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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to it could happen here once again?

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Speaker 1: Who sits by myself and Drew as we talk about

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Speaker 1: whatever Today we have two special guests, Sprout and Ryan

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Speaker 1: from the Black Flower Collective, and they had to talk

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Speaker 1: to us about the dichotomy between urban and rural political organizing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as we can all recognize in this day

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Speaker 1: and age, being politically active is incredibly important. There are

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Speaker 1: a lot of vulnerabilities that we are all facing on

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Speaker 1: this intersection of systems, and we are looking for we

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Speaker 1: as to get out, but it could be difficult to naviate,

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Speaker 1: especially when you don't know exactly where to begin. That's

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Speaker 1: part of the focus of my channel, and it's also

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Speaker 1: something that these folks are here to talk to us about.

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Speaker 1: But before we delve too deeply into the meat of

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Speaker 1: that discussion, let's begin with a quick introduction. You know,

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Speaker 1: who is black Flower Collective? How did you all begin? None?

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Speaker 1: What does its as a group? Hey, this is Sprout

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Speaker 1: and we got started organizing with the Black Flower Collective

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Speaker 1: through previous organizing projects here in Aberdeen, Washington, such as

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Speaker 1: the Chehalis River Mutual Aid Network. That collective got started

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Speaker 1: after the Black Lives Matter rebellion in so called Seattle

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Speaker 1: and was started by feeding the movement out there in

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Speaker 1: back to the community to start a food and Not

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Speaker 1: Bombs here in town. Through those meetings and relationships that

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Speaker 1: we formed, we got to know the local homeless in

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Speaker 1: tried to fill them with our mutual aid efforts. And

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Speaker 1: out of those conversations over meals, we learned that one

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Speaker 1: of the biggest needs was some sort of home base

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Speaker 1: able to just cook food and plan other types of

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Speaker 1: organizations or collectives is imperative because we faced a lot

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Speaker 1: of backlash from the reactionary politics around our town being

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Speaker 1: the type of people that show up in the big

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Speaker 1: and how has that affected your old reach efforts, would

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Speaker 1: some scary situations. There was one time at the homeless

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Speaker 1: up driving off. Yeah, sometimes when we get new volunteers,

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Speaker 1: there can be a bit of hesitance from people to like,

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Speaker 1: you know, take food or supplies because there's a bit

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Speaker 1: But once they realized they're with our group, we've established

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Speaker 1: But it's good that you'll have somewhat established yourselves, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've always seen that personally as our only asset. We

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Speaker 1: Our reputation has led to some of that backlash that

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Speaker 1: So having had some experience with UM like you'll mentioned,

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Speaker 1: one major difference that we've noticed that is the dichotomy

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Speaker 1: the course of the last two years have taken positions

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Speaker 1: still demonstrate an unwillingness to attack their own community in

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Speaker 1: are you talking about like sort of grassroots like right

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Speaker 1: you know, clean up the trash sort of campaign. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: save our Aberdeen, Oh God, save our Aberdeen please soap

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're talking about the trash, not trash

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Speaker 1: So this is a place where sort of like right

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Speaker 1: And like, what other talking points do they have other

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about you. All that glitters we call it

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Speaker 1: how they're trying to shape that perception. So how would

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Speaker 1: the local media landscape in town has a right wing

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