1 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: You might need a couple of Christmas Bears to get 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: through this episode. Better be a mad elf because I'm 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: gonna need some high A BV. Did you destroy anything 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: on the side? I didn't, I was I was calm. 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: Where you really or did you l or do something? 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: I didn't really do anything. What do you want me 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: to run on the field and start getting the middle 8 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: of things? Go on, come on, let's go. We need 9 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: to stop here. Let's go. Guard. Welcome into a very 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: depressed lounge, Ryan Garrot Downey. It's a sad state of 11 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: affairs in here. Go ahead. You might need a couple 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: of Christmas Bears to get through this episode. Better be 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: a mad elf because I'm gonna need some high A 14 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: b V. I'll tell you what, Garrett, was not a 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: great Christmas. The only good thing about Christmas, and this 16 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: really speaks to who I am, is all of my 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: gifts this year we're beer. My brother got a lot 18 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: of beer. My wife got me a lot of beer. 19 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: It really says something. Maybe that was a little bit 20 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: of foreshadowing. Are you gonna there gonna be any left 21 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: after the end of this tape? It might be gone 22 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: by the end of this by the end of this episode, 23 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: here we go. Let's crack on open. Yeah, we need 24 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: to tough obviously. You know, the game against Pittsburgh, playoff 25 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: hopes are dashed, um, and there's gonna be it's gonna 26 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: be a long off season we're gonna be talking about 27 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: and it's crazy when you think about it really comes 28 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: down to about six h is but we're gonna be 29 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: talking about everything top to bottom with this game, and 30 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna be dissecting it honestly from the next you know, 31 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: six months. Yeah, and the podcast will go nowhere, by 32 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: the way, the Lounge will continue in the off season. 33 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: We've been renewed. We have been renewed. Yeah, the life 34 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: is gonna continue in the off season. Probably go from 35 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: two a week that we do in the season, but 36 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna probably drop it down to one a week 37 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: and we'll continue with interviews. You know, there's still a 38 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: whole bunch of people we haven't talked to, not just players, 39 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: but also people like Eric to Costa, people on the 40 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: scouting side. We do want to get harves On here. 41 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: We do want to get harves On here. Um, So 42 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,279 Speaker 1: there's gonna be plenty to discuss in the off season, 43 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: So don't go anywhere. We're going to have a lot 44 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: to talk about over the next few months. Starting with that, 45 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: Let's kick it off with a question audio question. How 46 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: do you get one? From Brendan Peters from Stratford, Connecticut, 47 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: mother God, son of God. I can't so, I guys, 48 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: got went through a tunnel there. Hopefully you got all that. 49 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: Short term listener, first time caller, UM my email, I 50 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: just confused, who who? Who do we? Who do we blame? Who? 51 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: Do you blame me the end of the season. I mean, 52 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: if you have a bad quarterback, do you blame the 53 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: offensive line? Uh? Do you blame the receivers? And then 54 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: vice versa? Unital offense does something you blame the defense 55 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: because port tackling. Um, I don't know. I'm a glass 56 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: case of emotion right now. Trying to take advantage of 57 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: your call in questionnaire if you will, So, my main 58 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 1: question is who's to blame? Thanks for the question, Brandan 59 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: finding the service cut out there in a little bit, Yeah, 60 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: how about that? Also, just to mention to everybody before 61 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: we answer his question, you can send it your audio 62 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: questions or just email whatever you prefer to the lounge 63 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: at Ravens dot NFL dot net. We got a ton 64 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: of emails. It's tough to get to all of them, 65 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: but we want you guys to know we read all 66 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: We do read all of them. We try to respond 67 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: to a lot of them. Yeah, we try to respond 68 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: to as many as we can, so thank you for 69 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: sending those. That's the question Brendan poses is who is 70 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: to blame? Which I think is a natural question when 71 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: the Ravens don't make the playoffs for the third time 72 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: in four years. Garrett, I'll let you kick this at all. 73 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: Go ahead, you start asking the question. I thought you 74 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: were going to answer it yourself. Yum, this sounds like 75 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: the cliche answer. I don't think that it's any one 76 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: person to blame. Everyone's gonna whop out. Yeah, everyone's gonna 77 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: want to put it on somebody, and for paricular they're 78 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: they're gonna want to say it's the offensive coordinators, the 79 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: defensive coordinators, the head coach, the quarterback. I don't really 80 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: put it on any one person in particular, because if 81 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: you go through the Ravens season, there's different people to 82 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: blame at different points. There was never you know, earlier 83 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: in the year, the offense was stuck in the lad 84 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: for really the first I don't know, mostly the first 85 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: three quarters of the season until that Miami game is 86 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: really when it's spark came together from Yeah, and then 87 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: but the offense played well, guess Miami played well for 88 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: the most part against Philly with the exception of that 89 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: later interception, and put up twenty seven points and the 90 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: on the road in a tough environment in Hines Field. 91 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: So like, the offense had a pretty good game there. 92 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: So you're not gonna put this one all on the offense. 93 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: Are you gonna put put it on the offense? Hardly 94 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: at all? Okay, So now maybe you can say, well, 95 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: it's a defensive fault. Defense gave up twenty one points 96 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. Okay, that's fair, that's fair. Okay, 97 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: But do you do you even get to that point 98 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: if it's not for the defense playing really really well 99 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: earlier in the season when the offense was going nowhere. Yeah, 100 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: it's it kind of it really stinks. And I think 101 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: what makes this Steelers lost so painful is that the 102 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: Ravens had a good team. They have a good team 103 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: this year. Uh and they knew it, you know. The 104 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: defense was really good carried, carried the team for much 105 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: of the year. And then finally, what we kept saying 106 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: all year long was if this offense, offense can just 107 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: play well, not lights out, but if it can play well, 108 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: this can be a very dangerous team. And finally the 109 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: offense was doing that. No, unfortunately, the defense kind of 110 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: went the other way and not you know, not to 111 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: say they're terrible or by any means, the pendulum swung 112 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: a little bit. Pendulum swung, and right when the offense 113 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: was getting it together, the defense kind of lost it. 114 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: In the run defense in particular. But New England, Philly, 115 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh last three games struggled and I think I predicted 116 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: it on mail back. The question was concerned about the 117 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: run defense going to Pittsburgh, and I was like, yeah, 118 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: I am a little bit. Maybe on Bell is really 119 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: really good. And something happened with that unit down the 120 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: stretch and I don't know what it was, what it 121 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: is um and and then obviously it all kind of 122 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: came out in the twenty one point fourth quarter. But 123 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: to the question overall, who do you blame? I booed 124 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: you earlier, but I have to say the same thing. 125 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: It's it's not one easy answer, um, and that that's 126 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: what makes it so difficult this year and what's gonna 127 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: make our jobs difficult over the off season is you know, 128 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: there's not one you can't put your finger on one thing. 129 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: You know, there there are multiple issues. Injuries were a 130 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: big part. I mean, that's what crippled the Ravens season 131 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,559 Speaker 1: last year. But injuries over that four game losing skid 132 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: played a major part in why the Ravens lost four games. 133 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: I mean that was still when the offense was not 134 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: playing well at all. Yeah, I get that. Look at 135 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: the Redskins game. Yeah, I understand that. I guess I'm 136 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: might put too much of injuries last year. To me, 137 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: it was injuries, you know, but well as injuries over 138 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: those four games. I think particularly in the Jets game. 139 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: You know, in the Jets game, you go out there 140 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: and you play without so many key players. But you 141 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: know what, the Sailers play games without Ben Roethlisberger. This year, 142 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: they play two games without Ben Roethlisberger and they're going 143 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: to the playoffs. So I think you can't blame like, yeah, 144 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: I mean the Ravens in general, I don't think we're 145 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: a particularly unhealthy team. They didn't really have any major 146 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: season enders. They had Ben Watson, Um, Ben Watson. He 147 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: was gonna be a starter. So that's probably the most 148 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: significant you had. But you had your deepest position going 149 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: into the year was tight end. Yeah, yeah, I know, 150 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: all I know. And then you had Sugs and Yonda 151 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: playing kind of hurt all season long and fighting through it. 152 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: But both of them still even when they were hurt, 153 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: played at high levels. Right, So like, I don't think 154 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: injury injuries. You can't say, oh, you know, there are 155 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: season was lost cause injuries. Every team as injuries. The 156 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: Patriots are the best team in the a f C. 157 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I'm just saying at different points of 158 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: the season you had major problems, and in the beginning 159 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: of season the offense wasn't good. Plus then you put 160 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: on top of that injuries at that juncture of the 161 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: season that made him even worse. That's how you lose 162 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: to a team like the Jets, is how you lose 163 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: to a team like the Redskins that you were dominating otherwise. Uh. 164 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: And then late in the season you came up against 165 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: some really good teams that I think it showed that 166 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: the Ravens weren't one of the best teams. I think 167 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: they were a good team this year, but they weren't 168 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: at this point one of the best teams. And what's 169 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: unfortunate is they were starting to go round into that form, 170 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: I think, but they didn't mean it felt like they 171 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: were starting to get hot at the right time, right 172 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: in three showtime games, three prove it games. They lost 173 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: all three of them, the Cowboys, the Patriots, and then 174 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: the Steelers by six inches. But the crazy thing is, 175 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: you talk about who's the blame and all that stuff. 176 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: Six inches six inches. If it's not for that, then 177 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: we're talking about who deserves credit for the Ravens rebound 178 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: season and going back to the playoffs most likely. Yeah, 179 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: so six inches. Let's go through that final play. Because 180 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: I've watched, I've tried. Part of me wanted to just 181 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: remove it from my memory, just completely forget it. I 182 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: was standing there on the sidelines and I I just 183 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,599 Speaker 1: it was painful watching him reach it across. I was 184 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: kind of had like an angle right down the side there, 185 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: and seeing him reach across and the reaction on Hinesfield 186 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: was painful. So I tried to remove it from my memory, 187 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: but I've seen it everywhere and then when I was 188 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: doing what You miss feature this week, I watched it 189 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: probably a hundred times from every different and called trying 190 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: to figure out, like, is there anything that the Ravens 191 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: could have dined? So let's go, let's dive into that. 192 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: First of all, did you just you're lucky you're on 193 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: the field this time instead of the press box like 194 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: Lee Evans. So you didn't destroy your chair? Did you 195 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: destroy anything on the side? I didn't. I was I 196 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: was calm. Were you really or did you yell or 197 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: do something? I didn't really do anything, really, No, that's weak. 198 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 1: What do you want me to run on the field 199 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: and start getting in the middle of things? Go on, 200 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: come on, let's go. We need to stop here. Let's go, guys. 201 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: If you're a man, you would have all right. I 202 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: remember after the Super Bowl season or what was it, No, 203 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: it was last year, last year season opener Denver. Yeah, 204 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: Crockett Gilmore in the back of the end zone. He 205 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: got held on that Darien Stewart picked him off and 206 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: all that stuff. I was yelling my lungs out about 207 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: how Crockett got held where's the flag? I was flipping 208 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: my I lost it on the side lost it and 209 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: they really did do a lot of good. Right, Yeah, 210 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: they changed the call. I'm sure they want to ask 211 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: what you thought. Yeah, all right, So that final play, Uh, 212 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: here's my take on it is we're talking about who 213 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: to blame, and I'm sorry, but I think CJ has 214 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 1: got to make that stop. I think he just has 215 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: to make that stop. Eric Weddle did just about everything 216 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: he could. I mean, he's lucky didn't get a face 217 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: mask goal, but anyway, he held him up. And I 218 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: think you have an inside linebacker with a shot on 219 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: a wide receiver of Antonio Brown's stature, he's got to 220 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: drive him back. In that instance, you gotta pop him 221 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: and he's got to go backwards, and instead CJ kind 222 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: of bounced off and that allowed Antonio Brown to extend 223 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: the ball. I'm sorry. CJ is a great player, fantastic player, 224 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: podcast moment, everything, But that's the play that I think 225 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: c J will will look back on and say, I 226 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: gotta make I gotta make that. But I think he's 227 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: gonna be kicking himself for that one. That's one of 228 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: those players that I'm sure he's probably watched it a 229 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: hunter times, just like I haven't seen the film, and 230 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: he's probably that's one that's gonna haunt him. I think 231 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: for a while. Here's the crazy thing. If I had 232 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 1: asked you, I give you the hypothetical and I say, 233 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: all right, game on the line. This is gonna be 234 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,599 Speaker 1: the game. Ender You have Eric Idol and c. J. 235 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: Mosley against Antonio Brown two, verse one, and you've got 236 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: to get six inches. It's a matter of six inches. 237 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: Which side are you taking on that? I think pretty much, 238 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: you know, I'll take the Ravens side on that. Times 239 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: out of a hundred, I think that the Ravens are 240 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: gonna win that if you have C. J. Mosey and 241 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: Eric Weddle trying to stop Antonio around in that situation, 242 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: and man Mosley read the play well too. He read 243 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: the play well, came at it, and it looked like 244 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 1: he just didn't really try to drive through Antonio Brown. 245 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: Kind of looked like he tried to tackle him and 246 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: just pound try to kind of pop him. Yeah, it 247 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: looked like you try to pop him back and it 248 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: didn't work, and he just he just bounced off. And 249 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: then I mean, it was a heck of a play 250 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: by Brown. He's one of the best players the tip 251 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: your cat. But I think it's a play that the 252 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: Ravens should have made, right. What do you think about this? 253 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: So Hardball brought this up the other day and I 254 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: was thinking about it during the game. Is if they 255 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: get to stop there and they tackle Antonio Brown short 256 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: of the goal line, still don't have any time outs left. 257 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: Do you think that the time runs out and the 258 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: Ravens win the game? I do. I think it's gonna 259 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: be really close. Nine seconds is what nine seconds when 260 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: he extended it? All right, So let's go through this. Okay, 261 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: So let's say he gets tackled there, he gets pushed 262 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: backwards and brought to the ground. That's probably two more seconds. 263 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 1: So now we're at second. Okay, So because he's getting 264 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: pushed back, whistle's gotta blow. He gets down to the ground. 265 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: O came. But now we're at seven. Now they have 266 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: to peel the defenders off and get the ball out 267 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: of there. Okay, you've got wet All and Mosley and 268 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: they're probably holding on to Antonio a little longer. They're 269 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: not letting them up. You think they're jumping up and 270 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: running back. No, think that's that's gonna be the case. 271 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say, to get for the ref to 272 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: get to the ball. Okay, these are some slow rest 273 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: they might be slower than us. Okay, to the the 274 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: ref to get to the ball, get the ball out, 275 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: all that stuff, throw it to the other ref to 276 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: put the ball down. That's probably three or four, right, 277 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: So let's say three. Let's go on the low end here. Okay, 278 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: So now what are we down to? Four seconds? Four seconds? Okay, 279 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: Now the Steelers have to all get lined up and 280 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: they're probably gonna be on the line waiting for the ball. 281 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 1: They're probably for the most part, they're for the most part, 282 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: they're not that far. I mean they're on the four 283 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: yard line. But still they gotta get in position. Okay, 284 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: let's say that takes another three. Now, there's one second. 285 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: That's quick, that's super quick. There's one second when you 286 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: snap the ball. You still have to spike the ball. 287 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: It's the clock stops when the ball hits the ground. 288 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: That takes at least a second. So if you snap 289 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: the ball and there's one second, one second on the clock, 290 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: now right when ball hits the ground and zeros. Yeah, 291 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: so that's game over. That's game over. And we're and 292 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: we're playing it concerned, I think at the time, Yeah, 293 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: because he very well. I could have seen it be 294 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: a situation where c J and uh wed will kind 295 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: of pushing back and they're fighting there for a few 296 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: yards that could grab just don't want to blow it 297 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: dead immediately. They don't want to like, yeah, thats that 298 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: tussle could take three or four second potentially. Yeah, two, 299 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: so four and now you're looking at all that other 300 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: stuff needs to happen in a matter of five seconds. 301 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: I think that that play is I think that's Ravens 302 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: win right there. It just makes it even more brue 303 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: Why are we doing this? Because it makes that even 304 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: more people that it wasn't even going to get it 305 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: over time probably is all right, this is a heartbreaking week. Yeah, 306 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: is this the worst loss since the Super Bowl? What 307 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: do you think? I've gone back and forth on this, 308 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: and I've thought about it a lot and dark moments 309 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: of my life. Are this following question or these darkest 310 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: movements of your listing that have a good question? Um? 311 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: I think that I think so the ones that we're 312 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: really looking at, I think we probably would all agree 313 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: that the most brutal loss was the two thousand eleven 314 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: af C Championship, Lee Evans Billy kind of we know 315 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: the story alright, So then since then the other one 316 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: that's kind of upper graps division around playoff in New 317 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: England to fourteen point leads in the second half, and 318 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: I've gone back in two fourteen point leads period. Sorry 319 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: it's two fourteen point leads, one of them being in 320 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: the second half. Um, I think that this Steelers game 321 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: was more heartbreaking than that. And it's close, it's it's 322 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: really close. But the more I thought about it, I 323 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: give the the adge here to the Steelers game. The 324 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: reason being a couple of things. One the fact that 325 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: you had scored with seventy eight seconds last. You had 326 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: come from behind and you score there with you know, 327 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: a minute a minute twenty left in the game, so 328 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: you think that you have the game one. So it's 329 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: just this ultimate swing of emotions where they drove all 330 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: the way down the field and you score. Then to 331 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: have it kind of your heart ripped out over the 332 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: next seventy eight seconds I think is absolutely brutal. You 333 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: didn't have quite that anyway, you had close. You had close. 334 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: The other thing too, the thing too with the Steelers 335 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: game is I thought, as soon as there's seventy eight 336 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: seconds left, I was like, too much time, too much times. 337 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: I thought it was probably a field goal situation. Yeah, 338 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: you think you're I'm hoping, can you keep him out 339 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: of field goal range? That's the goal. Yeah, you think 340 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: get worse you're going to That's what makes it especially brutal, too. 341 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: And the Steelers don't have a great field goal kickers, 342 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: so you're thinking maybe in this situation, you know, even 343 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: if they kick a field goal, that can be a 344 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: long field goal. So there's that. And then the other 345 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: thing too is I think it's the whole You're closer 346 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: to the super Bowl, so you were quite as far 347 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: removed and you still I won't say you still had 348 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: that glow, but you were closer to it. The further 349 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: you get from it, the tougher every loss gets. The 350 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: further you get from it, the tougher every single loss gets. 351 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. And and now you have the whole discussion 352 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: of you missed the playoffs at three out of four years, 353 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: you're a five teams since the super Bowl, all of 354 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: that on top of it. In two fourteen, you didn't 355 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: have that, you didn't have the you know, the whole it, 356 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: what needs to change, Who's to blame all that stuff? 357 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: It was a it was a that that the loss 358 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: in fourteen, it was I remember immediately like Kubiak came 359 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: out with the we have unfinished business. You know, you 360 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: felt coming off of that like, all right, we were 361 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: right there beating the Patriots by fourteen. Next year, we're 362 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: going to be in the super Bowl kind of thing. Yeah, 363 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: you feel like you could be right back there. It's 364 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: not the same feeling this time. I don't I think 365 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: the Raveins could get back to this point of being 366 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: Oh for sure. I'm just saying what the general feeling is. 367 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that this loss like dooms the 368 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: Ravens and that there whatever. You know that big sweeping 369 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: changes need to be aid. But I think there is 370 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: a different feeling, and I think it's because it's because 371 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: of the whole the body of the last four years. 372 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: I think that's what I'm looking at is you look 373 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: at it, and now everybody knows, you're gonna have to 374 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: be thinking about that, discussing that over the next you know, 375 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: three or four months. I'm gonna have to disagree, though, 376 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: I think theeen loss was more brutal. Hey, it's in 377 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: the playoffs. Even if even if the Ravens beat the 378 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: Steelers on Sunday, it's still didn't guarantee a playoff spot. 379 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: It wasn't like that was it, you know. I mean, 380 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: they still would have to go in Cincinnati this week 381 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: and beat the Bengals, which, like I said last week, 382 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: would not be an easy task. It wouldn't be an 383 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: easy task. But you're telling me you don't think if 384 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: the Ravens had won that game and they're not playing 385 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: Aja Green and they're not playing Tyler Effort and all that, 386 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: that the Ravens we're gonna win. They're not playing Efford. 387 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: Ifford's on I R. So they were gonna win that game. 388 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: It's probably we're gonna win that game anyway. But it wasn't. 389 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: That wasn't for the division for the Ravens. I think 390 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: that affects things. Also. It wasn't even in the playoffs. 391 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: That was in the divisional playoffs. Yeah, but you're going 392 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: to a CE championship game against the Colts, a f 393 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: C championship fourteen point lead. You at least get into playoffs. 394 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: You got to taste of plays. You got that playoff bonus. 395 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: You were in the playoffs two thousand fourteen now, But 396 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: if you don't even get into something, so it hurts 397 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: more to lose when you and not make the playoffs, 398 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: and it hurts to lose in the playoffs the Super 399 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: Bowl within two games, I think, I think it depends 400 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: on the situation. Dude. That fourteen point loss was brutal. 401 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: It was they were rolling and we were in the 402 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: press box warming up our putters Arizona. We were getting ready. 403 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: Story Well, let's go to happier times here, psych story time. 404 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: Why don't you tell the story of I think everybody 405 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,479 Speaker 1: wants to know. You know, you went to Pittsburgh for Christmas. 406 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: I stayed home with my family, and so I think 407 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: probably you've gotten this question million times. What was the 408 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: locker room like? What was it like? As the loss? 409 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: Go ahead and story well, just also expanded to the sideline. 410 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: I'll set the scene. I mean, it just was. I 411 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: think is the locker room after the game was the 412 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: most uh? And this is maybe part of the reason 413 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,479 Speaker 1: why I feel like it was the most heartbreaking low 414 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: since yeah, well certainly it's fresh um and I was 415 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: in the locker room after the fourteen game too against 416 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: New England. But I think this was just the most 417 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: down locker room that I've seen since that a f 418 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: C Championship. And it was basically silent in there. And 419 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: a lot of times when you have a tough lost 420 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: guys get out of there in a hurry. They come in, 421 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: they shower, they get out of there pretty quickly. They're 422 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: not sticking around for reporters. Nobody was really like rushing 423 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: out of the locker room. You had a lot of 424 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: the veterans still changing, but that almost made it more painful. 425 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: Like thirty minutes after the game, Steve Smith was basically 426 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: just staring into his locker in full uniform, not talking 427 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: to anybody, and like, that's a tough scene to walk 428 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,719 Speaker 1: in there. I walked in there after the Hardball presser, 429 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: the Flacco presser, c J and Juice. You walk in 430 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: the locker room, Steve is still in full uniform, just 431 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: basically staring at his locker, Like that was a tough scene. 432 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: You had Sugs and Doomerville basically doing the same thing 433 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: and nobody's talking, like and then you have this group 434 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: of reporters to standing in the middle of the room 435 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: and didn't want to talk to it. None of the 436 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: reporters wanted to go up and approach any of these 437 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: guys because it was like it was like a funeral man. 438 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: It was like nobody wanted to talk and you could 439 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: you could hear a pin drop in there. Um that 440 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: that kind of it sticks with you. It's a weird, 441 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: weird feeling. Glad it wasn't there. It was not fun. 442 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: I was sitting at home and being like, I am 443 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: glad I am not there right now. Yeah, it was. 444 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: I mean, no one's as you'd expect, No one's in 445 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: there laughing. These guys take it seriously. Sometimes you hear 446 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: fans as you know, do they really care? Like, let 447 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,479 Speaker 1: me tell you, if you walked in that locker room 448 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: and you saw the attitude and the reaction of those 449 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 1: guys after that loss, you can tell that game mattered. 450 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: They cared for sure. And sometimes I feel like we've 451 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: gone in there and you have guys that are angry 452 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: or whatever, Like this sounds like it was just more depressed. Yeah, 453 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: that's a good point. Like after the Jets game this year, 454 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: it was a pretty salty locker room, but that was 455 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: more of like an anger. I felt like like ticked off. 456 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: This one just was like because you knew it was done, 457 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: it was it was over, and everybody felt that. Yeah, brutal. Alright, 458 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: so moving forward, there's still one game left to play here. 459 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals John Harball on Monday said, you know we're 460 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: going to win this game. What to you does this 461 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: Sincinnati game mean? It's I don't know. I mean, it's 462 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: tough to really get excited about it, right, I mean, yeah, 463 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: you know, like, uh, what does it mean? I don't 464 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: think it means much. I don't think it means anything. 465 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: I think it means you have one game left on 466 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: the season, and you know, the coaches do what they 467 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 1: do because that's what they try to go and win 468 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: a game. Do you understand that players, you know, they 469 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: try to go and win a game. I think that 470 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: the Ravens are gonna play hard and they're gonna treat 471 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: it as such. But like, what does it mean? It 472 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: doesn't really mean anything. Yeah, to me, I think it's 473 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: a game where you start evaluating. For Harves even said 474 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: that at the end of last year. He said, we're 475 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: an evaluation mode. Now. To me, it's one game, so 476 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: you can't get a ton of evaluation, but get as 477 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: much as you possibly can. That's how I kind of 478 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: look at it. And I understand you want to win 479 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: within that for sure. And for players, heck you don't. 480 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: You can't step out on the football field, on an 481 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: NFL field and not give it your all or you're 482 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: gonna get hurt. You go out there and play pitty 483 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: patty football, you're gonna get hurt. And so what you say, evaluation, 484 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: are you saying play young guys? Yes, I don't. You know, 485 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: I don't think injured guys Terrell Suggs, Marciana. I just 486 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: don't see much reason for them to play this game 487 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: unless they say to you know, Harbors or whoever, I 488 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: want to play. If they say that to me, I'm 489 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: not gonna hold them out, but I'm not going to 490 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 1: push him to play. Uh. And you know, Chris Moore, 491 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: let's see what you got, Judean. You're playing the whole 492 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: game for Sugs in the NFL regular season game. See 493 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: what you got? I how about this? There's a there's 494 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: another school thought that says, all right, you know this 495 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: game doesn't have any playoffifications. Higher draftic high a draft 496 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: pick convinced me why you should not tank it in 497 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: this game, because you could go, you could go. It's 498 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: hard to know exactly where the Ravens would be if 499 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: they lost, because you don't know what else is gonna 500 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: happen around them. But it could be a difference of 501 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: like a pick in the like thirteen range ish you 502 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: know or closer to you know? Do you is it 503 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: worth it to lose and say get the thirteenth pick 504 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: or win and you finished with the winning season, um, 505 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: and you fight all the way to the end, but 506 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: then you end up with the ninete pick. Not really hey, 507 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: And I don't even know how you tank it. Like 508 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: I think that if you play some of these younger 509 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: guys like I'm saying, and you lose because of it, 510 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: Like okay, whatever, you were an evaluation mode and you 511 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: lost the game. It's kind of maybe win win or whatever. 512 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: But like you can't just say, hey, guys, tank it, 513 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: lose the game. That's impossible. Um. So I think you 514 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: play to win, but you don't necessarily try out all 515 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: those guys. Um. It's interesting when is Flacco. What if 516 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: Flacco said I don't think he's going to but I 517 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: think he'll play. But if he said, you know, I 518 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,479 Speaker 1: don't think you would do that. I don't think either, um. 519 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: But anyway, I'm not a big believer in the tank 520 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: it thing. I was more last year when the Ravens 521 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: were in position. Do you have the six pick or 522 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: the third pick in the draft, because I think there's 523 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: a small amount of blue chip prospects every single year 524 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: that come out, and if you are right on the 525 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: cusps for that and you're in a meaningless game in 526 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: Week seventeen, put me on the right side that because 527 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: some of those guys can be franchise makers, difference makers 528 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: for years to come. I would like to have gotten 529 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: Joey Bosa. That would have been nice to be at 530 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: the number three and gotten that guy. He's been a 531 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,719 Speaker 1: horse this year. But here's the thing, Ronnie Stanley has 532 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: almost convinced me of the opposite argumenting So I argued 533 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: for that last year. But then number six, you pick 534 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: Ronnie Stanley and he's been pretty darn good, you know, 535 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: and like he looks like he's gonna be a franchise left. 536 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: He's gonna be a great player, I think for this team. 537 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: So I look at it this year and I say, whatever, 538 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: if you end up with the eighteenth pick or twenty 539 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: pick versus thirteen pick. You see pro bowlers at twe 540 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: and complete busts at thirteen. Yeah, and and vice versus 541 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: sometimes you see you know, the opposite. It's I think 542 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: once you get outside the blue chip prospects, the first 543 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: round to a lot, to a large degree, is kind 544 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: of a mixed bag. You're gonna hit some of you're 545 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: gonna miss something. Yeah, I think too. And this was 546 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: my point last year is there's something to be said 547 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: for a winning culture. And I think that that does 548 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: have a carryover effect. If the Ravens were to go 549 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: out there and say, all right, guys, we're just mailing 550 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: the sand because we want to hire draft pick. I 551 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: think that that kind of sticks with you. When you 552 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: have like a young players and you have a young team, 553 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: then they're gonna stay like, you know, alright, when it 554 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that much, we don't have to play as hard. Yeah, Well, 555 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: what happens next season when you're in a week seven 556 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: game or whatever against a weak opponent and you're you know, 557 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: six and one or whatever, six and oh, and you're like, oh, 558 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: this game, we're gonna roll them over. We haven't play 559 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: that hard. Yeah, you want a culture of winning, a 560 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: culture of working hard, and the Ravens have established that, 561 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: and I think it would you know there. Yes, the 562 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: other thing too that I think is probably the best 563 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: part about this game. I think it's gonna be the 564 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: Steve Smith show. This is most likely his last game. 565 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: I actually talking with somebody about this. I think this 566 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: could be like his Kobe Bryant game. This could be 567 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: you know, like he goes out there, just give him 568 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: the ball every single play, throwing the ball twenty times. 569 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: Just get the ball in his hands as much as 570 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: possible because he's not gonna want to go down easy. 571 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: He's gonna go out there and put it all online. 572 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: Assuming this is his last game and he that's gonna 573 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: be the reason to watch. That is very play. I'm 574 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: not sure. Oh boy, that's gonna get feisty. Seriously, I 575 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: hope there's not a body left with Steve's last game. 576 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, gracious, that is the biggest thing I'm 577 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: excited about watching. You know, he's gonna go out there 578 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: and put it all on the line, and uh, that right, 579 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: there is reason enough to tune in. Yeah, so make 580 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: sure you do tune in this Sunday we'll both be 581 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: there covering this game, and uh it should it should 582 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: be interesting to watch Steve go out. So thank you 583 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,959 Speaker 1: very much for listening. Once again. You can email us 584 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net and 585 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: tune in all off season. Don't let this be your 586 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: final podcast here. Hey, we're gonna try to get Ronnie 587 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: Stanley on later this week talk about his rookie season. Uh, 588 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: you know, we just kind of pumped him up a 589 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: little bit, so maybe we'll tell on we did that, 590 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: get him on the pod, and uh, you know, get 591 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: a podcast pumped for software year. There we go. So 592 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: thank you very much for listening, keep tuning in. We'll 593 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 1: be back with you later this week.