1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys 3 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 1: Training live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 4 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips, 5 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. What's up? Welcome back to Cowboys Training 6 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: Camp in Oxnard, California for the final edition of Talking Cowboys. 7 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: From this Oxnard leg of Cowboys Training Camp. Rob Phillips 8 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: on our set for the final time out here on 9 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 1: the West Coast this year. Brian brought, Usky Spagnola, Bill 10 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: Jones is back in Dallas. He'll rejoin us as the 11 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: host and captain. Who we get back to the Star 12 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: in Frisco. What's up, guys? How much it's gone by? Yeah? 13 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: Ready to kind of finish this thing out? Yeah, it's 14 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: gone by kind of fast, right, sort of. I think 15 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: it has three weeks. I mean, before you knew it, 16 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: we were, you know, you did the blue white practice 17 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: and then a couple of practices, a game, a couple 18 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,279 Speaker 1: of practices, and here we are basically two practices away 19 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: from pulling up stakes. So yeah, I think it went 20 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: by fast. The guys that were interviewing Zack Martin and 21 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: Travis Frederick yesterday said they were talking about how physical 22 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: the practice was, and I don't know that it was 23 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: more physical, but I think it's been more competitive, which 24 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: resulted being in more physical situations, especially for those offensive linemen. 25 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: You know, they got their jobs, but the majority of 26 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: those guys they're going up against in one on one 27 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: and team they're fighting for their careers and so I'm 28 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: sure they're not getting any brother in law out there. No, 29 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right about that. I think the things Mickey 30 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: said absolutely right. With the competition of the practice. I'll 31 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: tell you another thing, I don't think these players and 32 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: coaches expected, but it was it was. It's good for 33 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: Jason Garrett and staff was here we go. The weather, 34 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: the fact that they did get heat and they did 35 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: get you know, you could still practice out here and 36 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: survive even though it's physical practices. You know, you could 37 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: still survive and you know, getting through the practice of 38 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: getting good work and concentrating. But they got really you know, 39 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: the weather conditions here were a lot warmer than normal, 40 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: and so you know, you look at those are kind 41 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: of those sneaky things when you're looking at the season, 42 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: you're going, well, hey, they got some It wasn't just 43 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: they didn't escape the heat completely, but they got some 44 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: of it here, and I thought that was a good 45 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,839 Speaker 1: thing too. So one practice today in the afternoon, they're 46 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: going to come back, I believe, schedules of practice morning 47 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: ten thirty tomorrow tomorrow morning on Thursday, and then they're 48 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: breaking probably so probably say what they did last week 49 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: right absolute days before the game, sir. Now, they did 50 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: go two days in pads, but three days in pads 51 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: before that before they had to kind of light practice 52 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: really no helmets on. That's when it's kind of a 53 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: meeting on the field. Yeah, that's when Jason Garrett was 54 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: talking about he kind of he understood the condition of 55 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: his team. He saw some guys and they were giving 56 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: him great effort, but they didn't look as as you know, 57 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: the efforts good. But he said, you could tell they 58 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: were dragging a little bit. So, uh, he made that determination. 59 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: I think that we'll see the same thing, you know, 60 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: with try and get him ready for the Cincinnati game 61 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: coming up at being a home game at at and T. 62 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: So let these guys have an opportunity to go out 63 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: and shine in that, give him, let him be as 64 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: healthy as possible and go into that game Cincinnati at home, right, yes, 65 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: Saturday night at and T Stadium. So a little bit 66 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: of work before then. You mentioned, Brian the physical nature 67 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: of these practices, Yeah, Mickey two. And the running that 68 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: these guys, that these receivers are doing in TV in 69 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: the heat. I mean, how would you rank the kind 70 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: of the physicality and the work they put in this 71 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: camp compared to other Jason Garrett camps. Think they've done more. 72 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: They've done sprints at the end of practice, and I 73 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: think conditioning seems to be a focus. It does, maybe 74 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: even more so than it does. Yeah, it really does. 75 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: And I think it all really stems back to what 76 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: they were able to do in the OTAs and the 77 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: mini camps, and then in the off season when those 78 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: were over, you had guys staying at the Star, you 79 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: had people working out there, working out in one hundred 80 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: degree weather. There was a lot of running there. I've 81 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: been I've been a part of training camps before where 82 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,799 Speaker 1: you've had conditioning at the end, but the coach takes 83 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: the receivers and defensive backs out of the drill, out 84 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: of the running because that's all they do, not Jason Garrett. 85 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: I mean those guys are right now. It's not full 86 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: on sprints, it's the strides and stuff like that. But 87 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: those guys are running from the time that horn blows 88 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: to the time that double horn blows to in practice. 89 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: So uh yeah, it's it's And I'll say this though, 90 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: and knock on wood as I say this, you haven't 91 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: had the soft tissue things. They've kind of cropped up it. 92 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: You know, we've seen before in some of these camps 93 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: where you do get an extensive amount of running and 94 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden those things pop up. So 95 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: for the most part, again, uh, the receivers, defensive backs 96 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: have held up pretty well in these in these training 97 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: camp practices yoga, Mick. Well, you know the other thing 98 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: about this running, it's a younger team. Yes, you don't 99 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: want to run an older team into the ground and 100 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: then they come back to training to the star and 101 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: they're they're worn out. You got to make sure they, 102 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: you know, keep their legs. So thus the guys getting 103 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: their days off every once in a while, the older guys, 104 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: the established guys, and then make the young guys run. 105 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: And I think he's done that. Uh to what Brian's 106 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: point was when that one day the wide receivers were 107 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: absolutely dragon. There was only seven of them out there, 108 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: and after practice they ran all these routes and I'm going, God, 109 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: he's gonna kill these guys. Well, they ran sprints, but 110 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: theirs was about maybe half speed, third speed, and it's like, Okay, 111 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: I know what we've been through. Let's let's just put 112 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: through this. So all in all, I think it was 113 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: well coordinated. Yeah, it's one of those these practices robbed 114 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: from a former personnel men's standpoint of evaluating the team. 115 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: I think you could watch the way that they run drills, 116 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: even even the stuff. You know, I was talking to 117 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: Gary Brown about this and some of the things that 118 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: he did the drills, and you could be able to 119 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: see the vision, the balance, you know, with his running backs, 120 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: and from a scouting perspective, you get a lot out 121 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: of watching this practice. There's not a lot of standing around. 122 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: There's there's competitive periods, there's one on one periods, there's 123 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: a team periods, there's individual stuff they go to they 124 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: hit the brakes and then you know in between and 125 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: but it's it's one of those ones if you sat 126 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: here and watched. You could get a lot. You could 127 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: evaluate ninety players out there practicing, no cupcakes being pastor 128 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: and it's not caucake out here. No, I don't think 129 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: so either. All right, let's uh, by the way, phone 130 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: number nine seven two four nine seven forty four hundred 131 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: if you want to join us over the next hour, 132 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: and we're gonna I mean, it's it's hard to have 133 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: like a retrospective when they're gonna get back to Dallas, 134 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: they're gonna play a game on Saturday, and then they're 135 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: gonna have I think a set of five practices out 136 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: at Fort Center which fans can come out in attend. Yes, 137 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: so training camp doesn't end here. No, but we've seen 138 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: roughly three weeks of work out here. Let's look back 139 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: a little bit on the show kind of see what 140 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: we've evaluated, what we like, what we didn't like, and 141 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: maybe we start with maybe the biggest storyline going into camp, 142 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott and the receivers. How that has sorted itself 143 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: out or has it been sorted out so far after 144 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: three weeks. I don't think it's been sorted out. I 145 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: think you got six or seven guys in the way 146 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: they've been practicing. There's seemingly are interchangeable. No one's got 147 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: you know, goes out every snap with the ones, or 148 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: some guy goes out with every snap of the twos. 149 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: They rotate those guys through and you know, I think 150 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: that's a good thing this early. Now, at some point 151 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna figure out, Okay, here's my three guys, here's 152 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: my fourth guy, and they'll kind of be a more 153 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: of a rotation that you can can count on. But 154 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: for now, keep doing what they're doing and let get 155 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: let all these guys get experienced at several different spots. Yeah, 156 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: I totally agree with on that situation. With the what 157 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: we've seen with Prescott is there's been some very good 158 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: practices he's had. We've seen command of throwing, the intermediate 159 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: underneath stuff, the touch, the leadership, moving the team, you know, 160 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: the ball handling stuff. Made some really good things from him. 161 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: Still working on the deep ball stuff, still trying to 162 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: get it down the field, missed a couple here and there, 163 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: but then he hits one in the game, so you're 164 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,719 Speaker 1: like going, Okay, it's it's gonna come along here. It's 165 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: all about, you know, his mechanics, how he stands in 166 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 1: the pocket those things. As far as the receivers go, 167 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: I think it's down to like a couple of final 168 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 1: spots and where you where the couple of final spots 169 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: are agent can a guy. You know, there's been no 170 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: Noah Brown, which is a little bit disappointing. There's been 171 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: no Thompson, which has been disappointing, But that doesn't mean 172 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: that you know, McKay and Cannon and Lenore and those 173 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: guys haven't stepped up at times. I you know, I 174 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: think that the one those you know, sometimes you get 175 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: to the bottom of the roster with those guys like 176 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: a McKay, you know, and you're going, okay, he's got 177 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: no shot, but he's kind of put himself in the mix. 178 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: He's a different body type of a guy than what 179 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: they have. So you know, he's got three more games 180 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: to to really try and get into that spot. Lance 181 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: Lenore has had some really good practices himself. He's trying 182 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: to put himself in that spot. So you know, it's 183 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: it's it's a shame for Thompson and Noah Brown. You know, 184 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: one of those guys might make this team just not practicing, 185 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: just out of like okay, we signed this guy and 186 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: or we know this guy, and boy that that that 187 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: might be unfortunate for a guy like Lance Lenore or 188 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: McKay or one of those guys that's really gone through 189 00:09:54,920 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: the whole entire practice or maybe not m I mean 190 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: maybe not in the way of Lance lanor is not 191 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: gonna get xed out. Yeah, but I'm just saying, if 192 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: you if you count, if they keep six, he's hard 193 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: to cut right now. Yeah, if you're if you're Jason Garrett, 194 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: I just use him as the name of the guys 195 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: that if you think about four guys, you know, if 196 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: you think about four receivers, and then who were the 197 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: other two receivers and and very well be right, Mickey, 198 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: I mean maybe you count Thompson as a special teams 199 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: guy and not just solely a wide receiver. Yeah, that's 200 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: what I was gonna think. That was thinking what I 201 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: was thinking of Noah Brown. Yeah. See that's the thing. 202 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: They know Noah Brown, they do. But Sanjay Law loves 203 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: Deante Thompson and that carries some way. That's what I'm 204 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: There's gonna be, there's gonna be there's gonna be a 205 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: guy or two on this team that gets cut that 206 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: probably didn't deserve to be cut, and it and most 207 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: likely will come from the wide receiver crew if I 208 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: if I had to, and and I think there might 209 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: be a cornerback, well, I shouldn't say the cornerback yet 210 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: because the corner fine, the fine. Yeah, the cornerbacks have 211 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: been interesting in a way that that you see him 212 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: practice very well and then they get in the game 213 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: and it's not the same. And I was kind of hopeful. 214 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: You've seen guys practice, We've seen Joe Thomas practice very well. 215 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: We've seen Joe Thomas at the linebacker play very well. 216 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: You know that those are things We've seen Antoine Woods 217 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: practice well and we've seen him play well. So that's 218 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: I was hopeful that some of these corners would be 219 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: able to carry that into the game, especially those young 220 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: corners Olumba, you know, Ward, I was hopeful that they 221 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: and they're still opportunity time, there's time. But as we're 222 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: as we're talking about the end of the Oxnard portion 223 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 1: of practice, that's what I'm that's as if they're not 224 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 1: gonna make it. Yeah. Yeah, And you're also in the secondary, 225 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: you're looking for another safety to add some depth too. 226 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: Behind Xavier Woods, Jeff Heath, who, by the way, mildly 227 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: sprained his ankles the other day. Yeah, talk to him 228 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: about that. But you look at numbers there and you 229 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: know you lost um Huff Marquess and Huff's dealing with 230 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: a growing injury. You got Cavon Frazier, who's back, But like, 231 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: who's gonna step up at that other corner safe? Who 232 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: else is gonna add some depth there? See, there's are 233 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 1: you keeping extra safety and one of those guys is 234 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: either or you could do that you keep get another 235 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: cornerback in there, either or they can play safety. They 236 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: can play corner for you tight end too. I mean, 237 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: have you seen anybody else that caught your eye after 238 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: Huff after those guys? Not really No, And I was 239 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: not consistently I was hopeful. I was hopeful that Woods 240 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: or not Woods uh uh, cam Kelly, Kelly cam Kelly 241 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: would be a guy that or williams Uh Robinson? Is 242 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: I'm right about that? Robinson? Yeah, you know I said 243 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: Woods flashing you a little bit. But yeah, but see 244 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: that's the thing about it is I haven't seen enough 245 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 1: to where you know, there's might be a couple of 246 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: spots where they're okay, where would you probably claim a 247 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: guy or two again from the oxen Are portion of 248 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: practice right now? I think they would if they were 249 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: looking at guys safety as a possible claim, and maybe 250 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: even offensive lineman is a possible claim. You know, if 251 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: you look for that final that final spot, if you 252 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: don't trust Kadeem Edwards, if you don't trust Chaz Green, 253 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 1: if you don't trust uh, you know, Cam Fleming is 254 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: going to be the guy. But if you know for 255 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: that last spot, there could be a couple of different 256 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 1: spot a couple of different opportunities for somebody outside of 257 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: this football team, because it hasn't short shown uh shown, yeah, 258 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: shown itself here you know that that And again Oxnart 259 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: portion exactly. We're we're we're jumping the gun here just 260 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: a little bit. But I mean this is look we've 261 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 1: we haven't I think we've built enough body of work 262 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: to at least make some evaluations to this point on 263 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: how guys have performed. And you mentioned guard Marcus Martin 264 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,599 Speaker 1: officially on IR his season's done so and that was 265 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 1: a guy they signed to provide some insurance in the 266 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: middle there and Joe Looney's kind of your backup center, 267 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: So you need somebody else's best player on the offensive line. Yeah, 268 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: so that's another spot. And you mentioned throughout tight end 269 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,599 Speaker 1: just a minute ago. I mean, are they gonna go 270 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: status quo there? You think by the end of preseason 271 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: you mean just three well, I mean, could they look 272 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: outside for a veteran there? Do you think Jeff Swaim 273 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: is shown he can be the veteran guy there? And 274 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: then you've got some guys with certain traits like Blake 275 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: Jarwin who can catch the ball, get down field or 276 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: clearly the receiver of ye the tight end group. Yeah, 277 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: you know, I think that one's still got to shook 278 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: itself out a little bit over the next couple of weeks. 279 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: Jar one's gotta start blocking better. Yeah. I think Swaim 280 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: has been solid. I think he's been who he is 281 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: and that's kind of an all around dependable guy. Um, 282 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: but you know, there was talk about, you know, they're 283 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: they're largely unproven. Could they look at maybe you know, 284 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: ask the guy a veteran at some point. So you're 285 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: gonna add somebody else's team fourth or fifth tight end, 286 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: it might be better than it might be better than 287 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: what you're playing with. I mean that's what that's why 288 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: I have to look at that. I mean you their 289 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: determination is is can they find a James Hannis somewhere? 290 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: You know, that's where they have to that if they 291 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: if James Hannah was on this group, on this roster, 292 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: I think it would be we'd have a different opinion 293 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: about the blocking tight end and what you know that 294 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: that availability of that kind of a guy. You know, yes, 295 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: someone's gonna get cut. That's probably same or not as good. 296 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: But do you trust Rico Gathers or do they trust 297 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: Rico Gathers or just don't play many downs with a 298 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: tight end. You don't have to have a tight end, 299 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: well they do. They do the tight ends where they're 300 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: gonna where they're gonna use their tight ends if they 301 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: don't use them in the running game or that just 302 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: in the normal offensive sets. Is they those guys all 303 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: play special teams. Every one of those guys, you know, 304 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: play some form of special teams. And that's one of 305 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: the things that Keith O'Quinn was talking about. He's got 306 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: more linebackers, he's got more tight ends that plays special teams. 307 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: So if you don't use them as if you don't 308 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: use them in the offensive scheme. I would rather have 309 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: players that legitimate can play special teams, not just some 310 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: guy that you're trying to put out there and be 311 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: a special teams player. And maybe you use the fullback 312 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: a little bit more instead of a tight end. You 313 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: do that maze. There's different ways, I mean, just just 314 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: different ways to do it. I don't think the tight 315 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: end holds you hostage. My question though, is is you 316 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: know who's who's emerged there. What does that rotation potentially 317 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: look like? Well, after three and a half weeks it's 318 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: Jeff Swain. You haven't seen anything differently see. But this 319 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: is where I disagree with you on the tight end spot. 320 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: If you look as much as his team boots waggles, 321 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: stuff like that movement in the pocket. What's the one 322 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: thing they do. It's one short, one long. It's a 323 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: it's a it's a drag tight end. It's a route behind. 324 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: Sometimes they get in twelve personnel, it's a it's two 325 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: tight ends, one drag, one behind. If you're gonna be 326 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: a team, it's gonna play action and move the pocket. 327 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: You're gonna find ways to use your tight ends throwing 328 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: the ball that way. If that's it, they want to 329 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: continue if they want to have now maybe they have that, 330 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: Maybe they have that with Jeff Swain in there, maybe 331 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: they had that with Blake Jarwin in there. But it's 332 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: been a little bit of a struggle for Schultz, their rookie. Yeah, 333 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: to me, that's that's the one that's been really surprising 334 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: to me. I mean, I think there's and I know 335 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: we'll probably get into his show goes on, but there's 336 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: a couple of a couple of players that have surprised 337 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: me that haven't haven't shown the ability that I saw 338 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: coming into this. Yeah, that that's a that's a little 339 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: bit disappointing to me. And I you know, again Oxnard, 340 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: portion of the practice time to try and develop you know, 341 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: those guys. But I've been I think that Dalton Schultz 342 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: has been a guy that I felt like was going 343 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: to come in here push for an opportunity to start 344 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: as a blocker, as a catcher, you know, kind of 345 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: a complete tied end, and it really hasn't materialized for 346 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: him that way. Well, if you think about it, last 347 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,479 Speaker 1: year that that reverse boot and throwing the tight end 348 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: wasn't very successful, and it wasn't very successful, uh down 349 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: the stretch. If you think about it, yea was keeping 350 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: it or he's throwing it in the ground because no 351 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: one was open. Now the difference is you got Zeke 352 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: on the field, right yeah, and when you you know, 353 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: play fake the handoff to him, they got to account 354 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: for him. They can't just assume that you're not given 355 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: it to Alfred Morris and that you're going to roll out. 356 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: So I just think there's different ways to do that stuff. 357 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: If you think your tight end is not up to 358 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: part fair enough. You spoke of Man of the Match. 359 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: We've got that series going on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 360 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: Camp Stars, we call it match Match. We come back, 361 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: let's talk about some men of the match, men of 362 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: training camp, guys that have stepped up. Surprise you a 363 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: little bit and continue what you just said about certain guys, 364 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: maybe guys that you still need to see more from. Sure, 365 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: as we get through the end of Oxnard portion of 366 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: camp and move on back to Dallas next week. That's 367 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: next on Talking Cowboys. It can be hard to find 368 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: the right resource for learning about important financial matters. 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Slash football terms, conditions, exclusions 406 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: and warranty limitations apply so you can you love for details. 407 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: Batter to talk in Cowboys, Welcome back to Oxnard, California. 408 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: One segment down to to go for our Oxendard portion 409 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: of Cowboys training camp practice this afternoon for the Cowboys. 410 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: They practice twice more out here. You guys. Uh, everybody 411 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: refreshed after a day off yesterday. Feel good? Yeah, yeah, 412 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: feel good. You know, worked a half a day almost, 413 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: and then you know, when you start doing stuff at 414 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: seven twenty in the morning, it's kind of working. You're 415 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: not the only one to go where. You reminded us 416 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: like three times yesterday, I worked today, I worked today. 417 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: Williams got his computer out at all times. He's working 418 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: harder than you are, Webmaster William Boykins. He sort of 419 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: forgot something though, Oh he did. Yeah, oh boy, okay, 420 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: we gotta mention that on shots that was Why did 421 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: I even bring that up? All right? Everybody? You you 422 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: you you, that's self inflicted right now. I'm trying to 423 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: kind of lighten it up. I mean, I feel like 424 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: everybody's still dragging a little not at off. I went 425 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: to sleep before at ten o'clock. Well that's good. I 426 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: was paying for the night before. M hmm. When we 427 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: had our team dinner. Yeah, okay, yeah, that was fun. 428 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: It was good. It was great. All right, everybody's going 429 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: to talk football, please, Yeah, let's keep going. Let's keep going. 430 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: Looking back and forward at what they've done here in Oxnard. 431 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: Two practices left. Let's talk about some guys that maybe 432 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: have surprised out here, guys or guys that you you 433 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: expect things from, have looked have kind of done what 434 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: you expect, or guys who have stepped up and and 435 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: and been pleasant surprises. I'll start off this. I'mt's steal 436 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: one from Mickey. This Antoine Woods defensive tackle. He has 437 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: had time in the league, He's been with Tennessee. He's 438 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: not a rookie free agent coming in here and trying 439 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: to make the team. But all of a sudden, I mean, 440 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: you've got Malie Collins trying to work his way back 441 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: into practice, coming off pup a couple days ago, and 442 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: he's gonna fill in one of those starting spots if 443 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: he's healthy. Right, But I think they found a guy 444 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: that at least can be part of the rotation at 445 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: defensive tackle. No, what's interesting about him is he doesn't 446 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: he doesn't have the measurables. You know, you look at 447 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: him and he's not built like David Irving, right, No, 448 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: but he finds a way to push the pocket that 449 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: trash can right there holding down the tent. Yeah, about 450 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: the same height, the same height, same same s yeah, 451 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: the same squareness. But he plays, he gets penetration, So 452 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: you're right, Yeah, he's coming out of OTAs. I kind 453 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: of thought that we would see with with Dayton Jones 454 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: and then with uh jahad Ward would be the guys 455 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: that would step up and go that direction. But it's 456 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: been Woods that has I still worried about the defensive 457 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: tackle spot in this portion again, that might be another 458 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: area that they go trying to address with a claim 459 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: or something like that or sign. But the defensive tackle 460 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: interior offensive line maybe just maybe tied into if maybe 461 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: if if they don't, if they just go three, we'll see. 462 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: But I like what with Woods and what he's done. 463 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: I've been waiting for Woods to fall off the cliff, 464 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: and he hasn't fallen off the cliff. Right. He's he's 465 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: They threw him in there, they had an idea of 466 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: how they wanted to play him. He showed up well 467 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,239 Speaker 1: in the early practices here. He was physical, he got 468 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: in fights, he showed he wanted to play. Um. You 469 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: know we talked about Mickey was standing by with the 470 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: general manager there and you know he said, hey, keep going, 471 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 1: you know that kind of thing. Those are all things 472 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: that you kind of, you know, you appreciate about the kid. 473 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: And I've seriously I've been ready for him to take 474 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: the left turn and he hasn't taken the left turn yet. 475 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: He's kept the thing right on the road, and you know, hopefully, 476 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: hopefully he can continue to be a part. They need 477 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: him to be that bridge until David Irving gets back 478 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: and until they figure out and it's we've gotten some 479 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: good word about with MALIEK. Collins. You know, hopefully by 480 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: the time we get back to the Star, MALIEK. Collins 481 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: will start practicing because they need to figure that out 482 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: inside and to your point, Woods has been a very 483 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: very pleasant surprise. Okay, So to help with maybe avoid 484 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: at that defensive tackle spot, I think we've seen the 485 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: last day or two that if Randy Gregory is for real, 486 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: then Tyrone Crawford's been moving in that to go three 487 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: three tackle spot and on the nickel. Yeah, and that 488 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: simplifies it for Randy. Now again we've seen him for 489 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: about three or four practices. We need to see more, 490 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: as Brian keeps saying, the Oxnard portion of practice. But 491 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: if he continues moving that way to me. He's absolutely 492 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: the biggest surprise of training camp that he could come 493 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: back after only playing two games over the last thirty 494 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: two games in two seasons. And we also say two seasons, 495 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: but you got to count the six or seven months 496 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: that he didn't practice after twenty seventeen was over, so 497 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: it's really two and a half years since he's played football. 498 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: And you know, it's it's it's encouraging, let's put it 499 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: that way. I don't yeah, I don't think you can 500 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: put you know, all your marbles on that, but for now, yeah, maybe. 501 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: And then on the other side, what they were doing 502 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: when they got to nickel Cony Ealy was moving inside. 503 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: Now I don't know how well it worked, but they 504 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: gave it a shot. And and I thought the other 505 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: thing that happened with Randy Gregory, he played a game 506 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: with Tyrone Crawford, and Crawford came over and kind of 507 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 1: got his guy and he circled around and he instinctively 508 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: did it. So to me, that's the biggest surprise. And 509 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: if I was going to pick somebody else, it's probably 510 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: Tavon Austin because I didn't know what they were getting 511 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: from him, didn't know he could be an outside guy. 512 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: I didn't. I just didn't know much about him and 513 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: being out here with him, you know, he's on this 514 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: team and an EFFI right work on the outside. He's 515 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: working on his routes. He's not taking anything for granted. 516 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: He's not saying, Okay, I'm an experienced wide receiver. I 517 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: don't have to really go through all this. He's going 518 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: through it harder and helping everybody else out. So keep 519 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: an eye on him. I'll tell you what. Give the 520 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: pro department a pat on the back for not only 521 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: making that trade, having an idea the coach is having 522 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: a plan for Tavon Austin. But give the pro department 523 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: in my a pat on the back. And that a 524 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: boy for Joe Thomas. Joe Thomas is another guy where 525 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: you know, people are asking me, how do you replace? 526 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: And it was one of our male bad questions this 527 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 1: morning as well, was how do you replace Anti Hitchens? 528 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: You know, And I think that they've found a way 529 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: that with Joe Thomas. You have a guy that is 530 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: a veteran player, but he's a young veteran player. They 531 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: understand what type of ability has I think he's come 532 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: out here, he's practiced hard. He's played hard in the games. 533 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: If something does happen to Sean Lee, I don't think 534 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: the drop off is like totally off the cliff again. 535 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: I think it's it's like, Okay, you got a guy 536 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: in there that's stable. He's capable of finishing plays. He's 537 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: a physical guy, he can run, you know. Those are 538 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: all very positive things. I always thought it was a 539 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: struggle for Anti Hitchens to go from the mic linebacker 540 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: to play in the will, you know, because it was 541 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: just a different techniques and things were different for him. 542 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: But it looks like Joe Thomas to me can play 543 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: the mic and is very comfortable playing the will linebacker 544 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: in the scheme. He was in the refour scheme with 545 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: the Packers, you know, having to play in the as 546 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: an inside linebacker. But he has a great feel for 547 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: where he needs to be, not only in coverage, run fits, 548 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: finished the tackle. All this thing, he's been a guy 549 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: that I think the Pro Department, if it continues on 550 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: the trajectory continues up, the Pro Department needs to the 551 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: general Magin's boy them all those guys a steak dinner, 552 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: because they did him some good things there when the 553 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: other guy we didn't mention, and I think it's necessary 554 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: in that group. Layton Vander, if you've been watching out 555 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: here when they've gone to nickel and Sean wasn't out there, 556 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: they've been using him in the nickel with Jalen Smith 557 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: by the middle, and he was the weak side guy. 558 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, his improvement is coming in increments. 559 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: It's not like lightning right right. I see every day 560 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: he gets better, he recognizes things better. And the good thing, 561 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: the dude can run. Yes, he can run. He can 562 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: cover for a two hundred and fifty. And if you're 563 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: using them, yeah, and if you're using them on the nickel, 564 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: chances are well they ain't running all that much when 565 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: the nickels there, so he doesn't have to, you know, 566 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: lock up against the run. Speaking a linebacker, because I 567 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: know Brian said this, this might be the second deepest 568 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: position on the roster right now, what you've seen. I 569 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: think we all said it. Yeah, I think everybody agrees 570 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: on that, Yeah, pretty much. And Jalen Smith, I mean, 571 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's a surprise. And I give you 572 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: gotta give credit to both Jalen the Cowboys in their 573 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: their medical athletic training staff, Britt Brown, all those guys, 574 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,479 Speaker 1: they've been adamant that the year, this was the year, 575 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: and we are seeing it out here, but we saw 576 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: it in the game the other night too. Not just 577 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: the fact that he can go run in a cover 578 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: two setting forty yards, cover a tight end down the field, 579 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: it's little things like even in the red zone, his 580 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: change of direction quickly to be able to go and 581 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: close on somebody and make a play. He looks like 582 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: a different player. He looks great. Doctor Cooper, who did 583 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: the surgery, from the beginning, maintained this was the year. Yeah, 584 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: this absolutely the year that he shows you. And if 585 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: he doesn't show you, then that's probably all you're gonna get. 586 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: But if he shows you, this would be the year 587 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: that physically he's he's taken care of. Because remember you 588 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,239 Speaker 1: know we talk about the drop foot towards ACL. Yeah, right, 589 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: tore everything, tore everything, and he comes to training camp 590 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: after having that surgery and they kind of held him off, 591 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: held him off, and you know, the year wasn't up 592 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: until January first, after twenty sixteen, so he was playing, 593 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: you know, last year, trying to get back from that ACL. 594 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: And now the ACL looks good and he's moving well. 595 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: And I think that is a huge surprise to a 596 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: lot of people that criticize the Cowboys for taking that chance. Well, 597 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: there were a lot of unknowns Brian, right. I mean, 598 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: it's you're talking about it, You're talking about a career 599 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: threatening injury. Anytime there's nerve damage involved, it's there's no timetable. 600 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: It's like when's this thing? Is it going to fire again? 601 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: Will there be enough for generation? And apparently that's not 602 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: even a factor anymore. I still maintain that if doctor 603 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: Cooper would have done wouldn't have not done the surgery. 604 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: I don't believe they would have taken him. Yeah, but 605 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: the fact that he did was it was good enough 606 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: for Jerry Jones and Steven Jones and Will McClay and 607 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: and you know, credit to them, they had him high 608 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,959 Speaker 1: enough on their board. Uh. They they they had an 609 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: idea what they wanted to do with him once they 610 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: got him. They knew the timetable. Mickey's right, Doctor Cooper 611 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: and Britt and Jim Allen, those guys said twenty eighteen, 612 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: twenty and eighteen, they kept saying that, And and Jalen 613 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: Smith is is proving me wrong about his Where I 614 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: miss evaluated him was his willingness to fight to come back. 615 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: You know, I thought the injury was going to be 616 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: too devastating to come back and be a fully But 617 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: even last year, even late in the year, he showed 618 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: signs that things were starting to get better. We did 619 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: the thing with the you know, with we break down 620 00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: the players, you know, with the on tape, and he 621 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: and I were working together, and you know that Melvin 622 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: Gordon run and Melvin Gordon can run to the sideline, 623 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon can get around the corner from from the Chargers, 624 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: and Jalen from the middle of the field chased and 625 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: fetched him finished the run behind the line of scrimmage. 626 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: That right there should have been enough for me to say, Okay, 627 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: I was badly, badly wrong about the football player. And 628 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: he's he's he's I don't know a player out here. 629 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: And it happened to the last year with Byron Jones. 630 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: Remember how many times Byron Jones got his hands on 631 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: the ball, denied the ball. It seems like every day 632 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: Jalen Smith is in coverage and he gets his hands 633 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: on a ball, and you don't get your hands on 634 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: ball by accident. It's positioning, it's it's speed, it's it's 635 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: understanding of where you need to fit. And he's been 636 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: able to do all those things. He's been one of 637 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: the top players at this camp. If you had to vote, 638 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: I think he would be in the top three of 639 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: guys that are have gone through this Oxnar positioning of camp. 640 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: You know. And and the thing that I think people 641 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: didn't know about doctor Cooper, it wasn't just that he 642 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: did this surgery. He's become known a renowned ACL repair 643 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,959 Speaker 1: surgeon in the country. I mean, Teddy Bridgewater came to him, Uh, 644 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: Kyle Schwerber came to him, right. The guy was not 645 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: going to play baseball for you know, looked like the 646 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: rest of the year, and by the playoffs he's out 647 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: there hitting a home run in doubles and yeah, yeah, 648 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: And it was like, were you surprised? And you know, 649 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: he never pats himself on the back, but it was like, well, 650 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: you know, if all he had to do not go 651 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: out and play right field or first base, just just hit, 652 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: you know, and if you hit a home run, you 653 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: don't have to run. And so he's done a lot 654 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,479 Speaker 1: of these guys that have come to him that nobody 655 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: knows that they come to Dallas to get their acl 656 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: Doctor Andrews in Birmingham and doctor Cooper and Dallas wow 657 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,959 Speaker 1: to worldwide. Yeah, it's worked out. It's looking good. From 658 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: number fifty four. One more guy you mentioned Byron Jones. Yeah, 659 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of a surprise, maybe 660 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: surprised the mickey that he's played as well on the 661 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: outside as he has in camp. I mean, it's looked 662 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: like a seamless transition for him for the most part 663 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: out you know, go go and get a Star magazine 664 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: training camp preview and we all contributed. Brian did all 665 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: those player analysis and there were other stories. But if 666 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: you read mine, it started off with about twelve questions 667 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,359 Speaker 1: that needed to be answered out here. It was that many. 668 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: Now I don't know that we got an answer for 669 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 1: ever every one of them. Randy Gregory was one of them, absolutely, 670 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: Jalen Smith was one of them. Big Byron Jones was 671 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: one of them. Who's gonna come in and take you know, 672 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: David Irving spot, who's gonna play the right defensive end? 673 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: I can go on, who's the backup quarterback? We didn't 674 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: really know, um you know, is Jama's old Wally, you know, 675 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: because is he a good replacement for Keith Smith. There 676 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: was just all these questions that they had to answer 677 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: out here. Now I'm not saying they aced every question. 678 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 1: It's still to be the term on something, but they're 679 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: doing a pretty good job of knocking them off one 680 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: at a time. Yeah. Yeah, the Byron Jones one, that one, 681 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: I believe. Give the player credit for his willingness to 682 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: work in the transition. Give Chris Richard credit for immediately 683 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: when they made the switch. I remembered us vividly of 684 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: going down towards the locker room and Chris Rochard was 685 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: standing there with Byron Jones and they were working on technique, 686 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: just those two standing there, you know, talking about what 687 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: they needed to do and how you needed to move 688 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,240 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And I think Chris Roshard convinced 689 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: Byron Jones that you can do this, you can be 690 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: a corner in the National Football League if I will 691 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,439 Speaker 1: work with you, I'll make sure that. And just through 692 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: the portion of this practice is we've seen a guy 693 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: talk about getting hands on the ball, offhand, drive, be physical, 694 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: willing tackler. All these things are showing up for Byron Jones. 695 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: Now we've seen this Byron Jones, have a great training 696 00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: camp before and just play. Okay, maybe this moved tower 697 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: will now elevate him to where his game is now, 698 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: you know, instead of just being level, is now going 699 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: the right direction, you know. And since you brought that up, 700 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 1: the other question was what happens when you change seven 701 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: position coaches in one year. It's a good one too, 702 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: and so far I don't I don't know that we've 703 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: seen any trouble. I think Chris Richard was the key 704 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: one because not only does he take care of his guys, 705 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: but he's the past game coordinator on the Nichols, so 706 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,760 Speaker 1: now he's watching the linebackers and probably has a say 707 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: good there. And Ben Bloom never had a position before. 708 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: Keith O'Quinn was only an assistant special team Now we 709 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: will see. We've only seen one game, but there was 710 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 1: a lot of newbies, right. Doug Nussmeyer, I don't think 711 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: he had coached, had he coached in the NFL. It 712 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: was all college right, So well, I think that he was. 713 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,879 Speaker 1: I think he was a quality control coach for one 714 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: for Scotland Hans someplace. Okay, one of Scotland hands and 715 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: then he got into where he was at Michigan and 716 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: Florida as an OC. And it doesn't hurt to have 717 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: your tight end coach having been a former college offensive coordinator, right, 718 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: you know, you kind of got another voice in the room. 719 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that you know so far and 720 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: Paul Alexander, you know, I don't think we've seen a 721 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: drop off. And that's nothing against the other coaches that left, 722 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: but I think christ Sire is probably the key factor 723 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,280 Speaker 1: in that whole. You know, chain talk about the offensive 724 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: line a little bit. You give Alexander, give Mark Colombo 725 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: some credit. They've got Kadeem Edwards actually playing pretty well. 726 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: He's taken up, he's absorbed some of Marcus Martin snaps 727 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: with second and you know it's it's not always going 728 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: to be the prettiest thing. But yeah, that's a lot 729 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: of work going on there, a lot of work. Describe 730 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: a phone call before we go to break all in Philly. 731 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: You're up first on talking Cowboys today. What's up? Morning, 732 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: God morning. I'm really excited about the wide receiver position. 733 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: Um can't wait till we prove that we don't need 734 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: a number one to be successful. I'm really happy about 735 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: the draft pick of late Vanderesh. I think, after all 736 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: of a sudden, done be one of our best linebackers 737 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: that ever lived in Cowboy history. Does cam Kelly have 738 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: a shot of making his team where maybe to practice 739 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: squad will um will will there be? Do I have 740 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: a possibility of seeing um seeing Rod Smith get carries 741 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 1: from the full back position. Maybe play Zeke and Smith 742 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,879 Speaker 1: in the same backfield and Rob Finally, Um, great job 743 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: on the Parcels thing. Just want to let you know. 744 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: On the morning of a preseason game in two thousand 745 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: and three in Pittsburgh, Coach Hoffman came up to me 746 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,800 Speaker 1: who was really mad, and he was really mad that 747 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: Parcels want to use Woody Danzler as a place as 748 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: the holder for them for field goals. And I just 749 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 1: thought that was so you'd like to know that. Take care. Thanks, 750 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Thanks for watching well. They were trying 751 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 1: to find a job for Woody dans Bill. Bill loved 752 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 1: Woody dan did he absolutely When we watched tape on 753 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: Woody Danzler, Bill was mesmerized by him. He thought, of 754 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: Dave Meggett, that's right, that's right, and Meggatt was at 755 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 1: that first training camp. I think that was one of 756 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,320 Speaker 1: these stories that made me do Mick, which is a 757 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: good one. It was about a kind of similarities between 758 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: the two or what Bill was trying to get out 759 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: of it. Bill loved Dave Meggett and he loved Woody 760 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: Danzler too, And Woody Danzler was a if you remember, 761 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: mcclemson was a dynamic player. I mean he was when 762 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: you put the ball in his hands almost he was 763 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: a he was a bigger version of Tavon Austin, a 764 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 1: stronger runner, right and and so, but he was. He 765 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,399 Speaker 1: was dynamite in this m vander esh best all time. 766 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: I think that I think that you need to this. 767 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 1: This organization has a great history of linebacker play. And 768 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: if if he could find a way this first year, 769 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: you know, he Mickey said this, he looks more comfortable playing, 770 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: you know, and and before I don't think he looked 771 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 1: totally comfortable play in the position. And uh, you know, 772 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 1: the more they throw him out there, the more confidence 773 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: he's gonna build. Uh. He made some stops in the 774 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 1: red zone and some coverage situations. So I think that 775 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: that's u at least let's go that way. First, you 776 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: kind of gave him the again, Well this I I 777 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: you know, my my history with the team is I 778 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: family with season ticket holders for twenty years, so I 779 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 1: saw from seventy two to ninety two, and then when 780 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: I got to the Packers, we played against great linebackers 781 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: as well. So I you know, if Layton van Rush 782 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 1: could come in and do what he needs to do, 783 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: he's a good enough athlete. He can finish when he 784 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: gets in position. There's some things he's gonna have to learn, 785 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,800 Speaker 1: and that I think a lot of it has to 786 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: do with experience, because the more experience they give him, 787 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,880 Speaker 1: the more he's seeing things, the better he's gonna be. 788 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 1: He could have played better. He would have played better 789 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 1: than anybody on that ninety two team at linebacker Robert 790 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 1: Jones first round pick Smith, Robert Jones, Darren Smith was 791 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:51,959 Speaker 1: pretty good player. No, not not Darren Smith, um al 792 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: Al Smith. It was the kid Smith's politician from there. 793 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,800 Speaker 1: And then the strong side linebacker was was just a 794 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 1: was just a guy. I mean, Dixon Edwards can never 795 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: break into the starting lineup. So but but there are yeah, 796 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: there is, and you know as soon as well, how 797 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: about the guy that's right now, number fifty, he's pretty good. Yeah, 798 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: he's one of the all times. Maybe that should be 799 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: the standard. Yeah, I mean, if you can make an 800 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 1: all pro like Sean Lee, if Jalen or Leyton can 801 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,320 Speaker 1: eventually get to that point, let's start there. Yeah. I 802 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: think they have a plan for this kid, I really 803 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: really do. And about the wide receivers was another one 804 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: at his points. I don't know if we're there. I'm 805 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,800 Speaker 1: one of the guys that believes you have to have 806 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: it one. I think there's somebody that you that defenses 807 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,800 Speaker 1: has to fear. The coordineers have to fear, you know. 808 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 1: But you know, if you could, if you could spread 809 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 1: it around and make this work, you know, more power 810 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: to him. But I think that you have to have 811 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 1: I believe you have to have somebody that that you 812 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: can go to, you can go to, you can go to, 813 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: and then you know, everyone else is a complimentary piece 814 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,839 Speaker 1: to that. You know, if you can get a guy 815 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 1: to elevate, you get a guy so a two one 816 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,719 Speaker 1: or a guy that's a three two. You know, guy, 817 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,879 Speaker 1: I'm saying that that's okay. I don't think you could 818 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: have just a team of guys. I think he needs 819 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 1: somebody you can hang your hat on a little bit with. 820 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,319 Speaker 1: With Ezekiel Elliott on the field, it'll make it more 821 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: hopefully pliable. Hopefully well, but that's true, but you still 822 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: need somebody to consist and maybe multiple guys to do 823 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,240 Speaker 1: what Michael Gallop did on that one drive like San Francisco, Like, Okay, 824 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: they're going to give a single cover that that's that's 825 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,920 Speaker 1: over the top. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And that's 826 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: and then and that's exactly right. That's that's what we 827 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: got to find out. That's what you If Michael Gallop 828 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,360 Speaker 1: can come in here and develop as a one, you know, 829 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: two one, if he could be that guy, then that 830 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: that's great for this organization. They need somebody, you know. 831 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 1: And the thing with Gallop what I've noticed him, he 832 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: is not afraid to take that thing inside. When you 833 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,319 Speaker 1: get him down in the red zone and they run 834 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 1: bunch formation and they drive him to the inside, he 835 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 1: is not afraid to go when they're and get the football. 836 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: And that's a good pass for Dak when he can 837 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 1: hit receivers right over the top of the ball and 838 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 1: then let those guys go all right, let's take our 839 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: final break on talking Cowboys. 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Okay, fair enough, all right, let's 899 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 1: keep rolling. Walked right into that. Yeah I should know 900 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,200 Speaker 1: by now, right, you should, but you really don't. You 901 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,759 Speaker 1: just you just drive right into the fire. You know, 902 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 1: what do you do? I don't know. I don't know. 903 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:29,279 Speaker 1: All right, it's a mistake. I'm stupid, all right. Uh, 904 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,800 Speaker 1: looking at what they've done here in practice, for about 905 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: two and a half weeks or so, we've talked about 906 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 1: guys that have really stood out, either guys that you 907 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,560 Speaker 1: expected things from or that surprised you a little bit. 908 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,239 Speaker 1: Give me a guy or two that we need to 909 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,880 Speaker 1: see more from. And you mentioned Mike. There's still time here, 910 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,840 Speaker 1: there's still some practices left here and back home, and 911 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,759 Speaker 1: then we've got three preseason games left. Who needs to 912 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,120 Speaker 1: stand out here? As we keep going, I think I'm 913 00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:01,759 Speaker 1: circling the defensive ends not named Gregory Crawford or DeMarcus Lawrence. Yeah, 914 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,160 Speaker 1: Tapper needs a show some more. Yeah. I think Cony 915 00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,319 Speaker 1: Ealy needs to show that was gonna be my guy 916 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 1: because he's a guy they signed. And remember this is 917 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 1: guy he's played in the Super Bowl, has played well. 918 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: You sign him and think, Okay, if he gets his 919 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: weight down, he gets recovered from that shoulder surgery, he 920 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 1: can help this line. He still can. But I think 921 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,759 Speaker 1: Dawnce Armstrong has been a guy that's risen. There's one 922 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,759 Speaker 1: more up, Taco. Well, he's having a better camp than 923 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,759 Speaker 1: he did last year, right, who's having a better camp? 924 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 1: Armstronger Taco Armstrong. I think Armstrong has been maybe the 925 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:39,920 Speaker 1: most consistent player at defensive end, not sides, not name tank. Yeah, 926 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 1: and you know Tyrone's always steady. Sure, but this guy's 927 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,920 Speaker 1: really surprised people. I think as a pass rusher. As 928 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,040 Speaker 1: a past I don't know how well he'll play the run, 929 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,080 Speaker 1: but as a pass rusher, he's got that ability to 930 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,280 Speaker 1: turn bannd and not lose a step. If you watched 931 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,960 Speaker 1: last when we had training camp live, go back and 932 00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,520 Speaker 1: watch that. You know that was really good. That was 933 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 1: one on one stuff that was going on. You'll see 934 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 1: some bend from that number seventy four. I mean, he 935 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,000 Speaker 1: knows how to get around the corner. I like his 936 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 1: names though, I really do, and I is it is 937 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,359 Speaker 1: it bad for me to ask? I need to see 938 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 1: more from Xavier Woods? No, not really, and Xavier Woods 939 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:24,320 Speaker 1: does not make mistakes, but does he make plays? You know. 940 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,800 Speaker 1: I mean that's where I'm trying to figure out, because 941 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,359 Speaker 1: I'm I'm the guy that they like, you know, push 942 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,960 Speaker 1: all the chips in and go get you know, Mickey's 943 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,279 Speaker 1: trying to be responsible and not let me burn the 944 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,799 Speaker 1: building down. You know. I'm trying to push this thing 945 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,719 Speaker 1: and he's saying, wait a minute. But I'm still need 946 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,719 Speaker 1: to see more from Xavier Woods. I'd like to see 947 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 1: him in one of these preseason games when he gets 948 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,520 Speaker 1: the opportunity knock a ball down range, play intercept one. 949 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,560 Speaker 1: You know, I'd like to see I saw it like 950 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,359 Speaker 1: guys like Joe Thomas and those guys making plays. I'd 951 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: like to just see some more from him to to 952 00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,360 Speaker 1: to keep my thoughts that okay, they don't have to 953 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 1: do something at safety. We talked, Yeah, you're right, we 954 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,960 Speaker 1: talked about it. That's what I'm trying to kind of 955 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,960 Speaker 1: figure out right now. I I loved Xavier Woods, and 956 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,759 Speaker 1: there's people out there like no I brought us, you were, 957 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,680 Speaker 1: you were on him, Now you hate him. I don't 958 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,640 Speaker 1: hate Xavier Woods. I just like to see him make 959 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,719 Speaker 1: more plays. You know, Jeff Heath is a guy that 960 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,759 Speaker 1: you see Jeff Heath make plays out here. You know, 961 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,360 Speaker 1: I feel good about him, but I'm just not sure 962 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,720 Speaker 1: right now with Xavier Woods saying okay, you're the starter, 963 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,680 Speaker 1: now go do it. Because there's not bus back there, 964 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,839 Speaker 1: that's the thing. But you want to see a little 965 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,080 Speaker 1: bit more. I'd like to see, you know. And maybe 966 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,400 Speaker 1: it's because Byron Jones is making plays. Maybe it's because 967 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,520 Speaker 1: Cheeto Ewoosier's making plays. Maybe I'm seeing guy Jeff Heath 968 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,399 Speaker 1: make a play. Maybe I'm seeing Joe Thomas make a play. 969 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,040 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm seeing Jalen Smith make a play. Maybe I'm 970 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,759 Speaker 1: seeing Laton vander Esh make a play. I just want 971 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,400 Speaker 1: to know of my eleven that are gonna play. I 972 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,480 Speaker 1: want to see his ability. Now we could all say this, 973 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 1: he's not screwing up. He's not giving up big plays. 974 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:06,840 Speaker 1: I mean the other night in the game, you know 975 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,080 Speaker 1: what happened to San Francisco game with him huff busts 976 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,560 Speaker 1: of coverage. All of a sudden, Pettis is behind. Now 977 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 1: the balls down the field. Okay, if you saw that 978 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:19,200 Speaker 1: with Xavier Woods, you would say, oh, okay, okay, But 979 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,359 Speaker 1: I you know, he hasn't cost him anything. See that's 980 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,440 Speaker 1: and I think that's good. I think that's good. But 981 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:31,239 Speaker 1: I've I've seen eleven, ten, eight nine, whatever you want 982 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,520 Speaker 1: to say, defensive players at various times. But who are 983 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,040 Speaker 1: you mentioning? Are they second year players I mentioned, I 984 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,200 Speaker 1: mentioned the first year player? I mentioned, uh, I mentioned 985 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,200 Speaker 1: the linebacker vander Esh he's making a play. Yeah, it's closer. 986 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,400 Speaker 1: It's easier to make plays closer to the line of 987 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,799 Speaker 1: scrimmage than what you're deep playing free syfety. Well, I'm 988 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,480 Speaker 1: just you know, come up, you know, I want to 989 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,560 Speaker 1: see him make plays. But I don't think he's hurt 990 00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,399 Speaker 1: him No, And I said that he hasn't. We haven't 991 00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,960 Speaker 1: seen major bus in the game or at practice really 992 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,279 Speaker 1: out here. He's he's he's carried out his assignments. Um, 993 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:10,439 Speaker 1: we haven't seen uh series changing plays from him out here, though, 994 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you see Byron Jones, and again, maybe it's 995 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,040 Speaker 1: different in that Byron Jones is playing a man who's 996 00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,400 Speaker 1: trying to go get the ball. It's one on one coverage, 997 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,560 Speaker 1: and that's a little different. Maybe safeties because the way 998 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,319 Speaker 1: they play in practice, can't make plays, but you put 999 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:27,320 Speaker 1: him deep and yeah, the line sometimes maybe my my understandings. 1000 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,239 Speaker 1: I would like to see the Cincinnati, the uh, the 1001 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,960 Speaker 1: the Arizona, and I don't know if he's gonna please 1002 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,759 Speaker 1: probably not gonna play against the Texas. So the next 1003 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,759 Speaker 1: couple of weeks i'd like to see when when we're 1004 00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,520 Speaker 1: talking about man of the match, I want to see 1005 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,880 Speaker 1: one of us ride about Xavier Woods as man of 1006 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,520 Speaker 1: the match. You know, that's what I would like to see. 1007 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,880 Speaker 1: Do it today, Just do it, just spite us. I 1008 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,839 Speaker 1: thought he did a good job driving on that play 1009 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,600 Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, watch him get beat several times. We'll 1010 00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 1: see your man of the match. Yeah. Yeah, you don't 1011 00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,279 Speaker 1: want to jump the gun there for sure. People on 1012 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,400 Speaker 1: Twitter remind Mickey if something happens today anybody else. I mean, 1013 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,759 Speaker 1: I think we talked. You mentioned Dalton sterm a rookie. 1014 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,319 Speaker 1: So yeah, Mike White, I was gonna throw him out. 1015 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I think Cooper Rush at this point is 1016 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,440 Speaker 1: that point job. He's your number two quarterback, and it's 1017 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,120 Speaker 1: based on what we've seen out here as well as 1018 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:17,399 Speaker 1: the way he played in the first time. I thought 1019 00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,239 Speaker 1: maybe Mike White in the Houston game will be it'll 1020 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,400 Speaker 1: be a different story, you know, when he gets an 1021 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,000 Speaker 1: opportunity to probably play the full game or But I 1022 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,719 Speaker 1: had really high expectations of Mike White, and I know 1023 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,319 Speaker 1: he's a rookie quarterback, but I there's there's things I've 1024 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,960 Speaker 1: seen about him that I did not see on Western 1025 00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,960 Speaker 1: Kentucky tape. He was one of the best when it 1026 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,000 Speaker 1: came to getting rid of the football, when it came 1027 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,960 Speaker 1: to fifth step or shotgun, take it, get it. You know, 1028 00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:46,920 Speaker 1: he was one of those guys. And I love that 1029 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,759 Speaker 1: about him. I'm not seeing that here. I'm seeing I'm 1030 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,240 Speaker 1: seeing a little bit about like a he double clutched 1031 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,359 Speaker 1: one the other day that he had no business double 1032 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,239 Speaker 1: clutching in the in the red zone. So he's like, 1033 00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,160 Speaker 1: he's throwing and instead of throwing it, he pulls it back, 1034 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:01,640 Speaker 1: he pulls it dawn, he pulls it back again, And 1035 00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, you cannot do that in the red zone. 1036 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,440 Speaker 1: You can't do that. Is it moving that much faster 1037 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,440 Speaker 1: for him? You think, well, sure it is. Yeah. But 1038 00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,160 Speaker 1: the other thing is he's a smart guy. Third string 1039 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,279 Speaker 1: offensive line, yeah, but they're playing third string defense. McHale's 1040 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,680 Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, But so McKay's not bad. Well, okay, 1041 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,160 Speaker 1: but it's not like he's playing with the starters. Well, 1042 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,000 Speaker 1: well he's not gonna get that. No, I know, and 1043 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,759 Speaker 1: I know Dack he's got to step up, and and 1044 00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,200 Speaker 1: I just I just want, I just want him when 1045 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,879 Speaker 1: he gets an opportunity to do the two minute drill 1046 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,760 Speaker 1: that it's it's it's bang bang bang, decisions, the balls moving, 1047 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,960 Speaker 1: and he finishes Western Kentucky, Eastern Kentucky, Western Western. So 1048 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,680 Speaker 1: he's playing with the first guys at Western Kentucky, not 1049 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,280 Speaker 1: the scrubs. But he was he was a quality quarterback 1050 00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,359 Speaker 1: in college. That's but who's he playing with? That's all 1051 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,120 Speaker 1: I'm saying. It takes a while, right, No, it does, 1052 00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,080 Speaker 1: it does. I was. I learned my lesson when Romo 1053 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,960 Speaker 1: came out here, Right, the guy was garbage. Get rid 1054 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,600 Speaker 1: of him. He can't throw the ball straight in The 1055 00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,760 Speaker 1: personnel departments say the same thing. So I think sometimes 1056 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,560 Speaker 1: you just got to be patient with some I'm being patient. 1057 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,960 Speaker 1: The problem is, though I've seen him perform at a 1058 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,520 Speaker 1: high level, Well, Dan, let him, let him have some time. 1059 00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,279 Speaker 1: That's I'm gonna I'm no, I'm willing to give him 1060 00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,279 Speaker 1: time because you drafted him. To give him time. I 1061 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,319 Speaker 1: feel like I just I was hopeful that it would 1062 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,120 Speaker 1: be a better He's pushing Cooper Rush. He's pushing Cooper Rush. 1063 00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,359 Speaker 1: He's pushing him. He's making you think about putting him 1064 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,040 Speaker 1: in the equation instead of now we're thinking about not 1065 00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,400 Speaker 1: carrying three quarterbacks. Yeah, well, because we're talking about how 1066 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,520 Speaker 1: many wide receivers are gonna carry how many tight ends 1067 00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,759 Speaker 1: and that Ye does the math work? If you if 1068 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,920 Speaker 1: you were not thinking about carrying, if you're if you're 1069 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,080 Speaker 1: when you went into you're thinking, oh, they're gonna carry 1070 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,320 Speaker 1: three quarterbacks. Now you're like, they might not carry three quarterbacks. 1071 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,839 Speaker 1: I don't know what my opinion was. Let's see. Yeah, 1072 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,040 Speaker 1: I wasn't immediately put him on the fifty three man roster. 1073 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,440 Speaker 1: He was one of the questions. Now with Romo though 1074 00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,080 Speaker 1: when he first got here, was it more of a 1075 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,000 Speaker 1: Brett Farve type thing like don't throw it there? Mike 1076 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,759 Speaker 1: is trying It's almost like he's trying not to make 1077 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,040 Speaker 1: a mistake. He's trying not to make a mistake, and 1078 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:11,680 Speaker 1: he and Chucky he cut it loose. Quin Quincy doesn't 1079 00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,080 Speaker 1: get cut in two thousand and four, Romo's out of here. 1080 00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,640 Speaker 1: If Quincy didn't feel a drug test. He's not answered 1081 00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,200 Speaker 1: my question though. Well that was my point. But it's 1082 00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:23,200 Speaker 1: too different issues for a young quarterback, right, a guy 1083 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,560 Speaker 1: that was too aggressive maybe versus a guy who's maybe 1084 00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,120 Speaker 1: a little too concerned. I don't know that he was 1085 00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,799 Speaker 1: too aggressive. He just wasn't very accurate throwing the ball, 1086 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,319 Speaker 1: and then he developed fair throwing the ball better as 1087 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,120 Speaker 1: he went along. He was always smart. He just like 1088 00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,440 Speaker 1: I said, you saw absolute brilliance and stupidity all in 1089 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,239 Speaker 1: the same place with him. So, I mean, think about 1090 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,360 Speaker 1: how long it took for him to actually get in 1091 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,440 Speaker 1: a game. He yeah, two thousand and three, two thousand 1092 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,279 Speaker 1: and four, he got in at the end of a 1093 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,320 Speaker 1: couple in two thousand and five. Bill didn't want to 1094 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,759 Speaker 1: ruin him. Bill kept well, he'd said it not ready, 1095 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,279 Speaker 1: he's not ready, He's not ready, and he was ready. 1096 00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,920 Speaker 1: Maybe he was done. But also Bill didn't want to 1097 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,960 Speaker 1: give up on Drew Blitz. That was gonna be true, 1098 00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:02,719 Speaker 1: that was gonna be one. Oh, I don't know. He 1099 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,399 Speaker 1: did it in the middle of the season in two 1100 00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,759 Speaker 1: thousand and six, thanked him out at halftime. But but 1101 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,080 Speaker 1: at that point in time, he was not willing to 1102 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,040 Speaker 1: give up on Drew Bless Well, it was only two 1103 00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,759 Speaker 1: years yeah, oh five when blods got there. I do 1104 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,560 Speaker 1: think you're right though in that. Let's give it a 1105 00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,279 Speaker 1: little time to these quarterbacks. Heads are swimming when they're 1106 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,680 Speaker 1: out here, and it's and a lot of it is 1107 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,240 Speaker 1: still installation, first part of camp. They're trying to process 1108 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,600 Speaker 1: all that stuff. So we'll see they're they're still time. 1109 00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,439 Speaker 1: There's still time. Good, Mick, I'm good. All right, let's 1110 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,400 Speaker 1: get out of here. We got the break hovering is 1111 00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,480 Speaker 1: the next? Yeah, thanks for yeah, we didn't point that 1112 00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,960 Speaker 1: out then maybe it's yeah today am Yeah, the leaf 1113 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,200 Speaker 1: blower might be coming back for the break, which is 1114 00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,200 Speaker 1: next on Talking or Dallas Cowboys Radio. Thanks for joining 1115 00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,319 Speaker 1: us on Talking Cowboys through out ox Are. We really 1116 00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,560 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks to Kick Garrison for producing The break 1117 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:56,320 Speaker 1: is next on Dallas Cowboys Radio. This has been a 1118 00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,920 Speaker 1: production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Tallas Cowboys 1119 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:00,440 Speaker 1: foll