1 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: I am Mike Spofford. He is my partner in crime, 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from different locations 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 2: ATLINO will Field to review the twenty twenty three draft 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: for the Packers weston thirteen selections over a span of 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: three days, including nine on the third and final day 8 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 2: on Saturday. I don't know about you, but only having 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 2: Sunday off before coming back to work on Monday was 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: not enough of a break. But that being said, it 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 2: was quite the eventful weekend in packerland. 12 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 3: You know what the weekend reminded me of, Mike. It's 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 3: where I don't know how many like ten k's or 14 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 3: half marathons you've run, but it's where you know you're 15 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 3: prepared for it. Zero. Okay, well I've run a couple now, 16 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 3: but if you're not properly conditioned to pacing, you can 17 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 3: kind of hit that wall at the end. That's what 18 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 3: the seventh round was for me. On Saturday night, it 19 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 3: was like, Hey, I knew we were getting thirteen picks. 20 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 3: I knew it was going to be a long couple days, 21 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: but when we got to that seventh round and it 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 3: was one, two, three, four picks right in a row. 23 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 3: That was sort of that last push over the hump, 24 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 3: the most picks the Packers have had in the modern 25 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 3: draft era, seventh round era, uh tying that with two thousand. 26 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 3: When you know, you look at Ron Wolf uh drafting 27 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 3: thirteen players and on that what would now be the 28 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 3: third day, he got Nile Diggs, Kabir Baja Biamila, and 29 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 3: Mark Tauschman. Oh sure, yeah, three pretty good football players. 30 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 3: And certainly there was one big line. It came from 31 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 3: Milt Hendrickson, uh, Packers director of player Operations, when he 32 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: came out to talk about some of the picks and 33 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 3: he said, you know, if you're batting three hundred, it 34 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,919 Speaker 3: always it's better to have, you know, thirteen at bats 35 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 3: than ten. And it's true, I mean it does. Having 36 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 3: those extra picks gives you a couple more swings at 37 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 3: the play and the Packers hope that they hit a 38 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 3: home run here. 39 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 40 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: Well, it was a busy three days. 41 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: And as we review the draft class here, we'll break 42 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: it down by phase offense, defense, special teams. 43 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: And when you look at you look at what the Packers. 44 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: Did on offense West This was about This was about 45 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 2: an influx of young talent at the perimeter positions. The 46 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: Packers drafted three wide receivers, two tight ends, and a 47 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: running back. All of them are going to have a 48 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: tremendous opportunity to make their mark on the depth chart 49 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: here in Green Bay as things currently stand. The offensive 50 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: picks started on Friday night with the two tight ends, 51 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: one in the second round, one in the third round, 52 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: Luke Musgrave from Oregon State and Tucker Craft from South 53 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: Dakota State. In between those two in the second round 54 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,399 Speaker 2: was wide receiver Jaden Reid from Michigan State. And then 55 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 2: two wide receivers added on Saturday, Dante Wicks from Virginia. 56 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: I believe he goes by Tay, so I'm just gonna 57 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: call him Ta Wicks and Grant Dubo's from Charlotte. So 58 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 2: at tight end and wide receiver, not unexpected. What the 59 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: Packers did loading up, so to speak, at those at 60 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 2: those two positions, at a combination there of early round 61 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,839 Speaker 2: picks and some late round picks. To see what these 62 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 2: young men have. 63 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 3: Well, and as you said too, Mike, you and I 64 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 3: we haven't had necessarily the opportunity to dive right into 65 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 3: this draft. Yet we kind of slept a little bit 66 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: on Sunday and then we came into the office today 67 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 3: one of the little type of you know, little research projects. 68 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 3: I want to do. It won't take too long, I'm sure. 69 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 3: On drafthistory dot com was the last time the Packers 70 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: out of a draft drafted a quarterback, a running back, 71 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 3: a receiver, at least one receiver, and at least one 72 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,119 Speaker 3: tight end. Uh, they addressed everything, and I think when 73 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: you look at what the Packers needs were, they lost 74 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 3: a lot of their depth in free agency. Right, So 75 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 3: many people focus on the Aaron Rodgers transition to Jordan Love, 76 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 3: but you lose Allen Lazard, you lose Robert Tunyan. At 77 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 3: this time, Mercedes Lewis has not been resigned. The Packers 78 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 3: needed not only to find some potential playmakers, they needed 79 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 3: to be able to build out the depth of their 80 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: skill positions. Brian Gudikunz did that, starting really quickly, just 81 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 3: mentioning Musgrave and Craft. You know, there's a lot of 82 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 3: people in inbox asking, well, if you like one, why 83 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 3: did you have to take two? Well, the fact of 84 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 3: the matter is Mike last year, Robert Tunyan and Mercedes Lewis. 85 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 3: They ate up almost fifteen hundred snaps together. They started 86 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 3: twenty combined games over the course of the seasons. The 87 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 3: Packers love their twelve personnel package and they would just 88 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 3: be completely thrilled if both Musgrave and Craft end up 89 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 3: being solid NFL contributors. They have different type of skill sets, 90 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 3: but yet they're both incredibly versatile and what they do. 91 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 3: It's not like one is just strictly an inline blocker 92 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 3: and one is a perimeter Jermichael Finley type type receiving 93 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 3: tight end. A lot of flexibility with how the Packers 94 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 3: want to use that position. When you only had Josiah 95 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 3: Deguara and Tyler Davis coming back from last season, you 96 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 3: had to make a move and the Packers did that. 97 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, Musgrave is that is that, you know, big target, 98 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: but with the speed down the field, He's that. He's 99 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: that kind of prospect coming off of obviously a really 100 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 2: rough knee injury from last season. But he talked in 101 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: his conference called the Zoom Call that he had with 102 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: the media after he was picked. He talked about how 103 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 2: he he really pushed himself to be able to get 104 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: back on the field for the Senior Bowl. He knew 105 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: he could be one of these one of the top 106 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: guys in a very deep tight end class as long 107 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 2: as he would have a chance to show what he's got. 108 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: And and even though he really didn't have much of 109 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: a season, just two games at Oregon State last year 110 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 2: before the injury, he was back on the field for 111 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl. He did everything at the combine and 112 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 2: he and he did become one of the top prospects 113 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: that was being talked to about very much so as 114 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: a as a second round target for a lot of teams, 115 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: and the Packers swooped in there. Then in the third 116 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 2: round they add another tight end in Tucker Craft. Now 117 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 2: this is a you know, an FCS All American from 118 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: South Dakota State. He even talked about how he had 119 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: he he had nil offers, you know, a chance to 120 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: transfer from the smaller school, go big time, you know, 121 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 2: make some money as a college kid in this new 122 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 2: landscape of college football. He's from Timberlake, South Dakota, population 123 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: of five hundred and thirteen people, and he wanted to 124 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: stick to you know, stick to his roots, stick to 125 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 2: the to the small town, the small town roots that 126 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: he has, and now he's going to He's going to 127 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: take all that background to the big time, so to speak, 128 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 2: in the NFL. Sounds like a very very confident young man. 129 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: I had asked Brian gudakunst okay, So if the if 130 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: the vertical speed, which is what John Eric Sullivan had 131 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,239 Speaker 2: had pegged Luke Musgrave as sort of the standout trait 132 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: in a very deep class of tight ends. If vertical 133 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: speed is is Luke Musgrave's thing, what is what is 134 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 2: Tucker Craft's thing? 135 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: And uh? 136 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 2: And Brian Guducum said, it's probably the run after the catch, 137 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: the the ability to stay balanced, to break tackles and 138 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: and you know, turn shorter passes into uh into some 139 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: longer gains. Both of these guys can run, but it's 140 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: it's a it's an interesting compliment to talk about the 141 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: two of them, one of them being the downfield threat, 142 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 2: the other one being a guy who can maybe uh, 143 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: you know, break some tackles and and turn shorter passes 144 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: into more productive plays. 145 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, you never want to have injuries, but when you 146 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 3: look at Muskrave. The mcl I wrote about this, I 147 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 3: think in our Insider Inbox column that is probably the 148 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 3: best case scenario in terms of when you talk about 149 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 3: knee injuries, because he did his did require surgery. You know, 150 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 3: many times sprains can actually heal themselves when it's in 151 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 3: you know, a medial collateral ligament. But the thing that's 152 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 3: cool about it from his perspective is he was able 153 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: to get healthy again. He was able to go through 154 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 3: the offseason program, the pre draft process in show teams that, hey, 155 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 3: this is the type of player I am. Because Mike, 156 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 3: you mentioned the two games before he got hurt, he 157 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 3: was already halfway towards his entire output from the previous season. 158 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 3: He was in the midst of a breakout season with 159 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 3: the way that he started his twenty twenty two campaign. 160 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 3: And from Craft's perspective, so much respect for the kid. 161 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 3: We'll talk about Carl Brooks at some point too. These 162 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 3: guys that look at for the programs that really invested 163 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: in them, and they stayed true to them. And I 164 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 3: think if anything has been proven here the last few years, 165 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: when you look at what South Dakota State has done 166 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 3: obviously last year, North Dakota State and Christian Watson, not 167 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 3: only is are they producing NFL talent and NFL ready talent. 168 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 3: The amount of opportunities these kids get is pretty incredible. 169 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I believe Kraft played in like fifteen games 170 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 3: or something close to that last year. I mean, these 171 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 3: kids get such a huge opportunity to be the guy 172 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 3: in these offenses. And another big thing that mil Hendrickson 173 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 3: talked about, you look for it. You look for these 174 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 3: young guys that maybe don't play against Alabama every week 175 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 3: to dominate their competition. And Craft is one of those 176 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 3: kids that has done that. 177 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and by sticking around to South Dakota State, he 178 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: won a national championship and he had he kept you 179 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: talk about playing the fifteen games. You know, they make 180 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: the whole big playoff run, they win the FCS national title, 181 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: and then he's moving on to the NFL and ends up, 182 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 2: you know, still getting picked in the third round despite 183 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: not being you know, from one of those big schools, 184 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 2: a wide receiver. You know, it's it's it's hard to 185 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 2: contain the excitement in some ways for Jaden Reid. The 186 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 2: selection out of Michigan State. Brian Gudakunz took Luke Musgrave 187 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: at picked number forty two in the second round. He 188 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 2: also had pick number forty five, he had Jaden Reid 189 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 2: on his radar. He actually traded back twice, picked up 190 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 2: a couple of extra Day three draft picks, ended up 191 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: moving back five spots as a result of those two trades, 192 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: and then still got read. And I think what's really interesting, 193 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: what's interesting about re and this is what I said 194 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: in our Insider Inbox column for Monday morning, the Packers 195 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 2: haven't had a receiver with with this type of profile 196 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: in Matt Lafleur's offense. They you know, they gave it 197 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: a try, I guess, so to speak with with Amari Rodgers, 198 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 2: you know, trying to find that slot receiver who could 199 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 2: run the jet sweeps and some of those things. But 200 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 2: a Mari Rodgers doesn't run like Jayden Reed does in 201 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: terms of the speed. Amari Rodgers was not, didn't didn't have, 202 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 2: you know, all these highlights of contested catches, going up 203 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: and fighting for footballs and doing the kinds of things 204 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 2: that that Jayden Reid did at Michigan State. So there's 205 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 2: there's a very different profile here. While Tay Wix and 206 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 2: Grant Dubo's are those you know, six one six two 207 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 2: and two hundred pound more of those classic. Uh, you 208 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 2: know Green Bay receivers in terms of the physical profile, 209 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: Jayden Reed is not. And this is going to be 210 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 2: a very interesting addition in in addition to what he 211 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 2: did as a return specialist at Michigan State as well. 212 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: This is a very very interesting addition to Matt Lafleur's system. 213 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 3: As I've said numerous times now, it's always interesting to 214 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 3: see what the Packers' off season emphasis is and how 215 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 3: that ultimately correlates to the team that they build for 216 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 3: the upcoming season. With looking just strictly at Reid for 217 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 3: a second last year, Christian Watson, he did some of 218 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 3: the jet sweep stuff, he did some of the backfield stuff. 219 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 3: But right away at the end of the year and 220 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 3: especially getting reiterated at the NFL scouting combine, Matt Lafuer said, 221 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 3: you know, they want to get him going downfield. They 222 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 3: want to get Romeo Dobbs the vertical routes going, expanding 223 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 3: their road trees, making them top perimeter receivers in this league. 224 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 3: You expected that there would be a slot type receiver, 225 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 3: a jet sweep type option that might come out of 226 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 3: this year's draft in Boyle Boy. Does Reid fit that? 227 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 3: I mean This is a kid that did and wore 228 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 3: a lot of those different hats at Michigan State. He 229 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 3: offers you some punt returning flexibility. He's a guy that 230 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 3: is willing to play on coverage teams, although if if 231 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 3: he shines the way he did at Michigan State, he 232 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 3: probably won't have to very often. I'm just so excited 233 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 3: to see him, you know, come into the picture here. 234 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 3: I made no bones about it, Mike. When you and 235 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 3: I talked last week, I was really big on Jackson 236 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 3: Smith and Jigba still really big on that kid. I 237 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 3: can't wait to see what he does in Seattle. Seattle 238 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 3: has such a great track record for developing, you know, 239 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 3: that young talent right away and getting him on the field, 240 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,479 Speaker 3: whether it's a you know, a you know, a Metcalf 241 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 3: or you know the slot receiver there that they had. 242 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 3: I almost said the Randall Cobb, you know kind of 243 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 3: look alike, but no, I mean, the fact of the 244 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 3: matter is, I just feel like Jiden Reid is going 245 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 3: to come in here four four five speed, being able 246 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 3: to make an impact right away, that the possibility is 247 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 3: there for all these young guys to play right off 248 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 3: the bat. And uh, I just see Reid as a 249 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 3: guy that's going to really flourish in this scheme. 250 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, Elsewhere on the offensive side, you mentioned how the 251 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: Packers kind of hit on all of the all the 252 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: perimeter positions. Loun Nichols drafted in the seventh round running 253 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 2: back out of Central Michigan, and then also in the 254 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 2: fifth round, Sean Clifford, the quarterback from Penn State. I'll 255 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: start with the running back first. Nichols really interesting guy here, 256 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 2: much like much like Tay Wicks from Virginia. Twenty twenty 257 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 2: one was really his big college season. Nichols had eighteen 258 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: hundred rushing yard sixteen touchdowns for Central Michigan in twenty 259 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: twenty one. Then in twenty twenty two, he dealt with 260 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 2: some injuries, was limited a little bit, sounded like he 261 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 2: was trying to play through, you know, playing in some 262 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 2: games where he wasn't close to one hundred percent. Central 263 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 2: Michigan also had two offensive linemen from the twenty twenty 264 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: one from their twenty twenty one group that were drafted. 265 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 2: That doesn't happen every year at a school like Central Michigan, 266 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 2: where two offensive linemen are are drafted in the NFL 267 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 2: the same year so there was a lot of transition 268 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 2: going on there. But Nichols, I mean right away, Packers, No, 269 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: obviously it's the Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon show at 270 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 2: running back. But yeah, have Patrick Taylor, you have Tyler Goodson, 271 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: and now you'll have Lou Nichols in that mix. As 272 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 2: in that mix to see who the number three running 273 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 2: back is going to be. 274 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 3: It's funny listening to Nichols to talk about it. You know, 275 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 3: Mike so many times, the small NFL circles, just you know, 276 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 3: the six degrees of Kevin Bacon, if you will, how 277 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 3: these things go. Nichols his college coach at Central Michigan. 278 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 3: His position coach is actually the same one that Aaron 279 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 3: Jones had throughout his time at Texas El Paso. Just 280 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 3: funny how those dominoes work. So he's very familiar with Jones, 281 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 3: He's very familiar with AJ Dillon. And when you look 282 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 3: at it on paper, Mike, the way he matches up 283 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 3: from a measurable standpoint in the fact that he's five 284 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 3: to eleven, two hundred and twenty pounds. This has been 285 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 3: a recurring story for the Packers over the last ten years. 286 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 3: These are the type of backs they like as awesome 287 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 3: as Aaron Jones is and as incredible future Packers Hall 288 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 3: of Famer the career he's had here. They like those 289 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty pound kind of bellcow you know backs, 290 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 3: and and Nichols has done it at a really high level. 291 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 3: Eighteen hundred rushing yards and sixteen touchdowns is awesome. You 292 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 3: need a good offensive line to do it, but it 293 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 3: says something about the talent of the kid as well. 294 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 3: And then just to close really quickly on Sean Clifford, 295 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 3: I don't know if I ever recall maybe Graham Harrell 296 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 3: would be the last time someone's come in that's had 297 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 3: as decorated of a college career as Clifford had over 298 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 3: ten thousand passing yards eighty six touchdowns. This kid beat 299 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 3: out Will Levis for the for Penn State's quarterback job 300 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 3: three years ago. He knows what it's like to be 301 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 3: in the fire and definitely carries himself with, you know, 302 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 3: a leadership and sort of a confidence that I think 303 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 3: you really need from that position. And just to mention 304 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 3: this too, because people asking, well fifth round, why fifth round? Well, 305 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 3: you listened to Brian Goodigun's talk about it, where the 306 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 3: Packers got him. Not only did they feel like that 307 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 3: was the best value in the best fit, there wasn't 308 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 3: necessarily a lot of guys underneath him that they valued 309 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 3: in that same way, and certainly they wanted to bring 310 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 3: in another their quarterback. And now they got a pretty 311 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 3: good prospect here in Clifford. 312 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Clifford one. I believe it's thirty two wins during 313 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 2: his you know, he started forty six games I think 314 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: at the college level at Penn State, which is which 315 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 2: is pretty remarkable. There are actually a few guys in 316 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: this draft class that that really were four year starters, 317 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: in some cases five year starters, and Clifford will be 318 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 2: thrown thrown right in there. It's it's Sean Clifford or 319 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 2: Danny Eettling right now for the number two job behind 320 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 2: behind Jordan Love. So the so the Packers are going 321 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: to see, you know, see how that shakes out. Brian 322 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: Gudakunz did not close the door necessarily on signing a 323 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 2: veteran quarterback, but I think he's gonna he wants to 324 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 2: see what how Ettling and Clifford do with the reps 325 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: that they will be given during OTAs. As you know, 326 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 2: as the backup competition gets going behind love there, so 327 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: before we shift gears to the defensive side, take care 328 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: of the sponsor business. Here West Sirius XM NFL Radio 329 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 2: delivers hard hitting analysis and up to the minute NFL 330 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 2: news that true football fanatics need. Twenty four to seven, 331 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 2: three sixty five and I had Cousin Subs. We have 332 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: something for everyone, like our Wisconsin Cheese cards, mac and cheese, 333 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 2: golden fries, and creamy shakes, all paired with your favorite 334 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 2: sub or sub in a bowl. Cousin Subs fifty years 335 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: of better. All right, on the defensive side, That's where 336 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 2: the Packers began this draft, sitting at number thirteen overall 337 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 2: in the first round, and things, you know, went fairly predictably. 338 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 2: Maybe there were a couple of surprises in there. But 339 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 2: you and I both talked about it quite a bit 340 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,719 Speaker 2: in our preview shows leading up to the draft that 341 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: Lucas van Ness, the edge rusher from Iowa, was was 342 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 2: a potential, a very strong candidate for the Packers to 343 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 2: select in the middle of the first round. And sure 344 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 2: enough he was there and the Packers took him. And 345 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: this is this is a young man. I'll say this. 346 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 2: It he's twenty one years old. He's going to turn 347 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: twenty two just before the start of training camp. He 348 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 2: really only played two years at Iowa. I don't want 349 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 2: to hear all this stuff about how he didn't start 350 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: any games or whatever. It's like, Come on, the kid 351 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: played a ton of football, all right. The whole starting 352 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: thing was just because of Iowa's you know, procedure with 353 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 2: their fifty year seniors and their veteran players and all that. 354 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 2: Lucas van Ness was a star on a really good 355 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: Iowa defense. Okay, So I don't want to hear this 356 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 2: about the not starting games. But this pick feels a 357 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 2: lot to me like the Rashaan Gary pick from a 358 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 2: few years ago. A young guy who the Packers believe 359 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 2: has not reached his potential at all, who has lined 360 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 2: up both inside and outside, as far as along the 361 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: defensive front and getting after the passer. The biggest difference here, 362 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 2: in my opinion, with the van s pick versus the 363 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: Gary pick, is Gary was chosen right after the Packers 364 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 2: had just signed Zadarius and Preston Smith to be the 365 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 2: starting out linebackers. Lucas van Ness is coming in at 366 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 2: a time that the Packers don't know when Rashawon Gary 367 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: is going to be back. You have Preston Smith on 368 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 2: the one edge. This is a young man who could 369 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 2: come in and start right away. That was not the 370 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 2: expectation for Rashaon Gary. It very well could end up 371 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 2: being the expectation for van Ness. 372 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. I've never really seen a situation like this before, Mike, 373 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 3: where you have a rookie that's coming in that could 374 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 3: potentially be playing right off the bat, I mean at 375 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 3: the edge rushing position. I mean, even to go back 376 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 3: and think about Clay Matthews, I mean Aaron Campman was 377 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 3: also kind of you know peer, you know, earmarked for 378 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 3: that outside rusher position. Clay was not a guy that 379 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 3: they even necessarily thought about that Nick Perry, you had 380 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 3: Mike Neil and certainly as you talked about with the 381 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 3: Smith bros. In Rashaan Gary. 382 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, Clay Matthews, I don't think. I don't think he 383 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 2: started until like his fourth or fifth NFL game. He 384 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 2: was not a starter the first month of the season 385 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: his rookie year. 386 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's it. It is a process. But in 387 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 3: this case with Vaness, it makes so much sense. And 388 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 3: I talked a lot about you know my head going 389 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 3: with my heart with that first round pick. Certainly, as 390 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 3: I've talked about numerous times, JSN was my heart. But 391 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 3: in my head it's always about tackles and edge rushers 392 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 3: for the Packers. In the first round, you just don't 393 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 3: find that type of talent that separates itself from the 394 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 3: rest of its position, quite like outside rusher and quite 395 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 3: like tackle. Why because they're the ones that are most 396 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 3: directly tied to the quarterback, pressuring the quarterback and protecting them. 397 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 3: And Lucas Vaness where he really benefited last year mic 398 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 3: as everybody's so tied up on this starting business, is 399 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 3: the fact that he was able to put tape out 400 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 3: there against Paris Johnson, he was able to put tape 401 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 3: out there against Peter Skronsky, and it is impressive. This 402 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 3: isn't some kid that just got a bunch of TFLs 403 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 3: and pressures and sacks against you know so and so from. 404 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: The directional states of the world. 405 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't like it was just the fill 406 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 3: in non conference games. This guy did it the big 407 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 3: ten level six five, two seventy two at twenty one 408 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 3: years old. That is a kid with big pause man 409 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 3: and I'm excited to see him grow into the spot. 410 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 3: You can play him early on if you need to, 411 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 3: in that rotation with Kingsley Andigbari and Justin Hollins. Later on, 412 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 3: if Rashan Gary comes back, you can maybe push him inside. 413 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 3: A lot of flexibility in how Lucas Vansu could affect 414 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 3: this defense. 415 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you mentioned, you know, as the with the 416 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: Packers sitting in the middle of the first round, and 417 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: we had talked last week about you know, it's probably 418 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 2: as much as there's been all to talk about the 419 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 2: receivers and the tight ends, it's probably going to be 420 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 2: you know, a bigger guy in edge rusher or an 421 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 2: offensive tackle. And I have to give you credit because 422 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 2: we didn't mention this in the review of the offense. 423 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 2: You had said on our one of our draft preview 424 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 2: shows that if the Packers are going to get an 425 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 2: offensive tackle, you probably get one right away in the 426 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 2: first round. But if you don't get one of those 427 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 2: guys right away in the first round, then maybe you 428 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 2: don't even bother Because the Packers are bringing back thirteen 429 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 2: offensive lineman from last year's roster and practice squad, which 430 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 2: is an unprecedented number of guys coming back, and sure 431 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 2: enough what happened. The one position the Packers did not 432 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: address was offensive line. The top tackles. You know, I 433 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 2: believe three of the top four tackles were gone by 434 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 2: the time the Packers were ready to pick. They decided 435 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 2: to go with edge rusher and van Ness and then 436 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 2: the offensive tackles they just let it go from there. 437 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 2: It made sense from a strategic standpoint. That being said, 438 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 2: I will also say that I think one of the 439 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 2: things I said on one of our draft preview shows 440 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 2: with regard to the defensive line is this felt like 441 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 2: a draft where the Packers were going to have to 442 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: find some potential prospects on the third day on the 443 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 2: defensive line because of the edge rusher, the receiver, the 444 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 2: tight end, and the spots that you were probably going 445 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 2: to address on the first two days in terms of 446 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 2: the guys at the top of those positions. And sure enough, 447 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: Colby wooden't from Auburn is drafted in the fourth round, 448 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 2: and then Carl Brooks from Bowling Green in the sixth round, 449 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 2: a couple of Day three defensive line prospects that frankly 450 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 2: West are really really intriguing because Colby Wooden he he 451 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: dropped down into the two seventies weight wise for the 452 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: combine and he was able to actually crack four. I 453 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: think he cracked four eight. He was in the four 454 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 2: to sevens in the forty. But he basically plays, you know, 455 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 2: he plays in like the mid two eighties and and 456 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 2: sounds like he has the he has the frame to 457 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 2: uh to carry that and possibly a little bit more 458 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 2: and it got uh. You know, Carl Brooks from Bowling 459 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,479 Speaker 2: Green three hundred pounds and his last year at Bowling 460 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 2: Green eighteen tackles for loss, ten ten sacks among that bunch. 461 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 2: As as an interior defensive lineman. Those are those are 462 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 2: some numbers that are that are pretty impressive. Now, obviously 463 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 2: doing that in the MAC is not the same as 464 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 2: doing that and maybe the big ten of the SEC 465 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 2: because of the offensive lineman across from you. And that's 466 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 2: why a guy like Carl Books with those numbers, you know, 467 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 2: lasts until the sixth round. Both of those guys for 468 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 2: a Packers defensive line that lost Dean Lowry and Jaron 469 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 2: Reid in free agency and you're trying to rebuild some 470 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 2: depth there. I think those are two really really interesting prospects. 471 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, because they don't do what the guys that are 472 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 3: coming back do. You know you had TJ. Slayton as 473 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 3: your run stuffer from two years ago. You need him 474 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 3: to play that one tech role you had DeVante Why 475 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 3: coming in sort of filling the shoes there having that prototype. 476 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 3: Much like Kenny Clark, you need to add some more versatility, 477 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 3: a little bit more different looks, I think to that 478 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 3: defensive front. They very much did that with these two prospects. 479 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 3: If I can really quickly just diving into Brooks for 480 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 3: a second, one thing that I want to give lance 481 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 3: Erline a shout out from NFL dot com on this 482 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 3: because I really enjoyed his write up on Brooks. You know, 483 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 3: he said, there's going to be a lot of people 484 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 3: might because you just alluded to that, are gonna kind 485 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 3: of knock him a little bit for a while. He 486 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 3: went up against the Mac. He said that would be 487 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 3: a mistake if you look at this kid's film, and 488 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 3: mil Hendrickson also touched on this and many times he 489 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 3: was a man amongst boys. He dominated at that level 490 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 3: and he did it for five years. Mike, this is 491 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 3: the guy that led Bowling Green four times in sacks, 492 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 3: including his true freshman year. The only year he didn't 493 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 3: was his junior season when they only played five games 494 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 3: because of COVID and he heard his foot and was 495 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 3: out for two of them, and he still had two 496 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 3: sacks and three games. This is a really intriguing guy. 497 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 3: And to correct myself earlier, when I was talking about 498 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 3: edge rushers in twenty twelve, it was Nick Perry and 499 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,239 Speaker 3: Eric Walden, not Mike Neil. I want to bring up 500 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 3: Neil though, because Neil's kind of reminds me a little 501 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 3: bit of what they're doing with wood and two. These 502 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 3: guys that are probably a little bit more athlete than 503 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 3: your traditional stereotypical linemen. These guys, I mean, you've seen 504 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 3: some of these videos of Wooden and even just kind 505 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 3: of looking at him, he's a grown man. I mean, 506 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 3: this guy is an athlete, and I'm very excited to see, 507 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 3: you know, Jerry Montgomery getting two talented players that have 508 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 3: very contrasting skill sets, but yet could both still be 509 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 3: factors in the middle of that defensive line. Just the 510 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 3: type of moves you need to make again, like tight end. 511 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 3: They graduated a lot of snaps off this team with 512 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 3: Lowery and Reid leaving in free agency, they got two 513 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 3: guys that could potentially step in and help fill those roles. 514 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 515 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 2: I mean anytime anytime you see solid sack numbers from 516 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 2: an interior rushing position, it's got to catch your eye. 517 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 2: And as I said with Brooks, it was in the 518 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 2: MAC at Bowling Green, but he had ten of them. 519 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 2: And you're talking Wooden at Auburn that's in the SEC 520 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 2: and he had six, I mean a half a dozen 521 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 2: sacks in a league like that. When when you're rushing 522 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 2: from an interior position and not off the edge, that's 523 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 2: that says you're you're a disruptor, you know, on the inside, 524 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 2: And that's what that's what the Packers are hoping that 525 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 2: these two young men can become for their defensive line 526 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 2: as well. 527 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll just mention really quickly on Brooks if 528 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 3: people want to talk about that at Bowling Breen's. But 529 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 3: this kid was he was the focal point. Everybody's attention 530 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 3: was on him. It's not like Bowling Green had this 531 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 3: huge dominant defense. He was the guy you had to stop. 532 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 3: And yet most teams in the MAC could not do that. 533 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. 534 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 2: In the seventh round on the defensive side, a couple 535 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 2: of picks in the secondary, Carrington Valentine from Kentucky Anthony 536 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 2: Johnson Junior from Iowa State. Valentine a cornerback, Johnson Junior 537 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 2: a safety, but a converted cornerback who in his fifth 538 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 2: year for the Cyclones in Ames Iowa, converted to safety. 539 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 2: These these are seventh round picks that that qualify as 540 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 2: as value selections WES because there are a lot of analysts, 541 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 2: not saying everybody, but a lot of analysts had both 542 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 2: of these guys rated as going much much earlier in 543 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 2: the draft than they did, and the Packers picked up 544 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 2: both of them in the seventh round. Obviously, the Packers 545 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 2: have quite a bit more depth in terms of in 546 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 2: terms of proven players who have starred to you know, 547 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 2: log the snaps and all that at cornerback than they 548 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 2: do at safety. So Johnson Junior maybe will have, you know, 549 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 2: a larger chance to compete for a bigger role on 550 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 2: defense right away. But then you also see both of 551 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 2: these prospects potentially helping out on special teams because they 552 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 2: you know, they play that position and have the body 553 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 2: type and the speed and all that to help in 554 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 2: that phase. 555 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 3: First off, just starting quickly on Valentine because I'll tell 556 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 3: you this, Mike, you had to use a pick on him, 557 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 3: because if he was going to be an undrafted free agent, 558 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure mel Kuiper would have just given him 559 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 3: money and signed him himself. I mean, he was that 560 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 3: high on the kid. I get it, he had one 561 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 3: interception in college. But as he said, he's a pressman corner. 562 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 3: I mean that's his style. He watched JayR Alexander a lot. 563 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 3: I mean that he is the type of guy that 564 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 3: he wants to take away aside of the field. He 565 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 3: doesn't just want to have get thrown at every single 566 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 3: time and get all these picks. That's the type of 567 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 3: style he plays. He came out at twenty one years 568 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 3: old because he feels like he's still He was ready 569 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 3: for it, and I'm excited to see the young man 570 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 3: come in here because I think if the Packers did 571 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 3: have a need at cornerback, it was as perimeter base. 572 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 3: They have a lot of guys who can play the slot, 573 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 3: but with Eric Stokes still coming back from that knee 574 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 3: and ankle injury, they needed some young prospects on the perimeter. 575 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 3: I'll tell you this, Mike, you didn't get a chance 576 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 3: to jump on the call. You were working on a 577 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 3: wrap up story. But Anthony Johnson Junior, when I heard him, 578 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 3: I closed my eyes. I heard Micah Hyde in his voice, 579 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 3: and I don't know how he's going to play. I'm 580 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 3: not comparing him to a two time All Pro safety, 581 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 3: but he has a confidence in a leadership about him 582 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 3: that it grabs you through the conference call. Sixty two games, 583 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 3: a school record, fifty four starts. He was ready last 584 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,239 Speaker 3: year to turn pro three and a half years as 585 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 3: a starting cornerback, but he didn't have a pick. And 586 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 3: the thing was as Matt Campbell, Iowa States coach, went 587 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 3: to him and they are as tight as tight can 588 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 3: be in terms of coach and player relationships. And he 589 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 3: said to him, listen, I'm talking to scouts around the league. 590 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 3: There are a lot of people in the National Football 591 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 3: League that think you are as safety. I want you 592 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 3: to come back. I want you to lead our defense. 593 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 3: I want you to play that position. And Johnson agreed, 594 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,479 Speaker 3: and it was the right move for him. And as 595 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 3: he said, instead of going to the NFL, maybe forcing 596 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,239 Speaker 3: your hand and having to learn a new position at 597 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 3: that level, he wanted the opportunity to actually do that 598 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 3: at the college level and develop his skills. His pay 599 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 3: for that was a second team All Big Twelve selection. 600 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 3: He got his first two interceptions of his career, a 601 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 3: career high sixty tackles, and this guy now is coming 602 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 3: too the league. He said he always wanted to play quarterback. Well, 603 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 3: when he went and played safety, he started to finally 604 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 3: give taste of what that feels like. 605 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I want to mention the kicker Andrews Carlson, 606 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 2: the Packers drafted out of Auburn in the sixth round. 607 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 2: I mentioned him right now because I kind of want 608 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 2: to make an overarching point about a few competitions that 609 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 2: we're going to see evolve here. I already mentioned with 610 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 2: regard to Sean Clifford and Danny Ettling. At quarterback, Brian 611 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 2: Gudakutz not necessarily shutting the door on bringing in a 612 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 2: veteran quarterback at some point, but he wants to see 613 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 2: how those guys do through you know, through OTAs and 614 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 2: and and how that competition develops. It's very much the 615 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 2: same scenario, so to speak. I think at safety, Anthony 616 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 2: Johnson Junior comes in the only new addition to the 617 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 2: safety competition for who's going to start next to Darnell Savage. 618 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 2: Rudy Ford would probably be the favorite in the clubhouse 619 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 2: right now. The Packers also signed to various more from 620 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 2: San Francisco as a free agent. You also have Innis 621 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 2: Gains and down Levitt there now Johnson gets thrown into 622 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 2: the mix. Adrian Amos is still out there as an 623 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 2: unsigned free agent. Brian Goudakun said, not necessarily going to 624 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 2: you know, going to slam that door shut, but the 625 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 2: Packers are going to see how the competition evolves. The 626 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 2: third one in sort of that group is the is kicker. 627 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 2: You now have Anders Carlson from Auburn, a six round 628 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 2: draft pick to compete with Parker White, who is undrafted 629 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 2: out of South Carolina a year ago, and the Packers 630 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 2: added him to the roster right after the regular season 631 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 2: ended last year. Mason Crosby is still out there again 632 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 2: it you know, Brian Gudokun says, hey, we're not We're 633 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 2: not completely closing the door, but the Packers are going 634 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 2: to see how these competitions develop and evolve through the spring, 635 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 2: through OTA's mandatory mini camp in June, all of that, 636 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 2: and then assess the situations. Now obviously there's a risk 637 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 2: that Mason Crosby could sign somewhere else in the meantime, 638 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 2: that Adrian Amos could sign somewhere else in the meantime, 639 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 2: that the veteran quarterbacks that maybe fit, you know, the 640 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 2: salary cap situation the Packers are in, they might sign 641 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 2: somewhere else in the meantime. So there's risk in taking 642 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 2: this approach, But at the same time, it does speak 643 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 2: to the confidence that Brian Gudokunz and his personnel staff 644 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 2: have in these moves that they've made and the players 645 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 2: that they brought in. They think they think they've got 646 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 2: what they need here without having to bring back those 647 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 2: veteran guys that that they know exactly what they're going 648 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 2: to get when they walk in the door. 649 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they'll get a taste of it right away, Mike, 650 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 3: between rookie orientation camp, between OTAs, they'll get a feel 651 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 3: for where these players are at and where they potentially 652 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 3: may need to add down the line. The thing I 653 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 3: like about Andres Carlson and also you're talking about Tynan 654 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 3: in the competition. Also Tynan, guys that had really stand 655 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 3: out seasons during college but maybe didn't quite end their 656 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 3: college careers on a high note when you talk about Nichols, 657 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 3: when you talk about Wis and in Carl's situated, Carlson 658 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 3: situation too. This young man had a fantastic junior season, 659 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 3: but then it goes and tears the ACL last year 660 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 3: he has the shoulder injury. He actually kicked on his 661 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 3: plant foot with a brace last season. That's not ideal 662 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 3: for a kicker, but it's you know, everyone takes that 663 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 3: pretty seriously at the college level. But six foot five, 664 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 3: two hundred and nineteen pounds. We know what his brother 665 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 3: has done in the league now, a two time All Pro. 666 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 3: He has the digit genetics for this. And as much 667 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 3: as I love Jake Moody and I am a huge 668 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 3: fan of his, I think he's going to have a 669 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 3: great career. Taking a third round kicker in the third round, 670 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 3: like the forty nine ers did, is a dangerous proposition, 671 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 3: not because even the pressure you put on the kid, 672 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 3: it's also the pressure you put on yourself as an organization. 673 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 3: You can't cut a third round pick. He has to 674 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 3: be the guy. And if you do have to bring 675 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,919 Speaker 3: in another kicker, are you necessarily going to also cut 676 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 3: the guy that you just spent that type of draft 677 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 3: pick on it's tough to do same thing with New 678 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 3: England going and getting the Maryland kid in the fourth round. 679 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 3: The sixth round has been a sweet spot for the Packers. 680 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 3: A kicker the eleventh time they've taken one. Very interested 681 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 3: to see how this young man does. And certainly the 682 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 3: competition now that we'll see probably throughout OTA's and is 683 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 3: the Packers try to figure out this next step at 684 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 3: what has been an iconic for position for them. When 685 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 3: you look at Mason Crosby, Ryan Longwell, Chris Jackie, I 686 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 3: mean to have that type of stretch. We talk about 687 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 3: quarterbacks so often, but the remarkable players the Packers have 688 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,439 Speaker 3: had a kicker, considering the elements here in Green Bay, 689 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 3: it really cannot go overstated. 690 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it was interesting seeing the selection of Carlson, 691 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 2: you know, immediately looking up the information on him, it's like, oh, yeah, 692 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 2: of course he is the younger brother of Daniel Carlson, 693 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 2: who I hadn't remembered this but had also kicked at Auburn. 694 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: So Auburn's had. 695 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 2: Basically like nineteen years ten and I was gonna say ten, 696 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 2: but nine years with with with A Carlson as the kicker. 697 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 2: But was what was interesting to me is hearing Brian 698 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 2: gudukuns you know really, you know, essentially hand this pick off. 699 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 2: So to speak to the influence of Rich Bassacia, the 700 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 2: Packers special teams coordinator and now assistant head coach. We saw, 701 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 2: we saw the influence that Basaci had in how the 702 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 2: Packers rebuilt the special teams last year with the acquisitions, 703 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 2: with bringing guys in like dal Levitt, like Keishawn Nixon 704 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 2: and guys that he guys that he had worked with, 705 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 2: and obviously that there was a solid turnaround in the 706 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 2: special team's phase. And then Rich Bassaccia gets, you know, 707 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 2: the additional title in the offseason, and now here the 708 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 2: faith that the Packers are showing where it's like, hey, 709 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 2: the statistics of this, you know, this Carlson kicker is 710 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 2: last couple of years in college. They're not that great whatever, 711 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 2: and Bisacia believes in them from what we heard from 712 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 2: Brian Gudacuntz, and that's what gave Gutakunz the courage to 713 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 2: make this pick when a lot of people are just 714 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 2: going to look at the numbers and go, you know, 715 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 2: why would you take a college kicker who missed you 716 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 2: know ten twelve kicks his last two seasons when he 717 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 2: had the one really really good year before he got hurt. 718 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 3: And all that. 719 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 2: So we're continue My point is we're continuing to see 720 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 2: the influence of Rich Bisacia on special teams here, and 721 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 2: the Packers are going to see what these kickers, Carlson 722 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 2: and White, what they have and see if it truly 723 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 2: is time to move on from Mason Crosby. The franchise 724 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 2: is all time leading scorer. 725 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 3: One thing that is very important to illustrate is I 726 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 3: think when you look at both scouting and coaching, I 727 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 3: don't know if there's a more difficult position. People put 728 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 3: so many eyes on quarterback, and for good reason, it's 729 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 3: the money position. There are no certain things with kickers. 730 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 3: We saw it a number of years ago with the 731 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 3: second round pick that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers used. These guys, 732 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 3: it's gonna be an EBB and flow league. And I 733 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 3: think Carlson's a perfect example that the older Carlson. You know, 734 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 3: Daniel Carlson's a fifth round pick. He goes to Minnesota. 735 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 3: He has a couple of bad games, including one against 736 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 3: the Packers. 737 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, the one here at Lamba was when he lost 738 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 2: his job with the Vikings, and then that's what obviously 739 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 2: leads to him landing in Oakland and he works with 740 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 2: Rich Bisaccia and become becomes an All Pro kicker, and 741 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 2: then Bisachi gets to know the younger brother and now 742 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 2: that younger brother is is with Bisaci here in Green Bay. 743 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's one thing to be an all Pro, 744 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 3: I should say, an All American. But and you give 745 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,959 Speaker 3: credit to Daniel Carlson for picking himself up and making 746 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 3: him into the player that he is today. But it 747 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 3: takes someone like Rich Bissaci to have some faith in him, 748 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 3: and obviously the Raiders to bring a kid like that 749 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 3: in and give him a shot after things didn't end 750 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 3: so well in Minnesota. So there is so much projection 751 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 3: involved because unless you are you know, a Justin Tucker 752 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 3: or Mason Crosby where you just have this prodigious run 753 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 3: in college, guys are going to miss field goals. It 754 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 3: just happens. I mean, it is a tough thing to 755 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 3: kick in college, let alone the National Football League. So 756 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 3: I just I like the pick up in terms of 757 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 3: being able to finally make that investment the first time 758 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 3: in sixteen years. The Green Bay Packers have drafted a kicker. Again. 759 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 3: We'll see how things go. It's much different kicking in 760 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 3: Green Bay than it is in Auburn or it is 761 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 3: in South Carolina. So you know, you take these things 762 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 3: as they come, but certainly they got a real nice 763 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 3: prospect in that position for Rich Basaci to start his 764 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 3: work with. 765 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it. 766 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 2: Well, we've gone a little bit beyond our normal length. 767 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: Of show, so this is becoming the new normal. 768 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 3: Mic. 769 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I know now that now that we're not 770 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 2: in the same room together, and you know, we're trying 771 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 2: to we're trying to figure out the new rhythm here 772 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 2: while while we have. 773 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,359 Speaker 1: The technical issues. But that being said, we will call 774 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. 775 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 2: We'll talk more about the draft, view more things with 776 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 2: the draft on our second show later this week, so 777 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,959 Speaker 2: be sure to tune in for that. But for now, 778 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,720 Speaker 2: for Wes, I am Mike. Thank you for tuning in, everybody, 779 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,399 Speaker 2: and we will see you next time.