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Speaker 1: Time now for a sports update on a podcast Sister Jean,

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Speaker 1: longtime Loyola Chicago chaplain and March Madness icon.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I was nervous there.

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Speaker 3: Retires at one oh six. Okay, all right?

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Speaker 4: You know what the next time I saw her at

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Speaker 4: the news.

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Speaker 5: I saw her in the news and I was like,

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Speaker 5: oh boy, oh retired.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good for her.

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Speaker 3: Nervous?

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Speaker 2: Right like I did, I got nervous.

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Speaker 1: Francisco Lindor Homer's to join the thirty thirty clubs. The

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Speaker 1: Mets beat the Cubs eight to five to remain in

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Speaker 1: a playoff position. And finally, when a person receives a

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Speaker 1: kidney transplant, typically they don't take out the old kidneys.

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Speaker 3: They just shove them to the side and leave them

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Speaker 3: in there.

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Speaker 1: That is unbelievable, just how good Lindor is down the

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Speaker 1: stretch both last year and this year for the Mets.

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Speaker 1: He was great in the postseason and he is carrying

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Speaker 1: the Mets to the postseason this year.

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Speaker 3: Incredible.

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Speaker 6: But is the thirty thirty club still a fun club?

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Speaker 7: Like?

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Speaker 6: To me, thirty thirty club is the difference between going

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Speaker 6: out in South Beach and going out in Fort Lauderdale

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Speaker 6: Like and when you go to the club in Fort Lauderdale,

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Speaker 6: it feels like a thirty thirty club.

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Speaker 4: They just let anybody in that joint. You go down to.

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Speaker 3: South Beach fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a fifty I mean, it's a fifty fifty

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Speaker 6: proposition you even get in, but it's definitely the fifty

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Speaker 6: to fifty club.

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Speaker 5: Farbe it for me to know anything about baseball, but

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Speaker 5: I do think that stolen bases have gone down considerably

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Speaker 5: in the sabermetrics era, and so maybe it is impressive

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Speaker 5: to have thirty stolen bases now because there aren't too

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Speaker 5: many people that do it. I think again, I know

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Speaker 5: nothing about baseball. Then you mentioned the Mets. The only

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Speaker 5: way that I know about the Mets is I work

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Speaker 5: in Stanford, Connecticut. Every third person that comes into our

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Speaker 5: office comes in complaining about the Mets. That's my only

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Speaker 5: relationship to them is hearing people complain about them.

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Speaker 7: So, Soto and Lindora actually became just the third set

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Speaker 7: of teammates to go thirty for thirty thirty in the

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Speaker 7: same season. Howard Johnson and Darryl Strawberry did it in

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Speaker 7: nineteen eighty seven for the bo Joe, and then Don

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Speaker 7: Tabachett and Alice Burkes did it for the Rockies in

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Speaker 7: nineteen ninety six. Also, sister Jean, if Loyal Chicago makes

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Speaker 7: it to the tournament, this is a Tom Brady retirement, Like, sure,

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Speaker 7: she's coming back if they make the tournament.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Darres Drawberry is at the thirty thirty Club.

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Speaker 4: It's a fun club.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I take that. You're on South Beach.

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Speaker 5: Well, and also they're only seventeen players this baseball season

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Speaker 5: that have accomplished thirty stolen bases, so this is an

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Speaker 5: exclusive club.

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Speaker 4: I look at him already looking up stats right away.

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Speaker 3: So they just shoved the old kidneys to the side.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's startling, startling.

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Speaker 6: It would have been more startling if I hadn't learned

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Speaker 6: that somebody in my extended family group two uteruses.

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Speaker 2: Wow, what and how is that possible just had a.

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Speaker 4: Baby out of just one of them?

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Speaker 2: I don't understand that works, but I.

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Speaker 4: Want Chris Whittingham to explain. He seems to be the expert.

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Speaker 3: That was.

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Speaker 2: That's what we call it.

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Speaker 5: and she tells me mostly about taking uteruses out.

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Speaker 2: I've never heard of two uteruses. That's gonna be my

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Speaker 4: I didn't have any follow up.

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Speaker 3: A couple of ut it up.

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Speaker 2: Do you call them?

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Speaker 1: Normally I would deliver that right get.

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Speaker 3: Serious again and delivered the tackle.

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Speaker 6: We got to look for an ob g y n sponsor.

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Speaker 6: So I wanted to have Chris Winningham on. Actually because

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Speaker 6: my boy Jonathan Zaslow, who aka the New Street guts uh,

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Speaker 6: that's calling him.

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Speaker 3: Last time I did that show. I thanks Zaslow for

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Speaker 3: allowing me on his program.

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Speaker 6: And again that's my boy, and I would love to

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Speaker 6: go on zas Lo two point zero to debate this

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Speaker 4: But he had a take that kind of drove me

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Speaker 6: He just did the Miami nyc FC right. Yes game

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Speaker 6: the other day and great call. MESSI didn't need it,

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Speaker 6: but had a couple of goals and so earlier, I

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Speaker 6: don't know when it was, earlier in the summer, zas

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 6: It was after the Luis Soarez a spitting incident in

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Speaker 6: the League's Cup Final, and it was like, this team

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Speaker 6: is not very likable, and that shit drove me up

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Speaker 6: don't care what they're like. You support them, and if

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Speaker 6: they're assholes, they're our assholes. Like the Detroit Pistons of

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Speaker 6: the late eighties and nineties.

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Speaker 4: Were complete dickheads. They were the bad boys of the NBA.

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Speaker 6: Anybody outside of Detroit could have looked at that team

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Speaker 6: And maybe you know, retroactively, there might be a couple

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Speaker 4: Boy and the inter Miami team has.

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Speaker 6: Leo Bleeping Messy on the team, like that is the

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Speaker 6: goat who is.

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Speaker 4: Still playing at goat level.

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Speaker 6: I don't care if they're assholes, they should be assholes.

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Speaker 6: It's the same thing as if he would have said,

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Speaker 6: don't like that group, not very likable.

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Speaker 4: Look at them mocking Dirk Novitsky for having a cold.

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Speaker 4: What a bunch of jerks not cheering for them. It's

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Speaker 6: I've been watching inter only since Leo got there, and yes,

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Speaker 6: and I used to hate Luis Suarez. I don't like

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Speaker 4: And I don't know if it says something about the

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Speaker 6: I'm not calling as a racist or anything, but if

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Speaker 6: I it just drives me up a wall that the

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Speaker 4: Hey, that's my local team. Those are my people.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna find what's good about them, especially if I

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Speaker 6: have the greatest player ever to.

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Speaker 4: Do it wearing my uniform.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 5: Maybe I'm not the right person to bring on, considering

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Speaker 5: I abandoned the Florida Panthers prior.

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Speaker 4: To No you can read me.

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Speaker 3: I love being wrong.

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Speaker 4: We've established this on this podcast.

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Speaker 3: I enjoyed he's a Knicks fan.

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Speaker 5: I no, I'm a Rangers fan. Now it says, let's

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Speaker 5: be very clear about that. Well maybe, yeh, we'll see,

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Speaker 5: if you know, maybe one night at the garden. I'm

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Speaker 5: that's different.

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Speaker 6: You embraced them first, and then they made a move

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Speaker 4: And you said, f those guys.

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Speaker 6: This was the introduct Hey, Leo Messi's at your doorstep.

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Speaker 4: Yes, friends behind.

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Speaker 6: Him, Sergio Busquez, by the way, my favorite soccer player

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Speaker 5: And You're like, no, you're me out of here, right,

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Speaker 5: And they're also they also represent and it's interesting obviously

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Speaker 5: because sinz Azlo is such a big Heat fan. They

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Speaker 5: adore Messy. I want to see him play. And we

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Speaker 5: That's such a rare thing where you go and buy

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Speaker 6: The opposing fans, yes, we love that guy, and you're like, eh,

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Speaker 6: I'm reserving judgment. I don't like the people he played with.

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Speaker 6: And then the thing is, oh, the league cheats for

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Speaker 6: and what everybody believes that the NFL is cheating for

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Speaker 6: the Kansas City Chiefs.

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Speaker 4: You don't see Chiefs fans saying, you know what, I think,

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Speaker 6: Everybody and their mother wanted to shoot Michael Jordan and

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Speaker 4: And you're like, the refs are cheating for him, and.

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Speaker 6: What Chicago Bulls fans aren't going to say, Oh, I'm

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Speaker 6: It just tells me you never wanted to embrace them

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Speaker 3: But as you saying, what you're saying is right.

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Speaker 1: As long as your team is winning, it doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: what type of personality that team takes on if it's

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Speaker 1: I mean winning championships, because I'm not certain Detroit embraces

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Speaker 1: that team unless those Pistons teams went back to back championships, right,

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Speaker 1: So you have to win. It starts with winning, and

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Speaker 1: if you win, then you're right. The surrounding fan base

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Speaker 5: And that's actually that's an interesting counterpoint because I do

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Speaker 2: So it was the way in which.

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Speaker 5: They didn't win, sort of in disgrace, where then all

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Speaker 5: and there's a spitting towards another member of staff for

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Speaker 6: They won first, they won a league's cup first, so

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Speaker 6: Right, Detroit fans were still Detroit fans when they were

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Speaker 4: Didn't win enough.

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Speaker 3: They didn't win the title.

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Speaker 1: No, that's what I'm saying, is he It's so the Pistons,

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Speaker 2: Fan.

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Speaker 6: At a discussion point, As a fan, you move you

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Speaker 6: I don't like this new version. I wanted to score

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Speaker 5: I get to score as because there's been some bending

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Speaker 2: Since when do you really do sports fans?

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Speaker 5: I get it, Like if you're a if you're an

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Speaker 4: I don't see fans talking about it, right, right.

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Speaker 5: Like like right, I'm a big believer, like if you

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Speaker 2: I don't know, you don't know.

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Speaker 5: I was thinking about becoming a Lionel Messi fan, but

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Speaker 4: What about It's like, I'm inside of the right now.

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Speaker 1: I just to friend this entire thing full circles as

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Speaker 2: I think I think he apologized to him this week show.

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Speaker 7: But you know, Louis Suarez is a great a great

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Speaker 7: ballot in that case. Yes, oh, absolutely another nominee I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we can build. Yeah, we can build

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Speaker 2: I know that that.

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Speaker 8: I know.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, we're on our test off. Number one

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Speaker 1: But there's a million guys like that throughout the history

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Speaker 1: But I would not love him if Pat bever In fact,

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Speaker 1: I don't even mind that that actually let him.

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Speaker 5: Go to your points too. There's so many of those

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Speaker 5: Beverly All Stars, where it doesn't matter if they're on

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm not having it. For me.

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Speaker 5: It was Mario Chalmers. I just I couldn't get myself there.

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Speaker 5: If he hit the winning shot in Game seven of

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Speaker 1: Wait, but this is so interesting because so you were

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Speaker 3: A spot to like him.

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Speaker 6: Palmers was he was mind bogglingly mind bogglingly frustrating.

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Speaker 3: He sawved.

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Speaker 1: You couldn't find a place in your heart to be

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Speaker 5: There's too many There's too many dumb turnovers, there are

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Speaker 5: He was so annoyed that Mario Chalmers didn't just accept

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Speaker 2: He thought he was the Big Four.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't. I couldn't bring myself.

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Speaker 6: To do you want to modernize this conversation a little bit,

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Speaker 6: bring it to twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: See if I can cut you off first, I could

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Speaker 1: just let me have tell her put that on the pall.

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Speaker 4: He crossed that threshold for me.

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Speaker 6: Like and this exchange that he had with Cam Newton

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Speaker 6: Cam Newton said, it's further frustrating, like makes me want

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Speaker 4: Why did you see this?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, where he basically kind of you know, what, what

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Speaker 7: So for context for people who don't know what we're

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Speaker 7: more expectations. Tour responded, well, anybody could play quarterback in

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Speaker 7: for sure, but I think it's easier to be able

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Speaker 6: I mean it's wild because, first of all, I don't

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Speaker 6: And because Cam Newton is saying you're getting paid what

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Speaker 2: Hang on.

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Speaker 4: And then to response is, oh, but quarterback is hard.

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Speaker 6: Okay, then be the least paid quarterback in the league,

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Speaker 4: In the league, and be the backup. You could still

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Speaker 2: But when the hell.

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Speaker 6: Are you going to get to the actual criticism that

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Speaker 6: I guess anybody can play quarterback? Then no, man, it

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Speaker 6: just tells me that you have no fing clue how

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Speaker 8: All that is right, but can we also just say this,

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Speaker 3: He's not exactly right.

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Speaker 1: Chris Simms is on every week railing about this, the

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Speaker 3: So to his salary, really for me.

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Speaker 1: You can listen, you can complain should be better, he

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Speaker 3: There should be high expectations because.

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Speaker 1: He has that salary, more so because he was coming

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Speaker 1: get to it. Okay, but you can't blame the salary

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Speaker 1: It's not a great I understand what Camp's trying to say,

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Speaker 6: It doesn't matter, like I said, it doesn't matter who

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Speaker 4: I get it. Like Stew's point is right.

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Speaker 6: The money doesn't technically matter whether you're making more, but

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Speaker 6: are now this is your free agency window. This is

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Speaker 6: the group that you should be paid with. Yes, And

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think to your point, Stu, I still

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Speaker 5: Presumably Tua's agent walked into an office and said Tua

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Speaker 2: But again and.

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Speaker 5: Again he has failed to carry the team in the

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Speaker 5: biggest moments. And right now they need their quarterback to

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Speaker 5: raise them a level because they've lost obviously on the

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Speaker 5: offensive line, their defense has gotten worse. Whatever that they

449
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Speaker 5: need their quarterback to elevate, and that's what happens. And

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Speaker 5: I think that's where I do think the salary comes

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Speaker 5: into the conversation, because when young quarterbacks are part of

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Speaker 5: great teams, there is a lot more money eligible to

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Speaker 5: be spent on the rest of the roster by virtue

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Speaker 5: of the fact that they're not yet commanding fifty five

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Speaker 5: million dollars, and all of a sudden, the quarterback commands

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Speaker 5: fifty five million dollars. You see it with Mahomes, where

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Speaker 5: the talent around.

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Speaker 4: Him make up that gap correct and the.

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Speaker 5: Team has gotten so much worse around Patrick Mahomes, and

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Speaker 5: yet they still grind out win after win and after

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Speaker 5: win after win on the basis of what Mahomes delivers

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Speaker 5: for them.

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Speaker 2: So I do think, on.

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Speaker 5: The one hand, to what deserves an amount of criticism

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Speaker 5: for what he's delivered so far. On the other hand,

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Speaker 5: I do think that in the overall it is fascinating.

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Speaker 5: This goes back to the Ryan Clark Peter Scheger story.

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Speaker 5: Who was allowed to criticize anyone on the basis of

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Speaker 5: what you've done in your career. If Cam Newton on

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Speaker 5: the basis of what he's done in his career, is

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Speaker 5: not allowed to criticize too it because you know, get

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Speaker 5: in the game and do it yourself, put your hand

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Speaker 5: in the dirt. Who can And also, can you imagine

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Speaker 5: if the only people who could were active players. Imagine

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Speaker 5: if in the pregame press conference, Justin Fields is saying,

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Speaker 5: Man two has been shit this year? Huh how bad

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Speaker 5: has he been? Look at this decision and he like

478
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Speaker 5: opens up like that, and on third and seven he.

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Speaker 2: Goes, well, look at this though, there's.

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Speaker 5: A guy wide open over here, and he was the

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Speaker 5: only person that was allowed to do that.

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Speaker 2: That would be insane.

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Speaker 1: And if you arrive at then you know you're playing

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 7: So two Tua it seems like he lacks self awareness,

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Speaker 7: but you could almost assuredly say he knows how bad

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Speaker 7: things are going right now in.

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Speaker 2: Miami, of course.

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Speaker 7: And right now he's the cat that's just backed up

490
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Speaker 7: into the corner and he's got his claws out and

491
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Speaker 7: he has Cam Newton coming after him. This might be

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Speaker 7: an Auburn Alabama thing.

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Speaker 3: By the way, the iron ball, it could be.

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Speaker 7: We might have to consider that where it's like, I know,

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Speaker 7: I'm playing like shit right now. The last thing I

496
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Speaker 7: need is some Auburn quarterback to be coming at me

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Speaker 7: and reminding me how bad I am and how much

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Speaker 7: I'm making.

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Speaker 1: But don't you think two is aware of just how

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Speaker 1: bad he's playing, Like he's underperforming.

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Speaker 3: His kind.

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Speaker 1: Guys here every single week, and he's telling you just

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Speaker 1: how much to what cares about this.

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Speaker 3: Sport and cares about his teammates and wants to be

505
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Speaker 3: good and it's frustrated that he's not playing well.

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Speaker 4: We can't care about the sport.

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Speaker 6: And then dismiss an MVP for criticizing you like that's fair.

508
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Speaker 6: As a quarterback who wants to say all the right things,

509
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Speaker 6: even if you disagree, you would say out of all respect,

510
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Speaker 6: you know, I don't agree with Cam Newton.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I could look at the tape see what he's saying.

512
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Speaker 4: I could do something.

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Speaker 6: But you can't just summarily dismiss him with the argument that.

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Speaker 4: Quarterbacking is hard.

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Speaker 6: He knows, he knows it's the barrier of entry like

516
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Speaker 6: another quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know it's tough. I made it.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Now I'm criticizing you. You are not doing very well.

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Speaker 6: Accept it, accept it, and stop fighting back on the criticism.

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Speaker 4: But that's how you know he has seemed to operate.

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Speaker 5: It's also been It's also part of life as an

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Speaker 5: NFL quarterback. Tua is one of those people that has

523
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Speaker 5: been in public life since he threw that touchdown in

524
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Speaker 5: the National Championship Game. He has been a lightning rod

525
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Speaker 5: for conversation ever since. I'm sort of flabbergasted at this

526
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Speaker 5: idea that you do this very public job where you

527
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Speaker 5: are aware of all this criticism, and yet you're still

528
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Speaker 5: taking offence with this idea of being criticized.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand it for the life of me.

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Speaker 5: It'd be like me like going into the YouTube comments

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Speaker 5: on a game that I called someone the commentator ship.

532
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Speaker 5: How could you call a commentator shit when I know

533
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Speaker 5: that that's part of the job. Part of the job

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Speaker 5: is people are going to hate you as an announcer.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't sit here and rail unless you have the

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Speaker 5: microphone in your hands. Are you really a proper commentat No,

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Speaker 5: I don't. I don't do that Like that's like you

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Speaker 5: understand that that's a part of your life and your

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Speaker 5: job especially and to quote John Hammond mad Man, that's

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Speaker 5: what the money's for.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Now, would it hurt more or less if Joe

543
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Speaker 1: Buck was the one doing the criticizing.

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Speaker 5: Of you witty like with that, I would actually force

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Speaker 5: me to examine myself even more. Now, again, this is

546
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Speaker 5: not really an industry where, you know, we really criticize

547
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Speaker 5: very much amongst each other. I would say, that's kind

548
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Speaker 5: of more reserved to right, exactly, we do talk shit.

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Speaker 3: It's more reserved to sports radio talk show hosts.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I would say so.

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Speaker 5: But I also it's also reserved for private group chats,

552
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Speaker 5: so we talk shit about each other. But but it's

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Speaker 5: not really an industry where people you know, criticize each

554
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Speaker 5: other with But if Joe Buck came out and said, man,

555
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Speaker 5: this I was watching that messy game pool, he'd be

556
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Speaker 5: really screwed that call up and he gave his reasons,

557
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Speaker 5: so I'd be like, damn, I don't have to look

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Speaker 5: in the mirror and figure out what I was doing wrong?

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Speaker 2: Like what it would force me into self examination. I don't.

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Speaker 2: Maybe i'd get defensive. I don't. I don't have a

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Speaker 2: counterfactual for that, But.

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Speaker 5: I would hope that I would listen to it and go,

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Speaker 5: oh man, that's I should have done better.

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Speaker 3: There. For the record, Joe Bucks the nicest man on

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Speaker 3: the planet.

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Speaker 2: He would right for do that right.

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Speaker 5: And usually the only thing that happens is sort of

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Speaker 5: public praise of other broadcasters, like what Bob Costas did

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Speaker 5: for No Eagle this week, which is very nice, but

570
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Speaker 5: you know, that's generally what happens in this field.

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Speaker 7: We had Mike Greenberg on yesterday and he did a

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Speaker 7: Mount Rushmore of every sports franchise. Do you think a

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Speaker 7: broadcaster could be on a team's Mount Rushmore?

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Speaker 4: Real quick? Just say you're clear witty.

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Speaker 6: He didn't do every sports franchise is Mount Rushmore on

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Speaker 6: our show.

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Speaker 4: He wrote a book.

578
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Speaker 3: Because we only did half of them.

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Speaker 8: And just to point out he does have broadcasters on

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Speaker 8: certain teams mount.

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Speaker 1: Rushmore, so he has like Johnny Most I believe, and

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Speaker 1: maybe Cha Kern.

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Speaker 3: Scully.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Jim.

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Speaker 5: I think that's one that's one for me where I

586
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Speaker 5: think on the like for the Dodgers, Vin all time,

587
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Speaker 5: I think he's a baseball broadcasting Mount Rushmore. But the

588
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Speaker 5: Dodgers are a team with such a story history that

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Speaker 5: I do think it should be reserved to just players.

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Speaker 5: I think you have to be an exceptional, extraordinary broadcaster

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Speaker 5: on Frankly a team with not a lot of history

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Speaker 5: to to make you mount right exactly, Like like you're

593
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Speaker 5: not You're not You're not taking Bob Buker off for

594
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Speaker 5: Ryan Braun, you know, like you're like you makes the Brewers.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Vin Scully on a Major League Baseball Mount Rushmore

596
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Speaker 6: before I put him on a specific LA Dodgers Mount Rushmore.

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Speaker 3: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 7: Carry was on the Cubs one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But the Cubs have some history, man, I mean.

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Speaker 5: See history, crazy history. I think that and that I

601
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 5: do think is a little bit of us making broadcasters

602
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Speaker 5: making themselves seem more important than they are. And I

603
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Speaker 5: appreciate and I appreciate that broadcasters, like especially with baseball,

604
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Speaker 5: you're spending three hours a day, one hundred and sixty

605
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Speaker 5: two days a year with your broadcaster. If you think

606
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Speaker 5: about it, you very rarely spend four hundred and eighty

607
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Speaker 5: hours with anyone in your life.

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Speaker 2: So I get it. It's an important part of the experience.

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Speaker 5: But I don't think unless you are an exceptional broadcaster

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Speaker 5: with a team that does not have a history of

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Speaker 5: winning or great players, like I just don't. I think

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Speaker 5: the players come first, first and foremost.

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Speaker 3: Agreed.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but if you think of the Cubs, I think

615
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Speaker 8: of I think of Harry carry long before I think

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Speaker 8: of more than maybe two or three names.

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Speaker 1: Well, do you think or any Banks? You think Ryan Samberg,

618
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Speaker 1: and then you're getting to Harry Sarry.

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Speaker 8: Ronan, Yeah, probably maybe Sammy Sosa maybe because but yeah,

620
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Speaker 8: you think of Harry Carrey. He's the voice and he

621
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Speaker 8: and he transcends multiple generations as opposed.

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Speaker 6: To just like a Bartman before I think of other players.

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Speaker 7: We have to check what the Mount Rushmore was, because

624
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Speaker 7: it might be Ernie Banks, Ryan Samberg, Samy Sosa, Harry Carrey.

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Speaker 3: I think it was.

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Speaker 2: I can't think of a Ford, Andre Dawson, Carrie, would

627
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Speaker 2: Mark Bryer.

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Speaker 5: Now, now we're just getting into guys naming dudes, which

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Speaker 5: I'm more than happy to in this game.

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Speaker 2: Pubs all day with you if you want.

631
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Speaker 4: It's got to be at for the Cubs.

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Speaker 6: It's got to be a Mount Greg Moore, and you

633
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Speaker 6: just have to have Bartman sitting there with his headphones on.

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Speaker 5: Just by the way, we didn't mention do we mention

635
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Speaker 5: any cub that actually won the World Series?

636
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Speaker 3: Never did. That's the point.

637
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Speaker 2: Like Chris Bryant, I know he's not your favorite.

638
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Speaker 5: But Joe Madden, oh no, we're having won the Clubs

639
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 5: of World Series, the Cubs World.

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Speaker 3: He can't closer to preventing them from winning the World.

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Speaker 2: The next speech, they're in the rain delay. The speech

642
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 2: is why they won.

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00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, the speech.

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Speaker 7: And so I have Bartman on smart, I have Bartman

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Speaker 7: on the O L I for the Cubs Mount Rushmore.

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Speaker 1: But if I want your Cubs Mount Rushmore, Okay, I

647
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Speaker 1: like at the end of the segment, I want your.

648
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Speaker 3: Cubs Mount rushbo. We should all do a Cubs Mount

649
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Speaker 3: Rushmore at the same time.

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Speaker 7: But if a fan was to ever get in the

651
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Speaker 7: Mount Rushmore, I think the one with the best argument,

652
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Speaker 7: And if we're being honest, I hate him Fireman.

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Speaker 1: Ed Uh yeah, I would say that Bartman should probably

654
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Speaker 1: be in the Marlins Mount Rushmore.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Can we do a great.

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Speaker 6: Fans in general, like the four greatest fans of all

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Speaker 6: the time, That would be a good one.

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Speaker 3: Firemanhead, he's in it.

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Speaker 2: I hate Fireman d he's just successfully.

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you, Walter Katz is on that. He

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Speaker 3: is on my Mount rushboy.

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Speaker 1: Listen, there was a time no one was going to

664
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Speaker 1: Sunrise for Panther games except for Walter Katz.

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Speaker 3: That's it. He was the only guy there.

666
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Speaker 2: Jack Nicholson, Spike Lee, Yeah, yeah, I was.

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Speaker 5: Who's the Marlin guy that's always court sided at the

668
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Speaker 5: at the NBA games with the crazy fits.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh, what's his name?

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Speaker 4: Jimmy Goldstein.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Goldstein definitely a Mount Rushmore fan for me. I

672
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Speaker 2: walked past them. You have his number? I do call

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Speaker 2: him right now?

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Speaker 3: I'm not calling Why not?

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Speaker 2: Well, you suddenly discovered shame.

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Speaker 4: He's on the West Coast.

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Speaker 7: I walked past him during a Heat Knicks playoff game

678
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Speaker 7: and it was a jump scare.

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Speaker 2: I was scared when I saw him. Yeah, it does

680
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Speaker 2: kind of look like a ghost.

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Speaker 1: We had like a three week run where we were

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Speaker 1: having Jimmy Goldstein on our show all the time.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember that wedding?

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Speaker 5: I'm vague, yeah, vaguely was This probably would have been

685
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Speaker 5: during the Big Three era, right, Everything happened during the

686
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Speaker 5: Big Three era.

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Speaker 3: It was all it was.

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Speaker 1: It was all like we were doing this whole thing

689
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Speaker 1: to get Jimmy on, make him a friend of the show.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy could call his more famous friends and get them

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Speaker 1: to come on to the Jimmy Goldstein segment.

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Speaker 3: That's what it was that.

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Speaker 5: I mean that that does sound like a guest booking

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Speaker 5: Ponzi scheme that you would engineer.

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Speaker 3: I'm the greatest of all time.

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Speaker 6: There's a there used to be a guy, I don't

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Speaker 6: know if he was a Washington Bullets fan.

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Speaker 4: He had like big curly a white dude with a

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Speaker 4: big curly.

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Speaker 6: Afro, and he like used to have signs and do

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Speaker 6: some crazy shit on the sidelines. This is back when

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Speaker 6: the NBA was security wasn't great, uh, And that that

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Speaker 6: to me, I thought he would be like the fan

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Speaker 6: that I remember for the rest of my life, and

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Speaker 6: then I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what happened to remember his name so

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Speaker 5: clearly not aunt Rushmore fans.

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Speaker 6: Right, there's a dude in Indiana now that holds up

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Speaker 6: a bunch of signs and I'm like, wait a second,

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Speaker 6: is that the dude I was thinking of this whole time?

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Speaker 4: But no, it's totally different about Rushmore fans.

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Speaker 3: Who would your mouth is that?

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Speaker 5: The thing is that if you're famous enough to be

714
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Speaker 5: a famous fan, you're pretty annoying. You are, right, yes,

715
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 5: like Marley, like everyone hates Fireman Ed Marlin's man.

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Speaker 2: I think is a pretty low approval rating.

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Speaker 5: I would guess like if you're if you're at the

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Speaker 5: stage where people just know you for being the fan

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Speaker 5: that leads the chance of the fan that's bothering everyone

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Speaker 5: else into it standing up and does.

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Speaker 2: The come on Taylor to Spike Lee Count does that thing.

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00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 2: No one likes that guy.

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Speaker 6: Spike would have to be on that Hall of f

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Speaker 6: on that Mount Rush Marshy.

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Speaker 7: But I think it's almost a separate category celebrity fan

726
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 7: celebrity fan. The hate for Fireman ed. Let me clarify,

727
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 7: he quit on the Jets. People forget that.

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00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 3: Listen.

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00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: You can make the argument that the Jets quit on

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00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: him a long time ago.

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Speaker 8: First off, we all have quit on the Jets and

732
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 8: we've all been brought back, and you go through that.

733
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Speaker 3: He's part of it. Yeah, you go through that river

734
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 3: of ship and crawl out on the other side.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he makes him more authentic.

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Speaker 5: I think having quit gives him studs, gives him stronger

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Speaker 5: fan bona fides, having quit as as fan of the Jets.

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Speaker 4: Witty.

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Speaker 6: We were talking earlier about a couple of people, both

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Speaker 6: Dan Patrick and Tony Gonzalez, stealing Steve Goatt's take of

741
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 6: Russell Wilson playing his way out of the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 6: I'm just wondering what would be more jarring hearing your

743
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 6: take being stolen by Tony Gonzalez, which Stu Gotts didn't.

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Speaker 4: He didn't watch the game, at least not halftime. He

745
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Speaker 4: didn't get there.

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Speaker 1: But you guys played it back for me, and like

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm upset with Tony gonzoscar what I was

748
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Speaker 1: telling him real quickly.

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Speaker 4: Would that have been more jarring?

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Speaker 6: Or would have been more jarring if Tony Gonzalez says,

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Speaker 6: you know, I was listening to Stu Gotts, he said

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Speaker 6: this great take about Russell wil Time, I'm going to

753
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Speaker 6: steal here.

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Speaker 5: I also, to me, what this makes me think of

755
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 5: more is should there be a ledger somewhere of sports

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Speaker 5: takes Yes, where we know the first person that has

757
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 5: said everything yes, because otherwise, I mean, how how can

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00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 5: you come up with an original sports takes right? Exactly right,

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Speaker 5: exactly so the first time that you say that, maybe

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Speaker 5: Stu got some podcaster in Seattle said that before you.

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Speaker 1: Did, But yeah, sure you, no one did. I said

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Speaker 1: it back in twenty two. Those guys, you said it

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Speaker 1: like last night.

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Speaker 2: So this is a dangerous game you're playing.

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Speaker 8: Stu Gotts. This is for you especially, I mean, do

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Speaker 8: you really do you? Do you mean fund for every

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Speaker 8: one or two that maybe you got right? How many

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Speaker 8: did you?

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Speaker 3: I acknowledged, Witty.

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Speaker 1: The reason I was not upset with Dan Patrick is

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Speaker 1: I acknowledged, Okay, I have acknowledged that there probably was

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Speaker 1: a time where I was driving in or driving around,

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Speaker 1: and I heard something that Dan said or Pap said,

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Speaker 1: or seating or one of the dan Nets said. I

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Speaker 1: probably brought it on to our show. So I understand.

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Speaker 1: I'm not upset with Dan Patrick. But I have stolen nothing,

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00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: and I mean nothing you have done in print Tony

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Speaker 1: Gonzales steal that from me?

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00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 4: Do you not have anything one in prints?

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Speaker 3: Do you? Guys?

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Speaker 5: Do you think that there's a chance to that maybe

782
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 5: you stole this Russell Wilson take from someone else? Maybe

783
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 5: you're no chance, there's no chance, there's no chance that

784
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Speaker 5: you stole this take from someone else.

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Speaker 1: No, but but I do I understand your guys's larger point.

786
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Speaker 1: If we put a ledger, as you like to call it,

787
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Speaker 1: in place, then we have people snooping around him maybe

788
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Speaker 1: someone did say it before me.

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Speaker 5: You know, I just think it's impossible, with the infinite

790
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Speaker 5: amount of on the Internet for you to really have

791
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 5: full accountability for having stolen an opinion, because it's very

792
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 5: hard to come up with the original ones. Everyone's saying something.

793
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 5: So how is it possible that Tony Gonzalez thinks that

794
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 5: maybe he did hear that from someone else? But it's

795
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 5: like all of our brains are an amalgam of other

796
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 5: people's takes. There's so much out there. How could you

797
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 5: possibly have an original thought about sports? There's so many

798
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 5: people talking about sports. Where's the originality in any of it?

799
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Speaker 7: So I have the date that Stu Gotts sent that

800
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Speaker 7: or said that take. It was October twenty fifth, twenty

801
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Speaker 7: twenty two. So now what I'm going to do.

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Speaker 2: You have a ledger of all of Stu Gott's takes?

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00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: How did you find that.

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Speaker 1: File for the purposes of this conversation? So what you

805
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: need to do is go back before that date. Breathe

806
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: that date, and I'm gonna listen to what said. I'm

807
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: gonna listen to the Joe Rose Show and say he

808
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 1: would be the guy