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Speaker 1: I got a question about that odd noise your car

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Speaker 2: Not sure how to understand the find prints in that

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Speaker 2: car lease you're about to sign.

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Speaker 1: Then this is where to turn for help. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the car doctor.

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Speaker 2: I feel they.

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Speaker 1: Ron an Indian is here to answer your questions about cars. Hey,

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Speaker 1: did you take a wheel for a second?

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Speaker 3: I have to scratch myself in two places at once.

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Speaker 1: Give him a call. Now here's the car doctor, ron

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Speaker 1: an Indian.

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Speaker 2: Talking about the arms race. Well, not that kind of

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Speaker 2: an arms race, the horsepower arms race. Recent article this

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Speaker 2: week since the arrival of the Dodge Viper in nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety four, is a latter day Shelby Cobra roadster. Its creators,

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Speaker 2: a Dodge, have staked their banner atop the horse power mountain.

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Speaker 2: That original car's monstrous eight liter V ten cylinder engine

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Speaker 2: ballot out then hard to conceive four hundred horsepower. That's

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Speaker 2: about twelve thirteen years ago, a power peak that towered

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Speaker 2: above other cars output like the matterhorn over the local

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Speaker 2: local sledding hill. But pesky pretenders to the Viper's throne

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Speaker 2: won't stay down. This article on MSNBC continues, which prompted

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Speaker 2: an upgrade to eight point three leaders. So now they

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Speaker 2: made the engine bigger, and they made it five hundred

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Speaker 2: horse power in two thousand and four, and now for

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Speaker 2: eight point four leaders and six hundred horse power. As

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Speaker 2: in every arms race, similar weapons are available to all participants,

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Speaker 2: so what seems like an impenetrable Maggio line of engine

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Speaker 2: power can be quickly bypassed. Crosstown rival GM already offers

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Speaker 2: five hundred horses in the Chevrolet Corvette and is rumored

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Speaker 2: to be readying Are you ready for this a seven

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty horsepower supercharged Corvette to reply to the viper.

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Speaker 2: That's territory of NASCAR, Nextel Cup, INDEC and Formula one racers,

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Speaker 2: but for now Vipers on top.

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Speaker 1: Interesting article. It kind of caught my eye and.

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Speaker 2: Made me stop to think, Wait a minute, isn't the

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Speaker 2: price of gas three dollars a gallon?

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Speaker 1: Four dollars a gallon? Are we having a gas crunch

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Speaker 1: of some sort? Isn't there a war on? Don't we

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Speaker 1: have issues with excess in this country?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: I guess we don't because and I have to tell

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Speaker 2: you if they're building cars with six hundred and seven

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty horse power, the price tags that go

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Speaker 2: with them, somebody's got to be buying them, because they're

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Speaker 2: putting them up for sale. It just kind of makes

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Speaker 2: me wonder, are you guys really looking for horse power

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Speaker 2: or are you looking for reliability? That's the question I'll

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Speaker 2: be asking you this hour as we kind of roll

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Speaker 2: along and open the garage doors.

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome Ronin, Andy and the car Doctor. Let's

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Speaker 1: kick those doors open right now.

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Speaker 2: Let's go over and talk to Elsie from Queens, New

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Speaker 2: York ninety one Subaru Legacy.

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Speaker 1: What do you say, Elsie? How are you today?

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Speaker 3: I'm very well? Thank you.

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Speaker 1: What do you think we'll put seven hundred horsepower in

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Speaker 1: your Subaru? You think that's a good idea?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: How can I help you, Darling?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 3: For about two years I've been riding around with a

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Speaker 3: check engine light going on and off. Free mechanics said

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Speaker 3: admissions control test. So about three weeks ago I had

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Speaker 3: an oxygen sense to put in. Now, about last week

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Speaker 3: I was driving, I was coming home and all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden, there was a loud noise. My car sort

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Speaker 3: of lost power. So I pulled over to the side

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Speaker 3: And I'm just wondering. I came home very slowly, and

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Speaker 2: Is this a manual transil show automatically automatic transfer?

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Speaker 1: So right now, if you go to start the car, the.

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Speaker 3: Car starts, the car starts.

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Speaker 1: And it idles. It'll it'll run fine, idling all day long.

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Speaker 3: It's idle.

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Speaker 2: But but you step on the gas, hasn't it It draws.

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Speaker 3: When you're from a from a stop and you're going,

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Speaker 1: Okay, so it's sort of feels like something's restricted and.

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Speaker 3: Holding it back, absolute holding it back.

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Speaker 1: Did you do you have any idea what the code

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Speaker 3: I have no idea, he just put They said, because

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Speaker 3: it was a nineteen ninety one, they couldn't do it

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Speaker 4: Of computer computer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah okay, all right, but but for two years I've

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Speaker 3: been driving, I know you always say not to check

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Speaker 3: don't know why. But about two or three weeks ago,

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Speaker 3: I said, you know, why don't you do something about

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Speaker 3: and he put in something called an oxygen sensor.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so maybe it was an oxygen sensor code I'm thinking.

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Speaker 3: But it still still engine still goes on and off.

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Speaker 3: Didn't make any difference, So.

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Speaker 1: The check engine light still goes on. All right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, here's what you.

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Speaker 2: Need to do, because your description to me almost sounds

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Speaker 2: like we're in the area of possibly exhaust. All right,

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Speaker 2: but there's a couple of things that could be going

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Speaker 2: little Subaru legacy, so perhaps the timing belt jumped the tooth.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps it's restricted exhaust.

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Speaker 2: I would strongly recommend, and it doesn't sound like it's

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Speaker 2: But you've got to find the mechanic that wants to

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Speaker 2: do some diagnosis here. I see, all right, any mechanic

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Speaker 2: in all honesty that sits there and says, don't worry

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Speaker 2: about the light because it's not going to affect the car.

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Speaker 2: It's only affecting emissions. I'm going to tell you something, darling,

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Speaker 2: that that light is there to tell you, the consumer,

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Speaker 2: the owner of the vehicle, there's a problem with the

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Speaker 2: emissions and it's going to affect vehicle longevity.

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Speaker 1: No vehicle, No vehicle.

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Speaker 2: I'll say it again, No vehicle should be riding around

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Speaker 2: to get longevity and you know that vehicle to operate

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Speaker 2: as it's supposed to.

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Speaker 3: So, man, I ask you this, and why three different

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Speaker 2: You know, it's just amazing to me, Elsie, it really is.

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Speaker 2: I hear it all day long at the shop, people

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Speaker 2: fix it. That mechanic couldn't fix it. Wait, do you

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Speaker 2: hear the repair of the week Later? Poor woman went

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Speaker 2: diagnosed it completely in the wrong direction by trying to

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Speaker 2: diagnose this. It's an hour to start. It could be

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Speaker 2: up to two hours, it could be up to three hours.

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Speaker 2: But I've got to diagnose this problem. You know, It's

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Speaker 2: like you wouldn't go to the doctor have a pain

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Speaker 1: It's okay for now, there's nothing it just so why

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Speaker 2: Because I think what you're experiencing now is the end

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Speaker 2: result of driving around for two years with a check

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Speaker 3: Do you think by putting in that oxygen center did

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Speaker 2: I don't think it did anything other than just take

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Speaker 3: May I ask you this and would it be a transmission,

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Speaker 3: Because that's what one mechanic said to me. He thinks

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Speaker 2: Well from your description, it doesn't sound like it, only

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Speaker 2: because the engine runs and then as you accelerate it

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Speaker 2: seems that it probably starts to falter and fall on

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Speaker 3: It's it's like something's holding.

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Speaker 2: It back, right, And if you know that's generally a

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Speaker 2: clogged exhaust, here's what you gotta do, Okay, Gotta find

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Speaker 2: a mechanic that can diagnose. Okay, all right, and explain

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Speaker 2: it to him just the way you explained it to me.

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Speaker 1: Watch his face.

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Speaker 2: If the light doesn't go on in his head, find

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Speaker 2: this is this sounds like a restricted exhaust. But two

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Speaker 1: If this is engine related.

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Speaker 2: I get it all right, and then by all means,

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Speaker 2: scan the computer for codes.

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Speaker 1: What codes are in that.

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Speaker 3: Vehicle, even though it's ninety one, Even.

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Speaker 2: Though it's a ninety one, I don't care if it's

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Speaker 2: if it's an eighty one, and we had computers on

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Speaker 3: Okay, scan the computer for codes. Right, Thank you very.

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Speaker 1: Very You call me back, Elsie. I want to hear

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome. Take care.

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Speaker 2: It's got to be there for a reason. They do

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Speaker 2: not put check engine lights.

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Speaker 1: Me explain it like this. They don't put.

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Speaker 2: Anything in an automobile that's not there for a reason.

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Speaker 2: If that bulb costs them two cents to put in

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Speaker 2: put it in a million cars, they don't put that

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Speaker 2: the heck of it. It's there for a reason. It's

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Speaker 2: there to warn you there's a problem within the vehicle.

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Speaker 2: So you've got to get that vehicle scanned and diagnosed.

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Speaker 2: You've got to see what's going on, because you're gonna

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Speaker 2: end up like Elsie, and I'm dreading for her what

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Speaker 2: to repair that vehicle, because it very well could be

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Speaker 2: a catalytic converter, could be transmission, could be a timing belt,

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Speaker 2: could be somebody needs to do some diagnosis. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: Hopefully she calls back next week.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm ron an Annie in the car Doctor. Don't

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Speaker 2: go away, because we're gonna talk to Harold in Hawaii

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Speaker 2: next with his ninety three Lincoln town Car.

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Speaker 1: Right after this. Hey, hey, welcome back, ronn Anie in

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Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. Here.

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Speaker 2: Going back to the article about horsepower, I did find

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Speaker 1: I'll take two. Why not?

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Speaker 2: What the heck of his and hers? So can you

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Speaker 1: Here's a guy to go ask about the price of

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Speaker 2: Let's go over and talk to how Harold out of Maui, Hawaii. Harold, welcome,

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Speaker 2: How are you, sir?

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Speaker 5: I have a big problem here the ninety three link

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Speaker 5: shit twelve months of the year, right, but the car

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Speaker 1: Does this have automatic temperature control?

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Speaker 1: That way off off four four, all right, and then

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Speaker 5: Hit the AU button.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you should be able to get that to go

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's really weird.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the gear, well, the gear at the bottom of

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Speaker 2: you're driving straight you don't hit any bumps, and all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden you're blowing heat because the door moves

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I get it. Clicking sound sometimes quick.

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Speaker 2: Right almost, I can almost assure you've got a bad

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Speaker 5: I don't want to go down there. I mean wires.

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Speaker 1: It's a big job.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have to take it to a shop if

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Speaker 2: going to be a little costly, but that way you can.

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Speaker 2: This way you can diagnose it and determine what it is.

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Speaker 2: But not uncommon, very common to see a bed blend

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Speaker 5: So I actually hit the off and then the floor

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Speaker 1: Off and floor and then hit auto.

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Speaker 2: And it's either going to be off in floor and

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Speaker 2: auto while you're holding it. But one way or the

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Speaker 2: other will get codes out of it. But if you're

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know there's something something back down there. I'll

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Speaker 5: give it a try, all right, sir, give it out. Okay,

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Speaker 5: thank you, you're very welcome.

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Speaker 1: Let's go on over.

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Speaker 2: Let's go talk to Scott Nashville, Tennessee Online three and

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Speaker 2: see what's going on there.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Scott, how are you?

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Speaker 4: How you doing right?

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Speaker 1: Good? Sir?

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Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety eight Toyota Camray four cylinder with one hundred

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Speaker 4: and fifty thousand miles.

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Speaker 1: So it's just broken in.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess it's an automatic transmission. I'm getting an

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Speaker 4: occasional no crank. Okay, you turn the key on, all

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Speaker 4: the dashboard lights come on, and you'll sometimes get a

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Speaker 4: click or not even a click. I'd gotten someone to

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Speaker 4: do it for me, and I put my hand on

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Speaker 4: occasionally in there. So I went ahead and yanked the starter,

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Speaker 4: took it to my shop and they said, yeah, yeah, well,

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Speaker 4: you know a couple of things could have been wrong here,

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Speaker 4: put it back in and car ran fine for a

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Speaker 4: while and then started doing it again. Okay, so I've

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Speaker 4: replaced all the battery connections and now I'm at a loss.

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Speaker 4: Do you have it's been a ground strap or something here?

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Speaker 1: Do you own a test light or anything? Scott?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, the next time it does it or can

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Speaker 2: you tell me even with a voltmeter? You know that

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Speaker 2: brown red wire that goes down to the starter, Okay,

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Speaker 2: want to know is it hot.

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Speaker 1: If it's hot and you've got good.

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Speaker 2: Ground at the battery and you're showing twelve vaults at

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Speaker 2: the starter, it just nothing happens, right, sounds like you

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Speaker 2: got a bad starter. My experience has been, and you

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Speaker 2: know what, send me all the emails telling me I'm nuts,

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Speaker 2: But my experience has been I found very few ways

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Speaker 2: takes either a Toyota reman or a good quality after

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Speaker 2: market reman. But the days of rebuilding starters in the garage,

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Speaker 2: they went the way of the carburetor. It just doesn't

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Speaker 4: I've used these fellas for I had a Toyota pickup

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Speaker 4: trick that just eight alternators, right, And I've used these

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Speaker 4: fellows for the last eight years, and I'm fairly confident

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, maybe their new part went bad. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: with Toyota is number one is the starter and number

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Speaker 2: two is the neutral safety switch. But in your conversation

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Speaker 2: to me, you hear a click at the starter and

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Speaker 2: you feel it. That's the drives going out, but it's

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Speaker 2: make sure terminals are clean, contacts are clean, both ends

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Speaker 2: it sure sounds like to me you're going to find

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Speaker 2: a bad starter, something internal in there, and it's got

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Speaker 2: to really have to be gone through and bench tested

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Speaker 2: and checked properly. All right, all right, listen, Just because

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Speaker 2: fact that it worked for a while and then it

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Speaker 1: New means never ever worked and it broke again.

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 1: Then, all right, sir, what do you think about? Let

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Speaker 1: me just grab you real quick, Scott.

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Speaker 2: What do you think Would you go out and spend

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Speaker 2: eighty four thousand dollars on a six hundred horsepower Dodge

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Speaker 2: Viper if you had it?

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Speaker 4: Of course?

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Speaker 1: Why not? Right?

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Speaker 4: I would you mentioned about the gas lean price?

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Speaker 2: I guess you don't worry about it if you've got

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Speaker 2: the eighty four grand exactly.

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Speaker 4: Somebody told me a long time ago, I was looking

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Speaker 4: at the fella bought a new cougar. This was twenty

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Speaker 4: years ago, I guess, and had the big wine tires

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Speaker 4: on it with it, and I mentioned too, us, boy,

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Speaker 4: I hate to replace those. He goes, Hey, when you

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Speaker 4: spend this on a car, what's the cost of tires?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 4: So what's the gallon of gas when you're spend a

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Speaker 4: one hundred thousand on the car?

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Speaker 1: Everything relative?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 4: Way, you show wrong? We have to podcast it down

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Speaker 4: here because you're not on the air.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, well I appreciate the effort. All right, thanks

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Speaker 1: a lot, Thank you, sir. Take care.

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Speaker 2: It's if you don't have to look that up. That's

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Speaker 2: down Nashville way. They actually, I think we are down

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Speaker 2: That affiliate kind of comes and goes. It's it's sort

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Speaker 1: It just kind of comes and goes, Oh, well, I'm

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Speaker 2: Hey, when we return, we'll continue our conversation about the

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Speaker 1: See where that's taking us. We've got some folks on

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Speaker 1: the phones. The phones are lit up. Most important I'll

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Speaker 1: be here when I get back. I'll be here when

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Speaker 1: I get back. Yeah, well, i'll be here when we

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Speaker 1: get back. You know what, don't go away. I'll be

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Speaker 1: back right after this. See you.