Speaker 1: Hi, guys, this is Teddy Mellencamp and I'm joined by
Speaker 1: my friend Emily Simpson for our new spin off show
Speaker 1: Popping Off, where we are digging deep on this season
Speaker 1: of Banner Pump Rules.
Speaker 2: Hi guys, welcome to another episode of Popping Off, but
Speaker 2: instead of Emily, this week, I am with our favorite
Speaker 2: Carlos King.
Speaker 3: Hey, Teddy, and Emily. Honey, I love replacing you. Just
Speaker 3: for the day, girl, just for the day. She's an
Speaker 3: off sister. She's gonna be all jelly. I can tell already.
Speaker 2: She's not even responding. Well, now you've gotten a taste
Speaker 2: of what everybody that works with me has to deal
Speaker 2: with with me sending clips like every two seconds to
Speaker 2: update the rundown, like for everyone I know. It's the
Speaker 2: constability in you. Girl.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not a ten year old Teddy. I
Speaker 3: know how to open a link and I'm not to
Speaker 3: share it Like it's okay, Teddy. I'm a journalist like you.
Speaker 3: You're Teddy Walters. I'm Carlos Winfrey. So we are great.
Speaker 2: Listen, Carlos Winfrey. There are some people that I need
Speaker 2: to micromanage a b So it's just in the habit Okay,
Speaker 2: I receive it, girl, All good, but no, right as
Speaker 2: we're about to start popping off, the last like little
Speaker 2: clip I sent was because we had just heard Brittany
Speaker 2: on a podcast or whatever talking about how don't worry guys.
Speaker 2: They picked up cameras again to start filming The Valley
Speaker 2: after everything happened with me and Jacks. So this is
Speaker 2: my question, obviously, Emily and I will recap once I
Speaker 2: think The Valley starts premiering next week. But do you
Speaker 2: think this is a publicity stunt or do you think.
Speaker 3: You know, look, I think it's one of those things
Speaker 3: now where Vanda pump Rules was on thin ice right
Speaker 3: like it was almost almost in your cancelation, and then
Speaker 3: obviously this scandalval happened, which I do believe is real.
Speaker 3: I believe that Jackson Brittany took a page out of
Speaker 3: that book because in my opinion, they're thirsty, and it's
Speaker 3: okay being thirsty, just don't be dehydrated. But they're on
Speaker 3: the verge of the hydration like the Sahara desert. Give
Speaker 3: me a water bottle, hydrate that manter and then feed
Speaker 3: it to me in my veins.
Speaker 2: Jackson and Brittany on that verge of the hydration.
Speaker 3: So I'm definitely a little like side eyeing this all
Speaker 3: of this because how convenient that Britney my Love told
Speaker 3: the world darling that don't worry, hammers are capturing this,
Speaker 3: So please tune into the Valley every Tuesday at nine
Speaker 3: o'clock a Central.
Speaker 2: Bravo like girl, get out of here. Well, my other
Speaker 2: question is, if you are going to stage your breakup,
Speaker 2: can you please do it more organized? Like I don't
Speaker 2: want to see the messy car with the eighty two
Speaker 2: trash bags and the paparazzi shots that are supposed to
Speaker 2: look like it, like how I look right now, like
Speaker 2: and like do it with like some real planning, like
Speaker 2: I'll show out, have the box is labeled, have the
Speaker 2: outfit on point, get glam like do it.
Speaker 3: It's a scene straight out of again a Bravo reality
Speaker 3: show I'm with You. Nobody goes to publics or two
Speaker 3: rafts on Hollywood Boulevard and buys hefty bags and then
Speaker 3: all of a sudden calls their glam squad and say,
Speaker 3: can you give me a bumping curl?
Speaker 2: How about to give me.
Speaker 3: A nice rint, you know, throw in a nice like
Speaker 3: track or two so I can have a bang, so
Speaker 3: I can go out with the bank. It's all stage
Speaker 3: to me, and listen, I think Jackson bringing our great television.
Speaker 3: I am not buying what they're selling on the corner
Speaker 3: of Sunset Boulevard.
Speaker 2: I'm just not buying it. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2: as we see, like the the new trailer was released
Speaker 2: because there was that like little mini trailer before which
Speaker 2: nobody was that excited about, and so then they dropped
Speaker 2: the like lengthier one which shows like the couple's marital woes,
Speaker 2: and like that, the additional footage is going to be aired,
Speaker 2: and then it ends with Kristen saying if I was
Speaker 2: going to deal with this bullshit something along the lines.
Speaker 2: But I was going to deal with this bullshit, I
Speaker 2: may as well still be on Vanders. I was like, one,
Speaker 2: I didn't know that was an option for you, right,
Speaker 2: you have a choice in this girl bye co. I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I mean I would rather do a
Speaker 2: lot of things, but you know it ain't happened, so
Speaker 2: let's let's throw them out there, like, yeah, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'd like to be nominated for an Oscar, But guess
Speaker 2: what I'm doing a podcast here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm with you. I would love to play
Speaker 3: Roxy hard Chicago. Okay, somebody cheat on me. I am
Speaker 3: begging for somebody to cheat on me so that I
Speaker 3: can play Roxy on Chicago. I need to fill those
Speaker 3: high heels and dance and do a split or two
Speaker 3: and study Renee Zellweger so that I like, can somebody
Speaker 3: please sleep with my man cheating on me? Let me
Speaker 3: go down to USPS buy a box? Can somebody follow me?
Speaker 3: Can glam marlow Hampton? Can your glam squad beat my
Speaker 3: face with Rihanna's finty beauty makeup so that I can
Speaker 3: give me a chance on Broadway?
Speaker 2: Well, what's your man looked like? And I'll tell you
Speaker 2: if I'll do it? Well, he does a mixture between
Speaker 2: Simon between Simon top. Oh my gosh. All you have
Speaker 2: to do is then add in who else's house husband
Speaker 2: that really wants to be on air. Marcus Jordan.
Speaker 3: By the way, listen, this is such a sidebar for you,
Speaker 3: Teddy Joe. I think Marcus is so hot, and I've
Speaker 3: been Larsa clean them up. He's like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I have to think on Marcus Jordan.
Speaker 2: No, I think he's hot too, but he When we're
Speaker 2: talking about Simon and we're also talking about Peter, we
Speaker 2: are talking about guys that like to be on camera.
Speaker 2: This next headline before we get into recapping the episode,
Speaker 2: it's a picture of Lalla and Amber and Ocean and
Speaker 2: Lalla stepdaughters. They're all together for Ocean's birthday, and it's
Speaker 2: creating a lot of discussion because it's showing those everybody together.
Speaker 2: To me, this isn't shocking, No, if you're inside, Like,
Speaker 2: if my husband and I were to get divorced tomorrow,
Speaker 2: I would be such an asshole if I didn't continue
Speaker 2: building the relationship that I've had with my stepdaughter for
Speaker 2: the past fifteen years. Not only asshole, I love her
Speaker 2: and if I didn't talk to him, I would talk
Speaker 2: to like, I don't, don't. I don't think it's a
Speaker 2: big deal, but some people think it's very bizarre for
Speaker 2: two ex's of the same person just communicate, do you No.
Speaker 3: I'm with When I saw that, I'm like, what's what's
Speaker 3: the big deal here? Like what's the beef? Because for me,
Speaker 3: it goes to show you the growth of La La
Speaker 3: and I know we're going to get into van the
Speaker 3: pum rules. I am such a lalla fan. I think
Speaker 3: she's so mature. I think she's she has shown such
Speaker 3: growth in her evolution as a woman that I really
Speaker 3: do like her. So what that picture showed me was
Speaker 3: she's a grown ass woman who gave a new meeting
Speaker 3: to the word oceans eleven like, I'm here for it.
Speaker 3: I was here for all the ocean. I was here
Speaker 3: for the blending of the families. I think it's dope.
Speaker 2: And they're sisters, Like, let's not forget that. Yes, they
Speaker 2: are sisters. So like, if she didn't extend that invite,
Speaker 2: if she didn't build that relationship with am but regardless
Speaker 2: of what happened to them in the past, you're.
Speaker 3: Screwing that up for your own kid, Yeah, and the
Speaker 3: kid grow up blaming you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So build those relationships even if it's hard, and
Speaker 2: there's going to be highs and lows. And clearly they
Speaker 2: didn't always get along and they had a rocky start,
Speaker 2: but they have moved on. So I don't get what
Speaker 2: the big deal is. I truly don't. And you got
Speaker 2: me to move on this next one. Tom Sandoval details
Speaker 2: decision to give sena thousands vander Pump Rules Pass Reacts.
Speaker 2: This is a Bravo article here. Speaking alongside Tom Schwartz
Speaker 2: on the vander Pump Rules after Show, Sandaval said he
Speaker 2: chose to help Shena out during the pandemic for two
Speaker 2: simple reasons. I knew Shina was struggling with money, and
Speaker 2: she's my friend. I don't want it to be a
Speaker 2: big deal with her either, he added, I want her
Speaker 2: to literally forget it happened. What's more, I've done many
Speaker 2: things like that for many people, Sandoval said, I don't
Speaker 2: want people to think it's just me sort of buying
Speaker 2: their loyalty or anything like that. Katie Maloney admitted on
Speaker 2: Vana Popple's after show helping Sheena out was a really
Speaker 2: nice and very generous thing to do, but at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, she doesn't think it really speaks
Speaker 2: to someone's character or how they're going to show up,
Speaker 2: like thanks for the money, but also you're not a
Speaker 2: good person. I don't see how that's just completely overshadows
Speaker 2: or outweighs the damage and bullshit. I also am curious
Speaker 2: is this a loan or a gift to me? There's
Speaker 2: two very big differences. Financially, I don't loan money. I
Speaker 2: don't you give if I am going to give, if
Speaker 2: I want to. If I'm going to give somebody money,
Speaker 2: I will assume it will never come back because if not,
Speaker 2: it ruins friendships. It ruins relationships. If I make the
Speaker 2: choice to do something, I'm looking at it as a gift.
Speaker 3: Do you need your loan money? I have nine siblings,
Speaker 3: so I think you're ash. I think the answer lies
Speaker 3: with them. That you know what's funny boy me, Teddy,
Speaker 3: I loan I'm a loan shark. So if I loan
Speaker 3: you money, you have to tell me the date you're
Speaker 3: paying me back. It could be a month from now,
Speaker 3: a day from now, or a year from now. I
Speaker 3: will keep the date on my calendar and then I
Speaker 3: will then all you and say, hey, it's the thirteenth
Speaker 3: of November, where's my money?
Speaker 2: And if you don't pay me back, that's okay.
Speaker 3: You can never ask me for money, and I won't
Speaker 3: get an attitude.
Speaker 2: I won't be mad. That's how I rolled. Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: I can't respect that. But do you really not get
Speaker 2: an attitude? Because most people I know that loans money
Speaker 2: and then they expect to get it back. They made
Speaker 2: for ten They don't get upset. My husband will loan
Speaker 2: money like he does it and he acts like it's
Speaker 2: going to be fine, and then he's always disappointed when
Speaker 2: the person lets him down. See that's the thing. I'm disappointed.
Speaker 3: But I already knew, upon cash apping selling you the money,
Speaker 3: that there's a probability I would not get it back.
Speaker 2: And if I do, I'm always like, oh, I'm always shocked.
Speaker 3: Right, But I have a sibling, this is gonna be
Speaker 3: so crazy for you, Teddy. He borrows money from me
Speaker 3: every week so and pays it back to me, but
Speaker 3: then ask for it back two days later. And it's
Speaker 3: to the point I said to him, just keep it.
Speaker 2: How much money do you think you're into him? At
Speaker 2: this point?
Speaker 3: If I had to total how much money my family
Speaker 3: owes me, yeah, I mean this is.
Speaker 2: Not that I have it on my I don't hold
Speaker 2: a grudge, but it's exactly what I have a post
Speaker 2: a wall. But you know it's I'm a launch twelve
Speaker 2: thousand dollars in total. See, I don't want to know
Speaker 2: that number. I don't want to know it for myself.
Speaker 2: I just want to look at it like a gift.
Speaker 2: And then I don't want to ever. I don't want
Speaker 2: my accountant to tell me about it again. I don't
Speaker 2: want to talk about it again. Once it's given, it's
Speaker 2: given and it's done, and I have to block it
Speaker 2: out now.
Speaker 3: I'm with you, but I walk like this about Tom's character, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, lack thereof. If you loan someone money,
Speaker 3: it's not for the world to know. I'm not going
Speaker 3: to expose that to the world, right.
Speaker 2: But he didn't expose it Sena did. Well.
Speaker 3: There is the thing. I wouldn't even comment on it.
Speaker 3: I would just be like, the thing for me is this,
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, you're a man, right,
Speaker 3: And I feel like, as a man who loaned a
Speaker 3: woman money with everything you said like you did it
Speaker 3: because she's your friend, all those things, I wouldn't even
Speaker 3: give it that much attention. You know, Lets Sheena do
Speaker 3: what Sheena does, what she does best, create you know,
Speaker 3: a moment and listen.
Speaker 2: I'm not mad at it, but as a man, it's
Speaker 2: sort of like, let her have it.
Speaker 3: Not everything deserves a response, Tom, and you should know
Speaker 3: that basically on the interviews you have done lately, well,
Speaker 3: he could.
Speaker 2: Have just said, of course, I love her, I do
Speaker 2: anything for her. You know, whats it? That's it. You
Speaker 2: don't need to say how many other people you've done
Speaker 2: it for. You've done that, Like it just becomes.
Speaker 3: You've done a lot to other people, Tom Sandival, You've
Speaker 3: done people.
Speaker 2: You've done a lot to people. You've been in people. Wow,
Speaker 2: there's been good and there's been bad. But I also
Speaker 2: want then it made me go down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 2: Do you think he gave Rachel any money when she
Speaker 2: needed it?
Speaker 3: I think he gave her money for other things, if
Speaker 3: you catch my drift. I think it was a nice
Speaker 3: you know, I think it was. You know, hey, we're
Speaker 3: about to have this reunion. How about we have this
Speaker 3: same story. And I don't know there could be a
Speaker 3: fee attached, you know. I definitely think listen, Tom is greasy,
Speaker 3: and not because of his hair.
Speaker 2: See, I don't. I think I think she was just
Speaker 2: as down for as he was in the beginning.
Speaker 3: In the beginning, but I think once it got exposed,
Speaker 3: I think she had some Listen to me, I felt
Speaker 3: she had some remorse, but she had to continue the
Speaker 3: story that her man at the time said, we got
Speaker 3: to stick to the script and that and that to
Speaker 3: me is why I feel sorry for Rachel.
Speaker 2: Well, if you had to pick, would you rather be
Speaker 2: engaged to Tom Sandoval or to James Kennedy? Can I
Speaker 2: tell your secret me you and the popper? The popper
Speaker 2: is the popper offers, don't don't we haven't come over
Speaker 2: the name Teddy.
Speaker 3: I think James Kennedy is so sexy. I think he's
Speaker 3: so hot. Let me tell you why he's such a badass.
Speaker 3: I love the way he performed at the reunion and
Speaker 3: how he was about to beat Tom's ass turned me
Speaker 3: on so strong.
Speaker 2: It was like it was like they gave me such
Speaker 2: the egg. Now.
Speaker 3: It was like he was in Greece and he was
Speaker 3: playing John Travolta, and I was the blonde with the
Speaker 3: with the scar in the black top, and I just
Speaker 3: wanted to hot behind his bicycle so he could ride
Speaker 3: me the sunset.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. Couldn't this way, iHeart? Can you please find
Speaker 2: me a different host for the rest of them? Well,
Speaker 2: you sand between top scat the ball and I did
Speaker 2: he answer that way? You know I was leading you.
Speaker 2: I mean you could have just said, James, you wouldn't
Speaker 2: own it a little deeper. But no one beats Tom Schwartz. Sorry,
Speaker 2: we call it. By the way, we also from here
Speaker 2: on out, you have to call Tom Schwartz Tom, It's
Speaker 2: just Shorts. We call him Shorts. Okay. Wow. So this
Speaker 2: next one is regarding the mid season trailer, so it
Speaker 2: starts with Shorts. So Santava is not a trash person.
Speaker 2: He just did a trash thing. Aria Anna questions this
Speaker 2: with a trash thing, and then Shorts and Katie are
Speaker 2: both seen making out with Sheena's nanny, Torri. Then Sandoval
Speaker 2: looks to be asking Schwartz to move into his house
Speaker 2: with him, which we know now has not happened, or
Speaker 2: I don't think it's happened. Then James tell your boy.
Speaker 2: James tells Ali that he sees having babies in their future,
Speaker 2: and then she goes, you know what, I never see
Speaker 2: I've never felt that. No, and then Sandoval jacks Jack
Speaker 2: shows up, confronts Jack for talking shit and the whole
Speaker 2: world has talked shit about you. Then Shena tells Brock,
Speaker 2: I don't think you and I are going to be
Speaker 2: together forever. I can't would have, and then arian and
Speaker 2: Sandoval come face to face, with Ariana storming off telling
Speaker 2: a producer he just wants thirty seconds for the audience.
Speaker 2: He just doesn't care if I die in a ditch.
Speaker 2: Santaval tells Lala, Shena and Shorts that Marianna has talked
Speaker 2: shit about all you Well, of course you all have
Speaker 2: talked shit about all of each other. And then Sheena
Speaker 2: asked sand of all what she means to him, and
Speaker 2: Sandoval says, she means a lot. You know what that
Speaker 2: gave me. Remember when we were younger and we'd be like,
Speaker 2: do you like me? Check yes, no, or maybe? And
Speaker 2: they checked maybe, and then you're so embarrassed. I always
Speaker 2: got checked yes, Ted, I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: I got maybe twice and it was the same person.
Speaker 2: And then he told me he likes Kate Seruno, but
Speaker 2: if it didn't work out with Kate, then he'd come
Speaker 2: back around me. That's what. It didn't work out with Kate,
Speaker 2: then he came back around. I had moved on. I
Speaker 2: was done with Gingers. That's right, girl, and you never
Speaker 2: look back. I can retain that information from third grade
Speaker 2: from Bradley Reagan, but like I can't remember, not the government.
Speaker 3: Name Jesus listening, by the way, along with his wiping
Speaker 3: two kids in the back seat playing Pokemon girl.
Speaker 2: Oh well, he shouldn't have checked, maybe because he scarred me.
Speaker 2: Then a couple years later, when he wanted to do
Speaker 2: seven minutes in Heaven, I wasn't having it. You can
Speaker 2: do it. Oh, I'd moved on. I was done. I
Speaker 2: like trip by then. Oh my gosh. Okay. This last
Speaker 2: sideline before we get into the episode is Rachel accuses
Speaker 2: Lisa vander Pump of victim shaming and spreading propaganda to
Speaker 2: whitewash Tom Sanval. The People article is here. Sometimes I
Speaker 2: feel like if I were to use the word propaganda,
Speaker 2: somebody has written it for me. Sometimes I feel that
Speaker 2: way about Rachel.
Speaker 3: She has a publicist who has graduated with a degree
Speaker 3: in journalism and social studies. So well, yeah, listen, you
Speaker 3: can't blame Lisa Vanda Pump for this. And I know
Speaker 3: that people want to blame her as this maniacal like person.
Speaker 3: And I'm only talking about Vanda Pump Reules, not the
Speaker 3: other show. My opinion, I listened, Tom did what he did,
Speaker 3: He behaved the way he behaved. I don't think anyone
Speaker 3: is to blame for the behaviors of the aftermath of
Speaker 3: what happened but the person at the epicent term all
Speaker 3: of this, and that's Tom. So give Lisa Vanda Pump
Speaker 3: a pass on this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, she said on her Rachel Goes Rogue podcast,
Speaker 2: You're welcome that vander Fump knows exactly what she's doing.
Speaker 2: Levis clarified that the video was recorded over a FaceTime
Speaker 2: call and only learned of its existence when it was
Speaker 2: sent to her. Levis confessed that vander Funk's public stance
Speaker 2: doesn't feel good. This is my question about Rachel Goes Rogue.
Speaker 2: Is she going to ever talk about something other than
Speaker 2: Tom Sandfall and listen, I'm sitting chair recapping, popping off
Speaker 2: about vander Pump rules. I get it, but I'm not
Speaker 2: talking like if I spent an entire amount of time
Speaker 2: solely talking about Lisa vander Pump every single episode, I
Speaker 2: don't understand. I don't get it. We don't other things, honey,
Speaker 2: there's nothing else to talk about. What what what was
Speaker 2: was she eats for breakfast?
Speaker 3: Or what peloton instructor she uses in the morning. Like
Speaker 3: I don't get too sh about what Rachel does her
Speaker 3: past time.
Speaker 2: I want to know everything. Are you sure you're not
Speaker 2: curious if it's Cody or Robin. Honey. For me, it's
Speaker 2: Alex Tucson. If you really want to know my jam.
Speaker 2: I like him, but sometimes I need the music. Sometimes
Speaker 2: the music's like too chill for the peloton. Let's go.
Speaker 2: You're right there, So now I think, listen, it's called
Speaker 2: Rachel go rogue. She's going rogue. She's like you to
Speaker 2: everybody involved in this show.
Speaker 3: I am going to state my case because she did
Speaker 3: not film last season, which bother ry Rachel I would
Speaker 3: have definitely filmed, got my check and then quit, Like
Speaker 3: who's representing you, honey, I.
Speaker 2: Have sneaky suspicion. Well, no, now that this lawsuits, I
Speaker 2: feel like we're going to see her somewhere else, Like
Speaker 2: she'll be on like not House of Villains with the
Speaker 2: marriage boot camp, Like where is she going to go? Well,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Now that the lawsuits involved, it makes
Speaker 2: things a little trickier. But anyways, we're going to take
Speaker 2: a quick break and we'll come back to recap episode
Speaker 2: seven of Vanderpump Rules. We are about to talk about
Speaker 2: vander Pump Rules. I'm here with Carlos King because Emily
Speaker 2: is out of town and I'm so happy to have
Speaker 2: you here. Yes, the episode starts where everyone is back
Speaker 2: from Tahoe. Tom arrives back at his house and Ariana
Speaker 2: is there his assistant Anne. I love that Ann is
Speaker 2: dressed up to go to the Barbie movie and like
Speaker 2: gets embarrassed that shit, we're going to go there, because
Speaker 2: I'm like, what are we doing? But sandals. He feels
Speaker 2: optimistic about the trip and there was not very many fights.
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what that's like when I
Speaker 2: go onto Twitter and I'm like, people like me. He's
Speaker 2: the Lulu. He's He's definitely on the de Lulu side
Speaker 2: of the world. But again, he likes to and I
Speaker 2: do believe this about him.
Speaker 3: He has created his own reality because he's not trying
Speaker 3: to live in it.
Speaker 2: It's too painful. Yeah, that makes sense, But him tiptoeing
Speaker 2: into his house having this connversation with Ann, like all
Speaker 2: of it. Then once again, Arianna has clothing all over
Speaker 2: her bed everywhere. Why if you're not moving out, why
Speaker 2: is there stuff everywhere? Can I tell you a very
Speaker 2: unpopular statement. Sure, I am.
Speaker 3: Over this, Arianna, Like, oh I got cheated on. You're
Speaker 3: not the first woman to get cheated on. Like I'm
Speaker 3: so over this sort of like whate is me? What
Speaker 3: happened to you is bad and I was on your side, sister,
Speaker 3: I'm not on your side anymore in the sense of
Speaker 3: you keep telling this same story. Leave the house, you're
Speaker 3: not married, you don't have any children, Move to Chicago,
Speaker 3: learn some dance steps, and then go to New York
Speaker 3: City and hop on Broadway going to dance with the stars.
Speaker 2: We shgain till later.
Speaker 3: I'm so sick and tired of Arianna acting. I say,
Speaker 3: she's the only woman in the world that has been
Speaker 3: cheated on.
Speaker 2: See, that's not even the part that drives me nuts.
Speaker 2: The part that really drives me nuts is please don't
Speaker 2: question our I mean, granted, I'm not the smartest person
Speaker 2: in the world, but I don't suggest that I have
Speaker 2: zero intelligence by acting like. What you're trying to say
Speaker 2: is if anybody films with this man, you don't want
Speaker 2: to be friends with them, that you want him fire
Speaker 2: And you know what, it didn't happen. It didn't happen.
Speaker 2: So now everybody else wants to keep their jobs, so
Speaker 2: of course they are going to film with them. So
Speaker 2: just move on, do what you gotta do. Yes, you
Speaker 2: can still be annoyed. You can still be frustrated. You
Speaker 2: can still say you don't personally want to have conversations
Speaker 2: with him, but you want your friends to lose their job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's because she has multiple jobs. It's because she
Speaker 3: has multiple strengths and InCom she doesn't care about anyone
Speaker 3: else but herself.
Speaker 2: And again, I feel horrible for what happened to her.
Speaker 3: Nobody should go through that, right, I mean, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to talk about the fact that, allega, Lee, you
Speaker 3: are a side chicked too, allegedly, but we'll get to
Speaker 3: that on another time.
Speaker 2: I watched the show, so, oh, that's you, Denise Richard's
Speaker 2: of you watched the show.
Speaker 3: And apparently sudden So then I'm just sort of like,
Speaker 3: in order for this show to have life, you can't
Speaker 3: have your friends not film with this guy. It's was
Speaker 3: feeding their family, their dogs, paying their mortgages. And to me,
Speaker 3: it's not like they're officiating his wedding, you know, it's
Speaker 3: not like they're throwing a party for him. They're literally
Speaker 3: filming scenes with him and hanging out with him. Is
Speaker 3: not that big of a deal. It's not that big
Speaker 3: of a deal. And what it's doing because she has
Speaker 3: the stances. It's making it very hard to like Katie.
Speaker 3: Oh girl, now that Katie, honey Katie.
Speaker 2: Because person I love Katie, so I know this, But
Speaker 2: every time I've ever hung out with her in a
Speaker 2: social setting, she has been funny and nice and self
Speaker 2: deprecated like all the really capable.
Speaker 3: No, no, let's be clear, I like Katie of all
Speaker 3: the cast members. I will hang out I pick and
Speaker 3: Wes Withthercy, Barbie with La La, and then I would
Speaker 3: go to Tom Tom to like dance the night of
Speaker 3: a with Katie, like Katie's my girl, Katie, I don't
Speaker 3: know who's kool aid you've been drinking with the extra
Speaker 3: ounce of sugar.
Speaker 2: It makes no sense to me why she.
Speaker 3: She really has like this hard on that this man
Speaker 3: should be exiled from from the existence of West Hollywood
Speaker 3: or Encino or or Calabasas.
Speaker 2: And she is more.
Speaker 3: Angry than Arianna girl, Like I don't understand the levels
Speaker 3: because it's a difference. You should have a disdain for
Speaker 3: him like I do. But it's the level of this
Speaker 3: Dane that Katie has for him. The way she was
Speaker 3: talking to La La.
Speaker 2: Calmed down, but I started to realize what it's about
Speaker 2: she blames Sandoval for why her and Shortz couldn't make it,
Speaker 2: instead of blaming Shorts, instead of saying Schortz didn't have
Speaker 2: the balls to be the man I needed him to
Speaker 2: be and grow up and treat me the right way,
Speaker 2: And instead of saying it's because of him, she's sag.
Speaker 2: And my guess is she thinks Sandoval was the influence
Speaker 2: or the catalyst to create that bad behavior from Shorts.
Speaker 3: Ladies, stop blaming your man's boy for his behavior. You
Speaker 3: know you can't blame the influence of his friends for
Speaker 3: what he did. Tom Schwartz is a brown ass man.
Speaker 3: He knew what he was doing. I mean, let's be clear,
Speaker 3: he hid the affair from the friend group, right, so
Speaker 3: he's he's consciously aware of what's wrong or right. He
Speaker 3: knew what he was doing, So take your anger out
Speaker 3: on him. She's so and Katie, I love you. You're
Speaker 3: so pretty. Behind me, You're coming across like a bitter Betty,
Speaker 3: and I just think you need to hop on a
Speaker 3: peloton bike along with Rachel and just like go dance
Speaker 3: the night away from a twenty minute cycle.
Speaker 2: I'm over it. I just feel like between this the
Speaker 2: whole conversation when they're and even Sheena getting back into
Speaker 2: like the Dancing with the Stars of it all, little girl,
Speaker 2: that was hard whether she's having the conversation with the
Speaker 2: fact that she's felt okay to have this conversation with
Speaker 2: now three set different scenes, first with Laala, then with
Speaker 2: vander Pump at Casa Rosa, then at the whatever the
Speaker 2: restaurant is. It's on Beverly and I forget what his
Speaker 2: name is where she had hooked up with the bartender
Speaker 2: in two thousand and six. Go go many times, telling
Speaker 2: it like we get it, but also I want to
Speaker 2: be clear. My name has been up for Dancing with
Speaker 2: the Stars a bunch of times too, Like your reps
Speaker 2: can reach out to wherever. If I made the choice
Speaker 2: tomorrow to start dance lessons without ever getting a job offer,
Speaker 2: that's on me, Like I've never gotten an offer from
Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars that I've turned down. If all
Speaker 2: of a sudden tomorrow I don't know, sudden went on
Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars. I couldn't be mad at Sutton
Speaker 2: because he took this job from me. Offers are I
Speaker 2: didn't have a job. Yeah, it's not this a thing.
Speaker 3: It's not like you two went up on an audition
Speaker 3: to that that Emma Stone one and being in right
Speaker 3: like it's mad at Emma Stone and her broken dress
Speaker 3: of the Oscars. This is Dance with the Stars the
Speaker 3: way it works, Sheena girlfriend, everybody gets pitched for the
Speaker 3: gig and they choose. Let's let's have a real conversation,
Speaker 3: Teddy Joe, you get chosen based on your relevancy during
Speaker 3: that season.
Speaker 2: That's all it is.
Speaker 3: Again, if Tom did not cheat on Arianna, none of
Speaker 3: you girls would be on Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 2: It is what it is. So clearly she.
Speaker 3: Got chosen because of the scandal, and that's it.
Speaker 2: Granted. Then, Ariana was very talented and very good and
Speaker 2: well loved her on Dancing with the Stars. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that she wouldn't be, but all of it seems
Speaker 2: like they're just grasping for straws at this point. Everybody's
Speaker 2: put up for a lot of jobs. Sometimes you get them,
Speaker 2: sometimes you don't do I think it was like some
Speaker 2: kind of diss that Ariana took this job that she
Speaker 2: knew she Da wanted. All of us in reality television
Speaker 2: are going to take jobs other people wanted. At some
Speaker 2: point in time, everybody's getting pitched and we all want money.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's it. Then we get to Ariana and
Speaker 2: La La getting coffee together. Ariana shows Lalla pictures. I
Speaker 2: mean they're just really just trying to dig it for Ariana,
Speaker 2: just really make her unlikable, like her showing the photos
Speaker 2: from her photo shoot, her doing like then Lala defend
Speaker 2: Sheena for getting ripped apart on Instagram, then Ariana saying
Speaker 2: she wouldn't actually do anything. Pretty much what Lala is
Speaker 2: doing is saying, I'm not going to let this season
Speaker 2: flop and I will put every bit of work I
Speaker 2: need to to make sure it doesn't.
Speaker 3: And we call that force multiplier and we needed it.
Speaker 3: We needed it. Listen, I am obsessed with Lala this
Speaker 3: season because she's calling shit out the way she sees it.
Speaker 3: And again she also notices this the way her and
Speaker 3: my man James Kennedy took up for Arianna at the reunion,
Speaker 3: like they gave it to Tom deservingly. Tom.
Speaker 2: It was about their past relationships and residual anger towards.
Speaker 3: That one hundred, but of course it was to show
Speaker 3: Arianna like, yeah, girl, we have your back. So when
Speaker 3: we get another season, girl, like, you know, we want
Speaker 3: to come back to because you need friends. And I
Speaker 3: think La La, who's a smart business woman, I think
Speaker 3: she understood, like you're really milking this story a lot.
Speaker 3: With the stage photo shoots with Ken Pays.
Speaker 2: Doing your hair, I'm assuming it bad. I was like
Speaker 2: Jessica Simpson's hair guy. Yes, girl, I Hollywood Kitchen.
Speaker 3: Yes, Ken Pavis did your hair, and it was I
Speaker 3: think Laala is sort of like she woke up and said,
Speaker 3: Ariana is milk.
Speaker 2: Eate this shit and I'm over it.
Speaker 3: Like at some point to your point, Teddy, the show
Speaker 3: has to go long because the fear is this A
Speaker 3: lot of people are afraid that this may be the
Speaker 3: last season of the show just because of how this
Speaker 3: jointed the cast is. And I think Laala knew that
Speaker 3: this show had a second win in life and she
Speaker 3: really wants this to have staying power.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we can't they can't just harbor on this
Speaker 2: over and over and over again, which they then do
Speaker 2: when they go to the restaurant where Arion is not
Speaker 2: even there at this point, it's just Katie, Lala, Shena
Speaker 2: and then the girl from last year that was pregnant.
Speaker 2: That's not pregnant now because she ordered an espresso martini.
Speaker 2: That was my take from the entire episode. But that's
Speaker 2: all I was like, Oh, she's drinking again. I guess
Speaker 2: she's not pregnant anymore. Like that's what happened. Well, she
Speaker 2: had a baby, but like they don't show it. Just
Speaker 2: bring her back in, not like how's the baby? Nothing,
Speaker 2: no mention. We just happen to bring her back into
Speaker 2: our lives as if we like, give us, give her something,
Speaker 2: like have her pushing the stroller and hand it to
Speaker 2: her husband, Like give us something when she comes Like nope,
Speaker 2: she's just there. No one asked her one question about herself,
Speaker 2: her life. One cares, No one cares. But then Christina,
Speaker 2: she's like, I'm gonna get my I'm gonna get baby
Speaker 2: my day right here. Christina as Shena if Sandoval was
Speaker 2: more sad to lose his friendship with Sheena than Arianna,
Speaker 2: and she says yes, because he was so miserable with Ariana.
Speaker 2: They compare the situation of Jackson. Brittany Lala says he
Speaker 2: is still running around town even though he's married. This
Speaker 2: is the perfect segue to the valley. They're like, here,
Speaker 2: you go because they're all friends. They did that nicely. No,
Speaker 2: it was good, it was good. No, they're they're they're
Speaker 2: the best at it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was Listen that little ponderosa the girls had,
Speaker 3: I thought it was so telling to just based on
Speaker 3: like how in sechuous the group is. But yeah, like
Speaker 3: I said, I really appreciated, you know, the conversation because
Speaker 3: it goes show you that when it comes to these relationships,
Speaker 3: it could change at the drop of a dying Yeah.
Speaker 2: But also I'm a little bit I do wonder, especially
Speaker 2: because the sandwich something about her hasn't opened yet or
Speaker 2: anything like that. I am worried that at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, the way that Katie rides so hard
Speaker 2: girl for Ariana, would Arianna do the same for her
Speaker 2: because she's ten past years. Like Arianna sat there, why
Speaker 2: Shortz was saying terrible things to Katie and not that
Speaker 2: she didn't say terrible things back to him, but like
Speaker 2: it wasn't like she had this big fight for her
Speaker 2: that I can recall.
Speaker 3: No, listen, in this episode, listen, I know, I maybe
Speaker 3: getting a hint and a sun op bring a bait,
Speaker 3: but Arianna kind of showed what type of friend she is,
Speaker 3: and the way she led Sheena out there to dry
Speaker 3: you know, like the way she did not like have
Speaker 3: her back publicly. Let me tell you something. I have
Speaker 3: been producing reality for almost twenty years. Trust me when
Speaker 3: I tell you listeners, when a cast member, and you
Speaker 3: know this very well, Teddy Jose, you tell me if
Speaker 3: I'm wrong. There's a few cast members, There's two, particularly
Speaker 3: in Bibley Hills.
Speaker 2: Who really feed into the fandom.
Speaker 3: And the way they act on camera is because they're
Speaker 3: thinking about what the fans are going to say. And
Speaker 3: that's what Arianna was doing. So she already showed me,
Speaker 3: honey with talper friend she is, She's not anyone's friends.
Speaker 3: She's the only person she spriends with. Last named Fargo,
Speaker 3: first named Welles.
Speaker 2: Well. I mean, it's going to get a little it's
Speaker 2: gonna get a little dicey, I think as it continues on.
Speaker 2: But I also want to know why do we think
Speaker 2: the bartender wouldn't sign a release because they didn't show
Speaker 2: his face?
Speaker 3: I mean, this is gonna sound slow shady, as Sheena
Speaker 3: apologize in advance, it has nothing to do with you, girl,
Speaker 3: not really. I think he was like, do I want
Speaker 3: the world to know a bang shena like, I just
Speaker 3: I just don't think he'd wanted that out there, you know,
Speaker 3: like I.
Speaker 2: Mean you got to be like you. He's probably on
Speaker 2: here because he wants to be an actor first. So
Speaker 2: for him to say, I don't want my face shown, girl,
Speaker 2: I'm telling you this. Can I do the math? And
Speaker 2: then I think two thousand and six, how many years
Speaker 2: ago was that? That is?
Speaker 3: Add the one plus the two. Now that's nineteen years ago.
Speaker 2: So nineteen years ago? Are we guessing he was the
Speaker 2: bartender at sir when they when this happened, I was like,
Speaker 2: where where is the time gone? And how do you
Speaker 2: That's my point. When he walked when she walked in,
Speaker 2: like a shit of all the shifts to get into
Speaker 2: I got this ship. By the way, you could tell
Speaker 2: he was Hodges base on his arms. I just like
Speaker 2: she she knows a baddie baby. But she tried to
Speaker 2: like lighten the mood, but Katie wasn't having it. Maybe
Speaker 2: it is a sower pust this season. I don't like it.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Then Lisa goes to Tom Tom or of course the
Speaker 2: pump gate has been installed a frontad Santaval tells her
Speaker 2: Taha is great. He is worried about Rachel and he
Speaker 2: misses her. But then this is where Lisa does her
Speaker 2: best work, where she pretty much says, I spoke to
Speaker 2: Rachel and Rachel's done and you see his face like
Speaker 2: But also, how does Lisa know this before Tom? How
Speaker 2: the dog told her Hippy Lucia, We'll just see they
Speaker 2: all look together. These dogs talk shit about every They
Speaker 2: all talk shit about everybody in the kennel. So Lisa, listen.
Speaker 3: Lisa Vanda Pump obviously loves the chest pieces.
Speaker 2: Right in the words of our friend.
Speaker 3: Kyle, she is Bobby Fisher to me, and that's not
Speaker 3: a diss so leave me alone.
Speaker 2: It goes to show you how smart you are. Thank you.
Speaker 3: So she Lisa Vanda Pump never wants to be on
Speaker 3: the on the on the side of wrong, so of
Speaker 3: course she in my opinion, she wanted it was less
Speaker 3: about Tom girl.
Speaker 2: It was more about the world.
Speaker 3: Knowing that I keep in touch with Rachel and you know,
Speaker 3: I talked to her and I come saw her and
Speaker 3: her friends, you know all those things. It was more
Speaker 3: to let the audience know that she has a relationship
Speaker 3: with this woman, which apparently she doesn't because Rachel went
Speaker 3: bro and said, y'all don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think what was happening was they were
Speaker 2: in negotiations with Rachel at this time, and so Lisa
Speaker 2: probably talked to her. But also she couldn't have just
Speaker 2: said she's done with you, Tom. She had to say
Speaker 2: she doesn't love you anymore. I mean, like, can't you
Speaker 2: leave that for somebody else to tell? Like she's done
Speaker 2: with you would have been fine, but like, she doesn't
Speaker 2: love you anymore. But Lisa had a couple good little
Speaker 2: nuggies which I appreciated, not only the pump sign out front,
Speaker 2: which is which is a clear message to the Toms,
Speaker 2: you know who the real boss is, but then also
Speaker 2: saying I don't need to let up two point five
Speaker 2: percent partner. Know these types of things.
Speaker 3: Absolutely Now who gets a two point five review on yeop?
Speaker 3: So Lisa is all about business and she knows that
Speaker 3: you aren't somebody I want to align myself with. And
Speaker 3: you're right, I'm the boss and I will remain the boss.
Speaker 2: But the fact that she was able to turn that
Speaker 2: two point five percent partnership into an entire season long
Speaker 2: a couple of years back really shows the excellent of
Speaker 2: how she can move the pieces. She's great. Listen, you
Speaker 2: gotta give it to Lisa. She is great and she
Speaker 2: sent this episode a lot. Then she meets Lala at
Speaker 2: her office with her assistant. This part, I'm happy for
Speaker 2: la La, but I don't really think there's anything we
Speaker 2: need to recap. She's rebranding, she's her new she's she's stronger.
Speaker 2: She sees a different side of her that's less about her.
Speaker 2: This next part is a jump scare. What Joe's confessional?
Speaker 2: What is happening? Because Joe is It's more just like
Speaker 2: there was like one little barette here, And I'm not
Speaker 2: shaming how she aesthetically looks. I think she's a pretty Listen,
Speaker 2: I think she's pretty. AKA people have told me I
Speaker 2: look like her.
Speaker 3: I probably like her tool put the barrette on the side,
Speaker 3: and like all of it was just a lot for
Speaker 3: me to take in.
Speaker 2: Like Kenny, it was a lot.
Speaker 3: Of the producer, the DP or the lightning guy for
Speaker 3: everybody to take it.
Speaker 2: That's when you know you're doing too much. But also
Speaker 2: how tall is she? Like is she's seven to one?
Speaker 2: She kept seeing the tall people side, the tall side.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I've been her on shorts. He's not that tall.
Speaker 2: You're not taller than shorts, So like, are you my height?
Speaker 2: I'm five to three. If I kept calling myself tall, Like,
Speaker 2: how tall are you? Joe? I need to know? Send
Speaker 2: me a DM lease. Oh she will after this, baby,
Speaker 2: don't worry like I just need to know how tall
Speaker 2: are you? Why is it such a problem? But yeah,
Speaker 2: and then yeah, I mean, I just I can't. I
Speaker 2: can't get over to the confessional. Joe looks like I
Speaker 2: do when I'm leaving the horse show and I'm tired
Speaker 2: and I'm done and I'm exhausted. I put what my
Speaker 2: daughter's bred in my hair so I don't lose it,
Speaker 2: and then I show up, I'm wind blown, hangover. Actually,
Speaker 2: Joe looks like me right now on this podcast.
Speaker 3: No, daddy, you're the fan. You look much better. No shade,
Speaker 3: you look good, pink background and all.
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay. Then the last week we get to their
Speaker 2: final scenes, which is James, Schwartz, Santaval and Brock go
Speaker 2: to I think It's the Stinking Rose or whatever it is,
Speaker 2: where you turn the thing upside down when you're done eating.
Speaker 2: They have this meat eating competition which actually grosses me out.
Speaker 2: I don't need I like a good meat eating Wow. Hey,
Speaker 2: I stand by my original statement. But they're talking about
Speaker 2: how the girls are all doing astrology night, which then
Speaker 2: we zip on over to the girls all sitting around
Speaker 2: with Ali, who I like, Yeah, but I don't. I've
Speaker 2: been I've been a part on TV a couple of
Speaker 2: times where you're getting your astrology read or you're rising
Speaker 2: things and all of that. But I really do have
Speaker 2: a hard time like suspending my belief that, like you're
Speaker 2: not taking some sort of outside information. It's like me
Speaker 2: saying I watched Beverly Hills and I'm not biased. Now listen,
Speaker 2: that's very true.
Speaker 3: There is a level of insight, right, Yeah, and that's
Speaker 3: why it's hard, especially you know, if they if they
Speaker 3: choose to be on camera. I think that's kind of
Speaker 3: maybe the giveaway to Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is Ali's profession. But she's like telling
Speaker 2: everybody things we already know where I'm like, you hang
Speaker 2: out with them, of course you're, Oh, that's because you're
Speaker 2: Cabricorn rising. But I mean it was good. It was
Speaker 2: a fine episode. I like how they have it all
Speaker 2: ready to queue up with Jackson next week's episode and
Speaker 2: then leading right into the valley. Do you think the
Speaker 2: Valley is going to be better than vander Pump rules.
Speaker 3: No, he's the easy answer. Nope, thought needed one brain
Speaker 3: cell activated. No, I don't look. I just I just
Speaker 3: don't see it because the leads aren't the most likable
Speaker 3: people in the world. So I just don't know if
Speaker 3: I this is being teddy. I don't know if I care. Well, listen,
Speaker 3: I could be wrong. But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: One of the leads, uh Nia, I know her because
Speaker 2: we go to church together, and she is like and
Speaker 2: she could be fooling me, but to my in my experience,
Speaker 2: she has been nothing but like nice and kind and
Speaker 2: like she's a pageant girl, but like she has always
Speaker 2: been super super nice, and her husband has has been
Speaker 2: very very nice. And then all of a sudden they
Speaker 2: called him something like his flit personality or his other
Speaker 2: So I feel like there's going to be some drama.
Speaker 2: But I just don't know if I'm going to care.
Speaker 3: I know that couple, Yeah, I just I just don't
Speaker 3: know if I care not and listen, this is my
Speaker 3: opinion could be unpopular. I don't know if I care
Speaker 3: about this season of Vanda palm rules. I think the
Speaker 3: shock of the scandal led all of us back into
Speaker 3: this season, and it hasn't all the time lived up
Speaker 3: to the hype. Not all the time. I thought this
Speaker 3: past episode's fine. It was definitely better than most I
Speaker 3: saw this season.
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I just I would be interested.
Speaker 2: I would be more interested to hear why, like Shina
Speaker 2: doesn't think that she is going to make it with Brock,
Speaker 2: Like those types of conversations is where we have to lead.
Speaker 2: What Longa's plan is now that she's going to have,
Speaker 2: Like I hope that's where this season and is going
Speaker 2: to go to, like how she selected the sperm donor
Speaker 2: all of those types of things, you know, if she
Speaker 2: wants to be in another relationship, what the plan was.
Speaker 2: But I think when we saw the clip of Laala
Speaker 2: saying once she is pregnant again, she doesn't want to
Speaker 2: give any man the power to take away her child,
Speaker 2: which I think, I thought that was powerful. I thought
Speaker 2: that was so powerful and it's something I hadn't really
Speaker 2: thought of in that way when I was here, and
Speaker 2: I was like, Holy, that's true. You have to share
Speaker 2: your weekends, you have to share your like your holidays
Speaker 2: and that's hard. Yeah, listen, all jokes aside.
Speaker 3: My favorite moment of the episode is that because you
Speaker 3: know you and I we like the real shit, you know,
Speaker 3: not the not the made for TV stuff. I And
Speaker 3: even in her confession though, where she teared up, I
Speaker 3: by far my favorite moment.
Speaker 2: It was so real and it hit me like a
Speaker 2: ton of breaks. It really did. And that's why I
Speaker 2: care more about Shena and Brock than I do about
Speaker 2: Shina being on Dancing with the Stars because or like
Speaker 2: the picture on the website of the holding being next
Speaker 2: to Tom, like, I don't care. Yeah, And to be honest,
Speaker 2: I don't really care about Shorts and Katie hooking up
Speaker 2: with the same chick. Don't care neither. That's what I'm
Speaker 2: saying to you. I want us to get some news.
Speaker 2: I do. I wouldn't mind seeing Joe get upset, though,
Speaker 2: because nobody really, no girl really wants to be a
Speaker 2: friends with benefits.
Speaker 3: No, And even when it was exposed in the confessional,
Speaker 3: the difference of stories or.
Speaker 2: How they thought about each other. Yeah, no, Like I
Speaker 2: wouldn't mind seeing her blow a little on that. I'm
Speaker 2: fine with it. Let's go. Thanks for tuning into Popping Off,
Speaker 2: make sure to tune in. Next week we will be
Speaker 2: covering van pump rules in the Valley