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Speaker 4: Now enjoy today's episode with J. C. Hoyt, head women's

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Speaker 4: They want to come play at Oklahoma State or play

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Speaker 2: So my biggest thing is just to work hard and

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Speaker 4: I cannot thank you enough. I wish you the best

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Speaker 4: of luck this season. Keep kicking, but love following you

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm on both Twitter and Instagram and my handles

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Speaker 4: Coach juc perfect, Well, go follow coach JC. Can't thank

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Speaker 4: you enough for coming on and sharing. Coach really appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: That's j C.

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