WEBVTT - Short Stuff: The Number 23

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to these short stuff. I'm Josh, there's Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>there's Josh. But the three of us together, this is

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<v Speaker 1>short stuff. It's so short. Yeah, and we should mention that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Josh is in here with this guest producer.

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<v Speaker 1>And he asked what we're recording on and I said

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<v Speaker 1>the number twenty three, and he said, oh, I'm into that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, well, I apologize because I'm probably gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make fun of it a lot. That's funny. So, Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>then you're a is what they're called the number two,

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<v Speaker 1>the number three, the letter R, the letter D, the

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<v Speaker 1>letter I, the letter A, the letter N, and then

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<v Speaker 1>because there's more than one, the letter S. And we

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<v Speaker 1>know that's real because there's a Facebook page. Yeah. Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>basically legitimizes everything. So we're talking about the number twenty three. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently a lot of people put some stock into this number. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not just Josh. No, he's not the only one they made,

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<v Speaker 1>are he does two? They made a very bad Jim

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<v Speaker 1>Carrey movie called The Number twenty three. Did you see

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<v Speaker 1>it or are you just presuming it was bad? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>presuming it was bad from all the people that said

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<v Speaker 1>it's bad. I have never seen it, and I presumed

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<v Speaker 1>it was bad too, But I have gotten just desperate

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<v Speaker 1>enough on like Netflix and Amazon Prime to let's try it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so much good stuff out there, and you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>watch that? Is there? Oh? I don't know, does everything stink?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if everything stinks. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>say that, but I think I am at the number

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three level right now. All right, Okay, let's follow up.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to hear about it. All right, you got it?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? So the number twenty three, Um, you've seen

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<v Speaker 1>it on Michael Jordan's uniform. Uh. He picked it apparently

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<v Speaker 1>because that was as close as he could get to

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<v Speaker 1>half of forty six, which was his older brother's number.

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<v Speaker 1>I think his older brothers was would be exactly. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then of course since then, other people, um have

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<v Speaker 1>tried to emulate Michael, like Lebron and so the other

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three you see in basketball and even some other

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<v Speaker 1>sports sometimes or a tribute to Michael Jordan's. Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>David Beckham's twenty three when he went to Real Madrid

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<v Speaker 1>was an homage to Jordan's two. So yeah, Organs the first.

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<v Speaker 1>Every other twenty three was an homage to Jordan's which

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<v Speaker 1>is that's great, but that's not where the number twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three ends. Actually, that's not where the number twenty three started. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so well it did. It started elsewhere. Um, the

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<v Speaker 1>number twenty three has been with us for as long

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<v Speaker 1>as Arabic numerals have. But um, the obsession with the

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<v Speaker 1>number twenty three. They've tried to trace back as far

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<v Speaker 1>as they can. And there's actually a guy who came

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<v Speaker 1>up with a book, um that came out in two

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<v Speaker 1>This guy's got one of the better names of herd

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<v Speaker 1>in a while, Barnaby Rogerson. Yeah, and this book title

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<v Speaker 1>is just out of hand. Rogerson's Book of Numbers Colon

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<v Speaker 1>the Culture of Numbers hyphen from one thousand one Nights

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<v Speaker 1>to the Seven Wonders of the World. That's the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the title. It has a colon and a hyphen. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He should have ended that with a exclamation point, because

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<v Speaker 1>I think you have to when you say the seven

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<v Speaker 1>Wonders of the World. Yeah, I don't. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>anybody who says it like without an exclamation point. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So Barnaby Rogerson traces the obsession with the number twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three to a little writer that was drugged out named

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<v Speaker 1>william S Burrows. Yeah, the man who's shot a million

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<v Speaker 1>bucks in his arm, says Matt Dillon. Really was that

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<v Speaker 1>the thing? The quote? Yeah, it was from drug store Cowboy.

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<v Speaker 1>William S Burrows played an old aged heroin addict and

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<v Speaker 1>and Matt Dillon said he must have shot a million

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<v Speaker 1>bucks into that arm. So he watched that again instead

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<v Speaker 1>of the number twenty three. Okay, all right, you got it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's your assignment. Okay. So supposedly in nineteen sixty this

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<v Speaker 1>story has many many holes, but uh and probably because

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<v Speaker 1>of all the drugs. Burrows was in Tangier. Probably because

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<v Speaker 1>of the drugs, and said he met a sea captain

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<v Speaker 1>named Clark, not me, who said he had never been

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<v Speaker 1>in an accident in twenty three years. Later that day

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<v Speaker 1>Clark sank his ship and died. Which that'll that'll perk

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<v Speaker 1>your antennae up. And then supposedly later that same day,

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<v Speaker 1>that night, Burrows heard a radio story news story about

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<v Speaker 1>a flight twenty three that crashed in Florida, also piloted

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<v Speaker 1>by Captain Clark. This all sounds very interesting until you

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<v Speaker 1>realize that that didn't happen. Well, there was a flight

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three. I didn't see whether it was piloted by

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<v Speaker 1>Clark or not. So it's possibly heard a story, um,

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<v Speaker 1>from twenty seven years earlier. Yeah, but like maybe they

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<v Speaker 1>were recounting the story or something like that, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. Sure, And we also have to remember

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<v Speaker 1>again he's hopped up on Smack right either way, I

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<v Speaker 1>think Smack was just one of any at any given

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<v Speaker 1>time going through his bloodstream. But um, he is usually

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who is first credited with becoming obsessed with

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<v Speaker 1>the number twenty three. And he was you could say,

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<v Speaker 1>fairly influential in the underground scene in the sixties and

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<v Speaker 1>then into the seventies and so on. And one of

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<v Speaker 1>his friends was named Robert Anton Wilson, and Robert Anton

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson went on to co write, um, the very famous

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<v Speaker 1>Illuminatus trilogy. Have you ever read any of those? I haven't,

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<v Speaker 1>But that that's Josh's main interest. Okay, they're fascinating books,

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<v Speaker 1>they're wonderfully written, they're they're hilarious, they're engrossing, they're really interesting. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was friends with Burrows and so the number

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three is a major foundation of the Illuminatus trilogy,

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<v Speaker 1>which also draws from another kind of underground UM school

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<v Speaker 1>of thought. I guess that the in the sixties and

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<v Speaker 1>seventies UM which is called Discordianism, which is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like a made up parody religion that actually makes a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of sense, so much so that it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>blurs the lines between reality and non reality when you

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<v Speaker 1>when you look into it. And number twenty three is

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<v Speaker 1>a holy number for Discordianism. So if you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>take all that together, Discordingism, the Illuminatus trilogy, and William

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<v Speaker 1>S Burrows and put it all together, that seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be where the kind of cult like um awareness or

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<v Speaker 1>obsession with the number twenty three came from. All Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna take a break and we're gonna come

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<v Speaker 1>back and talk about more twenty three coincidences right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>So I should mention when I said that that's a

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<v Speaker 1>guest producer Josh's main interest, I didn't mean in life.

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<v Speaker 1>I just read as far as the number twenty three goes.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like, yeah, I read Robert Anton Wilson. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So I thought it might be fun just to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of tick through a bunch of the uh, the things

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<v Speaker 1>you might find on Facebook page, where people are like,

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<v Speaker 1>look man twenty three again. Uh. Darwin's Origin of the

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<v Speaker 1>Species was released in eighteen fifty nine. You add up one, eight, five,

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<v Speaker 1>and nine and you get twenty three. That's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the more interesting ones. Some of them are just pictures

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<v Speaker 1>of like a truck with the number twenty three on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like there it is again. Those are a little but

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<v Speaker 1>there are some, mister inter interesting coincidences that pop up

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<v Speaker 1>when you look around, Like Kurt Cobain. Um, he was

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<v Speaker 1>born in nineteen sixty seven, and if you add those up,

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to twenty three. He died in And if

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<v Speaker 1>you add those numbers up, they come to twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Okay, much more interesting than a truck with

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<v Speaker 1>the number twenty three on it, uh for sure. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>Conspiracy theorists will point to the nine eleven tragedy. You

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<v Speaker 1>add up nine eleven UM to zero, zero and one

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<v Speaker 1>and you get twenty three. That's a good one. Shakespeare

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<v Speaker 1>was born and died on the same day, April, but

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<v Speaker 1>years apart, obviously, Uh. Julius Caesar was supposedly, if you

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<v Speaker 1>look at detailed reports, stabbed three times. That's not bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I like this one. Um, there's one called the birthday paradox.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you heard about that? I did see that, and

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<v Speaker 1>after reading it four times and not fully on understanding it,

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<v Speaker 1>I just walked away in tears. It's it's really fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, we should do one just on that,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's actually too simple. So the birthday paradox is

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<v Speaker 1>where if you get twenty three people into a room,

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<v Speaker 1>you now have enough people to where there's a fifty

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<v Speaker 1>fifty chance that two of them are going to have

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<v Speaker 1>the same birthday, which makes zero sense. Since there's three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and sixty five days in a year, you would

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<v Speaker 1>think that you would need um that times two to

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<v Speaker 1>have a figure I guess three. But no, because paradox,

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<v Speaker 1>each of those twenty three people have the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>be compared to the other twenty two people. You get

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<v Speaker 1>a number way more than than twenty three, a number

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<v Speaker 1>of comparisons way more than twenty three, and it turns

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<v Speaker 1>out it's enough to have a fifty chance of having

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<v Speaker 1>the same birthday among two people. And has that been

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<v Speaker 1>proven out? Yeah, oh yeah, it's mathematic it's it's mathematical. Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very it's very well proven it's interesting once you

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<v Speaker 1>look into just the probabilities of your like, oh, it

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<v Speaker 1>makes way more sense. Okay. I took statistics in college. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>that was one of the maths that I took. I

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<v Speaker 1>took statistics, chuck on two twa times. Did you get

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<v Speaker 1>an F and F and a D? Finally, yes, the

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<v Speaker 1>last time I got a D because I had the

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<v Speaker 1>same instructor all three times, and last time she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>D just go just go away. Well, you're never going

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<v Speaker 1>to get this. Yeah, you and I were Liberal arts guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I was an English major and they before that class,

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<v Speaker 1>they actually had a math class called Math for Poets

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<v Speaker 1>was the nickname, and it was basically like the math

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<v Speaker 1>class all English majors took because it was very simple arithmetic,

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<v Speaker 1>not bad. Um, let's get back to a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three things. Oh yeah, Princess Leah Josh and the

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<v Speaker 1>very first Star Wars film is held in detention block

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<v Speaker 1>A A to three. Okay, And apparently in George Lucas's

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<v Speaker 1>first film th h X eleven thirty eight, there is

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<v Speaker 1>another twenty three in there, so some people might think

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<v Speaker 1>that was that was his little way of giving a

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<v Speaker 1>nod to that number. I would guess so, and George

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<v Speaker 1>Lucas wouldn't be the only person who's a famous UM

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty yeah. Famous. One of the most famous, uh

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<v Speaker 1>is John Nash, the guy who's the mathematician whose life

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<v Speaker 1>was dramatized in A Beautiful Mind, both the book and

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<v Speaker 1>the movie, which is a great movie if I remember correctly.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was obsessed with twenty the number twenty three. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>He said it was his favorite prime number. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>where the obsession ends. He also says that he or

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<v Speaker 1>he said that he appeared on the cover of Life

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<v Speaker 1>magazine once disguised as Pope John the three right and

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<v Speaker 1>Pope John the twenty three really did appear on Life magazine,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was him. John Nash was saying, well, that

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<v Speaker 1>was me. Yeah, I shouldn't laugh. Uh. In the Bible, um,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a book, the there is ah. I was

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<v Speaker 1>about to call it a chapter, but I guess they

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<v Speaker 1>aren't called that the Book of Numbers and the verses. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's numbers twenty three If you look that up, what

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<v Speaker 1>hath God wrought? That is also the very first message

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<v Speaker 1>sent by telegraph in code by Samuel morrise In. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you if you take all of this and you um,

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<v Speaker 1>you look at it a certain way, it becomes plain

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<v Speaker 1>that there's something very special about the number twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>If you look at it a different way, it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>plain that people have invested a lot of UM like

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<v Speaker 1>mystical significance to twenty three that isn't actually there, that

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<v Speaker 1>that it could be any other number, especially any other

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<v Speaker 1>number that is within UM one to thirty, because a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people ascribe dates, you know, significance to dates.

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<v Speaker 1>I should say John Nash died on the twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>of May in two thousand fifteen, and so that just

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<v Speaker 1>proves it to people who are is obviously twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>means something, but if it could also be fifteen or

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<v Speaker 1>seven or three. There's a lot of like numbers that

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<v Speaker 1>we ascribe a lot as significance too. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>ask a cognitive psychologist what's going on, they will just

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<v Speaker 1>basically say that our brains contain a mechanism for detecting patterns.

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<v Speaker 1>We search out patterns how we make sense of things.

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<v Speaker 1>It's how we save brain energy is finding patterns so

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<v Speaker 1>we can predict things and just make sense of the

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<v Speaker 1>world around us. And sometimes we force patterns onto things

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<v Speaker 1>that don't actually have any significance, that don't actually mean anything,

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<v Speaker 1>and that could be things like the number twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>popping up suddenly or randomly. Yeah, when you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the clock and it's eleven eleven and you make a

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<v Speaker 1>big deal about it, it's more likely that you just

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<v Speaker 1>don't make a big deal about every other time of

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<v Speaker 1>day that you look at the clock. Exactly, Chuck, I

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<v Speaker 1>got nothing else except for twenty three chromosomes. Hey, well

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