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Speaker 1: Welcome to the newest edition of the Giant Subtle Podcast.

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Speaker 1: John Smoke with you today's guests from NFL dot Com

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Speaker 1: and NFL Network one of their best draft analysts, Lands

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Speaker 1: welcome in Land zero Line. All those great scauting reports

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Speaker 1: and full player profiles and NFL dot Com they belonged

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Speaker 1: to him. He's done hours and hours and days of

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Speaker 1: days of tape study and now the draft is under

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Speaker 1: two weeks away. Lands, congratulations. First of all, I'm finishing

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Speaker 1: all those profiles. I know it is a bare of

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Speaker 1: work for you to do. How did you enjoy the

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Speaker 1: process this year? It was It was fine. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's like it always is. There's times where it's enjoyable

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Speaker 1: as times where it's a grind, and then you know,

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Speaker 1: it was just different because so much more, Uh, take

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Speaker 1: study of the previous year is needed. Like usually I'm

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Speaker 1: just watching, you know, I'll watched primarily just the season

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Speaker 1: watch their touchdowns, their interceptions, who wide receivers, I want

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Speaker 1: to see all their drops, all their touchdowns. But this

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Speaker 1: should say, against better competition, and maybe he didn't get

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Speaker 1: that in It was hard, you know, studying Pact ten

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Speaker 1: just it was a more challenging year, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: And that's not even mentioning the opt outs where we

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Speaker 1: All right, let's let's push aside here the quarterbacks, because

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Speaker 1: I don't think the Giants are going to be in

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Speaker 1: that business. Who are your true blue chip top ten,

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Speaker 1: I don't have uh. I don't believe mac Jones is

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Speaker 1: Uh So there, you've already got nine. You've got two

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Speaker 1: that would be Rashaan Slater in Pina sl Um one

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Speaker 1: Pat Sir tann Is is a true blue chipper. And

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Speaker 1: I think you have a couple of blue chip linebackers,

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Speaker 1: Barmore doesn't quite hit the mix for defensive tackle from

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Speaker 1: news for the Giants, right because you throw the quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: Which one of those guys in that group are you

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Speaker 1: If that's the case, the you kid see a big

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Speaker 1: more information. Michael Parsons, how do you think NFL teams

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Speaker 1: my friend. Tell the folks where they can find your work.

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