little bit. But yeah, but see 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.440 that's the thing about it is I haven't seen enough 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.719 to where you know, there's might be a couple of 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.280 spots where they're okay, where would you probably claim a 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:00.800 guy or two again from the oxen Are portion of 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.320 practice right now? I think they would if they were 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:07.160 looking at guys safety as a possible claim, and maybe 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.400 even offensive lineman is a possible claim. You know, if 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.120 you look for that final that final spot, if you 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:18.520 don't trust Kadeem Edwards, if you don't trust Chaz Green, 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.839 if you don't trust uh, you know, Cam Fleming is 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:23.880 going to be the guy. But if you know for 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:27.200 that last spot, there could be a couple of different 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.559 spot a couple of different opportunities for somebody outside of 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:35.360 this football team, because it hasn't short shown uh shown, yeah, 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.680 shown itself here you know that that And again Oxnart 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.079 portion exactly. We're we're we're jumping the gun here just 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:44.240 a little bit. But I mean this is look we've 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.199 we haven't I think we've built enough body of work 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.199 to at least make some evaluations to this point on 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:52.560 how guys have performed. And you mentioned guard Marcus Martin 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.599 officially on IR his season's done so and that was 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.839 a guy they signed to provide some insurance in the 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.400 middle there and Joe Looney's kind of your backup center, 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.640 So you need somebody else's best player on the offensive line. Yeah, 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:07.960 so that's another spot. And you mentioned throughout tight end 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:10.599 just a minute ago. I mean, are they gonna go 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:12.880 status quo there? You think by the end of preseason 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.120 you mean just three well, I mean, could they look 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:18.440 outside for a veteran there? Do you think Jeff Swaim 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:21.160 is shown he can be the veteran guy there? And 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.440 then you've got some guys with certain traits like Blake 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.800 Jarwin who can catch the ball, get down field or 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:29.720 clearly the receiver of ye the tight end group. Yeah, 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:31.680 you know, I think that one's still got to shook 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:33.480 itself out a little bit over the next couple of weeks. 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:37.400 Jar one's gotta start blocking better. Yeah. I think Swaim 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:40.200 has been solid. I think he's been who he is 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:42.960 and that's kind of an all around dependable guy. Um, 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:45.680 but you know, there was talk about, you know, they're 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.320 they're largely unproven. Could they look at maybe you know, 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:50.600 ask the guy a veteran at some point. So you're 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.480 gonna add somebody else's team fourth or fifth tight end, 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.480 it might be better than it might be better than 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.200 what you're playing with. I mean that's what that's why 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.160 I have to look at that. I mean you their 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:06.600 determination is is can they find a James Hannis somewhere? 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:08.960 You know, that's where they have to that if they 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:12.200 if James Hannah was on this group, on this roster, 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:14.760 I think it would be we'd have a different opinion 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:16.840 about the blocking tight end and what you know that 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.720 that availability of that kind of a guy. You know, yes, 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:25.480 someone's gonna get cut. That's probably same or not as good. 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:28.480 But do you trust Rico Gathers or do they trust 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:31.520 Rico Gathers or just don't play many downs with a 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:33.560 tight end. You don't have to have a tight end, 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.440 well they do. They do the tight ends where they're 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.200 gonna where they're gonna use their tight ends if they 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.480 don't use them in the running game or that just 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.720 in the normal offensive sets. Is they those guys all 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.680 play special teams. Every one of those guys, you know, 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.240 play some form of special teams. And that's one of 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:51.400 the things that Keith O'Quinn was talking about. He's got 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:54.280 more linebackers, he's got more tight ends that plays special teams. 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:56.880 So if you don't use them as if you don't 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.440 use them in the offensive scheme. I would rather have 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:04.160 players that legitimate can play special teams, not just some 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:05.800 guy that you're trying to put out there and be 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.200 a special teams player. And maybe you use the fullback 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:09.920 a little bit more instead of a tight end. You 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:13.880 do that maze. There's different ways, I mean, just just 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:16.080 different ways to do it. I don't think the tight 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:20.080 end holds you hostage. My question though, is is you 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:23.960 know who's who's emerged there. What does that rotation potentially 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.040 look like? Well, after three and a half weeks it's 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.920 Jeff Swain. You haven't seen anything differently see. But this 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:31.240 is where I disagree with you on the tight end spot. 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.920 If you look as much as his team boots waggles, 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.800 stuff like that movement in the pocket. What's the one 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.080 thing they do. It's one short, one long. It's a 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:42.000 it's a it's a drag tight end. It's a route behind. 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:44.680 Sometimes they get in twelve personnel, it's a it's two 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.720 tight ends, one drag, one behind. If you're gonna be 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.960 a team, it's gonna play action and move the pocket. 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:53.560 You're gonna find ways to use your tight ends throwing 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:55.480 the ball that way. If that's it, they want to 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.040 continue if they want to have now maybe they have that, 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:00.280 Maybe they have that with Jeff Swain in there, maybe 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.480 they had that with Blake Jarwin in there. But it's 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.080 been a little bit of a struggle for Schultz, their rookie. Yeah, 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.080 to me, that's that's the one that's been really surprising 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:10.399 to me. I mean, I think there's and I know 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.040 we'll probably get into his show goes on, but there's 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.240 a couple of a couple of players that have surprised 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:20.680 me that haven't haven't shown the ability that I saw 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:23.840 coming into this. Yeah, that that's a that's a little 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:27.080 bit disappointing to me. And I you know, again Oxnard, 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:30.359 portion of the practice time to try and develop you know, 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.840 those guys. But I've been I think that Dalton Schultz 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:35.720 has been a guy that I felt like was going 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.720 to come in here push for an opportunity to start 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.920 as a blocker, as a catcher, you know, kind of 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.560 a complete tied end, and it really hasn't materialized for 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:46.640 him that way. Well, if you think about it, last 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.479 year that that reverse boot and throwing the tight end 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:53.800 wasn't very successful, and it wasn't very successful, uh down 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:58.120 the stretch. If you think about it, yea was keeping 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.639 it or he's throwing it in the ground because no 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:03.600 one was open. Now the difference is you got Zeke 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.520 on the field, right yeah, and when you you know, 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.639 play fake the handoff to him, they got to account 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:11.680 for him. They can't just assume that you're not given 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:13.800 it to Alfred Morris and that you're going to roll out. 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.240 So I just think there's different ways to do that stuff. 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:20.080 If you think your tight end is not up to 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:23.800 part fair enough. You spoke of Man of the Match. 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.000 We've got that series going on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.800 Camp Stars, we call it match Match. We come back, 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:30.560 let's talk about some men of the match, men of 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:32.920 training camp, guys that have stepped up. 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