1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,359 Speaker 1: What's up, guys. Welcome to the Granger Smith Podcast, Episode 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: thirty three. Thank you for watching and thank you for listening. 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: I'm grateful for this platform to be able to speak 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: my mind, exercise the first Amendment right that I have 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: here in America. And this is the first podcast in 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: my new office. I'm at yeeee Farm in the headquarters 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: of Yeee Apparel. I created this this space so that 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: we could do these podcasts, and we could and we 9 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: could do. Me and the band have talked about doing 10 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: some live streaming in here, playing some music. So and 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: that's an interesting thing we should talk about. Is that. 12 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: Be looking on my social media coming up, be looking 13 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: for us to be putting out one or two or 14 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: three live streams a week. We're gonna do different sets, 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: So comment below on this video with your set list request, 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: with songs you want us to play it. It doesn't 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,959 Speaker 1: matter how old the song is of mine or how 18 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: new the song is of mine. We would love to 19 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: be able to read through that. And we're going to 20 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: put together these set lists for you, guys, and man 21 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: that I wish we could get to your city. I 22 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: wish we could get to you right now. It's killing 23 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: me to not be on the road, and this is 24 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: the next best thing we could do is play these 25 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: songs on a live stream and I just I wanted 26 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: to be able to scratch that itch somehow. The second 27 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: thing we're going to talk about Isyee Apparel summer launch 28 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: June the twelfth, So this is really important. The reason 29 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna push this now is because the last 30 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: several launches we've had have sold out really early. And 31 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: when I say early, we launch at ten am, which 32 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: we will on June twelfth. We launch at ten am, 33 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: and we have we have sold out in minutes of 34 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: some of our some of the more popular items, and 35 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: so we are making more orders and we're we're increasing 36 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: our inventory a little bit on these. But the balance 37 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: is that we want to be able to sell out quickly, 38 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: to push that product quick and then and then it 39 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: gives us a good idea of what to reorder, et cetera, 40 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: et cetera. All being said, and that none of that 41 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: matters to you. What does matter is ten am June twelfth, 42 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: Yee dot com or ye apparel dot com. Make sure 43 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: you go and check it out and be ready, uh 44 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: to get this new stuff. It's really good. I've been 45 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: working my butt off this week doing videos and taking 46 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: pictures and working with Parker and Tyler and Paul and 47 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: Brian and ant Man and all these photographers and videographers 48 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: that have come in and and really helped us to 49 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: create what we are really proud of in the summer launch, 50 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: So be looking for that. How are you guys doing. 51 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: How's the state of the world. I know that there's 52 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: we have now entered a time of the world where 53 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: there's pockets of people that are doing pretty normal, pretty great. 54 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: There's pockets of people that are really locked down, and 55 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: uh it, it's amazing. You just cross a couple of 56 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: state lines or a few international borders and you're in 57 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: a completely different place as far as this shutdown is concerned. 58 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: So how you doing? Comment below, let me know, let 59 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: me know your pulse. Us here in Texas, we feel 60 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: very lucky, We feel very blessed to continue to have 61 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: low numbers and to also be opening up faster and faster, 62 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: and we're seeing good results and it feels very normal. 63 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: Touring as a Tory musician will probably be one of 64 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: the last ones but to go back to work, which 65 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: is why we're doing this live stream, and so we 66 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: set up also this Venmo account at Granger Smith so 67 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: that we could hopefully get some tips for the band 68 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: during that. It's like passing around the virtual pickle jar. 69 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: Back in the old days of playing bars every night, 70 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: we would pass around a pickle jar that said band 71 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: tips on it. So we'll be doing that virtually. You know, 72 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: we've resorted to that these days with zero touring. All 73 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: that being said, a lot of exciting things coming soon. 74 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: Uh be watching the socials for the live stream, and 75 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: be watching yee dot com for the summer launch. Today's 76 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: guest my brother Tyler Smith, my middle brother. Last week 77 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: we had Parker, the youngest brother. This week Tyler, and 78 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: Tyler is a fascinating dude. And so I ran over 79 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: my time on my interview with him today and uh 80 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: so I apologize it's going to cut off a little abruptly, 81 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: but he is such a fascinating dude. He has he 82 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: just will spit out these these little moments of like 83 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: genius wisdom. Its just to just come out and you'll 84 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: hear him say it in a minute, and it always 85 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: shocks me and and me and him that we butt 86 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: heads a lot because I'm I'm he's very directive and 87 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: passionate and I'm very loose and creative, and so it 88 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: works really well in business, but it's times sometimes it clashes, 89 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: and we'll get into that a little bit. You'll get 90 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: to know Tyler a little bit. But we're also going 91 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: to have to continue this interview and do another one. 92 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll be next week, but it'll be. 93 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: It'll be. We'll do a follow up once so you 94 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: could hear more about him because we got to talking 95 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: on this one. So I think you're gonna like it. 96 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: You're in for a treat. He's he's It's not just 97 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: saying that because he's my brother, but he's literally one 98 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: of the most interesting people they over meet, and so 99 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: it's Parker. I'm very proud of both of them. Without 100 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: further ado, welcome to the podcast. Here's my guest. Okay, 101 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: we were walking down the hall to bring you in here, 102 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: and you're like, what are we talking about? And I 103 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: admittedly said that I don't have a plan and that 104 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: kind of scared you. You're like, well, you sure you 105 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: want to do something without I'm sure you don't think 106 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: about it. But usually on this podcast that's just what 107 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: I do. Okay, don't plan anything. And you are one 108 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: of the most, if not the most interesting humans I 109 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: know in what way? And I feel like I've known 110 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: I do know a lot of humans just from traveling 111 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: with touring and what where music has taken us across 112 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: the world. We've met some interesting people, Presidents of the 113 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: United States, you know, foreign ambassadors, crazy rock stars. You 114 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: were one of the most interesting people I know. It's 115 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: that a good thing or a bad thing. It's a 116 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: good thing. And that's why I wanted you on this podcast. 117 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: Last week we did Parker, and so we didn't have 118 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: a plan with Parker either. We just would y'all to 119 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: talk about I didn't listen to it. You didn't listen, 120 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: did you not? Really, it's good. We talked about basically 121 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: his role here at EE Apparel and how he we 122 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: brought me and you stole him away from another kind 123 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: of career he would have had in real estate from 124 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: A and M and then he's the CEO. Yeah, yeah, 125 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,239 Speaker 1: it was a quick rise. Yeah. I also talked about 126 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: how I still missed that little boy that Parker was 127 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: since there's thirteen years difference between me and him and 128 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: ten years difference between you and him, and how we 129 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: mom and dad took us to fud Rutgers and told 130 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: him told us that they were pregnant, and then then 131 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: we talked through his role here and how we've kind 132 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: of changed the business plan. And so with you, just 133 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: off the top of my head, I guess we can 134 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: go and talk about us growing up as brothers. A 135 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: lot of people in the comments to Parker's were like, 136 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: put Tyler on there, put Tyler on there, which is understandable. 137 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: And so where from where we sit right here, Tyler's 138 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: office is on the other wall, on the other side 139 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: of this wall, and Parker is over here. So I 140 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: think it's a huge blessing that we get to work 141 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: together three brothers. It's you know, it's not always easy. 142 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: Me and you have a lot harder of a time 143 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: than you and Parker, or me and Parker. And that's 144 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: because park partly because Parker is so passive. You know 145 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: what I just realized. I don't know if I'm telling 146 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: you you should tell this from everybody. You can edit 147 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: it not, but you don't edit these by the way. 148 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: You know, what I realized today was exactly what you're saying. 149 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: For whatever reason. Our personality is, like we obviously do 150 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: really well together, but sometimes we have some issued minor 151 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: issues brothers stuff, right, but and both of our relationships 152 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: are different with me and you and me and Parker. 153 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: Yeah okay, But what I'm getting to is, in my 154 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: head to was like because London lately, she she has 155 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: little tendencies of things that you do, and I find 156 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: myself like thinking to myself, like like trying to like 157 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: get get back at her a little bit, like we 158 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: kind of like we don't bicker, like but you know 159 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it's the same stuff you and 160 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: me do, and like you and me go at each other, 161 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 1: obviously I don't go after London. But then Lincoln and Parker, 162 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: like I have the same relationship with Lincoln and Parker. 163 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: Like Parker's, like you said, for ten years younger than me, 164 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: so he was a little baby when we were kids, 165 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: so there's still that little and so same with Lincoln. 166 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: But with you and London are similar in that way. 167 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: It's weird because London is so strong willed and I 168 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: could independent. She's very passionate her way in no way, 169 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: and I'm kind of the same way and a lot 170 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: of times her way is also wrong. Yeah's is similar 171 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: to me. You know, I'm very I get very passionate 172 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: about a certain way. But she'll never admit that she's wrong. 173 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: What do you trying to say? Well, so that's so, 174 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: that's part of our story, is that you know, so 175 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: here we are the brother Crew, the three brothers. But 176 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: you and I go back much longer than Parker has 177 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: been with EEE. Even though Parker was there the day 178 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: EEE was said as earl and it is, it needs 179 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: to be said that me and you go back way 180 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: before Parker. We go back to two thousand and two 181 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 1: thousand and eight. Well, these mics are really directional. It's 182 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: like officially, but I remember being at Rice and I 183 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: used to go to the spot on campus where nobody 184 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: else was. I don't know what. It was, just one 185 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: random building and I'd go down to Houston and the 186 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: Rice University in Houston. And I graduated in two thousand 187 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: and seven May, so I'll go down in that basement 188 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: and book shows specifically, remember booking shows. I still got 189 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: that green book. So it was before two thousand and eight. 190 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: It wasn't full time until two thousand and seven. I graduated, 191 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: and I went and worked at a bank, which I hated, 192 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: gave them a I committed to it, though, so morally 193 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to give them a year, you know, do 194 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: what I could. And so anyway, that so that was 195 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: like literally to the day that I started, let's just 196 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: say summer two thousand and seven, quit summer two thousand 197 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: and eight, and then was full time like everything then. 198 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: And basically you're what you usually say is you were 199 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: mad that nothing was happening. I was putting out these 200 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: records and no one was going to the shows, and 201 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: I wasn't getting any more shows, and no one was 202 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: really hearing the music, and you were mad. I was 203 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: with a big management company out in Nashville, and I 204 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 1: was living in College Station, Texas. So I was their 205 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: only act that was in Texas. I was the only 206 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: act that was in a small town really in Texas 207 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: doing the van and trailer touring. And so understandably I 208 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: was forgotten and I didn't think about it that much 209 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: as much as you did. It really bothered you. And 210 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: so I remember you getting so mad while you're working 211 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 1: at that bank that that I wasn't getting shows booked, 212 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, and so you said, screw it, 213 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: I could book a hundred times the shows that you're getting. 214 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: And so the first year that you came on was 215 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: it eight when you when you first came on and 216 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: we started playing all those shows. Yeah, we were playing 217 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: like Wednesday through Saturday, and it was the crappiest show. 218 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: So you came through it. You delivered under your promise. 219 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: And so you really didn't start as manager. You didn't 220 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: say I want to manage you. You You said I want 221 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: to book you. So that's how you started. Well, I don't. Yeah, 222 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: I did love booking, I really did. I had a 223 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: passion for it. I loved working numbers. I guess I 224 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: was fresh out of school Econ. I guess like Econ, 225 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: But I just loved entrepreneurship and building brands and success 226 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: and and and money and numbers. Yeah, so we started booking. 227 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: But those shows, I remember that there was always just 228 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: so many secrets and tricks, not really tricks, but just 229 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: it was always about just being a good person and 230 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: being honest and booking these shows and telling the promoters 231 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 1: if I could ever get them on the phone, that's 232 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: a whole other topic, but telling the promoters, look, I'm 233 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: not guaranteeing that we're going to sell your place out, 234 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: but we're going to put on a good show and 235 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: we'll only take you know, X amount of the door 236 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: five dollars ticket price. They're basically telling them to the 237 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: people that are watching that there's gonna be no risk 238 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: on your end. You know, we're not going to ask 239 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: for a high money guarantee and all that stuff. So anyway, well, 240 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: like you said, we go do those shows and like 241 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: nobody would be there. Like when we say nobody would 242 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: be there, we don't mean there was one hundred people there. 243 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: It was just a waitress. So my job never ended. 244 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: And my job at that point was to buddy up 245 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 1: with the owner that I called and booked that show 246 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: with and talk to him in his office for about 247 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: whatever he wanted to talk about, and just be a 248 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: chameleon and and win his trust and be his friend, 249 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: get his number, text him and say and so basically 250 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: when I'm getting it, as we built that trust and 251 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: that friendship, where when I called this guy back and said, hey, 252 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: can we get another date, first of all, I would 253 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: try to get a date in that office as we're 254 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: closing out, And a lot of times that was a 255 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: big trick and a ticket, like we leave and we 256 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: got another date. But I would call him back and 257 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: he'd say, hey, Tyler man, look you're awesome. I love you, 258 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: I love your brother. You guys got to get a 259 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: great band. But we lost money last time. Nobody came. 260 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: But I like you and your brother. I will give 261 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: you another date. So that was kind of the trick, 262 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: and then we would we just slowly built it that way. 263 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: We got into a lot of places that we shouldn't 264 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: have gotten into a lot earlier because of that. And 265 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: we should say one of your you call it tricks. 266 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: One of the techniques you used was on email on 267 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: the subject line. Should even say it on this podcast. 268 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: It's such a it's such a Tyler technique. Bring we 269 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: still need to get in so that there needs to 270 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: be many podcasts with Tyler, and so this is hopefully 271 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: be the first of many because there's so many stories 272 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: and if you're a beginning artist or a beginning musician, 273 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: you could learn a lot from Tyler and the path 274 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: that we took. In one one way you could look 275 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: at it is you do not need to go get 276 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: you a big Nashville manager or LA manager, or you 277 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: just need somebody that believes in you with everything. Yeah, yeah, 278 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: and and nothing is going to get done though. Nothing 279 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: is going to get done unless you do it. That 280 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: is the bottom line, and so on. One technique Tyler 281 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: used when these people he would email them and say, hey, 282 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: my name is Tyler Smith. I book a band, Granger Smith. 283 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: And we would actually try not to play up the 284 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: brother thing too much because we didn't want to sound 285 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: too homegrown. So we would he would email and make 286 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: the pitch and then not hear anything, and then not 287 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: hear anything, and then not hear anything. So the technique 288 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: Tyler would use is We'll say Bob at Silver Creek 289 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: Saloon whatever, I'm just making, just making names up. He'd say, 290 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: the subject line of the email would say no longer 291 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: working at Silver Creek Saloon question mark, and then the 292 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: body of the email would say, Hey, Bob Herd a 293 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: rumor you're not with Silver Creek. I'm just going to 294 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: say it. It was Don Don Don started BUCkies. For 295 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: all of you guys that know BUCkies, absolutely love that place. 296 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: It's a gas station in the South. We live in Texas. 297 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: There everywhere and amazing food, clean a streams like they're 298 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: just top, top notch, and so they're they're they're they're 299 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: also very supportive of regional artists, musicians, that sort of thing. 300 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: So we we had like T shirts already in there 301 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: in that in their stores, and then we came out 302 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: with our energy Drinky Energy, and so we were just 303 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: calling everybody we could to try to get it in there. 304 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: And we we already had our stuff in BUCkies. And 305 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: so a mutual friend of ours, somebody that runs our 306 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: website knew the owner, hooked me up with their email, 307 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: connected us on an email, I should say, and he 308 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: never responded to the email. Was you know, he's one 309 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: of many? Though, yeah, Don's one of many. Oh yeah, 310 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: I'm just this. We just still joke about that. That 311 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: was just a big example. But but the the key 312 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: thing to this whole thing is if you if no 313 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: one's replying to you, if you put in the subject 314 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: line Bob no longer working at Silver something. I emailed 315 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: Donald two two times, three times. Nothing. I was like, 316 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: screw it. So I said, I was pissed, and I said, 317 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: are you know no longer working there? Like in the 318 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: subject don no longer CEO of BUCkies or owner of 319 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: Bucki's did you get fired? Like I was like jabbing 320 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: at him, and I knew he was going to respond, 321 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: and sure enough, literally like after weeks of no return emails, 322 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: literally literally five minutes after I sent that email, he 323 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: sent back a reply, really pissed in short yeah, like 324 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: something like yeah, what are you talking about? Who told 325 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: you that? And I was like, Hey, don now that 326 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: I got your attention, thanks for a response. We got 327 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: ee energy. We're looking to put it in your store. 328 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: That is playing to someone's ego. They cannot stand to 329 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: let an email go by that says that there's a 330 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: rumor that they're not working at the company that they're 331 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: actually the CEO or the bar owner for, or the 332 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: booker for. And so Tyler's been doing that trick for 333 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: twelve years or maybe more to these small town bar owners. 334 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: We had so many problems, like sometimes I remember one specifically, 335 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: was it Brownwood, Texas. You know, you would get the 336 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: show booked, and this is once again no one knew 337 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: who we were. So Tyler's just going on merit with 338 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: these gequa Yeah. Yeah, so we were booking it based 339 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: on hey, I know, I know they're not going to 340 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: draw anybody to your club, but the people you do 341 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: have there will love this band and they'll want to 342 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: come back. And that was our goal, get them, get 343 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: them one at a time where the people that were 344 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: there would start to be fans, and so you would 345 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: do it on merit and then we would we would 346 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: send them a contract, you know, but then they hardly 347 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: ever would sign it and send it back. They would 348 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: prefer we just showed up. And so this happened a 349 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: few times. One specifically Tequila Something in Brownwood, Texas. We 350 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: showed up and they that guy that booked it with 351 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: you was had been fired and they didn't know we 352 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: were coming. And then no one knew we were coming. 353 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: They were all locked and so here we go on 354 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: a Friday night with the van and trailer and all 355 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: the band. Who's going to get you know? I was 356 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: paying them like a hundred bucks, I know, and no 357 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: one was there, and I you know, that was just 358 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: one of those days where were you with us? Or 359 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: was I called selling merch? Yeah, you're selling merch. So 360 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: we've come a long way, and that's why these conversations 361 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: are so interesting, especially if you're if you're a beginning musician, 362 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: you're listening to this podcast you're thinking about it. I 363 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: can't stress enough that first of all, you don't have 364 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: to leave your little hometown. You don't have to move 365 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: to a big music city. You don't have to sign 366 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: a big record label or big management or a big 367 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: book an agency. You could do it with you and 368 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: your brother. Now you've got to be passionate about it. 369 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: And you got it. You gotta work. You can do 370 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: yourself as long as you can hopefully find somebody that. 371 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: Uh so, then fast forward things start going good. We 372 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: we get to we get to a place, fast forward 373 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: through a lot. Well, I'm fast forward, get good. Yeah, 374 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: we had a lot of bad days. We we had 375 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: We had some moments like me and you had some 376 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: heated moments and empty parking lots and a lot of 377 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: the frustration with no one coming to the shows and 378 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: no one listened to the music that we were so 379 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: passionate about. We worked so hard on building something. And 380 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: when you would continually hit your head with a hammer 381 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: every Friday night, when especially when you would build, we 382 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: would build something a little bit like say we would 383 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: have one hundred people at a place and commerce Texas 384 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: thirsty mule, drunken mule. We would build something, and we'd 385 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: have one hundred and twelve people at Drunken Mule Commerce, 386 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: Texas on Friday night, and we'd think, Dad, gun, we're 387 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: kind of kind of working here. This town's really coming around. 388 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: And then we play there again a year later and 389 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: there'd be eighty four people were like, well, we're going down. 390 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: And so you remember the time you were selling merch 391 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 1: and commerce and you looked up on the railing and 392 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: you had put what a sticker, that Granger Smith sticker 393 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: on the wail. It was the don't listen the radio, 394 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: that white one. And you realized that we had been 395 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,719 Speaker 1: doing the same plane at the same place for years 396 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: and nothing had changed. The numbers hadn't gone up. In fact, 397 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: maybe they had gone down. And you lost your mind 398 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: about that. And another time happened to me in Nacodochius 399 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: or Tyler Texas, Tyler Tyler Texas Electric something. It was 400 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: the we played it twice one with Robert ro'keeine and 401 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: like Josh Abbott, and then once or twice by we 402 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: always played the Electric Cowby. That was yeah, anyway the 403 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: other no way it came and I was in the 404 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: parking lot and I remember just that was one of 405 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: my bigger breakdowns in the music business. I just I 406 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: asked the band, how's it looking, and they're like, well, no, 407 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: no one's in there, and you know, years of work, 408 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 1: and I just I just remember throwing suitcases outside in 409 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: the parking lot. I was chunking them out of the trailer, 410 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: and I just decided to just take go for a 411 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: walk and just leave. And I thought I had disappeared, 412 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: and you found me at a storage unit lot, hiding 413 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: it in between the storage units, just curled up in 414 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: a little ball, and you somehow, I don't know how 415 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: you tracked me there, but I was literally going to 416 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: sit in that storage unit in the dark and just 417 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: let the time of our set list go until it 418 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: was they closed, and just not show up. I think 419 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: part of me was. Part of it was getting you 420 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: for the show. Part of it was I think I 421 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: said something that I probably regretted. Yeah, I don't know 422 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: about nobody being there and blaming whatever. So's fast forward 423 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: a bit. Was fast forward from there like three years 424 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: to like twenty and twelve thirteen, and all of a 425 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: sudden it switched. You went from an outgoing email, outgoing phone. 426 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: We're talking about bad things but those times were fun. 427 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: Great Bandah, we're all road buddies. Yeah. So we went 428 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: from you went from outgoing email outgoing phone call guy 429 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: to incoming email incoming phone call guy over the course 430 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: of from twenty twelve to two two thousand and sixteen. 431 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: You know that I wouldn't say incoming. I would just 432 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: say they would respond something fifty percent of time instead 433 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: of zero. So then we left Texas and then you 434 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: started over, started from scratch when we left Texas, and 435 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: then you were booking places that we had never even 436 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: been to. States we hadn't even traveled to, like Portland, Oregon. 437 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: You know, you're calling Portland, Oregon and you're saying, hey, John, 438 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: my name's Tyler Smith. I'm trying to book my band 439 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 1: there Tractor Tavern in Seattle. Man that he wouldn't do it, 440 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: and I was doing the same thing, and after that 441 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: show we sold it out. Heat send me an email, 442 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: I said, dude, I'm sorry, i I'll eat my words 443 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: or eat crow or whatever. He said. I've never in 444 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: my entire career, I've never been wrong this wrong. Yeah 445 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: about a band. I've always had an idea. But so 446 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: you were calling them, and we're calling these rock clubs, 447 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,479 Speaker 1: because that's the only thing that that's only an average 448 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: size venue we can get into. We'd call a rock 449 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:18,239 Speaker 1: club in Seattle, Washington, Dante's in Portland, Oregon, and they 450 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: would be like, never heard of you, Like, well, we're 451 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: from Texas and we've never been there, We've never played there. 452 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: They're like, what are your numbers? Well, we've never had 453 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: numbers there, but we sell a lot of T shirts there, 454 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: you know, like we we send T shirts there and 455 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:32,959 Speaker 1: we feel like if we just if you give us 456 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: a shot, I think people would come. And he's like, 457 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 1: well didn't They just end up saying, I'll give you 458 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: like a Monday and you can just take the five dollars. 459 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: We'll catch five dollars at the door. You could just 460 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: keep all that, Yeah, to give us their worst night. 461 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: And so it was no risk on their end, and 462 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: it was you know, we were ready to go do 463 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: whatever we could to get people in there. Yeah. So 464 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: the there's like five year clumps that we've gone through 465 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: where every five years your role changes evolves, but you're 466 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: learning something from the previous clump of years that you 467 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: apply to the new year. New clump of years that 468 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: has it new challenges. Yeah, never never gotten easier or 469 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: better or worse. It's pick your problems. It's pick your 470 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: problems to not use bigger problems. Like the bigger problems 471 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: the better because because ultimately you know the amount of 472 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: effort that you spend on them in brain power and 473 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: all that stuff is the same. It's just the risk 474 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: and reward is a lot better. Yeah, let's go play 475 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: this arena with this artist or do you want to go? 476 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: You know what we're talking about right now. Yeah, So 477 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: from then on, most of these people watching or listening, 478 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: if you're through your fan or if you follow this podcast, 479 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: most of you know the story from twenty fifteen on 480 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: and the years before that were vague because not many 481 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: people were following us. And so we'll talk a lot 482 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: about that, and I think that'll be a good podcast 483 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: on our transition to major record label world and how 484 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: your role went from basically tour manager, book an agent, 485 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: merch seller to manager, which is very different. You know, 486 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: manager now you don't overlook road merch as much. You 487 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: don't book shows, you just approve them when they come through. 488 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: You don't deal with tour management at all, Like you 489 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: don't care when lunch is for the band, and a 490 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: lot of that has to do with having amazing team 491 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: members and trusting Chris, our tour manager, who I believe 492 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: is the best in the business. And I don't need 493 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: to because he's the best. Braiden, our booking agent. I 494 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 1: trust everything he brings our way. And so half the 495 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: time I say, dude, he'll ask me, what do you 496 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: want to do? I said, I trust you whatever you think. 497 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: So if there was ever a great team, if there 498 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: was such a true blessing and everything besides fans, it 499 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: would be having a loyal team. Do this doesn't happen 500 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: without a team. You know that our label team, our 501 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: you know, publicity team, our road team, everybody, it's top 502 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: to bottom and it's even a whole new level now 503 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: with this virus. That those guys are all the guys 504 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 1: you just named, Braden, Chris, the band, that everyone is 505 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: still loyal through these uncertain times. And so that's and 506 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: that's where my first my first job when this hit 507 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: and we stopped touring, was take care of the guys 508 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: that have taken care of us. But all that being said, 509 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: and I want this probably to be another podcast, and 510 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: I want to kind of dive into that. But right now, 511 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: I started this by saying, you're one of the most 512 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: interesting guys that I know. And so let's talk about 513 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: you and outside of music, outside of manager, outside of 514 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: Yegee Apparel, outside of Earl Dibbles, Let's talk about you 515 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: as a person, starting with your desire to strive for 516 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: greatness as a person, which then filters into business. But 517 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: it starts with you as a person. So let's start 518 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: with like your morning routine, where that came from. How 519 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: long you've been doing it, Why you do it? Why 520 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: why it bled into me and Amber and Parker and 521 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: Mom and many other people that have followed your lead. Well, 522 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: I have a very obsessive personality. I think it's all 523 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: or nothing with me. You know, for instance, I'm not 524 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: going to drink one beer. If I'm gonna drink, I'm 525 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: probably just gonna get really drunk. But I don't know. 526 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,719 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm going through a thing 527 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: right now or haven't drank in you know, ninety days. 528 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: But it started with it started It sounded like that 529 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: sounded like you're an alcoholic of some sort, but you're not. 530 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: You're just proving a point that when you do something 531 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: you do it to the fullest. Whatever that is. It's 532 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: all mental thing with me. It's all mindset to see 533 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: how I can push myself. But it started, honestly with 534 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: It's always been like inside me, but Parker is the 535 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: one that brought it out of me. When I was 536 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: living with him and I would wake up at eight thirty, nine, 537 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: nine thirty whatever it was, look out the window and 538 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: his car would be gone, like damn it, like he's 539 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: already gone, Like he's he won. He like very competitive, right, 540 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: he's winning the day already ahead of me. He's he's 541 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: out there doing something productive and I've been sleeping. And 542 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: so somehow we eventually started talking and he showed me 543 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: a book called The Miracle Morning that started it all 544 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: for me. And so he showed me, like I said, 545 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: let me see your notes, like he was writing his notes, 546 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: like he was having his little time in the morning 547 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: by himself, and then he would leave and I was 548 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: sleeping during that time. And so luckily, man, I just 549 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: I just fell in love with it. And it's it's 550 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: a huge passion of mine and basically, long story short, 551 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: it's it's about waking up in the morning early, not 552 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: hitting your alarm. It's about so many things. I don't 553 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: even know where to start. But it's about controlling your day. 554 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: It's about not reacting. One of the biggest things I 555 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: could tell anybody watching right now, that's super simple. There's 556 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: so many layers of this, but the easiest and one 557 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: of the first things I started doing, was don't sleep 558 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: at your phone by your nightstand. Put it in a 559 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: different room if you can. I put mine. Now I 560 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: put it on just on the other side of the room. 561 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: But so many years I would wake up, even in 562 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: the middle of night. You know, if you kind of 563 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: wake up, you just check your phone. But so many 564 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: of us, probably all of us, wake up and check 565 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: our phone, and immediately we got emails, we got text 566 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: we got miscalls. So you're reacting to the day. You're 567 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: immediately reacting to other people's problems. So the whole premise 568 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: is you have to control your day, and you start 569 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: off by protecting yourself, protecting the asset which I like 570 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: to call it, which is yourself, and put your phone 571 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: away and don't look at it for at least thirty 572 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: minutes after waking up. I don't look at mine typically 573 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: until an hour and a half or two hours after 574 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: I wake up, And what time do you wake up? 575 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: Five seven days a week. Last night, I know because 576 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: we were shooting until midnight. But I get eight hours, man, 577 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: And everybody, everybody says, you know, there's kind of this 578 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: weird stigma in this pride of like I can go 579 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: on four and five hours. But man, I just I 580 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: read and I study and research a lot on this stuff. 581 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: But no means an expert, but I just I know me, 582 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I get my eight out. It's like 583 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: so important to get your sleep. If you don't get 584 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: your sleep, then you know what times you go to bed. 585 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: If I get up at five, I go to I'm 586 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: in bed at eight and I read and then it's 587 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: lights out by nine. But sometimes right there, does anyone 588 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: know anybody that goes spend at eight? That's not a 589 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: little kid? Right there, You're one of the most interesting 590 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: schedule keepers. It's a blessing and a curse. I'm very minute. 591 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: And so that's why I asked you, is like what 592 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: are we talking about? Like I need to know a schedule, 593 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: Like my my day is planned every hour like five 594 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: o'clock till I go to bed. There I have a schedule. 595 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: And I've been struggling honestly lately with if I get 596 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: out of that routine, I struggle in my mind kind 597 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: of starts doing its thing, and so I'm trying to 598 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: get better than that. But anyway, meditation, I do that 599 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: first thing, And how long since you've been getting up? 600 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: How long have you been getting up at five am? 601 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: Going on almost two years? Almost two years? Well, it 602 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: started at like with Parker thing, it started at like, 603 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: if I was getting up at eight thirty, I recommend 604 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: everybody start like fifteen minutes earlier, thirty minutes earlier. So 605 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: it started eight o'clock, seven thirty, and it ended up 606 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: at five. And lately I've been like, man, I'm going 607 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: to try to do four thirty. And you're and it's 608 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: important for everyone to know that you're not like an 609 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: early riser by Nachel, I know you're a sleeper man. 610 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: You're like my whole life, sleep till noon kind of guy. 611 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: So that's what's so different about it. That's that's what 612 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: shows the mental discipline and power is because you're not 613 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: naturally just an early riser. W Yeah, I wanna A 614 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: phrase that I really like is do hard things. Have 615 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: an easy life or do easy things and have a 616 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: hard life. So good. I love doing hard things. So 617 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: like waking up is hard for me. Waking up everybody's guilty. 618 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 1: You hit the snooze, how many times you hit it? 619 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: And immediately when you're hitting the snooze, you're lying to yourself. 620 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: If you made a promise to yourself, why'd you set 621 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: an alarm if you didn't intend in getting up at 622 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: that time. So when you set an alarm for five, 623 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: like if you snooze, you're starting your day off by 624 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,760 Speaker 1: lying to yourself. And I'm big on keeping the promises 625 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,879 Speaker 1: you make to yourself. And so it's so man, it's 626 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,879 Speaker 1: like Christmas morning. It's so weird the feeling I get 627 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,760 Speaker 1: when my alarm goes off boom, I'm up, Like there's 628 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: no there's nothing in my mind that wants to sleep 629 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: because I've calloused in my mind in a way. And 630 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: immediately start by being grateful and you know, saying thank 631 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: you guy for this day. Like and I have like 632 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: all these affirmations in my shower, So I go meditate. 633 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: I do cold showers every day that I'm obsessed with. 634 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: And it's hard things that like you you psych yourself 635 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: up for but you you have so much info and 636 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: we're running out of time. I'm crazy, We're running out 637 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 1: of time. So I want to do this again. I 638 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: want to continue this. But yeah, more from Tyler on 639 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: the next podcast. I love you, guys, and you'll hear. 640 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: You'll hear about this interesting dude a lot more. See you, guys, 641 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: See ya,