WEBVTT - Ep 104: Jacie Hoyt 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.760 Coaches need to coach, parents need a parent, officials need 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:09.680 to officiate, and just everyone's stay in their lane and 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:12.080 things will go pretty well. And I really believe that 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:14.600 because there's a lot more that goes into it than 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.800 just forty minutes of a game or whatever the parents 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:18.320 are seeing. 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:20.040 And I tell for players that all the time. 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:22.640 I mean, no one's going to understand what we're about 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:25.160 outside of this room, because we're the ones who are 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:26.120 in it every day. 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:28.320 This is the Reform Sports Project. 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:31.840 I'll podcast about restoring healthy balance and perspective in all 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:35.600 areas of sports through education and advocacy. 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We'll be sharing more with you soon. 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.560 Now enjoy today's episode with J. C. Hoyt, head women's 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:14.119 basketball coach at Oklahoma State University prior to taking over 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:15.200 the OSU program. 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:16.480 In March of twenty twenty. 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:19.320 Two, Coach Hoyt was named the twenty twenty Western Athletic 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:22.520 Conference Coach of the Year after coaching Kansas City to 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:26.120 their first regular season conference championship in program history. A 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:29.920 former multi sport athlete and collegiate basketball player at Wichita State, 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.039 jac and I discussed why she recruits players who have 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:36.560 a competitive spirit, why athletes who play multiple sports typically 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.280 have a higher ceiling for growth, and the value of 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.440 coaches telling players the truth. I just said to this 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:45.039 awesome coach, I'm like, thank you for not blowing the 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:47.720 whistle on me and like having me thrown in prison 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.920 for harassment. I've been shaking her down for the last year, 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:53.760 trying to get her come on. She's obviously in varian demand, 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.840 having a great starter to her career coming into her 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:59.960 second year as the head women's basketball coach at Oklahoma State. 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:02.680 JC Hoyt Coach, hoy thanks so much for hopping on. 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:04.960 Thank you, I'm excited to be with you. 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:06.920 Well, I appreciate it, and I want to start here 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.079 now that you're you know, you take over a big 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:12.040 time program, like was that something that you always had 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:13.960 your eye on to get to this, you know, continue 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:15.480 to progress because you've seen to move up the cult 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:16.519 of ranks pretty quickly. 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.400 Yeah, you know, I mean I think for me, I've 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.280 always just wanted to be the best that I can 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:27.560 be in anything, whether that's coaching or just other other 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:29.840 things in my life. But with coaching, you know, I 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:34.800 think just with that comes wanting to have opportunities. 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:35.440 To compete against the best. 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.799 And I wouldn't say that I was ever or it 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:42.080 was still not really someone who you know, is looking 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:45.600 for the next thing. But I did always know that 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.320 I wanted to be at the highest level possible eventually, 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.640 but it just happened a little faster than I maybe 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:53.680 thought originally. 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.520 Well, that's awesome. I love how you use the word compete. 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:58.120 You know. One of the things that I hear a 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.200 lot from college coaches. Doesn't matter the sport or does, 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.000 they love competitors. They love folks that want to get 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.120 in the fight, you know, want to be competitive doesn't 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:07.640 matter the sport. In fact, I often hear coaches say 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:10.720 they love to see kids play different sports because they 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.960 see them compete in different arenas, different settings. You know, 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:17.600 maybe a star in one particular sport, but maybe a 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.040 six man or you know, a role player in another, 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:22.240 and that brings down a different element. What is it 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.520 about the compete factor? How is that something that you see? 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.040 Let's say, if you're going to an AAU tournament, you're 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:30.320 on the recruiting trail, how can you tell, you know, 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.080 a young woman, young man, whatever is like an ultra competitor. 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:35.960 Well, I think it's just you know, you can tell 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.400 when someone is not happy if they're losing or you know, 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.480 I would even say if they're winning, just that will 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:46.000 and that desire to continue to get better and just 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.480 to play the same no matter what the score is. 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.640 I know that sometimes it is kind of corny or cliche, 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:53.160 but it really is true, you know. 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.400 I mean, if you're just competitive and you're just trying 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:57.560 to be the best that you can be and help 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:01.000 your team, you know, play at the highest level whatever 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:03.800 that looks like for you and your given team, I 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.840 think that you can just tell versus someone who maybe 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.160 is kind of going through the motions or not going 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:09.720 to give. 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.720 You know, full effort because of what the scoreboard says. 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.280 Is there a situation where, you know, for instance, let's 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.520 say a kid's not a starter, you know, a kit 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:20.760 comes into your program. Some when you recruit, they have 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:21.440 to work the around. 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.000 It's easy to fold in those situations. But at the 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.040 same time, is it intrinsic motivation. 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:28.000 Does it take a coach to really bring that out 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:30.120 of them or do you need to be somewhat And 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.240 when it comes to competition, does a lot of that 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:33.200 need to come from within? 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.239 Well, I think that the majority needs to come from within. 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:40.080 I just, you know, it's unrealistic to think that you're 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.600 always going to have a coach or someone in your 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:46.360 life that is, you know, helping bring that out of you. However, 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:51.160 I do think that even for the most intrinsically motivated people, 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:56.279 you know, it's just so beneficial to have those positive people, 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.240 whether they're coaches or you know, whatever their title is, 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:03.120 just you know, helping you understand that maybe there's more 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:03.520 in you. 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:05.400 And you might think that you've you. 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:07.280 Know, reached your peak, but you can just take a 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:10.480 one step further and continue to climb. So I think 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.040 it's a balance, but I do think that it's you. 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:13.960 Know, important. 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.960 I mean, I've learned, you know, I don't I don't 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:18.120 care how good a coach is. 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.720 You We've got to recruit kids who just. 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:24.800 Have that competitive spirit and that will to win, regardless 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:26.960 of whether we're in the room or or in the 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:27.880 gym with them or not. 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:30.760 So you were a you were a multi sport athlete, 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:32.760 you know, growing up. Obviously I read your bio and 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.000 saw in high school you were a standout basketball player 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.840 and you know, volleyball player. Was it all different sports 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:39.760 for you coming up through your youth, you know, for 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:41.720 your youth playing experience, it. 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.920 Was throughout high school, I was always a three sport athlete. 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:48.560 I also ran track and uh, you know just I 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:52.040 mean she played about every sport that was out there in. 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:54.440 The little towns that I lived in. But for sure 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.039 throughout high school, you know, just playing in those different sports. 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:59.400 I mean, I think I can look back on my 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.920 career and even my my coaching career now and just 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:07.840 see how beneficial those lessons were for me that you. 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:09.599 Know, maybe basketball couldn't always teach me. 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.880 I mean, track, for example, you know it's it's you 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:13.679 versus everyone. 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:15.480 I mean, no one's going to bail you out. You know, 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.560 you got to step up to the line and you. 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:22.200 Got to you got to compete on your own. Volleyball 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.279 is a sport that you know, has a lot. 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:25.360 Of different skill. 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:29.839 Sets and in different lessons with teamwork and training. So 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.920 I just think that whatever the sport is, that there's 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.839 a lot to be learned from those and I'm very 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.640 thankful for just the well rodded experience that I got 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:39.920 to have as an athlete. 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.800 Do you feel like, you know, in today's youth sports culture, 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.120 everything is year round. I mean, it doesn't matter you 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:46.880 know what sport it is, you can play it all 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:48.800 year long. In fact, in a lot of cases, I 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:50.840 hear parents tell me all the time like they're getting pulled, 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:54.080 you know, they're getting almost like you know, parents and kids, 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.599 even at really young ages, are almost being cornered like, hey, 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.280 it's either we need a year round commitment or you 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:00.719 got to go find another club. 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:01.120 You know. 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.720 Do you see that from your experience on the recruiting 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.000 trail over the last several years of your coaching career, 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:09.440 that it's more challenging to find multi sport athletes or 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.000 do you do you still see them and do you 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:14.480 have a preference when recruiting Without a. 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:18.000 Doubt, I definitely see exactly what you're referencing of, you know, 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:24.280 just the year round athletes and expectations from you know, others, 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.160 And I think that you know, to each their own. 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:28.880 I mean, I think that there are. 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:33.080 Benefits to doing both, but I think for me personally, 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.640 to be honest, I love it when an athlete that 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:38.640 we're recruiting is, you know, competing in. 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:40.680 Other sports outside of just basketball. 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:44.520 I think that, like I said earlier, just the different lessons. 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:47.840 You know, We've got a player on our team right 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:48.840 now that comes to mind. 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.440 Her timing to rebound. 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:54.480 And and to block shots is just probably the best 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:57.280 I've ever seen, and she would attribute that to her 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:00.800 volleyball playing days, you know. So I think that there's 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:03.200 a lot of different takeaways. But I also think that 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:07.800 when I'm recruiting a player that is involved in other sports, 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:11.080 I know that they still have a really high ceiling 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.880 and that they still can improve drastically once they do 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.280 commit to just playing basketball for us. And so I 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.040 always kind of feel like the ceiling is a little 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:21.880 bit higher maybe if you know they're involved in other 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:25.760 sports just because they haven't fully committed to basketball, and 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.160 you know, there's there's still some stones that are interned 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:30.960 with the game of basketball for them. 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:32.280 But I mean it's you. 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:33.800 Know, some of the best players in the world have 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.840 only played you know, one sport, and that's okay too. 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:39.960 But I definitely am not opposed to multi sport athletes. 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:40.839 I love that. 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.040 And it's funny because of that tug of war, that 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:45.719 push and pull and and parents are feeling. I mean, 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:49.000 it is a it's tough for sometimes for folks to navigate, 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:50.360 you know, what's the right answer? 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:51.280 What's the right answer? 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:53.440 A lot of that comes down to listening to your kid, 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:55.480 you know, using a little bit of common sense, because 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:56.880 there's a big you know push. 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:57.679 You hear about it. 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.440 With overuse injuries, and you've seen it and you see 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.800 in the NBA, you know, you're basically seeing players, you know, 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:07.199 being limited to minutes and such. And do you find that, 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:09.640 like the overuse injury piece of it, are you seeing 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.520 more and more injuries as a result of that. 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:13.960 I actually do see more injuries. 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:17.520 Now. I don't know that that's necessarily because they're only 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:20.800 playing one sport. I think that just the demand to 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:24.360 play a lot more is I mean, it's way more 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.560 than when I played, you know, just every single day 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.520 and multiple practices. 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:31.400 And games each day. 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:35.840 So I think it's more overuse, maybe in just the 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:37.280 amount that they're playing. 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:39.840 But I do think that, you. 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:41.600 Know, there is something to be said about just your 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.720 body kind of having to take the same hits and 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:45.640 you know, those same. 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:47.040 Movements day in and day out. 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:50.800 So I just I really try and caution our players 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:54.080 and even the players that we're recruiting, you know, just 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.720 to understand that there's got to be somewhat of a 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:00.360 balance there, and there's a fine line between you know, 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.839 pushing yourself and doing everything you can to be your best, 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.839 but also making sure that you're able to perform by 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:07.920 being healthy. 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:10.600 When we come back, coach Hoyt and I talk about 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:14.200 responding to failure and what that says about a person's character. 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:20.080 Welcome back. 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.120 Where we left off, Jasey and I were about to 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.800 discuss why she views herself as a truth teller and 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:28.440 the importance of coaches being honest with players. We try 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:31.400 to get as much info from college coaches and folks 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:33.120 that are out there because parents are trying, like I said, 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.520 trying to navigate this and help their kids get in 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.800 the best position. And I have heard from so many 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:41.800 coaches that they have been basically onto a kid like, man, 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:44.000 we like this kid, this player. I want to keep 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.400 an eye on them, and they'll go watch them at 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:49.360 a game and they'll see their parents acting a fool 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:51.520 in the stands, and it's almost like, man, I don't 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:53.400 know if I really want to bring that element into 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.160 my program. I mean, is that something that is real? 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.400 Like I've heard coaches tell me they recruit the family, 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.000 you know, when sometimes that's a that sucks for the kid. 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.400 But I mean I want parents to understand, like, is 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:07.240 their behavior is there over zealousness at times? Could it 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.400 hurt potentially during the recruiting process. 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:11.600 Well, no doubt about it. 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.560 You know, we talk as a staff about really trying 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:18.480 to vet out realistically, you know what that could look 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.520 like if a parent is maybe a little bit over 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:25.800 the top or overly involved or or critical. 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:26.120 You know. 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:29.080 I mean, I try and pay attention to how parents 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:31.360 don't just cheer for their own kid, but for the 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:33.720 other kids on the team, you know, and that to 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.839 me is competitive. I mean, if you want to talk 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.320 about winning and losing, it's like, you know, you got 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:41.520 to pay attention to do they really care about winning 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.679 and losing or do they care about you know, personal. 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.280 Gain and stats and in those type of things. And 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:48.040 so I do think. 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:52.520 You have to be cautious, and it is unfortunate when 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:57.240 players have parents that maybe don't understand that. And I think, really, 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.760 at the end of the day, you know, I've heard 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:02.240 it said, and I think it's so well said. 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:03.880 And I'm bringing officials into this. 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:07.439 But coaches need to coach, parents need to parent, officials 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.439 need to officiate, and just everyone's stay in their lane 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.720 and things will go pretty well. And I really believe 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:16.600 that because there's just, you know, there's a lot more 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:18.920 that goes into it than just that forty minutes of 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:22.200 a game or whatever the parents are seeing, you know. 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:24.559 And I tell our players that all the time. I mean, 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:28.040 no one's going to understand what we're about outside of 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.600 this room, because we're the ones who are in it 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:34.240 every day and fighting these battles and grinding together, and 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.320 not everyone is going to understand that. And sometimes those 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:39.280 people are the people that love you the most in 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:41.800 your life, and that's your parents. But I think it's 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.199 important just for parents to understand, you know, how they 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.840 can negatively affect their kids' experience while they're playing, and 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.720 then you know for sure their ability to be recruited. 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.240 And as far as like the communication piece, you know, 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:58.120 when you start contact with the potential recruit, I would 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:00.600 think that you'd want to build that relaylationship, right. 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:00.880 I know. 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.000 I just went through with my son, and the coaches 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.400 want to get as much contact as they can to 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:08.760 build the rapport to see what they're all about. And 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:11.720 if the parents responding to the emails or doing all 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:13.360 the texting, or when they go on a visit, they're 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:16.160 doing all the talking, give the kid the opportunity to 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.320 advocate for themselves, to speak like. 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:19.880 I guess it's easier so than that. 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.320 I have six kids, as many of the audience knows, 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:25.600 and I try my best to make sure that those 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.720 lessons are instilled at young ages. But how critical is 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:32.080 it because once they're on campus, I mean, parents aren't there, 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.760 so it's like, shouldn't we as parents or would you 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.760 advise for those parents to like, hey, let's get these 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:39.800 kids prepared to be able to stay on their own 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.959 two feet and handle themselves way ahead of the game. 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.120 So it's not hey, not only are we dealing with, 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:47.320 you know, being in a brand new program at a 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.000 large university, getting used to the whole college experience, the 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.400 whole college life, as well as being a student athlete, 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:53.680 and now we've got to figure out how to do 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:55.000 our laundry on our own or how. 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:56.360 To talk by ourselves. 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:58.840 Do you see a difference between kids who have that 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.800 experience or that comf versus those that don't when they 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:02.960 get on campus. 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:06.480 Well, I definitely see a difference just in their in 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:10.200 their confidence levels and their belief in themselves to you know, 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:14.400 just be dependent on themselves and not dependent on other people, 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:18.559 you know, whether that be their parents or their coaches or. 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:20.000 Whoever when they get to campus. 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:23.240 I mean just the ability to you know, have that 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:27.240 independence for yourself and the confidence that you can handle 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.560 your business and handle it on your own, and of 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.400 course you're always gonna have people there to help you. 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.760 But I do think that that makes a huge difference. 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:38.280 But it's also hard, and you know, I don't have 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:42.800 kids yet, but I also imagine that when that time comes, 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:44.840 you know, I'm gonna want to help them in every 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.600 single way possible and make sure that they're well taken 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:47.960 care of. 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.960 So I'm sure that that, you know, is hard to 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:52.400 kind of balance and. 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:54.480 Manage, but I do think that there's a great benefit 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.880 in you know, helping your kids to understand how to 0:14:58.000 --> 0:14:58.960 operate on their own. 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.360 I would imagine same would be said about failure. 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:03.520 I would imagine you're recruiting some of the best players 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:07.200 in the country. Do you like to see experiences maybe 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.600 that kid has has struggled, you know, where they had 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:11.920 to overcome some adversities. You know, they've had moments of 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:14.840 failure where they had to pick themselves up. Because I mean, really, 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:16.600 no matter how good you are, you're going to have 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.200 adjustment periods. And how you respond to that when you 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.600 get to that next level, whatever that level is, you know, 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:25.240 whether it's going from middle school to varsity, varsity to college, whatever, 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:29.200 there's a change, and how you're able to build resilience 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:31.640 through the struggles is really it's a light Like you 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.040 mentioned the lessons of life lessons, but how important is 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:35.560 it for parents to be able to say to their 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:39.200 kids or allow them to struggle and fail and learn 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:39.960 how to deal with it. 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.640 Well, I think that you know, you're not always going 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:43.520 to be able as a. 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.400 Coach to control, you know, for me recruiting, like, there 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:49.120 are some kids that you know, maybe haven't had to 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:53.040 experience that much failure, and then there are kids who 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:57.000 you know, maybe through an injury or just things that 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.960 are you know, out of their control have happened today. 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.640 And I think that in those cases where I have 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.320 seen them experience failure and failure, I mean, who hasn't 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:11.880 experienced it? Honestly, right, Like we're all going to experience 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:15.040 it on you know, a daily basis, whether that's just 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:18.600 maybe not you know, winning every game or you know, 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.360 making every shot. I mean, it's just a part of life, 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:23.560 and it's certainly a part of athletics. 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:27.200 And I always really like to see the kids. 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:30.240 That we're recruiting go through those different types of things, 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:31.000 whether it's. 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:34.800 You know, maybe a bad game or you know, an. 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.560 Injury, And not that we ever want anyone to experience 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:39.400 an injury, but you know, I think it just says 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.240 a lot about their character of how they're going to 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.800 respond in those moments. And I do believe that life 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:47.880 is all about responding to things and how you respond 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.120 to things, and so I think that there's a lot 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.800 to be said, you know about a person's character and grit, 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:57.680 you know, when when they experience those kind of hardships, 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.200 because it's it's not going to change, you know, it's 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.560 only going to continue to be a part of the 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:04.320 process in. 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:05.200 Whatever you're doing. 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:07.879 So I think it's really important just to see what 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:10.800 kids character looks like when those failures come. 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.280 All right, Coach hoy I can't thank you enough for 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.600 coming on here. There's a lot of student athletes, a 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.360 lot of parents. They're going to hear this, and these 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:20.720 kids they want to know what they need to do 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:21.920 to get on J. C. 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:22.800 Hoyt's radar. 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.040 They want to come play at Oklahoma State or play 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.680 in college at some level. Right, not everyone can play 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:29.560 for you or at that level, but they there is 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:31.480 a lext level for them. They want to know the 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:33.439 best way to get on the radar. How can they 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.480 start getting recruited. What's the best way to get on 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:36.800 somebody's radar, like yourself. 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:40.520 The biggest thing is just you know, obviously, like you 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:42.840 got to put the work in and once you do that, 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.120