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Speaker 1: you talk about one of the originators, one of the
Speaker 1: people that has been there, still still this test of time,
Speaker 1: still ill here, monkey foot in the game, got an
Speaker 1: ill distribution deal right now, we're gonna get into all
Speaker 1: of that. I'm getting into how they got there. But
Speaker 1: the man has been doing it. He's frong. We've seen him.
Speaker 1: The first time I've seen New York niggas in London
Speaker 1: is with him. First time I see New York city,
Speaker 1: niggas go something where other than even from ship even
Speaker 1: I see them in Virginia. That was like Jesus, that
Speaker 1: was like, you know, that's Virginia was like fucking Jamaica.
Speaker 1: Like I thought you needed a passport to go to
Speaker 1: Virginia at that time. Like the man has been true
Speaker 1: to hip hop, has been one of the most lyrical
Speaker 1: guys here. I've seen him. I'm kicking Rome the other
Speaker 1: day and he still got it. But the beautiful thing
Speaker 1: about is the relationship that you know, you know from
Speaker 1: from the beginning and and you know even the termorial
Speaker 1: to now where they at. I um, I what is
Speaker 1: that applaud that I commend that I loot that you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying to see where they are, and
Speaker 1: the fact that people from Title's going hard for this.
Speaker 1: I was really, I really think that's commendable. Man, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying all these years. But in case
Speaker 1: you don't know what we're talking about, motherfucking jazz. So
Speaker 1: one thing about googled you right, you had you had
Speaker 1: you have a neighbor um Eric Oliver. Yeah, Eric, that
Speaker 1: was the first person to tell you should write away.
Speaker 1: Did your research money because you know, why that name is.
Speaker 1: Listen to what I said. I said, that's a director's
Speaker 1: name in my mind, like that's just sound like somebody
Speaker 1: who's gonna direct Bad Boys five and Ship but ahead.
Speaker 1: So so, how does the person come up to you
Speaker 1: and says, yeo, I think you should write a ride? Well,
Speaker 1: you know basically, um And how old were you when
Speaker 1: when he said this ship? Well he was about he
Speaker 1: was about nine, so I was I was like yeah.
Speaker 1: And it was around the time where you know they was,
Speaker 1: you know, taking the electricity from the light pole having
Speaker 1: you know, so you know he got the music out,
Speaker 1: just cat Lenney Morgan from the building every time they
Speaker 1: had the music out, Like I think, it was just crazy.
Speaker 1: He's just he was good, good, crazy, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He just run through the lane. So I'm like, jo,
Speaker 1: they got the music out, they got the music out.
Speaker 1: So yes, that's exactly so um So Eric Oliver actually
Speaker 1: lived on the fifth floor. I lived on the sixth
Speaker 1: floor and six park at and his mother and my
Speaker 1: mother were very very good friends. So one day he
Speaker 1: was like, man, yo, you see how they'd be rhyming
Speaker 1: on the mic. You know you should rhymb on the
Speaker 1: mic just like that. I was like making out on
Speaker 1: my face. You know, He's like, I'm telling you, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you the mic. I bet you kid. So he
Speaker 1: did the reverse psychology ship on me. I bet you can't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so can you remember the guys that were rhyming on
Speaker 1: the mic that he was telling you should be like them? Uh,
Speaker 1: way way back then, if you were a DJ, you
Speaker 1: more than likely you were an MC two. When you've
Speaker 1: got somebody back then, back then the DJ. But I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be here, it wasn't I remember like actually actually
Speaker 1: being like the second like that's why Eric B and
Speaker 1: Rock Kemp right right, but continue to continue. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: he you know, so he did the reverse psychology ship
Speaker 1: on me. So you know, my ego got the best
Speaker 1: of me. And so I wrote an eight ball run
Speaker 1: and he was like, yo, you should say that you
Speaker 1: should do this, this down and the other. So you know,
Speaker 1: I kept it quiet, you know, but secret you know,
Speaker 1: secretly I was right more. I saw ascribing more ship.
Speaker 1: So um, then it happened that, um we went Red
Speaker 1: Hook Projects and uh, one of my boys are Ronald Henley.
Speaker 1: He's calling ron do. Um. We used to always go
Speaker 1: and because his uncle Mango. Everybody got to have a
Speaker 1: nicker name wrong dude, Like, if you're from the front,
Speaker 1: you don't have a nicker name. Wrong. Ex don't ye
Speaker 1: like this. We're going let's go there. So so Uncle
Speaker 1: so Uncle Mango. You know, he used to do house
Speaker 1: parties a thing else. So one night we went out
Speaker 1: the Red Hook and he was doing a house party.
Speaker 1: So I, man, Ron put me on the spot. He
Speaker 1: was like, yo, don't you be rhyming and ship. I
Speaker 1: was like, now, I don't really be rhyming and ship,
Speaker 1: but I was. He was like, go ahead, man, because
Speaker 1: you know how the house party was set up, the
Speaker 1: DJ set up was in the bedroom and everybody was
Speaker 1: in the living room, you know, and they had the
Speaker 1: extension call all that ship. So anyway, so I started,
Speaker 1: I started rhyming. Then we started hearing the reacts and
Speaker 1: they're like whoa. My head said like I got two
Speaker 1: three more. So I just went at it and that's
Speaker 1: what really started it. So what what you um was
Speaker 1: that prior to you going to Virginia going to college
Speaker 1: or that was after that? Was that was before? Okay? Okay,
Speaker 1: so you was in college already and you must have
Speaker 1: been like man, uh because but at that time, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be honest and I'm sorry for Virginia people. But
Speaker 1: at that time, if you was from New York, he
Speaker 1: was like from Brazil. Like we was excited to Virginia
Speaker 1: and boredom are because like we had to slang. So
Speaker 1: it must have been like good for you out there
Speaker 1: in Virginia. Most definitely, most definitely. Um I went to
Speaker 1: um Old Domenion University for two years, and um, I
Speaker 1: really I really went to college for my mom and
Speaker 1: for my grandmother because I damn sure wasn't going for myself.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I was, I was, I was in the street. You know,
Speaker 1: I wanted to rhyme. I wanted to do everything is said.
Speaker 1: You know what they said right like somewhat because like
Speaker 1: I went through your good thing is I was sick yesterday,
Speaker 1: so I had a great long time to to stay
Speaker 1: in the bed and just go through your ship. Is
Speaker 1: that when you get your vocal vocabulary from Is that
Speaker 1: something that helped it was going to college or something
Speaker 1: like that, or um I think you had that prior. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was my mom. Okay, we'll be honest, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was my mother because like, um, I told his story before,
Speaker 1: but like she used to always, um, just introduce new
Speaker 1: words to me, like um, like one day I was
Speaker 1: either five or six and I was being silly and
Speaker 1: she was like, oh, Johnny, you're being so facetious. I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what's like? So you know, and
Speaker 1: I and she already knew I was very inquisitive, so
Speaker 1: I always asked her like what does that mean? How
Speaker 1: do you use with you know everything? So it just
Speaker 1: went on like that. So I always and she knew
Speaker 1: I was gonna I was gonna dive in because I
Speaker 1: was always asking her questions anything. Like I used to
Speaker 1: ask a ship like what does nothing look like? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? And she said and she'd be like,
Speaker 1: and I was five, I was yeah, yeah, that's it
Speaker 1: blown me away right now? What does nothing look like? Wow?
Speaker 1: That's you think that's what makes artists? Because so many
Speaker 1: people right right UM, I don't remember who exactly it was,
Speaker 1: but it was like high school dropout, right and then
Speaker 1: everyone kind of like at that moment, like especially in
Speaker 1: the eighties, nineties, early nineties, everyone was claiming that there
Speaker 1: was high school dropouts. But now, now, if you would
Speaker 1: pay attention to that, this generation, those high school dropouts
Speaker 1: of our generation, that generation has made the dumbest children ever.
Speaker 1: For this generation. You're not sorry, but you understand, do
Speaker 1: you do you feel like we fail them? Like we
Speaker 1: are direct the Senate because when you hear these niggas
Speaker 1: right nowadays, you're like, damn, they definitely didn't go to
Speaker 1: miss Ebanks class. Definitely studies. I think, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that. Um, I think that we we we are
Speaker 1: definitely a part of the failure, but we were sort
Speaker 1: of like an knowing part of the failure. I think
Speaker 1: that the failure or if you want to call it, that,
Speaker 1: it was a gradual thing over over really like decades,
Speaker 1: you know, decades of us um you know, becoming um,
Speaker 1: you know, coming to the cities, you know, coming from
Speaker 1: self destruction to drink something like yeah, because I mean
Speaker 1: we you know, when I came out, you know, I
Speaker 1: was talking about Islam. You know what I'm saying, black
Speaker 1: unity exactly. And it's just crazy like somebody said it, like, um,
Speaker 1: I saw it on Facebook. Actually what they said. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, in the in the late eighties and nineties,
Speaker 1: you know, you had the um. You had the the
Speaker 1: rappers who really talked about being drug dealers down us
Speaker 1: and crowded it though flip like like a right cool.
Speaker 1: Not to compare them to crackheads, but our day not
Speaker 1: to compare themself. So good, you just compared, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, right, So what I'm saying in our day,
Speaker 1: crack was the ship. Hold on, let me finish it out.
Speaker 1: What I mean is this ship and only assholes was
Speaker 1: actually smoking smoking it, like at first when it first
Speaker 1: came out, and motherfucker smoked in motherfucker's and because you
Speaker 1: know it was cocaine, was cool at first, and then
Speaker 1: mother smoke crack. And then when people feel like you're
Speaker 1: a victim, you're fucking you're addict. It has songs. We
Speaker 1: had mirrors in the hood, crack kills all this. That
Speaker 1: is the exact opposite. They have mirrors in the hood
Speaker 1: with people with double cups, and they have mirrles in
Speaker 1: with people with percocet, and like that. It's perpetuate that
Speaker 1: I never listened. I have a lot of nerves because
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here with all this alcohol with a blood
Speaker 1: in my hand, and I'm about to open some ace
Speaker 1: of Spade. But what I'm saying, I hadn't I never
Speaker 1: hip hop, well dumb will be just dumb, like and
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to say that dumb because the
Speaker 1: kids there's a lot of dope artists, but the kid
Speaker 1: these kids, Um, I'm making great money and I got
Speaker 1: to salute that. But I'm saying when I say dump
Speaker 1: dump the content being so dumbed down that you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like, um, do you think that that
Speaker 1: that we would be at this level of hip hop?
Speaker 1: Na is crazy? Yeah, And I got to say this,
Speaker 1: and I say it often like you know, um, as
Speaker 1: far as the skills set and the you know, the
Speaker 1: basic like the level is far set in the ball
Speaker 1: as far as like songs and stuff like. But I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: that niggas that was trash back when of course, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So a lot of people, you know,
Speaker 1: they want to rally the troops and say, like, you know,
Speaker 1: this was the Golden Age and everything that came out
Speaker 1: was crazy hot and now everything is everything is trash
Speaker 1: And that's not the case. I mean, it's you got
Speaker 1: that ship regardless, you know. But there's a difference, like
Speaker 1: the differences that you're talking about, And it's the amount
Speaker 1: of artists to now because everybody could be an artists
Speaker 1: because they could record their crib and it's just like
Speaker 1: you have millions of arts. Before there was a funnel.
Speaker 1: You got to get in the studio, you had someone
Speaker 1: to put your man's on into the label and then
Speaker 1: they put you out. It's limited were now everybody's an artist.
Speaker 1: Right now. I'm just bouncing around because that's what we're doing.
Speaker 1: Drink chance down now. One of the things I would
Speaker 1: have I want to ask, it's like when when Jay
Speaker 1: and Nas was going through that right and there's a
Speaker 1: certain time and I believe he said from Hawaiian Sophie
Speaker 1: Fame or something like that, how did that make you feel?
Speaker 1: Because I don't know how. I just how did they
Speaker 1: make it? It was awkward, But it was awkward because um,
Speaker 1: I was accused of, you know, giving Nas information. It's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I thank you for keeping it real and and me
Speaker 1: and No, we didn't talk like that. You know, we
Speaker 1: had great Paul, but we didn't you know, we didn't talk. Um.
Speaker 1: So I was accused of that because people were saying,
Speaker 1: like people in the circle, they were saying like well
Speaker 1: how did he know this? How did he know that?
Speaker 1: I was like, he saw it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know, when I was signed the e M I, um,
Speaker 1: we did a college So, by the way, the first
Speaker 1: hip hop artist signed to just say that, just skip over,
Speaker 1: we don't get it. That's the first hip hop artist.
Speaker 1: Chili Peppers and niggas like that, right, were different niggas
Speaker 1: deal at all. Like we'll get to that, but let's
Speaker 1: go into the wow. Okay. Yeah, So you know it
Speaker 1: was a situation whereas um, you know, they said, well,
Speaker 1: how did he know all that? And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we want a college store. Like he didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't stay on the tour, but you know, he
Speaker 1: came out for main sorts. He came out, you know,
Speaker 1: for large professor when they did exactly. So we went
Speaker 1: in Norfolk State. That's where I'm met now, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And he got on stage and they
Speaker 1: did the song and you know, me and J was
Speaker 1: standing there. Me was like, yeah, this dude, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be something, you know what I'm saying. Like that, we
Speaker 1: we went analysts that like that's how we did everything,
Speaker 1: Like we watched everything, but so I lost my thought.
Speaker 1: Yeah he was the accused of giving Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: just pretty good. Yeah, so I was accused of that,
Speaker 1: and I didn't give him any information, like and I
Speaker 1: mean no, because I mean everybody who really knew me,
Speaker 1: they know I ain't that type of you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And if I got something to tell you
Speaker 1: that you may not like, I feel that in the
Speaker 1: greater or or in the big picture. If it's something
Speaker 1: that I feel it's beneficial to your well being, I'm
Speaker 1: tell you anywhere. You ain't gotta like me. I don't
Speaker 1: need you to like me. I don't give a funk.
Speaker 1: If I love you, if I care about you, then
Speaker 1: I care about your well being. You can hate my guts,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I don't care. I live
Speaker 1: with that because I don't. I don't breathe and eat
Speaker 1: and pay my bills off or whether you love me
Speaker 1: or that, So I don't need it. What I do
Speaker 1: need is to be myself and my self determined that
Speaker 1: I love everybody. So just to to to go back
Speaker 1: to that, like, yeah, I was accused of that ship
Speaker 1: and um, I think in a way that caused a
Speaker 1: little friction between you know, I was, yes, sort of
Speaker 1: like the beginning of things. Yeah, okay, so we're gonna
Speaker 1: get back to that because bounce around, because how did
Speaker 1: it fail to be um the first person on first
Speaker 1: hip hop on E M I because now the group
Speaker 1: now when people say A M if you think of uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I think Ray Kuan had to deal over there.
Speaker 1: Now you think of that. But obviously if you're the
Speaker 1: first hip I wasn't first from your neighborhood. No, this
Speaker 1: is first hip hop deal from THEE Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: the first, same thing. Yeah, so it was It was weird,
Speaker 1: and you know, I felt like what I was fucking
Speaker 1: guinea pig when I was like yeah, because they didn't
Speaker 1: see the thing is this they didn't really know what
Speaker 1: to do. They just knew like they saw cold chilling
Speaker 1: at the time they started. They wanted to be involved quiet,
Speaker 1: you know, cold chilling and all that other stuff. So
Speaker 1: they're like, yo, that's popping for them. Let's do the eighties.
Speaker 1: Yeah eight eight eight mm hmm getting money since eight?
Speaker 1: What up? What up? So you felt that they didn't
Speaker 1: understand Now, they didn't understand it all. And and the
Speaker 1: thing is they I was being promoted and marketed through
Speaker 1: the Urban Music Department, which actually they called it the
Speaker 1: Black Black Music Promotions Department. Yeah so yeah, they weren't
Speaker 1: even politically correct back then, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So so um so yeah it was crazy. Um. After
Speaker 1: a couple of years, um, a man who you know,
Speaker 1: he's with me in spirit always and with all of
Speaker 1: us in spirit, My man Harry Fobbs. Um. He was
Speaker 1: a close friend j C who used to run we
Speaker 1: came um so yeah yeah so he so he and
Speaker 1: I became real cool and you know, he was like, yo,
Speaker 1: why ain't pushing your music through? I was like, they
Speaker 1: don't know what they're doing. He was like, yo, you
Speaker 1: should ask some money. And I was like, damn, that
Speaker 1: ship is real crazy, but that ship makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense. So I, you know, I inquired and they
Speaker 1: were like, you know, having come up. So he came up.
Speaker 1: They interviewed them, you know, none of that corporate paperworkship
Speaker 1: was like you won't. He became a and all. Unfortunately
Speaker 1: a few months after that he passed. Oh god, bless
Speaker 1: Yeah shout that Harry FIBs. I know you hear me,
Speaker 1: bro bless God bless. So Um and then Hawaiian Hawaiian Sophie.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the actually making that record. Did that
Speaker 1: go to Hawaii for the video? Oh? Man, my childhood? Right,
Speaker 1: it was like right, that was ahead. But you know,
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, I guess that was they were
Speaker 1: in the process, you know, cleaning that money and ship.
Speaker 1: You know how they're doing. You know, you know, you
Speaker 1: go right the house over exactly, and that's exactly what
Speaker 1: they did. But I mean, I think it turned out great. Um,
Speaker 1: they showed a lot of support and what they did
Speaker 1: and what they were aware of, you know, so I
Speaker 1: appreciate officially the first jay Z was ever on like
Speaker 1: like like video yeah, and like a video music box
Speaker 1: for everything. It's first like vidual got there makes some
Speaker 1: noise for jazz like that. When he could technically say
Speaker 1: I discovered jay Z. He could do it. He can
Speaker 1: do It's not people can say that. I can say
Speaker 1: that now, can you has something to do early on
Speaker 1: with you guys to write because was it you who
Speaker 1: linked up with Kine and then you broke him around?
Speaker 1: Oh this is what happened. So this we're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna throw queens in the mixt Okay, let's let's get it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, um, shirt Kings, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's goddammit, that's you know, you know, Nice couldn't I
Speaker 1: couldn't afford shirt Kings back then. But let's go, yeah
Speaker 1: that was the young back then. Ye. But but Nike
Speaker 1: from the Shirt King's Nike actually lived around the same
Speaker 1: way that Jay did. So what happened was, Um, I
Speaker 1: was coming home from from college after those two years,
Speaker 1: you know, I basically dropped out of that ship. So
Speaker 1: Nike found out, you know that I was back, you know,
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, you know. So I guess he had a
Speaker 1: heated discussion with somebody else because they were talking about
Speaker 1: this young cat that's supposed to be nice and and everybody,
Speaker 1: and then, um, you know, Nike was like, I think
Speaker 1: it ain't nicer than Jazz, Jazz and nice Nika period,
Speaker 1: point blank. Boo boo boo. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So they were going back and forth. It was like, well,
Speaker 1: let's find out. So he set up he set up
Speaker 1: the meeting, you know, and that's when me and Jay
Speaker 1: first met. So I say that, you know, we had
Speaker 1: like a um, you know, rhyn first Jay was like
Speaker 1: and then he rhym and I was like, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And he was the first he was
Speaker 1: the first person that I ever heard Rohm exactly. So
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, you know, I gotta I gotta
Speaker 1: keep eyeing on him, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: so to fast forward that Nike was like the Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like a broker for all of this, you know,
Speaker 1: putting people together type of ship. So you know, I
Speaker 1: guess Kane was getting some ship. You know, Kane and
Speaker 1: a lot of other rap artists of that time before
Speaker 1: Dad or wasn't before. It was around the same same time.
Speaker 1: It's just a different you know, different Yeah. So, um,
Speaker 1: so we had a situation like, um, the same ship
Speaker 1: came up with Kane and me like, no, I came
Speaker 1: just just that you looked like Nick ain't better in
Speaker 1: the jazz. You know, he was always screaming that then
Speaker 1: it ain't better the jazz. So so he set it up. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember Fresh Gordon. Fresh Gordon,
Speaker 1: he was a producer. He produced some stuff for the
Speaker 1: Fat Boys. He had a deal with Tommy Boy. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you another side story about what he's
Speaker 1: what he should be more known and recognized for. But anyway, so,
Speaker 1: um so Nike basically set up the meeting. So it
Speaker 1: was supposed to be a battle again, but you know
Speaker 1: in this came, this is eight and a half stepping came. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this big daddy came. He came, came already and ship. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: let's go, you know. But so he said, so night
Speaker 1: set that up and we all met at Fresh Cards
Speaker 1: Crib and we did this. We did this little I
Speaker 1: guess back then you call it a mix tape, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So we recorded that and from
Speaker 1: then on, like we all, we all just became cool,
Speaker 1: you know, because um it was supposed to be a battle.
Speaker 1: But Jay was there and you know j and no
Speaker 1: like should he be rhyming ut this that? I'm like,
Speaker 1: come on, man, like if this means you, let's go.
Speaker 1: So we just did it, you know, Gordon, he ten minutes,
Speaker 1: whipped up a beat. We just made a record. Yeah
Speaker 1: it wasn't a but it's like I'm going to be yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm doing yeah. Yeah. So we started and we we
Speaker 1: established a relationship from them, you know, being Jay's go
Speaker 1: out to Queen's check on Kane and he started he
Speaker 1: you know, he started coming to Brooklyn and he was
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn and queens around it and yeah, yeah all
Speaker 1: from Marcy or you from Mary to or no, yeah,
Speaker 1: the race. And I'm source money to correct source money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's the funniest thing. Right when I was googled yesterday,
Speaker 1: I was pulling up the thing, it was like it
Speaker 1: was like almost like the roles is almost reversed, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like at one point, you know, he was
Speaker 1: voicing your opinion, right and you know, got worked out
Speaker 1: or whatever, and I see it, so I said it,
Speaker 1: So suce Money interview popped up. So the sce Money interview,
Speaker 1: he said, he said your jazz. Oh, and he's talking
Speaker 1: about you because at the time and then now it's
Speaker 1: like the roles reversed. Now it's like, you know, you
Speaker 1: you got business with Jay and you're like, you know whatever,
Speaker 1: and now it's so much money, like sitting back and
Speaker 1: he's saying like, oh, Jay didn't do right. I can't
Speaker 1: really understand what what's going on. So I'm just being
Speaker 1: honest from the outside of looking in that trying to
Speaker 1: do my research. But I could tell there's nothing I
Speaker 1: can ever get unless I got your brother standing in
Speaker 1: front of me, what what do you what in your opinion?
Speaker 1: What do you how can you break that situation? Now?
Speaker 1: It's very simple, you know, um, one of the greatest
Speaker 1: axioms I've ever heard is ship happens. Okay. But what
Speaker 1: you say axioms? They need to take that one? What
Speaker 1: the fund? Does that mean that I need that from
Speaker 1: the later text me because I need to use that.
Speaker 1: That was hard right now talking at the same time hard.
Speaker 1: That's hard to make that ship happens okay. But the
Speaker 1: flip side of ship happens is that people react a
Speaker 1: certain way. So the thing that's and that's the key
Speaker 1: to it. Everybody focuses on the ship happens part, but
Speaker 1: nobody focuses on how do you respond to certain things? So,
Speaker 1: like you said, similar circumstances, right roles, reverse different responses.
Speaker 1: Keep it right there, y'all think all of y'all get it,
Speaker 1: And we need to have some money here to it
Speaker 1: to take you know. I'm I'm gonna be honest, I
Speaker 1: don't know where this rumor started up. We wouldn't that
Speaker 1: he's been black balled for drinks. Absolutely not true at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, no one will tell you the tooth. No
Speaker 1: one in this deal. And we've just because we've only
Speaker 1: been in this deal, like not even a year. No title,
Speaker 1: everybody tell you the truth. The first people Title has
Speaker 1: ever called for is deal. Yeah. They never asked for
Speaker 1: somebody to be on and someone not to be on
Speaker 1: that never they have, never the first time. That's why
Speaker 1: I was impressed. I was like, this is dumb. I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, me knowing the history because
Speaker 1: that's something I would like to do for trash something
Speaker 1: you know, Trash actually put me on. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We had our descriptancies and we still have
Speaker 1: our descriptcy. I'll still seeing ship and be like this
Speaker 1: nigg is out of his mind, but he's mama. And
Speaker 1: I was like, that's that's real ship because it's one
Speaker 1: thing that you're doing business and it's a whole another
Speaker 1: thing that's to reach out and make ship happen. And that,
Speaker 1: to me, I have to applaud that. Let's applaud that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a flawed that. But now now, because
Speaker 1: now where does the original flavor come in? They come
Speaker 1: in with Dame dash. Oh, that's why they hall of
Speaker 1: Names right right, okay, and actually yeah but actually um
Speaker 1: Ski is from North Carolina, but he was he was
Speaker 1: living in Harlem. So hold on, that's that's that's not
Speaker 1: totally different, completely different is different? Yeah yeah, ok yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah. See that's where Dame Dash comes in.
Speaker 1: That's because probably to that there was no Dame that
Speaker 1: there was no bigs right when you and okay, all right,
Speaker 1: so this is this is good ship. It's good ship
Speaker 1: for hipoply Gas. So yeah, so, um so actually one
Speaker 1: of your previous guests, um Clark Kent, introduced Dame Dash
Speaker 1: to Jay and then me and the rest of us
Speaker 1: and give you a little uh something. Y'all might not
Speaker 1: have known that. Um, the whole set up originally was
Speaker 1: for Jay, myself and Sauce. We were a group and
Speaker 1: we actually the name of the group, yeah, Paul's hard Pack,
Speaker 1: hard Pack. There was a game in Miami careed hard Packs. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that I was about to ask you with you
Speaker 1: and j ever a group too, what was it the originators?
Speaker 1: A no, no, that was just the record. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: but hard pack. Let's take it from the hard Pack.
Speaker 1: I like it. So so we did about we did
Speaker 1: about I know, I'm gonna get calls behind. Um. So
Speaker 1: we did about we did about six or seven songs together.
Speaker 1: Um and uh, you know, Clark produced something, Ski produced
Speaker 1: a couple. I produced a couple. And just to be
Speaker 1: clear again, so everybody knows it's Jay Sauce money and
Speaker 1: you Yeah, that's hard pack. Yeah, I just want to
Speaker 1: make sure. So Jay Z gotta relax. Just black his
Speaker 1: face out for the rest of the evers. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna be that hard. Just stop. I'm not doing it
Speaker 1: for you. Uh So. So, UM, there were slight descraping
Speaker 1: seeds as far as like, um, you know, the decision
Speaker 1: was sort of made that you know, Dane would would manager,
Speaker 1: so he wanted everybody to sign and um to Rocket
Speaker 1: Feller to Dane, to Dame's management, like to sign to
Speaker 1: him his management, and everybody didn't want to do it.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't feel like I should do it.
Speaker 1: It had nothing to do with um my report with Dane,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It was just something that
Speaker 1: I felt didn't do. Yeah, and I think at that
Speaker 1: time Sauce felt the same way. So that's what happened
Speaker 1: with that. But um, but yeah, that was the that
Speaker 1: was the beginning of that, Clark uh introduced all of us.
Speaker 1: You guys had records though, is that six right? I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say records, I'd say recordings. Where they are? I
Speaker 1: don't know wherever they are? Police surface, Yeah, I got yeah,
Speaker 1: you know if you like ster Rynds, Buster Rounds got
Speaker 1: DA's from eight. Do you ever hang out with Busting
Speaker 1: round your listen? He is crazy? He having the he'd
Speaker 1: be having the old school dats. I'll be wanting to say, yo,
Speaker 1: how the fund? Do you even remember where he sent
Speaker 1: his at like I'm doing. You never seen? He has
Speaker 1: the rails, he has everything. But I'm sorry to cut
Speaker 1: you off. No, no, it's cool, it's cool. So you
Speaker 1: don't know what these records exists at all? No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: some engineer is somewhere like this, somebody whatever. So it
Speaker 1: just didn't make for a good joke. You know, that's
Speaker 1: the hard packer. I definitely definitely that's hard man, that's hard.
Speaker 1: That's hard. But um so now this London trip, right,
Speaker 1: it's so it's so iconic because we get to hear
Speaker 1: Jay even talk about like him going to London or whatever,
Speaker 1: but ironically this London trip he actually went with you.
Speaker 1: He was like, so came you to describe that for
Speaker 1: the people, because the people, I mean, that's dope when
Speaker 1: they see j and the Beama and it's like his history.
Speaker 1: But it's it's it's it's it's dope and it's humbling
Speaker 1: to know that that. When I found out, I was like,
Speaker 1: it was actually a trip that jazz oh from Jay
Speaker 1: So so you could describe that. Yeah, So it was
Speaker 1: the um you know, it was I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't well, I know why. I just don't want to
Speaker 1: bro you know, do that to people. But we we
Speaker 1: went to London to record my album, so it was myself,
Speaker 1: J and RV Gotti and still the m R. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this was yeah, this was Goody told us that it
Speaker 1: was so yeah, so we um. So we were there
Speaker 1: for like two months. EARV got homesick, he broke out
Speaker 1: and we stayed. But it was it was a very
Speaker 1: good experience. Besides the food, you didn't know how to
Speaker 1: eat rot back there. I couldn't find a rollti. They
Speaker 1: wouldn't take us to it. They wouldn't take us to
Speaker 1: Brixton because photographers from London. Yeah, my first time, that's
Speaker 1: the first thing they said they said, go see the
Speaker 1: roster them and I went straight to the roster on them.
Speaker 1: Now they told us, they told us go to the
Speaker 1: studio because they know, you know what I'm saying, go
Speaker 1: to the studio. We went to the y you know
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, play some ball and back. You know.
Speaker 1: I did have a flat in this affluent area somewhere.
Speaker 1: I don't know where the hell we were, but we
Speaker 1: were living good. But uh so, um that that was.
Speaker 1: That wasn't a very great experience. It was. I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe it, and I really I really couldn't grasp what
Speaker 1: was going on until I had an actual um release
Speaker 1: uh celebration shan you know, uh you know really for
Speaker 1: the completion of the album in London, and we were
Speaker 1: in a Cadillac stretch, which was almost like having a
Speaker 1: Bentley stretch at that time. Here that was a ghost
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So basically, um, then it
Speaker 1: hit me. I was like I'm doing it, you know,
Speaker 1: because the whole time it's just like regular ship on
Speaker 1: me Irvan j We clowning around ship. We go to
Speaker 1: this this restaurant every Wednesday and we run into all
Speaker 1: types of people that's coming through like I'm at Anita
Speaker 1: Baker out there, Keith Sweat came out there, George duke
Speaker 1: Man Live forever, um. So yeah, so it was it
Speaker 1: was a great experience. But that's when I realized I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, oh, this ship is real hip hop
Speaker 1: and go it could really go exactly now you fort
Speaker 1: to have jay Z on your cover? This is your album?
Speaker 1: What made you? What made you say that? Like, Yo,
Speaker 1: that's that's who? Then are you saying yeah, Like I
Speaker 1: wasn't the label. This is what I heard. The label
Speaker 1: was like, what this is your album? You should be
Speaker 1: on here solo? And what I heard you said that
Speaker 1: this is what I want to do. But I just
Speaker 1: want to hear from your mouth, like is that was
Speaker 1: my bro? You know? And I felt like, let's make
Speaker 1: some noise f man ship the real ship and I
Speaker 1: st me stop you because poison't doing that at the time.
Speaker 1: I you've seen it with Ray and Ghosts, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you didn't know that came from here, that this was.
Speaker 1: That was the first time someone put like every now
Speaker 1: and then these pody see somebody with their HOMEBOARLD, their
Speaker 1: dancers or their dances or somebody like that. You never
Speaker 1: see somebody d D but was in a group together.
Speaker 1: First I've ever seen the artists have another artist on
Speaker 1: their couple. What's this? This is? This is the first time.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm you know, and I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I didn't remember. I remember you being the first one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all I remember. Goddam, I remember I got there. Okay,
Speaker 1: So here just the three years agree where I was
Speaker 1: just asking, like, what made you want to do that?
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean, that's just who I am. Man,
Speaker 1: I can't help it, Like you know, I'm not it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's intellect behind it. It's like he deserved it.
Speaker 1: And I felt like, damn all this bullshit I gotta
Speaker 1: go through or that I went through to get to
Speaker 1: that point. You know, he shouldn't have to go through that,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So if I can make
Speaker 1: it easy show his face and everybody like, well, what
Speaker 1: does he do this time? I was like, she wrong,
Speaker 1: you know, And so I basically that was just how
Speaker 1: it was. You know, I didn't have I didn't have
Speaker 1: like a steady DJ. So I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: and I could be on here by myself, but that's
Speaker 1: not that's just not how I feel about myself. And
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, our greatest value is our
Speaker 1: value too up. Yeah, I'll you know whoever you whoever,
Speaker 1: you express yourself too, and you know that to me,
Speaker 1: that's your value. And I just that's what I was
Speaker 1: just compelled to do, and I told I fought for it.
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, that's my man. And it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna have problems if he ain't on
Speaker 1: them on the album, least on the back. They didn't
Speaker 1: put him on the front, but on the back, it's like,
Speaker 1: y'all gonna have problems. I'm not gonna cooperate and you
Speaker 1: already gave me money. Let's let's salute to that man.
Speaker 1: Come on, that'slute. That expect that meet a lot, like
Speaker 1: a lot of them, tell your something. I know I
Speaker 1: said it off camera, but I had to meet you
Speaker 1: a lot that saying diego. I still haven't stopped shipping
Speaker 1: from that from nine years ago, my bro because to
Speaker 1: my boy cows. But I ain't gonna front. That's how
Speaker 1: quiet taste, right. I think a rapper mixes brand as
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, the rapper from the West. I
Speaker 1: think it's something that shot I got, I got a
Speaker 1: shot at me. I want to that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: That is not gonna happen, Sarah, We're gonna do a shot.
Speaker 1: Come on, let's do a shot something. I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: I gotta take my swetter off now to compone. You know,
Speaker 1: a Cossi clothing. Jesus, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: gotta support your homie. So um, alright, it's gonna start sweating.
Speaker 1: We gotta start remember learning how to make sweaters without
Speaker 1: the ship that stick to your ship. I just put
Speaker 1: this shot on one time. Come on, remember there, it's
Speaker 1: limited now, there's no more, no more time, especially with
Speaker 1: the corona of virus. Ship got the stretcher, right, So listen,
Speaker 1: let me just tell you something. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you know, but our show is about bigging all legends up,
Speaker 1: you know, every other every other culture. When you have
Speaker 1: ten years or more, they call you season. There's people
Speaker 1: right now getting seventy years old, having contracts and touring
Speaker 1: the mother phone world and continue, and they call them season.
Speaker 1: And our culture. No other culture is a word called
Speaker 1: washed up. Only our culture. And I fucking hate that
Speaker 1: me personally. I want to I want to say that
Speaker 1: we are legends and we are superheroes, and we're going
Speaker 1: to continue to motherfucking keep our legends and our superheroes
Speaker 1: alive and keep your motherfucking relevant. That's what this show
Speaker 1: was about. So we celebrate your life, we celebrate your legacy,
Speaker 1: and we celebrate your career. And that's what the fun
Speaker 1: Job said. So little old Sunny you got a shot?
Speaker 1: Why you got the shot there today? I hope I
Speaker 1: got a stretch over there for you. We just drink
Speaker 1: virus the way you gave me the broken Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: let's stop with the coronavirus. That's it too close in
Speaker 1: my hood? Yeah, that's it was late. That's called tiger bones.
Speaker 1: Actually it's actually a herb. It's actually not supposed to
Speaker 1: be many herbs. It's not just one. Yeah yeah, but
Speaker 1: you see one shot. That's we're supposed to do it.
Speaker 1: So now now the rumor is, you know you want
Speaker 1: you want jail, you're good Originators drop one of the
Speaker 1: illest records. First, I'll subscribe that, like, because this is
Speaker 1: the first time you see your man like like he's
Speaker 1: shining and then he comes and he puts you on.
Speaker 1: Originators is that how that or I'm missing a couple
Speaker 1: of things. No, No, it was we you know, it
Speaker 1: was during that that time and you know he was
Speaker 1: bubbling and uh, you know, I guess the idea came up,
Speaker 1: and I think that, um, they felt it inappropriate to
Speaker 1: do a song like that, and it would be, um,
Speaker 1: it would just be bigger to have me on song.
Speaker 1: Oh you know what I'm saying. Um, so you know,
Speaker 1: love is love and you know he called me, I'm
Speaker 1: actually I'm actually writing a book, um that that gives
Speaker 1: the account, you know, the backstory to all the events
Speaker 1: leading up the student. You gotta have a script to
Speaker 1: that book. Well, actually it's it's gonna be. Um, it's
Speaker 1: a volume of um what I foresee as numerous volumes,
Speaker 1: and it's basically gonna be like an analyzation of some
Speaker 1: of my landmark versus and gives lessons in poetic license
Speaker 1: like MoDiP is similarly metaphors. That's the right time to
Speaker 1: say that, you know, because we want to tell you,
Speaker 1: because the right time to do ship like that, because
Speaker 1: content if you produce that ship or you produce it
Speaker 1: and just you know what he's saying the book right
Speaker 1: now that like me personally, I'm not a read book
Speaker 1: a round. You know what I'm saying, Like watched the
Speaker 1: Ship out of something, though you watched I watched the
Speaker 1: ship and watch my next movie wait more than I
Speaker 1: read your books. But I love the book to man. Listen.
Speaker 1: I'm not in the audio books yet. Okay, I'm not
Speaker 1: into it yet. I feel like I'm gonna get into
Speaker 1: it eventually, but I feel like I gotta go back
Speaker 1: to reading some more. I'm reading Message to the Millennials.
Speaker 1: UM's it Islam came he um, and he gave me
Speaker 1: a book. I read the front praise today. I felt good,
Speaker 1: um yeah, but then I realized the color. Yeah I read.
Speaker 1: I read that. I read the one page and then
Speaker 1: I read the back. I said stuck start start started,
Speaker 1: and we yeah yeah. So okay, so what what what? What?
Speaker 1: All right? What is your favor it thing in hip hop?
Speaker 1: Is it making the record or performing the record? Mm
Speaker 1: hmm ma. That's that's a tough one. But I will
Speaker 1: I will say performing the record. And the reason why
Speaker 1: I say that is because it's you well know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you know what works exactly? You're gonna stand
Speaker 1: in the way, but you know, as we all know
Speaker 1: everybody doesn't really perform to the same extent as they're recording.
Speaker 1: So to me, it's sort of like a crown achievement
Speaker 1: when you could get on stage and you could give
Speaker 1: it up the same way that ship sound on the record.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, it's special and it's special
Speaker 1: and it's unique because everybody can't do it. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody can't do it. So like I've always prided myself
Speaker 1: on that on breath control, like all the technical ship
Speaker 1: that you know, nobody gives a funk about when they
Speaker 1: listen to a record, like, oh that ship banging when
Speaker 1: it's in the club, and just do the other on
Speaker 1: his riding music. That's all they're thinking about. That's all
Speaker 1: they're supposed to think about. Your job is to do
Speaker 1: all of the other things, the intangibles that make the
Speaker 1: record what it is that makes them not think about
Speaker 1: any of that ship. You know, that's that's ill because
Speaker 1: that's you know again, you know, I could take this
Speaker 1: young generation because I have to write. And that's the
Speaker 1: difference between their music and all music is you can
Speaker 1: tell we didn't punch in. You can tell we didn't
Speaker 1: have the technology the technology to go, you know, stop this,
Speaker 1: and that's why you see these guys, they all they
Speaker 1: flows and going like this, and it's it's not that
Speaker 1: they're going, which is exactly that's imps. And that was
Speaker 1: my next question. It's ever been somebody who was scared
Speaker 1: to say I don't I don't want to perform after him?
Speaker 1: Oh hell no, never, never, never ever got to make
Speaker 1: some noise for that. I mean on stage, stage, stage, stage, okay, club,
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk. You're that confidence, I'm jazz.
Speaker 1: Oh right right right after the way this, I gotta
Speaker 1: ask you that right now you're getting a record withhold.
Speaker 1: Right now, you're taking whole head off. I ain't trying
Speaker 1: to take his head off. I'm saying that you ain't
Speaker 1: trying to take his head off. You just playing. But
Speaker 1: now he's gonna he's gonna put his best foot forward
Speaker 1: and put my best foot forward. I got. I got
Speaker 1: great confidence in myself and I got great confidence in him.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've told people like it's like y'all
Speaker 1: think is sleeping, like you know, like it's it's so
Speaker 1: crazy like for what we here, like he's still that
Speaker 1: far beyond the nine percent. How you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and you gotta you gotta respect it. And and now
Speaker 1: that's one thing I did for see. I was like,
Speaker 1: as long as he maintains his normal health and everything
Speaker 1: like that, he's gonna be able to go. You're gonna
Speaker 1: always be able to go. And you know, Nigga is young,
Speaker 1: middle age old whatever, like they still like I hear
Speaker 1: stuff I don't. And I'm gonna tell you right now,
Speaker 1: I don't really listen to too much ship. I barely
Speaker 1: listened to my own ship. And like, I don't really
Speaker 1: see nobody you know, fucking with him like that. And
Speaker 1: if they do, they need to turn off all of
Speaker 1: the auto tune and the super punchings and all that
Speaker 1: other ship. We don't have no punch of Like, so
Speaker 1: what timing was off is like, nah, I gotta do that.
Speaker 1: You don't remember that ship eighteen pounds right? And it
Speaker 1: was crazy. I used to be in D and D
Speaker 1: where they had like, um, you know, they had sessions
Speaker 1: where they had like you know, house music and ship
Speaker 1: like that. So you know these little parts where Nigga's
Speaker 1: going Nigga with the motherfucking um raised the blade yea,
Speaker 1: Like I saw this one cat I can't remember his name.
Speaker 1: He had like if somebody, if somebody slammed the door,
Speaker 1: like he probably killed him. But because he had, like yo,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, they had like thirty little slithers that
Speaker 1: he had lined up that he had to take, you
Speaker 1: know on as an edit you know, to do some
Speaker 1: ill last crazy you know. You know. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: saying when these kids be like I did, I did
Speaker 1: the record that like it sounds like you did, Yo.
Speaker 1: I think I sit in five minutes. I know you
Speaker 1: put no affort at all, and your engineer didn't care.
Speaker 1: Just aside, like they just aside. The engineer said, D
Speaker 1: and D shout out to Premiere. You work with Premiere, right, Oh,
Speaker 1: most definitely. Yeah, you know, I'm just you know, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying it for the Premiere produce one of the
Speaker 1: jay Z disc records. This is awkward. Let's just be clear.
Speaker 1: I mean that we got to talk about it, I believe,
Speaker 1: so that's popped up so as I don't know, because
Speaker 1: like I said, you had so many beach you just
Speaker 1: go yeah, and then I don't really really kid man,
Speaker 1: like I was, I was more listening to that stuff
Speaker 1: like I would listen less to anybody else. If I
Speaker 1: was tracking ship, I would be tracking who was listening
Speaker 1: to my ship? You know, however that sounded, it is
Speaker 1: what it is, and what was the actual discrepancy because
Speaker 1: everyone when you when you google, like I said, I
Speaker 1: had to do my research, and it's great that I
Speaker 1: was like kind of like, you know, out of it yesterday,
Speaker 1: so I had all the time to keep going. And
Speaker 1: one of the stories it says, um that it was
Speaker 1: over a contract. Nay. The truth of the matter is,
Speaker 1: and I hate to burst a lot of people's bubble,
Speaker 1: but it really wasn't anything. It was between the media
Speaker 1: and certain crab as bullshit weak motherfucker's in the circle.
Speaker 1: That was basically it, you know, saying saying certain things
Speaker 1: like all right, I give you example, like like um,
Speaker 1: and I'm not, I'm not I'm not boosting myself. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this egotistically, but I'm I'm sincere to
Speaker 1: a fault sometimes because I give people too much credit.
Speaker 1: So like if somebody says something or they'll say it
Speaker 1: to me and they're disgrunted about something, and then it's like,
Speaker 1: all right, that's confidential. I respect it. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So then if somebody, if you turn around
Speaker 1: and the same person that said that to me goes
Speaker 1: to the person and and they say something about me
Speaker 1: and then say and try to fix what they said,
Speaker 1: and then the person that they're talking to comes back
Speaker 1: to me, then I gotta let it go because the
Speaker 1: same thing you're asking me to do, you ain't do it.
Speaker 1: You just you you know what I'm saying. You just
Speaker 1: let that ship loose. So it's like, nah, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna do it to the point where I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: a blow for you and make myself look a certain way.
Speaker 1: So it's like I'm gonna give it up. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. This is what happened, is what happened.
Speaker 1: You can put the nigga on the phone right now,
Speaker 1: I'm and say the same ship that I'm saying in
Speaker 1: your face right now. So I'm sincere to a fault.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of niggas around that time
Speaker 1: in that circle, they ain't like that. They ain't like that.
Speaker 1: And then you know some of them niggas, it was
Speaker 1: just bitch ass niggas. They just wanted to be closer
Speaker 1: to this dude, and they knew that there was nobody
Speaker 1: closer to him than me because we was bros. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And that you know, that's just
Speaker 1: that was that's it. That was just it. I don't
Speaker 1: want to name names because I don't want nobody coming
Speaker 1: at me and then I gotta hurt somebody, somebody hurt me.
Speaker 1: I'm not impervious to paint to to to um injury,
Speaker 1: but I am almost yet. But you know, it's it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful to see men be men, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Because the thing about it is they say,
Speaker 1: how you come in is how you go out? Right.
Speaker 1: If you come in, you come in butt nicking, and
Speaker 1: how you go out you go out. But Nick, and
Speaker 1: the thing is if you can, you know, make amends
Speaker 1: of the people you started with and y'all can get
Speaker 1: some money together and do some business together, that's a
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. So like, how did that like how did
Speaker 1: that comes seen? The first picture I believe was with
Speaker 1: no I d yeah, so um And I don't know
Speaker 1: I forget where that was that. I figured that first
Speaker 1: picture in Chicago, Okay, okay, and he's from from from
Speaker 1: the show so how did that happen? Like, because well
Speaker 1: there was tell you something, not not the only the
Speaker 1: industry was shocked, but they were happy. It's like the
Speaker 1: first time they was like oh yes, like finally like
Speaker 1: like you know, all the Jay's discrepancies, we you know,
Speaker 1: we we can see without but this was something that
Speaker 1: I think everyone was just like that's dope, Like this
Speaker 1: is like sincerely a dope thing. Now the business part
Speaker 1: was later, but let's subscribe that first picture when we've
Speaker 1: seen it was you j and no idea. This is
Speaker 1: for years of termoil going on in that boom. This
Speaker 1: is it. Yeah. So for um, firstly, there was somebody
Speaker 1: I was doing some business with in Chicago who's from Chicago. Um,
Speaker 1: they're actually from Detroit, but they live in Chicago, and
Speaker 1: you know, one of their main things was to put
Speaker 1: us together. And I was like that's cool, that's great,
Speaker 1: but you know, let me let me press the button
Speaker 1: on that. So they just jumped the gun, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it's the perfect opportunity. This is
Speaker 1: that and the other. So I'm like I'm a half
Speaker 1: the least resistance guy, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I was like all right, let's see what happens. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I'm not worried. So um so
Speaker 1: he said he you know, he talked actually talked to
Speaker 1: uh Emery Jones, so homie. Yeah, so we so we
Speaker 1: basically he so Emery set it up and um so
Speaker 1: we got you know, we went to will Call and
Speaker 1: we met in the green room and it was just
Speaker 1: regular ship. Like I ain't seen him since last month
Speaker 1: or something like that. He's like jazz, It's like Jay
Speaker 1: was good, you know, handshake, hug. I could literally see
Speaker 1: this going on, but literally and and and it was
Speaker 1: it was. It was beautiful. It was beautiful. Um, And
Speaker 1: I always liked my chances with ships, so I didn't
Speaker 1: expect any I didn't expect anything negative, you know, because
Speaker 1: I mean everything was you know, I wouldn't have got
Speaker 1: that fall if it was you know, something was you know, right.
Speaker 1: But um, the beautiful part about it was, Um, he
Speaker 1: just stood in front of me and you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't say much, and he didn't say much, but he
Speaker 1: just went like this, and I was like, that said everything.
Speaker 1: And I was like that takes me off the hook
Speaker 1: because now I ain't gotta be awkward and say anything
Speaker 1: and ship and he ain't gotta say nothing. So we
Speaker 1: just thought some yes, what you've been up tune? You know,
Speaker 1: a little ship, you know, nudges and ship like that.
Speaker 1: You know, so it was beautiful. Now I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: lie act the same and just being honest with you
Speaker 1: like like like like it's it's the smoothness that's with you.
Speaker 1: It's the same smoothness like you can tell like I
Speaker 1: knew you weren't gonna yell this whole interview. I like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like that's like that's the
Speaker 1: good thing. Like I said, I was just sold exhausted
Speaker 1: that I don't want to subscribe myself as being sick yesterday,
Speaker 1: but I was like I was exhausted, But the good
Speaker 1: thing was I can still move my motherfucking fingers. So
Speaker 1: I just kept watching everything like I watched everything about you,
Speaker 1: like this is the thing is like I get into
Speaker 1: our when I'm out the interview you, I'm you like
Speaker 1: that's how much like I want to be in Cotnegro,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And I just knew. And
Speaker 1: the crazy thing is is that a marsy thing like
Speaker 1: with y'all y'all, y'alln't blow y'all cool now, It's it's
Speaker 1: not that because I mean I know a lot of
Speaker 1: things like I got like, yo, man, chill out, they
Speaker 1: just said what's up? But no, I think sometimes, I
Speaker 1: mean it's an expression of our own egos when you
Speaker 1: coming into contact with someone and you tend to, um,
Speaker 1: you know, you have kendred spirits, So you like, I
Speaker 1: like that, dude, he's cool. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's because you see the things that you like about
Speaker 1: yourself and somebody else. So I think that has a
Speaker 1: lot to do with it. And then around that time
Speaker 1: up until like for so many years, like we were
Speaker 1: around each other all the time, so it would be
Speaker 1: times where somebody would say something and we would respond
Speaker 1: with the same phrase at the same exact time that type.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, maybe you know it resonates to this
Speaker 1: day in some form of fashion. So then after you
Speaker 1: got to see each other, Um, how does this business
Speaker 1: deal happen? How does this happen? Because you know you
Speaker 1: gotta see each other, that's great. Just making amends, That's
Speaker 1: that's good enough. Like for me, like, yeah, you know, um,
Speaker 1: if I have be for one of them a while
Speaker 1: ago too. When that happened, right like like two or
Speaker 1: three years ago, I think something like that. But then
Speaker 1: now this deal is announced, your imprint, this is your
Speaker 1: ship right, correct me if I'm wrong, and it's a
Speaker 1: it's a distribution deal. Yes, it's a distribution deal. So
Speaker 1: how does this happen? Like? Well, I mean it really
Speaker 1: wasn't that complicated. Um, this happened. Um months later. This
Speaker 1: was on the On the Run Too tour and he
Speaker 1: was in Detroit and so I told him, I said,
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I was doing some business in
Speaker 1: Detroit around the time, because one of my people told me,
Speaker 1: he's like, yo, you know, um, same time you in Detroit.
Speaker 1: You know your man is gonna be out there. I
Speaker 1: was like word. I was like, so, let me see
Speaker 1: what's going on. And then UM like yeah, man'd be
Speaker 1: great to see you. And he was like, yeah, that's perfect.
Speaker 1: So you know, same ship will call and we were
Speaker 1: chopping it up and you know, he was just doing
Speaker 1: this thing, relaxing, um. But he kept asking me like, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's up, what you're doing, what's going on? You know?
Speaker 1: And I was you know, I'm usually very transparent, but
Speaker 1: I wasn't you know, And you know, I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just but I did tell the truth. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You know, I still you know, doing music.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm waiting for the right opportunity, you know,
Speaker 1: to to make certain things happen. Press some buttons. And
Speaker 1: he was like all right, So he let it go.
Speaker 1: He saw that I was sort of being a little
Speaker 1: bit evasive. But long story short, you know, he was saying, um,
Speaker 1: he was about to you know, prepare for you know,
Speaker 1: the stage and everything, you know, so I basically pull
Speaker 1: them to the side and chop it up with you
Speaker 1: for a second, like you know. And I asked him.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I know you got you know,
Speaker 1: this this strow and this that and the other, and
Speaker 1: that's what I needs. Like can you help me with that?
Speaker 1: He was like saying, no more. Ill connect you with
Speaker 1: my people now. Is it a goddamn at that moment
Speaker 1: you had to humble yourself to do that or not.
Speaker 1: Because some people feel like egotistical, they can't do it.
Speaker 1: They can't ego is a big thing. They can't go
Speaker 1: in Like some people can't can't remember their little homies.
Speaker 1: Turn it into the big homie, you can't see you
Speaker 1: you even though you see opportunity, you won't go for
Speaker 1: the opportunity because the ego is in the way of it.
Speaker 1: Like I can't do that because of this pride I have. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: but I mean I looked at the big picture, like
Speaker 1: you know, opportunity knocks, you know, and and also um,
Speaker 1: and deserving as well, because you could even be deserving
Speaker 1: and not take the shot because of the pride, right right,
Speaker 1: and and I felt like, um, and I still feel
Speaker 1: that way. Um. You know, people say like, oh, it's great,
Speaker 1: you know these things that are happening. You deserve it.
Speaker 1: And I and I stopped him, and I tell them, like,
Speaker 1: I don't deserve the ship unless I take it. You know,
Speaker 1: it could be I could have all these accolades and
Speaker 1: all that ship, but if I don't get it, I
Speaker 1: don't deserve it, what I'm saying. So that's and and
Speaker 1: I you know, that's when I just asked them. And
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't it wasn't a big thing for
Speaker 1: him to do, and it wasn't a big thing for
Speaker 1: me to ask. You know what I'm saying. That's a
Speaker 1: beautiful thing though. Let me just say that outside of
Speaker 1: looking at it. You know what I'm saying, I mean
Speaker 1: because um to me, to me, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1: Man like you know, um, I know your brothers are brothers.
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying. That history y'all got
Speaker 1: so rich that it's like that's rich, that that's rich
Speaker 1: in itself. That's the definition that rich to me is
Speaker 1: when you have the rich history, when you have that
Speaker 1: type of ship like that, and um to see it
Speaker 1: coming back together in three sixty yeah yeah, hell yeah,
Speaker 1: hell yeah, that's that's motherfucking dope ship. So I just
Speaker 1: want to commend that. I want to salute that. I
Speaker 1: want to salute you. I want to thank you for
Speaker 1: being a part. But we ain't gonna be in there.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm gonna take some more. No, no
Speaker 1: more shots, right yeah, one of one more? But then
Speaker 1: you know three is my lucky number. We could do
Speaker 1: one more. I heard you how you running up and
Speaker 1: down the beach. I can't take to me because it's
Speaker 1: scarce right now, okay, all right, well, so um now
Speaker 1: when you see you come from the era, I know,
Speaker 1: I know this little crazy we well you come from
Speaker 1: error and then I come from the error right after you,
Speaker 1: where we avoided cameras at all costs exactly, like it
Speaker 1: was just totally different. Like now you walk around, these
Speaker 1: people are just filming you without how do you adapt
Speaker 1: self surveillance now, like everyone Jesus you don't like me
Speaker 1: and so gave me that. That's okay, I'll take it
Speaker 1: down times tonight. But how do you adapt to that
Speaker 1: like that? I mean with me. You come from the
Speaker 1: super drug dealer era and and and I don't know, yes,
Speaker 1: super drunk, you know what I mean. And no one
Speaker 1: wanted cameras. I don't know when people will be heated
Speaker 1: you take a picture of them. But so so so
Speaker 1: two stories. One as a child, like it was like
Speaker 1: I never like and I had like one of those
Speaker 1: fathers is like trying to you know, just calling you,
Speaker 1: bribe you into it, like come on, let's take this picture.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't want to take a picture.
Speaker 1: You like, I get your quarter. You know back then
Speaker 1: quarter was like ten dollars a lot, so you know, um,
Speaker 1: back then the bag was down. Else said that, so um,
Speaker 1: so I don't really want to see a type of bone.
Speaker 1: That's what you cheated, not to you know, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: so as I got older, like yeah, you know, with
Speaker 1: the with the things going on, like nobody wants wanted
Speaker 1: to be in pictures and what was so funny? I
Speaker 1: just recently UM shot the video for the first single
Speaker 1: uh M A R C Y And of course I
Speaker 1: shot it in Marcy and you know, some of the
Speaker 1: ogs came out and I was like, yo, y'all want
Speaker 1: to getting this shot and he's like, now you gotta do.
Speaker 1: I'm like, come on, man, a hundred years old, you
Speaker 1: can like you're still You're still do it. Ain't even
Speaker 1: that it's that cold they exactly, it's the cold. They
Speaker 1: fall like cold. My code is keeps a lotting my brothers,
Speaker 1: my people in there. I literally got the biggest shot
Speaker 1: here now I am here. Now will be little on
Speaker 1: the plane. Lassy projects got you, you got jail, you
Speaker 1: got source, you gotta fleek. What's the new generation coming from? Right?
Speaker 1: Because you because I understand your dealer is a label
Speaker 1: dere Yeah, well you can sign other people, correct, you
Speaker 1: can have other people to distribution there excuse me, Okay,
Speaker 1: no problem, let's talk about might just so weg wine
Speaker 1: that that's the only thing that makes it work less,
Speaker 1: drink some more like I'm sorry to be honest, I
Speaker 1: mean I'm game. Okay, let's do it so you can
Speaker 1: actually sign other people. What what would you look for
Speaker 1: in a new artist? Would you go back to Marcy?
Speaker 1: Or what would you do if I got to? Okay,
Speaker 1: I have to because so many, so many people fail
Speaker 1: where they where they come from, like and for us,
Speaker 1: that's a large that's that's a big part. It's an
Speaker 1: integral part of what we are is where we came from.
Speaker 1: So it's important to go back to where you came from,
Speaker 1: find what you are or what you were, and and
Speaker 1: nurture that. It's like helping yourself and if you could
Speaker 1: have that, you're trying to that for somebody else. Right,
Speaker 1: it's the key to being a master and the servant.
Speaker 1: Like people look at a master and not realize that
Speaker 1: a true master is to serving the vote. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it's so you know, so it
Speaker 1: just keeps going in the cycle for the most part.
Speaker 1: So that was hard. A true master is a servant.
Speaker 1: You can't really be that guy unless you serve someone else.
Speaker 1: That's so, what's the next step? So now we got
Speaker 1: the deal? You say you gotta take it. M hmmm.
Speaker 1: So what's the next step from man, Um, just push
Speaker 1: the hell out of this single project. You gotta tell
Speaker 1: us about the project project. The project is called the
Speaker 1: warm Up, which is more controversy. If anybody familiar with
Speaker 1: you know another project that which is out now by
Speaker 1: the time this comes out, it's out now. People need
Speaker 1: to go pick it up now. Yes, UM, all all
Speaker 1: major platforms. Um it's ten joints. UM. I recently had
Speaker 1: a a listening party in Chicago that turned out really well,
Speaker 1: and UM, the consensus of what I'm getting is everybody saying, Yo,
Speaker 1: it sounds like a motion picture and you remember your thought.
Speaker 1: But you real hip hop? You're not. You're not you know,
Speaker 1: you don't got t pain on your ship, but do
Speaker 1: mean nothing pains not hipp not not pain, not real
Speaker 1: hip hop. I'm not a rapper, but I'm not. But
Speaker 1: you know the atal tune. What I mean, you ain't know,
Speaker 1: you ain't got you ain't got a future joking about um,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Lane gay not one. And
Speaker 1: that's that's no disrespect to anybody, no disrespecting myself. You
Speaker 1: gotta keep it. It's authentic to you. Yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: how difficult is that? Because making music and this time,
Speaker 1: do you try to cater to these new guys or
Speaker 1: do you say, funck these motherfucker's Let me stay in
Speaker 1: my lane? Well, what do we say? My The saying
Speaker 1: I always say to myself is is stick to my guns.
Speaker 1: When people ask earlier correlatively, ship happens? What was it
Speaker 1: called that word or axiom? What axiom? Axiom? What's the
Speaker 1: axiom for this one? Stick to your guns? Stick to
Speaker 1: your motherfucking comes the axiome? Goddamnit. So you kept hip hop? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I kept what I feel is hip hop. You know,
Speaker 1: I had to give them that triplet ship and then
Speaker 1: double up ship, which is ahead of his time when
Speaker 1: you did it, like, if you were ahead of your time,
Speaker 1: then doesn't mean you can't be ahead of your time now,
Speaker 1: because let's let's be clear. Let's be clear. If you
Speaker 1: listen to originators and you hear how y'all motherfucker's was
Speaker 1: hitting the cadence is a lot of people will call
Speaker 1: that like a down stoup style. They will say that,
Speaker 1: you know, all that flowed it was a certain rhyme style,
Speaker 1: and that's I kind of feel like that song was
Speaker 1: even called the Originators, that's why. And I'm not and
Speaker 1: that's not to douns out people because downshop people actually
Speaker 1: what I'm different. But when you when a person trying
Speaker 1: to do down South actual flow, I feel like they
Speaker 1: go when they like listen to Originators. Am I don't
Speaker 1: line for saying that or no, okay, no, that's the
Speaker 1: to me, that's the um, that's the foundation because wasn't
Speaker 1: nobody doing it. I think I think people say down
Speaker 1: South flow because of outcast who made that that south.
Speaker 1: I think down South more popular, but down South flow
Speaker 1: was really an accent of down South. When I say that,
Speaker 1: I don't mean down South people doing it. When people
Speaker 1: immulate the down South flow when you this is my
Speaker 1: down South flow, and I kind of feel like like
Speaker 1: they but the original one was the Originators and bucking
Speaker 1: on like nah, it's true, Okay, it's true. That was
Speaker 1: the original one. Um and it was actually the original Originators,
Speaker 1: which was on my second album. You know I had
Speaker 1: that flow back then. Yeah, and and and actually um,
Speaker 1: what that flow was it was a triplet. It was
Speaker 1: a triplet as opposed to like how they double time nowadays.
Speaker 1: It was a triplet style. Yeah, nobody was doing that.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I just felt good about this.
Speaker 1: Hold on. I just didn't want to stop it. Like
Speaker 1: I just like, listen, we are friendly. Didn't put it
Speaker 1: over your no, no, hold on, hold on, this is space.
Speaker 1: We don't put that in the trash. Put it back down,
Speaker 1: put it back We're feeling good. We have motherfucking jazz
Speaker 1: O on the building. Man the Originator, one of the
Speaker 1: super legends. That's what this show was about. Man, the
Speaker 1: show was about. When we started this show, we wanted
Speaker 1: salute legends like you wanted to salute you know. Uh.
Speaker 1: The ellest thing about I always say the illest thing
Speaker 1: about motherfucking Batman. It's Clark Kent, right, that's Batman. No, no,
Speaker 1: that's Superman. That Superman saying by saying that hip hop
Speaker 1: to me is both like hip hop to me is
Speaker 1: is The illest thing about us is the our superhero capability,
Speaker 1: but then our normal capability. And that's what I love
Speaker 1: about our generation is that we just have to continue.
Speaker 1: And the thing is the thing that me and my
Speaker 1: partner we sat here and we thought about we said, Yo, listen, man,
Speaker 1: these people don't salute the people that have been here
Speaker 1: too long. They want to kick these people out and
Speaker 1: I gotta change that. We want to change that, and
Speaker 1: I believe we are changing that. So I just want
Speaker 1: to salute you, Jazz. I want to say how much
Speaker 1: you appreciate it. I want to say how much that
Speaker 1: I You know, I'm a hip hop fan, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I've seen you, Like when I
Speaker 1: seen you know the history, Google everything, and I was
Speaker 1: just like, this is so dope. This is and and
Speaker 1: you know, for you and homie um, you know, to
Speaker 1: start out together, you know, go through, your go through
Speaker 1: and you're coming back together, that is a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: I think this should be a man actified. That's what
Speaker 1: they're called, right. It makes that is bigger magnified. I
Speaker 1: feel I should be magnified. I feel like it should
Speaker 1: be saluted, and I feel like it should be praised.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And if anybody else ain't
Speaker 1: gonna do it, guess what, I'll be very happy to
Speaker 1: be the first one. And you have more than welcome,
Speaker 1: you know, on drink Champs anytime. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You want to promote some other ship, you want to
Speaker 1: go on here, you want to do your motherfucker you know,
Speaker 1: you know this is hip hop. This is what we
Speaker 1: made this for. We made this for legends, and I'll
Speaker 1: be gosh damn if every legend in the world don't
Speaker 1: feel welcome, and your motherfucking if you don't feel it,
Speaker 1: you have the motherfucking pass god damn thing. Let's pitch
Speaker 1: it and take some drops and I'm gonna finish. Thanks
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