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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephman

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Speaker 1: Never told you production of I Heart Radio. Today. We're

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Speaker 1: so excited to be joined by a very special guest

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Speaker 1: ar didn't marine. Hi, Yas, how are you. I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited to be on your podcast. Oh, We're so excited

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Speaker 1: to have you. We were just discussing your pretty awesome recordings.

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Speaker 1: Really a professional setup, which again puts ours to shape.

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Speaker 1: I'm literally in a dining room, like I mean, I

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Speaker 1: love design. I'm like I I bought my first house,

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Speaker 1: expensive that I so I designed. I love design. I

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Speaker 1: would have designed it anyway, but I design contract at

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Speaker 1: the house. And there's like a little stand alone garage

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Speaker 1: that I turned into a podcast studio, and so I

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Speaker 1: rather than put like egg crates up, I figured out

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Speaker 1: fabric on like a discount fabric site that makes it

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Speaker 1: has its quirks, but on a on a dry day

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Speaker 1: and spectacular on the dry days. Well, that probably wouldn't

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Speaker 1: work so well in Atlanta, but I bet it works

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Speaker 1: much better in l A yes story, I'm just having

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Speaker 1: spent time in Atlanta. You're absolutely correct about that. I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking of was your time in Atlanta? Yeah? Can you

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Speaker 1: introduce yourself and tell our listeners where they can find

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Speaker 1: you or may where they know you from already probably

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Speaker 1: you got it. My name's Artam Marine. I'm in act or,

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Speaker 1: I'm a comedian, I'm an author, and I'm a podcast host.

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Speaker 1: People know me from. I played Regina st Clair on Insatiable,

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Speaker 1: which was on Netflix, which I filmed for two seasons

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Speaker 1: And then I was on Shameless for a year. I

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Speaker 1: was on that TV for four years. I did over

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Speaker 1: little Miss Little Compton, available worldwide in all forms, that

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Speaker 1: just came out this year. And then I am a

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Speaker 1: podcast host of one podcast, and I have another one

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Speaker 1: that's about to come out. It's also on I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: It is called Will You Accept This Rose, And it

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Speaker 1: is a Bachelor recap podcast that I do with other

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Speaker 1: comedians who are super fans that we don't hate watch it,

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Speaker 1: no spoilers. We want them to find love, and we

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Speaker 1: also about to release a new I Heart Radio podcast

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Speaker 1: called Lady of the Road, where my co host is

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Speaker 1: Julianne Robinson, who is one of the executive producers of Brierton.

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Speaker 1: And then she actually directed the pilot and she directed

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Speaker 1: Sexy six, Episode six, which is the Honeymoon sex Best

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Speaker 1: first guest is Joan Jet. Our second guest is Lady

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Speaker 1: to just mention I was once in a vampire short

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Speaker 1: film called Insatiable Way to Play. I was the roommate

430
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Speaker 1: who was moving into this vampire's house and being like,

431
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Speaker 1: I think there's something up with this lady. I think

432
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: she might be Did you get killed? Do you get killed? No?

433
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: Actually the ending is really fun because I was supposed

434
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: to get killed, but money and time things happened that

435
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: they changed the ending so that I actually like, hear

436
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: this guy scream And one of her rules was never

437
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: coming to my room, And so I get up and

438
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe I should go check it out, and

439
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: then I say this and it ends so I don't

440
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: go in there. She doesn't kill me. That's good, thank you.

441
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 1: I just want to put that out there. It is available.

442
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: Back to what you said earlier about like podcasting is

443
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: such a it can be such a personal medium. And

444
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: when my dad died, I had just had so many

445
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: complicated things, and I also thought it was going to

446
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: be a relief, and I was kind of like, what

447
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: is this? Why am I not more relieved? Because I

448
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 1: would tell friends like I will be relieved when he died.

449
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: I've been praying for it since, like great. I remember

450
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: even like if he just died, then everybody would know

451
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 1: I was in pain, and then I like it be,

452
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: it would be uncomplicated, you know. That was my little

453
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: child brain and it's like, no, it's not like that.

454
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: It's not a free there's no free paths. And I

455
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: remember I too, kept podcasting through that, and then we

456
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 1: did an episode on forgiveness, and then recently we revisited

457
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: it because through this time, when and listeners have gotten

458
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: to like, hear me go work through this. And I

459
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: did forgive my my dad, which is something thing I

460
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: never ever ever thought I would do and I didn't

461
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: try to do. And as we always say, forgiveness is

462
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: not you don't owe it to anybody, um, but going

463
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: through that and having people listen to it and share

464
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: their their experiences and even if they haven't lost a

465
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: parent or if they don't have complicated relationships, you can

466
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: still connect to that kind of stuff. And I I'm

467
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: curious what your experience. You've kind of talked about it

468
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: a little bit, But I feel like for me, as

469
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: a woman in entertainment, there was and a lot of

470
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: this was me doing it, putting this pressure on myself.

471
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: There is this pressure to be like authentic and open

472
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: and vulnerable. But sometimes those emotions like you haven't worked

473
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: through that yet, and like it feels kind of dangerous

474
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: or something like like you're doing it because you think, oh,

475
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: this will be good content, and you know, you're not

476
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: thinking about yourself and what's good for you. So I

477
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,239
Speaker 1: don't know if you have any experience with that. Was

478
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: almost as if I had to be like it's fine,

479
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 1: I'm fine, you know what I mean. Like I didn't

480
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: want to make my coworkers uncomfortable, and so I felt

481
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: like I had to just because I didn't really know them,

482
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, And so there was something about having to

483
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: and I you know, look, people say crazy things too.

484
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: I mean I remember when my mom died, there was

485
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: a person at work who asked how I was doing.

486
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm okay, like just okay. I was like, yeah,

487
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm okay, and they're like, what's wrong? And I said, well,

488
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: my mom died two weeks ago, and the person said, well,

489
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: there's been two weeks. This person is forever the it's

490
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: been two weeks for Shure, I, myself, my friends and

491
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: I that's information. So like although the rest of my coworkers,

492
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: you know, a lot a lot of them, it's interesting

493
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: who shows up and who's like who's not scared of it?

494
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: Like you know, Debbie Ryan, who was the lead on

495
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: the show. She was so wonderful and she actually ended

496
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: up writing the foreword from my book, and like you

497
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: just you know, here this young lady who was like

498
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: a Disney star, like who would have ever? Like this

499
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: was the person that I would go get tacos with him.

500
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: We would go like get scooters and right through the

501
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: park and we'd go. You know, it was, um, you

502
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: just never know, and then I do. I do know.

503
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: You know, in this Instagram world where you're supposed to

504
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: or you think you're I mean, you know in your

505
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: brain you can go, oh my am, I supposed to

506
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: put my bleeding art on the page. There's the New

507
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: England side of me that was like zip your lip,

508
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: don't tell anybody. It's like always this dance of you know,

509
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: because for a while you are not okay, and and

510
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: it is like a fine line of kind to be

511
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: authentic about that. Well also like you're basically like running

512
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: a marathon and like stitching yourself up midstream and shocked,

513
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: like kind of tell tell people, you know, like hey,

514
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: there's a lady injured in this lane, and also like no, no,

515
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. I'm fine, I'm fine, don't mind

516
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: the stitches in the blood, like I'm fine, I'm fine.

517
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: So it's like you don't want to like it was

518
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: a fine line of being authentic and then also not

519
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: wanting to terrify people, like yeah, and I feel like

520
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: for me, and we've Samantha and I have talked about

521
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: this at length. We just did an episode called dead

522
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: Inside as I felt like I wasn't sad enough, like

523
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: on the other side of that, people were like, oh,

524
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: you're not You're not sad enough. And the day after

525
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: my dad died, I went to the surprise birthday party

526
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: because I was the person who was supposed to spring

527
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: the surprise, and everyone was like, why the hell are

528
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: you here? And yeah, and I still feel guilt about that.

529
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: I feel weird about it, but I was kind of

530
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: almost in a number you leave your blood. I mean

531
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: there's no shout, you know, trust me, I think I did.

532
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 1: It's like, well, that's on my calendar, like it like

533
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: that's what I'm gonna tell. The day after my mom died,

534
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: I was stuck in Atlanta. There was like an ice storm.

535
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't get to Rhode Island. So I was like, well,

536
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: I have tickets for a soccer game. I'm gonna go

537
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 1: to this. I went to the soccer game and then

538
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: I bumped into this friend of mine who's like an

539
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: executive an adult swim. She was there, She's like, how

540
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: are you. I'm like, not good, Like my mom died yesterday,

541
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: and you can see on her face like why are

542
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: you at this soccer But I'm like I didn't know

543
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: what else to do. Like you, you know, the first

544
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, you're just crazy. You're just like it's crazy, Like, well,

545
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: I had the tickets, so I bought them. I'm going

546
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: to this pub game. I'm d I'm sorry. You're like, yeah,

547
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the things, and just again,

548
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: I haven't lost a parent. My whole view is completely

549
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 1: different working on the outside, but I know any had

550
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: told me, and I'm guessing as you as a comedian

551
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: in general, this level of being seen as not only

552
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: the dutiful daughters therefore you have to handle things and

553
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: be the responsible one, but also secondly, like it's almost

554
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: a level of expectation of entertainment, like, yeah, you're grieving,

555
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: are you going to entertain in us? And any you

556
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: have that whole story of being paid twenty dollars because

557
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: you entertain your niece or nephew or not or nephew

558
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: a cousin. You have a cousin during the funeral or

559
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: during the like sitting there because you were able to

560
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 1: keep this kid entertained, And they're like, oh, we're so impressed.

561
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of expectation, especially if you're an entertainer,

562
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: especially and he's an entertainer. He is in this world

563
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: as well being thought of as that you are an entertainer.

564
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: So why aren't you using your grief to entertain us?

565
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: What is that kind of pressure? I can't imagine what

566
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: that even looks like. I mean, I see that I

567
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: am my own in so many areas, whether my life

568
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: is on fire or not, even like the best of times,

569
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: I am so my own worst taskmaster, and I am

570
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: so often the one who pushes myself too hard. I

571
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: am the one who will go, yeah, I should be fine,

572
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: I could do that. I'll sign up for that. I'm

573
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: gonna do that. And remember doing stand up in Atlanta

574
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: shortly after my dad died. I went and was like,

575
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm not do stand up again. So I did a

576
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: couple of shows at the Laughing Skull that went well,

577
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: and then I had was one horrible night where like

578
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: everyone from the cast came to see it. Alissa Milano

579
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: was there, like with her husband, like rancy A, her parents,

580
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: the show runner from Insane. It was just not my night.

581
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: It just was not a good night. And it was

582
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: like and I realized too soon, Like I realized I

583
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: can't do stand up right now because it's too vulnerable.

584
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't have a bomb in me. However,

585
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean the baby gets from out the bath water.

586
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: Like Okay, what can I do? I can do my podcast.

587
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: The podcast is safe. I hand pick who's on we're

588
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: talking about the Bachelor. It's more authentic. I can be

589
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: real about what's happening. I think, you know, it's just

590
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: picking and choosing. It's like I feel like all of

591
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: life so much is an experiment of like, Okay, I

592
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: try it, it could have you know, you go and

593
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: then you know it could have been great not for

594
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: me right now, like and but yeah, I think, particularly

595
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: in work situations when people are used to you being funny,

596
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: I think my go to is often, you know, my therapist.

597
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: And I remember because I got I actually got this

598
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: really nice lady. I hadn't been in therapy in years.

599
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: And then when my mom died season two, I was like, well,

600
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: I can't do this again, Like I'm like the girl

601
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: cried wolf, like this just happened. Like so I was like,

602
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna tell I'm gonna so I found

603
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: this wonderful lady indicator who I actually still go to

604
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: via zoom. I just loved her. But she was saying

605
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: how and I think this is me as an entertainer,

606
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: but also just me as a lady raised in my house,

607
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: which is the instinct is to go the equivalent of

608
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: like learning how to not go the house burned down,

609
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: and then trying not to say, don't worry, everyone's fine,

610
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: like trying to comfort the person to like take the

611
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: blow off of my own bad news because people don't

612
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: know what to do with it, just letting it go.

613
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: Sometimes not everyone's fine, like just going the house burned down,

614
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: Like my instinct is to care for I don't want

615
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: to freak anybody out with bad news, learning how to

616
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: de zip it and not do the second thing of

617
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: like IM don't worry, it's fine, all right, It's like

618
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: are you Annie? What did you? Is fine with that? Yeah,

619
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: it's It's interesting because I also had a series of

620
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: kind of tragedies in a row, and I thought I

621
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: had a similar like people aren't even gonna believe this

622
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: is real anymore. Yeah, this is ridiculous. And I did

623
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: and still do struggle with that very thing of comforting

624
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: other people, like worrying more about other people first. And

625
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: I do have this reputation which I built um being

626
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: a fun like easy go, I'm going to make your

627
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: day better, like the party, the life of the party,

628
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: and I it's such a big part of my identity,

629
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: and a part of that is being a woman. And

630
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: we also both Samantha and I come from small towns,

631
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: not as small as yours. Mine's pretty small in comparison

632
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: to how big mine you and I may be in

633
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: the running to see whose town is smaller. Yeah, Sa

634
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: l J. Georgia. Oh so you're asking me questions. I

635
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: don't know anymore, but I definitely was. We had one stoplight, yes,

636
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: it got split into two sections for some reason, we

637
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: don't know why. As well as we had the one

638
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: small walmart, and it wasn't until two thousand until I left.

639
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: So I think that two thousands five that they got

640
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Speaker 1: more than two grocery stores. I mean, I think mine smaller.

641
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: We have we have no stoplights, no grocery stores, no chains,

642
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: we have one gender. We only have a general store, okay,

643
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: and then we had a one weird store that we

644
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: went to and then the bigger one came later on

645
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: in my teenage years. We have a coffee shop that's

646
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: a barn, and an apple orchard and um a diner.

647
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: So we didn't have a shop beat back. I'm just saying, yeah, No,

648
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: I think I was was more spread out, So we

649
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,959
Speaker 1: were definitely. Uh, the land was large, but the town

650
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: was teeny tiny. It still is it still is, but yeah,

651
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: we've grown since then. I do think a small town

652
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: makes you like, um, the gift of a small town

653
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: to me is like my mom wanted to move there

654
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: from Rhode Island so that we could learn how to

655
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 1: entertain ourselves and that we weren't overly programmed. My brother

656
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: and I and I think it worked, like learning how

657
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: to sort of daydream like that noodle time, making houses,

658
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 1: rocket ships out of boxes, and climbing trees and that's

659
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: sort of magical noodle time. And then I love I mean,

660
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: television really raised me and just the fun and the

661
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: fantasy of daydreaming of one day when I'd be old

662
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: enough to get out of there. I think it made

663
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: me glad I got to get at it. I mean,

664
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: even though it's like the prettiest place on Earth, I'm like,

665
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: I gotta got to go right. Literally, when I was there,

666
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: I could not stand hiking doing any of that because

667
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: I live in a mountain town, so I'm at the

668
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: foothills of Appalachian Mountains, and I didn't do any of

669
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: those things. Didn't camp As I leave and come into

670
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: the city. I put that in quote. Now I'm actually

671
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: going back to my hometown to stay in the capits,

672
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: to go camping and to do the hiking. So yeah,

673
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: it's definitely a whole different experience. I get that I

674
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: get that. Yeah, I feel like related to what we

675
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: were saying earlier though the small town for me and

676
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: and being a woman raised in kind of this like

677
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: southern small town was I did, like I added the

678
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: pressure to be nice and not rock the boat, as

679
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: you say, and not bother people with your less than

680
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: super poppy promotions. But speaking of like coming from a

681
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: small town and leaving it, you started in this industry

682
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: really young without much support, how did you go about

683
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: that as you learn to advocate for yourself, especially as

684
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: a woman in this industry that is changing but has traditionally,

685
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: like most industries and entertainment, not been the best. I mean,

686
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: it's I think, if I really look back on I

687
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: have so much compassion now, I'm like, oh, man, like

688
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: that was gnarly. Some of that stuff was gnarly. Like

689
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: I think at first, you learn how to shape shift,

690
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, you learned how to kind of like ha

691
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: like deflect and like I started in Chicago when I

692
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: was nineteen, I started doing improv there and which was

693
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: a magical, amazing time. And the people there were like

694
00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: it was huge comedy people, but they were pretty much

695
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: all men, you know, And I'd also never been hit

696
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: on more in my life. I'd never I'd never had

697
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: my gender like such an issue. I'd never heard the

698
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: phrase women aren't funny before. But all of that was

699
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: news to me, and I honestly, in the beginning, a

700
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: lot of my way of dealing was just sort of

701
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: cutting and running. It was sort of like I knew

702
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to thrive there, and I'd written a

703
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: lot of plays, like I had already written and directed

704
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: plays in high school and stuff like that, and and

705
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 1: thankfully my mom always was like, you can do anything

706
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: to put your mind to. I'd already had the experience

707
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 1: of like doing well with my own voice, and I

708
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: just thought, I'm not going to thrive in this environment.

709
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: So I left Chicago. But it makes me sad, like

710
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: I felt like looking back now, it makes me sad

711
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: to think there was another young so I was nineteen,

712
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: there was also a nine year old guy that was there,

713
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: Like who did great? And what would it have been

714
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: like to just be treated as sort of like the

715
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: young whiz kid rather than somebody like that was to

716
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: be hit on or something I don't know, And then

717
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: you know, even just I'm having like weird flashes of

718
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: things I just watched Have you guys watched I Hate Susie.

719
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: It's a British show. It's really good. But you know,

720
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: I had I had flashes of a few of my

721
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: first like TV jobs, where one of them I was

722
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: on this improv show and they brought in this guy

723
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: to who it was this sort of big he was

724
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: big in the improv world, and we had to do

725
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: like two weeks of training the whole cast, and every

726
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: scene that I was everybody else just got normal scenes.

727
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: And every scene that I was in was like, okay,

728
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: Arden's a prostitute and she comes in or Arden and

729
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: walks in and her clothes fall off, like every single scene.

730
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: And you know, I grew up. I looked like a

731
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: boy dul I was fifteen. I was sort of like

732
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: barbed from strangers. I mean, it wasn't. It was very

733
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: confusing to me. I don't know, like it's not my

734
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: operating system is one of barbed from strangers, like this

735
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: is here's like this is this me? You know what

736
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: I mean? Like and then like even if it wasn't,

737
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: even if I was like Bridget Bardo, like like, it

738
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: just felt like I just wanted to do improv. You know,

739
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: and then when I got cast on Mad TV, like

740
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: I auditioned with all these quirky characters and then they

741
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: like dyed my hair blond. I was a redhead. And

742
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: I remember like I knew Amy Poehler, who was always

743
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: brilliant and fantastic, and I remember one week we were

744
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: both she was on SNL and I was on Mad TV,

745
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: and I think she was with like Hillary Clinton, And

746
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: it was my very first episode and they made me

747
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: do a sketch with the wonderful, wonderful Fred Willard, who

748
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: I adored but like so I was excited to work

749
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: with him. But I had to be standing in my

750
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: underwear holding a dra a flamelog for no reason. There

751
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: was no reason for me to be in my underwear.

752
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: And remember somebody joking Lee saying, welcome to Mad TV,

753
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: here's your underwear, you know, and it was just like,

754
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, just how did I you know? Just

755
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: I remember making up my mind because I remember seeing

756
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: some of the other women being really understandably upset about

757
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: like understandably, and I remember just being like, Okay, well,

758
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna worry about whether or not I'm funny.

759
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be a bikini model. I'm not

760
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: trying to you know, I'm not trying to be a

761
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: sports illustrated center for like, So I'm just gonna trust

762
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: that I look fine and I'm just gonna worry about

763
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: if I'm funny. But I look back and I would

764
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: like what it would it have been like to be

765
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: like one of the guys and to be able to

766
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 1: just pitch my sketches, you know what I mean? Like that,

767
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: I think it's that was the deal at the time.

768
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: You know, that was just how it was, and I

769
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: don't think there was room to not like. I don't

770
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: know if there would have been a job for me

771
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: to not go along with it, you know. Yeah, I

772
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: think we've talked about that a lot. We've talked about

773
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: the fact that women have had to do what they

774
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: had to do to pull themselves up. I mean, that

775
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: was kind of one of the conversations about Kamala Harris

776
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: and her her not so great records within California and

777
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: her time as being a prosecutor and the d A,

778
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: and the whole level of my conversation is I've been

779
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: working in this system with when it comes to courts

780
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: in this whole idea of criminalization, and we've come a

781
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: long way and understanding this is a really bad system,

782
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: Like that's just the overall arcing. But the fact of

783
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: the matter is you do what you've gotta do in

784
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: a certain level, hopefully in a certain level where in

785
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: order to make it beyond that. So because you're talking

786
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: about something like obviously this is not your sketch, this

787
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: is not something you want to do, is sit and

788
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: half naked with a log that has nothing to do

789
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 1: with with that I admire. And he looked ashamed, like

790
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: even like he didn't look like he wanted to do it.

791
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: He was such a sweet general, like he looked embarrassed

792
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: for me, you know, like this wasn't his pitch, right,

793
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: But that's the thing, is like, that's what that's what

794
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: we're like talking about, is there's the standards and for

795
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: the longest time, again you yourself and many others like, Okay,

796
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: we just have to do this and deal with it.

797
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about Sharon Stone talking about being

798
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: sexually harassed constantly and laughing when they was asked the

799
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: question did you go through this? It's just like I've

800
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: been in this industry. Yeah, that's a stupid question in general.

801
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: But then that's that's kind of like hasn't changed much

802
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: in that industry? Have you seen? It's being changed literally

803
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: very recently, very recently, which is so sad. I think

804
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: I wrote a whole article about it on Refinery twenty,

805
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: like after after Me Too happen, I was very badly

806
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: harassed at a comedy show, like alternative comedy show, you know,

807
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: Like I I think now, whether it's because they have

808
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: to I think now I think people have been put

809
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: on noted like I do think it's changing. I do

810
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: think also there's more women in charge now is starting

811
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: to be I think more women are selling shows now,

812
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: you know. But it's I would say, it's just now

813
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: when I think about what I used to like laugh

814
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: and go along with and what I was sort of okay,

815
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: like you're part of like what I I really respect

816
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: the first women that were like no, you know, Like

817
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: there's a chapter in my book about getting sent to

818
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: a director's hotel room and having him trying to take

819
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: my clothes off and like you know, and and I

820
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: just sort of nervously it's like ha, and think I

821
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: got out of there like nothing happened but but I

822
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: didn't even know that it would have been okay to

823
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: go to HR, and I don't think anything would have happened.

824
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure I would have just been probably. I mean,

825
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,479
Speaker 1: there was a few times I went to HR about

826
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,959
Speaker 1: certain things and they were like they just wanted to like, okay,

827
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: well we'll just get you an apologize, you know, like

828
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: and there was actually something I will say on Insatiable,

829
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: there was something that was said that was really creepy

830
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: and and it's funny to me because I've had so

831
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: many worse things said, but it was like I was

832
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: working with Alissa Milano who was just sort of ignited,

833
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, you know, like this. It was right after

834
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: the Me Too movement started. This thing was said to me,

835
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: and and of all the things that have been said,

836
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: it was really not that bad and compared to things

837
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: over the years, you know, but it just was like

838
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: I was done, you know, and like people were talking

839
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: about it, and I always have delayed reactions. I kept

840
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: thinking about a couple daysily. I'm always so shocked when

841
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: people I started like, you know, okay, like you know,

842
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: and then I kept thinking about it, and I remember

843
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: even running it by a couple of guy friends and

844
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: going is this weird? Like they were like, yeah, that's weird.

845
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: And and then I called one of the producers. I

846
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: didn't know what to do. I called when the producer

847
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I don't want to be a bother,

848
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: you know, like I don't know, this is weird and

849
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: she was like, yeah, that's weird. And I remember they

850
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: immediately called HR and it was still like the people

851
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: pleaser in me was so ingrained. I was so brought

852
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: up to be people pleaser that they called me and

853
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: they wanted to like they treated it, they took it

854
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 1: really seriously. They were really nice, they wanted to like

855
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: and I remember going no, no no, no, no, you know what,

856
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: he probably didn't mean it. I'll call them and they're like, no, no,

857
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: this is our job, like and like this is what

858
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: we do. I'm like, I know, like I and then

859
00:46:55,640 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: actually letting somebody face the consequences of something that I didn't.

860
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: I felt so uncomfortable saying that. I wasn't comfortable, like

861
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: it was so hard for me to set a boundary,

862
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: And in my mind I was shocked at how hard

863
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: it was for me to go, Okay, let me I

864
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: didn't do this. Let me let somebody deal with the

865
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: consequences of what I didn't ask for. I was just

866
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: at work. It was inappropriate. I had a witness who

867
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: was like, you, you know, just just say the facts

868
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: and just let and they let that person go. Right.

869
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: There's so much to that, like just even you explaining

870
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: against say but it wasn't a big deal. But the

871
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: fact that we have to put that caveat on ourselves

872
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: and it is it's so ingrained in us that we're

873
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: going to be told calm down, you know, like something

874
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: like calm down. It's not that big of a deal

875
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: in comparison to And that's kind of one of the

876
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: things that gets us in trouble with ourselves with like

877
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: the ingrained mind of like but it wasn't as bad

878
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: as so instant like this comparison of like how awful

879
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: it has to be to reach it. But this is

880
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: also something that's been taught to us and something that

881
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: has been used against us way too much. And I

882
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: say us as in general women people who are marginalized

883
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: because I honestly, like I will tell you when we

884
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: first talked about doing the interview with you, the memories

885
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: I have Matt TV are all the Asian jokes, and

886
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: I remember Bobby Lee and that specific actress coming in

887
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: with the Asian jokes and me being okay with it

888
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: because I'm actually adopted. So the being the first one

889
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: to make that joke meant everybody was comfortable. I have

890
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: made all the racist people comfortable with me acknowledging I'm

891
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: a minority. We're gonna joke. But this is that ingrained

892
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: level of we have to protect the others because if

893
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: we're uncomfortable, how dare you make other people feel uncomfortable?

894
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: You're up or people are like, oh, I was just joking,

895
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: and it's like, I have a pretty good sense of humor,

896
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: like a roll with a lot. I can roll with

897
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: a lot, like I'm a comedian with guys. I grew up,

898
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: I came up through the nineties in the comedy, like

899
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: I can hang with a lot. If I'm uncomfortable, you

900
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: were gross, Like you were really gross. And that's the thing.

901
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: But that's the other part of that is that more

902
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,479
Speaker 1: often times women are going to be hushed and shut

903
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 1: down and dismissed exactly like, as you said, you left Chicago,

904
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: what would have happened if you, like, I can't do

905
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: this at all. That would have been such an unfortunate

906
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 1: for us as fans of what you do. How awful

907
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: would that be if you didn't exist because you got

908
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: shut down so quickly on you know, I mean, I

909
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 1: think about my dream has always been too I always

910
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: wanted to create my own show. I always wanted to

911
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: be like a Phoebe waller Bridge or like Ray or

912
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: like somebody that makes and like when I when I

913
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: think about, I actually just I wrote an essay about

914
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: this that's going to be an anthology next year about

915
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: like how I written plays. I was a member of

916
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: the writer's Guild. I had written sketches on Mad TV.

917
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: I remember I sold my first pitch and my own

918
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: lit agent was like, well, Arden, who's going to write it?

919
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: Like I'm going to write it? Like Arden, we need

920
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: a write And then they like paired me up with

921
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: a man immediately, just like when I don't know, when

922
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: I think, I feel like it's so hopeful. Like you know,

923
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: young women today, I feel a lot of them are

924
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: raised more with knowing how it appears. To me, it

925
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: seems like people are raised more with knowing their worth

926
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: and knowing how to set a boundary, and like it's

927
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: so hopeful and inspiring. And when I wrote that Refinery

928
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: twenty nine article, a lot of people were really supportive.

929
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: But then you know, some people were like, what do

930
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: you say? You know it's like and that also I

931
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: think contributed. I do think a lot of it was grief,

932
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: but it didn't really make make me want to do

933
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: much more stand up and I and I know that

934
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: that that is like letting that bad vibe in. Maybe

935
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: it would have been different if I wasn't grieving and

936
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: I had more skin on me. I think that just

937
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 1: certainly didn't help. But yeah, it does start to wear

938
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: on you sometimes, and there's a difference between what people

939
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: will be like I just quit, versus taking care of yourself.

940
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 1: There's absolute difference in finding your boundaries and acknowledging these

941
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: are your boundaries. And also as much as you loved it,

942
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: you are you are freaking like everywhere, Like with your podcast,

943
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: with your book, with all of these things. It's not

944
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: like you've given back or stopped your voice. It's just

945
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: a different even when you find the things that feel safe.

946
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: I think I'm also less interested in putting myself in

947
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: situations right now that like it's like Okay. I love

948
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: to create. I like to make people laugh. I like

949
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: to like, what is what's a way that feels comfortable

950
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: and safe in the most of service and playful versus

951
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, like it takes a certain like my

952
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: skin is just not that thick right now, you know,

953
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: So what's like, what's a fun safe way for me

954
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: to play and take risks and still do funny things

955
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: in a way, you know. I think the pandemic is

956
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: just it's it's vulnerable. Everybody's everybody is a little more gentle.

957
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: I feel like everybody's circle of pals is a little

958
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: bit like just best of right now, you know, Like

959
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: I'm also wondering if best because we are now connected

960
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: with more people, so we are adamantly aware when something

961
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: is hurting someone else's feelings and that's not a bad thing.

962
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: Necessarily to be aware and be more empathetic to realizing

963
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to be you know, exclusionary, but I

964
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: am and I am so sorry, Like they're there are

965
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: those levels of just realizing there there's faces to these

966
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: conversations you may be having. Yes, yes, before we do

967
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: close out as we're just I love this conversation. I

968
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: wish we could have a longer conversation and hopefully we

969
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: can return and you will come back to our show.

970
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: I would love to. Unless you want Annie to be

971
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: on your show and talk about her fan fiction on

972
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: your show. You were always starting fiction about Oh well,

973
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: I've actually written to because one of them was so

974
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: sad that I was like, I need a different one.

975
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: And it's still sad, but not as sad. Um It

976
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: is an original trilogy Star Wars fan fiction that is

977
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: the saddest thing I've ever written in nutsing something. I

978
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: won't publish it because I think it could kills me.

979
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: On Lauren Lafkis and Nicole Buyer's newcomerce thing about where

980
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 1: they watch every thing of Star Wars, They've never seen one,

981
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: and they watched everything that's in every spinoff and then

982
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: now they're doing Lord of the Rings. Oh so any

983
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 1: made me do that. I had never seen anything Star

984
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: Wars until March of this last year, and he's like, no,

985
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: I don't think it's May last year, and I was like, okay,

986
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: And I have now watched almost every single day and

987
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 1: I'm still not as interested as she is in this,

988
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: but she gives me every tidbit that I need to

989
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: know about neither. I was like, what is happening? Why

990
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: is And so I make up my own names and

991
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: dialogue all of this because it's just so absurd to

992
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: me in some of the ways I see the love

993
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: I see and we've seen by the way, I've seen

994
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: almost three different versions of Star Wars, like the Disney

995
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: Plus version, the original version, and then there's an edited

996
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 1: other version. I have seen them. You're a good friend.

997
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: Can I just say thank you? How long have you

998
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: guys been friends? We have a date because there was

999
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: a day that we met. I actually worked at a

1000
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: brewery in Atlanta and she visited me there and that's

1001
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: where our friendship formed. But we became friends through the

1002
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: old co host who is now with unladylike Caroline, and

1003
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: so we became friends that way, and then we got

1004
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: together because I'm a social worker, and we decided we

1005
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: wanted to do a whole hashtag me too segment. Yes,

1006
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: and that just kind of submitted our friendship. I love that. Yeah,

1007
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: I think it's about three years ago. We became close.

1008
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: We got really into that. But speaking of from and ships,

1009
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: because you have a lot of really great friendships, with

1010
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: other female comedians was beautiful to see. I love even

1011
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: you're talking about Nicol Buyers and Lauren and like, I

1012
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: know you're really good friends with Jenny Kirkman and all

1013
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: of that, and they are big big wigs. I always

1014
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: talk about that group of women who are all comedians

1015
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: that kind of just float around and I starculate with

1016
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: each other the show, and I love that. I love

1017
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: what it is, the camaraderie like all of that. What

1018
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: would be some advice that you would give to young

1019
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: female comedians trying to up come into this kind of business?

1020
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: I mean exactly what you just said. And so Lisa

1021
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: d Larios is as a lady that I came up

1022
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 1: with and we were talking about and Aaron Foley, who

1023
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: also is a brilliant stand up and her new album

1024
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: Deep Dive is so good. But we were saying, how

1025
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: and I think it's probably changed, but how a lot

1026
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: of the guys back in the day, they they would

1027
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: really raise each other up as a team like they like.

1028
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: And so I would say, find your people, create your like,

1029
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: create your own show, even if it's virtual right now,

1030
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 1: so like the equivalent of hosts a show, so you

1031
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: can have people on do it with on your pals,

1032
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: you know. Like, I think creating your own show really

1033
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: gives you practice, like and also enables you to have

1034
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: your own brand of what what you do. So I

1035
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: used to host a show in Brooklyn called The Party

1036
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 1: Machine with my friend Lisa, and it was very sort

1037
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 1: of glass have full optimistic. We pretended we were party

1038
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: planners and each one was a theme, and then we

1039
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: would just have people come on and do stand up.

1040
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: But I think pair up with each other in a

1041
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: way that you know, maybe meet up or for now

1042
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: you can't, but like help each other with with each

1043
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: other like no Man's or no Ladies in Ireland, you know.

1044
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: So like it's okay to ask your friend to be like, Okay,

1045
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: I'm working on this, Like can you help me with

1046
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: this punchline? You know that there's nothing wrong with that.

1047
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: Even if you just want to be a stand up

1048
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: improv classes for anybody, then if you're not a performer,

1049
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,959
Speaker 1: I think it helps you listen and respond. A great

1050
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: improviser only does at that, Like you're not actually a

1051
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: good improviser if you go in with the set thing

1052
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: and you're trying to control it. That Like, I think

1053
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: it's a good thing in life that you get to

1054
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: learn how to be a good teammate. If you can

1055
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: be open and responding to the last thing that was

1056
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: said to you that you don't need to. It's like,

1057
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: even though it's scary, but to release control of the outcome.

1058
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: And I know, I know you ce b is. I

1059
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: don't know if they're still open, but they're great. The

1060
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: groundlings are great. Um, the pit is great. I'm sure

1061
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: there's a lot of virtual things right now. A second

1062
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: city and the good news now the world just start

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Speaker 1: making stuff, make videos, put it up just like I

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Speaker 1: would say that as you guys know with podcasting, like

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Speaker 1: if you can do a consistent schedule, if you're like,

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Speaker 1: okay every Thursday at noon, I'm going to drop something

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Speaker 1: like just to give yourself that structure, but that I

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Speaker 1: think that helps build a fan base of like if

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Speaker 1: you know you have a consistent drop and again, look

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Speaker 1: at like the Lonely Island guys were like, if you

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Speaker 1: team up with people that you can like find your people,

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Speaker 1: team up and just start making things. We're interviewing Kate

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Speaker 1: mccouchee and Ricky lynd Home tomorrow on our Lady of

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Speaker 1: the Road podcast about collaborating and just you know, I've

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Speaker 1: known Kate and their garfun flow notes and I've known

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Speaker 1: them a long time and looking just at the output,

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Speaker 1: like their work ethic, you know, the amount of videos

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Speaker 1: that are up there. They like they just wrote song

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Speaker 1: after song and made great video after great video. Like

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Speaker 1: they they had the talent, but they also put in

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Speaker 1: the hours. So just keep like, if you want to

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Speaker 1: do it, like, put in the hours. I would say

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Speaker 1: that ten thou hours is a real thing, Yes it is.

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Speaker 1: I remember when we all started, we started. I remember

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Speaker 1: Lisa and I started with Zat Alfinnakis, and I remember

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Speaker 1: one night we were all like at a late night

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Speaker 1: show at Stand Up New York and the like, and

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Speaker 1: we were all terrible, you know, like but he just

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Speaker 1: did it everywhere. He did it at coffee shops, he

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Speaker 1: did it, did laundry match. He just kept doing like

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Speaker 1: nobody starts out great, Like just keep doing it. If

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Speaker 1: you want to do it, just put in the hours.

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Speaker 1: Dust yourself off if you have a bad one, keep going,

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Speaker 1: record your sets. Listen back to where people want to

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Speaker 1: laugh and you're not letting them laugh. Slow down, right

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Speaker 1: and buddy system, get a safe pal to like help

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Speaker 1: you with your craft, your jokes, comedy. It's all about timing.

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Speaker 1: Yea true expressions story, true story story. My friend, I

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Speaker 1: only have half of it, does the expressions? Yes? Oh

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Speaker 1: that's excellent advice. And this has been such a wonderful

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Speaker 1: conversation Arden, Thank you so much for being here. Oh

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Absolutely, it's been unto light. Where

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Speaker 1: can the listeners find you? Well, I am. You can

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Speaker 1: get my book little Miss Little Competent anywhere books are sold,

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Speaker 1: independent bookstores. You can order it from. You can order

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Speaker 1: it from the Big Boys if you like. There's an

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Speaker 1: dio version. I'm on Instagram and Twitter at Arta Marine,

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Speaker 1: M y R I N And my podcast Will You

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Speaker 1: Accept This Rose drops every Wednesday on I Heart Radio

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Speaker 1: and then Lady of the Road with the Bridgertain executive

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Speaker 1: producer Julianne Robinson. Lady of the Road will be out

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Speaker 1: later this year with two limited edition it'll be like

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Speaker 1: fifteen episodes for the season. And there's so many great

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Speaker 1: women that we talked to of all different kinds of

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Speaker 1: all kinds of bad. So I'm very excited about that.

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Speaker 1: We are too, And the listeners go check art and

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Speaker 1: out and thank you again for for being here. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for having me. I was so excited to do it. Yes, Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's been wonderful. Um and listeners. If you would like

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Speaker 1: to contact us, you can our email Stuff Media mom

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Speaker 1: Stuff at i heeart mea dot com. You can also

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Speaker 1: find us on Instagram at Stuff I've Ever Told You

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Speaker 1: are on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast. Thanks as always

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Speaker 1: to our super producer Christina. Thank you Christine, and thanks

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